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Title: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:20:10 AM
HHS announces free birth control for women
CNN ^ | August 1, 2011 | Sabriya Rice




The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced new guidelines in Washington Monday requiring health insurance plans beginning on or after August 1, 2012 to cover several women's preventive services, including birth control and voluntary sterilization.

According to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the decision is a part of the Affordable Care Act's move to stop problems before they start. "These historic guidelines are based on science and existing literature and will help ensure women get the preventive health benefits they need," she said in a news release.

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WTF!  

This admn is really pushing it.    
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:23:30 AM
..Insurers must cover birth control with no copays

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR - Associated Press | AP – 17 mins ago


http://news.yahoo.com/insurers-must-cover-birth-control-no-copays-140750830.html




WASHINGTON (AP) — Health insurance plans must cover birth control as preventive care for women, with no copays, the Obama administration said Monday in a decision with far-reaching implications for health care as well as social mores.

The requirement is part of a broad expansion of coverage for women's preventive care under President Barack Obama's health care law. Also to be covered without copays are breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual "well-woman" physical, screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer and for diabetes during pregnancy, counseling on domestic violence, and other services.

"These historic guidelines are based on science and existing (medical) literature and will help ensure women get the preventive health benefits they need," said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

The new requirements will take effect Jan. 1, 2013, in most cases. Over time, they are expected to apply to most employer-based insurance plans, as well as coverage purchased individually. Plans that are considered "grandfathered" under the law will not be affected, at least initially. Consumers should check with their health insurance plan administrator.

Sebelius acted after a near-unanimous recommendation last month from a panel of experts convened by the prestigious Institute of Medicine, which advises the government. Panel chairwoman Linda Rosenstock, dean of public health at the University of California, Los Angeles, said that prevention of unintended pregnancies is essential for the psychological, emotional and physical health of women.

Birth control use is virtually universal in the United States, according to a government study issued last summer. Generic versions of the pill are available for as little as $9 a month. Still, about half of all pregnancies are unplanned. Many are among women using some form of contraception, and forgetting to take the pill is a major reason.

Contraception is about more than simply preventing pregnancy — it can help make a woman's next pregnancy healthier by spacing births far enough apart, generally 18 months to two years. Research links closely spaced births to a risk of such problems as prematurity, low birth weight, even autism. Research has shown that even modest copays for medical care can discourage use.

In a nod to social and religious conservatives, the rules issued Monday by Sebelius include a provision that would allow religious institutions to opt out of offering birth control coverage. However, many conservatives are supporting legislation by Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Neb., that would codify a range of exceptions to the new health care law on religious and conscience grounds.

Although the new women's preventive services will be free of any additional charge to patients, somebody will have to pay. The cost will be spread among other people with health insurance, resulting in slightly higher premiums.  That may be offset to some degree with savings from diseases prevented, or pregnancies that are planned to minimize any potential ill effects to the mother and baby.

The administration did allow insurers some leeway in determining what they will cover. For example, health plans will be able to charge copays for branded drugs in cases where a generic version is just as effective and safe for the patient.


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AGAIN - FUCK YOU AND DROP DEAD WHO EVER STILL SUPPORTS THIS DISASTROUS ADMN.


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Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:26:16 AM
So now my premium gets to be jacked up because these women dont want to pay for their own shit. 


Unfucking real.   Yeah, where are the pieces of shit and rat fecal matter on this board who told me my premiums would go down? 

Oh yeah, remember obama telling everyone that their premiuim would drop by 3000%? ?  ?



 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 01, 2011, 08:37:04 AM

WTF!  

This admn is really pushing it.    
I thought you'd like that lol...
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:37:30 AM
The best part of this is that you pieces of garbage who support this admn still sit in bewilderment as to why businesses wont hire anyone while ***** is POTUS?  


LMFAO!  
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:40:39 AM
I thought you'd like that lol...


This is a perfect example of why the economy is collapsing due to actions of this horrible admn that needs to go away.

1.  Regulatory uncertainty.
2.  Added costs
3.  Dictatorial Edicts from far left communist tyrants like obama with too much power.
4.  Economic ignorance and incompetence


and on and on and on. 

And the real kick in the cu*t in all of this is that those who are hurt the most by this admn are the same stupid fucking morons and dopes who support him the most!     
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 08:56:11 AM
But doesn't it make you feel good deep down inside that you're helping your fellow man?
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 08:58:37 AM
yesssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 08:58:42 AM
But doesn't it make you feel good deep down inside that you're helping your fellow man?

No!   Absolutely not!  
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Fury on August 01, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
Once upon a time it was considered shameful to take handouts from the government. Oh how the times they are a changing.

Where my free shit?
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:00:10 AM
yesssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!

You are nothing but a thief.  Seriously - you entire belief system is based upon stealing, theft, and socialism.  


Why should I pay more so someone else can not have to pay for something?  

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 09:18:22 AM
No!   Absolutely not!  

There are poor people that NEED your help. It's your duty as a fellow American to help them in their time (decades) of need.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:23:04 AM
There are poor people that NEED your help. It's your duty as a fellow American to help them in their time (decades) of need.

No its not.  They are working and have a job. 

This is going to jack up everyones' rates.   

and then the far left liberal obama dildo pieces of trash can sit on the sidelines and scream about businesses not hiring. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
You are nothing but a thief.  Seriously - you entire belief system is based upon stealing, theft, and socialism.  


Why should I pay more so someone else can not have to pay for something?  



Ill knock you the fuck out. Im no fucking theif. I dont steal a fucking thing. My entire belief system is based on helping people. And i do my shit with no help from anyone.

But check this out chief. This is the last time you are going to tell me what my "entire belief" system is. Now..if you know me, youll know how i get down. How much time and my own money i give. So keep that to yourself chump.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:37:27 AM
Ill knock you the fuck out. Im no fucking theif. I dont steal a fucking thing. My entire belief system is based on helping people. And i do my shit with no help from anyone.

But check this out chief. This is the last time you are going to tell me what my "entire belief" system is. Now..if you know me, youll know how i get down. How much time and my own money i give. So keep that to yourself chump.

Yes, you are a thief.  Maybe you don't wear a ski mask and point a gun at me, but you advocate policies that essentially do the same thing. 

Forcing me to pay more so that someone else can have something for free is what? 

   
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 09:37:47 AM
LoL!  Monday morning drama.  Gotta love it....
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 09:43:15 AM
Yes, you are a thief.  Maybe you don't wear a ski mask and point a gun at me, but you advocate policies that essentially do the same thing. 

Forcing me to pay more so that someone else can have something for free is what? 

   

alright.. so those old tea party guys that dont want their medicare cut.. what are they?
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:44:55 AM
alright.. so those old tea party guys that dont want their medicare cut.. what are they?

They paid taxes for that out of every pay check which were stolen by the govt. 

I guess you are having trouble being able to tell the differrence.     
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
They paid taxes for that out of every pay check which were stolen by the govt. 

I guess you are having trouble being able to tell the differrence.     

But what if the taxes paid buy them werent not enough to cover the expenses of care they are getting, is that stealing?..And like i said.. i dont get shit from the government, i havent stolen shit. You are the thief and liar
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
But what if the taxes paid buy them werent not enough to cover the expenses of care they are getting, is that stealing?..And like i said.. i dont get shit from the government, i havent stolen shit. You are the thief and liar


LMAO.  You are mixing way too many issues. 

This is about the Obama Junta dictating private carriers provide birth control at no cost to women.  Well who pays for that? 

If I pay say 500 a month now, and after this, I AM FORCED BY OBAMACARE MANDATES, to now pay 525 a month - despite the fact that I dont use birth control and not a woman, what do you call that? 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
I dunno about you guys... but given the fact we KNOW that millions of poor people will get preggo each year and need welfare... and the fact it costs a TON less to give them a depo shot every 3 months, than it does to pay for 18 years of a kid...

If the reality is, we will be paying either way, let's pay LESS.

Sure, you'll have unrealistic extremists saying "We shouldn't be paying anything at all", and they're right, but since the grownups here realize that ain't gonna change - birth control is a cheaper option.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
I dunno about you guys... but given the fact we KNOW that millions of poor people will get preggo each year and need welfare... and the fact it costs a TON less to give them a depo shot every 3 months, than it does to pay for 18 years of a kid...

If the reality is, we will be paying either way, let's pay LESS.

Sure, you'll have unrealistic extremists saying "We shouldn't be paying anything at all", and they're right, but since the grownups here realize that ain't gonna change - birth control is a cheaper option.

 ::)  ::)

poor people use Medicade fool. 

This is in regard to private carriers. 

Read before you post. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: blacken700 on August 01, 2011, 10:02:11 AM
I dunno about you guys... but given the fact we KNOW that millions of poor people will get preggo each year and need welfare... and the fact it costs a TON less to give them a depo shot every 3 months, than it does to pay for 18 years of a kid...

If the reality is, we will be paying either way, let's pay LESS.

Sure, you'll have unrealistic extremists saying "We shouldn't be paying anything at all", and they're right, but since the grownups here realize that ain't gonna change - birth control is a cheaper option.

hey stop thinking fu#king logical on this board  ;D
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 10:04:21 AM
hey stop thinking fu#king logical on this board  ;D

Funny considering his post had absolutely nothing to do with the article itself. 

Again - read before you post jackass. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
Why do poor people breed like rats?

Did they do this before welfare programs?
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
Why do poor people breed like rats?

Did they do this before welfare programs?

Because they are not forced to work. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
Why do poor people breed like rats?

Did they do this before welfare programs?

seems like the poorer and dumber, the more babies the people make.  Look at the poorest and most uneducated countries - they are having 4 or 6 babies.

on the other hand, the population in the US seems to have leveled off, as more educated people finish school and start careers first - then only have 1 or 2 babies.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: tu_holmes on August 01, 2011, 11:45:50 AM
Interesting points highlighted below.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/insurers-required-to-cover-birth-control-with-no-copays.php


Insurers Required To Cover Birth Control With No Copays



The Obama administration announced on Monday that health insurance plans must cover birth control with no copays, among other reproductive health care services, as preventative care for women. The requirement will apply to health care plans beginning on or after August 1, 2012. The announcement comes just a month after Health and Human Services released a recommendation that sought to expand preventative services for women under Obama's health care law.

In addition to birth control, the expansion will cover breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual "well-woman" physical, including screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer, HIV, and gestational diabetes, as well as counseling for domestic violence.

The guidelines, which were released by Health and Human Services, are based on a scientific review conducted by the Institute of Medicine, an independent, nonprofit organization that gives advice to decision makers and the public. By adding birth control to the list of recommended preventative services, the committee hopes to reduce the rate of unintended pregnancies, which compose almost half of all pregnancies in the United States.

"The committee defined preventive health services as measures -- including medications, procedures, devices, tests, education and counseling -- shown to improve well-being, and/or decrease the likelihood or delay the onset of a targeted disease or condition," said the report's authors.

They argue that birth control methods, services, and education should be available "so that women can better avoid unwanted pregnancies and space their pregnancies to promote optimal birth outcomes," according to the Institute of Medicine.

Indeed, a recent survey found that 78 percent of Americans "believe the federal government should subsidize birth control and other family planning services, excluding abortion, at government-funded clinics for low-income women."

While the recommendations received a generally positive reception, it was met with criticism by faith-based groups and conservatives who view contraception use as akin to abortion.

Jeanne Monahan, director of Family Research Council's Center for Human Dignity, said: "Several drugs have been approved by the FDA to be legally categorized as 'emergency contraceptives,' despite functioning in ways that can destroy a preborn baby before or after implanting in the mother's womb. A federal mandate to all insurance plans to include [these drugs] ... essentially would mandate coverage for abortion."

In an effort to appease faith-based groups, the Obama administration incorporated an exception to the law that would allow "religious institutions that offer insurance to their employees the choice of whether or not to cover contraception services."


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Odd that it's all religious based denouncement.

Also, the money that your wife / girlfriend saves by getting her free checkups and free birth control will probably make up the difference in your premium or co-pays for other items.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Again -  HOW HARD IS THIS FOR YOU TO GRASP? 

When premiums keep going up - less businesses are going to hire people. 

How many times do we need to replay this shit show where the good intentions of the dreamers leads to disaster?   

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 12:29:19 PM
The women who are going to take advantage of the free BC are ones that would have gone and bought it anyways.  The one's that need to be on it and are breeding rat-bastards aren't going to take it anyways.

No real change is going to come from the shitbags in society thru voluntary participation. Things like BC have to be made mandatory for those who are causing the problems.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
Again -  HOW HARD IS THIS FOR YOU TO GRASP? 

When premiums keep going up - less businesses are going to hire people. 

How many times do we need to replay this shit show where the good intentions of the dreamers leads to disaster?   



Dosent matter.. big business is doing well
still no hiring
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Hereford on August 01, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
Dosent matter.. big business is doing well
still no hiring

Oh they are hiring.  They just aren't hiring 'fluff' jobs anymore.

If you have real skills and are willing to travel/relocate, you can easily find a job.

If you are a run-of-the-mill clerical or other unskilled worker... good luck.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Dosent matter.. big business is doing well
still no hiring

Wonder why? 

Take a long guess.   
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 01:00:04 PM
Wonder why? 

Take a long guess.   

Duh..Obama did it
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: MB on August 01, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
Another unconstitutional mandate.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
Another unconstitutional mandate.

Its going to drive premiums through the roof even further and businesses will again refuse to hire anyone. 


Thank you Obama - you economic ignoramus.   
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
Duh..Obama did it

Yes.  ObamaCare, Dodd Frank, EPA insanity, NLRB craziness, spending like a crack whore in Harlem who won the lotto, energy inflation, radical marxist appointees all strewn throughout the govt, etc etc. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
Yes.  ObamaCare, Dodd Frank, EPA insanity, NLRB craziness, spending like a crack whore in Harlem who won the lotto, energy inflation, radical marxist appointees all strewn throughout the govt, etc etc. 


i got a hang nail.. obama did that too
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
i got a hang nail.. obama did that too

Keep your head in the sand bro.   Its really sad to see how otherwise intelligent people completely subvert all common sense and reality in order to support Obama for some unknown reason. 

I don't even get the race thing either to be honest.  Blacks are being hurt the worst by his policies and he has never done a god damned thing in his life to so much lift a finger to help black people.     
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
Keep your head in the sand bro.   Its really sad to see how otherwise intelligent people completely subvert all common sense and reality in order to support Obama for some unknown reason. 

I don't even get the race thing either to be honest.  Blacks are being hurt the worst by his policies and he has never done a god damned thing in his life to so much lift a finger to help black people.     

Who is supporting anything.. im not supporting a lot of what obama is doing.. but im also not lying making shit up either.. huge difference
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 02:05:24 PM
Who is supporting anything.. im not supporting a lot of what obama is doing.. but im also not lying making shit up either.. huge difference


What did a lie about? 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Option D on August 01, 2011, 02:12:01 PM

What did a lie about? 

about obama calling swat on grandmothers
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Parker on August 01, 2011, 02:19:56 PM

LMAO.  You are mixing way too many issues. 

This is about the Obama Junta dictating private carriers provide birth control at no cost to women.  Well who pays for that? 

If I pay say 500 a month now, and after this, I AM FORCED BY OBAMACARE MANDATES, to now pay 525 a month - despite the fact that I dont use birth control and not a woman, what do you call that? 
And appaently this...
breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual "well-woman" physical, screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer and for diabetes during pregnancy, counseling on domestic violence, and other services.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 01, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
So now businesses get sacked with higher costs and refuse to higher due to cost. 

Funny how Mal finds it so difficult to comprehend common sense. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: MB on August 02, 2011, 06:50:41 AM
It will be hard to find a job that offers health insurance by the time Obamacare kicks in.  The cost to employers will be just too high. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: GigantorX on August 02, 2011, 07:08:56 AM
'Option D' is most definitely my "Option A" for early morning posts.

When him and 33386 go at it one can only sit back and marvel.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 07:19:30 AM
I'm just trying to figure out how anyone w a clue thinks this will do anything but skyrocket premiums, retard employer offered health benefits, and do anything but pile on an already horrible employment situation.

Mal makes it personal, which is fine, but the reality of the situation is that those of us who said this would be a complete fiasco and disaster are being proven right. 

I know that is a bitter pill to swallow for my cadre of haters.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: kcballer on August 02, 2011, 11:27:41 AM
About time they started with this. 

I especially like this - expansion will cover breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual "well-woman" physical, including screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer, HIV, and gestational diabetes, as well as counseling for domestic violence.

Fantastic news. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 12:35:18 PM
New ObamaCare mandate: no co-pays on contraceptives (Or “counseling on domestic violence.”)
Hotair ^ | 08/02/2011 | Ed Morrissey




The ObamaCare bill has resulted in an explosion of ambiguity and arbitrary rulings, mainly focused at first on temporary waivers for some insurers and employers on requirements for meeting the threshold of payouts to premiums. The Department of Health and Human Services stopped issuing waivers under pressure from Congress to explain their methodology, but a new ruling by Kathleen Sebelius will likely prompt even more protests. The Obama administration ordered insurers to cover prescription contraceptives and a range of other “women’s wellness” services and products without co-pays:

Health insurance plans must cover birth control as preventive care for women, with no copays, the Obama administration said Monday in a decision with far-reaching implications for health care as well as social mores.

The requirement is part of a broad expansion of coverage for women’s preventive care under President Barack Obama’s health care law. Also to be covered without copays are breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual “well-woman” physical, screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer and for diabetes during pregnancy, counseling on domestic violence, and other services.

“These historic guidelines are based on science and existing (medical) literature and will help ensure women get the preventive health benefits they need,” said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

The new requirements will take effect Jan. 1, 2013, in most cases. Tens of millions of women are expected to gain coverage initially, and that number is likely to grow with time. At first, some plans may be exempt due to a complex provision of the health care law known as the “grandfather” clause. But those even plans could face pressure from their members to include the new benefit.

Let’s put this in its proper context. Thanks to this new mandate, insurers will eat hundreds of millions or perhaps billions of dollars in additional costs each year. Guess how they will recoup those costs? Premiums will rise across the board, meaning that everyone will pay the additional cost as well as the specific patients getting the services and products.

Does this solve some sort of pressing gap in society? Not really. As the Huffington Post report notes, contraceptive use is already nearly universal. The report quotes a government study that shows 90 million prescriptions for contraceptives are dispensed annually. Clearly, there is no big gap in access due to having co-pays for the Pill. If poor women had problems paying the additional cost, then HHS could have ordered Medicaid to end co-pays, a power that was already within their jurisdiction before ObamaCare’s passage.

So where does this end? Do we next mandate an end to co-pays on Lipitor because cholesterol is a problem in American health? I can tell you that the co-pays on that medication are higher than on most and probably represent more of a barrier to access than co-pays on the Pill, let alone access to breast pumps and counseling on domestic violence.

This is a preview of life under ObamaCare. This edict got handed down from the mountain purely for political purposes. The Obama administration wants to bolster its standing with women ahead of the next election; this mandate will probably get featured in an endless series of campaign ads. “President Obama protects women!” the copy will read. In the meantime, rational provider-patient cost sharing on non-critical products and services will be discarded, forcing the rest of us to eat the cost in higher premiums. It’s the ultimate in arbitrary exercises in authority.

And people wonder why employers, who have to price the costs of adding positions, aren’t hiring any more.

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 12:45:37 PM
It would be nice if it just ended at free birth control pills.  I could support that.  Nothing more. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 12:49:31 PM
It would be nice if it just ended at free birth control pills.  I could support that.  Nothing more. 

 ::)  ::)

Yeah, because prudence, reservation, and limits, are ever part of the communist left agenda. 



This disgusting communist dirtbag obama, who mostly the ignorant idiots and imbecils voted for is doing exactly what we said he would, COLLAPSE THE NATION. 

Its day by day, action by action, etc. 


Maybe when those who voted for this communist traitor are in the street destitute as a result of this bubonic plagues' actions they will understand.   However, I still have my doubts to be honest.   They voted for this disaster in the first place and were unable to see the reality of this catastrophe so expecting them to wake up now is probably futile.     
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
::)  ::)

Yeah, because prudence, reservation, and limits, are ever part of the communist left agenda. 

This disgusting communist dirtbag obama, who mostly the ignorant idiots and imbecils voted for is doing exactly what we said he would, COLLAPSE THE NATION. 

Its day by day, action by action, etc. 

Maybe when those who voted for this communist traitor are in the street destitute as a result of this bubonic plagues' actions they will understand.   However, I still have my doubts to be honest.   They voted for this disaster in the first place and were unable to see the reality of this catastrophe so expecting them to wake up now is probably futile.     

Whatever tool   ::) ::)

Its a good idea.  It will make less unwanted babies and less welfare. 

there are so........ many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many ........

...........More important things to cut.

Give it a rest terrorist. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 01:00:19 PM
Again - its very simple -

DRIVE THE PRICE OF HEALTH INSURANCE HIGHER -

1.  LESS BUSINESSES HIGHER PEOPLE OR OFFER INSURANCE

2.  MORE PEOPLE DROP COVERAGE ALTOGETHER





Funny how the idiots, and if you dont grasp the above please include yourself in that group, are so oblivious to economic reality and common sense.


A year from now, when UE is still over 9% officially, its going to be utterly humerous to see the dreamers from California like yourself, Straw, Mal, etc, still sit in bewilderment why the economy is so bad.


Get a clue - if obama does something chances are 95% its going to make something worse.     
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
Again - its very simple -

DRIVE THE PRICE OF HEALTH INSURANCE HIGHER -

1.  LESS BUSINESSES HIGHER PEOPLE OR OFFER INSURANCE

2.  MORE PEOPLE DROP COVERAGE ALTOGETHER





Funny how the idiots, and if you dont grasp the above please include yourself in that group, are so oblivious to economic reality and common sense.


A year from now, when UE is still over 9% officially, its going to be utterly humerous to see the dreamers from California like yourself, Straw, Mal, etc, still sit in bewilderment why the economy is so bad.


Get a clue - if obama does something chances are 95% its going to make something worse.     

Do you need a stroller to help you keep up?

How about a golf cart?

will that help?

 ::)

It would be nice if it just ended at free birth control pills.  I could support that.  Nothing more. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: MB on August 02, 2011, 01:07:07 PM
It is not the job of the government to take care of you in any way, shape, or form.  Once everyone can admit that, our financial problems will be solved. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Do you need a stroller to help you keep up?

How about a golf cart?

will that help?

 ::)


No it would not be nice. 

Its always that way, start with one thing, and keep expanding, and expanding, etc etc, until the whole system collapses. 

that is the obama plan - collapse the health system. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
It is not the job of the government to take care of you in any way, shape, or form.  Once everyone can admit that, our financial problems will be solved. 

No one is going to admit it.  And its never going to stop until our government completely changes, every politician is kicked out of office and new rules are made regarding lobbyists and campaign contributions  Once everyone accepts that maybe things will change.

Just admitting it does nothing.  
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 01:12:21 PM
No it would not be nice. 

Its always that way, start with one thing, and keep expanding, and expanding, etc etc, until the whole system collapses. 

that is the obama plan - collapse the health system. 

333333, really......   do i need to draw pictures for you?

It would be nice if it just ended at free birth control pills.  I could support that.  Nothing more. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 01:19:33 PM
333333, really......   do i need to draw pictures for you?


Yes, finger paints and crayons would be nice.   


No it would not be nice because that is not reality.  You want unicorns and ponies  Sorry, I dont do fantasy world bs.   The communists like obama always like to start out with one thing and say "oh look how good we are, how generous, how kind, compassionate, etc"   

That's never the reality.   The reality is that they seek entire collapse of the system and get dupes buying into flowery bullshit in order to get tacit approval to do so.         
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
Yes, finger paints and crayons would be nice.   


No it would not be nice because that is not reality.  You want unicorns and ponies  Sorry, I dont do fantasy world bs.   The communists like obama always like to start out with one thing and say "oh look how good we are, how generous, how kind, compassionate, etc"   

That's never the reality.   The reality is that they seek entire collapse of the system and get dupes buying into flowery bullshit in order to get tacit approval to do so.         

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qs7YsKfczho/TUxLOkzYuFI/AAAAAAAABME/zl-tJ-YYwD0/s1600/2235_dr_evil_right_thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
I'll take my track record v anyone on this board as to this admn and the economy any day.  Anyone. 

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 02:05:45 PM
I'll take my track record v anyone on this board as to this admn and the economy any day.  Anyone. 



(http://cdn1.benzinga.com/files/crazypeople.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
Yeah - ok Ozmo -

Like I said i have more accurate about this bubonic plague called the obama admn than anyone else on this board. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: heycomedy on August 02, 2011, 02:49:50 PM
Can they do this?

doesn't congress have to pass the law?
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
Can they do this?

doesn't congress have to pass the law?

no, the disgusting vermin who cheer on obamcare love that he has dictatorial powers.
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 03:34:24 PM
Yeah - ok Ozmo -

Like I said i have more accurate about this bubonic plague called the obama admn than anyone else on this board. 

(http://img.izismile.com/img/img2/20090316/640/crazy_people_640_35.jpg)



 ::)

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
Whatever bro - keep your head in the sand. 

Funny how the most oblivious and whacked out people all seem to come from California. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Whatever bro - keep your head in the sand. 

Funny how the most oblivious and whacked out people all seem to come from California. 

Ok Chicken Little.

(http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg)

Free BC pills is the gateway drug to communism. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Ok Chicken Little.

(http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg)

Free BC pills is the gateway drug to communism. 

Really?  Chicken Little? 

Want to go over where this nation is only 2 and half years after this disgusting vermin took office along with the help of the idiots and morons of America to lazy and ignorant to research what "change" actually meant?

 

Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: OzmO on August 02, 2011, 03:48:52 PM
Really?  Chicken Little? 

Want to go over where this nation is only 2 and half years after this disgusting vermin took office along with the help of the idiots and morons of America to lazy and ignorant to research what "change" actually meant?




You know what the ironic part about this is?

I just got off the phone arguing with a friend of mine about Obama and found myself saying much of what you say.  (mainly the facts, not your chicken little fear mongering BS)  It was great, they were speechless. 

(http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2011, 04:03:31 PM
The women who are going to take advantage of the free BC are ones that would have gone and bought it anyways. 

Yeah.  I tend to agree with this. 
Title: Re: Obama Admn announces "FREE" birth control for women BOHICA.
Post by: Dos Equis on August 02, 2011, 04:05:58 PM
It would be nice if it just ended at free birth control pills.  I could support that.  Nothing more. 

I'm open to this too.  At least it's better than than the African ball washing fiasco.