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Those that say Zane was a skinny swimmers build with abs may have never seen him at his best.
Here he is winning his 3rd Olympia in 1979 at his all time biggest and best.
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awesome physique!
steroids only.... real muscle...
imagine him with today's drugs... would blow phil , jay, anybody of the stage!
but i actually prefer this look, not the balloon look.
with this look, you look like a bodybuilder, and also still get the pussy! 8)
no real woman wants a marcus ruhl for example.... lol!
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you want to be bodybuilder ^^^
thats how you do ti friends...only then you got the right and wonnnn the right to get on insulina,, ONLY THEN!
the jokes now ,, lol that kids kuklo the kid and that delaroza kid lol they simply dont have MUSCLE ,, it is just blown up beef more gh more inulina more gh more insulina,,
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you want to be bodybuilder ^^^
thats how you do ti friends...only then you got the right and wonnnn the right to get on insulina,, ONLY THEN!
the jokes now ,, lol that kids kuklo the kid and that delaroza kid lol they simply dont have MUSCLE ,, it is just blown up beef more gh more inulina more gh more insulina,,
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CAN Y0U EXPLAIN WHAT Y0U MEAN BY FAKE MUSCLE AND BL0WN UP FR0M GH AND INSULIN? ISNT' IT MUSCLE N0 MATTER?
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yes i can ,,
the muscle caused by abuse of gh and insulina ,, is like rubber made condom ,, you take a rubber made condom ,, go buy one in walmart..fill id up with water...then touch it ...this is what gh and insulina and seo does to muscle...its nto real ,, it is blown up from within ,, yes you can be lean and low bodyfat ,,because the damn fat is from within the muscle,,
the gains from hgh and insulina are lost so fast that really if youre not up to par with the gh usage atleast every 6 months period ....you will lose size very fast,, LEAN size...yes you will look like the coach ...220 with 3 and a half abdominals all bloofy and happy ,, but! will it be lean size? hell no it wont ,, it will be weight but far less lean size,,
no gh and insulina at all = freak factor is gone,,thats when you see who truly is a bodybuilder! only then you see what bodybuild is truly made off...i can garentee to you that all the kuklo the kids and the delarozas and the other balonies would be sitting 180-200 at max on stage! with out hgh and insulina
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Sad, sad state of affairs. Studies on Insulin and GH in muscle tissue were being done years ago, consequently, they say the same thing Gh15 is saying: The muscle had a watery, soft, non-fibrous content.
When compared to real muscle fibers, well, they were like day and night.
Best bet is to do your homework, and then put in the blood, sweat, tears, time and commitment. Problem is; nobody wants to work, they all want the EZ way.
"Can't you just give me a pill?"
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yes i can ,,
the muscle caused by abuse of gh and insulina ,, is like rubber made condom ,, you take a rubber made condom ,, go buy one in walmart..fill id up with water...then touch it ...this is what gh and insulina and seo does to muscle...its nto real ,, it is blown up from within ,, yes you can be lean and low bodyfat ,,because the damn fat is from within the muscle,,
the gains from hgh and insulina are lost so fast that really if youre not up to par with the gh usage atleast every 6 months period ....you will lose size very fast,, LEAN size...yes you will look like the coach ...220 with 3 and a half abdominals all bloofy and happy ,, but! will it be lean size? hell no it wont ,, it will be weight but far less lean size,,
no gh and insulina at all = freak factor is gone,,thats when you see who truly is a bodybuilder! only then you see what bodybuild is truly made off...i can garentee to you that all the kuklo the kids and the delarozas and the other balonies would be sitting 180-200 at max on stage! with out hgh and insulina
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look at this pic!
it is ed van amsterdam about 3 months of megadosing.
at the beginning of this year he was still huge and in shape, and this pic was at the fibo THIS year!
THIS is what WILL happen to every pro that reduces dosing to gymrat doses.
there is also a buddy of your's in the pic gh15.. lolol!
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oh yeah, i meant off of megadosing for 3 months.. or even less... but 2 or 3 months...
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yes i can ,,
the muscle caused by abuse of gh and insulina ,, is like rubber made condom ,, you take a rubber made condom ,, go buy one in walmart..fill id up with water...then touch it ...this is what gh and insulina and seo does to muscle...its nto real ,, it is blown up from within ,, yes you can be lean and low bodyfat ,,because the damn fat is from within the muscle,,
the gains from hgh and insulina are lost so fast that really if youre not up to par with the gh usage atleast every 6 months period ....you will lose size very fast,, LEAN size...yes you will look like the coach ...220 with 3 and a half abdominals all bloofy and happy ,, but! will it be lean size? hell no it wont ,, it will be weight but far less lean size,,
no gh and insulina at all = freak factor is gone,,thats when you see who truly is a bodybuilder! only then you see what bodybuild is truly made off...i can garentee to you that all the kuklo the kids and the delarozas and the other balonies would be sitting 180-200 at max on stage! with out hgh and insulina
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Hmmm, intersting stuff there GH15 on how insulin and hgh cause one to "blow up" but lose muscle quality. Good post.
FYI, I think Zane's look is pretty ideal and don't think blown up freaks help the sport of bodybuilding.
I am fine with moderate drug use and a classic look on stage.
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awesome physique!
steroids only.... real muscle...
imagine him with today's drugs... would blow phil , jay, anybody of the stage!
but i actually prefer this look, not the balloon look.
with this look, you look like a bodybuilder, and also still get the pussy! 8)
no real woman wants a marcus ruhl for example.... lol!
Ya gotta remember that this was 1979 , 32 yrs ago!
Over that time the drugs got more exotic and the pro physiques got bigger and more freaky to win.
THAT ruined female bodybuilding and may hvae ended TV coverage for male pro BB?
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Ya gotta remember that this was 1979 , 32 yrs ago!
Over that time the drugs got more exotic and the pro physiques got bigger and more freaky to win.
THAT ruined female bodybuilding and may hvae ended TV coverage for male pro BB?
agreed howard... bigger and freakier... but not better!
32 years ago.. man! bb HAS gone backwards...
that is why i think the physique devision will save bb.... a body like zane will win competions like that...
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agreed howard... bigger and freakier... but not better!
32 years ago.. man! bb HAS gone backwards...
that is why i think the physique devision will save bb.... a body like zane will win competions like that...
Maybe, but as for now it's just another "best beach body" competition.
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you want to be bodybuilder ^^^
thats how you do ti friends...only then you got the right and wonnnn the right to get on insulina,, ONLY THEN!
the jokes now ,, lol that kids kuklo the kid and that delaroza kid lol they simply dont have MUSCLE ,, it is just blown up beef more gh more inulina more gh more insulina,,
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gh15, What would Frank Zane's stack be- I think he was competing before GH came out, but his last contest was 1983 I believe.
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agreed howard... bigger and freakier... but not better!
32 years ago.. man! bb HAS gone backwards...
that is why i think the physique devision will save bb.... a body like zane will win competions like that...
Male physique division (MPD) is not an new classic physique form of bodybuilding.
They don't flex or do any poses on stage, nor do they display their legs, etc
It is simply a male version of bikini , no more, no less. It is a fit looking guy with sex appeal pageant...period.
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gh15, What would Frank Zane's stack be- I think he was competing before GH came out, but his last contest was 1983 I believe.
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dude.... think!
everything that is around today was around back then!
except sth and peptides , and they were not using slin yet....
hgh cadaver was around, but only used by a few... arnold did, but one of the few...
he was a walking pharmacy , like everybody else....
they named him the Chemist for a reason.... ;D
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The nickname "the chemist" actually came from him mixing various workout and recovery drinks when training at the original Golds .
I seriously doubt anyone used any cadaver HGH back then as it was quite rare and near impossible to get in decent amounts even if you could afford it. I suspect he used the typical steroids and diuretics ( pre contest) that were popular in the 70's.
Zane's hallmark was never size obviously but he won by being ripped to the bone with ideal shape and unique posing.
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The nickname "the chemist" actually came from him mixing various workout and recovery drinks when training at the original Golds .
You read to much muscle builder/flex Howie :D - thats what was said in print but he got the name from the diff drug combos - he taught Arnold how to use properly and what drugs to use pre contest.
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You read to much muscle builder/flex Howie :D - thats what was said in print but he got the name from the diff drug combos - he taught Arnold how to use properly and what drugs to use pre contest.
finally somebody that knows lol!!!
he was a very very smart fella!
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Male physique division (MPD) is not an new classic physique form of bodybuilding.
They don't flex or do any poses on stage, nor do they display their legs, etc
It is simply a male version of bikini , no more, no less. It is a fit looking guy with sex appeal pageant...period.
there are guys that compete in male physique that could easily win a local bb show! period..
just because you do not see their legs does not mean they do not have good legs.
and yes a shame they do not pose a little.... should at least have some poses...
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there are guys that compete in male physique that could easily win a local bb show! period..
just because you do not see their legs does not mean they do not have good legs.
and yes a shame they do not pose a little.... should at least have some poses...
I never said that the best MPD guys didn't have lean , ripped bodies.
They don't do any bodybuilding poses and wear boardshorts, thus it is clearley meant to be JUDGED as a beach body swimsuit pageant.
It has very little to do with an actual BOODYBUILDING contest. See the difference?
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Obviously he used the most effective drugs of the day, no shit!
I got my info firsthand from Ken Sprague Sr who owned GOLDS back in the 70's when Zane trained there.
Of course getting info from various web forums is better then those that were actually there, sorry, what was I thinking. ::)
Awww so a bit of truth hurts your feelings - Ken Sprague wouldnt happen to be selling those workout drinks etc would he :D - and who were you at the time ? a wet behind the ears kid who was enthusiastic and wanting to be like your hero ? of course Sprague is going to tell you about zane and drugs isn't he ::) how many of the supplements did you buy from them ? you are so gullible Howie - I dont mean that in a bad way but you seem to beleive everything that these guys say - BB and the industry that surrounds it is built on lies and deception - open your eyes fella.
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There's a hole in "gh15's" little therory.....I've never even so much have touched GH or insulin. My use GH in the futuren but unlike GH15 I know the cause and effects of insulin on metabolic pathways as it effects most bodily systems. I have a family, they don't need me fucking up my health to simply look pretty.
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There's a hole in "gh15's" little therory.....I've never even so much have touched GH or insulin. My use GH in the futuren but unlike GH15 I know the cause and effects of insulin on metabolic pathways as it effects most bodily systems. I have a family, they don't need me fucking up my health to simply look pretty.
you already fucked your health ,, you are a liar! ,, you can nto be bodybuild anymore because you fucked your health,, your blood pressure was constantly high,, you look very sick last competition ,, you just a none responder in general ,, average responder but you tried too hard to get to the top and failed,,
for you to say here you didnt use hgh is spit in the face of getbiggers and pupils of mine around the world ,, you have the skin thickness of gh user ,, you hav ethe skin thickness of testosterona user,, you have the shine through and mongol face of testosterona consistant user,, along with other aas and hgh ,, you also used insulina and not 2 units,, you didn go 150iu a day like some of us go,, but you used good base of it ,,
you could nto achieve what many of us did and thats how you came to hate bodybuilding
by one look at you i can tell exactly what you been on and for how long,, you are a consistant user,, you used and still to this day use,, you also are getting it on internet,, shut your pie hole if you want to continue to get it because you are getting on my nerves ,,
and stop lieing to those kidos,, your health already been ruined long long ago,, not in the last few years,, you chose the path of bodybuild with out getting the results you wanted thus never became a pro and thats why you hate bodybuild,,
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and! the thickness of twsiter skin has nothing to do with age,, it has to do with hgh testosterona and constant hormoneal usage,, many his age have paper thin skin ,, his problem is that he like good food....he went up and down in weight liek a mother fucker out of hell ,, he didnt have the right dose of hgh to go along with the insulina and aas...mainly aas,, he created this skin thickness,, it wasnt this way in the past,, it happened from years upon years upon 10 years and then 20 and then 30 years of hormone usage
he is a TWISTER OF TRUTH
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I never said that the best MPD guys didn't have lean , ripped bodies.
They don't do any bodybuilding poses and wear boardshorts, thus it is clearley meant to be JUDGED as a beach body swimsuit pageant.
It has very little to do with an actual BOODYBUILDING contest. See the difference?
i said they do not pose.. and that that was a shame... didn't i... read my post again please.
you said it was a fit looking guy with sex appeal peagant....
i disagree, real good and decent looking bodies there.. that look a lot like the 80's physiques...
i never mentioned the posing part.... i said the look....
i agree with you on the posing part....
oh and about frank, franky has to take thyroid meds for the rest of his life...took conditioning to extremes in his day!
he WAS called the chemist because of his ability to get shredded beyond what everybody had seen before...he knew how to use thyroid meds and diuretics like nobody in that time!
also steroid combo's to get shredded... zane was a pioneer , doesnt get the credit he deserves.
also had a degree in science i believe, but it was his knowledge on ergogenic supplements that gave him his nickname...
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LOL @ GH15. Doc took me off all meds last month with a clean bill of health....you have your head so far up your ass you could still see what you had for dinner from the privious night. You get more and more exposed every time you make an attempt to type. LOL.
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*GH15 frantically typing away thinking of a response* lol
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the doc didnt take off anything,, the doc looked at you chekced you and determine you are in ok enough condition to pass,, same as fellas with liver cancers are in and out of er...and stil in gym pumping hormones into the blood,,ask many locals and past national competiters around you .....same as felals who had kidny fucked still on hormones just a minute after they get kidny transplent ,,same as fellas who right there with the dialasis do testosterona....with one kidny functioing properly ,,
you are not! ok you think you are ok ,, you are a scared little church boy that is afraid of his own shadow,,, you are not ok ,,since when bodybuild listen to docs? since when docs know anything about hormones ? they dont,, they look at you check for the papaer machine results and go by guidlines,, that means nothing! and we have seen it million times in the past,,
you are not ok ....and the fact you dont abuse as you once was...doesnt mean you are ok ,, your body pulls it ...till when? only time will tell ,, i dont want you to drop dead like onlyme...so no i dont predict your death ,, but i can assure you ...from looking at you last competition YOU ARE NOT! ok
also over all when i actualy know in reality what you took i can assure you you are not ok ,,you should have really stopped balonie when you failed back in the 70s early 80s ...but as we all know bodybuild = hormones and no one stop nothing
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*GH15 frantically typing away thinking of a response* lol
i just dont like your lies,, we had enough of your lies on getbig,, you are disgrace to your profession and to highschool kids around americana ,, you are a drug user that work in highschools in americana ...you know what it means right? just get back to your cave and talk about your 7th wife
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i just dont like your lies,, we had enough of your lies on getbig,, you are disgrace to your profession and to highschool kids around americana ,, you are a drug user that work in highschools in americana ...you know what it means right? just get back to your cave and talk about your 7th wife
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gh...... anybody with a brain can see right thrue the lies of the dwarf.... relax... you did your job! lol!
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Hahaha, I'll tell you what Jr. You can start to address me again when you actually learn something. Go find one of your little minions to suck your dick. Until till we meet and you prove you actually train (and can keep up) then you may address me. Until you can prove yourself, I own your ass in everyway.
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The MPD guys don't compete as bodybuilders and the adding of the division has NOTHING to do with the promotion of actual BODYBUILDING, end of story.
Zane was well known for being smart and useing the best methods and stuff at that time to get ripped. The name the chemsit was a joke to make fun of him by the guys at GOLDs. Two different things.I got my info firsthand from the guy who was there and started calling him that.
these guys built their bodies.... so that makes them what? BODYBUILDERS!
and i will give zane a rest... ;D you seem to know for sure what the name the CHEMIST means... pre and post workout shakes.... ::)
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Anyone who thinks I'm lying feel free to contact me.....we'll train. Any takers?
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the problem is i been there....you havent,, you cant own ass who been to the top of the mountain while you kicked dirt tried to climb on it and fell before you got to the 10 meter mark ....
know what im saying? you are a wanna be ,, a wanna be who feel the need to lie about his hormone usage inorder to make himself feel better for his under achievments...
shame on you
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I feel bad for him honestly. Either the dude is not all there in the head or he just likes getting a reaction out of gh15.
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dude.... think!
everything that is around today was around back then!
except sth and peptides , and they were not using slin yet....
hgh cadaver was around, but only used by a few... arnold did, but one of the few...
he was a walking pharmacy , like everybody else....
they named him the Chemist for a reason.... ;D
Let us let this expert settle the dispute once and for all.
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the problem is i been there....you havent,, you cant own ass who been to the top of the mountain while you kicked dirt tried to climb on it and fell before you got to the 10 meter mark ....
know what im saying? you are a wanna be ,, a wanna be who feel the need to lie about his hormone usage inorder to make himself feel better for his under achievments...
shame on you
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LOL....I've got news for you son, you haven't been anywhere until you prove it. Integrity is worth more than cash itself, until you prove who you THINK you are, you're broke as a mother fucker.
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you are a FRASTRATED failed bodybuilder,, this is what you are,, i will prove anything you want when you prove 590 lb press ....you lie to those kidos every single day you are here,, you are shamless creature,, your wives even ran away from you ,,
the only thing they learn from you is how to curse,, how to get mad,, how to be childish 55 year old,, and how to fail in marriage....
son ::)
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you are a FRASTRATED failed bodybuilder,, this is what you are,, i will prove anything you want when you prove 590 lb press ....you lie to those kidos every single day you are here,, you are shamless creature,, your wives even ran away from you ,,
the only thing they learn from you is how to curse,, how to get mad,, how to be childish 55 year old,, and how to fail in marriage....
son ::)
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What kind of press stupid...be specific.
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Ok so that was a no go on my JFK question? I was wondering if you knew who/what really crashed at Roswell in 1947?
he's googling as we speak.
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your lie 590 or how ever that was that my pupils said you told them you done bench press,, ofcourse it is balonie but put it here insted of cursing right and left,, dont you see that you are so call melting down getbig fashion from anything i say ,, you come off as a joke to the fellas here,, you anwer with curses every post lol this is the stronest sign when someone is lie and and frastrated about being cought ....curss curss curss
then again you are on hormones....so its understood some cant tolerate some compounds well ...
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googling what? i dont use googole i use yahoo and every pupil know it ,, i never lie period ,, read the all bible no lies everything i say is how i live life,, im eating right now penut butter rieses icecream with a fork i used to eat my sushi meal just 30 min ago,, and i enjoy reading your stupidity ...in about 20 min i go watch horror movie that an elf got me
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you are a FRASTRATED failed bodybuilder,, this is what you are,, i will prove anything you want when you prove 590 lb press ....you lie to those kidos every single day you are here,, you are shamless creature,, your wives even ran away from you ,,
the only thing they learn from you is how to curse,, how to get mad,, how to be childish 55 year old,, and how to fail in marriage....
son ::)
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Lets pretend for one minute you are DJ or Nasser. if you're either one of these people you MUST realize I'm only a couple of years older than you AT THE MOST...right? This is the thing...if you knew that I guaranty you wouldn't be saying anything about my age..right? That being said whats the conclusion here? You're really a 20 something year old gimmick or your multiple gimmicks who can't keep your stories straight.
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your lie 590 or how ever that was that my pupils said you told them you done bench press,, ofcourse it is balonie but put it here insted of cursing right and left,, dont you see that you are so call melting down getbig fashion from anything i say ,, you come off as a joke to the fellas here,, you anwer with curses every post lol this is the stronest sign when someone is lie and and frastrated about being cought ....curss curss curss
then again you are on hormones....so its understood some cant tolerate some compounds well ...
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I never said said 590 dumbshit. Keep going and dig yourself even deeper.
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gh15 if im 6ft what measurements can i aim for to be similar to zanes build and measurements.... and what would it consist of , test prop, mast, eq and tren? im running test nd mast for a month now and its working great and i feel healthy. ( oh and to add to all the tools on here, i do have "good" genetics and response so stfu about muscle bellies and all that bullshit check my pic i was still natural in it.)
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twister ,, you got 15 min to play with me ,, after that your time is up foro the day ,, you lie to thsoe kidos,, if you can still think gh15 is a gimick then you not only suffering from a lieing deasease but also suffer from severe mental retardation,,
if you can thikn the fella behind the computer is 20 somthing....god will help you ,, you believe in god right twister? pray to him to help you my friend
you curse a lot too,, imrpove on that ...learn to be humble!
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gh15 if im 6ft what measurements can i aim for to be similar to zanes build and measurements.... and what would it consist of , test prop, mast, eq and tren? im running test nd mast for a month now and its working great and i feel healthy. ( oh and to add to all the tools on here, i do have "good" genetics and response so stfu about muscle bellies and all that bullshit check my pic i was still natural in it.)
205lb 4%
anything thast gets you there can be many combos ,, trenbolona ace propioneta or sustanona,,equipona/nppiona masterona,, gh will be good too at sinlge digit dose ,,will increase process speed and let you eat much more normal
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i forgot diuretic ,, a must for frank zane condition
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i forgot diuretic ,, a must for frank zane condition
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yes, something you havent spoke about much? lol i know you prefer diazide and aldactone but how long do u run diuretics for 2-3 days before comp or beach time? lol how does it work... 50mgs morning and noon or what.. i dont wanna fry my kidneys cuz not one #### i know in real life has any clue how to use water pills thats y they never achieve world class condition. oh and thx for ur advice .... fuk all ur haters, there all lame, failures and pissed they didnt have ur guidance when they were shooting deca and test cyp poppin dbols at 12 percent.
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i forgot diuretic ,, a must for frank zane condition
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True . But seriously what diuretic do you think he used back then? I have no idea myself. Just curious
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yes, something you havent spoke about much? lol i know you prefer diazide and aldactone but how long do u run diuretics for 2-3 days before comp or beach time? lol how does it work... 50mgs morning and noon or what.. i dont wanna fry my kidneys cuz not one #### i know in real life has any clue how to use water pills thats y they never achieve world class condition.
let's say you have a show sunday...
thursday night half to one pil of diazide or aldactazide...
fryday morning half to 1 pil, midday as well and evening.... same saturday....
drink normal... fryday evening less and saturday minimal, sunday drink nothing... sunday depends on how you look, start with 1 pil in the morning... and go from there do not overdo it...
and the days before thursday when you start you should have drank a lot! and also loaded some sodium...
that is what i did when competing...
to just look good for the beach.... just take a pil morning, midday see where that gets you....
still to watery... take one in the evening as well.... drink normal.... sodium normal, no need for potassium!!!!!
2 or 3 days max.. you should be beach ready.... lol...
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True . But seriously what diuretic do you think he used back then? I have no idea myself. Just curious
well according to your world forest lol its all b6...this is what frank used to joke with me about when no one listened back when i ws a liar like twister,, we used to say b6 lol it was our accuse to everyone about anything lol i used this excuse too i learned from him lol but....
the reality of the matter is diff...
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let's say you have a show sunday...
thursday night half to one pil of diazide or aldactazide...
fryday morning half to 1 pil, midday as well and evening.... same saturday....
drink normal... fryday evening less and saturday minimal, sunday drink nothing... sunday depends on how you look, start with 1 pil in the morning... and go from there do not overdo it...
and the days before thursday when you start you should have drank a lot! and also loaded some sodium...
that is what i did when competing...
to just look good for the beach.... just take a pil morning, midday see where that gets you....
still to watery... take one in the evening as well.... drink normal.... sodium normal, no need for potassium!!!!!
2 or 3 days max.. you should be beach ready.... lol...
Intersting post there. I never used any diuretic as I was too scared of the side effeects being a big pussy and all hehehe
On a serious note I have been to see a relative that was hospitlized for kidney issues and after seeing that would never use one. Just my thing but thanks for the informative post even if was directed at another poster.
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Lets pretend for one minute you are DJ or Nasser. if you're either one of these people you MUST realize I'm only a couple of years older than you AT THE MOST...right? This is the thing...if you knew that I guaranty you wouldn't be saying anything about my age..right? That being said whats the conclusion here? You're really a 20 something year old gimmick or your multiple gimmicks who can't keep your stories straight.
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Intersting post there. I never used any diuretic as I was too scared of the side effeects being a big pussy and all hehehe
On a serious note I have been to see a relative that was hospitlized for kidney issues and after seeing that would never use one. Just my thing but thanks for the informative post even if was directed at another poster.
lol at being a pussy! hahaha
really diazide and aldactazide are not THAT dangerous, postassium sparing.. so easy to use....
it's lasix that fucks bb up!
pills are the worst.. lasix needs to be injected in the vein.... :-X
i have seen guys use it and in a matter of a few hours loose about 15 pounds of water! very freaky to see!
this particular individual was doing a guestposing...
turned from bloated to shredded in a few hours! not healthy, but very impressive...
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lol at being a pussy! hahaha
really diazide and aldactazide are not THAT dangerous, postassium sparing.. so easy to use....
it's lasix that fucks bb up!
pills are the worst.. lasix needs to be injected in the vein.... :-X
i have seen guys use it and in a matter of a few hours loose about 15 pounds of water! very freaky to see!
this particular individual was doing a guestposing...
turned from bloated to shredded in a few hours! not healthy, but very impressive...
Thanks for the informative reply and it sounds about right.
I always figured why bother doing anything too extreme as I was always going to be Joe Blow Mr Podunk so why bother, seriously .
I'm 52 NOW and not too screwed up from my yrs as a serious bodybuilder so wtf?!
Like the honey badger I don't give a fuk hehe
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Anyone who thinks I'm lying feel free to contact me.....we'll train and do some cardio, Any takers?
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let's say you have a show sunday...
thursday night half to one pil of diazide or aldactazide...
fryday morning half to 1 pil, midday as well and evening.... same saturday....
drink normal... fryday evening less and saturday minimal, sunday drink nothing... sunday depends on how you look, start with 1 pil in the morning... and go from there do not overdo it...
and the days before thursday when you start you should have drank a lot! and also loaded some sodium...
that is what i did when competing...
to just look good for the beach.... just take a pil morning, midday see where that gets you....
still to watery... take one in the evening as well.... drink normal.... sodium normal, no need for potassium!!!!!
2 or 3 days max.. you should be beach ready.... lol..
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Cool friend. Thanks for advice. So basically if not doin a show u can still drink water normally. Thats good to know!!
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my conclusion: Coach is a gay and being a church boy he knows hes gonna rot in hell for all eternity. Afterall that is Catholic belief right? Or is that Baptist? someone pm me the difference I'm curious
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Frank Zane was probably the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Most people look to Sergio, Arnold, Haney, Coleman etc which is fair enough. Sergio had cartoon-like proportions. Arnold's charisma turned him into a daddy for all of the lost children who took up weight training. Haney brought in his family values and triumphed with his leviathon torso. Coleman blew himself up like no one had ever done before.
But Zane was the master sculptor.
There has yet been nobody who has displayed such Greek-chiselled featrues the way Zane did. Labrada was good, so too was Shawn Ray. Samir did it once and so did Dickerson.
Extol Coleman's bloated balloon gut all you will but only Zane carried with him - in his preparation, his posing, his lines and presence - the original traditions of bodybuilding.
Grimek would have been very proud.
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Sad, sad state of affairs. Studies on Insulin and GH in muscle tissue were being done years ago, consequently, they say the same thing Gh15 is saying: The muscle had a watery, soft, non-fibrous content.
When compared to real muscle fibers, well, they were like day and night.
Best bet is to do your homework, and then put in the blood, sweat, tears, time and commitment. Problem is; nobody wants to work, they all want the EZ way.
"Can't you just give me a pill?"
spot on
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Didn't the chemist name partially come from Zane being a high school chemistry teacher?
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The two weirdo's Coach and Howard fucking another thread up.
On topic i would say Nubret and Zane were the top guys from the golden era.
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The two weirdo's Coach and Howard fucking another thread up.
On topic i would say Nubret and Zane were the top guys from the golden era.
Nubret looked great but I think he suffered in the mandatories. He always seemed underdone when compared to the others.
Zane in 1979 was just perfect. It would have been sight to see if he hadn't injured himself prior to the 1980 Olympia.
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look at this pic!
it is ed van amsterdam about 3 months of megadosing.
at the beginning of this year he was still huge and in shape, and this pic was at the fibo THIS year!
THIS is what WILL happen to every pro that reduces dosing to gymrat doses.
there is also a buddy of your's in the pic gh15.. lolol!
it is a big difference!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2340/2176069468_23ef42d696.jpg)
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It' insane just how artificial drugs muscle is.
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yeah... drink normally... not to much.. normal..
no need for extremes, like with a show.
infact once i had a buddy of mine drink normally up to the day of the show.. just played with his sodium...
worked just as well.... but it always is hit or mis with these type of things... what works one day may not work the second time around.
diazide and aldactazide are pretty safe to use.... i like to use 1 pil a day to keep water off.... i do not like ai´s as you need estrogen to function and grow!
just a diazide a day... works wonders, will not hurt the kidney´s and keep the bloat off...which is a good thing.
going to the beach anytime soon? ;D
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it is a big difference!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2340/2176069468_23ef42d696.jpg)
yesss!
goes to show genetics mean fuck all!
the pic i posted, when looking at his arms, the shape and all.... you would never think he was a pro..
and in a couple of months off mega doses.... gone! all the muscle.. gone.. looks like average gymrat.
he did have health problems though, that is why he HAD to stop.
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yes i can ,,
the muscle caused by abuse of gh and insulina ,, is like rubber made condom ,, you take a rubber made condom ,, go buy one in walmart..fill id up with water...then touch it ...this is what gh and insulina and seo does to muscle...its nto real ,, it is blown up from within ,, yes you can be lean and low bodyfat ,,because the damn fat is from within the muscle,,
the gains from hgh and insulina are lost so fast that really if youre not up to par with the gh usage atleast every 6 months period ....you will lose size very fast,, LEAN size...yes you will look like the coach ...220 with 3 and a half abdominals all bloofy and happy ,, but! will it be lean size? hell no it wont ,, it will be weight but far less lean size,,
no gh and insulina at all = freak factor is gone,,thats when you see who truly is a bodybuilder! only then you see what bodybuild is truly made off...i can garentee to you that all the kuklo the kids and the delarozas and the other balonies would be sitting 180-200 at max on stage! with out hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
S0 THEN IT'S N0T MUSCLE BUT ALL WATER?
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you are a FRASTRATED failed bodybuilder,, this is what you are,, i will prove anything you want when you prove 590 lb press ....you lie to those kidos every single day you are here,, you are shamless creature,, your wives even ran away from you ,,
the only thing they learn from you is how to curse,, how to get mad,, how to be childish 55 year old,, and how to fail in marriage....
son ::)
gh15 approved
Oh, finaly you are mentioning yourself. ;D
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S0 THEN IT'S N0T MUSCLE BUT ALL WATER?
Any way, more than 70% of the natural muscle is water also.
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OptimusPrime is a great poster...very informative.
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OptimusPrime is a great poster...very informative.
;D love you to man! (no homo)
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yesss!
goes to show genetics mean fuck all!
the pic i posted, when looking at his arms, the shape and all.... you would never think he was a pro..
and in a couple of months off mega doses.... gone! all the muscle.. gone.. looks like average gymrat.
he did have health problems though, that is why he HAD to stop.
GENETICS MATTERS. THIS IS WHY S0ME GET LAST PLACE AND S0ME GET 1ST. IT'S AN EVEN LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AT THE T0P 0F THE GAME.
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you guys like stories?
ok...
a very close friend of mine was buddies with ed.
so i will give you guys some insight in a pro's life...
ed had like 2 or 3 huge fridges in his house.. one for the groceries, other 2 for the hgh and slin.
every time he ate something, usually chinese take out! lol.. he would go the the fridge, take out like 5 iu's of hgh and take it. also some slin about 60 iu's or more...
once he took about 80 or 90 iu's at once according to my friend. he collapsed woke up in the hospital.
his wife was already there, she called my friend who rushed to the hospital....
ed his reaction to his wife: you called (name of my friend) for something as common as this? then he asked the nurse the number of the nearest chinese take out.... as he was hungry.. lol!
he got home, ate food.... guess what he did next......
exactly... opened the fridge and did it all over again..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
THIS is what it takes these days....
:-[
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GENETICS MATTERS. THIS IS WHY S0ME GET LAST PLACE AND S0ME GET 1ST. IT'S AN EVEN LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AT THE T0P 0F THE GAME.
once at the top yes... you are right... that will be some of a deciding factor....
but to become a pro, a decent one.. genetics mean fuck all!
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you guys like stories?
ok...
a very close friend of mine was buddies with ed.
so i will give you guys some insight in a pro's life...
ed had like 2 or 3 huge fridges in his house.. one for the groceries, other 2 for the hgh and slin.
every time he ate something, usually chinese take out! lol.. he would go the the fridge, take out like 5 iu's of hgh and take it. also some slin about 60 iu's or more...
once he took about 80 or 90 iu's at once according to my friend. he collapsed woke up in the hospital.
his wife was already there, she called my friend who rushed to the hospital....
ed his reaction to his wife: you called (name of my friend) for something as common as this? then he asked the nurse the number of the nearest chinese take out.... as he was hungry.. lol!
he got home, ate food.... guess what he did next......
exactly... opened the fridge and did it all over again..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
THIS is what it takes these days....
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great story optimus.... the guys on this board who want to be 250lb-270lb like todays guys really better know what their getting themselves into because the road to an addict is inevitable . Option B is play with your deca test and dbol yet be 190-220lb while still living a normal life...but in many cases you end up looking better.
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The two weirdo's Coach and Howard fucking another thread up.
On topic i would say Nubret and Zane were the top guys from the golden era.
No argument from me on that choice.
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great story optimus.... the guys on this board who want to be 250lb-270lb like todays guys really better know what their getting themselves into because the road to an addict is inevitable . Option B is play with your deca test and dbol yet be 190-220lb while still living a normal life...but in many cases you end up looking better.
exactly....
i know these things because i have seen them...
my friend knows ed very good.
i personally knew boris kleine .... dude was crazy! lol!
i have seen the things up close and personal. and i am talking iv's and stuff...
i have seen him drop 6 kilo's in a matter of a few hours.... 2 or 3 hours... very scary..
lasix injected straight in the vein..... turns the skin greyish... gives a death look.
steroids are not even mentioned that is normal.
also amfetamines, very very common...
that is why i KNOW gh15 is speaking the truth, the ugly truth, because i have seen it.
a lot of people here do not know what it takes to be a top amateur or pro these days.
it is beyond steroids, beyond gh.....
slin and other drugs... and i mean real drugs... medication...prescriptio n drugs.. uppers/downers.
it has got nothing to do anymore with being in shape.
it is who is the biggest and hardest competitions.
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No argument from me on that choice.
Ok i like you better now howard, i still don't think very highly of coach though.
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Good post OP.
I suspect some of the drug stuff GH15 posts is true and I know just how extreme some guys go.
Sadly, the contests now feature only a small % of entrants as bodybuilders.
Most major shows have at least 2/3 of the entrants in NON bodybuilding divisions.
Combine that with extreme drug freaks for the bodybuilders we do have and I see a sport that is near dead. Just my 2 cents and observation.
you are 100% right.
that is why i think the mpd will save bb... it will evolve and they will start posing a bit.... shorter shorts...
i love bb! really but once i saw up close and personal what it takes to reach the top.. being a pro.
i thought fuck it, i will train and be in shape, cycle live a bb lifestyle, but to compete ..... no!
local level sure that is nice.. but what will that get you? nothing....
and more and more start thinking like me....
bb needs to go back to late 80's for me i always thought a perfect bber was BERRY DE MEY...
even to reach that you need to take a ton of gear, but that is not a problem.. gear is good! gear = bodybuilding.
today you have rec drugs/ uppers, downers, iv drips... yes iv drips i have seen it! when the lasix injects go wrong they need iv drip... lol!
hanging over a menstoilett, iv in one hand...his dick in the other hand, iv goes in... and same time he pisses everyting out.... lol.... what is the word?? FUBAR???
sick....
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Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.
Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.
More greek statue less monster from hades.
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Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.
Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.
More greek statue less monster from hades.
x1000!
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x1000!
back to demey def one of my fav bbers then,86\87 was fuller with great trademark shape then as discussed endless times here 1988 shredded to the bone insane ,if he was a few lbs heavier and just as hard he would have slipped past gaspari who looked sick too,haney had to much torso thickness then to beaten but demey was great.after pec tear he regrouped and wbf version was bigger yet again not as sharp as 88 though,then back to ifbb and was alltime biggest and still good shape and condition but too many bigger bbers by then,demey was is a legend.
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back to demey def one of my fav bbers then,86\87 was fuller with great trademark shape then as discussed endless times here 1988 shredded to the bone insane ,if he was a few lbs heavier and just as hard he would have slipped past gaspari who looked sick too,haney had to much torso thickness then to beaten but demey was great.after pec tear he regrouped and wbf version was bigger yet again not as sharp as 88 though,then back to ifbb and was alltime biggest and still good shape and condition but too many bigger bbers by then,demey was is a legend.
demey still looks great for his age! healthy and in shape...
in 88 i thuoght he was waaay better then gaspari... gaspari has no shape.... does not belong in top 3.. but that is just me lol! i am biased... being dutch... ;D
berry killed them in conditioning! lee was on a level by himself.... pathetic calves though... lol...
when berry took of his boxing robe, which they all were wearing, and hit the back xmass tree, the crowd went wwwwwwoooooooooowwww! even lee said, berry looks awesome..he was not worried about gaspari lol!
those were great times!!
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Those that say Zane was a skinny swimmers build with abs may have never seen him at his best.
Here he is winning his 3rd Olympia in 1979 at his all time biggest and best.
at 1.30 it looks like one of the weirdor brothers is going to suck him off right on stage.
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you are 100% right.
that is why i think the mpd will save bb... it will evolve and they will start posing a bit.... shorter shorts...
i love bb! really but once i saw up close and personal what it takes to reach the top.. being a pro.
i thought fuck it, i will train and be in shape, cycle live a bb lifestyle, but to compete ..... no!
local level sure that is nice.. but what will that get you? nothing....
and more and more start thinking like me....
bb needs to go back to late 80's for me i always thought a perfect bber was BERRY DE MEY...
even to reach that you need to take a ton of gear, but that is not a problem.. gear is good! gear = bodybuilding.
today you have rec drugs/ uppers, downers, iv drips... yes iv drips i have seen it! when the lasix injects go wrong they need iv drip... lol!
hanging over a menstoilett, iv in one hand...his dick in the other hand, iv goes in... and same time he pisses everyting out.... lol.... what is the word?? FUBAR???
sick....
Your idea and enforcing the classic physique of the 80's as the ideal is good and I agree.
HOwever, the NPC's /IFBB's goal for MPD is the same as bikini for girls. At last yrs nationals I talked with a couple national judges I have known for years and it was obvious that MPD is bikini for guys. They will never do BB poses or compete as bodybuilders.
Vida Gerra will help AMI make the bikinigirls get wider coverage and then guys like Mike the situation will be involved in MPD. Bodybuilding will be a poor step child and the MPD and bikini will become the feature attraction. Sad but I can see it happening.
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Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.
Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.
More greek statue less monster from hades.
Great post!
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Frank Zane was probably the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Most people look to Sergio, Arnold, Haney, Coleman etc which is fair enough. Sergio had cartoon-like proportions. Arnold's charisma turned him into a daddy for all of the lost children who took up weight training. Haney brought in his family values and triumphed with his leviathon torso. Coleman blew himself up like no one had ever done before.
But Zane was the master sculptor.
There has yet been nobody who has displayed such Greek-chiselled featrues the way Zane did. Labrada was good, so too was Shawn Ray. Samir did it once and so did Dickerson.
Extol Coleman's bloated balloon gut all you will but only Zane carried with him - in his preparation, his posing, his lines and presence - the original traditions of bodybuilding.
Grimek would have been very proud.
gotta include a prime Francis Benfatto too
(http://www.nowhavefun.com/celebritypictures/d/61432-1/30+Francis+Benfatto+pic.jpg)(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/d/f/dfc32-Francis.jpg)
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Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.
Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.
More greek statue less monster from hades.
Exactly.
Being strong and healthy, even if just the illusion of it, creates something to aspire towards.
If the fans are inspired, the future of the sport is assured. But if you cater to the gawkers, you'll have some short term success, but the talent pool for future competitors will become smaller and smaller.
As you said, more Greek statues, less monsters from Hades.
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gotta include a prime Francis Benfatto too
(http://www.nowhavefun.com/celebritypictures/d/61432-1/30+Francis+Benfatto+pic.jpg)(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/d/f/dfc32-Francis.jpg)
UGLY PHYSIQUE.
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big zane fan, I think benfatto is the best modern example of the mold
with these 2 also showing the best a fully developed physique can look while maintaining lines, flow, proportion, etc
(http://file.vustv.com/4ZuMuiVnDt6FD.jpg)
and the last proportionate, symmetrical big guy that graced tons of covers
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/42341/profilepic/582652orig.jpg)
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UGLY PHYSIQUE.
so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening
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Zane didn't have the best structure, particularly his waist/chest in their raw form but why we're all marvelling over him is because he mastered the art of showing his strengthd and hiding his weaknesses. Stand him straight on and it may not be as pleasing/special but when he twists a little or hits an overhead vacuum, it's lights out.
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Zane didn't have the best structure, particularly his waist/chest in their raw form but why we're all marvelling over him is because he mastered the art of showing his strengthd and hiding his weaknesses. Stand him straight on and it may not be as pleasing/special but when he twists a little or hits an overhead vacuum, it's lights out.
yep
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so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening
SMALL CHEST, N0 TRAPS. L0NG T0RS0, SH0RT LEGS.
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big zane fan, I think benfatto is the best modern example of the mold
with these 2 also showing the best a fully developed physique can look while maintaining lines, flow, proportion, etc
(http://file.vustv.com/4ZuMuiVnDt6FD.jpg)
and the last proportionate, symmetrical big guy that graced tons of covers
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/42341/profilepic/582652orig.jpg)
We must always remember this guy...as well
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/flex_wheeler4.jpg)
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Flex was great, amazing cartoon like muscles with small jointsn but somehow it just didn't look like "real" muscle
93 he had the best brb since bannout in 83
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so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening
dude... the guy is 5'3 or something like that... hardly what woman consider attractive! ;D
and his head is to big for his tiny body lol!
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dude... the guy is 5'3 or something like that... hardly what woman consider attractive! ;D
and his head is to big for his tiny body lol!
L0L.
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SMALL CHEST, N0 TRAPS. L0NG T0RS0, SH0RT LEGS.
LOL Assbruise
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dude... the guy is 5'3 or something like that... hardly what woman consider attractive! ;D
and his head is to big for his tiny body lol!
seen him in real life, 5'7"
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Flex was great, amazing cartoon like muscles with small jointsn but somehow it just didn't look like "real" muscle
93 he had the best brb since bannout in 83
In 1993, Flex Wheeler looked INCREDIBLE.
After 1993, Flex Wheeler destroyed his physique by trying to play the size game with his ridiculously exaggerated site enhancements. His back double biceps in 1993 was fantastic but later, with the added 'size', the pose looked all bunched up and bubbly.
I think post-93 Wheeler was overrated. A physique so obviously enhanced should never be rewarded the way his was.
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Imo your assessment of flex is spot on
Then again I think benfatto had 1 of the best physiques ever and zane also thought so, but according to the 250lb 4% bf millionaires on getbig he had an ugly physique with a big head
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seen him in real life, 5'7"
yes , i looked it up.... he is 5'6... lol!
again hardly what woman consider attractive!
that is still a midget!
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yes , i looked it up.... he is 5'6... lol!
again hardly what woman consider attractive!
that is still a midget!
N0T T00 MENTI0N HIS B0DY. SH0RT STUMPY LEGS AND N0 TRAPS.
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Imo your assessment of flex is spot on
Then again I think benfatto had 1 of the best physiques ever and zane also thought so, but according to the 250lb 4% bf millionaires on getbig he had an ugly physique with a big head
Flex made a mess of himself but the judges and fans kept riding his going nowhere bandwagon until he almost killed himself.
In 1993, Flex was sublime. If he had the courage to compete with his 1993 physique, further refining it, sooner or later, I have no doubt he would have won the Olympia.
But like so many other bodybuilders, he didn't have the courage nor the patience to refine what made them unique.
Frank Zane never played the size game and he eventually caught the judges attention and took home with him three Olympia titles and a true legend status.
As for the 250lb 4% fans, they don't have the eye for bodybuilding. They think they do because they can say "awesome" but anyone can say that. They don't have the sense for presence and style.
Those kinds of fans, for some reason, have also become judges....
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Awww so a bit of truth hurts your feelings - Ken Sprague wouldnt happen to be selling those workout drinks etc would he :D - and who were you at the time ? a wet behind the ears kid who was enthusiastic and wanting to be like your hero ? of course Sprague is going to tell you about zane and drugs isn't he ::) how many of the supplements did you buy from them ? you are so gullible Howie - I dont mean that in a bad way but you seem to beleive everything that these guys say - BB and the industry that surrounds it is built on lies and deception - open your eyes fella.
oh and you know better ?
who the fuck are you again ??