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Title: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: heycomedy on August 04, 2011, 03:18:14 PM
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: The True Adonis on August 04, 2011, 03:22:13 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/chris-christie/2011/08/04/christie-defends-appointing-muslim-judge-sharia-law-business-crap

Christie Defends Appointing Muslim Judge: ‘This Sharia Law Business Is Crap
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By Frances Martel, Mediaite

At this juncture, it may be more efficient to highlight which interactions between New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and the media are not newsworthy. The Republican’s appointment of Muslim-American Sohail Mohammed to a state bench this week ruffled some feathers among some who fear the threat of Sharia Law, but when asked about those concerns, Gov. Christie made clear he had no patience for such “ignorance,” calling the complaints “crap.”

“Ignorance is behind the criticism of Sohail Mohammed,” he told a reporter asking about the complaints that he may be inadequate to be a judge because he defended Muslim Americans who were wrongly arrested post-9/11. “He is an extraordinary American who is an outstanding lawyer and played an integral role in the post-September 11th period in building bridges between the Muslim American community in this state and law enforcement,” Gov. Christie argued, adding that he was “disgusted, candidly, by some of the questions he was asked… at the Senate judiciary committee.”

But it was a follow-up question on the fear of Sharia Law that set the governor off. “Sharia Law has nothing to do with this at all, it’s crazy!” he cried. “The guy is an American citizen!” He concluded that the “Sharia Law business is just crap… and I’m tried of dealing with the crazies,” adding with disgust and frustration that “it’s just unnecessary to be accusing this guy of things just because of his religious background.”
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Deicide on August 04, 2011, 03:22:29 PM


LOL, "0-1% inflation"; what planet is he living on?
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: The True Adonis on August 04, 2011, 03:24:02 PM
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: heycomedy on August 04, 2011, 03:33:50 PM
criste is so epic

christe for president

end public school and all union pension now

end unemplyment

end governmetn finance

end fed

end fannei freddy
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 04, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
I love how he puts these parasites in their place. 
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: The True Adonis on August 04, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
I love how he puts these parasites in their place. 
asalamalakum
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: heycomedy on August 04, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
I love how he puts these parasites in their place. 

me
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Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: The True Adonis on August 04, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
me
2
Do you like how he puts parasites into the Judgeship?
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: tonymctones on August 04, 2011, 07:31:36 PM
Can you imagine this guy debating obama?

goodness gracious they could put it on pay per view and make billions...LOL


Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: heycomedy on August 04, 2011, 11:32:41 PM
Can you imagine this guy debating obama?

goodness gracious they could put it on pay per view and make billions...LOL




Romeny Paul Bachmann would stomp obama in debate but yes christe would torch him into a conder!
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 05, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
I've seen three youtube videos of this guy, and a couple pieces on TV news.  Everything I've seen, I completely support.

I'm going to look this guy up, he's got to be wrong on something...
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 05, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
I've seen three youtube videos of this guy, and a couple pieces on TV news.  Everything I've seen, I completely support.

I'm going to look this guy up, he's got to be wrong on something...

his weight. 
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 05, 2011, 12:59:29 PM
his weight. 

lol... Just read an article

"NJ Gov. Chris Christie blames health issues squarely on his weight"

Guy isn't denying it...


Read one article saying he's strong on the 2nd amendment, read another saying he's weak on the 2nd amendment.

Is this fat fucker running for Pres?  I think I might support this guy.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: headhuntersix on August 05, 2011, 01:12:11 PM
I guess he is losing weight and has a trainer/dietician. He also suffers from bad asthma, which explains he latest issues. I hope he runs. He'll has some explaining to do with some connections to shady characters in Jersey but nothing on the level of the current shitbag n chief. Christe/Rubio 12'.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 05, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
I guess he is losing weight and has a trainer/dietician. He also suffers from bad asthma, which explains he latest issues. I hope he runs. He'll has some explaining to do with some connections to shady characters in Jersey but nothing on the level of the current shitbag n chief. Christe/Rubio 12'.

Who, this guy?

(http://homepreneurship.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/tony_soprano.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 05, 2011, 01:21:47 PM
Who, this guy?

(http://homepreneurship.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/tony_soprano.jpg)

 ;D

Love the Sopranos.  that's how I grew up - real men, not panzies, pussies, metrosexual dweebs and dorks.   
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: headhuntersix on August 05, 2011, 01:24:41 PM
I said before in some thread..it would be O'dumbass against Anthony S in a presidential debate. Jaws and any episode of the Soprano's are the only two shows that I'll watch regardless of how many times I've seen them.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: The True Adonis on August 05, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
I said before in some thread..it would be O'dumbass against Anthony S in a presidential debate. Jaws and any episode of the Soprano's are the only two shows that I'll watch regardless of how many times I've seen them.
You oughta watch Deadwood.  Nothing compares.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: headhuntersix on August 05, 2011, 01:29:37 PM
Yet another show HBO killed before its time. I suspect Game of Thrones will go that way before to long.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 05, 2011, 01:30:46 PM
You oughta watch Deadwood.  Nothing compares.

It was hard keeping track of all the shit going on in that show. 

I liked sopranoes since I could relate so closely to that.  it was like seeing part of your life and those you deal with on the screen. 
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: headhuntersix on August 05, 2011, 01:33:24 PM
The show made me hungry.....I have to import all my Italian pastries. Luckily somebody finally opened a fish market close enough to where I'm stationed. I just grabbed some squid and clams for Sunday.
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: Roger Bacon on August 05, 2011, 01:44:53 PM
Love the Sopranos.  that's how I grew up - real men, not panzies, pussies, metrosexual dweebs and dorks.   

Sad world we live in today...
Title: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 07, 2012, 07:33:26 PM
They all work at welfare jobs.  

They think that the propsperity capitalism gives is blood to suck and that they deserve something simply for showing up and exisitng.

The more we saddle producers with blood sucking the poorer we all get despite technological progress made mostly by non government private research.

If we simply said no debt spending we would all feel the crushing taxes needed to spend this much on cronies and welfare jobs.

Since the fed exists and we can run dificits, a politicians dream come true, they can overspend and the inflate with fed and push off the inevitable problem until they retire and leave the hot potato to the next guy.

This is all democrats do.

Peter drucker showed in his books how the modern managed corporation is really the only way known to produce anything.

Marx couldnt see this since they didn't exist until after marx.

They key distinction to make is that not all jobs are productive jobs.

Government jobs are welfare jobs since they are inevitable higher paid than they produce.  They also have a nasty feature of you can't fire the stinkers.

This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

USA has the odd feature that we have the easiest life on the planet yet everyone thinks life is tuff and the rich don't pay them enough.

When people come here from north korea its like WOW, or from China...

There an engineer gets $200 a month with phd.

People are simply used to being lazy, and vote to keep thier welfare jobs, but printing money at fed or bloood sucking producers has a cost, its not for free.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: The True Adonis on November 07, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
 ???
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 07, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
???

I work as private computer guy.  I am betting you work for government adonis?
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 07, 2012, 09:14:51 PM




jill has no idea of producing something and then owning it

nope

just anything she wants she steals from whoever, fuck em

free education justified by GI bill??? WTF???
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: garebear on November 07, 2012, 09:26:30 PM
You work as a "private computer guy" and you can't post a valid youtube link?

The money must be rolling in!

WWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: sync pulse on November 08, 2012, 01:27:16 AM
This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

Unions have been an important reason for the expansion of the Middle Class.  With the emasculation of Unions in the private sector since the 1970's came the erosion of the well being of "Middle America."
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: sync pulse on November 08, 2012, 01:41:04 AM

Subsidized college educations justified by contributions to American society by educated citizens...
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: WOOO on November 08, 2012, 02:46:26 AM
Here are some comparisons for household incomes worldwide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income)



Here is a list of the happiest countries in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index)



money is irrelevant

find someone to love and and live a happy life



excessive capitalism is bad for your health
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: mogulgangi on November 08, 2012, 05:08:17 AM
They all work at welfare jobs. 

They think that the propsperity capitalism gives is blood to suck and that they deserve something simply for showing up and exisitng.

The more we saddle producers with blood sucking the poorer we all get despite technological progress made mostly by non government private research.

If we simply said no debt spending we would all feel the crushing taxes needed to spend this much on cronies and welfare jobs.

Since the fed exists and we can run dificits, a politicians dream come true, they can overspend and the inflate with fed and push off the inevitable problem until they retire and leave the hot potato to the next guy.

This is all democrats do.

Peter drucker showed in his books how the modern managed corporation is really the only way known to produce anything.

Marx couldnt see this since they didn't exist until after marx.

They key distinction to make is that not all jobs are productive jobs.

Government jobs are welfare jobs since they are inevitable higher paid than they produce.  They also have a nasty feature of you can't fire the stinkers.

This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

USA has the odd feature that we have the easiest life on the planet yet everyone thinks life is tuff and the rich don't pay them enough.

When people come here from north korea its like WOW, or from China...

There an engineer gets $200 a month with phd.

People are simply used to being lazy, and vote to keep thier welfare jobs, but printing money at fed or bloood sucking producers has a cost, its not for free.

Very well saiid...the problem now in America is that the same people that put us in this mess; the lazy, the ones who took out all the bad loans, and goverment workers now want further assistance..Americans would love socialism because its easy....democrats up top have infiltrated the minds of these people for the sake of winning elections and made them believe they are prvaleged for everything..I mean, there  are gov jobs that pay from health insurance to ffunded retirements..these same loonies who get these amazing benefits want more and keep blaming the rich..the bitch who won the Massachusetts seat wants to spill the blood of the rich...I don't understand how people can listenm to her..obama has taken advantage of a lot of gulliible voters to make all this happen
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on November 08, 2012, 06:28:36 AM
They all work at welfare jobs. 

They think that the propsperity capitalism gives is blood to suck and that they deserve something simply for showing up and exisitng.

The more we saddle producers with blood sucking the poorer we all get despite technological progress made mostly by non government private research.

If we simply said no debt spending we would all feel the crushing taxes needed to spend this much on cronies and welfare jobs.

Since the fed exists and we can run dificits, a politicians dream come true, they can overspend and the inflate with fed and push off the inevitable problem until they retire and leave the hot potato to the next guy.

This is all democrats do.

Peter drucker showed in his books how the modern managed corporation is really the only way known to produce anything.

Marx couldnt see this since they didn't exist until after marx.

They key distinction to make is that not all jobs are productive jobs.

Government jobs are welfare jobs since they are inevitable higher paid than they produce.  They also have a nasty feature of you can't fire the stinkers.

This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

USA has the odd feature that we have the easiest life on the planet yet everyone thinks life is tuff and the rich don't pay them enough.

When people come here from north korea its like WOW, or from China...

There an engineer gets $200 a month with phd.

People are simply used to being lazy, and vote to keep thier welfare jobs, but printing money at fed or bloood sucking producers has a cost, its not for free.



 ::)
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Shockwave on November 08, 2012, 06:54:50 AM
Here are some comparisons for household incomes worldwide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income)



Here is a list of the happiest countries in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index)



money is irrelevant

find someone to love and and live a happy life



excessive capitalism is bad for your health

You'll excuse me if I don't believe that Vietnam and Cuba are some of the happiest places on the planet.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 08, 2012, 07:19:11 AM

 ::)

When you realize this is the truth and that some people are building cyclotrons not studying sociology or thinking placing tiles is real work.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: The True Adonis on November 08, 2012, 08:17:03 AM
When you realize this is the truth and that some people are building cyclotrons not studying sociology or thinking placing tiles is real work.
No such thing as a Republican Scientist.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 08, 2012, 09:22:06 AM
No such thing as a Republican Scientist.

Oxymoron alert.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 08, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
Unions have been an important reason for the expansion of the Middle Class.  With the emasculation of Unions in the private sector since the 1970's came the erosion of the well being of "Middle America."

I don't believe unions serve any real purpose anymore. In fact, Ford shut their plant down in Norfolk for that reason. People came in as assembly line workers for $17.89 an hour. Ford told them to take a paycut, UAW said no, so Ford closed the plant. Just saying.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: sync pulse on November 08, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
I don't believe unions serve any real purpose anymore. In fact, Ford shut their plant down in Norfolk for that reason. People came in as assembly line workers for $17.89 an hour. Ford told them to take a paycut, UAW said no, so Ford closed the plant. Just saying.

Completely, totally, and profoundly wrong.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: WOOO on November 08, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
You'll excuse me if I don't believe that Vietnam and Cuba are some of the happiest places on the planet.


i've been to cuba 23 times...

they're pretty happy...

they live longer and healthier lives than most american'ts and cuba is essentially a 3rd world country
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 08, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
Completely, totally, and profoundly wrong.

Not attacking because I live in a right to work state and don't deal with unions,  can you explain it to me? I have bid work up north, and had to call local unions for equipment operators, tit for tat for my guys. How does that promote healthy business?  I already have to deal with Davis Bacon for my federal jobs, but it doesn't matter as I pay my guys more anyway. I just don't see the point anymore, we're not in the 1920's.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 09, 2012, 08:18:40 AM
Not attacking because I live in a right to work state and don't deal with unions,  can you explain it to me? I have bid work up north, and had to call local unions for equipment operators, tit for tat for my guys. How does that promote healthy business?  I already have to deal with Davis Bacon for my federal jobs, but it doesn't matter as I pay my guys more anyway. I just don't see the point anymore, we're not in the 1920's.

bump for discussion
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Mr. Magoo on November 09, 2012, 08:52:20 AM
Looks like 3333 didn't leave.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 09, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
remember science is useless until you implement something

most inventions come from and individual alone or in a corporation

rarely by government

henry ford was not a government burocrat

nor was linus torvalds
Title: tax policy of the USA
Post by: magikusar on November 09, 2012, 10:40:39 AM
I love www.fairtax.org

Tax what you want less of.

So tax
TV
cigareetes
movies
rap

would seem logical.

Now we tax
payroll aka paying people.
income aka making money aka producing
investing aka cap gains aka letting money be available for new business and production
death aka you worked all your life and they take it at the end???? wtf
houses aka private property aka what the hell???

instead tax buying stuff
www.fairtax.org (http://www.fairtax.org)

Want the rich to REALLY pay more?  Tax them on thier jet, rolls, and diamonds!!!
Title: Magikusar Ramblings
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 05:14:13 AM
oh we will mr debtspend crony oh we will!!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/14/obama-challenges-republicans-hammerin (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/14/obama-challenges-republicans-hammerin)
Title: Re: Obama tells Republicans to 'go after me' on Libya, claims Rice had 'nothing to d
Post by: Benny B on November 15, 2012, 06:06:34 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410593.0;attach=453555;image)
Title: Re: Obama tells Republicans to 'go after me' on Libya, claims Rice had 'nothing to d
Post by: _bruce_ on November 15, 2012, 06:07:49 AM
Dude should challenge good old Ben.
Title: Re: Obama tells Republicans to 'go after me' on Libya, claims Rice had 'nothing to d
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 07:00:47 AM
I am guna be really squaking when tax go up with obama tax hikes next year
Title: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 09:04:22 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/thanks-barack-obamacare-will-add-3-8-medicare-tax-on-sales-of-homes-condos-townhouses-and-rentals/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/thanks-barack-obamacare-will-add-3-8-medicare-tax-on-sales-of-homes-condos-townhouses-and-rentals/)
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Straw Man on November 15, 2012, 09:11:24 AM
you actually own property ?

I can't believe there is anyone left in the country that still believes this myth

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/04/02/there-is-no-obamacare-tax-on-most-home-sales-really/

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-percent-sales-tax-on-your-home/
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: War-Horse on November 15, 2012, 09:53:49 AM
Majik, 33333 and coach.   Why dont you start checking facts before you post.  You Intentionally lie when you post propaganda....is this a christian teaching?    Use factcheck.org even when it tells you your wrong....you'll look smarter actually.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
Majik, 33333 and coach.   Why dont you start checking facts before you post.  You Intentionally lie when you post propaganda....is this a christian teaching?    Use factcheck.org even when it tells you your wrong....you'll look smarter actually.

if you make more than 200k on the sale you py 3.8% tax.  This is accurate. 
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Shockwave on November 15, 2012, 10:31:09 AM
if you make more than 200k on the sale you py 3.8% tax.  This is accurate. 
Well that's perfectly fine because if you make over 200k you're rich and you can afford it.  :D
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Straw Man on November 15, 2012, 10:57:55 AM
if you make more than 200k on the sale you py 3.8% tax.  This is accurate. 

Wrong again....as usual

The current rule which excludes taxes on the first 250k in net profit  for individuals and 500k for couples for primary residences still applies
Title: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 11:10:47 AM
have an honest conversation about how overpaid union people are vis a vis thier production

www.mises.org

(http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/aryane-steinkopf-overdose-24.jpeg)
Title: Re: how about we end all pensions and simply talk about high costs of unions
Post by: tbombz on November 15, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
Its up to the owners of business to decide what an employee is worth. Not you.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 15, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
correct.  if its your primary residence this Obama tax is a great problem to have.  however if you have a rental property you want to unload and you barely manage to eek out a profit on the sale, those exclusions do not apply and you have to pay the tax.  so thats kind of bullshit but a lot of people make a real big deal out of nothing.   its not that bad of a tax.  but remember.  no single tax is ever going to be increased by a large amount.  government bleeds you slowly.  it's never one big wound.  it's a lot of little ones over a long period of time.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Straw Man on November 15, 2012, 03:02:55 PM
correct.  if its your primary residence this Obama tax is a great problem to have.  however if you have a rental property you want to unload and you barely manage to eek out a profit on the sale, those exclusions do not apply and you have to pay the tax.  so thats kind of bullshit but a lot of people make a real big deal out of nothing.   its not that bad of a tax.  but remember.  no single tax is ever going to be increased by a large amount.  government bleeds you slowly.  it's never one big wound.  it's a lot of little ones over a long period of time.

the exclusion of the first 250k profit for single or 500k for couple only ever applied to primary residecnce

in the example you gave, if you sell a rental and make a small profit you have the normal capital gains tax and you would only be subject to the addtional tax if you AGI > 200k
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: GigantorX on November 15, 2012, 03:30:00 PM
correct.  if its your primary residence this Obama tax is a great problem to have.  however if you have a rental property you want to unload and you barely manage to eek out a profit on the sale, those exclusions do not apply and you have to pay the tax.  so thats kind of bullshit but a lot of people make a real big deal out of nothing.   its not that bad of a tax.  but remember.  no single tax is ever going to be increased by a large amount.  government bleeds you slowly.  it's never one big wound.  it's a lot of little ones over a long period of time.

Very true.
Title: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 04:45:34 PM
 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/fox-anchor-suspended-calling-rachel-maddow-angry-young-man-article-1.1201800#ixzz2CLGHy0Iv
 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/fox-anchor-suspended-calling-rachel-maddow-angry-young-man-article-1.1201800#ixzz2CLGHy0Iv)
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: 240 is Back on November 15, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

maddow is actually the best at what she does.
Title: post office 16B loss in 1 year? how? pensions
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
gota get rida post office n gov worker pensions ith unlimited health care

not earned

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20121115post-office-finances.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20121115post-office-finances.html)
Title: Re: post office 16B loss in 1 year? how? pensions
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 15, 2012, 05:19:20 PM
Privatize that shit, or poach a CEO from FedEx to get that shit profitable.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 06:47:13 PM
right

at being a foam at the mouth left wing extremeist bimbo

yep
Title: Re: how about we end all pensions and simply talk about high costs of unions
Post by: magikusar on November 15, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
I would be ok if only it was. 


As it is, the government forces biz to deal with union.

Those laws should be wiped away.

Dems fight right to work in each state.

damage unioins cause to economy is catastrofic, without them we would have mass porduced housing and atomic powered electric megatrains long ago.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: WOOO on November 15, 2012, 06:51:48 PM
american'ts amuse me
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: Parker on November 15, 2012, 07:02:37 PM
right

at being a foam at the mouth left wing extremeist bimbo

yep
Ok Rush go and smash a few oxys and chill.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 15, 2012, 07:04:12 PM
Madcow is a disgusting radical lezbo butch commie
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: doison on November 15, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
How old is he? 
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 15, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
I'd honestly rather watch that scary nun with the eye patch than Maddow.

 :-X

Title: Re: Obama tells Republicans to 'go after me' on Libya, claims Rice had 'nothing to d
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 15, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
People will "go after you" when you start actually answering direct questions and stop making up absurd excuses.  You don't need months of investigating to find out what happened when you watched the attack in real time.  Why did you order assets in the area to "stand down" and not help Americans that were under attack.  If it wasn't you that made that decision, then who the f**k was it?  It's a simple question.    
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: POB on November 15, 2012, 11:04:25 PM
Wrong again....as usual

The current rule which excludes taxes on the first 250k in net profit  for individuals and 500k for couples for primary residences still applies

This is correct...
Title: Re: post office 16B loss in 1 year? how? pensions
Post by: POB on November 15, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
gota get rida post office n gov worker pensions ith unlimited health care

not earned

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20121115post-office-finances.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/free/20121115post-office-finances.html)

What do you do for work?
Title: Re: how about we end all pensions and simply talk about high costs of unions
Post by: tbombz on November 16, 2012, 12:13:50 AM
The government forces business to do what exacly?  Protecting the right to unionize doesn't mean emloyers have t comply with union demands.
Title: Re: Obama tells Republicans to 'go after me' on Libya, claims Rice had 'nothing to d
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 02:45:06 AM
obama a moron and unions cheated to get him re elected

high taxes n inflation ahead
Title: outwork at productive work others is not that hard
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 02:53:05 AM
stop whinign about your welfare jobs

out produce the next guy

same as iron game

take things seriously

stay till 8pm

if you think you get ahead waltzing in 40 hours 9 to 6 and hoem you are dreaming

any success does 100 hours productive work a week

difference is in usa there is enough capital from little capitalist freedom to let you shine when you do

dont work at a welfare job aka governmetn job

there is no bs of fortune or anything

people come here with nothing and work liek that and get rich

if you work hard and productively you will make shitlaod of money, then simply avoid moving in or mararige and dont overspend and bam you are a success

idiots liek obama take more and more from productive guy and give to loafer, that is unsustainable, and destroys the buildup of capital that lets each be more productive

same as iron game, even with juice years of sustained effort is only way

dont give in to the bs and think 40 hours of just showing up and grumpily pluggin away at welfare job will do anything it wont

Title: more soros crony endgame, print money, buy gold, this is how he does it
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 02:58:04 AM
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Soros-Bacon-Gold-prices/2012/11/15/id/464344 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Soros-Bacon-Gold-prices/2012/11/15/id/464344)
Title: Re: post office 16B loss in 1 year? how? pensions
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Privatize that shit, or poach a CEO from FedEx to get that shit profitable.

fedex was beating ups and obama forced it to unionize
Title: Bernanke: Tight Lending Standards Restrain Housing Revival UH 2008 asshole!
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 03:02:07 AM
http://www.moneynews.com/FinanceNews/fed-bernanke-housing-homes/2012/11/15/id/464308 (http://www.moneynews.com/FinanceNews/fed-bernanke-housing-homes/2012/11/15/id/464308)

ben people get that fed fannie and bill clintons rule that gov must lend to poor idiots who wont pay caused 2008

you bearded idiot
Title: Re: how about we end all pensions and simply talk about high costs of unions
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 03:05:54 AM
The government forces business to do what exacly?  Protecting the right to unionize doesn't mean emloyers have t comply with union demands.

no the gov forces fedex and othe to unionize


dems fight right to work where you must re ratify the union each year and have nameles votes every step

do you get that unions are governmetn forced??? they are not voluntary
Title: Maine Republican chairman questions black voters, lol u commies guna love this
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 03:23:19 AM
http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine-Republican-chairman-questions-black-voters-.html (http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine-Republican-chairman-questions-black-voters-.html)

I have been in Maine and there are 0 black people.

So this guy is rational yet commies scream for his resignation for questioning this rationally.

Makes me wonder how many 1000s were bussed in by unions to swing states.
remember obama neede donyl 333,000 swing state votes total to secure the presidentcy.

kinda funny eh 333333?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency)
Title: Re: Maine Republican chairman questions black voters, lol u commies guna love this
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 04:24:30 AM
http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine-Republican-chairman-questions-black-voters-.html (http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine-Republican-chairman-questions-black-voters-.html)

I have been in Maine and there are 0 black people.

So this guy is rational yet commies scream for his resignation for questioning this rationally.

Makes me wonder how many 1000s were bussed in by unions to swing states.
remember obama neede donyl 333,000 swing state votes total to secure the presidentcy.

kinda funny eh 333333?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/333-000-Votes-in-4-Swing-States-Would-Have-Given-Romney-the-Presidency)

Its a GOP member that calls for his resignation try reading what you post
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: chadstallion on November 16, 2012, 06:30:47 AM
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

maddow is actually the best at what she does.
true dat.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: chadstallion on November 16, 2012, 06:31:22 AM
I'd honestly rather watch that scary nun with the eye patch than Maddow.

 :-X


and so you are welcome to do that! god bless america. ;)
Title: mccain nor bush are president dems, so lets talk about obama tax hikes
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:58:51 AM
shall we?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49842457 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49842457)
Title: Re: Maine Republican chairman questions black voters, lol u commies guna love this
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:59:49 AM
shut up commy moron

dont try n misdirect

read the post

unions truck in blacks to illegally vote is the point
Title: Union makes Hostess Brands lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 07:05:38 AM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/NATL-Twinkies-Maker-Hostess-Going-Out-of-Business-179643161.html)

thanks obama!!

another bullet point on your resume after unionizing fedex!!!

destroying production by blood sucking and giving to loafers by using governmetn rule threats and laws to enslave producers

anyone thinking unions happen spontaneously and are not massively governmetn enforced think again

unions are fine if free

100% of unions today use government to enforce union stuff on producers

if not producers and unions have to co operate

no unions wana dictate

yes this is second post but this is different theme than 333
Title: Re: Maine Republican chairman questions black voters, lol u commies guna love this
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
shut up commy moron

dont try n misdirect

read the post

unions truck in blacks to illegally vote is the point

Lol

Were are you from?
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: Montague on November 16, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
I'm no fan of Maddow, but this was a stupid and classless thing to do.
She admits that she knew what she was saying and is unapologetic.

It was probably some lame attempt to get some publicity in hopes of landing a gig on FOX News.
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
see, I view this as the market doing what the market does.

If you want cheap junk food cakes, Little Debbie is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of Hostess cakes.

If you want quality junk food, Entemanns is about the same price as hostess but way more quality.

Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 10:04:52 AM
Maddow states the facts in a clear way. Nice to watch.
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: MCWAY on November 16, 2012, 10:06:20 AM
Not to mention McKee, the company that owns Little Debbie, employs a lot of kids, working their way through college (in particular, a small Christian college just outside Chattanooga).
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: pedro01 on November 16, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
It is true that this is the market doing what it does.

Unions wanted too much. Company closed down. Employees now get nothing.

The problems is not that the market sorts things out, it does that. The issue is the amount of pain you go through when the market does sort these things out.

Still, people in positions of power - union bosses for instance, seem to have a fairly tenuous grip on reality not to mention the fact that they aren't the ones that will be scrambling for jobs next month.
Title: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
just wondering
Title: Looks like Obama doctoring records on benghazi and controlling testimony
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:50:08 AM
http://mrctv.org/videos/king-petraeus-said-cias-talking-points-were-edited-play-down-terrorism (http://mrctv.org/videos/king-petraeus-said-cias-talking-points-were-edited-play-down-terrorism)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-knew-almost-immediately-al-qaeda-linked-group-responsible-benghazi_663458.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-knew-almost-immediately-al-qaeda-linked-group-responsible-benghazi_663458.html)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/petraeus-to-testify-knew-libya-was-terrorism-from-start-source-says/)
Title: Eric Holder, Obama’s albatross
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eric-holder-obamas-albatross/2011/10/10/gIQA5u8IaL_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eric-holder-obamas-albatross/2011/10/10/gIQA5u8IaL_story.html)
Title: Re: Looks like Obama doctoring records on benghazi and controlling testimony
Post by: Necrosis on November 16, 2012, 10:52:52 AM
Fox news is awesome.
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:53:27 AM
see, I view this as the market doing what the market does.

If you want cheap junk food cakes, Little Debbie is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of Hostess cakes.

If you want quality junk food, Entemanns is about the same price as hostess but way more quality.



a free market does not have government interfearance

you get that the government makes companies do things they woudlnt have to for the union right?

in a fair interaction the union and corp would have to compromise but in reality government is used to force the corp to do things and pay way over markat rates as well as agree to higgen unlimited ballon pensions?

do you get that?
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2012, 10:54:43 AM
a free market does not have government interfearance

agreed.  But in the USA, we do not have a completely free market.  There is govt interference in every industry at every level.  Some have more regulations than others - but we don't have a true free market here.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2012, 10:56:28 AM
If the Republicans stay on their current path, I'd say the odds were quite high.

As long as people are reasonable intelligent, and flexible enough to alter course in the face of new evidence, negotiation & compromise are possible, ...even a change of MO, just like we saw here in Canada when the Liberals went on a brutal take no prisoners approach to cutting government spending & slashing the deficit. Let me tell you that was a hard road to take, ...to remain socially left, while maintaining fiscally right policies.

Jindahl could cross the aisle, and become a star. He could be "the man who talked some fiscal sense into the Democrats" I can see the narratives now...  :P

 
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:11:45 AM
Yeah I mean jindal is kinda being an idiot here complaining about his own party.

Republicans must strongly and clearly say lower spending is how you fix a deficit, opposite of obama.

Chris Christie did it and so did Scott Walker and hek Reagan, so Christie Walker 2016 will be nice.
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:14:44 AM
the lack of free makret is why we have boom n bust as government guide investments with fals einfo to bad ends

you get that 2008 was clinton saying give poor who dont pay must get loan to fannie combined with fed

wall street flowed from that


fannie freddy 95% of mortgages, and backed by you and me the taxpayer :)

also never forget obama had dem house and senate in 2008 to stop all bailouts but hek he went widl instead and fed printed us to +9T debt from 2008 s 8T so now we got 17T

no bialouts no problem banks outa aig outa biz and bam assets bought by resosnsable biz and bam we back in 1 year

nope we took lost decade japan and fdr foolish route

fdr caused the depression to grwo into grea tdepression with same methods

remember great grwoth after ww2 was ending all the gov spending from war

gov spending went down 80%
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
Maddow states the facts in a clear way. Nice to watch.

nah shes a lying left wing nut who makes thnigs up nonstop in vein of jon stewart

madcow is not to be taken seriously

so she has basket weaving degree from whateve, she has neve had to produce in real world, so to hell with her
Title: Re: Looks like Obama doctoring records on benghazi and controlling testimony
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:24:29 AM
read the link b4 you judge
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 16, 2012, 11:29:56 AM
nah shes a lying left wing nut who makes thnigs up nonstop in vein of jon stewart

madcow is not to be taken seriously

so she has basket weaving degree from whateve, she has neve had to produce in real world, so to hell with her

Really?  And Rush and Beck have a degree from where again?  Dropout U?
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 16, 2012, 11:33:51 AM
Obama fighting the obesity levels in the Bible belt regions it appears....

Seriously though, Little Debbie knocks spots all Hostess all day long.  Their Zebra cakes are awesome.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 16, 2012, 11:34:47 AM
Yeah I mean jindal is kinda being an idiot here complaining about his own party.

Republicans must strongly and clearly say lower spending is how you fix a deficit, opposite of obama.

Chris Christie did it and so did Scott Walker and hek Reagan, so Christie Walker 2016 will be nice.

Oh if that the signal, then about half of all Repubs will be Dems now.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Well you sound like a commy.

Idiots? Look at the dems?  99% are   only kucinich is vagely cool

Remember many people in this country still believe in capitalism and that 2008 was due to government.

:)
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 16, 2012, 11:43:18 AM
Well you sound like an idiot.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
Yeah I mean jindal is kinda being an idiot here complaining about his own party.

Republicans must strongly and clearly say lower spending is how you fix a deficit, opposite of obama.

Chris Christie did it and so did Scott Walker and hek Reagan, so Christie Walker 2016 will be nice.

I have told you this several times.

Republicans = wars, tax cuts & increased military spending.

Republicans spends far more than dem
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2012, 11:52:33 AM
d
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 12:02:10 PM
obama and government destroyed the jobs by forcing corp outa biz with union
Title: Without the fed, and with balanced budget how high would obama obama taxes be?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 12:20:52 PM
just thinking of the nuclear wasteland usa would be if the daamge coulnt be hidden by the fed, and deficit spending each year of 1T ++

wow

like a bomb hit usa

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/16/lawsuit-alleges-corruption-and-negligence-at-department-of-energy/ (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/16/lawsuit-alleges-corruption-and-negligence-at-department-of-energy/)

Title: as government strangles business, Atlas shrugged will come to pass
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
WATCH

http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shrugged-Part-1/dp/B0064J6RU8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353098110&sr=8-1&keywords=atlas+shrugged+part+1 (http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Shrugged-Part-1/dp/B0064J6RU8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353098110&sr=8-1&keywords=atlas+shrugged+part+1)
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: chadstallion on November 16, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
Really?  And Rush and Beck have a degree from where again?  Dropout U?
one was a sports broadcaster and the other a Top 40 dee jay.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 16, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
one was a sports broadcaster and the other a Top 40 dee jay.

Both professions that really require a good education.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
no republicans = less gov spending, allowing biz to grow

dems = high gov spending and money down the drain and huge deficits, with biz strangled like hostess
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 01:48:54 PM
no republicans = less gov spending, allowing biz to grow

dems = high gov spending and money down the drain and huge deficits, with biz strangled like hostess

How is increased military spending= less spending?
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 01:51:06 PM
no no LOWER SPENDING

lower military too

obama spent more on military than bush you know that right?

and remember defense is 14% of GDP and invents everything (https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:17,18,14,14,12,5,5,2,7,6&chl=Pensions%2017%|Health%20Care%2018%|Education%2014%|Defense%2014%|Welfare%2012%|Protection%205%|Transportation%205%|General%20Government%202%|Other%20Spending%207%|Interest%206%&chtt=Total%20Spending%20for%20United%20States%20-%20FY%202013)
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
no no LOWER SPENDING

lower military too

obama spent more on military than bush you know that right?

and remember defense is 14% of GDP and invents everything (https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:17,18,14,14,12,5,5,2,7,6&chl=Pensions%2017%|Health%20Care%2018%|Education%2014%|Defense%2014%|Welfare%2012%|Protection%205%|Transportation%205%|General%20Government%202%|Other%20Spending%207%|Interest%206%&chtt=Total%20Spending%20for%20United%20States%20-%20FY%202013)

All the things on that list is what makes a country great.
You want to cut those just to put some cash in rich peoples pockets?
Title: Obama tax tidal wave hitting jan 1, many making big ticket purchases now
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 01:57:22 PM
wise to do so before obama hikes taxes to the moon with the obama tax hike disguised as expiring bush cut

combined with megataxes of obama cre on air travel house sales etc.

woo wee

http://www.doublebarreledopinions.com/100.htm (http://www.doublebarreledopinions.com/100.htm)
Title: 50,000 troops still in iraq, so war not over apparently
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 02:10:58 PM
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-troops-are-still-in-iraq (http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many-troops-are-still-in-iraq)
Title: Re: Obama tax tidal wave hitting jan 1, many making big ticket purchases now
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Yes. Millionaires everywhere are skipping lunch that day to pay the tax.  Dont worry skippy you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 02:25:32 PM
She lists both aspects of a story and gives a history of it. Shes not hiding parts like the limbaughs/hannitys do.

Good to watch if you want the truth on a subject.  Then after I have the facts i turn to watch fux news for the spin and comedy of it.
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: blacken700 on November 16, 2012, 03:56:14 PM
Obama fighting the obesity levels in the Bible belt regions it appears....

Seriously though, Little Debbie knocks spots all Hostess all day long.  Their Zebra cakes are awesome.

you have to be kidding,little debbie are the wrost of the worst,all their shit tastes the same just different shapes ,cheap price and you can tell with your first bite 
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: polychronopolous on November 16, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
you have to be kidding,little debbie are the wrost of the worst,all their shit tastes the same just different shapes ,cheap price and you can tell with your first bite 

Yeah bro but it's only like a quarter! Tough to beat that!
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 05:55:01 PM
Really?  And Rush and Beck have a degree from where again?  Dropout U?

I do have a degree from a top 20 university yes and I am very very educated despite it!!

Like mark twain I never let my schooling interfere with my education.

Oh and bill gates does not have a college degree you dipshit.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 05:55:36 PM
by the way George Bush had a MBA harvard.

:)

way above the basket weaving bs madcow has
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: whork on November 16, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
by the way George Bush had a MBA harvard.

:)

way above the basket weaving bs madcow has

Yeah and look at the mess he left ::)
Title: Obama lowering standard of living for common man and middle class
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
Higher prices for houses caused by fed and inflation and higher prices of good from obamacare and forced unionization of firms such as fedex means shrinking purchasing power for the middle class and poor.

Cornies like mcdonalds that get to opt out of obamacare are winners, with a waiver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act)

Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:27:17 PM
Obama could have stopped all bailouts with dem house and senate.

Coulda let AIG eat it.

Nothing bad woulda happened.

and note the fed fannie and clinton era policy of must give loan to poor guy who wont make payments = 2008

not anything bush did

when you let GM and banks go outa biz the good banks who werent bastards buy thier offices and asses and any recession goen in 1 year.  We would be kicking ass economically if Obama had done so.

instead Obama slapped 17T deficit on us.

bam!
Title: “I promise if you elect me I will conduct my affairs ethically, transparently an
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Obama won't even release his college admissions and law school admissions papers and grades for both lol


transparent!!


bhengazi!!


fast and furious!!  lol

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Obama-Corruption-Battles-Will-Continue (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Obama-Corruption-Battles-Will-Continue)
Title: college as a place where ideas are discussed: not fordham, ann coulter EVIL!!!
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/15/Fordham-President-Launches-War-on-Ann-Coulter-Suppresses-Freedom-of-Speech-on-Campus (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/15/Fordham-President-Launches-War-on-Ann-Coulter-Suppresses-Freedom-of-Speech-on-Campus)
Title: Re: Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:53:15 PM
unions cause unemployment?

WHO KNEW?

next you will say they hamper technological advance!!
Title: The Tea Party is the only thing that stands between liberty and tyranny
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 06:55:20 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Mark-Levin-Tea-Party-Only-Thing-That-Stands-Between-Liberty-And-Tyranny (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Mark-Levin-Tea-Party-Only-Thing-That-Stands-Between-Liberty-And-Tyranny)
Title: Re: Union makes Hostess Brands lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 16, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
 :D
Title: Re: college as a place where ideas are discussed: not fordham, ann coulter EVIL!!!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 16, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
Fordham is in the Bronx two minutes from me and used to be a conservative Jesuit bastion but now went to shit just like the Marist Bros and Irish Bros. 
Title: Re: “I promise if you elect me I will conduct my affairs ethically, transparently an
Post by: WOOO on November 16, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
(http://powip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/obama_awesome.png)
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
Obama could have stopped all bailouts with dem house and senate.

Coulda let AIG eat it.

Nothing bad woulda happened.

and note the fed fannie and clinton era policy of must give loan to poor guy who wont make payments = 2008

not anything bush did

when you let GM and banks go outa biz the good banks who werent bastards buy thier offices and asses and any recession goen in 1 year.  We would be kicking ass economically if Obama had done so.

instead Obama slapped 17T deficit on us.

bam!


I see 17 incorrect statements.  To find the correct answers re-read all my past posts.
Title: Re: “I promise if you elect me I will conduct my affairs ethically, transparently an
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
Obama won't even release his college admissions and law school admissions papers and grades for both lol


transparent!!


bhengazi!!


fast and furious!!  lol

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Obama-Corruption-Battles-Will-Continue (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/Obama-Corruption-Battles-Will-Continue)


Why should he?  Where does it stop? You wanna see the shit stains in his underwear too....and then argue about it for years while the economy needs work. He fullfilled the requirements of tax returns 10x's better than twitt robme.
Title: Federal Reserve was creating another catastrophic financial bubble with attempts
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 07:52:22 PM
Federal Reserve was creating another catastrophic financial bubble with attempts to stimulate the economy

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/US-heading-for-another-crash--debt-crisis-looms--top-economists (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/US-heading-for-another-crash--debt-crisis-looms--top-economists)
Title: Re: “I promise if you elect me I will conduct my affairs ethically, transparently an
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
(http://powip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/obama_awesome.png)

awesome at creating debt!!!!

17T

2008=8T

+9 sofar!!!!
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 08:02:06 PM

I see 17 incorrect statements.  To find the correct answers re-read all my past posts.

no you are wrong and sound like a communist

remember reagan proved you all wrong in 80s  and he inherited a depression just like obama
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
no you are wrong and sound like a communist

remember reagan proved you all wrong in 80s  and he inherited a depression just like obama

I have guns and im pro life and not a communist.  Quit generalizing, majik and youll finally start to see reality...the good an the bad.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
I have guns and im pro life and not a communist.  Quit generalizing, majik and youll finally start to see reality...the good an the bad.

You have a lot to learn about economics and business.

Are you some kind of academic?

I reccomend tom wood and peter schiff on youtube as well as john allison for starters.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: avxo on November 16, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 16, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
You have a lot to learn about economics and business.

Are you some kind of academic?

I reccomend tom wood and peter schiff on youtube as well as john allison for starters.


LOL. Why would I care what a gimmick thinks about me......lol.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: garebear on November 16, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
by the way George Bush had a MBA harvard.

:)

way above the basket weaving bs madcow has
You never have any idea what you're talking about.

Have you ever heard of Google? Try using it sometime.

Maddow earned a degree in public policy from Stanford in 1994.[19] At graduation she was awarded the John Gardner Fellowship.[20] She was also the recipient of a Rhodes Scholarship and began her postgraduate study in 1995 at Lincoln College, Oxford. In 2001, she earned a Doctor of Philosophy (DPhil) in politics from Oxford University.[21] Her thesis is titled HIV/AIDS and Health Care Reform in British and American Prisons (supervisor: Dr Lucia Zedner). She was the first openly gay American to win a Rhodes scholarship.[22][23]

Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
You never have any idea what you're talking about.

Have you ever heard of Google? Try using it sometime.

Maddow earned a degree in public policy from Stanford in 1994.[19] At graduation she was awarded the John Gardner Fellowship.[20] She was also the recipient of a Rhodes Scholarship and began her postgraduate study in 1995 at Lincoln College, Oxford. In 2001, she earned a Doctor of Philosophy (DPhil) in politics from Oxford University.[21] Her thesis is titled HIV/AIDS and Health Care Reform in British and American Prisons (supervisor: Dr Lucia Zedner). She was the first openly gay American to win a Rhodes scholarship.[22][23]




basket weaving
Title: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:04:34 PM
I can't get a straight answer from my pal who liked free health care.

So how do you obama loving democrats answer this?

I see obamacare hiring 16,000 irs agents.

If it just gave 16,000 new docs scholarships and contract they must work in USA, I might be on board.

Make medicine cheaper and more plentiful.
Title: larouche seems friggin hilarious like nader - I like both more than obama
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:28:33 PM
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche)
Title: Re: larouche seems friggin hilarious like nader - I like both more than obama
Post by: magikusar on November 16, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
Therefore, in LaRouche's eyes, Obama is Hitler.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: avxo on November 16, 2012, 10:40:56 PM

basket weaving

A subject on which you are, no doubt, an expert.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: tbombz on November 16, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
Maddow is very good at what she does. Although she doesn't always seem to understand the core issues, she is probably better than any other network pundit
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: tbombz on November 16, 2012, 11:32:59 PM
Why not everything if something.   Yes.   A good point indeed. 
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: WOOO on November 17, 2012, 02:35:42 AM
Why not everything if something.   Yes.   A good point indeed. 


right... because a slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy  ::)

american'ts are a simple breed
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 02:49:34 AM
Yes, it's free healthcare and it's a tax.

We get it.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: chadstallion on November 17, 2012, 06:29:23 AM
Maddow is very good at what she does. Although she doesn't always seem to understand the core issues, she is probably better than any other network pundit
while i agree and appreciate your posting, please be ready to read lots of flaming on this topic now. ;) smart, lesbian women scare some o' these bois here.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 17, 2012, 07:06:19 AM
while i agree and appreciate your posting, please be ready to read lots of flaming on this topic now. ;) smart, lesbian women scare some o' these bois here.

Madcow is a radical commie lezbo.   She is not your typical crunchy short hair granola hairy butch type.
Title: Walker, deal and 3 other repub governors tell Obama you must setup exchanges
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 07:47:42 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/walker-obamacare-health-exchanges/2012/11/16/id/464516

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/walker-obamacare-health-exchanges/2012/11/16/id/464516 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/walker-obamacare-health-exchanges/2012/11/16/id/464516)
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 07:48:55 AM

basket weaving
What's your PhD in?

Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 07:54:05 AM
What's your PhD in?



yu can wipe your ass with 10 phd these days

moron krugman has a nobel as does moron obama

what business did you build???? welfare boy?
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: chadstallion on November 17, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
Madcow is a radical commie lezbo.   She is not your typical crunchy short hair granola hairy butch type.
glad to have ya back, bro!
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: garebear on November 17, 2012, 07:57:23 AM
yu can wipe your ass with 10 phd these days

moron krugman has a nobel as does moron obama

what business did you build???? welfare boy?
Haha. Now I see.

You can hardly put together a coherent sentence in your native language, so anyone with an education is a "basket-weaver".

Don't worry, champ. We all know you're superior to those "educated elitists".

You can calm down now.
Title: Alito: big corp newspapers/tv have free speech but not political donors, sneaky
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 08:06:26 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Supreme-Court-Alito/2012/11/17/id/464523 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Supreme-Court-Alito/2012/11/17/id/464523)

Alito rattled off the names of the nation's leading newspapers and television networks, all owned by corporations and possessing acknowledged rights to print and say what they wish about politics and government.

"The question is whether speech that goes to the very heart of government should be limited to certain preferred corporations; namely, media corporations," he said. "Surely the idea that the First Amendment protects only certain privileged voices should be disturbing to anybody who believes in free speech."


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Supreme-Court-Alito/2012/11/17/id/464523#ixzz2CUqqp8IU
Title: OBAMACARE COSTS: Medical Supply Giant Stryker Cuts 1,170 Jobs
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 08:20:25 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/medical-supply-giant-stryker-corp-makes-pre-emptive-strike-against-pending/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/medical-supply-giant-stryker-corp-makes-pre-emptive-strike-against-pending/)
Title: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 08:27:16 AM
http://www.atr.org/point-million-jobs-lost-under-obama-a3342 (http://www.atr.org/point-million-jobs-lost-under-obama-a3342)
Title: atomic power means we can forget israel and ask for all our tax money back
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 09:27:37 AM
israel is sand and usa welfare money

israel is armed by usa this is why they win any skirmishes

un should disarm israel and move jews out give back land to owners
Title: want jobs? stop penalizing business for hiring and paying people
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
seems simple

dems seem to ignore this
Title: Re: atomic power means we can forget israel and ask for all our tax money back
Post by: Thick Nick on November 17, 2012, 10:13:03 AM
israel is sand and usa welfare money

israel is armed by usa this is why they win any skirmishes

un should disarm israel and move jews out give back land to owners

Yesterday you were a right wing, go USA, fuck the Muslims guy... today you are pro palesterrorist and screw Isreal. Bipolar? Gimmick?
Title: Re: want jobs? stop penalizing business for hiring and paying people
Post by: Mr. Magoo on November 17, 2012, 10:13:52 AM
can't you keep all your mediocre thoughts to one thread?
Title: Re: want jobs? stop penalizing business for hiring and paying people
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 10:59:02 AM
Want jobs?  Tell Republicans to NOT block 51 jobs bills next time.
Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 11:10:39 AM
Lie.  You must be republican. Lying is easy for you.     4,237,000 jobs created during 2010-2012.  Not bad considering the party of NO was busy blocking 51 jobs bills to put America back to work.
Title: Re: Walker, deal and 3 other repub governors tell Obama you must setup exchanges
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 11:32:01 AM
Each state has three option. 1-Set up themselves.  2- work with fed on partnership.  3- Fed sets up for them.

Number 1-Is for states that dont love big goverment and want to do it themselves.

Number 2- Is for a lazy mix.

Number 3- Is for people that want other people to get sick and die.

Walker has said No to number 1.   Proving he wants Big goverment to take over for him.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 11:35:33 AM
Haha. Now I see.

You can hardly put together a coherent sentence in your native language, so anyone with an education is a "basket-weaver".

Don't worry, champ. We all know you're superior to those "educated elitists".

You can calm down now.


So true.  He's got to be a 33333 gimmick. The odds of 2 people being this dumb is crazy. :o
Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: Princess L on November 17, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
Lie.  You must be republican. Lying is easy for you.     4,237,000 jobs created during 2010-2012.  Not bad considering the party of NO was busy blocking 51 jobs bills to put America back to work.

So you're saying the United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics was lying?

CNN fact-checked the 4.5 million job creation claim and found it to be "not the whole picture." Instead, CNN found that there has been a net increase of just 300,000 nonfarm payroll jobs since Obama took office. And if you count government jobs, there are actually 400,000 fewer people working today than in January 2009.  The Bureau of Labor Statistics confirms that a lot of jobs have been created under Obama's leadership -- 4.4 million by the bureau's latest count. What Obama did not say, however, was that the nation shed 4.3 million jobs during the early days of his term, and that the net gain since he took the oath of office in January 2009 is just 125,000 jobs.



http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/03/politics/fact-check-jobs-economy/index.html

Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 11:46:13 AM
So you're saying the United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics was lying?

CNN fact-checked the 4.5 million job creation claim and found it to be "not the whole picture." Instead, CNN found that there has been a net increase of just 300,000 nonfarm payroll jobs since Obama took office. And if you count government jobs, there are actually 400,000 fewer people working today than in January 2009.  The Bureau of Labor Statistics confirms that a lot of jobs have been created under Obama's leadership -- 4.4 million by the bureau's latest count. What Obama did not say, however, was that the nation shed 4.3 million jobs during the early days of his term, and that the net gain since he took the oath of office in January 2009 is just 125,000 jobs.



http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/03/politics/fact-check-jobs-economy/index.html



Theres nothing he could do about the policies effects around him when the country was in a freefall.  Its commonly recognized that new policies take time to get hold...sometimes a year or more. Especially the previous one for Obama. Remember he was trying to get the republicans to work with him the first year and they were saying NO and their goal was to make him a one term president....all the while hell was breaking loose.
He managed to stop the bleeding and convinced the global economy we would recover...and saved the market.

2009. Bush policies coming to an end.  Obamas 2009 policies take effect in 2010. Thats just the way it is.
Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: POB on November 17, 2012, 11:56:06 AM
Theres nothing he could do about the policies effects around him when the country was in a freefall.  Its commonly recognized that new policies take time to get hold...sometimes a year or more. Especially the previous one for Obama. Remember he was trying to get the republicans to work with him the first year and they were saying NO and their goal was to make him a one term president....all the while hell was breaking loose.
He managed to stop the bleeding and convinced the global economy we would recover...and saved the market.

2009. Bush policies coming to an end.  Obamas 2009 policies take effect in 2010. Thats just the way it is.

All true, The bottom fell out and jobs were lost in 08, because of bush not Obama. I would like to have seen more from Obama, but I think he did better than an ok job for what he had to work with.
Title: Re: want jobs? stop penalizing business for hiring and paying people
Post by: POB on November 17, 2012, 12:05:00 PM
^ makes to much sense
Title: Re: OBAMACARE COSTS: Medical Supply Giant Stryker Cuts 1,170 Jobs
Post by: POB on November 17, 2012, 12:11:52 PM
If your gonna post 10 different topics site a news source other than fox...
Title: Mike Reagan on Benghazi: Media Needs to Focus on Deaths, Not Affairs Read Lates
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/reagan-benghazi-petraeus-libya/2012/11/16/id/464482 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/reagan-benghazi-petraeus-libya/2012/11/16/id/464482)
Title: now govt unions wana shut down LAX, what are we Italy? France?
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/thousands-of-lax-workers-set-for-walkout-on-thanksgiving-eve/)
Title: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/congress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/)
Title: Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts
Post by: WOOO on November 17, 2012, 02:40:31 PM
who cares spammer

more useless threads than falcon
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 17, 2012, 03:12:56 PM

So true.  He's got to be a 33333 gimmick. The odds of 2 people being this dumb is crazy. :o

Actually he comes across like a gimmick of the stupid ass SuckMyMuscle.  The only...and I mean ONLY.. person on this board that was a bigger fake than 333.

Maybe 1MR needs to be notified that his little bitch has resurfaced.
Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Just the facts mam!!!

2008=fed, fanny, clinton policy of give loan to lazy by law

socialism wont fix the problem of too much socialism.

Need to do opposite, cut spending by gov.

0 bailouts, let losers asset be bought by winner not the obama way other way aronud me and you bailout losers.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 03:35:23 PM

So true.  He's got to be a 33333 gimmick. The odds of 2 people being this dumb is crazy. :o

I am way smarter than you moronic democrats, thats for sure.

Madcow is a total bimbo with a basket weaving degree you can wipe your ass with.
Title: Re: Mike Reagan on Benghazi: Media Needs to Focus on Deaths, Not Affairs Read Lates
Post by: Necrosis on November 17, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
fuck you are mentally ill dude, how can you post this much?

bengahzi is a fictional account the gop are using to try to impeach obama. They are insane, there was many more similar attacks under bush with no issues. GOP just die already.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: avxo on November 17, 2012, 04:25:53 PM
I am way smarter than you moronic democrats, thats for sure.

If they're moronic, being "way smarter" than them doesn't say much...


Madcow is a total bimbo with a basket weaving degree you can wipe your ass with.

bim·bo/ˈbimbō/ N.:   derogatory. An attractive but empty-headed young woman, esp. one perceived as a willing sex object.

You consider Rachel Maddow attractive? As for her "basket weaving" degree, as I said, basket weaving is a subject that you are, undboubtedly, an expert.
Title: Re: 2.19 Million Jobs Lost Under Obama
Post by: Mr. Magoo on November 17, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
Just the facts mam!!!

2008=fed, fanny, clinton policy of give loan to lazy by law

socialism wont fix the problem of too much socialism.

Need to do opposite, cut spending by gov.

0 bailouts, let losers asset be bought by winner not the obama way other way aronud me and you bailout losers.

will you stop this childish libertarian rant? You keep posting the same bullshit lines on every thread. You sound like a 15 year old kid who watches too many ron paul youtube videos. Stop the mediocre one-liners and put some effort into it.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 04:56:25 PM
If they're moronic, being "way smarter" than them doesn't say much...


bim·bo/ˈbimbō/ N.:   derogatory. An attractive but empty-headed young woman, esp. one perceived as a willing sex object.

You consider Rachel Maddow attractive? As for her "basket weaving" degree, as I said, basket weaving is a subject that you are, undboubtedly, an expert.


if you find madcow attractive thats your gig, I personally think she IS and angery young man
Title: Re: Walker, deal and 3 other repub governors tell Obama you must setup exchanges
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
Each state has three option. 1-Set up themselves.  2- work with fed on partnership.  3- Fed sets up for them.

Number 1-Is for states that dont love big goverment and want to do it themselves.

Number 2- Is for a lazy mix.

Number 3- Is for people that want other people to get sick and die.

Walker has said No to number 1.   Proving he wants Big goverment to take over for him.

no
simpleton
Walker does not want Obamacare.
Title: Ok if it good to print 5T why not 50T? dems please explain
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 05:07:15 PM
I just hate contradictions.

I mean if its good to print 5T why not print 50T?

dems please explain

I have my own opinions but want to try to hear from the other side.
Title: no such thing as an estate aka death tax in china or russia
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 05:11:18 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/ranchers-farmers-brace-for-death-tax-impact/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/ranchers-farmers-brace-for-death-tax-impact/)
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: avxo on November 17, 2012, 05:54:18 PM
if you find madcow attractive thats your gig, I personally think she IS and angery young man

You're the one who called her a bimbo, so clearly you must think she is attractive, since by definition the word refers to someone attractive. Which I says says quite a lot about you. How long have you been attracted to young men for?
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 06:13:48 PM
don't get technical with me R2!!!
Title: Why is it ok to take the money Paris Hiltons dad earned?
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Rancher Kevin Kester works dawn to dusk, drives a 12-year-old pick-up truck and earns less than a typical bureaucrat in Washington D.C., yet the federal government considers him rich enough to pay the estate tax -- also known as the "death tax."

And with that tax set to soar at the beginning of 2013 without some kind of intervention from Congress, farmers and ranchers like Kester are waiting anxiously. 

"There is no way financially my kids can pay what the IRS is going to demand from them nine months after death and keep this ranch intact for their generation and future generations," said Kester, of the Bear Valley Ranch in Central California.

Two decades ago, Kester paid the IRS $2 million when he inherited a 22,000-acre cattle ranch from his grandfather. Come January, the tax burden on his children will be more than $13 million.

For supporters of a high estate tax, which is imposed on somebody's estate after death, Kester is the kind of person they rarely mention. He doesn't own a mansion. He's not the CEO of a multi-national. But because of his line of work, he owns a lot of property that would be subject to a lot of tax.

"Our number one goal is to repeal the estate tax, to get rid of it, not have it for every generation, when I die and my kids die and so on," he told Fox News. "For everyone to have to re-purchase the ranch or farm over and over for each generation, that's inherently unjust. So what we're doing is asking our politicians to understand that and repeal the estate tax."

That, however, is unlikely. Currently, the federal government taxes estates worth $5 million dollars and up at 35 percent. When the Bush-era tax rates expire in January, rates increase to 55 percent on estates of $1 million or more. While some Republicans want to eliminate the death tax entirely, President Obama has proposed a 45 percent rate on estates of $3.5 million and up.

"The idea behind the estate tax is to prevent the very wealthy among us from accumulating vast fortunes that they can pass along to the next generation," said Patrick Lester, director of Federal Fiscal Policy with the progressive think tank -- OMB Watch. "The poster child for the estate tax is Paris Hilton -- the celebrity and hotel heiress. That's who this is targeted at, not ordinary Americans."

But according to the American Farm Bureau, up to 97 percent of American farms and ranches will be subject to an estate tax where the exemption is set at $1 million. At that rate, the federal government will pocket $40 billion in 2013 and up to $86 billion in 2021. That contrasts with just $12 billion this year.

Many Democrats argue the tax promotes equality among classes, especially in capital gains -- or stocks passed from one generation to another. Since stocks are only taxed when they are sold, the government can't profit from long-term investments without the estate tax.

"Very large portions of very wealthy estates are tied up in stocks and they have never been taxed," said Lester. "The estate tax is one of the ways we make sure the wealthy pay a little bit more as an overall share of their wealth and income compared to low-income individuals."

Many Republicans argue the opposite. Because the estate tax falls on assets, they say it hampers investment by reducing incentives to save and invest. A pending estate tax could become a disincentive to invest in an otherwise viable business, forcing older people to liquidate or shift resources out of an ongoing business and into a trust or tax-free investment.

"We're not millionaires in the terms of making a million dollars a year," said Kester who lives in a modest home and whose family -- not outsiders or a corporation -- runs his ranch. "I have a half-a-million dollars in soil."

Kester can't spend it, without selling land. But by selling the land, each year the ranch would become less viable.

The estate tax dates back to 1916 when then-President Woodrow Wilson imposed the tax of 1 to 10 percent on the wealthy because World War I reduced federal government revenues. Under Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the tax rose to 77 percent, as Congress tried to prevent wealth from becoming concentrated among a few powerful and super-rich families.

Ironically, many nations historically more concerned with class and wealth -- namely Russia and China -- have since abandoned their estate taxes.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/16/ranchers-farmers-brace-for-death-tax-impact/#ixzz2CXKhNn3j
Title: $68 billion project california train
Post by: magikusar on November 17, 2012, 06:24:44 PM
wow

this is how gov people get rich

and union bosses

68,000  x 1,000,000

all to be done 10x as expensively as private could

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/16/judge-backs-california-high-speed-rail-over-farmers/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/16/judge-backs-california-high-speed-rail-over-farmers/?test=latestnews)
Title: Re: Walker, deal and 3 other repub governors tell Obama you must setup exchanges
Post by: War-Horse on November 17, 2012, 07:05:47 PM
no
simpleton
Walker does not want Obamacare.


Read the article. He doesnt want his state to do it. Which means he wants the federal goverment to do it for him...either way it'll happen and this shows he's for big Goverment...typical republican.

And your a tard.
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: tbombz on November 17, 2012, 08:22:41 PM

right... because a slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy  ::)

american'ts are a simple breed
  does that really fall underneath the category of a logical fallacy?  ??? 

 i was being half sarcastic in my comment.  i do think that one should be very cautious about considering the philosophical implications about the wide range of other issues that can be advocated for based on the reasoning one is using to justify some particular decision.

 but at the same time, i do realize that pragmatism and reasonability are certainly more important than being firm in your "principledness".
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on November 17, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
 does that really fall underneath the category of a logical fallacy?  ???  

 i was being half sarcastic in my comment. i do think that one should be very cautious about considering the philosophical implications about the wide range of other issues that can be advocated for based on the reasoning one is using to justify some particular decision.

 but at the same time, i do realize that pragmatism and reasonability are certainly more important than being firm in your "principledness".

Wow what a sentence... which says absolutely nothing.

In regards to this thread, the easiest reply would be: Whynot free housing? Ground it as a human right to own property, ala jeremy waldron/aristotle/hegel/etc and we're off to the races.
Title: Re: Question to getbig commies: Why not free house if free healthcare?
Post by: tbombz on November 17, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
i dont understand why you would belittle that comment of mine, unless you think its so obvious and such common sense that it need not be uttered? is that the case?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: garebear on November 18, 2012, 05:22:29 AM
Why hasn't this thread been properly named?

It should be "Magikusar's Big, Stupid Thread with all of his 'ideas'"
Title: Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts
Post by: Montague on November 18, 2012, 06:11:47 AM
who cares spammer

more useless threads than VOLAND, TALLGERMAN, LUNDGRENISGOD, etc...


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Title: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
I mean say you are a self taught computer engineer like myself who has done it for 14 years.

Is it lucky when I make more per hour than a cab driver?

If someone works 80 hours a week for a decade, is it lucky that they get paid and promoted more?

I know people love to say we are all the same.

That is true maybe at birth.

People have vastly varying productive output.

I think there is no problems with extremes of wealth as long as it is not crony gotten and it is earned.

Why?

Since when I choose to buy something good at a good price I benefit more than the money I fork over.

This seems lost on many people.

If both sides to voluntary trade dont benefit they wont make the trade!
Title: USA is further entering recession, unemplyment back over 8% debt growing
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 03:23:04 AM
look at the numbers

www.foxnews.com
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 03:26:03 AM
It has less to do with thinking the wealth was unearned and more to do with the marginal utility of extra wealth once you've passed a certain point and how much more valuable that same dollar is to a poor person.   Basically, the ends justify the means because of w utilitarian view of govenment.
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 03:30:18 AM
american'ts amuse me

canada will be crying when dems tax them for benefitting from USA military power

USA would do  lil better with 0 defense budget too

by the way single payer canada shows to be good system  is drowning in debt, how many more decades can it last?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 03:31:32 AM
why was my post re titled?

this is not cool
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 03:46:03 AM
It has less to do with thinking the wealth was unearned and more to do with the marginal utility of extra wealth once you've passed a certain point and how much more valuable that same dollar is to a poor person.   Basically, the ends justify the means because of w utilitarian view of govenment.

say what?
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 03:56:18 AM
Most democrats support redistribution because wealth beyond a certain point doesn't add much to a persons ability to pursue happiness and taking away that "excess" wealth that isn't very valuable to a wealthy person and giving it to programs that help the poor (who greatly value that wealth). Is a more efficient way of using that wealth to increase total prosperity among the masses its utilitarian.
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
persue happiness as youtube ayn rand shows means

you have right to freely trade, not to show up and demand a mansion
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:03:40 AM
you can't justify taking wealth from the one who produced it

if you do you not only give the producer no reason to continue, but you give to someone who did nothing, so everyone wants to join the nothing group
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
The foundation of modern government rests upon utilitarian principles that the common welfar is the goal of the state. Among what makes up welfar is freedom wealth health etc.  If you have to take a little bit of feedom and a little bit of wealth in order to gain a whole lot of welfare then the benefits outweigh the lossess.    I'm not saying I agree. I'm just saying.
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 04:07:46 AM
One can justify whatever one wishes.  Its up to consensus to determine what justifications are legitemate. In todays world the consensus is that robin hood had legitemate justification.
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:14:30 AM
Remeber this is why usa is a republic not a democracy.

in a democracy 51% can vote to execute 49%

this is bad

or as ben franklin said: two wolf and 1 lamb voting whats for dinner

liberty is well armed lamb arguing the vote

I love individual freedom and very limited government, same as founders.

This is secret to usa success.


The government schools slip in this idea that all wealth is owned by governmetn so now question is to how to distribute it.

It is not in my view.

Wealth is owned by the producer.

Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 04:20:21 AM
Republic is still subject to the will or the people.  Representatives are elected and can be voted out. Justices nominated by elected representatives. Constitutional amendments can be passed. In the end the majorit opinion always rules. And that's howqant government ought to work. Otherwiwe' who decides?  If not the people,  then which dictator or dictators?  You see?   
Title: Senate Committee to Investigate Benghazi ‘Talking Points’
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:22:12 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/us/politics/feinstein-to-investigate-benghazi-talking-points.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/us/politics/feinstein-to-investigate-benghazi-talking-points.html)

yes the obama coverup of what was clearly terrorism and failure to defend US diplomats lives goes on.
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:24:55 AM
Republic is still subject to the will or the people.  Representatives are elected and can be voted out. Justices nominated by elected representatives. Constitutional amendments can be passed. In the end the majorit opinion always rules. And that's howqant government ought to work. Otherwiwe' who decides?  If not the people,  then which dictator or dictators?  You see?   

The idea is that politicians are elected as represenatives.  A republic.  Not a dictator, not sure where you got that.  The idea was also dispersal of power.  3 braches balancing and most fo the power in the states.  The federal governmetn has grabbed way way too much power and money through the commerce clause and this is why all case law should be abolished.  Get back to constitution.  No more debt spending.  balanced budget.  no war without congressional approval etc.

bottom line: far far far less government spending

politicians with money=crony

remember 2008=fed fannie clinton rule to give loan not bush
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 04:30:08 AM
2008 was only partly related to government encouragement of fannie to make son prime loans. And bush encouraged that moreThan Clinton did.  The other part was several big private banks bindoing the bad loans and paying off eating agencies so they could sell the loans to people who thought they were good investments so the bank making the bag loan wasn't on the hook for the rent and simply made more money for more volume and thisStarted engagong in predatory lending telling people thruir house price was going to go up forever and putting them in house they couldn't afford etc.  Also have to blame all the people who took out loans they couldn't pay for.  You really ought to circl your facts broo.     
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: tbombz on November 19, 2012, 04:32:49 AM
About dictator vs democracy.   What gives anyone the authority to impose their will on others?  If any government has such authority OT necessarily must be founded on majority rule or else you have a minority opinion being forced on everyone.  Which represents a dictator or dictators.
Title: atomic power and we can forget israel and oil
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:47:51 AM
and for gosh sakes end all foriegn aid money
Title: If obama and dem house and senate and said no to all bailouts
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
and ended fanie may
and ended fed
and reduced taxes
and reduced regulations
and balanced budget meaning 0 debt spending
lowered spending until surplus to pay off debt
recession over in 1 year

and usa be in nonstop upward growth spiral due to capitalism

instead opposite 8% unemplyment growing and 18% with non job seekers counted
we also repeat FDR mistake overspending which caused great depression to last 12 years not 1
rememebr grwoth at end of ww2 from lower gov spending since war spending stopped
Title: Re: Aside from having right dad, do democrats really think wealth is luck?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 04:55:44 AM
2008 was only partly related to government encouragement of fannie to make son prime loans. And bush encouraged that moreThan Clinton did.  The other part was several big private banks bindoing the bad loans and paying off eating agencies so they could sell the loans to people who thought they were good investments so the bank making the bag loan wasn't on the hook for the rent and simply made more money for more volume and thisStarted engagong in predatory lending telling people thruir house price was going to go up forever and putting them in house they couldn't afford etc.  Also have to blame all the people who took out loans they couldn't pay for.  You really ought to circl your facts broo.     

no
wrong

cliton allowed law that fannie must give loan, forcing fannie to make them even to those they knew not pay
then fed provided $$ outa thin air
bam bubble
barney frank and dem congress on TV saying no way gota give poor home loan
see john alison on youtube explaining all this easily

2008 not iraw but gov created housing bubble

wall st just after effect

and obama and dems then bailed out

oil on the fire

the wrong way to fix

dodd frank didnt end fannie or freddy and no one stopping fed fed bolde than ever now has unlimited money printing to buy mortgages

we should be occupying the fed!!
Title: Why does EPA have enuf cash to buy drones?
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 06:39:39 AM
wtffff???

http://news.yahoo.com/epa-drones-spy-farmers-nebraska-iowa-150411579.html (http://news.yahoo.com/epa-drones-spy-farmers-nebraska-iowa-150411579.html)

burocrats eating money to no good end

this is problem with dems

endless waste

better to lower spending leave money with people and biz
Title: Re: If obama and dem house and senate and said no to all bailouts
Post by: avxo on November 19, 2012, 06:58:49 AM
and ended fanie may
and ended fed
and reduced taxes
and reduced regulations
and balanced budget meaning 0 debt spending
lowered spending until surplus to pay off debt
recession over in 1 year

and usa be in nonstop upward growth spiral due to capitalism

instead opposite 8% unemplyment growing and 18% with non job seekers counted
we also repeat FDR mistake overspending which caused great depression to last 12 years not 1
rememebr grwoth at end of ww2 from lower gov spending since war spending stopped

Boy, a "Top 20" University education sure seems to not be worth very much these days...
Title: obama needs to end all pensions and unlimited free healthcare
Post by: magikusar on November 19, 2012, 06:59:10 AM
unearned by unions and others!!

not make it bigger!!

lol

this guy has 0 mandate and i hope repubs say f off to this anchor and anchors in senate

lower spending
Title: Re: If obama and dem house and senate and said no to all bailouts
Post by: whork on November 19, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
Boy, a "Top 20" University education sure seems to not be worth very much these days...

 :D
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 08:19:23 AM
the exclusion of the first 250k profit for single or 500k for couple only ever applied to primary residecnce

in the example you gave, if you sell a rental and make a small profit you have the normal capital gains tax and you would only be subject to the addtional tax if you AGI > 200k

i knew you were subject to capital gains rates as it is a code section 1231 asset however i thought you still were subject to the additional tax. 
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 20, 2012, 08:26:38 AM
A lot of non owners just got schooled in this thread.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 08:28:20 AM
i knew you were subject to capital gains rates as it is a code section 1231 asset however i thought you still were subject to the additional tax. 

nope.  you're right.  only applies to couples with AGI's over $200K.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Necrosis on November 20, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
oh my!! more incorrect info from the nutty right wingers of the board. Who would have thought they would be wrong? Is there any issue they are even correct on? Benghazi was a dud, the election predictions a farce now repeating patently false information.

You fuckwits are causing the world a lot of problems, let the smart people handle it. The smart people who made your cellphones, medicines, materials etc..
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: garebear on November 20, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/thanks-barack-obamacare-will-add-3-8-medicare-tax-on-sales-of-homes-condos-townhouses-and-rentals/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/thanks-barack-obamacare-will-add-3-8-medicare-tax-on-sales-of-homes-condos-townhouses-and-rentals/)
How do you continuously make such weak and stupid posts?

Do you do research?
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 20, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
oh my!! more incorrect info from the nutty right wingers of the board. Who would have thought they would be wrong? Is there any issue they are even correct on? Benghazi was a dud, the election predictions a farce now repeating patently false information.

You fuckwits are causing the world a lot of problems, let the smart people handle it. The smart people who made your cellphones, medicines, materials etc..

LOL!!!
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: littledumbells on November 20, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
Well that's perfectly fine because if you make over 200k you're rich and you can afford it.  :D

   Of course the rich pay their own way, didn't have too many kids and didn't buy crap they cannot afford. Seems only fair they should pay for those who make bad decisions
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 11:58:40 AM
oh my!! more incorrect info from the nutty right wingers of the board. Who would have thought they would be wrong? Is there any issue they are even correct on? Benghazi was a dud, the election predictions a farce now repeating patently false information.

You fuckwits are causing the world a lot of problems, let the smart people handle it. The smart people who made your cellphones, medicines, materials etc..

yeah we get it.  republicans are bad.  democrats are good.  republicans are dumb.  democrats are smart.  can you go away now?
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 12:01:02 PM
oh my!! more incorrect info from the nutty right wingers of the board. Who would have thought they would be wrong? Is there any issue they are even correct on? Benghazi was a dud, the election predictions a farce now repeating patently false information.

You fuckwits are causing the world a lot of problems, let the smart people handle it. The smart people who made your cellphones, medicines, materials etc..

you do understand how fucking stupid this comment is right?  anyone?  anyone?  bueller?
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Necrosis on November 20, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
you do understand how fucking stupid this comment is right?  anyone?  anyone?  bueller?

enlighten me please ::)
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
enlighten me please ::)

those smart people who made your phones, medicines, materials, etc.  who exactly are those people?  you understand thats corporate america right?  you know those bad white men who you demonize on a daily basis?  you understand that those luxuries are afforded to you at an affordable price because we haven't let liberal america completely take over this country right?  no you don't understand that.  you're a walking cliche dude.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 20, 2012, 02:40:13 PM
also do me a favor go back and look at your posts for the past few months.  is there any issue that you don't agree with the liberal left movement about?  when was the last time you had an original thought?  honestly.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 20, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
   Of course the rich pay their own way, didn't have too many kids and didn't buy crap they cannot afford. Seems only fair they should pay for those who make bad decisions
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Archer77 on November 20, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
How do you continuously make such weak and stupid posts?

Do you do research?

Because hes a gimmick who I doubt believes half of what he writes.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Necrosis on November 20, 2012, 04:30:08 PM
those smart people who made your phones, medicines, materials, etc.  who exactly are those people?  you understand thats corporate america right?  you know those bad white men who you demonize on a daily basis?  you understand that those luxuries are afforded to you at an affordable price because we haven't let liberal america completely take over this country right?  no you don't understand that.  you're a walking cliche dude.

oh jesus I thought you were going to write a cogent response. I am not a liberal, I am progressive on social issues and conservative in most economic issues.

However, your response is patently false. The smart people ie scientists like physicists discover things like quantum mechanics, particle physics (fact within those theories)etc and apply them to the real world, like lasers, computers and cell phones. Then corporate america buys the technology and whores it. This is where the stupids come in.

The biochemists discover the receptors and create drugs to target these resulting in drugs, the pharmaceutical companies provide the capital to do so and then mark up the drug substantially. They have nothing to do with production of the product, nor are they involved in the research. I could give 100s of other examples but the point is that when stupid people like bachmann, palin, etc get involved they fuck things up. Rubio not knowing the age of the earth yet being on a committee that oversee's science amongst other things is retarded. It's a fact that is required knowledge before leaving highschool.

You appear to be one of these stupids. These products are marked up for a substantial profit, for example xanax a simple benzodiazepine is marked up roughly 1000%, how the fuck is this made affordable to me, seems to me that a greedy fucking company is making an absolute killing.

corporate america is not involved in research, that's science, corporate america are involved in the monetary gain of said research. I have no problem with that but stop insulting the smart people, stupid people like those who get paul reveres story backwards or those who thought benghazi was a scandal should just let smart people handle it.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: Necrosis on November 20, 2012, 04:32:25 PM
also do me a favor go back and look at your posts for the past few months.  is there any issue that you don't agree with the liberal left movement about?  when was the last time you had an original thought?  honestly.

I have my issues with the left movement if you will, however, I have more of an issue with the right's object stupidity lately. They are becoming a group of anti-intellectuals, extremists and appear to hate democracy ie the recent gerrymandering. It's not even a choice any more they have forced anyone with half a brain to fight against them and their bullshit.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: whork on November 21, 2012, 02:31:18 AM
oh jesus I thought you were going to write a cogent response. I am not a liberal, I am progressive on social issues and conservative in most economic issues.

However, your response is patently false. The smart people ie scientists like physicists discover things like quantum mechanics, particle physics (fact within those theories)etc and apply them to the real world, like lasers, computers and cell phones. Then corporate america buys the technology and whores it. This is where the stupids come in.

The biochemists discover the receptors and create drugs to target these resulting in drugs, the pharmaceutical companies provide the capital to do so and then mark up the drug substantially. They have nothing to do with production of the product, nor are they involved in the research. I could give 100s of other examples but the point is that when stupid people like bachmann, palin, etc get involved they fuck things up. Rubio not knowing the age of the earth yet being on a committee that oversee's science amongst other things is retarded. It's a fact that is required knowledge before leaving highschool.

You appear to be one of these stupids. These products are marked up for a substantial profit, for example xanax a simple benzodiazepine is marked up roughly 1000%, how the fuck is this made affordable to me, seems to me that a greedy fucking company is making an absolute killing.

corporate america is not involved in research, that's science, corporate america are involved in the monetary gain of said research. I have no problem with that but stop insulting the smart people, stupid people like those who get paul reveres story backwards or those who thought benghazi was a scandal should just let smart people handle it.

Nice post.
A reply Bear?
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 21, 2012, 08:00:37 AM
Nice post.
A reply Bear?

Nice post? Are you serious?   I don't even know where to start with this.  You're so typical it's downright scary.
 You quite simply have a child's understanding of how we are able to manufacture and distribute drugs or any product that requires a development stage and hefty amounts of research.  You're trying to imply that the scientists and the "smart people" have no profit motive, and the evil corporations snatch these patents from them and "mark up prices".  You know.  Cuz they're evil.
Let's stay with your drug example.  Two things need to happen in order to get drugs out into the market in order for the general polulation to benefit.  First the drug needs to be created.  This is done by scientists in research labs funded by those evil greedy corporations.  You know.  The "bad guys".Those scientists that you deem the "good guys" come out of school looking for jobs with these corporations so that they can raise a family and take home a fat paycheck and buy the things that they want and need.  You make it sound like they're just sitting in a basement somewhere doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
Now they have to get these drugs tested, tested, and tested again and again, cleared by the FDA and given the OK to manufacture and distribute.  This all costs money.  You do understand this right?  I don't know anyone who works in that field that works for free.  
Do some of these markups get out of hand?  Yes.  Is it because the corporations are evil and stupid?  Quite simply no.  They have shareholders and employees to pay.  They have research teams to test the safety of the drug over and over and over again so your kid doesn't die when he/she takes said drug.  They have logistical issues with how to manufacture the drugs in mass production and how to get them safely into your little hands.  In order to turn a profit yes a lot of these markups have to be very very high.  And yes none of this shit will be done(and more importantly done right) unless someone is turning a profit.  You liberal lemmings really need to understand this.  This is real life.  Not the feel good movie of the year.  
This is a 3 day seminar type of discussion that we're having but I know (because I'm an adult) that the answer is not as easy as "corporations are bad" and "the smart scientists are good".  You are the typical american voter though so it's hard to blame you.  This is the only information you're given on a daily basis and you simply refuse to take any of this information at face value.  Ridiculous. the difference between you and I is quite simple actually.  You believe in what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  I believe in looking at a problem, picking it apart, and making changes that will achieve a desired result.  And the confidence that you have in the dribble that you type on here is what scares me the most.  Because there's millions just like you.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: whork on November 21, 2012, 08:12:36 AM
Nice post? Are you serious?   I don't even know where to start with this.  You're so typical it's downright scary.
 You quite simply have a child's understanding of how we are able to manufacture and distribute drugs or any product that requires a development stage and hefty amounts of research.  You're trying to imply that the scientists and the "smart people" have no profit motive, and the evil corporations snatch these patents from them and "mark up prices".  You know.  Cuz they're evil.
Let's stay with your drug example.  Two things need to happen in order to get drugs out into the market in order for the general polulation to benefit.  First the drug needs to be created.  This is done by scientists in research labs funded by those evil greedy corporations.  You know.  The "bad guys".Those scientists that you deem the "good guys" come out of school looking for jobs with these corporations so that they can raise a family and take home a fat paycheck and buy the things that they want and need.  You make it sound like they're just sitting in a basement somewhere doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.
Now they have to get these drugs tested, tested, and tested again and again, cleared by the FDA and given the OK to manufacture and distribute.  This all costs money.  You do understand this right?  I don't know anyone who works in that field that works for free.  
Do some of these markups get out of hand?  Yes.  Is it because the corporations are evil and stupid?  Quite simply no.  They have shareholders and employees to pay.  They have research teams to test the safety of the drug over and over and over again so your kid doesn't die when he/she takes said drug.  They have logistical issues with how to manufacture the drugs in mass production and how to get them safely into your little hands.  In order to turn a profit yes a lot of these markups have to be very very high.  And yes none of this shit will be done(and more importantly done right) unless someone is turning a profit.  You liberal lemmings really need to understand this.  This is real life.  Not the feel good movie of the year.  
This is a 3 day seminar type of discussion that we're having but I know (because I'm an adult) that the answer is not as easy as "corporations are bad" and "the smart scientists are good".  You are the typical american voter though so it's hard to blame you.  This is the only information you're given on a daily basis and you simply refuse to take any of this information at face value.  Ridiculous. the difference between you and I is quite simple actually.  You believe in what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  I believe in looking at a problem, picking it apart, and making changes that will achieve a desired result.  And the confidence that you have in the dribble that you type on here is what scares me the most.  Because there's millions just like you.


Yup sounds about right.
You seem to think that these things is new or hard for others to understand but its common knowledge.
Have you just learned these things for yourself?
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: bears on November 21, 2012, 08:20:02 AM
Yup sounds about right.
You seem to think that these things is new or hard for others to understand but its common knowledge.
Have you just learned these things for yourself?

you obviously have nothing of any substance to say thats why you're throwing weak insults out in a desperate attempt to save face. i have to get back to work now.  ok buh bye now. 
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: bears on November 21, 2012, 08:24:41 AM
"The biochemists discover the receptors and create drugs to target these resulting in drugs, the pharmaceutical companies provide the capital to do so and then mark up the drug substantially. They have nothing to do with production of the product, nor are they involved in the research. I could give 100s of other examples but the point is that when stupid people like bachmann, palin, etc get involved they fuck things up. Rubio not knowing the age of the earth yet being on a committee that oversee's science amongst other things is retarded. It's a fact that is required knowledge before leaving highschool."

and Necrosis this is by far your most ignorant statement.  you do understand that there are many PHD lab rats who go on to become board members and/or upper management of these corporations that they work for right?  my cousin's husband actually took this exact path.  i don't think he turned evil once he got his appointment to the board.
Title: Re: obamacare 4% house tax oh my!!
Post by: whork on November 21, 2012, 08:43:50 AM
you obviously have nothing of any substance to say thats why you're throwing weak insults out in a desperate attempt to save face. i have to get back to work now.  ok buh bye now. 

And your response is to name common facts and then accuse everyone else but you to fail to understand them.
We get it its not rocket science.
And we get that you get it.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Archer77 on November 21, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
"The biochemists discover the receptors and create drugs to target these resulting in drugs, the pharmaceutical companies provide the capital to do so and then mark up the drug substantially. They have nothing to do with production of the product, nor are they involved in the research. I could give 100s of other examples but the point is that when stupid people like bachmann, palin, etc get involved they fuck things up. Rubio not knowing the age of the earth yet being on a committee that oversee's science amongst other things is retarded. It's a fact that is required knowledge before leaving highschool."

and Necrosis this is by far your most ignorant statement.  you do understand that there are many PHD lab rats who go on to become board members and/or upper management of these corporations that they work for right?  my cousin's husband actually took this exact path.  i don't think he turned evil once he got his appointment to the board.


Taxes dollars subsidize a a lot research.  A good deal of research is conducted at public universities using tax money but Americans never reap the financial benefits of their investment.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: bears on November 21, 2012, 12:39:29 PM

Taxes dollars subsidize a a lot research.  A good deal of research is conducted at public universities using tax money but Americans never reap the financial benefits of their investment.

good point.  thats true.  i should have addressed this.  however some of the biggest contributors to these universities science programs are the big corporations like Abbott Labs.  and the big 4 accounting firms are the largest contributors to the business schools.  they are investing in future employees.  

i always go on my rants when someone tries to make the assertion that corporations and/or a profit motive is inherently bad.  it's a ridiculous assertion.  profit motive is what drives research.  profit motive is what draws the best and brightest.  people just don't want to believe this because it doesn't make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  i wish that we could get our medicine produced at a cheaper price and lower the markups more than anyone.  it's just not as easy as "corporations are evil so let the government take control and everything will work itself out".  i wish it was that easy.  but i'm under no illusion that the government won't be as corrupt or more corrupt and inefficient than anyone else.  and i don't get why a lot of liberals believe this.  it all goes back to this dumbing down of voters to make them believe this good guy bad guy shit. thats what sells air time on the major networks.  
Title: burocrats or productive workers? who should get money?
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
simple answer for me

Title: Jesse Jackson Jr. Resigns From Congress
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/21/report-jesse-jackson-jr-resigning-from-congress/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/21/report-jesse-jackson-jr-resigning-from-congress/)
Title: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 12:09:02 PM
http://grist.org/climate-energy/a-chat-with-al-gore-on-carbon-taxes-natural-gas-and-the-morally-wrong-keystone-pipeline/ (http://grist.org/climate-energy/a-chat-with-al-gore-on-carbon-taxes-natural-gas-and-the-morally-wrong-keystone-pipeline/)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Necrosis on November 22, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
it's a hoax, it was cold yesterday.
Title: San Francisco Supervisors Approve 220 Square Foot Apartments obamanomics
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
San Francisco Supervisors Approve 220 Square Foot Apartments (http://San Francisco Supervisors Approve 220 Square Foot Apartments)
Title: Re: San Francisco Supervisors Approve 220 Square Foot Apartments obamanomics
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 22, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
Read this the other day. $1500 mo OR almost $700sqft. What a bargain. Hahaha
Title: Re: San Francisco Supervisors Approve 220 Square Foot Apartments obamanomics
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
I say get rida housing codes and regulations and let mass produced housing do same for houses as did for computers.

:)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 02:12:41 PM
lol I love how world has gooten colder for 4 years.

Can't say global wrming anymore lol

love it

green bs just lawyer burocrat money making scam o rama
Title: so when will obama yank guns?
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
anyone?
Title: Are factories the only way to make dumb workers productive? are they evil?
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
I ask getbig: opinoins?

iImagine for a second all the unemployed 30million wokring in slow pace clean well lit factory making housing parts or velcro warm clothing or whatever instead of on welfare or simply not doing anything.


Imagine how much more plentiful and cheaper eveyrthing be.


Then exptrapolate to firing 50mil overpaid burocrat in government and moving them to same.

+80,000,000 productiv workers, and getting rid of drain of 80,000,000 people sitting around!

huge surplus of goodness right?
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Necrosis on November 22, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
lol I love how world has gooten colder for 4 years.

Can't say global wrming anymore lol

love it

green bs just lawyer burocrat money making scam o rama

Has it? where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 03:06:52 PM
Gore is a another crook that people should show their naked butt to in disrespect. I don't know ohw this guy was made into a celebrity.

He is filthy rich from being a crook /end thread.

What were those two scandals where it was revealed TWICE not once, different leaked communications, memos, emails, etc... showcasing they were fabricating data, lying, decieving people, even people losing jobs (and of course credibility in the scientific community via pressure) when exposing the truth on the matter.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Necrosis on November 22, 2012, 03:09:07 PM
Gore is a another crook that people should show their naked butt to in disrespect. I don't know ohw this guy was made into a celebrity.

He is filthy rich from being a crook /end thread.

What were those two scandals where it was revealed TWICE not once, different leaked communications, memos, emails, etc... showcasing they were fabricating data, lying, decieving people, even people losing jobs (and of course credibility in the scientific community via pressure) when exposing the truth on the matter.

are you referring to climategate?
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: a_ahmed on November 22, 2012, 03:21:47 PM
1.0 and 2.0 lol and the many before in between and afters.

I remember in the 90s this crap being thrown in our face 'credits' for pollution... what a bunch of non-sense... and then even the suggestion that one could 'trade' these and invest lmao... oh boy... almost as great as paper money when one thinks about it and interest.... money just goes POOF and WABAAM here and gone instantly
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: garebear on November 22, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Right. Only 97 percent of climate scientist agree that climate change is real and man-made.

I'm sure you guys have done your own independent research which can refute it all.

This might be the reason here:Over a recent six-month period, Fox News misled prime-time viewers about climate science in 93 percent of the cases UCS examined -- 37 of 40 instances. Meanwhile, in 39 of 48 instances in the Wall Street Journal opinion section, when climate science was addressed over a yearlong period, it was misrepresented or mocked, according to the report.

http://www.ibtimes.com/fox-news-wsj-mislead-climate-change-scientist-group-794969
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 05:30:07 PM
Right. Only 97 percent of climate scientist agree that climate change is real and man-made.

I'm sure you guys have done your own independent research which can refute it all.

This might be the reason here:Over a recent six-month period, Fox News misled prime-time viewers about climate science in 93 percent of the cases UCS examined -- 37 of 40 instances. Meanwhile, in 39 of 48 instances in the Wall Street Journal opinion section, when climate science was addressed over a yearlong period, it was misrepresented or mocked, according to the report.

http://www.ibtimes.com/fox-news-wsj-mislead-climate-change-scientist-group-794969



97? not even close.   More than half of scientists quotes in gor's movie sued him for mis representing thier views.

UK and USA scientists have noted the avg temperature of the globe has fallen every year since 2008.
BAM
Title: Lower the debt ceiling and cut everthing.
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 05:31:24 PM
republican congress since 2010 has the mandate.

http://mises.org/daily/5457/Lower-the-Debt-Ceiling (http://mises.org/daily/5457/Lower-the-Debt-Ceiling)
Title: Libertarian view on health care :) ps obamacre aint it
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 05:34:36 PM
http://www.lp.org/issues/healthcare (http://www.lp.org/issues/healthcare)
Title: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/)



RUSH: The true story of Thanksgiving is how socialism failed. With all the great expectations and high hopes, it failed. And self-esteem reliance, rugged individualism, free enterprise, whatever you call it, resulted in prosperity that they never dreamed of.
Title: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: magikusar on November 22, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/chocola-senate-republican-candidates/2012/11/21/id/465021 (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/chocola-senate-republican-candidates/2012/11/21/id/465021)
Title: Re: Libertarian view on health care :) ps obamacre aint it
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 05:53:50 PM
Obamacare was the republican view on healthcare from the late 80's untill just a few short years ago.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Mr. Magoo on November 22, 2012, 06:45:46 PM
Why can't you move your own posts to that one thread.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: WOOO on November 22, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
limbaugh is a tard... most listeners are laughing at him, not with him
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: WOOO on November 22, 2012, 06:53:31 PM
i've got maybe another 50 years left

this fucking hunk of shit and water just needs to hold together long enough for me to drink myself to death
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 22, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
limbaugh is a tard... most listeners are laughing at him, not with him

Sure they do, thats why he was the keynote at the RNC and thats why the libs tired to get him silenced I'm the house floor. You just keep right on thinking he's getting laughed at. You.know who's getting laught at is that little boy Rachel maddow. Haha
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/jan/HQ_12-020_2011_Global_Temp.html



RELEASE : 12-020  NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record   WASHINGTON -- The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000.

NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which monitors global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated analysis that shows temperatures around the globe in 2011 compared to the average global temperature from the mid-20th century. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience warmer temperatures than several decades ago. The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline.

"We know the planet is absorbing more energy than it is emitting," said GISS director James E. Hansen. "So we are continuing to see a trend toward higher temperatures. Even with the cooling effects of a strong La Nina influence and low solar activity for the past several years, 2011 was one of the 10 warmest years on record."

The difference between 2011 and the warmest year in the GISS record (2010) is 0.22 degrees F (0.12 C). This underscores the emphasis scientists put on the long-term trend of global temperature rise. Because of the large natural variability of climate, scientists do not expect temperatures to rise consistently year after year. However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades.

The first 11 years of the 21st century experienced notably higher temperatures compared to the middle and late 20th century, Hansen said. The only year from the 20th century in the top 10 warmest years on record is 1998.

Higher temperatures today are largely sustained by increased atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide. These gases absorb infrared radiation emitted by Earth and release that energy into the atmosphere rather than allowing it to escape to space. As their atmospheric concentration has increased, the amount of energy "trapped" by these gases has led to higher temperatures.

The carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere was about 285 parts per million in 1880, when the GISS global temperature record begins. By 1960, the average concentration had risen to about 315 parts per million. Today it exceeds 390 parts per million and continues to rise at an accelerating pace.

The temperature analysis produced at GISS is compiled from weather data from more than 1,000 meteorological stations around the world, satellite observations of sea surface temperature and Antarctic research station measurements. A publicly available computer program is used to calculate the difference between surface temperature in a given month and the average temperature for the same place during 1951 to 1980. This three-decade period functions as a baseline for the analysis.

The resulting temperature record is very close to analyses by the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

Hansen said he expects record-breaking global average temperature in the next two to three years because solar activity is on the upswing and the next El Nino will increase tropical Pacific temperatures. The warmest years on record were 2005 and 2010, in a virtual tie.

"It's always dangerous to make predictions about El Nino, but it's safe to say we'll see one in the next three years," Hansen said. "It won't take a very strong El Nino to push temperatures above 2010."

For more information on the GISS temperature analysis, visit:


http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: WOOO on November 22, 2012, 08:01:51 PM
Sure they do, thats why he was the keynote at the RNC and thats why the libs tired to get him silenced I'm the house floor. You just keep right on thinking he's getting laughed at. You.know who's getting laught at is that little boy Rachel maddow. Haha

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vbIFA8snM5Y/S3GWA1Mz6GI/AAAAAAAAA5o/MUF1q-UdmJM/s320/limbaugh_oxycontin.jpg)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: WOOO on November 22, 2012, 08:02:43 PM
meh


worst thing that will happen is that we'll all die


sounds like a nice day to me


i've been drinking though
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Enso-global-temp-anomalies.png/800px-Enso-global-temp-anomalies.png)
Title: Re: burocrats or productive workers? who should get money?
Post by: WOOO on November 22, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
bureaucrats     ::)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/NOAA_Land_Ocean.svg/800px-NOAA_Land_Ocean.svg.png)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 08:06:45 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Instrumental_Temperature_Record_%28NASA%29.svg/800px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record_%28NASA%29.svg.png)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Shockwave on November 22, 2012, 08:54:40 PM
meh


worst thing that will happen is that we'll all die


sounds like a nice day to me


i've been drinking though
This. I couldn't give a fuck less about global warming.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: OzmO on November 22, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Instrumental_Temperature_Record_%28NASA%29.svg/800px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record_%28NASA%29.svg.png)

.6 degree variance in 100 years and we have been only tracking temps for a couple of 100 years and there have been a couple of ice ages in our history?


What's the problem?

shouldn't we be worried about global cooling?
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: tbombz on November 22, 2012, 10:18:58 PM
.6 degree variance in 100 years and we have been only tracking temps for a couple of 100 years and there have been a couple of ice ages in our history?


What's the problem?

shouldn't we be worried about global cooling?
i dont think that the presence of an additional threat diminishes the severity of the other threat
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 22, 2012, 10:58:52 PM
As usual the root of the "global warming" movement is anti-capitolist.  It's just another excuse for the .gov to take more money from it's citizens and the evil corporations.  This fake panic is just a technique to manipulate people into paying taxes they wouldn't ordinarily pay and accept regulations that they ordinarily would not accept.  Any time that the government says that something "must be done immediately or else" it just means that they don't want you to take a closer look at their data and what's really in the bills that they are trying to pass.  Think for yourself. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 12:22:02 AM
As usual the root of the "global warming" movement is anti-capitolist.  It's just another excuse for the .gov to take more money from it's citizens and the evil corporations.  This fake panic is just a technique to manipulate people into paying taxes they wouldn't ordinarily pay and accept regulations that they ordinarily would not accept.  Any time that the government says that something "must be done immediately or else" it just means that they don't want you to take a closer look at their data and what's really in the bills that they are trying to pass.  Think for yourself. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/
Right, it's a global conspiracy.

97 percent of climate scientists and NASA are all in on it.


They probably want to take your guns.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 23, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
Right, it's a global conspiracy.

97 percent of climate scientists and NASA are all in on it.


They probably want to take your guns.

Obviously didn't read the links because you made no effort to refute the info from legit mainstream sources. 
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 12:33:04 AM
Obviously didn't read the links because you made no effort to refute the info from legit mainstream sources. 
Better stock up on ammo, too.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 23, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
Better stock up on ammo, too.

Another brilliant and relevant retort.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 12:35:29 AM
Another brilliant and relevant retort.
Got grenades?

Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 12:40:11 AM
remember science is useless until you implement something

most inventions come from and individual alone or in a corporation

rarely by government

henry ford was not a government burocratnor was linus torvalds
Do you really think that's how you spell that?

You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 23, 2012, 12:41:19 AM
Got grenades?



Ha ha ha, derp. 
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: WOOO on November 23, 2012, 04:24:46 AM
the bigger issue is urbanization and the impacts of micro climate changes on global weather systems... for example Hurricane Sandy may have worsened because the localized climate around NYC is so much warmer... no one is able to prove this yet but there are signs that point towards it being true

ultimately though humans are the most adaptive species in the history of this planet

some of us will survive no matter what
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Necrosis on November 23, 2012, 04:45:24 AM
As usual the root of the "global warming" movement is anti-capitolist.  It's just another excuse for the .gov to take more money from it's citizens and the evil corporations.  This fake panic is just a technique to manipulate people into paying taxes they wouldn't ordinarily pay and accept regulations that they ordinarily would not accept.  Any time that the government says that something "must be done immediately or else" it just means that they don't want you to take a closer look at their data and what's really in the bills that they are trying to pass.  Think for yourself. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/

there is mind boggling stupidity in both links, the first for example keeps linking to other articles no primary research. It also talks about cold days? that's called weather.
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: WOOO on November 23, 2012, 04:50:18 AM
there is mind boggling stupidity in both links, the first for example keeps linking to other articles no primary research. It also talks about cold days? that's called weather.



evidence by hearsay
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 07:39:18 AM
i dont think that the presence of an additional threat diminishes the severity of the other threat

.6 in 100 years.  Is there a threat?
Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: Purge_WTF on November 23, 2012, 08:18:07 AM
They're just now figuring that out, and Ron Paul is about to step down.
Title: Hows the communism folks? Enjoying debt hittn 17T? no jobs? you voted obumma!!
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:21:25 AM
u tards!!  black friday awesomeness a microcosm!!

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/NATL-Man-Pulls-Gun-on-Black-Friday-Shopper-for-Cutting-in-Line--180586131.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/NATL-Man-Pulls-Gun-on-Black-Friday-Shopper-for-Cutting-in-Line--180586131.html)
Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:23:34 AM
after doctor debt obama we will get new 80s with christie and walker 2016

kerry goen from MA so walker get that seat
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Necrosis on November 23, 2012, 10:27:46 AM
.6 in 100 years.  Is there a threat?

the number is meaningless without context.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:28:11 AM
well there is this new thing called the internet

and on it people abbreviate

by the way did you goto a top 20 univeristy as I did? gare?  I bet you didn't
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Straw Man on November 23, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
They all work at welfare jobs. 

They think that the propsperity capitalism gives is blood to suck and that they deserve something simply for showing up and exisitng.

The more we saddle producers with blood sucking the poorer we all get despite technological progress made mostly by non government private research.

If we simply said no debt spending we would all feel the crushing taxes needed to spend this much on cronies and welfare jobs.

Since the fed exists and we can run dificits, a politicians dream come true, they can overspend and the inflate with fed and push off the inevitable problem until they retire and leave the hot potato to the next guy.

This is all democrats do.

Peter drucker showed in his books how the modern managed corporation is really the only way known to produce anything.

Marx couldnt see this since they didn't exist until after marx.

They key distinction to make is that not all jobs are productive jobs.

Government jobs are welfare jobs since they are inevitable higher paid than they produce.  They also have a nasty feature of you can't fire the stinkers.

This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

USA has the odd feature that we have the easiest life on the planet yet everyone thinks life is tuff and the rich don't pay them enough.

When people come here from north korea its like WOW, or from China...

There an engineer gets $200 a month with phd.

People are simply used to being lazy, and vote to keep thier welfare jobs, but printing money at fed or bloood sucking producers has a cost, its not for free.


Hey Mods - can we all agree this is a MORONIC post

I'm not calling the poster a moron but it's just that when he posts he sounds like a moron

Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: whork on November 23, 2012, 10:33:08 AM
after doctor debt obama we will get new 80s with christie and walker 2016

kerry goen from MA so walker get that seat

You mean the debt and deficit will explode like in the 80's?
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: whork on November 23, 2012, 10:36:19 AM
Hey Mods - can we all agree this is a MORONIC post

I'm not calling the poster a moron but it's just that when he posts he sounds like a moron



Magic wants to fire all doctors, nurses, cops and firefighters.

Not moronic at all ::)
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
They all work at welfare jobs. 

It would seem that you don't actually know many Democrats.
Title: Man Pulls Gun on Rowdy, Line-Cutting Black Friday Shopper
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/NATL-Man-Pulls-Gun-on-Black-Friday-Shopper-for-Cutting-in-Line--180586131.html (http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/weird/NATL-Man-Pulls-Gun-on-Black-Friday-Shopper-for-Cutting-in-Line--180586131.html)
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:42:11 AM
It seems you confuse the general rule with the exception.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Straw Man on November 23, 2012, 10:45:55 AM
It seems you confuse the general rule with the exception.
it's just getting worse for you
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
I work as private computer guy.  I am betting you work for government adonis?

And just what is a "private computer guy" anyway? I never seen an add for one.

Oh wait! I am on the computer in my home, which is private. This probably makes me a private computer guy.  :)
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:48:23 AM
It seems you confuse the general rule with the exception.

Actually, it would seem you are the one who is confused.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:52:12 AM
When you realize this is the truth and that some people are building cyclotrons not studying sociology or thinking placing tiles is real work.

I've met some very accomplished tile fitters. They seem to make ample money, some are Democrats and none of them work in government public assistance positions.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 10:55:21 AM
it's just getting worse for you

The general rule stands.  Regardless of exceptions.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Straw Man on November 23, 2012, 10:57:36 AM
The general rule stands.  Regardless of exceptions.

refer back to my first post on this thread
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
Not attacking because I live in a right to work state and don't deal with unions,  can you explain it to me? I have bid work up north, and had to call local unions for equipment operators, tit for tat for my guys. How does that promote healthy business?  I already have to deal with Davis Bacon for my federal jobs, but it doesn't matter as I pay my guys more anyway. I just don't see the point anymore, we're not in the 1920's.

Unfortunately, you are not all employers. There are many who don't pay fairly. Precision Castparts, a manufacture here in the Portland area, keep their salary and benefit packages competitive too. Like with your company, there is no need for the employees to unionize. However, there are other companies where this is not the case. Oregon is not a right to work state.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Unfortunately, you are not all employers. There are many who don't pay fairly. Precision Castparts, a manufacture here in the Portland area, keep their salary and benefit packages competitive too. Like with your company, there is no need for the employees to unionize. However, there are other companies where this is not the case. Oregon is not a right to work state.

People don't seem to get that.  the "fear" of a companies workers unionizing sometime is enough to keep the company honest and fair. 
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 11:08:03 AM
There is no argument that capitalism produces the most wealth.

socialism can't even come close

The problem is now socialsits do really sneaky thing.

They suck blood of capitalism.

They blame failures of government on capitalism.  2008 caused by government


cronies also dont liek competition, so they try and suppress it, so we get unions using government force
never beleive unions are good adn negotiate, they are bad corny multinational corps who benefit idiots at top, not workers nor consumers
Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: Roger Bacon on November 23, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
They're just now figuring that out, and Ron Paul is about to step down.

haha... wow no shit



Idiots
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: whork on November 23, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
There is no argument that capitalism produces the most wealth.

socialism can't even come close

The problem is now socialsits do really sneaky thing.

They suck blood of capitalism.

They blame failures of government on capitalism.  2008 caused by government


cronies also dont liek competition, so they try and suppress it, so we get unions using government force
never beleive unions are good adn negotiate, they are bad corny multinational corps who benefit idiots at top, not workers nor consumers

Unions is coorporations?

In that case you should love them. Corp= Capitalism.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 12:45:36 PM
capitalism = no force in human interactions

unions use government to force people to do thier bidding and as miltinatioanl corps unions buy 100s million dolalr TV ads to attack politicians they don't like

if unions just negotiated with emplyers and there were no laws enforcing unions on everyone and unions could not spend dues on ads or trying to control elections, then they be fine

this is not what exists by a long long shot
Title: the biggest sign yet that the unions are out of touch with the American people
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/23/Union-fail-Walmart-records-record-sales (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/23/Union-fail-Walmart-records-record-sales)
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 23, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vbIFA8snM5Y/S3GWA1Mz6GI/AAAAAAAAA5o/MUF1q-UdmJM/s320/limbaugh_oxycontin.jpg)

Don't forget the pics of him with :

Viagra
4 ex wives
and suspected little boys from Costa Rica
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 01:36:36 PM
Don't forget the pics of him with :

Viagra
4 ex wives
and suspected little boys from Costa Rica

and 5000 ddd blondes since hes worth 100mil
Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 01:50:18 PM
You mean the debt and deficit will explode like in the 80's?


no 80s deficit and debt went down

don't believe paul krugman view of history

plus dont forget dem congress had a lot of obama plans where 10 years of cut that never happen keep debt away

dems overspending tools

anyone alive in 80s know economy way way way way better than now and almsot no unemplyment

remember obama sofar has done 4 times all debt acucmulated in 80s  and 8x the iraq war
Title: remember the 80s were beetter for common man than 90s
Post by: magikusar on November 23, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
and that clinton caused 2008 by forcing fannei to give loasn to people who wont pay and fed printing the money

get gov outa the way adn non of this happen

occupy the fed and clintons

of course dood frank not fix fannie or end it

nor end the fed
Title: I thought only the western nations were brainwashed..or so I heard..
Post by: mogulgangi on November 23, 2012, 02:26:51 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-protesters-attack-mursis-party-offices-134317661.html

People have spoken
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
capitalism = no force in human interactions

unions use government to force people to do thier bidding and as miltinatioanl corps unions buy 100s million dolalr TV ads to attack politicians they don't like

if unions just negotiated with emplyers and there were no laws enforcing unions on everyone and unions could not spend dues on ads or trying to control elections, then they be fine

this is not what exists by a long long shot

You are getting to the point where you might want your secretary to look over your posts before you submit them because they are loaded with mistakes, which you once indicated were the responsibility of your secretary to fix because doing so yourself was beneath you....or some such shit.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 03:16:14 PM
Don't forget the pics of him with :

Viagra
4 ex wives
and suspected little boys from Costa Rica

Haha, you guys go after rush but leave your presidents chronic cocaine and weed addictionand homosexual affairs. Haha. Too funny.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
Haha, you guys go after rush but leave your presidents chronic cocaine and weed addictionand homosexual affairs. Haha. Too funny.

 ::)
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 03:32:28 PM
::)

Don't roll your eyes. The coke and weed are in.his own.words.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
Don't roll your eyes. The coke and weed are in.his own.words.

Many people do drugs for a period of time in their lives.   That doesn't make them addicts any more than a spun up article makes this years election rigged.  

So yes, when you say something like that among the many other things you say, I go.... ::)
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: B_B_C on November 23, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
you sound like that telephone number that never stopped ringing until November6th
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
Another great thread.

Where do you find all of your inspiration?

Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Which makes you wonder about the "us vs. them" gang.  

For 4 years they beat the Obama is one and done drum.   They said we are heading towards communism.  They said the election is a slam dunk.  They said our economy is destined for ruin.  Many of them compromised any intelligence they had as Birthers.

Pretty much everything they said has been wrong.  

Then Obama wins with 330 EC votes.

How credible is the "us vs them" gang?

They look like angry losers now.  
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
Another great thread.

Where do you find all of your inspiration?



Mike savage  ;D
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 03:58:02 PM
Many people do drugs for a period of time in their lives.   That doesn't make them addicts any more than a spun up article makes this years election rigged.  

So yes, when you say something like that among the many other things you say, I go.... ::)

Really? Tell that to the ones.who bashed GW. Obama said.he he partied through high school and.college. if that's the case how did he get in to Harvard and.Columbia?
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
Really? Tell that to the ones.who bashed GW. Obama said.he he partied through high school and.college. if that's the case how did he get in to Harvard and.Columbia?


Lol.


So no one that parties ever gets into Harvard or Columbia?    That's silly.   
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: a_ahmed on November 23, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
Rush sounds like another 333386
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 04:02:23 PM
So no one that parties ever gets into Harvard or Columbia? 

I would assume not. What do his transcripts say? Oh wait....there are none!
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
I would assume not. What do his transcripts say? Oh wait....there are none!

So you are saying that anyone that parties Never goes to Harvard or columbia?

And this is based on your tainted uninformed opinion or actual fact?   :D
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: dr.chimps on November 23, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
I would assume not. What do his transcripts say? Oh wait....there are none!
Hi Coach. I know you're not an elected figure, but given your continued, vociferous, political jeremiads and efforts towards transparency, can you post up you educational grades. Thanks much, doc     :)
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Lemme see if I have your logic straight:

You say becuase Obama said he partied and because no one can party can go to Harvard and Columbia and because he hasn't shown his transcripts that means Obama is an addict that never went to Harvard and Columbia?

You are hilarious.   ;D

You should have a political satire show.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Hi Coach. I know you're not an elected figure, but given your continued, vociferous, political jeremiads and efforts towards transparency, can you post up you educational grades. Thanks much, doc     :)

Sure. Lemme dig them up from.31 years ago. Point is, mine can be found.
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 04:39:54 PM
Lemme see if I have your logic straight:

You say becuase Obama said he partied and because no one can party can go to Harvard and Columbia and because he hasn't shown his transcripts that means Obama is an addict that never went to Harvard and Columbia?

You are hilarious.   ;D

You should have a political satire show.

You're defending someone who's blatantly corrupt and feels no.one.should know.anything.about who you.voted for and now the leader of the free world and you're calling me illogical??? Really? Think about that for a.sec oz.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Straw Man on November 23, 2012, 05:06:19 PM
Haha, you guys go after rush but leave your presidents chronic cocaine and weed addictionand homosexual affairs. Haha. Too funny.

Hey Mods,

I thought you were deleting posts that weren't true or had claims that weren't sourced

Is there any proof that Obama is ADDICTED to cocaine, weed or has homosexual affairs etc..

how about in between moving threads when a certain poster gets his panties in a twist you also delete this crap too

We're not allowed to call these posters or these kinds of post crap so how about taking it off the board

maybe you can make an "insane accusations" sand box for these children to go play in

Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: Necrosis on November 23, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
You're defending someone who's blatantly corrupt and feels no.one.should know.anything.about who you.voted for and now the leader of the free world and you're calling me illogical??? Really? Think about that for a.sec oz.

birth certificates, passports, grades. You realize that the status he obtained requires a certain gpa, which is quite high. I'm glad he won't release the exact marks, makes people like you upset. You want him to bow to your insanity, show this birth certificate,  no not that one, we want a special one with 100 eye witness testimonies. he could get you everything you want and you would want more, reason being, you are insane.
Title: Re: remember the 80s were beetter for common man than 90s
Post by: Montague on November 23, 2012, 05:12:17 PM
and that clinton caused 2008 by forcing fannei to give loasn to people who wont pay and fed printing the money

get gov outa the way adn non of this happen

occupy the fed and clintons

of course dood frank not fix fannie or end it

nor end the fed


and that mods on this bored gonna

threaten to strike unlesss Ron give them pay rises

for all the extra work u make them do hear

adn eye hope your not driving anywhere tonite
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
You're defending someone who's blatantly corrupt and feels no.one.should know.anything.about who you.voted for and now the leader of the free world and you're calling me illogical??? Really? Think about that for a.sec oz.

No, i am pointing out how ridiculous your flawed logic is and how you come to silly conclusions.  But....if you can't see that for yourself how could you possibly understand what i am pointing out?

Further more, i don't put value in baseless speculation that violates even basic rules of logic.  And i certainly don't buy into kindergarten level spin that's written for the ignorant and hateful.

I wanted Romney to win, only because he's less of a turd than any of the GOP candidates and Obama.  

The "us versus them" mentality along with narrow mindedness and  hate cost your party the election.  Its sad and funny to see people on this board right now singing the same old "kenyan born drug addict song" as if it was ever relative or that anyone with any common sense ever bought into it.

So before you think about asking me to think about Obama, the guy who suggested instead of forcing people to learn English we should instead be learning Spanish or Obama, the guy who didn't go after banks in 2009 or Obama, who sold out to the Medical industry and gave us Obamacare, THINK about the first 7 sentences of this post.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 05:23:17 PM
Hey Mods,

I thought you were deleting posts that weren't true or had claims that weren't sourced

Is there any proof that Obama is ADDICTED to cocaine, weed or has homosexual affairs etc..

how about in between moving threads when a certain poster gets his panties in a twist you also delete this crap too

We're not allowed to call these posters or these kinds of post crap so how about taking it off the board

maybe you can make an "insane accusations" sand box for these children to go play in



No, I may or may not from time to time move threads who's titles are not factually correct, but i will not turn myself or suggest any other mod turn  into factcheck.mod.

If someone is _______________ enough to believe things like that, then they deserve to believe it and i doubt any amout of truth or facts will sway their beliefs.

I have said it many times before:

Belief is more powerful than fact.  
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
birth certificates, passports, grades. You realize that the status he obtained requires a certain gpa, which is quite high. I'm glad he won't release the exact marks, makes people like you upset. You want nohim to bow to your insanity, show this birth certificate,  no not that one, we want a special one with 100 eye witness testimonies. he could get you everything you want and you would want more, reason being, you are insane.

His exact marks? He hasn't released any. His testimonies? Let's.look.into.the back.grounds of.his.witnesses. I have a more through background check when.I hire.trainer's for God sake.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
Sure they do, thats why he was the keynote at the RNC and thats why the libs tired to get him silenced I'm the house floor. You just keep right on thinking he's getting laughed at. You.know who's getting laught at is that little boy Rachel maddow. Haha

Seems like many Republicans are experiencing difficulty making good choices lately, including picking a "clown" like Rush Limbaugh to be the keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention. Then there also was Mr. "Make my day" Clint Eastwood making a fool of himself talking to an empty chair at the same convention. It is embarrassing!
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
Haha, you guys go after rush but leave your presidents chronic cocaine and weed addictionand homosexual affairs. Haha. Too funny.

Like it or not, President Obama is your President too. Rush Limbaugh is merely a bad hack entertainer with a specific agenda.

Incidentally, the things you accuse our President of doing are ancient history and false rumors cooked up by crackpots like Rush Limbaugh, which Rush feeds to the sheep like you at a nice profit.
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: haider on November 23, 2012, 06:01:15 PM
Coach needs to step away from this politics nonsense, and maybe just read the bible more. I reccomend King James.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 23, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
Seems like many Republicans are experiencing difficulty making good choices lately, including picking a "clown" like Rush Limbaugh to be the keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention. Then there also was Mr. "Make my day" Clint Eastwood making a fool of himself talking to an empty chair at the same convention. It is embarrassing!

You libs are a complete joke. You say stupid shot like this when you have dumbshit.eva longoria as your.spokes person at the DNC, Russian fighter jets and ships in the.background not realizing it wasn't our own and to top it off, Chris.Matthews feeling shivers down.his leg and a complete Fuck.up for a president. BTW, he IS NOT my president.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 07:04:12 PM
You libs are a complete joke. You say stupid shot like this when you have dumbshit.eva longoria as your.spokes person at the DNC, Russian fighter jets and ships in the.background not realizing it wasn't our own and to top it off, Chris.Matthews feeling shivers down.his leg and a complete Fuck.up for a president. BTW, he IS NOT my president.

The GOP lost a slam dunk election.  The joke is on the GOP, and by the looks of it, they haven't learned anything from it.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: 24KT on November 23, 2012, 08:47:52 PM

Belief is more powerful than fact.  

If that were true 333386 and the GOP echo chamber would have gotten their LANDSLIDE!!!  :D
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 23, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
If that were true 333386 and the GOP echo chamber would have gotten their LANDSLIDE!!!  :D


lol   

context:   In a person's mind, what they believe is more powerful than fact.   Therefore regardless of facts that contradict their beliefs they will continue to still believe it.  For example: Most CT's, such as the truthers and birthers
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: garebear on November 23, 2012, 09:18:01 PM
This is interesting - http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp

Looks like he didn't actually want to fight communism. I mean, not with a weapon or anything.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Primemuscle on November 23, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
You libs are a complete joke. You say stupid shot like this when you have dumbshit.eva longoria as your.spokes person at the DNC, Russian fighter jets and ships in the.background not realizing it wasn't our own and to top it off, Chris.Matthews feeling shivers down.his leg and a complete Fuck.up for a president. BTW, he IS NOT my president.

Do you not live in the U.S.? Are you not a U.S. citizen? Answer yes, and President Obama is indeed your President, like it or not.

Yes....as I posted prior to the election, we aren't perfect, but they're nuts! Apparently many agreed,  which is why President Obama is the President and not that other fellow, whatever his name was. Like it or not!
Title: The promise is that health care will be as good, or better, than ever — only now
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2012/06/your-doctor-is-now-a-government-employee-happy/ (http://capitalismmagazine.com/2012/06/your-doctor-is-now-a-government-employee-happy/)
The promise is that health care will be as good, or better, than ever — only now, for everyone

 But the federal government is already $15 trillion in debt because of Medicare and Medicaid. Now that trillions more will be spent on Medicaid and Medicare in another few years, the debt will grow exponentially. Government will have to cut costs. How can there be no consequence to your personal medical care?
Title: Henry ford and deming and the production line
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 01:09:28 AM
there isn't a better way to make things

so when you get rid of all the penalties to doing it

USA will get a lot richer

yes regulations and taxes are penalties

think if there are more shoes and medicine, don't you think things will get cheaper?

dont you think 30million unemplyed can be used at a factory? sure since things broken down into easy steps and machines do mroe and more

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dtI8xubNMkA/TkLoyh3MsrI/AAAAAAAAAWM/yvEzWMI-MRI/s1600/william-edwards-deming-837-t-600x600-rw.jpg)

deming said evolve the process toward 0 defects, focus on the process

this is where a lot of people could be emplyed

humans tune the process and do things very hard to get a cmputer to do

(http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/03/gcelebrities/Henry_Ford-1.jpg)

this is the way out

Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 02:19:43 AM
Do you not live in the U.S.? Are you not a U.S. citizen? Answer yes, and President Obama is indeed your President, like it or not.

Yes....as I posted prior to the election, we aren't perfect, but they're nuts! Apparently many agreed,  which is why President Obama is the President and not that other fellow, whatever his name was. Like it or not!
I think Deleted One seceded because he hates America.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 02:45:09 AM
You are getting to the point where you might want your secretary to look over your posts before you submit them because they are loaded with mistakes, which you once indicated were the responsibility of your secretary to fix because doing so yourself was beneath you....or some such shit.
;D
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 03:02:32 AM
good example: the new jersey new york subway system project chris chritie nuked had 350million $$ in environmental feasability studeis SOFAR and it hadnt even been green lighted

this is where all the useless adademic shitheads with bio degrees go

to 200 an hour shitbird enviro science bullshit jobs based on law fims and governmetn gravy

no one would dream of charging this amount of $$ in real free market, they would be laughed outa town!!

hilarious bs based on green bs, all scam to get fat government money

the shitheads in CA where I am are going to spend 80B with a B on trains

are these trains guna be studded with diamonds?

now you see democrats endgame: get paid as overpriced crony
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/jan/HQ_12-020_2011_Global_Temp.html



RELEASE : 12-020  NASA Finds 2011 Ninth Warmest Year on Record   WASHINGTON -- The global average surface temperature in 2011 was the ninth warmest since 1880, according to NASA scientists. The finding continues a trend in which nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000.

NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which monitors global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated analysis that shows temperatures around the globe in 2011 compared to the average global temperature from the mid-20th century. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience warmer temperatures than several decades ago. The average temperature around the globe in 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline.

"We know the planet is absorbing more energy than it is emitting," said GISS director James E. Hansen. "So we are continuing to see a trend toward higher temperatures. Even with the cooling effects of a strong La Nina influence and low solar activity for the past several years, 2011 was one of the 10 warmest years on record."

The difference between 2011 and the warmest year in the GISS record (2010) is 0.22 degrees F (0.12 C). This underscores the emphasis scientists put on the long-term trend of global temperature rise. Because of the large natural variability of climate, scientists do not expect temperatures to rise consistently year after year. However, they do expect a continuing temperature rise over decades.

The first 11 years of the 21st century experienced notably higher temperatures compared to the middle and late 20th century, Hansen said. The only year from the 20th century in the top 10 warmest years on record is 1998.

Higher temperatures today are largely sustained by increased atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide. These gases absorb infrared radiation emitted by Earth and release that energy into the atmosphere rather than allowing it to escape to space. As their atmospheric concentration has increased, the amount of energy "trapped" by these gases has led to higher temperatures.

The carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere was about 285 parts per million in 1880, when the GISS global temperature record begins. By 1960, the average concentration had risen to about 315 parts per million. Today it exceeds 390 parts per million and continues to rise at an accelerating pace.

The temperature analysis produced at GISS is compiled from weather data from more than 1,000 meteorological stations around the world, satellite observations of sea surface temperature and Antarctic research station measurements. A publicly available computer program is used to calculate the difference between surface temperature in a given month and the average temperature for the same place during 1951 to 1980. This three-decade period functions as a baseline for the analysis.

The resulting temperature record is very close to analyses by the Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

Hansen said he expects record-breaking global average temperature in the next two to three years because solar activity is on the upswing and the next El Nino will increase tropical Pacific temperatures. The warmest years on record were 2005 and 2010, in a virtual tie.

"It's always dangerous to make predictions about El Nino, but it's safe to say we'll see one in the next three years," Hansen said. "It won't take a very strong El Nino to push temperatures above 2010."

For more information on the GISS temperature analysis, visit:


http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp


nasa   one of biggest govenment paid bureacracies in world
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 03:23:00 AM
Here are some comparisons for household incomes worldwide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income)



Here is a list of the happiest countries in the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index)



money is irrelevant

find someone to love and and live a happy life



excessive capitalism is bad for your health


oh money is quite relevant
Title: Studies show capitalists aka liberals are much smarter than communists.
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 04:29:25 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States)
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: 24KT on November 24, 2012, 05:22:23 AM

lol   

context:   In a person's mind, what they believe is more powerful than fact.   Therefore regardless of facts that contradict their beliefs they will continue to still believe it.  For example: Most CT's, such as the truthers and birthers

So then what you're saying is that these Republicans & birthers are trying to take America don a road that's nothing more than a recipe for a new dark ages? Gotcha.  ;)


Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: 24KT on November 24, 2012, 05:37:31 AM
This is interesting - http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp

Looks like he didn't actually want to fight communism. I mean, not with a weapon or anything.

So it wasn't that he had avoided the draft because of a pimple on his butt, Rush had a tail. Why does it not surprise me that Rush had a tail, and that it was a congenital tail at that? It wouldn't surprise me to iscover he has cloven hooves too.
Title: Re: Henry ford and deming and the production line
Post by: 24KT on November 24, 2012, 05:41:30 AM
Americans were always too full of themselves to listen to Demmings, that's why the Japanese after WWII incorporated Demmings theories into their system of education, and produces generations of Japanese kids that can solve complicated math problem in the 2nd grade, that American students cannot even complete in the 12th grade.
Title: Re: Club for Growth: Candidates Chosen By GOP Establishment Would Be Disaster Read
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 06:08:54 AM

no 80s deficit and debt went down

don't believe paul krugman view of history

plus dont forget dem congress had a lot of obama plans where 10 years of cut that never happen keep debt away

dems overspending tools

anyone alive in 80s know economy way way way way better than now and almsot no unemplyment

remember obama sofar has done 4 times all debt acucmulated in 80s  and 8x the iraq war


You are a liar Magic.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
nasa   one of biggest govenment paid bureacracies in world

Yeah so many private enterprises is into space flight
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 06:27:51 AM
capitalism = no force in human interactions

unions use government to force people to do thier bidding and as miltinatioanl corps unions buy 100s million dolalr TV ads to attack politicians they don't like

if unions just negotiated with emplyers and there were no laws enforcing unions on everyone and unions could not spend dues on ads or trying to control elections, then they be fine

this is not what exists by a long long shot

I would respond but im not sure what you are trying to say here, sorry amigo :)
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 06:53:22 AM
Yeah so many private enterprises is into space flight
Plus, they're so unsuccessful.

It's not like they put a man on the moon or anything.

Bunch of idiots.

I'll take my science from oil companies.

Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: Shockwave on November 24, 2012, 06:56:17 AM
Yeah so many private enterprises is into space flight
Richard Branson comes to mind. Although I haven't been keeping up with his attempts at space flight.
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: George Whorewell on November 24, 2012, 07:17:38 AM
You morons do realize that you're arguing with one of blackens multiple personalities- right?

Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 07:44:43 AM
You morons do realize that you're arguing with one of blackens multiple personalities- right?

I assumed it was one of 333's gimmick

Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 07:50:01 AM
No, I may or may not from time to time move threads who's titles are not factually correct, but i will not turn myself or suggest any other mod turn  into factcheck.mod.

If someone is _______________ enough to believe things like that, then they deserve to believe it and i doubt any amout of truth or facts will sway their beliefs.

I have said it many times before:

Belief is more powerful than fact.  

how about just tell the poster to prove their claim, in this case that Obama is addicted to coke and weed, and is having homosexual affairs

If not then this is the kind of crap that will eventually fill this board

btw - since the new rules went into effect it seems that most of the threads are just typical right wing vomiting off all the stupid shit they tried to do before only without their natural adversary (rational sane people from both right and left)  they've just proliferated without anyone to stop them
Title: Palestine the state, lets get it made, hek its been 70 years
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 07:59:13 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jewish-group-concerned-about-anti-semitism-european-soccer-games_663885.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jewish-group-concerned-about-anti-semitism-european-soccer-games_663885.html)
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 24, 2012, 08:25:36 AM
how about just tell the poster to prove their claim, in this case that Obama is addicted to coke and weed, and is having homosexual affairs

If not then this is the kind of crap that will eventually fill this board

btw - since the new rules went into effect it seems that most of the threads are just typical right wing vomiting off all the stupid shit they tried to do before only without their natural adversary (rational sane people from both right and left)  they've just proliferated without anyone to stop them

You really think any one takes people like this seriously?   You have to be a pretty ignorantly twisted person to actually believe some of this crap.  Or they are saying it to get a rise of others.  Paying too much attention to it just gives power.  Laughing or ignoring it doesn't. 

Be real, there was much more the 4 years before the election.
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 08:38:42 AM
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Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: OzmO on November 24, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
In some ways, its sounds silly to say, but the GOP should have ran a Hope and change campaign.

The more I see, the more I am starting to think its the us vs them mantra/crowd that turned many voters  off or caused many not to vote at all or the GOP turd caused many to vote for Gary Johnson.

Either way they lost a slam dunk election against what the ignorant believe is a gay coke addict born in Kenya with a below average iQ.  Which means their level of stupidity is mind boggling. 

These people must be among the dumbest on earth.
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: garebear on November 24, 2012, 08:50:38 AM
In some ways, its sounds silly to say, but the GOP should have ran a Hope and change campaign.

The more I see, the more I am starting to think its the us vs them mantra/crowd that turned many voters  off or caused many not to vote at all or the GOP turd caused many to vote for Gary Johnson.

Either way they lost a slam dunk election against what the ignorant believe is a gay coke addict born in Kenya with a below average iQ.  Which means their level of stupidity is mind boggling. 

These people must be among the dumbest on earth.
Romney was trying the hope and change thing in the end.

Can't remember the exact wording but it was something like "real change".
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
If that were true 333386 and the GOP echo chamber would have gotten their LANDSLIDE!!!  :D

Touché
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 09:08:43 AM
You really think any one takes people like this seriously?   You have to be a pretty ignorantly twisted person to actually believe some of this crap.  Or they are saying it to get a rise of others.  Paying too much attention to it just gives power.  Laughing or ignoring it doesn't. 

Be real, there was much more the 4 years before the election.

the morons making these statements believe it and you already posted about the power of belief

how about just the fact that it's a blatant lie

Isn't that enough to require them to show proof of have it deleted

It's those types of remark that earn the poster their well deserved beating
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 24, 2012, 09:25:31 AM
the morons making these statements believe it and you already posted about the power of belief

how about just the fact that it's a blatant lie

Isn't that enough to require them to show proof of have it deleted

It's those types of remark that earn the poster their well deserved beating

You want "Lie Police" in a politics board?  lol.
 
I believe the posters are the best police for that.  Look at the poster here who claims OB is a coke addict with his arguments/evidence.  Is it anymore obvious that his retort is nothing more that a desperate attempt to perpetuate an inaccuracy that ended with "Liberals are a joke"  This person got a pretty good beating.  Are you expecting that person to admit it?  That would be fantasy land.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 24, 2012, 09:33:09 AM
You want "Lie Police" in a politics board?  lol.
 
I believe the posters are the best police for that.  Look at the poster here who claims OB is a coke addict with his arguments/evidence.  Is it anymore obvious that his retort is nothing more that a desperate attempt to perpetuate an inaccuracy that ended with "Liberals are a joke"  This person got a pretty good beating.  Are you expecting that person to admit it?  That would be fantasy land.

Obama admits he did coke 

The gay lover claimed obama did coke w him 

Obama has been filmed high on drugs 

Choom gang, etc etc. 
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2012, 09:48:26 AM
I'm not being paid to post here,

You believe that your mind is faster than your fingers, while the rest of us think neither are working well at all.
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: OzmO on November 24, 2012, 11:47:24 AM
Obama admits he did coke 

The gay lover claimed obama did coke w him 

Obama has been filmed high on drugs 

Choom gang, etc etc. 

quite different from the claims in this post, not that facts ever matter to you.
Title: Where did my Rush Limbaugh fighting moron communism for common man go?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 11:47:45 AM
I can't find it suddenly.

It had what 150 replies?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/21/the_real_story_of_thanksgiving (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/21/the_real_story_of_thanksgiving)
Title: Howard stern 2012 shows how informed socialists are live, lol one mccain worried
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 11:59:14 AM
Title: Re: Rus Limbaugh is awesome.
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Obama admits he did coke  

The gay lover claimed obama did coke w him  

Obama has been filmed high on drugs  

Choom gang, etc etc.  

He smoked pot when he was in high school? ....Oh my!

He tried coke? ....This must mean the end of the world is near.

Someone claiming to be his gay lover did coke with him? ....Now things are getting really juicy!

Choom gang??? ....
Quote
While in high school at the Punahou School in Honolulu, Obama began associating with a group of boys who "loved basketball and good times," says Maraniss. The group — "decent students and athletes who went on to become successful and productive lawyers, writers, and businessmen" — dubbed itself the Choom Gang.
This must have been one scary gang!

David Maraniss has written or co-authored several books, in particular including biographies of politicians and sportspeople.
First in His Class: A Biography of Bill Clinton (1995).
"Tell Newt To Shut Up!", an account of the so-called Gingrich Revolution of '94, co-authored with Michael Weisskopf (1996).
The Clinton Enigma: A Four-and-a-Half Minute Speech Reveals This President's Entire Life (1998).
When Pride Still Mattered: A Life of Vince Lombardi, a biography of American football coach Vince Lombardi (1999).
The Prince of Tennessee: Al Gore Meets His Fate, a biography of Al Gore co-authored with Ellen Nakashima (2001).
They Marched into Sunlight: War and Peace, Vietnam and America, October 1967 (2003). For this book he was awarded the 2004 J. Anthony Lukas Book Prize.
Clemente: The Passion and Grace of Baseball's Last Hero, a biography of Roberto Clemente (2006).
Rome 1960: The Olympics that Changed the World (2008).
Into the Story: A Writer's Journey through Life, Politics, Sports and Loss, a collection of previously published articles and book excerpts (2011).
Barack Obama: The Story, a biography of Barack Obama (released June 19, 2012).
Title: Re: Gore warns of 'planetary emergency' -- again...
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:08:27 PM
Yeah so many private enterprises is into space flight

The government doesn't generally allow it.

If it did man woulda been on moon much sooner.

Private is always way ahead and more productive.

oh and here is another thing to reduce your argument to rubble:
http://www.virgingalactic.com/ (http://www.virgingalactic.com/)
Title: Re: Rush Limbaugh is out for the common man fighting moron communism.
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:13:08 PM
.

So you think hate is why people don't like Obama?
wow
Title: Re: The real problem with democrats is they never had a real job
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:16:57 PM

i've been to cuba 23 times...

they're pretty happy...

they live longer and healthier lives than most american'ts and cuba is essentially a 3rd world country

How do you explain those people taking boats to USA?

Why don't you see americans dying to move to cuba?
Title: Re: Henry ford and deming and the production line
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on November 24, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
Americans were always too full of themselves to listen to Demmings, that's why the Japanese after WWII incorporated Demmings theories into their system of education, and produces generations of Japanese kids that can solve complicated math problem in the 2nd grade, that American students cannot even complete in the 12th grade.

oh, brother  ::)

No country can match Canada when it comes to smug self-righteousness.

Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
I have told you this several times.

Republicans = wars, tax cuts & increased military spending.

Republicans spends far more than dem

This is why you can't break your programming and see reality.
Republicans spend less.
Obama deficit spent more than other presidents combined.
Never look at percentages look at absolutes.
Percentages mislead.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
This is why you can't break your programming and see reality.
Republicans spend less.
Obama deficit spent more than other presidents combined.
Never look at percentages look at absolutes.
Percentages mislead.

too bad you can't provide one link to support any of those false statements
Title: Re: Local FOX anchor suspended for calling Rachel Maddow 'angry young man'...
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
one was a sports broadcaster and the other a Top 40 dee jay.

degrees from government schools do not guarantee success

USA is still a place where productive genius and ability can make you rich.

Bill gates doesn't have anything but a high school degree.  He also spoke of business school like this: "business is simple, income-expense and have a large posative number, and I didn't think 2 years at a business school would teach me different"

Aso note computing is one of the least regulated industries, and highest growth.

I guess I just don't understand the programming socialsits recieve at government schools and don't take it seriously.

None of these government schools created linux, a kid named linus did.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:37:03 PM
too bad you can't provide one link to support any of those false statements

Do you get that factcheck is a democrat website and lies right?

Well I see even on CNN deficit is nearing 17T, and wikipedia shows in 2008 deficit was 8T, and wikipedia is a democrat website probably skewing things in Obama's favor as well.  Thats 9T, and now we have 4 more years.

Can you even attempt to argue that without babbling about percentages?
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 24, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Do you get that factcheck is a democrat website and lies right?

Well I see even on CNN deficit is nearing 17T, and wikipedia shows in 2008 deficit was 8T, and wikipedia is a democrat website probably skewing things in Obama's favor as well.  Thats 9T, and now we have 4 more years.

Can you even attempt to argue that without babbling about percentages?

still not a single link

spare me your idiotic ramblings
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
still not a single link

spare me your idiotic ramblings

I bet you love reddit and jon stewart. lol
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
This is why you can't break your programming and see reality.
Republicans spend less.
Obama deficit spent more than other presidents combined.
Never look at percentages look at absolutes.
Percentages mislead.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
I bet you love reddit and jon stewart. lol

I bet you love Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage. LOL!
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Never look at percentages look at absolutes.
Percentages mislead.

In the early 1960's my stepdad earned about $1,500 to $2,500 a month (he was self-employed). My parents' home cost $32,000 and their 57 Cadillac convertible ran them about $9,000 new. A 2013 Cadillac CTS sport sells for around $60,000 loaded. That home in Encino, CA is currently listed on Zillow as being worth $1,270,000.

Not using percentages, if my stepdad were alive today, how much would his income have to be to afford the same lifestyle my parents (and I) enjoyed then?

These things are mostly relative. This is why percentages do count in economics.

Incidentally, the answer is that he would need to earn between $12,000 and $20,000 a month today using an average inflation rate of 4% per year. Notice that a percentile is used to calculate this result.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

we already said percentages are BS
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 24, 2012, 08:08:19 PM
we already said percentages are BS

Apparently everything that isnt right wing propaganda is BS to you
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 24, 2012, 08:21:23 PM
Apparently everything that isnt right wing propaganda is BS to you

Hardly.

I read both sides.

I have found the austrain school of economics is economics.  When you get that Keynes was just a guy who said yes to politicians who wanted to deficit spend, and then made up a theory why it is ok, you get it.

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are right.  Obama is wrong. 

I think people vote democrat because they see the world as bunch of greedy little guys with bags of money and themselves as shining rebels like robin hood.  It seems ok to steal from producers to give to low iq or lazy or attitudey people. Then the reality that things must be produced hits.   Try running a biz where if you fire soemone they claim you don't like them for color or some other thing not because they are bad at the job.  wow

The fed and deficits help with the illusion, since people don't get charged for the spending.  It's amazing to me.   I mean 33336 adn me and I dunno 1 or two others post slightly non democrat views but there are liek 20 hardcore democrats here going bonkers all the time. 

When you deficit spend you get misallocation and bubbles.  You get big inflation like gas going to 5$ from 1.50.
Thats how the common man gets jacked.  House and gas and food etc go up up up.
Under normal lower government conditions things go down in price as efficiency goes up.
Government grabs so much that things get outa hand, which is what we are seeing now, and since governmetn schools and media conspire against the one cure that works, namely lowering government spending and the number of welfare jobs, its tuff to stop them.

I still think the myth of little greedy monocle waering monoply men running around with bags of money they won't share is the real reason people vote for goon like obama.  They just think tax them more, and things magically get better, like most of the money goes to the common man lol

There is a name for when government give to cronies and suppresses individual freedom: socialism.

I feel like the villager in the holy grail 'I'm being oppressed' lol
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 24, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
we already said percentages are BS

You are now a whole group of people? I don't see it. What I see is a lot of folk thinking you are wrong and/or crazy stupid.
Title: Barack Obama had a "recycling" program that used crony capitalism to reward its
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:19:15 AM
Peter Schweizer, president of the Government Accountability Institute, said President Barack Obama had a "recycling" program that used crony capitalism to reward its campaign contributors, who would then funnel money back to the Obama campaign. 
 
Appearing on Fox News's one-hour special on Thursday about the "District of Corruption" movie, Schweizer said crony capitalism was so rampant in the Obama administration that Obama campaign bundlers received more than $21,000 on average in government-backed loans and grants for every dollar they contributed to the Obama campaign.
 
Schweizer said the Obama administration treated taxpayer dollars as "gift bags" to give to its top donors, which he called "the Obama recycling program."
 
In many instances, Schweizer said top Obama administration bundlers and influential Democrats -- like California Senator Dianne Feinstein and former Vice President Al Gore-- invested in companies before those companies received government-backed loans and grants, and then saw their investments flourish.

cont... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/23/Peter-Schweizer-Obama-Admin-Uses-Green-Energy-Loans-To-Recycle-Money-Back-To-Donors (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/23/Peter-Schweizer-Obama-Admin-Uses-Green-Energy-Loans-To-Recycle-Money-Back-To-Donors)
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:21:04 AM
You are now a whole group of people? I don't see it. What I see is a lot of folk thinking you are wrong and/or crazy stupid.

Ok lets get this straight:
me
154 iq
6 fig net worth
top 20 university degre
live by beach in socal, 200 yards from sand
tall german irish russian french blue eyes with mass and ladies galore 0 kids

you:
garbage truck driver
beleives in reddit n jon stewart bs
no life


thx
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: whork on November 25, 2012, 06:59:58 AM
Ok lets get this straight:
me
154 iq
6 fig net worth
top 20 university degre
live by beach in socal, 200 yards from sand
tall german irish russian french blue eyes with mass and ladies galore 0 kids

you:
garbage truck driver
beleives in reddit n jon stewart bs
no life


thx

Lol 154 IQ
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Archer77 on November 25, 2012, 07:44:22 AM
Ok lets get this straight:
me
154 iq
6 fig net worth
top 20 university degre
live by beach in socal, 200 yards from sand
tall german irish russian french blue eyes with mass and ladies galore 0 kids

you:
garbage truck driver
beleives in reddit n jon stewart bs
no life


thx

You must not have much of a social life because you are on here posting all day.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
You must not have much of a social life because you are on here posting all day.

another clue that he's 333
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
Lol 154 IQ

LOL at all of it
Title: Re: Barack Obama had a "recycling" program that used crony capitalism to reward its
Post by: tbombz on November 25, 2012, 11:06:30 AM
The causation is backwards.  They didn't get government money because they donated to obama.  They donated to obama in order to get government money.  You see, if your big on green energy and a candidate running for office if also big on green energy then your likely to contribute to his campaign because you know his policies will be in your interest.    If someone didn't want government money going to green energy then they shouldn't have voted for obama because he campaigned on that premise.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 25, 2012, 11:20:44 AM
another clue that he's 333

New rules need to be followed straw. 
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
Its always a sign of serious issue when someone has to to post how much money they make along with all their accomplishments on a forum especially when they are new to it.

Its one of 3 things:

1.  Complete lies
2.  Serious self esteem issues
3.  Both 1 and 2  

Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2012, 11:24:01 AM
another clue that he's 333

Poor conclusion.

Just because he posts as frequently as 333333 doesn't mean he's 3333.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 11:38:48 AM
New rules need to be followed straw. 

I have no idea what rule I broke nor do I care
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
Poor conclusion.

Just because he posts as frequently as 333333 doesn't mean he's 3333.

I didn't say it was conclusive

I said it was a clue

they both are polluting this board with their insane, unproven claims

Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 25, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
I have no idea what rule I broke nor do I care

You are baiting me again.   Follow the rules please, they are some and fair. 
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
You must not have much of a social life because you are on here posting all day.

well gay bars aren't an option for me...
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
I didn't say it was conclusive

I said it was a clue

they both are polluting this board with their insane, unproven claims



Its not even a clue. 
Title: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
Debt went from 8 to 30T
didn't end iraq or afghanistan wars
spent more on military than Bush
unionized fedex
allowed fed to run wild and debt up the economy instead fo moving toward balanced budget
nuked middle class
took away most gun rights
created more debt than all previous presidents combined
fast and furious
the worst president of all time
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: a_ahmed on November 25, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
attacked 5 more countries after bush. Don't forget that one. Every subsequent American president is a worse off president. It's not the character, it's the system and the lobbies behind it. Donkey or monkey or elephant or giraffe, it makes no difference. They are the same animals pushing for the same goals. Not in your favour, certainly not in the favour of the world.
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 01:10:08 PM
(http://fhg.extremeladyboys.com/elb/fhg/1135_Naomi_xetcb/001.jpg)
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
Its not even a clue. 

sure it is

so is being the first 4 or 5 posts on his own thread, talking about Austrian economics etc.. and the fact that the gimmick started posting like crazy just when 333 was sulking and sending pm's after Obama was re-elected
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 01:13:41 PM
You are baiting me again.   Follow the rules please, they are some and fair. 

I'm not even talking to you

it's not my problem if your paranoid and diseased brain thinks you're being baited
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: whork on November 25, 2012, 01:17:59 PM
Debt went from 8 to 30T
didn't end iraq or afghanistan wars
spent more on military than Bush
unionized fedex
allowed fed to run wild and debt up the economy instead fo moving toward balanced budget
nuked middle class
took away most gun rights
created more debt than all previous presidents combined
fast and furious
the worst president of all time

Made a lot of low IQ Fox news sheep humiliate themselves on GB.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 25, 2012, 01:23:38 PM
sure it is

so is being the first 4 or 5 posts on his own thread, talking about Austrian economics etc.. and the fact that the gimmick started posting like crazy just when 333 was sulking and sending pm's after Obama was re-elected


Lol.    Takes osmosis advice.   And pleas follow the rules. 
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: blacken700 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:51 PM
Made a lot of low IQ Fox news sheep humiliate themselves on GB.


x2  :D :D :D
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 01:24:54 PM

Lol.    Takes osmosis advice.   And pleas follow the rules. 

stop baiting me

follow the rules
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Made a lot of penniless low iq CNN and MSNBC watching sheep feel like they are brad pitt and einstein combined on GB.

fixed

(http://galleries.ferronetwork.com/fhg/straponsissies/pictures/5121_1/straponsissies_g5121_004.jpg)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 01:57:52 PM
the democrat method is get a lot of money out thin air, spend it before anyone knows wahts going on, and retire, the dodd frank method

the founding fathers knew this happens and put government in a straight jacket and turned it agaisnt tiself on purpose

the capitalism, which we never fulyl had, made usa no 1

now dems and others who cant stop drinking the booz of unearned cash, are releasing all the straigth jacket knots, not getting that in the end it will cause more inequality

sad

(http://www.shemale-porn-galls.com/galls/shemaleclub/holly_harlow_pic4/2.jpg)
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: whork on November 25, 2012, 02:02:30 PM
fixed

(http://galleries.ferronetwork.com/fhg/straponsissies/pictures/5121_1/straponsissies_g5121_004.jpg)

Penilles?
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 02:15:02 PM
Penilles?

Penniless means destitute.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 25, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
Ok lets get this straight:
me
154 iq
6 fig net worth
top 20 university degre
live by beach in socal, 200 yards from sand
tall german irish russian french blue eyes with mass and ladies galore 0 kids

you:
garbage truck driver
beleives in reddit n jon stewart bs
no life


thx

For a person who claims to have an IQ of 154, you don't seem to be able to answer the question which was asked. Comprehension issues perhaps?

Just so you know, me:

IQ - no idea what it is today since I haven't bothered having it tested since I was a little kid at which time I was told it was high.

Net worth - high 6 figures

Education - not as good as you claim to have, yet fail to exhibit in any meaningful way.

Live in West Linn, OR an upscale suburb of Portland. (lived in Santa Monica, CA, 3 houses back from the boardwalk, when I moved from home at 18 years old. Found the winters too dreary so I moved.

5'11" tall. Green eyes. Member of the SAR. Married 48 years with two children and four grandchildren.

My guess is you:

-Immature; lives with parent....probably a single mom who coddles you

-Unemployed; sponges off parent

-Likely alcoholic with acute ADHD

-Right wing nut with an unnatural fixation on Ayn Rand and a sexual attraction to transsexuals with large fake boobs

-Braggart with an imaginary life


Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 25, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
well gay bars aren't an option for me...

So where do you pick up those transsexuals with big boobs....oh that's right, they are probably prostitutes who work the streets where you live. I get it now.
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:16:08 PM
sure it is

so is being the first 4 or 5 posts on his own thread, talking about Austrian economics etc.. and the fact that the gimmick started posting like crazy just when 333 was sulking and sending pm's after Obama was re-elected

the moderator merged a bunch of my posts, ace
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
For a person who claims to have an IQ of 154, you don't seem to be able to answer the question which was asked. Comprehension issues perhaps?

Just so you know, me:

IQ - no idea what it is today since I haven't bothered having it tested since I was a little kid at which time I was told it was high.

Net worth - high 6 figures

Education - not as good as you claim to have, yet fail to exhibit in any meaningful way.

Live in West Linn, OR an upscale suburb of Portland. (lived in Santa Monica, CA, 3 houses back from the boardwalk, when I moved from home at 18 years old. Found the winters too dreary so I moved.

5'11" tall. Green eyes. Member of the SAR. Married 48 years with two children and four grandchildren.

My guess is you:

-Immature; lives with parent....probably a single mom who coddles you

-Unemployed; sponges off parent

-Likely alcoholic with acute ADHD

-Right wing nut with an unnatural fixation on Ayn Rand and a sexual attraction to transsexuals with large fake boobs

-Braggart with an imaginary life



lol this is one you can never win, nev errrr lol
6'6" blue eyes great build wide cheekbones live 200 yards from beach in so cal's south bay not bum infested shithole santa monica
6 fig net worth, liquid not stuck in a house equity in falling market :)
0 kids
get girls
top 20 university degree
154 iq
computer guru
polytheistic
austrain school economist
anti israel objectivist
I like archlinux with the iceWM desktop, pidgin chat, xpdf for pdf, and opera browser.
video games I like include myth 2 soulblighter and baldurs gate.
promoter of mass produced housing free from unions and government penalties
promoter of union free private atomic power and electric megatrains and fuel cells
promoter of 1 lane rotaries to replace all traffic lights and just not putting in a lot of stopsigns, less regulation better
promoter of bringing all troops home and 0 foriegn aid
I noticed you didn't mention kind of work you do?
PS I post in here drunk sometimes so all you nut hugging grammar nazis can save your breath lol
I am a published author and can out write any one of you.
I also am former football and basketball player and have a great inside game.
now just for balance, so this isn't labelled a total meltdown ape chest pounding rant, Things I am bad at:
Any short guy x sports since I am tall.
lying, since my face gives it away or I start laughing
being patient, esp when driving
business, since I don't own a big successful one, but I am trying to change this.
understanding how selfish people are despite what they say otherwise, this I am improving on
typing since I never bothered, and capitalization which sucks for online

(http://fhg.lb-69.com/lb-69/3087_Vicky_Cascade_Cumstress_xfdqh/002.jpg)
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: WOOO on November 25, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
(http://www.superherostuff.com/blog/images/obama-matrix.jpg)
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:41:59 PM
(http://www.superherostuff.com/blog/images/obama-matrix.jpg)

check out that Obama hand lol

http://anatranny.com/hosted/46a/?id=2074055 (http://anatranny.com/hosted/46a/?id=2074055)
Title: Re: How History will remember Barak Obama
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
fixed

(http://galleries.ferronetwork.com/fhg/straponsissies/pictures/5121_1/straponsissies_g5121_004.jpg)

whork may never recover
Title: Re: Barack Obama had a "recycling" program that used crony capitalism to reward its
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 03:47:48 PM
The causation is backwards.  They didn't get government money because they donated to obama.  They donated to obama in order to get government money.  You see, if your big on green energy and a candidate running for office if also big on green energy then your likely to contribute to his campaign because you know his policies will be in your interest.    If someone didn't want government money going to green energy then they shouldn't have voted for obama because he campaigned on that premise.

ah yes

but the gov pays the money out, this is the problem

take away ability of gov to pay and problem fixed

(http://wso.shemax.com/gallys/movies/23qrj/23qrj-thumb2.jpg)
Title: one shoplifter who won't do it again
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 06:03:56 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/alleged-shoplifter-dies-after-being-subdued-by-wal/nTFPx/ (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/alleged-shoplifter-dies-after-being-subdued-by-wal/nTFPx/)

Police say Jose Marcos Picazo, 41, of Azusa, was cornered in the parking lot of the store by 'loss prevention' personnel and restrained.
Title: PRAVDA: Obama 're-elected by illiterate society'...
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 06:08:17 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/)
Title: Liberalism: Psychosis, evil or ignorance?
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 06:09:33 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/history/29-11-2010/115965-liberalism-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/history/29-11-2010/115965-liberalism-0/)
Title: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 06:30:23 PM
Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’t Feel Guilty'

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/25/Barney-Frank-On-Low-Congress-Approval-I-Dont-Feel-Guilty-Because-Voters-Ask-Us-To%20Do-The-Impossible (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/25/Barney-Frank-On-Low-Congress-Approval-I-Dont-Feel-Guilty-Because-Voters-Ask-Us-To%20Do-The-Impossible)

remember Frank said no to stopping fannie loans that caused 2008, just a mega evil guy who should be put up against a wall
Title: GOP warns of shutdown over filibuster Reid gone wild!!!
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84195.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84195.html)

This Reid guy is really becoming a nazi.

His pal is building a 1000 home development with its own hospitals with his crony money.  http://www.freedom.org/news/200610/17/randall.phtml (http://www.freedom.org/news/200610/17/randall.phtml)
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 06:45:04 PM
Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’t Feel Guilty'

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/25/Barney-Frank-On-Low-Congress-Approval-I-Dont-Feel-Guilty-Because-Voters-Ask-Us-To%20Do-The-Impossible (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/25/Barney-Frank-On-Low-Congress-Approval-I-Dont-Feel-Guilty-Because-Voters-Ask-Us-To%20Do-The-Impossible)

remember Frank said no to stopping fannie loans that caused 2008, just a mega evil guy who should be put up against a wall

Fannie/Freddie didn't cause anything
Title: Re: GOP warns of shutdown over filibuster Reid gone wild!!!
Post by: Straw Man on November 25, 2012, 06:47:12 PM
Fuck the Repubs

If they (or anyone) wants to filibuster then they need to stand up and actually do it

Currently, they can just phone it in and go out drinking

Make these fat old fucks stand up and do it like they did in the old days and you'll see a lot less of this nonsense from both sides
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 25, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
Fannie/Freddie didn't cause anything

LOL!!!!


Are you kidding or what?  n
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 25, 2012, 07:26:03 PM
Fannie/Freddie didn't cause anything

As some one in th elending industry at that time, trust me, yes they did.  Two things that went hand in hand were...

*Community Reinvestment Act

*Mortgage Backed Securities

I personally remember George W Bush recommending oversight of Fanny and Freddie as far back as 2003.  He warned Congress that there was trouble brewing.  The Democrats killed that idea and raised holy hell saying that there was nothing wrong and anyone who didn't support the CRA was a racist, blah, blah, blah.  The comical part is now years after the bottom fell out Dems have got the public convinced that it was all Bush's fault.  Laughable.  This link gives a good timeline for anyone interested in reality.

http://www.thehispanicconservative.com/General/the-fanny-mae-and-freddie-mac-debacle.html
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 08:07:50 PM
fannie along with clinton edict of must give poor non bill payer a house loan and fed = 2008

don't kid yourself

any other arguments are: (http://eddiebaran.com/images/eddie_baran_v-sit.jpg)
Title: Rand Paul might run in 2016, aw yeah
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
Ron Paul should be president now.
end the wars
end the bureaucrat feeding frenzy
get back to kick butt capitalism

rand paul 2016! http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-interested-2016-presidential-run-165908087.html (http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-interested-2016-presidential-run-165908087.html)

get away from democrat logic which looks like this : (http://eddiebaran.com/images/eddie_baran_v-sit.jpg)
Title: Congressional Black Caucus Discovers Entire English Language is a Racist Code Wo
Post by: magikusar on November 25, 2012, 09:08:17 PM
Congressional Black Caucus Discovers Entire English Language is a Racist Code Word

http://www.standupamericaus.org/politics-washington-dc/racist-racists-accuse-others-of-racism-for-speaking-english/ (http://www.standupamericaus.org/politics-washington-dc/racist-racists-accuse-others-of-racism-for-speaking-english/)
Title: Re: What are odds jindal switches to be a dem?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 25, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
I noticed you didn't mention kind of work you do?
I am a published author and can out write any one of you.
I also am former football and basketball player and have a great inside game.
now just for balance, so this isn't labelled a total meltdown ape chest pounding rant, Things I am bad at:
Any short guy x sports since I am tall.
lying, since my face gives it away or I start laughing
being patient, esp when driving
business, since I don't own a big successful one, but I am trying to change this.
understanding how selfish people are despite what they say otherwise, this I am improving on
typing since I never bothered, and capitalization which sucks for online

(http://fhg.lb-69.com/lb-69/3087_Vicky_Cascade_Cumstress_xfdqh/002.jpg)

Some of your response is redundant, so I will only address that which is new material with a couple of exceptions.

Exception #1: I have no idea what Santa Monica is like today, since when I lived there it was 50 years ago and it was a nice beach town.

Exception #2: I sometimes drink to much too. Nobody is perfect.

I did not mention my work because I am retired. I'm 68 years old, remember? However, this doesn't mean I do nothing. I am board chair for a non-profit organization. I am the secretary - treasurer for another non profit organization. I am very politically involved. I worked during the recent election cycle to get the candidates our organizations endorsed elected. Being as how most all of them were Democrats, I am happy to say I and my campaign coworkers were very successful. Now that the elections are over, I will continue my work as a congressional network and legislative network liaison and lobbyist. In addition to these little distractions, I am the primary caregiver for my wife who is permanently disabled and quite ill. Needless to say, I am lucky to have planned for my "retirement" since there wouldn't be a lot of time left for me to go to work at this point.

Exception #3: I am also published. Unlike you, my posting style reflects this to some small degree.

I must admit that I suck at playing baseball, basketball and football, always have. I wish I'd been more accomplished in these endeavors, but it simply wasn't my strong suit. As a teenager, I was a fairly good swimmer and equestrian (have not been riding in decades).

What is a short guy sport? Did I mention my father was 6'6". I have no idea why I am so short at 5'11".

We have the next two items on your list in common. I cannot successfully lie, therefore I don't bother to try anymore and I am very impatient especially when I am driving, although I am working on this typical type A negative characteristic.

I wish you success in any future business endeavors you may pursue. Being self employed is hard work, but done right, it really pays off big time. Since my stepdad owned his own business, I witnessed both the good and bad aspects of this. Some of my friends, who are also now retired, have done very well for themselves by being their own bosses. I never had the stomach for it. I think I am basically insecure when it comes to taking chances with money.

People are what you believe them to be. If you look for selfishness, you will find it. I prefer to look for the good in people. I am rarely disappointed.

Despite my giving you a hard time about your typing and grammar skills, I believe I detect that you suffer some ADHD and dyslexia issues. Although we may have differing opinions on many subjects, I recognize that you have given a lot of thought and time studying much of what you believe. If you could keyboard better, you'd be a lot more credible.

So when are you going to invite me for a visit at the beach? The rain where I live can get a person down after awhile. As I remember, winter weather there isn't the best, but our spring rains last a least until July 4th. A beach break in Southern California would be excellent. Let's just agree to not talk politics, OK?

Is that a transsexual in the photo you've attached?  

Title: Re: Liberalism: Psychosis, evil or ignorance?
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 25, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
"Are liberals mentally ill, spiritually depraved or just ignorant good-hearted people trying to improve society?"

Lol, yes to all. 
Title: schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was re
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 12:10:19 AM
schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents

This GUy is AWESOME

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/)

Obama's Soviet Mistake
19.11.2012
 

By Xavier Lerma

Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.

After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.

Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Putin said regarding the military,
 
 
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"...instead of solving the problem, militarization pushes it to a deeper level. It draws away from the economy immense financial and material resources, which could have been used much more efficiently elsewhere."

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it.  He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia.  Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion.

Reading Putin's speech without knowing the author, one would think it was written by Reagan or another conservative in America. The speech promotes smaller government and less taxes. It comes as no surprise to those who know Putin as a conservative. Vladimir Putin went on to say:

"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.

 The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.

There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.

Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.

During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."

President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.

"We must seek support in the moral values that have ensured the progress of our civilization. Honesty and hard work, responsibility and faith in our strength are bound to bring us success."- Vladimir Putin

The red, white and blue still flies happily but only in Russia. Russia still has St George defeating the Dragon with the symbol of the cross on its' flag. The ACLU and other atheist groups in America would never allow the US flag with such religious symbols. Lawsuits a plenty against religious freedom and expression in the land of the free. Christianity in the U.S. is under attack as it was during the early period of the Soviet Union when religious symbols were against the law.   

Let's give American voters the benefit of the doubt and say it was all voter fraud and not ignorance or stupidity in electing a man who does not even know what to do and refuses help from Russia when there was an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Instead we'll say it's true that the Communists usage of electronic voting was just a plan to manipulate the vote. Soros and his ownership of the company that counts the US votes in Spain helped put their puppet in power in the White House. According to the Huffington Post, residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the Unites States. We'll say that these Americans are hostages to the Communists in power. How long will their government reign tyranny upon them?

Russia lost its' civil war with the Reds and millions suffered torture and death for almost 75 years under the tyranny of the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians survived with a new and stronger faith in God and ever growing Christian Church. The question is how long will the once "Land of the Free" remain the United Socialist States of America?  Their suffering has only begun. Bye bye Miss American Pie!  You know the song you hippies. Sing it! Don't you remember? The 1971 hit song by American song writer Don McLean:

"And, as I watched him on the stage my hands were clenched in fists of rage.

No angel born in Hell could break that Satan's spell

And, as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite, I saw...

Satan laughing with delight the day the music died

He was singing, bye bye Miss American Pie

Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry

Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye, singing...

This'll be the day that I die

This'll be the day that I die

So, the question remains:

How long will America suffer and to what depths?

 

Xavier Lerma
Title: Soros and his ownership of the company that counts the US votes in Spain
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 12:13:31 AM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/)

holy shhhittttttt
Title: Re: schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was re
Post by: WOOO on November 26, 2012, 04:57:12 AM
the goofiness of the the american't right knows no bounds
Title: Re: schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was re
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 26, 2012, 05:10:16 AM
the goofiness of the the american't right knows no bounds

Republicans are Goofy.  Wow, what a well thought out and detailed argument.  I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: whork on November 26, 2012, 08:43:57 AM
As some one in th elending industry at that time, trust me, yes they did.  Two things that went hand in hand were...

*Community Reinvestment Act

*Mortgage Backed Securities

I personally remember George W Bush recommending oversight of Fanny and Freddie as far back as 2003.  He warned Congress that there was trouble brewing.  The Democrats killed that idea and raised holy hell saying that there was nothing wrong and anyone who didn't support the CRA was a racist, blah, blah, blah.  The comical part is now years after the bottom fell out Dems have got the public convinced that it was all Bush's fault.  Laughable.  This link gives a good timeline for anyone interested in reality.

http://www.thehispanicconservative.com/General/the-fanny-mae-and-freddie-mac-debacle.html

Source?
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: Straw Man on November 26, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
As some one in th elending industry at that time, trust me, yes they did.  Two things that went hand in hand were...

*Community Reinvestment Act

*Mortgage Backed Securities

I personally remember George W Bush recommending oversight of Fanny and Freddie as far back as 2003.  He warned Congress that there was trouble brewing.  The Democrats killed that idea and raised holy hell saying that there was nothing wrong and anyone who didn't support the CRA was a racist, blah, blah, blah.  The comical part is now years after the bottom fell out Dems have got the public convinced that it was all Bush's fault.  Laughable.  This link gives a good timeline for anyone interested in reality.

http://www.thehispanicconservative.com/General/the-fanny-mae-and-freddie-mac-debacle.html

nice mish mash of meaningless crap

MBS have existed for a long time as has the CRA

the cause of the cause of the meltdown was the deregulation of the commodities market that allowed investment banks to create pools of mortgage that were designed to fail.   This wasn't the original intent but as investments banks (Lehman and Bears Stearns) created the Alt-A loan product they gradually started loosening UW standards.    With this new source of easy money in the market an asset bubble was created and eventually certain banks and hedge funds figured out that they could create pools of loans that were designed to fail and cash in on the credit default swaps (something that AIG and other companies were allowed to create without ever having the asset base to back them up)

It's amazing how so many years after the meltdown that we still have these right wingers passing along the same stupid lies about what caused the problem when the facts have been presented many many times over

Fannie/Freddie, CRA etc.. are all right wing scapegoats and did not CAUSE anything

when the asset bubble popped then any bank, lender or associated institution that was holding MBS was going to be effected as the value of their assets declined or became impossible to value accurately on a balance sheet
Title: Re: Barney Frank On Low Congress Approval: Voters Give Us 'Impossible' Task, 'I Don’
Post by: whork on November 26, 2012, 10:01:17 AM
nice mish mash of meaningless crap

MBS have existed for a long time as has the CRA

the cause of the cause of the meltdown was the deregulation of the commodities market that allowed investment banks to create pools of mortgage that were designed to fail.   This wasn't the original intent but as investments banks (Lehman and Bears Stearns) created the Alt-A loan product they gradually started loosening UW standards.    With this new source of easy money in the market an asset bubble was created and eventually certain banks and hedge funds figured out that they could create pools of loans that were designed to fail and cash in on the credit default swaps (something that AIG and other companies were allowed to create without ever having the asset base to back them up)

It's amazing how so many years after the meltdown that we still have these right wingers passing along the same stupid lies about what caused the problem when the facts have been presented many many times over

Fannie/Freddie, CRA etc.. are all right wing scapegoats and did not CAUSE anything

when the asset bubble popped then any bank, lender or associated institution that was holding MBS was going to be effected as the value of their assets declined or became impossible to value accurately on a balance sheet

Good post
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Skip8282 on November 26, 2012, 04:41:56 PM
Well...far be it from me to let bragging pass by without getting some in myself.

Me:

6'8"
275 -  RIPPED
Hitting 50 lb's with my pinkie finger (about 60 sets per workout)
Income:  High 7 figures
Hair:  Like Fabio
Women:  Numerous and ALL models
Education:  PhD, MD, DDS, LLS, GBD
House:  What's that?
Mansions:  6 - 3 in exotic locations
Title: Re: Liberalism: Psychosis, evil or ignorance?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 26, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
"Are liberals mentally ill, spiritually depraved or just ignorant good-hearted people trying to improve society?"

Lol, yes to all.  

We liberals are not perfect, but they're nuts!
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 26, 2012, 05:01:38 PM
Well...far be it from me to let bragging pass by without getting some in myself.

Me:

6'8"
275 -  RIPPED
Hitting 50 lb's with my pinkie finger (about 60 sets per workout)
Income:  High 7 figures
Hair:  Like Fabio
Women:  Numerous and ALL models
Education:  PhD, MD, DDS, LLS, GBD
House:  What's that?
Mansions:  6 - 3 in exotic locations

Well, now I am impressed except for the hair! LOL.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
Well...far be it from me to let bragging pass by without getting some in myself.

Me:

6'8"
275 -  RIPPED
Hitting 50 lb's with my pinkie finger (about 60 sets per workout)
Income:  High 7 figures
Hair:  Like Fabio
Women:  Numerous and ALL models
Education:  PhD, MD, DDS, LLS, GBD
House:  What's that?
Mansions:  6 - 3 in exotic locations

One slight difference, I didn't make anything up!!  ;D
Title: Rik Santorums awesome idea: 0 tax manufacturing use 30mil unemplyed and dummies
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
make all those lazy wankers productive with factories

this is an awesome idea

the made in america plan

http://www.ricksantorum.com/made-america (http://www.ricksantorum.com/made-america)
Title: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 10:47:52 PM
Here’s How it Will be Done…

Incrementalism has proved depressingly effective as a tool for getting most people to quietly surrender their rights piecemeal. For gradually habituating them to an ever-diminishing circle of liberty. When the circle finally closes and their rights no longer exist at all, they hardly notice – because by that time, most of their rights have already been taken.
 
The final surrender is met with a shrug rather than a scream of outrage.
 
Think how Americans have been habituated to arbitrary search and seizure. Something like the TSA would simply not have been tolerated if it came out of the blue sky circa 1980. And no, the terrr attacks of nineleven did not “change everything.” Getting people to accept “sobriety checkpoints” beginning around 1980 changed everything. Accept that – and something like Gate Rape is inevitable.

The same process works just as well when it comes to dismantling due process – and removing limits on what the government may not do to us. We didn’t get to legal strip searches for jaywalking or littering in one fell swoop. Nor rendition, torture as policy – and presidential kill lists. It is a matter of getting them – getting us – to  tolerate “A” so that “B” will be accepted in turn.

cont...http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/11/24/heres-how-it-will-be-done/ (http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/11/24/heres-how-it-will-be-done/)  >:(
Title: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: magikusar on November 26, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
Getting 50 MPG out of a gallon of gas has gotten a lot more expensive over the past 20-something years.

Back in 1990, it only cost $5,995 – $10,614 in corrected-for-2012 Fed Funny Money. That sum would buy you a new Geo Metro XFi hatchback, a car capable of 53 city, 58 highway (43 city/52 highway using the EPA”s latest “adjusted” standards).
 
See here, if you don’t believe me.
 
Today, the only new car that can match that mileage is a Toyota Prius hybrid – the least expensive version of which – the 2013 Prius C – has a sticker price of $18,950 in current Fed Funny Money. So, you’ll pay nearly twice as much to go about as far on a gallon of gas. (Actually, more than that, because it takes about three times the quantity of Fed Funny Money to buy a gallon today vs. back in 1990.)
 
If Uncle really gave a damn about us – as opposed to increasing his power over us -  don’t you think he’d encourage more cars like the Metro? Wouldn’t they “reduce our dependence on foreign oil”? Wouldn’t they contribute less to “global warming” by dint of converting less gasoline into carbon dioxide?
 
Well?
 
In fact, Uncle has done everything conceivable to take such cars off the road. To make them an impossibility. He has  legislated – and regulated – them out of existence. There is nothing comparable to the Metro available new today, nor has there been for at least a decade. Why? Did affordable economical cars (as distinct from today’s hybrid cars) suddenly become unsaleable? Or did government make them impossible to sell?
 
Consider:
 
For the entire history of the automobile, from the Model T to the modern era, there were always cheap little cars that got great gas mileage (in relative and real terms). In the deco era of the roaring ’20s, Blue Light Special Model Ts mingled with Cords and Auburns. In the ’50s, Power Pack dual quad 283 Bel Airs and monstrous Cadillacs shared the road with Nash Metropolitans. In the ’60s, there were agile little Corvairs among the mighty muscle cars – and by the ’70s, Beetles (and Datsun B210s and Civic CVCCs) were literally everywhere.
 
As recently as the ’90s, cars like the Metro abounded. There was the Honda Civic CRX – capable of 52 MPG on the highway (47 MPG, adjusted by the EPA to reflect current measuring methods). The 43 MPG Ford Festiva. The 45 MPG Mercury Lynx. There were literally dozens of them, all makes and models.
 
Now, they’re all gone.
 
And the only way to save money on gas is to spend a lot of it on a new hybrid.
 
A hybrid is expensive because it has to be. You’re paying for two powertrains instead of just the one. A normal gas engine to keep the batteries topped off, plus electric motors and all the stuff associated with their operation. Of course this results in a car that is also heavy as well as expensive. The Prius C – lightest of all current hybrids – weighs 2,500 lbs. The 1990 Geo Metro weighed 1,620 lbs. It’s an inescapable law of physics that you need more and more power to move more and more mass. Thus, the “efficient” Prius C is propelled by a 1.5 liter four cylinder engine – while the almost 1,000 lbs. lighter Metro was able to get around (and get around just as quickly) with a three cylinder, 1.0 liter engine.

cont... http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/10/30/50-mpg-then-and-now/ (http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/10/30/50-mpg-then-and-now/)
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 03:29:21 AM
Come and take them! 

Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: falco on November 27, 2012, 03:46:33 AM
"who killed the electric car?"
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Come and take them! 


Oh we're coming for them...  You have no right buddy!
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 04:16:51 AM
Oh we're coming for them...  You have no right buddy!

Bring your whole crew. 
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 04:21:18 AM
Bring your whole crew. 
You will be deleted.
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 04:30:52 AM
You will be deleted.

People that come after me looking for trouble will find it.   
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 04:37:25 AM
People that come after me looking for trouble will find it.   
calm down virgin; I was joking.  I'm on the same page lol...
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 04:48:24 AM
calm down virgin; I was joking.  I'm on the same page lol...

He he, I'm no virgin.  I've got so many STD's half of them don't even have names yet.

This just happens to be an issue about which I'm dead serious.  You'll have to forgive me for not recognizing that you are a supporter of liberty, Hugo Chavez.   :D   
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 27, 2012, 05:01:04 AM
How are they going to come?  In the middle of the night?  Black outfits?  By helicopters?

Never mind your little failure Mitt was more opposed to guns than any prior candidate.  Obama has been nothing but gun friendly.
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 05:01:39 AM
He he, I'm no virgin.  I've got so many STD's half of them don't even have names yet.

This just happens to be an issue about which I'm dead serious.  You'll have to forgive me for not recognizing that you are a supporter of liberty, Hugo Chavez.   :D    
Don't worry, I'm taking a guess that I was dead serious about this issue when you were getting your diapers changed.  Forgive me for thinking you are a virgin.  I sometimes make that mistake when people start braging about their 9 inch cocks and mistaking normal shaved pussies for a penoris on the board. ;)
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 05:17:24 AM
Don't worry, I'm taking a guess that I was dead serious about this issue when you were getting your diapers changed.  Forgive me for thinking you are a virgin.  I sometimes make that mistake when people start braging about their 9 inch cocks and mistaking normal shaved pussies for a penoris on the board. ;)

I see you know my work, lol.  I was telling the truth about my cock though.  The size not the STDs.  It's a problem more than a positive.  It's a grower not a shower too so it sneaks up on bitches.  Regarding the penoris, the photo could have just been a bad angle but I have some reservations about it.       
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 05:21:33 AM
How are they going to come?  In the middle of the night?  Black outfits?  By helicopters?

Never mind your little failure Mitt was more opposed to guns than any prior candidate.  Obama has been nothing but gun friendly.

They are cowards so they will probablly come at night dressed in black.  I'm talking about cop-erators not ninjas.  Ninjas would be more problematic but there are contingency plans.  I can't tell you any more, OPSEC.
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 05:36:26 AM
They are cowards so they will probablly come at night dressed in black.  I'm talking about cop-erators not ninjas.  Ninjas would be more problematic but there are contingency plans.  I can't tell you any more, OPSEC.
did you just start talking about ninjas and secrecy lol....  You're adding geek onto virgin?  ohhh. lol...  You're not going to last long here talking like this.
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 05:47:30 AM
did you just start talking about ninjas and secrecy lol....  You're adding geek onto virgin?  ohhh. lol...  You're not going to last long here talking like this.

I said too much.   I'm not paranoid, I just maintain a constant state of suspicious alertness.

Just because I'm sitting at my computer, naked, wearing a K-pot wrapped in tinfoil doesn't mean I'm a geek.
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 27, 2012, 06:08:06 AM
I said too much. 
yup... that's usually it lol...
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 27, 2012, 07:00:07 AM
I said too much.   I'm not paranoid, I just maintain a constant state of suspicious alertness.

Just because I'm sitting at my computer, naked, wearing a K-pot wrapped in tinfoil doesn't mean I'm a geek.

Wait are you Trekkie_Ogre on WoW???
Title: Re: ok democrats, now I'm pissed
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
Wait are you Trekkie_Ogre on WoW???

I'm not a gamer.  I'm just preparing for the apocalypse and the coming power grab by Chairman Obeezy. 
Title: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/guest-on-fox-news-to-discuss-benghazi-attack-is-given-a-quick-exit/ (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/guest-on-fox-news-to-discuss-benghazi-attack-is-given-a-quick-exit/)
Title: Mainstream Media Caught In Snarl Of Tangled Benghazi Yarns
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/11/19/mainstream-media-caught-in-snarl-of-tangled-benghazi-yarns/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/11/19/mainstream-media-caught-in-snarl-of-tangled-benghazi-yarns/)
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: chadstallion on November 27, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
a channel that has gone downhill since Olbermann left.
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: whork on November 27, 2012, 10:37:09 AM
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/guest-on-fox-news-to-discuss-benghazi-attack-is-given-a-quick-exit/ (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/guest-on-fox-news-to-discuss-benghazi-attack-is-given-a-quick-exit/)

msnbc is pro dem no doubt but they arent paid by them like most Fox crew.

Thats why they lied about poll numbers while msnbc called out Obama as a loser after the first debate.
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: Archer77 on November 27, 2012, 10:42:44 AM
msnbc is pro dem no doubt but they arent paid by them like most Fox crew.

Thats why they lied about poll numbers while msnbc called out Obama as a loser after the first debate.

This is the truth.  MSNBC leans left politically but I've never felt that they outright lie like Fox.
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 11:35:53 AM
msnbc is pro dem no doubt but they arent paid by them like most Fox crew.

Thats why they lied about poll numbers while msnbc called out Obama as a loser after the first debate.

you can't be serious

you get that most people know obamas election was a fraud right?

everyone buy fox going nuts attacking republicans nonstop as do government schools and colleges

fox is one place there is a semi non democrat position and you say crayz stuff?

man all other networks nuthugg obama nonstop and then you have stewart sat night live colbert etc.....

jeesh
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
This is the truth.  MSNBC leans left politically but I've never felt that they outright lie like Fox.

ever watch a chris matthews show?

might as well be obama sitting there
Title: Obama elected due to abortion scaremongering, public wants less debt and spendin
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 11:58:15 AM


One week away from election day, Mitt Romney’s campaign is assuring voters in the critical state of Ohio that Roe v. Wade, the legal underpinning of a woman’s right to have an abortion, will remain in tact if the Republican nominee is elected president.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/mitt-romney-roe-v-wade.php (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/mitt-romney-roe-v-wade.php)

msnbc lies convinced women that roe v wade overturned by Mitt

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/09/24/no-love-for-the-house-compromise-bill/ (http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/09/24/no-love-for-the-house-compromise-bill/)
Title: Re: Nutjob calls fox news a wing of the republican party - what does one call msnbc?
Post by: Archer77 on November 27, 2012, 12:11:51 PM
ever watch a chris matthews show?

might as well be obama sitting there

I try not too.
Title: GOV'T MOTORS doubles down on electric cars...
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 DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors is giving its Chevrolet Spark a jolt of electricity.

An all-electric version of the mini-car will debut this week at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It goes on sale this summer in California, Oregon, Canada and South Korea, where it's made. Other markets will follow.

Unlike the Chevrolet Volt sedan, which can run in all-electric mode but also has a backup gas engine, the Spark EV is a pure electric. GM won't say how far the car will go on a charge, but says it will be a top performer among the small number of EVs available. The current leader, the electric Ford Focus sedan, can go 76 miles on a charge.

The Spark EV will also be cheaper than most of its electric rivals, GM says. Exact pricing hasn't been revealed, but the car will start for less than $25,000 in the U.S. when a $7,500 federal tax credit is factored in. The electric Nissan Leaf starts at $27,700 with the tax credit. Like all electrics, though, the Spark is much pricier than its gasoline-powered equivalent. The gas-operated Spark starts at $12,245.

Here are more details about the Spark - on everything from styling to power:

UNDER THE HOOD: The Spark EV is powered by an electric motor and a 20 kWh lithium ion battery. It gets 130 horsepower and can go from zero to 60 mph in less than 8 seconds, which is several seconds faster than the gas-powered Spark. GM says the Spark EV is the first all-electric vehicle in North America to offer SAE Combo DC Fast Charge capability, which can charge the battery to 80 percent of capacity in about 20 minutes. It can also be fully recharged in seven hours using a standard 240-volt outlet, or longer using a 120-volt outlet.

INSIDE: Though it's a mini-car, it has lots of big-car touches, like leather seats and GM's OnStar safety system. The Spark EV will have a smartphone-based infotainment system that gives drivers access to navigation and music apps like Pandora. Drivers with a compatible iPhone can link up their phones and perform tasks - like sending email or texts - by talking to Apple's Siri. The car also has 10 air bags and electronic stability control, which helps keep it steady despite its small frame.

OUTSIDE: The five-door hatchback is tiny, at 144.7 inches long. That's about five inches longer than a Fiat 500. It comes in lime green and other unusual hues.

CHEERS: GM customers will now have an all-electric option that costs less than its chief rivals. The EV could also increase buyers' interest in the gasoline version of the Spark, which went on sale in the summer.

JEERS: Demand for electric cars has been anemic so far. GM and other automakers have fallen significantly short of EV sales targets, especially as gas prices have fallen. Electrics remain expensive, and drivers are concerned about getting stranded too far from a charging station. While the Spark is great for city drivers who need to fit into tight parking spaces, those drivers may not have garages or other spots to charge up their cars at night.

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Title: Jeb Bush hammers teachers unions at education summit
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 01:00:54 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/jeb-bush-hammers-teachers-unions-education-summit/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/jeb-bush-hammers-teachers-unions-education-summit/)

“We have a system to reward teachers that’s based on an industrialized, unionized model that is completely inappropriate for the 21st century,” Mr. Bush continued. “There are incredibly fine teachers that get paid less even though they’re doing the Lord’s work consistently over time, and there are teachers that are mediocre that get paid more because they’ve been there longer.”

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Title: deficits sky high and endless war and common sense tells us this can't go on
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 02:37:56 PM


He's been around a long time with a consistant message. WE WON'T BE FREE IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH. Only few will be free controlling the rest. Now, where in the world has this worked! My Russian neighbors are dumb founded as to how we can let us turn into another communist China and Soviet system. Where 10's of millions die for the cause of a totalitarian or dictatorial few opportunists treat life as expendable. China has NO donor program yet 70,000 donor's donate yrly. Who's donating who?
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 27, 2012, 03:42:36 PM
Getting 50 MPG out of a gallon of gas has gotten a lot more expensive over the past 20-something years.

Back in 1990, it only cost $5,995 – $10,614 in corrected-for-2012 Fed Funny Money. That sum would buy you a new Geo Metro XFi hatchback, a car capable of 53 city, 58 highway (43 city/52 highway using the EPA”s latest “adjusted” standards).
 
See here, if you don’t believe me.
 
Today, the only new car that can match that mileage is a Toyota Prius hybrid – the least expensive version of which – the 2013 Prius C – has a sticker price of $18,950 in current Fed Funny Money. So, you’ll pay nearly twice as much to go about as far on a gallon of gas. (Actually, more than that, because it takes about three times the quantity of Fed Funny Money to buy a gallon today vs. back in 1990.)
 
If Uncle really gave a damn about us – as opposed to increasing his power over us -  don’t you think he’d encourage more cars like the Metro? Wouldn’t they “reduce our dependence on foreign oil”? Wouldn’t they contribute less to “global warming” by dint of converting less gasoline into carbon dioxide?
 
Well?
 
In fact, Uncle has done everything conceivable to take such cars off the road. To make them an impossibility. He has  legislated – and regulated – them out of existence. There is nothing comparable to the Metro available new today, nor has there been for at least a decade. Why? Did affordable economical cars (as distinct from today’s hybrid cars) suddenly become unsaleable? Or did government make them impossible to sell?
 
Consider:
 
For the entire history of the automobile, from the Model T to the modern era, there were always cheap little cars that got great gas mileage (in relative and real terms). In the deco era of the roaring ’20s, Blue Light Special Model Ts mingled with Cords and Auburns. In the ’50s, Power Pack dual quad 283 Bel Airs and monstrous Cadillacs shared the road with Nash Metropolitans. In the ’60s, there were agile little Corvairs among the mighty muscle cars – and by the ’70s, Beetles (and Datsun B210s and Civic CVCCs) were literally everywhere.
 
As recently as the ’90s, cars like the Metro abounded. There was the Honda Civic CRX – capable of 52 MPG on the highway (47 MPG, adjusted by the EPA to reflect current measuring methods). The 43 MPG Ford Festiva. The 45 MPG Mercury Lynx. There were literally dozens of them, all makes and models.
 
Now, they’re all gone.
 
And the only way to save money on gas is to spend a lot of it on a new hybrid.
 
A hybrid is expensive because it has to be. You’re paying for two powertrains instead of just the one. A normal gas engine to keep the batteries topped off, plus electric motors and all the stuff associated with their operation. Of course this results in a car that is also heavy as well as expensive. The Prius C – lightest of all current hybrids – weighs 2,500 lbs. The 1990 Geo Metro weighed 1,620 lbs. It’s an inescapable law of physics that you need more and more power to move more and more mass. Thus, the “efficient” Prius C is propelled by a 1.5 liter four cylinder engine – while the almost 1,000 lbs. lighter Metro was able to get around (and get around just as quickly) with a three cylinder, 1.0 liter engine.

cont... http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/10/30/50-mpg-then-and-now/ (http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/10/30/50-mpg-then-and-now/)

The average annual wage in 1990 was $21,027.98 verses the average annual wage in 2011, which was $42,979.61.
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
The average annual wage in 1990 was $21,027.98 verses the average annual wage in 2011, which was $42,979.61.

do you make twice what you made in 1990? nice!!
Title: Re: Jeb Bush hammers teachers unions at education summit
Post by: Primemuscle on November 27, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/jeb-bush-hammers-teachers-unions-education-summit/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/jeb-bush-hammers-teachers-unions-education-summit/)

“We have a system to reward teachers that’s based on an industrialized, unionized model that is completely inappropriate for the 21st century,” Mr. Bush continued. “There are incredibly fine teachers that get paid less even though they’re doing the Lord’s work consistently over time, and there are teachers that are mediocre that get paid more because they’ve been there longer.”


Let's hope they are not "doing the Lords work" unless they teach at a religious school or institution.
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 27, 2012, 03:48:30 PM
do you make twice what you made in 1990? nice!!

My figures were taken from government statistics, not personal records. Actually, I think I make more than twice today then what I made in 1990. Here is the link: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html
Title: peter shiff for VP with christie in 2016
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 05:18:27 PM


schiff is an awesome lower gov spending guy

his ideas would fix the obama recession and turn around usa decline into socialist corny state by getting money outa politics and back into entrepreneurs and consumes hands lwoering restriction of trade
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
My figures were taken from government statistics, not personal records. Actually, I think I make more than twice today then what I made in 1990. Here is the link: http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/awidevelop.html

government slants stats you know this? yes?

government says no inflation, you know this yes?

the purchasing power of most americans had gone down due to obama
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 06:16:09 PM
ok I guess all my posts will be placed within this post for now.

I just hope getbig doesn't become another reddit with only democrat voices head.....

I really wish obamacare gave scholarships to push more MDs aka doctors out into the usa market, of course not letting the docs go outside usa to work, and not giving them to foriegners....

If obama care and obama instead of giving money to the banks for the mortgages that the poor guys didn't pay for, simply trained 1000s more doctors and drive down the medical prices in general mass production style.

use henry ford and demings discoveries to make plentiful those things which are scarce, and make thinks massivly productive usign assemply line and process design moving toward 0 defects

if you are going to be a commy be a good commy and make life better, thats what I say
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 06:17:17 PM
Ira Stoll: Treat the 'Tax-Me-More Crowd' to a Voluntary Additional Tax

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The first article, published at Bloomberg View on Nov. 22, comes from two money managers, Whitney Tilson and Anthony Scaramucci.

 The second article, published by The New York Times on November 25, is by Steven Rattner, who reportedly works managing about $5 billion of Mayor Bloomberg’s money notwithstanding an order by the Securities and Exchange Commission in November of 2010 that barred him for two years from associating with any investment adviser or broker-dealer.

 There’s a certain amount of overlap between these articles, almost enough to suggest a coordinated campaign. Tilson and Scaramucci write, “we believe the tax rate for capital gains and dividends, currently 15 percent, should be raised to 20-25 percent. Finally, while some of our friends might not speak to us again for writing this, carried interest, which is the primary source of income for private fund managers such as Governor Romney and ourselves, should be taxed as the regular income that it is. This is one of the most egregious loopholes in the entire tax code.”

 Rattner calls the current tax rate for capital gains and dividends “absurdly low” and declares, “Personally, I would go further and raise the capital gains rate to 28 percent.” Like Tilson and Scaramucci, Rattner also calls for increasing what he calls “the indefensibly low 15 percent tax rate on the famous ‘carried interest,’ the fee received by private equity and certain hedge fund investors.”

 Rattner ridicules the possibility that such tax increases would drive Americans offshore, damage small businesses, or adversely affect the incentive to invest. But consider that such tax increases would come, as Rattner concedes, in conjunction with a new 3.8 percent Medicare tax. And consider, too, that many states also tax capital gains, at rates that in 2013 will top out at 13.3 percent in California and at 12.696 percent in New York City.

 Under the Rattner plan, the top federal tax rates on long-term capital gains would more than double, to 31.8 percent (28 percent + 3.8 percent). New York or California taxes could bring the total up to the neighborhood of 45 percent. In Hong Kong, Singapore, and Switzerland, by contrast, which compete against America in the global economy, the capital gains tax is zero.

 Buffett himself weighed in again on Nov. 26 with another New York Times piece that also targeted “carried interest” (which is how his competitors get paid) and dismissed concerns that tax increases would deter investment.

 Alas, the “tax me more” crowd wins this debate even if taxes don’t go up. That’s because every minute spent debating higher taxes on capital gains and carried interest (which is just a variety of capital gains) is a minute not spent talking about how the deficit problem is really a spending problem, the result not of revenue shortfalls but rather the fact that an extra trillion dollars or so of annual spending — TARP, the stimulus, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars — has now become part of the budget baseline.

 It becomes an argument about “Why don’t the rich pay more?” instead of a discussion about “Why don’t the politicians spend less?” or “How can we increase economic growth?”

 How then, to respond? One way for advocates of lower taxation to reply to the “tax me more” argument is with a variation on what House Republicans call the “Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Act of 2011.” Leave the tax rates and rules where they are, but add a line to the tax return for a VAT — not a value added tax, but a voluntary additional tax.

 Call it the Rattner-Tilson-Scaramucci Tax, or the Buffett Tax. The instruction lines could read something like, “If you think carried interest is an egregious and indefensible loophole, please enter the additional tax you would owe on your own carried interest if it were taxed as ordinary income here. And if you think the capital gains rate should more than double, please enter the additional tax you would owe here, too.

 Remember, this means you think the politicians and their lobbyist friends can spend this money better than you can invest it, spend it, or give it away yourself, or that you think for some reason that the politicians are not going to spend this money but are really going to use it for debt reduction.”

 The State of Massachusetts tried a similar approach in 2001 when it lowered its state income tax rate. It added a line to the state tax return that allowed taxpayers to voluntarily pay the old higher rate. The Wall Street Journal’s Stephen Moore reports that each year about 1,000 Bay State taxpayers choose the higher rate; Senator-elect Elizabeth Warren was not among them.

 If a voluntary additional tax at the federal level, like the Massachusetts one, doesn’t raise much at all in the way of revenues, at least it would have the advantage of clarifying that the “tax me more” clamor isn’t really so much about voluntarism as about trying to force others to pay.

Ira Stoll is editor of FutureOfCapitalism.com and author of “Samuel Adams: A Life.”


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Title: “We have to understand that our problem is spending too much, not taxing too lit
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
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Inhofe to Newsmax: Higher Taxes Not on Table in Fiscal Cliff Talks

 Tuesday, 27 Nov 2012 06:47 PM

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 Sen. Jim Inhofe reaffirmed to Newsmax TV his commitment to not raising taxes to stem the nation’s march toward the so-called fiscal cliff, saying that his GOP colleagues that have make the party look weak.

 “I have not” conceded, the Oklahoma Republican tells Newsmax in an exclusive interview. “I made it very clear that I was not conceding at all. So long as we look weak on that, then they’ve won the battle.

 “We have to understand that our problem is spending too much, not taxing too little. Most of the people understand that. All of the Republicans did understand that, so I’m a little disappointed in some of the actions of my fellow Republicans.”

 Inhofe, who will be the ranking GOP member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in the new term, added that he was sticking to the “Taxpayer Protection Pledge” he signed with Grover Norquist, the influential president of Americans for Tax Reform.

 “There may be others out there, so I came out of the shoot saying I am not going to break from that. I made it in all sincerity – and once we do that, we open the door to the concept that we really are doing a good job governing and we’re going to have to have more revenue,” he said.

 Story continues below the video.





 Inhofe said that Republicans also must do what President Barack Obama is doing – take their plan to avert the fiscal cliff into the court of public opinion.

 “Well, we’re not as persuasive as he is, but we have to be more persuasive. We have righteousness on our side. The vast majority of people would rather understand that what we’re saying is true. So we just have to be as persuasive as he is.

 “The problem with that is he has the bully pulpit,” Inhofe added, referring to Obama. “He can go out anytime he wants, and he has access to the vast majority of the media that doesn’t like conservatives.

 “It’s a problem, but we’ve got the right cause. We have the truth – and we should be able to sell our product better.”

 As a leading GOP member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Inhofe said that he will continue to battle the White House over restrictive environmental legislation and an overreaching U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

 “If you look at the things that this president’s done to destroy America – you talk about the deficit; we talk about his war on fossil fuels keeping us from supplying our own energy; we talk about his disarming military of the United States – what they don’t know is the cost of the regulations.
 “These are regulations that he put off purposely until after the election, because people had realized what it’s going to cost them. I’m talking about the Ozone rule. That would place 650 counties would be out of attainment in the United States.

 “The hydraulic fracturing: He thought he could get by with this thing and say ‘I’m all for fossil fuels, I’m for oil and gas,’ but we’ve got to do something with hydraulic fracturing.

 “The first hydraulic fracturing was in my state – and that was in 1949, and there’s never been a case of groundwater contamination,” Inhofe added. “But, again, they want to regulate that on the federal level instead of the state level so they can do away with it.

 “What can we do about it? We can do all we can to explain the issues, to identify the issues to the American people. Once they hear about it, once they understand it, once they’re educated to it – then we can win.”

 And, Inhofe reiterated his objection to the possibility of U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice serving at U.S. Secretary of State – even more so after she met on Tuesday with GOP Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire.

 Rice met privately with the senators and acting CIA Director Michael Morell for more than an hour to discuss her early comments on the cause of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

 The senators emerged from the session expressing even more questions about the Benghazi assault and doubts about Rice’s fitness as Secretary of State.

 “A story this morning in one of the magazines had quite a misquote on me,” Inhofe began. “I was saying that, in the event that she did not have the information, that she was fed just the White House line and believed it, then I can see why she did what she did starting with the five Sunday shows.

 “So let’s assume that she did not have the knowledge of the truth of what the CIA had uncovered. Still, I would oppose her because of the way that she’s run her office.

 “She, being the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, she has been very consistent in siding with the Palestinians over the Israelis. She has been illegally putting a lot of the money of the United States in UNESCO and the United Nations.

 “There are things that she has done that I would oppose her on anyway, even if it were not for the Benghazi problem,” Inhofe added. “She would have a hard time getting confirmed in spite of the Benghazi thin


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Title: How long did the English empire last?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
How long did england enslave the world for?

What were the agreed upon periods?
Title: Re: Henry ford and deming and the production line
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
oh, brother  ::)

No country can match Canada when it comes to smug self-righteousness.



yeah canadians are like your poor relative who always gives you advice when you make 20x what he does and you help him out all the time

canukz cant get that if they had to pay for DEFENSE their single payer would go bankrupt even FASTER

They also sont get that americans kids from same wealth level as japan dominate over them in writing and math, especailly the home schooled ones.

I wish USA would put massive taxes on japan import to pay for all our defense dollars patrolling that area.

USA needs nothing from japan.

Japan badly needs the USA market.

I am with donald trump: raise import tariffs massively, hek you could finance all the illegals by simply cahring mexico 100k for each one caught and flown back to southern tip of mexico.
Title: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 27, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
government slants stats you know this? yes?

government says no inflation, you know this yes?

the purchasing power of most americans had gone down due to obama

1. I doubt government could successfully "slant" these figures since they are fairly easy to check using other sources....yes? http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm

2.  If the purchasing power has gone down, I don't think you can attribute it to President Obama because wages have stagnated since before the economy crashed and that happened before Obama was in office. $21,000 has the same purchasing power as $36,000 in 2011. http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=21000&year1=1990&year2=2011

3. Government isn't solely responsible for inflation or a recession, such is what we've been experiencing the last several years. You do understand the a recession is the opposite of inflation, don't you? Inflation normally happens during good financial times....Yes? http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Articles/Inflation_and_Recession.asp
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 09:38:28 PM
1. I doubt government could successfully "slant" these figures since they are fairly easy to check using other sources....yes? http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm

2.  If the purchasing power has gone down, I don't think you can attribute it to President Obama because wages have stagnated since before the economy crashed and that happened before Obama was in office. $21,000 has the same purchasing power as $36,000 in 2011. http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=21000&year1=1990&year2=2011

3. Government isn't solely responsible for inflation or a recession, such is what we've been experiencing the last several years. You do understand the a recession is the opposite of inflation, don't you? Inflation normally happens during good financial times....Yes? http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Articles/Inflation_and_Recession.asp


woa not so fast

listen up:

Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: Primemuscle on November 27, 2012, 10:43:36 PM

woa not so fast

listen up:


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John Allison

He is a major contributor to the Ayn Rand Institute and assigned Rand's Atlas Shrugged to all of his senior executives. Calling Atlas Shrugged "the best defense of capitalism ever written," Allison has seen to it that "the BB&T Charitable Foundation has given 25 colleges and universities several million dollars to start programs devoted to the study of Rand's books and economic philosophy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Allison_IV

Just want to be sure some of the less informed folk here understand from where John's beliefs and opinions come. Not saying that this is a good thing or bad; just saying.
Title: Re: 50 mpg car for 6k in 90s were are they now? dems?
Post by: magikusar on November 27, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Allison_IV

Just want to be sure some of the less informed folk here understand from where John's beliefs and opinions come. Not saying that this is a good thing or bad; just saying.

Exactly, like me he is an objectivist, and the funds he managed had 0, read that again, 0 losses in 2008.

He has other videos had objectivism can make you richer and solutions for the messes of government.
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: GigantorX on November 28, 2012, 08:11:42 AM
Sure. Sounds good to me, scale the Federal Govt. back to what it was supposed to be or around what it was supposed to be. Start paying off debt and reduce taxes accordingly.

Let the states take care of the rest. You know, uh, federalism?
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 09:43:47 AM
just amazing this fiscal cliff bullshit

debt is caused by spending more than you take in!!!!

cut spending!!!
Title: 240 did you vote obama or romney?
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 10:47:38 AM
I am confused man.

your posts are mostly democrat with a weird sprinkle of non
Title: Who changed the Benghazi talking points?
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 11:37:38 AM
Who changed the Benghazi talking points?

Who within the Obama administration deleted mention of "terrorism" and "al-Qaeda" from the CIA's talking points on the deadly Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi?


It isn't the only unanswered question in the wake of the tragedy, but it's proven to be one of the most confounding.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57555984/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57555984/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points/)
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: Primemuscle on November 28, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
just amazing this fiscal cliff bullshit

debt is caused by spending more than you take in!!!!

cut spending!!!

Cutting spending alone won't solve the problem. For this to work, spending would have to be cut drastically and that would cause other problems.

As a nation, we have become dependent on social programs (I think the term benefits is more appropriate that entitlements) such as, SSI, SSD, Medicare and Medicaid. These programs are funded through taxation. Employees and employers pay these taxes including all those who are self employed. These programs have been in place for decades. This means a nation of people have come to depend on them and to expect that they will be there when needed. This expectation is not unrealistic considering most of us have made a pretty good investment in these benefits over the course of our working lives.

Additionally, because SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid and Financial Assistance are guaranteed to those who qualify, this has taken away some of the burden of families and friends helping or caring for one another. Medicare and Medicaid as well as health insurance have helped facilitate the high cost of medical care. To be fair, so has the ability to treat illness that a few decades ago, people simply died from.

One analogy might be that these benefits have made many people similar to domesticated dogs. Most canines today are completely dependent on their owners for survival. If said owner decided to cut expenses by letting their dog loose on the world, many would refuse to leave and most would not survive. By feeding and taking care of all of the needs of these little puppies since they were born, we have made them completely dependent on us. One difference is the puppies did not pay into this plan, unless you consider unconditional love payment, but we humans have paid for our benefits and continue to do so.

Human nature is such that those who don't need benefits now, don't appreciate the value of them and resent those who do need them. For example, if you are young and healthy, you may not see any reason for health insurance. Further if you are of working age, particularly if you are younger, you probably cannot imagine a time when you are no longer able to work and might need SSI to help you get by. One way to prove this point is to look at how few young people save or invest on their own any of their current income so it will be there to provide for them when they are old. It is no wonder they don't like paying into SSI and Medicare. Heck, most young people don't even believe they will ever get old or sick....but most will at some point in time.

If these programs need to be reduced to balance the budget, this must be done prospectively. People live longer today then they did several decades ago. They are also, for the most part healthier and can work longer. Adjusting the age for SSI and Medicare accordingly may be one fair way to reduce the expense of these programs. Some of this has already occurred as the retirement age for SSI has increased over the years. SSI should be there for those who have reached an age when they are no longer able to work or are as productive as they might be when they were younger. Medicare or some other medical insurance plan should be available to those who cannot get or afford other insurance plans.

I doubt most citizens of the U.S. are willing to scrap all social programs. If this were to happen, people would be dying in the streets much as they do in third world countries.
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: whork on November 28, 2012, 02:04:08 PM
Cutting spending alone won't solve the problem. For this to work, spending would have to be cut drastically and that would cause other problems.

As a nation, we have become dependent on social programs (I think the term benefits is more appropriate that entitlements) such as, SSI, SSD, Medicare and Medicaid. These programs are funded through taxation. Employees and employers pay these taxes including all those who are self employed. These programs have been in place for decades. This means a nation of people have come to depend on them and to expect that they will be there when needed. This expectation is not unrealistic considering most of us have made a pretty good investment in these benefits over the course of our working lives.

Additionally, because SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid and Financial Assistance are guaranteed to those who qualify, this has taken away some of the burden of families and friends helping or caring for one another. Medicare and Medicaid as well as health insurance have helped facilitate the high cost of medical care. To be fair, so has the ability to treat illness that a few decades ago, people simply died from.

One analogy might be that these benefits have made many people similar to domesticated dogs. Most canines today are completely dependent on their owners for survival. If said owner decided to cut expenses by letting their dog loose on the world, many would refuse to leave and most would not survive. By feeding and taking care of all of the needs of these little puppies since they were born, we have made them completely dependent on us. One difference is the puppies did not pay into this plan, unless you consider unconditional love payment, but we humans have paid for our benefits and continue to do so.

Human nature is such that those who don't need benefits now, don't appreciate the value of them and resent those who do need them. For example, if you are young and healthy, you may not see any reason for health insurance. Further if you are of working age, particularly if you are younger, you probably cannot imagine a time when you are no longer able to work and might need SSI to help you get by. One way to prove this point is to look at how few young people save or invest on their own any of their current income so it will be there to provide for them when they are old. It is no wonder they don't like paying into SSI and Medicare. Heck, most young people don't even believe they will ever get old or sick....but most will at some point in time.

If these programs need to be reduced to balance the budget, this must be done prospectively. People live longer today then they did several decades ago. They are also, for the most part healthier and can work longer. Adjusting the age for SSI and Medicare accordingly may be one fair way to reduce the expense of these programs. Some of this has already occurred as the retirement age for SSI has increased over the years. SSI should be there for those who have reached an age when they are no longer able to work or are as productive as they might be when they were younger. Medicare or some other medical insurance plan should be available to those who cannot get or afford other insurance plans.

I doubt most citizens of the U.S. are willing to scrap all social programs. If this were to happen, people would be dying in the streets much as they do in third world countries.

Not your typical GB post.

Well done sir.
Title: Sandy blasts $80B hole through debt talks
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
Why are the tax payers supposed to get the bill for sandy?

Don't these people have home insurance?

What the hell do you for insurance for if the insurance never covers you?
Sandy blasts $80B hole through debt talks
 By Erik Wasson  -  11/28/12 03:53 PM ET

 
 
 

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Northeastern lawmakers are seeking $80 billion from Congress to pay for damage caused by Superstorm Sandy — a demand that could wreak havoc on negotiations for a deal on the deficit.

 
 Bloomberg (I) traveled to the Capitol on Wednesday to press lawmakers to approve the $80 billion supplemental appropriations bill — without offsets and with new levels of flexibility — to aid the recovery of New York and New Jersey.


Senators from the two states are also urging the White House to seek a sweeping aid package next week when it asks Congress to prepare the bill to cover storm costs.

The $80 billion amount is more than all the money that would be saved by ending the Bush-era tax rates for top earners next year. The fight over those rates has proven the major sticking point in talks to avert the "fiscal cliff" of tax hikes and spending cuts.

Bloomberg made his request to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who in the past has sought spending cuts to offset disaster aid.

The mayor said that Cantor “understands New York” and its needs but that the GOP leader gave him no commitment that the emergency spending bill would not need to be offset.

Bloomberg said Cantor told him he must consult with his Republican colleagues and examine the disaster aid request before making commitments.

A GOP aide said that Cantor stressed during the meeting that the August debt deal specifically "created a mechanism for budgeting for disasters with the 10-year rolling average."

Cantor has made clear that needs beyond the $11 billion allotted by the Budget Control Act will be properly considered, the aide said.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) received $7 billion in funds at the beginning of October.

It is now down to $5 billion as claims related to Sandy mount, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday.

Under the August 2011 budget deal, FEMA can get $5 billion without offsets.

Schumer said more money is needed immediately for the Army Corps of Engineers, the Transportation Department and Community Development Block Grants to deal with the storm and to mitigate future storm damage.

Because of high home prices and expenses in the New York area, Schumer wants to do away with limits such as a $31,000-per-home cap on repairs.

He said that New York and New Jersey senators met late into Tuesday night with the Obama administration's point man on the storm, Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan. They demanded a “large” supplemental bill that reflects New York’s need for $42 billion and New Jersey’s request for $37 billion.

“There is no doubt this is going to be a hard fight,” Schumer said. “It comes in the middle of strenuous negotiations around the fiscal cliff.”

Schumer said he was working to keep the quest for Sandy aid separate from the talks and to preserve a tradition of not offsetting disaster relief.

Before Thanksgiving, Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), the outgoing chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, told The Hill that Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told him disaster needs would not need to be offset. Neither Boehner nor his office has confirmed the Speaker made the commitment.

Schumer added that because of a ban on earmarks, senators are working to make sure the initial disaster aid request is tailored to New York's needs.

He and Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) were to meet with President Obama’s budget director, Jeff Zients, Wednesday evening.

The New York delegation expects to need multiple Sandy bills in the future.

Bloomberg on Wednesday also met with House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.), who is working on a massive omnibus spending bill to replace the 2013 continuing resolution now in effect.

The need for a Sandy bill could drive an omnibus bill to passage, aides say.
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/269931-lawmakers-press-for-giant-sandy-bill-amid-fiscal-cliff-talks (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/269931-lawmakers-press-for-giant-sandy-bill-amid-fiscal-cliff-talks)
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
Cutting spending alone won't solve the problem. For this to work, spending would have to be cut drastically and that would cause other problems.

As a nation, we have become dependent on social programs (I think the term benefits is more appropriate that entitlements) such as, SSI, SSD, Medicare and Medicaid. These programs are funded through taxation. Employees and employers pay these taxes including all those who are self employed. These programs have been in place for decades. This means a nation of people have come to depend on them and to expect that they will be there when needed. This expectation is not unrealistic considering most of us have made a pretty good investment in these benefits over the course of our working lives.

Additionally, because SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid and Financial Assistance are guaranteed to those who qualify, this has taken away some of the burden of families and friends helping or caring for one another. Medicare and Medicaid as well as health insurance have helped facilitate the high cost of medical care. To be fair, so has the ability to treat illness that a few decades ago, people simply died from.

One analogy might be that these benefits have made many people similar to domesticated dogs. Most canines today are completely dependent on their owners for survival. If said owner decided to cut expenses by letting their dog loose on the world, many would refuse to leave and most would not survive. By feeding and taking care of all of the needs of these little puppies since they were born, we have made them completely dependent on us. One difference is the puppies did not pay into this plan, unless you consider unconditional love payment, but we humans have paid for our benefits and continue to do so.

Human nature is such that those who don't need benefits now, don't appreciate the value of them and resent those who do need them. For example, if you are young and healthy, you may not see any reason for health insurance. Further if you are of working age, particularly if you are younger, you probably cannot imagine a time when you are no longer able to work and might need SSI to help you get by. One way to prove this point is to look at how few young people save or invest on their own any of their current income so it will be there to provide for them when they are old. It is no wonder they don't like paying into SSI and Medicare. Heck, most young people don't even believe they will ever get old or sick....but most will at some point in time.

If these programs need to be reduced to balance the budget, this must be done prospectively. People live longer today then they did several decades ago. They are also, for the most part healthier and can work longer. Adjusting the age for SSI and Medicare accordingly may be one fair way to reduce the expense of these programs. Some of this has already occurred as the retirement age for SSI has increased over the years. SSI should be there for those who have reached an age when they are no longer able to work or are as productive as they might be when they were younger. Medicare or some other medical insurance plan should be available to those who cannot get or afford other insurance plans.

I doubt most citizens of the U.S. are willing to scrap all social programs. If this were to happen, people would be dying in the streets much as they do in third world countries.

on the contrary

cutting spending would absolutly solve the problem
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: Straw Man on November 28, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
on the contrary

cutting spending would absolutly solve the problem

Yep.  It worked great in the Uk
Title: image of yanked Glen Beck art work 'Obama in pee pee'
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 05:16:59 PM
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Obama-Pee-eBay-page.jpg)

created to make fun of the guy who made piss christ with feces n urine and the obama as christ recent artwork and to underscore the left rails against nasty stuff only when its not them doing it


bidding reached over $11,000

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ebay-yanks-becks-obama-in-pee-pee-art-project-meant-to-raise-money-for-charity/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ebay-yanks-becks-obama-in-pee-pee-art-project-meant-to-raise-money-for-charity/)
Title: Re: Marc Faber suggests to improve the economy reduce government 50%
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 05:22:19 PM
Yep.  It worked great in the Uk

canada did in the in 90s and erased deficit

:)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: garebear on November 28, 2012, 05:28:55 PM
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Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 05:34:07 PM
Obama raising taxes is not going to help cut the deficit.

cutting spending will

you have a deficit due to overspending

same as your kid and her creditcard
Title: Re: Sandy blasts $80B hole through debt talks
Post by: Primemuscle on November 28, 2012, 05:41:54 PM
Why are the tax payers supposed to get the bill for sandy?

Don't these people have home insurance?

What the hell do you for insurance for if the insurance never covers you?
Sandy blasts $80B hole through debt talks
 By Erik Wasson  -  11/28/12 03:53 PM ET

I know what you are saying. One would think homeowners insurance would take care of people's losses. Such is simply not the case. Basically, homeowners insurance is fire, theft and liability insurance. Often it does not cover losses in the event of natural disasters. Flood insurance comes at an additional cost and often can't be purchased in areas where flooding is a problem. I live in the west where earthquakes are more common. However, basic homeowners insurance does not cover earthquake damage. One must purchase additional earthquake insurance and few folks actually do.

Floods — defined by insurers as any water that rises from the ground, including tidal waves, as well as destruction from rapid snow melts — aren’t covered by traditional policies. To get reimbursed for water damage, homeowners would need additional flood insurance, which is provided by the federal government but can be purchased through an agent or insurance company. The average flood premium is about $600 annually, but rates go up to nearly $6,000 for the highest-risk coastal properties, according to the National Flood Insurance Program.

Basic homeowners policies do, however, typically pay for damage caused by winds — including broken windows, torn roofs and any interior damage from water falling into the home.  Likewise, if strong winds blow tree limbs or entire trees onto a home, garage or shed. (If a tree falls onto a car, many comprehensive auto policies will cover the damage.)

But in many states on the East Coast, homeowners will have to pay a hefty deductible before homeowners’ insurance policies kick in — often 1% to 5% of the total amount the home is insured for — according to the Insurance Information Institute spokesman.

If a home becomes so damaged that it’s uninhabitable, most standard homeowner policies will pay for a family’s living expenses — including lodging and food — while the house is being repaired, says the Insurance Information Institute spokesman.

Increasingly, insurers have added a second deductible -- which can be considerably bigger -- that applies only if your home is damaged by a hurricane. Your hurricane deductible is typically in a range of 1 percent to 5 percent of the value of your home, according to the Insurance Information Institute, and could be even higher. That means if your home is worth $300,000, your hurricane deductible would likely cost you between $3,000 and $15,000, and possibly more.

Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 05:49:21 PM
Its tuff, and all the more reason for mass produced housing

the faster hosues are commdoified like a dektop computer

then faster this kinda thing is cheaper to  bounce back from

All the 30million unemplyed could be used for the factories

economic boom

and people could get used to using stocks or other assets not land as store of value


which is archaic
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 28, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
Obama raising taxes is not going to help cut the deficit.

cutting spending will

you have a deficit due to overspending

same as your kid and her creditcard

Don't be a broken record, Magikusar. Rather then simply repeating your chant, how about offering some suggestions on where government spending should be cut, including any possible fallout from these cuts. By comparing government overspending to a child with a credit card, you are definitely oversimplifying the situation. For example if it were so simple, the solution would be to simply cancel the "credit card."

Incidentally, President Obama does not have the authority to raise taxes; Congress does. Congress isn't talking about raising taxes per se. What they will be discussing is whether or not to allow tax breaks, which have been in place for some time, to lapse completely or whether to make adjustments, so that some of these tax breaks continue for an additional period of time.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 28, 2012, 05:58:00 PM
Its tuff, and all the more reason for mass produced housing

the faster hosues are commdoified like a dektop computer

then faster this kinda thing is cheaper to  bounce back from

All the 30million unemplyed could be used for the factories

economic boom

and people could get used to using stocks or other assets not land as store of value


which is archaic

Do you remember what your fellow John Allison said about housing? "Housing is a commodity," he said.

What manner of mass produced housing do you propose that can withstand hurricane force winds, severe flooding and possibly even fires? Most of today's mass produced pre-fab housing is sub-standard construction. Higher end factory built housing, such as Glidehouse http://www.bluhomes.com/homes/glidehouse/#http://www.bluhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/gl-p-WA-10-0014-xxxx-ext-096e-590x443.jpg (http://www.bluhomes.com/homes/glidehouse/#http://www.bluhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/gl-p-WA-10-0014-xxxx-ext-096e-590x443.jpg) are actually more expensive then many stick built homes.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Straw Man on November 28, 2012, 05:59:15 PM
Obama raising taxes is not going to help cut the deficit.

cutting spending will

you have a deficit due to overspending

same as your kid and her creditcard

sure it will

Using your simplistic example you could go out and get an extra job or work more hours at work and RAISE your revenue and use that new revenue to pay down your debt


 
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
Do you remember what your fellow John Allison said about housing? "Housing is a commodity," he said.

What manner of mass produced housing do you propose that can withstand hurricane force winds, severe flooding and possibly even fires? Most of today's mass produced pre-fab housing is sub-standard construction. Higher end factory built housing, such as Glidehouse http://www.bluhomes.com/homes/glidehouse/#http://www.bluhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/gl-p-WA-10-0014-xxxx-ext-096e-590x443.jpg (http://www.bluhomes.com/homes/glidehouse/#http://www.bluhomes.com/wp-content/uploads/gl-p-WA-10-0014-xxxx-ext-096e-590x443.jpg) are actually more expensive then many stick built homes.

When prices of good falls we all get richer since our purchasing power goes up.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 06:12:58 PM
sure it will

Using your simplistic example you could go out and get an extra job or work more hours at work and RAISE your revenue and use that new revenue to pay down your debt


 

I think you are missing what causes the debt: government overspending.

If you lower government spending people are better off and the economy imporves.

Government spends the money wastefully and get nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Straw Man on November 28, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
I think you are missing what causes the debt: government overspending.

If you lower government spending people are better off and the economy imporves.

Government spends the money wastefully and get nothing to show for it.

no doubt there are spending cuts to be made but we can also raise revenue as well

nothing magical about either one
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 06:43:29 PM
I think we should have cuts now and tax increaces over 10 years.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: avxo on November 28, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
no doubt there are spending cuts to be made but we can also raise revenue as well

nothing magical about either one

As much as I dislike the concept of raising taxes and provided the raising is done by closing loopholes first and before any actual increases of tax rates are considered, I can deal with that.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
the printing money is an old trick

its so seductive to politicians because you spend without raising taxes

rome fell due to it

I do not want USA to

USA best example of capitalism

of success outside the governmetn quagmire

fdr didnt get taht the success after the war was because war spending stopped

fed caused great depression

fed causes boom bust

2008 caused by fed and fannie with clinton law you must give poor default guy a loan not wall st

cut governmetn 20% as canada did in 90s and debt reased in 5 years

if you spend 10 and make 15 and owe 20 soon things ok right?
Title: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/28/Obama-top-advisors-90-percent-white-male (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/28/Obama-top-advisors-90-percent-white-male)

Even as the media complains that Republican House officials have installed males at the top of their committees, it ignores the fact that President Obama’s senior advisors are almost entirely white males. The only top advisor who is a female or minority is Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s longtime maternal figure. Other top advisors include Vice President Joe Biden, Senior Advisor David Plouffe, Chief of Staff Jack Lew, National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, and Press Secretary Jay Carney.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: avxo on November 28, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
the printing money is an old trick

its so seductive to politicians because you spend without raising taxes

rome fell due to it

I do not want USA to

USA best example of capitalism

of success outside the governmetn quagmire

fdr didnt get taht the success after the war was because war spending stopped

fed caused great depression

fed causes boom bust

2008 caused by fed and fannie with clinton law you must give poor default guy a loan not wall st

cut governmetn 20% as canada did in 90s and debt reased in 5 years

if you spend 10 and make 15 and owe 20 soon things ok right?

Your inability to formulate coherent, logical thoughts and express them cogently is stunning. I am genuinely puzzled as to how you can manage to operate - hell, how you can even maintain homeostasis - if your brain generates output like that in your posts.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 28, 2012, 11:35:05 PM
Your inability to formulate coherent, logical thoughts and express them cogently is stunning. I am genuinely puzzled as to how you can manage to operate - hell, how you can even maintain homeostasis - if your brain generates output like that in your posts.

You sound like a ignorant egomaniacal 10 year old lecturing a theater full of college grads.
Your task is to simply read the clear plain english I write.
You don't like it so you squak.
I don't care.
I reccomend a few hours on youtube watching Milton Friedman, Tom Woods, and Peter Schiff.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: avxo on November 28, 2012, 11:39:10 PM
You sound like a ignorant egomaniacal 10 year old lecturing a theater full of college grads.

There isn't much intelligence to be found in a theater full of college grads. I know because I've taught at a University.


Your task is to simply read the clear plain english I write.

LOL...


You don't like it so you squak.

The irony is that what little bit comes through the nonsense-soup is often stuff that I agree with.

Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
There isn't much intelligence to be found in a theater full of college grads. I know because I've taught at a University.


LOL...


The irony is that what little bit comes through the nonsense-soup is often stuff that I agree with.



What did you teach?
It is no suprise you are an academic.
My posts are in plain english, if you have trouble accepting the ideas, well thats because you are a communist, most likely, and government schools have miseducated you.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 12:31:43 AM
Don't be a broken record, Magikusar. Rather then simply repeating your chant, how about offering some suggestions on where government spending should be cut, including any possible fallout from these cuts. By comparing government overspending to a child with a credit card, you are definitely oversimplifying the situation. For example if it were so simple, the solution would be to simply cancel the "credit card."

Incidentally, President Obama does not have the authority to raise taxes; Congress does. Congress isn't talking about raising taxes per se. What they will be discussing is whether or not to allow tax breaks, which have been in place for some time, to lapse completely or whether to make adjustments, so that some of these tax breaks continue for an additional period of time.


Cutting government spending will fix all this.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 12:44:03 AM
What did you teach?
It is no suprise you are an academic.
My posts are in plain english, if you have trouble accepting the ideas, well thats because you are a communist, most likely, and government schools have miseducated you.

When you sober up, reread some the your recent posts here and then tell everyone they are written in plain English. You are like the crazy person who insists that everyone else is crazy and not them. We all see your erratic posting as utter nonsense and largely unintelligible while you suggest it is all of us who somehow do not understand plain English. Incidentally there are no such words as miseducated, thats or suprise and English is always capitalized, Mr. plain English.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 12:57:24 AM
When you sober up, reread some the your recent posts here and then tell everyone they are written in plain English. You are like the crazy person who insists that everyone else is crazy and not them. We all see your erratic posting as utter nonsense and largely unintelligible while you suggest it is all of us who somehow do not understand plain English. Incidentally there are no such words as miseducated, thats or suprise and English is always capitalized, Mr. plain English.

Prime sounds like you need a drink.  I have not had one since saturday.  You sound jittery man, and a little hysterical.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: avxo on November 29, 2012, 01:24:49 AM
What did you teach?

Computer Science and Mathematics.


It is no suprise you are an academic.

It's not? It was a surprise to me to be teaching University-level classes!


My posts are in plain english, if you have trouble accepting the ideas, well thats because you are a communist, most likely, and government schools have miseducated you.

Your posts are semi-coherent ramblings full of misspellings and plagued by bad or non-existent grammar. As a result they are tiring and difficult to read.

As for being a communist... LOL. Me? A communist?! What a joke. I'm about as far from a communist as one can possibly be. But hey, you shouldn't let facts gets in the way of invective.

As a side note: I find it extremely ironic that some here felt the need for a new rule against personal attacks (that is for calling liars liars) but those same people see no need for a rule against incoherent no-content nonsense and deleterious rhetoric that does nothing to promote civilized and rational discussion.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 01:39:52 AM
Computer Science and Mathematics.


It's not? It was a surprise to me to be teaching University-level classes!


Your posts are semi-coherent ramblings full of misspellings and plagued by bad or non-existent grammar. As a result they are tiring and difficult to read.

As for being a communist... LOL. Me? A communist?! What a joke. I'm about as far from a communist as one can possibly be. But hey, you shouldn't let facts gets in the way of invective.

As a side note: I find it extremely ironic that some here felt the need for a new rule against personal attacks (that is for calling liars liars) but those same people see no need for a rule against incoherent no-content nonsense and deleterious rhetoric that does nothing to promote civilized and rational discussion.

You you be banned for personal insults.
Save them they bore me.
Stick to the issues.

Government spending needs to be cut by at least 50% to improve the economy.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: sync pulse on November 29, 2012, 01:40:00 AM

I reccomend a few hours on youtube watching Milton Friedman, Tom Woods, and Peter Schiff.


What Milton Friedman, Tom Woods, and Peter Schiff advocate has been proven by the history of the "Gilded Age" to be disastrous for most of the population...

Also the success of the "New Deal" in fostering a burgeoning Middle class and thus enriching America is undeniable...that is until the Reagan administration under the guise of "deregulation" began to get the "ducks in a row" for the plutocratic hegemony to engage in the engorged feeding frenzy that they enjoyed the past three decades.

What is best for most is a "Mixed Economy".
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 02:19:41 AM


What Milton Friedman, Tom Woods, and Peter Schiff advocate has been proven by the history of the "Gilded Age" to be disastrous for most of the population...

Also the success of the "New Deal" in fostering a burgeoning Middle class and thus enriching America is undeniable...that is until the Reagan administration under the guise of "deregulation" began to get the "ducks in a row" for the plutocratic hegemony to engage in the engorged feeding frenzy that they enjoyed the past three decades.

What is best for most is a "Mixed Economy".

New deal and FDR were terrible for avg joe and middle class, and ramped up government intervention, destroying billions is wealth.

FDR caused the great depression nuff said.  Without his intervention depression woulda not be great, woulda been 1 year done.

Same misakes as obama.

Yet you wonder why debt skyrockets yes 30mil + unemplyed??

Only government can cause such ruin.

2008 was primary caused by government influence.  Youtube john allison he explains it very clearly.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: garebear on November 29, 2012, 02:20:37 AM
New deal and FDR were terrible for avg joe and middle class, and ramped up government intervention, destroying billions is wealth.

FDR caused the great depression nuff said.  Without his intervention depression woulda not be great, woulda been 1 year done.

Same misakes as obama.

Yet you wonder why debt skyrockets yes 30mil + unemplyed??

Only government can cause such ruin.

2008 was primary caused by government influence.  Youtube john allison he explains it very clearly.
We know. You told us already.
Title: Where are the adonis principles listed?
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 02:22:15 AM
Anyone have that thread?

or can sum it up?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: avxo on November 29, 2012, 02:49:20 AM
You you be banned for personal insults.

What personal insults are you referring to?


Save them they bore me.

What bores you?


Stick to the issues.

I do.


Government spending needs to be cut by at least 50% to improve the economy.

Really? What's so magic about 50%? 37.5% wouldn't? 42.9% wouldn't? 49% wouldn't? 49.99% wouldn't?

Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: whork on November 29, 2012, 04:12:38 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/28/Obama-top-advisors-90-percent-white-male (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/28/Obama-top-advisors-90-percent-white-male)

Even as the media complains that Republican House officials have installed males at the top of their committees, it ignores the fact that President Obama’s senior advisors are almost entirely white males. The only top advisor who is a female or minority is Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s longtime maternal figure. Other top advisors include Vice President Joe Biden, Senior Advisor David Plouffe, Chief of Staff Jack Lew, National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, and Press Secretary Jay Carney.

Who cares?

Maybe the males where more qualified.

The thing where people with repub and woman is rape, choice/abortion and people like Rush calling sexual active woman for sluts.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: whork on November 29, 2012, 04:25:48 AM


What Milton Friedman, Tom Woods, and Peter Schiff advocate has been proven by the history of the "Gilded Age" to be disastrous for most of the population...

Also the success of the "New Deal" in fostering a burgeoning Middle class and thus enriching America is undeniable...that is until the Reagan administration under the guise of "deregulation" began to get the "ducks in a row" for the plutocratic hegemony to engage in the engorged feeding frenzy that they enjoyed the past three decades.

What is best for most is a "Mixed Economy".

+1
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 09:41:16 AM
Prime sounds like you need a drink.  I have not had one since saturday.  You sound jittery man, and a little hysterical.

I was drinking a glass of Pinot Noir when I posted that reply to you. My nature is to be calm and easygoing, can't remember the last time I got hysterical.

Perhaps I was mistaken about your being a bit loaded. It is just that I was searching for an reason as to why your posts had gone to shit again. And good for you not having a drink since Saturday. Not drinking will probably help you loose that little bit of "baby fat" you say you're trying to shed.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 10:15:36 AM
The ignorance of history here is amazing.
There is a system that always fails and was tried in 19th century.
Socialism

Capitalism in the brief period it was semi allow made USA no1 very quickly

It also made hong kong grow into a major economy in just 30 years which is arguable a better example, and all  hong kong had was a 15% flat tax.

I can only imagine if we had only 1 tax in USA a 15% flat tax.

WOW

the economic growth would be staggering.

No more IRS.

All this confidence you have in a mixed economy is myth.

unions hurt wages, henry ford proved them wrong again and again but thsi is ignored

FDR caused great depression by making government spending go up.

After ww2 the grwoth was due to gov spending going down 65% after war spending stopped.

This is the kind of jump we could have now if we cut government 65%!
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 10:43:50 AM
lol where were you when Romney was being fisted over this?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: OzmO on November 29, 2012, 10:43:56 AM
The ignorance of history here is amazing.
There is a system that always fails and was tried in 19th century.
Socialism

Capitalism in the brief period it was semi allow made USA no1 very quickly

It also made hong kong grow into a major economy in just 30 years which is arguable a better example, and all  hong kong had was a 15% flat tax.

I can only imagine if we had only 1 tax in USA a 15% flat tax.

WOW

the economic growth would be staggering.

No more IRS.

All this confidence you have in a mixed economy is myth.

unions hurt wages, henry ford proved them wrong again and again but thsi is ignored

FDR caused great depression by making government spending go up.

After ww2 the grwoth was due to gov spending going down 65% after war spending stopped.

This is the kind of jump we could have now if we cut government 65%!

its a pipe dream though, the IRS will never go away we will never have a flat tax.  and...........The Feds won in 1865.    :D 
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 10:46:58 AM
Guess how many women in the Republican controlled House were appointed to chair committees?

Hint- the number and the percentage are both the same figure

Bonus points if you can guess the gender and race of all committee chairmen
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Guess how many women in the Republican controlled House were appointed to chair committees?

Hint- the number and the percentage are both the same figure

Bonus points if you can guess the gender and race of all committee chairmen

As if thats a bad thing considering the demos are filled w leeches, scammers, parasites, locusts, criminals, thugs, and punks like Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Luis Guitierezz, Loretta Sanchez, Alcee Hastings, John Conyers, etc? 

Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 11:08:01 AM
As if thats a bad thing considering the demos are filled w leeches, scammers, parasites, locusts, criminals, thugs, and punks like Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Luis Guitierezz, Loretta Sanchez, Alcee Hastings, John Conyers, etc? 


Isnt that how you feel about every single person in Congress

Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2012, 11:13:44 AM
Isnt that how you feel about every single person in Congress




Yes
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 11:44:53 AM
I at times try to sit down and observe things to understand democrats.

I can understand a few things.

There is inequality.

Some CEO makes 100million while worker get 50k, and after tax, 40k

So if you see history are a struggle for workers to simply be paid more equally, I can understand voting democrat.

I struggle with this ideologically, honestly.

If for example Obama care said ok we are going to build 5 new hospitals in each state.  The hospitals like public schools will be funded by the feds.   Private hospitals can compete all they want.
We are also going to pay to train 100 doctors for each hospital.  We will negotiate liek a giant fund for equipment etc.
I mean here I could see something good being done with the tax money.

To a certain extent I could see this with trains as well.
I am going to skip any negative ideas that pop up and move on.

Same with housing.  Government could say ok we are going find a cheap dome house design, and build say x number of them and sell them for profit.  This is in competition with whatever is already around.

I can understand the democrat view.

You are tired of CEO getting 100mil while common man is left with jack.

I am kind of emotionaly mulling this over now.

No I am not drunk.



Title: What is the downside of taxing imports from china and japan?
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
Fund building hospitals adn training dozens of doctors here by taxing china japan imports.

Whats downside?
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 12:53:06 PM

Yes


it must suck to be so filled with irrational hatred for so many people
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 29, 2012, 01:07:06 PM

it must suck to be so filled with irrational hatred for so many people

Sorry - i ave nothing but complete contempt for the criminals in the govt who are destroying this country. 
Title: Re: 90% of Top Obama Advisers White Males so much for women!
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
Sorry - i ave nothing but complete contempt for the criminals in the govt who are destroying this country. 

yes, every single person in government is a criminal and they are all destroying the country

what a completely sane belief and point of view
Title: In cuba there were no taxes? WTF I have been had!! Cuba superior!!
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49989684 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49989684)

In Communist Cuba, the Tax Man Cometh
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Most Cubans have not paid taxes for half a century, but that will change under a new code starting January 1.


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Havana, Cuba, The Ministry of the Interior located in the Plaza de la Revolucion.


The landmark regulations will change the relations of Cubans with their government and are a signal that market-oriented reforms, launched since President Raul Castro succeeded his brother, Fidel Castro, in 2008, are here to stay.

The recently published code constitutes the first comprehensive taxation in Cuba since the 1959 revolution abolished just about all taxes.

In the 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the country's main benefactor, the Cuban government imposed a few scattered taxes, but mostly preferred to maintain low wages so it could fund free social services.

The government's free market reforms introduced over the last two years, are designed to encourage small businesses, private farming and individual initiative, along with plans to pay state workers more. Under the new tax code the state hopes to get its share of the proceeds.

The government also envisions replacing subsidies for all with targeted welfare, meaning that the largely tax-free life under a paternalistic government is on its way out.

"This radically changes the state's relationship with the population and taxes become an irritating issue," said Domingo Amuchastegui, a former Cuban intelligence analyst who lives in Miami and writes often about Cuba.

The new code covers 19 taxes, including such things as inheritance, environment, sales, transportation and farm land, various license fees and three contributions, including social security.

A sliding scale income tax - from 15 percent for earnings of more than 10,000 pesos (about $400) annually, to 50 percent for earnings of over 50,000 pesos, (about $2,000) - adopted in 1994, remains in the new code for the self-employed, small businesses and farms, but it also includes a series of new deductions to stimulate their work.

Tax Deductions

For example, farmers may deduct up to 70 percent of income as costs, and small businessmen, who are taxed by income not profit, up to 40 percent, plus various fees and secondary taxes they pay.

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A labor tax of 20 percent will gradually be reduced to 5 percent by 2017, and small businesses with five employees or less are exempt.

Eventually all workers will pay income taxes as well as a new 2 percent property tax, but both measures are suspended until "conditions permit" them to go into effect.

The government admits, with an average pay of about 450 pesos per month, or $19, many workers do not earn enough to make ends meet.

"They collect taxes for all these things around the world, it's normal," said Havana economist Isabel Fernandez.

"But here we face two problems. On the one hand we are not used to paying for anything and on the other our wages are so low we can't spare a single peso," she said.

Under the old system, large and small state-run companies, which accounted for more than 90 percent of economic activity, simply handed over all their revenues to the government, which then allocated resources to them.

The reforms call for large state-run businesses to be moved out of the ministries and become more autonomous.

Under the new tax system they will pay a 35 percent tax on their profits, but can take advantage of a myriad of deductions ranging from amortization and travel to sales taxes, insurance and environmental protection.

Many smaller businesses will become cooperatives or be privately leased and taxed based on income.

The state-owned Cuban National News Agency said Cuba had studied the tax systems of a number of other countries, including several with capitalist economies.

"The experiences of China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Brazil, Spain and Mexico were taken into account, but they were refined to the particularities and conditions of the island," the new agency said.

The new code is not etched in stone - it can be amended each year as part of the annual budget passed by the National Assembly, and temporarily modified for different reasons by the executive branch of government.

"Like the reforms, it is a work in progress, a work that has barely begun and will take time to put in place," said a Western businessman who has worked in Cuba for almost two decades.

But, he added, "this is of course a major step forward toward the 21st century and a modern state."
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Title: Re: In cuba there were no taxes? WTF I have been had!! Cuba superior!!
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
feel free to move ASAP

Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 02:40:21 PM
Jeez I can't post anything but they post it in this 1 thread.

I can't believe no taxes in cuba.
wow
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 04:17:58 PM

Cutting government spending will fix all this.

Huh?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 05:23:50 PM
I at times try to sit down and observe things to understand democrats.

I can understand a few things.

There is inequality.

Some CEO makes 100million while worker get 50k, and after tax, 40k

So if you see history are a struggle for workers to simply be paid more equally, I can understand voting democrat.

I struggle with this ideologically, honestly.

If for example Obama care said ok we are going to build 5 new hospitals in each state.  The hospitals like public schools will be funded by the feds.   Private hospitals can compete all they want.
We are also going to pay to train 100 doctors for each hospital.  We will negotiate liek a giant fund for equipment etc.
I mean here I could see something good being done with the tax money.

To a certain extent I could see this with trains as well.
I am going to skip any negative ideas that pop up and move on.

Same with housing.  Government could say ok we are going find a cheap dome house design, and build say x number of them and sell them for profit.  This is in competition with whatever is already around.

I can understand the democrat view.

You are tired of CEO getting 100mil while common man is left with jack.

I am kind of emotionaly mulling this over now.

No I am not drunk.





I am a Democrat. I have no issues with CEO's making money as long as they do it fair and square. What I take issue with is the inequity and complete disregard for the workers who are actually the people making the products which produce the profits for the shareholders and CEO's. Fortunately, there are many successful businesses where there is respect for the employees as well as profits for the investors and CEO who oversee that investment. Unfortunately, there are also many businesses who make a profit off the backs of their employees.

Your wage comparison is not really accurate when applied to some businesses.  For example, Walmart CEO Michael Duke makes $35 million a year, while front-line employees earn $8.75 an hour and most work part-time with no benefits. And they are doing well as compared to factory workers in Bangladesh.

Bangladesh Factory Fire: Workers Burn, Walmart Ducks Responsibility. The  fire this weekend at the Tazreen factory outside Dhaka, Bangladesh, which killed more than 110 of the 1,000-plus workers, bears the stamp of some of the world’s most iconic fashion labels. According to labor advocates, the Western brands linked to the factory included Disney, Sears, Dickies, Sean Combs's Enyce and Walmart's Faded Glory.

According to initial reports, the workplace was fraught with fire-safety issues, including the lack of a viable road for rescue workers to approach the facility and a lack of safety exits. Before workers could flee, some managers reportedly “stopped them running to safety after the fire alarm had gone off.”

The average monthly wages of Bangladeshi garment factory workers is even less than one-third of the global average, in spite of the fact that the high-quality stitching by Bangladesh’s female workers pleases overseas buyers.

A recent global survey of the world’s garment industries by the US-based consulting house, the Jassin-O’Rourke Group, shows that a Bangladeshi garment worker gets only 22 US cents per hour.

A garment worker receives 33 cents in Cambodia, 38 cents in Vietnam, 37 cents in Pakistan, 43 cents in Sri Lanka, 44 cents in Indonesia, 51 cents in India, 86 cents in China, $1.07 in the Philippines and $1.18 in Malaysia.

‘On average the garment factory workers’ wages in Bangladesh are extremely low,’ acknowledged a senior executive of a US-based buying house stationed in Dhaka.

The next time you purchase something to wear, check the label to see where it was made. Companies out source to keep profits high and to remain as competitive as possible in the market place. We people who readily purchase goods on the cheap without regard to the slave labor that went into making them are also responsible for the problems caused by out sourcing labor, including the impact on the U.S. economy and on the labor market worldwide.

It is unrealistic to think all people everywhere will ever be treated equally. Human nature isn't given to fairness for the most part. However, it would be good if, as a society, we could progress to the point where we at least treat others humanely and respectfully.

So often we think of these things in absolutes. There are no absolutes. There will probably always be rich folks and there will be those less fortunate. That's just the way it is. Life isn't fair. In no way am I suggesting all CEO's are overpaid or that all workers are underpaid. However, it is concerning that the gap between the very wealthy and the very poor is widening, while those people in the middle are diminishing. The strength of the U.S. and it's economy is in it having a strong middle class. When all that is left is a very small percentage of the very wealthy (1%) and a huge percentage (99%) of the very poor we are in trouble....not to forget that throughout history when this has happened the poor have revolted. Les Miserables re-imagined as the poor in the U.S. revolting against the wealthy as with the "Occupy" 99% folks who have not gone away by any means.

Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
To a certain extent I could see this with trains as well.
I am going to skip any negative ideas that pop up and move on.

Same with housing.  Government could say ok we are going find a cheap dome house design, and build say x number of them and sell them for profit.  This is in competition with whatever is already around.


Having been born and living in the east during the early part of my life, I had the pleasure of enjoying train travel. I miss it. Today, it is cheaper to get on a plane to go somewhere then it is to take the train. As a result, we miss seeing so much of our country. If there were something I could change, it would be the ability for folks to travel by train when going some distance. Living in Albion, MI when I was eight years old, it was not uncommon for us to hop a train into Detroit. My maternal grandparents lived in South Orange, New Jersey. Sometimes, I would travel by train to see them. Today, folks drive their car for these kinds of trips or if the distance is too great, they fly. They have no clue what they are missing.

I live in a Portland suburb that is filled with McMansions. Many people's housing expectations today are completely unrealistic. For proof just watch HGTV's show House Hunters. People looking for a place to live, whine about the lack of granite counter tops in the kitchen or a absence of a room for every possible activity.

My parents were relatively well off. The homes we lived in would not meet muster today and yet they provided comfort and shelter then. As I remember, the homes my parents had were extremely small by today's standards, usually about 1,700 sq ft or less. Being as how most of the time I was growing up, I was an only child, having 3 bedrooms and 2 baths was more than enough for us. The living room was actually a place where we hung out.

This year's Street of Dreams houses were built about a mile from my home. They all had over 4,000 sq. ft with some approaching 5,000 sq. ft. The least expensive of these properties was $1,300,000. It only has 3 bedrooms, but two very large entertaining spaces and a kitchen that is bigger than some homes. Literally thousands of people visit the Street of Dreams each year while it is open to the public for about a month in the summer and before the homes are sold. Next year's Street of Dreams homes are already being built and they are about 2 miles in north of where I live. They promise to be even more elaborate and more expensive than last years houses.

Just so you know, by comparison, my home is very modest at just under 3,000 sq. ft. Never-the-less, it is ridiculously large for my wife and I and our two dogs with 4 bedrooms and 3 baths. And also, just so you know, I am not over-leveraged here as I own this home outright.

I am all for more modest homes being built....as in affordable housing. Unfortunately, there isn't as much profit in affordable housing and there isn't as much market for it in the U.S.

My son lives in Germany. He and his wife had their home built. They had to pay off the land and come up with a very big down payment prior to starting construction. Their home is modest, if not humble by U.S. standards, although much better built. However, the cost to build a home in Germany is much higher than it is here. People in the U.S. are definitely spoiled when it comes to housing.
Title: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 08:27:41 PM
Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner outlined the administration proposal for averting the fiscal cliff.  He wasn’t trying to embarrass Geithner, McConnell says, only responding candidly to his one-sided plan, explicit on tax increases, vague on spending cuts.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-burst-laughter-geithner-outlined-obamas-plan_664210.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-burst-laughter-geithner-outlined-obamas-plan_664210.html)

mcconnel needs some cardio
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 08:35:15 PM
I think the tek is here.

Its getting housing made that seems to be the trouble.

cheap

without huge prices and massive loans

I do think if you work from 9 to 1 at wal mart you dont deserve that much.

yes the people in factories should make way more, as they create the goods, once given amtierial machines and other capital, which are far more important than thier labor which is msotly unskilled

I think manufacturing should coem abck to USA and massive import taxes could be a way to get rid of deficits.

This does not solve the problem of what governmetn spending money on.

16,000 irs agents for obama care is silly

thats a power grab not an addition to the supply of the needed good: medical care

obama care should trains 100s of docs per state and build a hospital per I dunno 100k people or something

THAT would HELP the supply

makign thing plentiful lowers the prices

the tek is already here, its the looting without producing that needs to stop and yes the inequality of loot distribution
Title: REPORT: Bill Clinton sought to meet old mistress, offered to wear hoodie...
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/28/inside-the-beltway-bill-and-the-hoodie/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/28/inside-the-beltway-bill-and-the-hoodie/)

 ;D

Two decades have passed since nightclub entertainer and blond bombshell Gennifer Flowers stepped before cameras and announced she had a 12-year affair with then-Gov. Bill Clinton, joining a roster of attractive women who reported similar dalliances, wanted and unwanted. Miss Flowers has stepped forward once again to reveal that in 2005, Mr. Clinton offered to come visit her once again.

“I picked up the telephone, and it was him. I said, ‘No, you can’t come over here. No way.’ I said ‘No, you can’t come to my house.’ He said, ‘I’ll put on a hoodie and jog up there.’ He used to do that. I said ‘No. No. And I want you to leave me alone.’ And that was the end of it,” said Miss Flowers, now 62, as she sipped wine and laughed languidly through an interview with WGNO, an ABC affiliate in New Orleans.

She also had advice for Paula Broadwell, still generating scandalous news coverage of her affair with former CIA Director David H. Petraeus.

“Call me, Paula,” Miss Flowers said, miming a phone to her ear. “I’ll give you some really good advice.”

The self-described “cougar,” author and motivational speaker, incidentally, is currently shopping around a new reality show titled “The Real Housewives of New Orleans,” in which she plays herself.

“I’m always looking for romance,” she explains.


Read more: Inside the Beltway: Bill and the hoodie - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/28/inside-the-beltway-bill-and-the-hoodie/#ixzz2Dg7otQAq
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Title: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 09:45:29 PM
President Barack Obama offered Republicans a $1.6 trillion tax increase, a $50 billion economic-stimulus program and the power to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval as a his basis for talks to avoid looming tax increases and spending cuts.

 But Congressional Republicans quickly and summarily rejected the idea, reports The Wall Street Journal.

 House Speaker John Boehner earlier Thursday told reporters Obama must “get serious” about the fiscal cliff while adding he remained “hopeful” about talks aimed at averting more than $600 billion in spending cuts and tax increases.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gop-rejects-obama-tax/2012/11/29/id/465909#ixzz2DgLEIinn

 ::) democrats doing ole ask for 20 when you want 10?

never a word about cutting spending wow, or even better REALLOCATING spending that already is plenty?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gop-rejects-obama-tax/2012/11/29/id/465909 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gop-rejects-obama-tax/2012/11/29/id/465909)
Title: THIS JUST IN Author Gutfeld: Mainstream Media Biased Against Conservatives
Post by: magikusar on November 29, 2012, 10:00:58 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889 (http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889)

duh

The mainstream media has a double standard in how it treats figures on the left and right, showing favoritism to liberals, says Greg Gutfeld, author of the new book, “The Joy of Hate: How to Triumph over the Whiners in the Age of Phony Outrage.”

 Many people “who claim to be open-minded are only open-minded until they meet somebody who they disagree with,” he tells John Bachman of Newsmax TV. “You see this most amongst the left. . . . Every day there is a new example of the left shouting at the right about something while ignoring their inadequacies and their own idiocy.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889#ixzz2DgPMLGge


Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 29, 2012, 10:31:42 PM
Sounds like a good deal

Repubs will regret not taking it
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 10:55:16 PM
I must be getting senile. For some reason, I am having a heck of a time comprehending your "plain English" in the above post, so much so, that I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you help me out?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 11:11:01 PM
We just finished watching the second half of The Dust Bowl. This is a PBS production covering what happened during the Great Depression in a large area of the country known as the dust bowl. There are some parallels between that situation and our current economic problems. However, we clearly have it good compared to folks then.

It is available On Demand if you have Xfinity/Comcast, but hurry because it ends on December 2, 2012.

Watch The Dust Bowl videos on demand. Stream full episodes online. The Dust Bowl chronicles the worst man-made ecological disaster in American history, in which the frenzied wheat boom of the Great Plow-Up, followed by a decade-long drought during the 1930s nearly swept away the breadbasket of the nation.  http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/ (http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on November 29, 2012, 11:32:50 PM
I think the tek is here.

Its getting housing made that seems to be the trouble.

cheap

without huge prices and massive loans

I do think if you work from 9 to 1 at wal mart you dont deserve that much.

yes the people in factories should make way more, as they create the goods, once given amtierial machines and other capital, which are far more important than thier labor which is msotly unskilled

I think manufacturing should coem abck to USA and massive import taxes could be a way to get rid of deficits.

This does not solve the problem of what governmetn spending money on.

16,000 irs agents for obama care is silly

thats a power grab not an addition to the supply of the needed good: medical care

obama care should trains 100s of docs per state and build a hospital per I dunno 100k people or something

THAT would HELP the supply

makign thing plentiful lowers the prices

the tek is already here, its the looting without producing that needs to stop and yes the inequality of loot distribution

I am going to take a stab at some of what I think you are trying to say in this post.

A Walmart neighborhood market (not a big box superstore) opened this year in West Linn, OR, were I live. When they were hiring all the positions were part time with no benefits. These leads one to believe that working "9 to 1" is the only option if you wanted a job there. Interestingly enough, I was told that during the interviews the interviewers offered applicants information about where to get public assistance and food stamps since the jobs they offer keep people below the poverty level. Their business here appears to slow at this particular store.

Have you ever tried making a shirt or a pair of pants? I have and I am not so sure that good seamstresses as they folks are described as being is unskilled. It may not be rocket science, but it does require skills.

Construction workers in Oregon are often Latinos who will work for less. Builders make the profits, but to be fair they also take the risks. Building materials are very expensive. I am not sure cheap housing is a possibility today. I am pretty sure you aren't rooting for government subsidized affordable housing, right?

I doubt President Obama is qualified to train doctors. Is he an MD? You seem to think our President is some kind of dictator with absolute powers. He isn't. In case you haven't noticed the U.S. isn't a dictatorship.

OK, that is about all I can decipher from what you posted.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: outby43 on November 30, 2012, 12:04:20 AM
I guess when Obama said he would go line by line of budget spending and make cuts in 2008 he lied?  Can't believe people voted for him for another 4 years.  ::)
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 05:10:24 AM
Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner outlined the administration proposal for averting the fiscal cliff.  He wasn’t trying to embarrass Geithner, McConnell says, only responding candidly to his one-sided plan, explicit on tax increases, vague on spending cuts.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-burst-laughter-geithner-outlined-obamas-plan_664210.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-burst-laughter-geithner-outlined-obamas-plan_664210.html)

mcconnel needs some cardio

McConnell needs a bullet.
Title: Re: THIS JUST IN Author Gutfeld: Mainstream Media Biased Against Conservatives
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 05:15:53 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889 (http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889)

duh

The mainstream media has a double standard in how it treats figures on the left and right, showing favoritism to liberals, says Greg Gutfeld, author of the new book, “The Joy of Hate: How to Triumph over the Whiners in the Age of Phony Outrage.”

 Many people “who claim to be open-minded are only open-minded until they meet somebody who they disagree with,” he tells John Bachman of Newsmax TV. “You see this most amongst the left. . . . Every day there is a new example of the left shouting at the right about something while ignoring their inadequacies and their own idiocy.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/US/gutfeld-joy-hate-media/2012/11/29/id/465889#ixzz2DgPMLGge




So his book is called "How to triumph over whiners..." and then he himself starts whining about the left?
He cant see hyp/ironyif it hits him on the head.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 05:29:48 AM
Sounds like a good deal

Repubs will regret not taking it

+1
Title: Re: THIS JUST IN Author Gutfeld: Mainstream Media Biased Against Conservatives
Post by: Purge_WTF on November 30, 2012, 07:37:19 AM
The guy's a knob. Read Pat Buchanan instead.
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: andreisdaman on November 30, 2012, 07:38:10 AM
McConnell needs a bullet.

Agreed but I'd like him to do it himself
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2012, 07:42:09 AM
McConnell needs a bullet.

Sending to DHS. 

Have fun w that buddy. 
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2012, 07:46:47 AM
McConnell needs a bullet.

Most of Congress as well.

Actually, let us not waste precious resources, a nice hit with a claw hammer will do.
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 07:47:50 AM
Sending to DHS. 

Have fun w that buddy. 

No problem ill send them some of your Obama posts then they can come looking for the both of us ;D
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 07:48:59 AM
Most of Congress as well.

Actually, let us not waste precious resources, a nice hit with a claw hammer will do.

You get your third +1 from me for this week for that one ;)
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: MCWAY on November 30, 2012, 07:59:33 AM
Sounds like a good deal

Repubs will regret not taking it

And how exactly are they doing to do that?
Title: Re: McConnell 'Burst Into Laughter' as Geithner Outlined Obama's Plan
Post by: andreisdaman on November 30, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Most of Congress as well.

Actually, let us not waste precious resources, a nice hit with a claw hammer will do.

better to push him out of a window
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2012, 08:01:28 AM
I guess when Obama said he would go line by line of budget spending and make cuts in 2008 he lied?  Can't believe people voted for him for another 4 years.  ::)

if Obama gets what he wants he is going to get what 100 billion a year?

We are running a deficit of over 1 Trillion! 


Only an idiot would buy into the lies of obama on this.   
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Voice of Doom on November 30, 2012, 08:08:51 AM
How generous of the president to "offer" 1.6 trillion more in the citizen's monies......
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: whork on November 30, 2012, 08:27:09 AM
if Obama gets what he wants he is going to get what 100 billion a year?

We are running a deficit of over 1 Trillion! 


Only an idiot would buy into the lies of obama on this.   

Its a 100 billion more than the repub plan so stop crying.

Actually its a lot more than that. No tax cuts or increased military spending as proposed by Romney would decrease the deficit a lot compared to a republican presidency.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 09:02:32 AM
And how exactly are they doing to do that?

?

I don't know what your question is but here is what I think will happen

Repubs won't take Obama's deal an on Jan 1 taxes get raised on EVERYONE and mandatory spending cuts to into effect

This will be seen by the public as being caused by Repubs

Obama now has more leverage than before and Repubs will have to scramble to agree to tax cuts for those below 250k and the spending cuts on things Repubs don't want to cut will be in effect and they will have to negotiate from an even worse disadvantage at that point than they have now

This is all predicated upon the Repubs being as recalcitrant and frankly as stupid as they have always been

Some Repubs are starting to peel off from the crowd and indicate they actually feel more loyal to their country and their constituents than they do to Grover Norquist so maybe the Boner will get enough votes to avoid this scenario.    We'll know soon enough
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2012, 09:08:38 AM
?

I don't know what your question is but here is what I think will happen

Repubs won't take Obama's deal an on Jan 1 taxes get raised on EVERYONE and mandatory spending cuts to into effect

This will be seen by the public as being caused by Repubs

Obama now has more leverage than before and Repubs will have to scramble to agree to tax cuts for those below 250k and the spending cuts on things Repubs don't want to cut will be in effect and they will have to negotiate from an even worse disadvantage at that point than they have now

This is all predicated upon the Repubs being as recalcitrant and frankly as stupid as they have always been

Some Repubs are starting to peel off from the crowd and indicate they actually feel more loyal to their country and their constituents than they do to Grover Norquist so maybe the Boner will get enough votes to avoid this scenario.    We'll know soon enough

I hope the GOP walks away and leaves O-Crook w the entire mess to deal with on his own.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Option D on November 30, 2012, 09:10:51 AM
if Obama gets what he wants he is going to get what 100 billion a year?

We are running a deficit of over 1 Trillion! 


Only an idiot would buy into the lies of obama on this.   

So what kind of idiot are you to buy in to other lies


hmmm... boom.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
I hope the GOP walks away and leaves O-Crook w the entire mess to deal with on his own.

that would be a very stupid move though I'm not at all surprised that's what you'd prefer Repubs to do
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
More taxes and more spending? Sounds like a solid solution.

I'm shocked that we don't at least get any phantom phoney "spending cuts" that will never be enacted.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
More taxes and more spending? Sounds like a solid solution.

I'm shocked that we don't at least get any phantom phoney "spending cuts" that will never be enacted.

where's the "more spending" coming from and if there is more spending as long as it's doesn't add to the deficit (i.e. paid for with new revenue) then who cares.   Just "spending" without specifics doesn't really tell us anything.   What if the new spending was infrastructure and it was revenue neutral by either being offset by spending cuts somewhere else or paid for with new revenue
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2012, 09:59:40 AM
where's the "more spending" coming from and if there is more spending as long as it's doesn't add to the deficit (i.e. paid for with new revenue) then who cares.   Just "spending" without specifics doesn't really tell us anything.   What if the new spending was infrastructure and it was revenue neutral by either being offset by spending cuts somewhere else or paid for with new revenue


So keeping the deficit at 1 trillion+ is OK?

And deficit neutral is another garbage term, the revenues won't be what is projected and the spending will be more than projected and we will yet again kick the can down th road.

I'm not a "you can't ever raise taxes" guy, I just see this plan as an opening salvo in the negotiations. Obama said he wanted a balanced approach and the Republicans said they were open to a revenue increase....they need to put their money their mouth is.

I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 10:03:21 AM
So keeping the deficit at 1 trillion+ is OK?

And deficit neutral is another garbage term, the revenues won't be what is projected and the spending will be more than projected and we will yet again kick the can down th road.

I'm not a "you can't ever raise taxes" guy, I just see this plan as an opening salvo in the negotiations. Obama said he wanted a balanced approach and the Republicans said they were open to a revenue increase....they need to put their money their mouth is.

I won't hold my breath.

no, that has to come down but I like how you already know that revenues won't be as projected and spending will be more

how exactly do you know that.    It seems like you must have specific details and proof so please share

As far as I know there are been no agreement on anything yet

how do you feel about just "going over the cliff so to speak"

your taxes will go up ~ 3% and you'll get large spending cuts

would that balance be acceptable to you ?

I assume so
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 30, 2012, 10:08:42 AM
LOL!!!!!!!

\come on now. 

no, that has to come down but I like how you already know that revenues won't be as projected and spending will be more

how exactly do you know that.    It seems like you must have specific details and proof so please share

As far as I know there are been no agreement on anything yet

how do you feel about just "going over the cliff so to speak"

your taxes will go up ~ 3% and you'll get large spending cuts

would that balance be acceptable to you ?

I assume so
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2012, 10:15:50 AM
I can make an educated guess. Those projections are always rosey and the spending will be based on those projections.  Sure they can be spot on but I'll bet against that outcome every time. Dont be so naive.

When it. Comes to taxes the bottom 90% we haven't seen any wage increases in 30 or so years so our taxes are just fine. The top top 10% have seen all the wage increases yet their federal rates have gone down...I'm not blind to that. But you can hike taxes all you want but it alone won't solve the problem. Again Obama said he wants a balanced approached and the Republicans have said they are open to the same....time to keep their respective words.

A's for the cliff I'm good with not going over it but if doing that is what it takes to get the general populace to pay some motherfucking attention to what is going on....so be it.
Title: The winning republican narrative will be this: reallocate existing wastespending
Post by: magikusar on November 30, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
This is the narrative republicans should presue.

Spending is 3x clinton level.

We need to make what we now spend work 10x as hard and stop the 2/3 waste.

That is how to win.

Damn whats KArls roves number he need to hire me on contingency!
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 12:46:22 PM
I can make an educated guess. Those projections are always rosey and the spending will be based on those projections.  Sure they can be spot on but I'll bet against that outcome every time. Dont be so naive.

When it. Comes to taxes the bottom 90% we haven't seen any wage increases in 30 or so years so our taxes are just fine. The top top 10% have seen all the wage increases yet their federal rates have gone down...I'm not blind to that. But you can hike taxes all you want but it alone won't solve the problem. Again Obama said he wants a balanced approached and the Republicans have said they are open to the same....time to keep their respective words.

A's for the cliff I'm good with not going over it but if doing that is what it takes to get the general populace to pay some motherfucking attention to what is going on....so be it.

who controls spending
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: GigantorX on November 30, 2012, 02:21:55 PM
who controls spending


A question like that means you're seeing trees and missing forests.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Straw Man on November 30, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
A question like that means you're seeing trees and missing forests.

I assume by that answer you're saying you don't trust the Republicans at their word when it comes to spending cuts

Repubs control The House and they control spending
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: andreisdaman on November 30, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
I hope the GOP walks away and leaves O-Crook w the entire mess to deal with on his own.

I wish they would too....if they did, they would not be elected again for 20 years
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: magikusar on November 30, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
I wish they would too....if they did, they would not be elected again for 20 years

this b dream come true
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Primemuscle on November 30, 2012, 09:50:21 PM
I guess when Obama said he would go line by line of budget spending and make cuts in 2008 he lied?  Can't believe people voted for him for another 4 years.  ::)

Get over it and learn to work with what we have. The other option is for you to spend the next 4 years complaining about what you don't like about government. 2008 is rapidly becoming ancient history....get with the program.
Title: Re: GOP Rejects Obama Offer of $1.6 Trillion Tax Hike Read Latest Breaking News f
Post by: Primemuscle on November 30, 2012, 09:51:57 PM
I hope the GOP walks away and leaves O-Crook w the entire mess to deal with on his own.

One can only hope!  :)
Title: managing existing spending more powerful than more spending - says ME
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 01:46:25 PM
dems you failed

with your top dog obama

for 4 years

and hek everyone in history has failed when trying communism

you need to get more bang for your buck

spending is already 10x too high, ask clinton

you need to start demanding results for all the money spent, stop making crony pals rich wike the 90billion green corps boama started with pals who fire wveryone and go outa biz

im with boehner "you cant be serious"
http://thehill.com/video/house/270471-boehner-flabbergasted-by-geithner-proposal (http://thehill.com/video/house/270471-boehner-flabbergasted-by-geithner-proposal)
Title: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOV_FINANCES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-30-16-16-52 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOV_FINANCES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-30-16-16-52)
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 02:20:42 PM
Too bad we can't stop paying the interest on the debt accumulated by Bush
Title: replace all oracle used in government with postgresql free software
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
screw larry ellison!!

and replace all micrsoft and mac with openbsd and icewm!! with firefox!

www.postgresql.org

www.openbsd.org

bing icewm
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 05:51:32 PM
Too bad we can't stop paying the interest on the debt accumulated by Bush

the point is bush debt 1/2 obama debt now

8T bush 2008

17T now = 9T obama

wow

and no one calls him on it

free ticket to blab on about recovery when 30mil unemplyed and prices skyrocketing huge obama tax hike and obama care tax hikes on way jan 1 woooowwwwwoooo
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 02, 2012, 05:53:57 PM
Too bad we can't stop paying the interest on the debt accumulated by Bush

 ::)  ::)    So lets keep accumulsting debt right? 
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 06:20:15 PM
::)  ::)    So lets keep accumulsting debt right? 
no let's default and of course also slash spending which will do wonders for our economy
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 02, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
no let's default and of course also slash spending which will do wonders for our economy


I want to go off the cliff so obama can get the blame and it all crashes. 
Title: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 06:22:50 PM
there is no reason to vote democrat I have decided

they will on make things more unequal by crishing competition with blood sucking taxes

tax money does not mean cash given to poor

nope

goes only to cronies

vote republcain
Title: Obama is for the rich
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
and crashing all competition with penalties and lawyer

poor and middle calss nuked by this guy

vote republican

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229 (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229)
Title: Nader: War Criminal Obama Worse Than Bush
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 06:39:04 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/12/02/Nader-War-Criminal-Obama-Worse-Than-Bush (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/12/02/Nader-War-Criminal-Obama-Worse-Than-Bush)

Where was this guy to ruin the OBama election????
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Marty Champions on December 02, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
Are taxes going up on the middle class? those that net around 30-50 grand a year?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: che on December 02, 2012, 06:43:12 PM
Are taxes going up on the middle class? those that net around 30-50 grand a year?

How much do you make a year ,Falcon?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 02, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Are taxes going up on the middle class? those that net around 30-50 grand a year?

Yes.


Title: Re: Nader: War Criminal Obama Worse Than Bush
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 02, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
crickets from the libs
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:01:56 PM
there is no reason to vote democrat I have decided

Great. I'm not sure announcing your decision on the subject is necessary; just don't vote democrat and be done with it. If you need a reminder, maybe make a note on your fancy Moleskin notebook?


vote republcain

I refuse to vote for Republicans because I refuse to support those who shit on science and rationality, choosing instead to promote religious myths and rely on faith. Just like I refuse to vote for Democrats because I refuse to support those who think that their ends justify the seizure of my means.

When it comes right down to it, both parties are dominated by people who not only fancy themselves authorities who know how others are to live their lives, but are giddy with glee at the prospect of being able to force compliance at the point of the Government's proverbial gun.

Sorry, I won't vote (R) anymore than I will vote (D). I just like freedom way too much.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Marty Champions on December 02, 2012, 07:02:38 PM
Yes.





by how much exactly?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Marty Champions on December 02, 2012, 07:03:18 PM
How much do you make a year ,Falcon?

not much middle class
Title: Re: Nader: War Criminal Obama Worse Than Bush
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:08:25 PM
War criminal... ;D Oh Ralph Nader. You so funny. Nutty, but funny.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:14:52 PM
I want to go off the cliff so obama can get the blame and it all crashes. 

Such a good, patriotic American! You would never put a politician above your country, would you?
Title: Re: Nader: War Criminal Obama Worse Than Bush
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
Nader is desperate to have people remember who he is

btw - why would this be on Breitbart since the douchebags who run that site (the fat, drunken dipshit who started the site) probably agree with every single thing drone strike if it were a Republican POTUS
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 02, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
Such a good, patriotic American! You would never put a politician above your country, would you?


We need to bottom out.   Bring on the cliff and F Obama and his cabal of radical leftists and thugs.
Title: Re: replace all oracle used in government with postgresql free software
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
screw larry ellison!!

and replace all micrsoft and mac with openbsd and icewm!! with firefox!

www.postgresql.org

www.openbsd.org

bing icewm

OpenBSD? Really? I think OpenBSD is a great secure O/S, but I didn't think you'd be one of the people who gargle Theo's balls.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
We need to bottom out.

Well, if you say so...


Bring on the cliff and F Obama and his cabal of radical leftists and thugs.

How will the cliff help, exactly?
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 02, 2012, 07:26:02 PM
Well, if you say so...


How will the cliff help, exactly?

Force us to deal with the mathematical facts of our mess, not Obamas Kenyan math where 80 billion a year in tax hikes is a responsible way to deal w trillion dollar deficit yearly.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Wiggs on December 02, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
and crashing all competition with penalties and lawyer

poor and middle calss nuked by this guy

vote republican

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229 (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229)

Little late brah.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 02, 2012, 07:31:23 PM

by how much exactly?

Not sure. I posted a list of tax increases somewhere on here.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
Are taxes going up on the middle class? those that net around 30-50 grand a year?

massively

obama tax hike

then obama care

the inflation from fed and crony spenddings

not to mention new rounds fo crony green spending

all psuhing gas n house n food prices through roof
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:37:47 PM
Force us to deal with the mathematical facts of our mess, not Obamas Kenyan math where 80 billion a year in tax hikes is a responsible way to deal w trillion dollar deficit yearly.

I see... and the fiscal cliff is a responsible way to do so? Oh and about "Kenyan math"... you are funny; obsessed, and completely delusional, but funny.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Mr.1derful on December 02, 2012, 07:39:13 PM
Well, if you say so...


How will the cliff help, exactly?

The cliff is a self imposed debt limit.  Instead of dealing with it, however, congress chickens out and kicks the can down the road.  Each time this is done, it only ensures that the problem will get bigger and bigger and be even more difficult to contend with.  The real cliff will be when the world stops lending the U.S money.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 07:52:36 PM
The cliff is a self imposed debt limit.  Instead of dealing with it, however, congress chickens out and kicks the can down the road.  Each time this is done, it only ensures that the problem will get bigger and bigger and be even more difficult to contend with.  The real cliff will be when the world stops lending the U.S money.

Really!? Thanks for letting me know. You see, I thought it was a term that referred to a law that has already been passed and which is scheduled to go into effect shortly, resulting in tax increases and drastic spending cuts across the board. It's so good to know I was wrong! ::)

After such a schooling, I feel almost silly to ask you to also explain how anything that you said actually answers my question, which was "how will actually going off the "Fiscal Cliff" help in improving the precarious economic situation of our country?"

It doesn't? Oh, ok.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: The_Hammer on December 02, 2012, 07:52:42 PM
President Obama wants to raise taxes on anyone making over $250,000.

Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 02, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
President Obama wants to raise taxes on anyone making over $250,000.



He's also going to Fuck the middleclass. There is no way around it.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
I want to go off the cliff so obama can get the blame and it all crashes. 

have you already forgotten the election and the will of the people

if we go "off the cliff" the public will blame the Repubs

there is overwhelming public support for raising the top marginal tax rates by a small percentage which is all the Repubs have to agree to do

If they don't agree to this then it will happen anyway except taxes will also be raised on everyone

you've learned NOTHING if you don't understand the Repubs will take the brunt of the blame
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 08:08:18 PM
The cliff is a self imposed debt limit.  Instead of dealing with it, however, congress chickens out and kicks the can down the road.  Each time this is done, it only ensures that the problem will get bigger and bigger and be even more difficult to contend with.  The real cliff will be when the world stops lending the U.S money.

the "cliff" is the spending cuts which neither party wants but which I believe Obama will let happen in the short run if necessary

Title: Re: replace all oracle used in government with postgresql free software
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
OpenBSD? Really? I think OpenBSD is a great secure O/S, but I didn't think you'd be one of the people who gargle Theo's balls.

have you forgotten he claims to be some kind of computer expert

personally, I'm amazed he can even remember his log on info for this site
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 08:16:21 PM
the "cliff" is the spending cuts which neither party wants but which I believe Obama will let happen in the short run if necessary

Again, not entirely accurate: the cliff represents the point in time at which the already passed measures become effective, which will happen unless Congress and the White House can come to some sort of understanding. As for whether it happens (and who is to blame for it) I'll wait and see what happens. Personally, I think it's likely that they will not reach a compromise, or if they do, it will be a last-second "extension" to give them more time.

But the question still remains: how will those two things help improve the precarious fiscal situation that the United States is currently in? The spending cuts won't help address the issue of the deficit and the tax hikes won't help the economy improve.
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Again, not entirely accurate: the cliff represents the point in time at which the already passed measures become effective, which will happen unless Congress and the White House can come to some sort of understanding. As for whether it happens (and who is to blame for it) I'll wait and see what happens. Personally, I think it's likely that they will not reach a compromise, or if they do, it will be a last-second "extension" to give them more time.

But the question still remains: how will those two things help improve the precarious fiscal situation that the United States is currently in? The spending cuts won't help address the issue of the deficit and the tax hikes won't help the economy improve.

fair enough

I'm saying that I don't think the tax increase will be a bad thing for the economy (they will quickly return tax rates for those < 250k if we go over the cliff) so the only bad thing will be the drastic and what I've read are broad and as yet not specific spending cuts spending cuts and I think that's the only actual danger to the economy
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: tbombz on December 02, 2012, 08:49:09 PM
great post by avxo. bravo.

however, personally, i will usually vote for the democrat. i like voting for democrats. they arent perfect. but IMO they are better than the republicans.  and i base that not so much on principles concerning proper governance, but based on the personalities and eloquence and percievable intelligence of the candidates from both parties. democrats just tend to come across as more genuine, thoughtful, and intellectual to me.
Title: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
just an emotional reaction I guess
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Great. I'm not sure announcing your decision on the subject is necessary; just don't vote democrat and be done with it. If you need a reminder, maybe make a note on your fancy Moleskin notebook?


I refuse to vote for Republicans because I refuse to support those who shit on science and rationality, choosing instead to promote religious myths and rely on faith. Just like I refuse to vote for Democrats because I refuse to support those who think that their ends justify the seizure of my means.

When it comes right down to it, both parties are dominated by people who not only fancy themselves authorities who know how others are to live their lives, but are giddy with glee at the prospect of being able to force compliance at the point of the Government's proverbial gun.

Sorry, I won't vote (R) anymore than I will vote (D). I just like freedom way too much.

manwhile all the applied science in USA is created by republican engineers funded by republican CEO and MBA in activebusinesses, sigh

Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: avxo on December 02, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
manwhile all the applied science in USA is created by republican engineers funded by republican CEO and MBA in activebusinesses, sigh

Even if all of that were true (hint: it's not) what does this have to do with the Republicans who are on the ballot, and their political positions and beliefs?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: The_Hammer on December 02, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
He's also going to Fuck the middleclass. There is no way around it.

How is he going to do that?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: magikusar on December 02, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
President Obama wants to raise taxes on anyone making over $250,000.



yes his implementation hits everyone

say vs do
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Nomad on December 02, 2012, 10:35:48 PM
How is he going to do that?

obamacare lol. What else is nuking the operation costs for all businesses, big and small?  I might be bothered to argue seriously but I believe you are a well known Obama apologetic.

Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2012, 11:16:12 PM
just an emotional reaction I guess

Not so much bad as stupid

I vaguely recall some poster on this board who loved Red Dawn

You should talk to him
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 12:40:33 AM
The original was freakin awesome.

The remake like conan totally blows chunks.

I am with trump, lets raise import taxes on china and japan goods.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UtAM7dzUW_Q/S8t7eVnZ09I/AAAAAAAAABw/wfFToy3cs5E/s1600/donald-trump.jpg)
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 12:54:05 AM
Even if all of that were true (hint: it's not) what does this have to do with the Republicans who are on the ballot, and their political positions and beliefs?

remember NASA is nothing but an overpaid burocracy :)

vote republican to reduce money going to proven failures liek green energy just to line the pockets fo doofus obama campaign donors who then fire everyoen after 6 months and call it a day: 90B n counting of that sofar

how many doctors could be trained for 90,000,000,000 dollarS?

DAMN

and yes almost all applied science is made by enginerrs and MBA businessmen who vote republican nonstop

thanks

Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Skeletor on December 03, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
The original was freakin awesome.

The remake like conan totally blows chunks.

I am with trump, lets raise import taxes on china and japan goods.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UtAM7dzUW_Q/S8t7eVnZ09I/AAAAAAAAABw/wfFToy3cs5E/s1600/donald-trump.jpg)

Brutal comb over.

(http://dekerivers.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/article-1025610-018ece8b00000578-313_233x353.jpg)
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 01:30:14 AM
no comment on the import tax idea?

obsessed schmoe style with the combover eh?
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: avxo on December 03, 2012, 01:40:48 AM
remember NASA is nothing but an overpaid burocracy :)

Perhaps, but many of the advances in technology we take for granted today come from NASA and the Space program in general. And frankly, I'd much rather see my tax dollars fund NASA than just about any other part of the Federal government. Hell, I'd gladly donate money to NASA.


vote republican to reduce money going to proven failures liek green energy just to line the pockets fo doofus obama campaign donors who then fire everyoen after 6 months and call it a day: 90B n counting of that sofar

I see no evidence that voting Republican would have any impact on this; the particular projects may differ and the names on the check may change, but the memo line will always read the same: "PORK".


how many doctors could be trained for 90,000,000,000 dollarS?

I don't think it's the job of the government to train doctors - so whether 90,000,000,000 can train one thousand or ten thousand doctors is irrelevant. It's a red herring.

and yes almost all applied science is made by enginerrs and MBA businessmen who vote republican nonstop

Repeating an unproven assertion won't magically make it true and doesn't count as proof. You are welcome to provide specifics that prove your assertion if you can get them. But I won't hold my breath, because (a) there is no such evidence and (b) even if there was you never provide evidence to back up the word salad you throw around the boards with remarkable regularity.


thanks

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 03, 2012, 01:51:11 AM
no comment on the import tax idea?

obsessed schmoe style with the combover eh?
I'm for tariffs being imposed on products from China.  Not so much for Japan.  Japan isn't the problem, China is.
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 01:52:54 AM
Perhaps, but many of the advances in technology we take for granted today come from NASA and the Space program in general. And frankly, I'd much rather see my tax dollars fund NASA than just about any other part of the Federal government. Hell, I'd gladly donate money to NASA.


I see no evidence that voting Republican would have any impact on this; the particular projects may differ and the names on the check may change, but the memo line will always read the same: "PORK".


I don't think it's the job of the government to train doctors - so whether 90,000,000,000 can train one thousand or ten thousand doctors is irrelevant. It's a red herring.

Repeating an unproven assertion won't magically make it true and doesn't count as proof. You are welcome to provide specifics that prove your assertion if you can get them. But I won't hold my breath, because (a) there is no such evidence and (b) even if there was you never provide evidence to back up the word salad you throw around the boards with remarkable regularity.


You're welcome.

You sound like low iq.
You need to argue some points.
Communism has proven a failure time and time again.
The inequality you hate is caused by the very democrats like Obama you vote for.
Obama has a goldman sachs guy named geithner as treasurer.
!!!
Fed is giving money not to poor but to rich banks.
bailouts to run of 4T went to same banks.

and repeatedly avoiding the issues is not an arguement

Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: avxo on December 03, 2012, 01:53:27 AM
no comment on the import tax idea?

obsessed schmoe style with the combover eh?

Raising import taxes will hurt American consumers way more than it will hurt China. Perhaps in the long term it would have an effect, but short term it would cause a lot of pain for us, and the benefit is questionable.

I understand that you find naïve and simplistic, one sentence solutions appealing; you're not alone. Such "solutions" are partly why we are in the mess we are in.

But the simple, one sentence counter-argument to this "idea" is that it hurts more than it helps.

Frankly, the fact that Donald Trump supports it should have been enough to see that it doesn't merit serious consideration.
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: avxo on December 03, 2012, 02:08:05 AM
You sound like low iq.

Really? Well then it's a good thing I'm actually writing instead of speaking. That way you can focus on what I'm saying instead of focusing on my voice.


You need to argue some points.

Alright... If it's your custom.

Communism has proven a failure time and time again.

It's a historical fact, so there's nothing to argue. If you want I can argue that communism cannot work even in theory.


The inequality you hate is caused by the very democrats like Obama you vote for.

Seeing how I didn't vote for Obama or any Democrats, this silly statement collapses like a house of cards. But riddle me this: which inequality is it that I'm supposedly hating? I mean, shit, if I'm wasting my energy hating something I might as well know exactly what it is.


Obama has a goldman sachs guy named geithner as treasurer.

OK, and?


!!!

I'm sorry, but that's not a point. That's just three exclamation marks.


Fed is giving money not to poor but to rich banks.

Why should the Fed be giving money to poor people?


bailouts to run of 4T went to same banks.

Point: I opposed the bailouts on principle. 


and repeatedly avoiding the issues is not an arguement

Hey! There's hope for you yet!
Title: Re: Nader: War Criminal Obama Worse Than Bush
Post by: whork on December 03, 2012, 02:25:59 AM
Nader is desperate to have people remember who he is

btw - why would this be on Breitbart since the douchebags who run that site (the fat, drunken dipshit who started the site) probably agree with every single thing drone strike if it were a Republican POTUS

This!!
Title: Re: debt to 17T how big will it be when obama leaves? Bush isn't spending this $$
Post by: whork on December 03, 2012, 02:28:38 AM
Really!? Thanks for letting me know. You see, I thought it was a term that referred to a law that has already been passed and which is scheduled to go into effect shortly, resulting in tax increases and drastic spending cuts across the board. It's so good to know I was wrong! ::)

After such a schooling, I feel almost silly to ask you to also explain how anything that you said actually answers my question, which was "how will actually going off the "Fiscal Cliff" help in improving the precarious economic situation of our country?"

It doesn't? Oh, ok.

 ;D
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: JBGRAY on December 03, 2012, 02:36:49 AM
The film Red Dawn featured invading North Koreans with their Russian allies.......not the Chinese(although it was originally penned that way). 

And since when did Americans all of a sudden want a bunch of manufacturing jobs?  Do they really want to stand up in a factory all day doing the exact same thing for 8 hours a day?  Let the SE Asians do all that stuff.  Thanks to cheap overseas manufacturing, we can buy electronics, phones, toys, and clothes at rock bottom prices.  I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay twice the amount just so Trailer-Park Terry can have a job stamping something day in and day out.
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: JBGRAY on December 03, 2012, 02:43:02 AM
Freedom?  Here in the US?  Gimme a break.

- By far the highest incarceration rates for its populace than any other nation in the world.

- Thousands of laws on the books that can land you in jail.

- All citizens under constant surveillance.

- A negative credit report or criminal history, however minor, can easily deny you a job, school or a loan.

- Political correctness.  Sure, you CAN say anything, but be prepared to lose your job, income,  and reputation.

- Federal law, State law, County law, local ordinances, homeowner associations....too many blankets and layers of laws, ordinances, regulations, and rules.
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 03, 2012, 03:20:34 AM
The film Red Dawn featured invading North Koreans with their Russian allies.......not the Chinese(although it was originally penned that way). 

And since when did Americans all of a sudden want a bunch of manufacturing jobs?  Do they really want to stand up in a factory all day doing the exact same thing for 8 hours a day?  Let the SE Asians do all that stuff.  Thanks to cheap overseas manufacturing, we can buy electronics, phones, toys, and clothes at rock bottom prices.  I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay twice the amount just so Trailer-Park Terry can have a job stamping something day in and day out.
There are plenty of Americans who want manufacturing jobs.  The manufactuing industry was torn out of America in a very short time period in respect to our nation's history.  There are plenty of people wanting those jobs back.  I don't know what the fuck you're thinking.
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 03, 2012, 03:34:07 AM
Raising import taxes will hurt American consumers way more than it will hurt China.
It won't hurt consumers in the long run.  We did just fine before we started exporting labor for goods and they have reaped the fucking benefit to the max.  It's time that we start backing off on the 20 years of what is pure good will to level the playing field a bit.  
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 03, 2012, 06:14:59 AM
Obama was rich before he was even a senator. His source of money is a mystery. I hope Obama supporters get everything they can get out of government. When the economy crashes and the taxes go through the roof continue to blame George Bush.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 06:24:12 AM
the stupidity in this thread is too much. Coach saying he posted it "somewhere" just trust him, you know the guy who can't be trusted. The guy with twenty ex wives, forty two accounts a dozen lost and reneged bets.

The guy who believes the earth is six thousand years old, evolution and global warming are lies and accepts the bible literally. Facts have no bearing on his life.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 03, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
Obama is for the nigs

and crashing all of them with kale greens

poor and middle calss nuked by this black bean burrito

vote republican

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229


How so Magikuser?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: dr.chimps on December 03, 2012, 06:28:13 AM
He's also going to Fuck the middleclass. There is no way around it.
Sorry. The MC started getting squeezed during Reagan's tenure. It is too late for any kind of income recovery. Game over. 
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: JBGRAY on December 03, 2012, 06:47:44 AM
There are plenty of Americans who want manufacturing jobs.  The manufactuing industry was torn out of America in a very short time period in respect to our nation's history.  There are plenty of people wanting those jobs back.  I don't know what the fuck you're thinking.

I can see higher-end manufacturing, such as military equipment and transportation, being desirable as a job, but those do in fact require some vocational training at the very least.  The days of landing a high wage manufacturing job assembling widgets as soon as one graduates high school are over.  You can beg for those jobs all you want, but no piece of legislation or lobbying will ever make it happen when you can get the product made so much cheaper in SE Asia.

The US is a Service-based economy within the globalized economy.  Protectionism is on the trash heap of history.  You need to have a formal education and/or specialized vocational training to make it anywhere nowadays......along with good credit and zero criminal history.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Nomad on December 03, 2012, 06:53:03 AM
Sorry. The MC started getting squeezed during Reagan's tenure. Sorry, the MC started getting squeezed during Reagan's tenure. It is too late for any kind of income recovery. Game over. 

Fixed it for you, Mr. Chimps.
Title: Re: Democrats wont cure inequality
Post by: avxo on December 03, 2012, 07:06:09 AM
Freedom?  Here in the US?  Gimme a break.

- By far the highest incarceration rates for its populace than any other nation in the world.

Even if true that doesn't mean that you can't have freedom in the U.S.. It just means that many people are convicted of crimes and sent to jail. I may not agree that all those convicted are convicted of crimes that deserve jail time but that is another topic.


- Thousands of laws on the books that can land you in jail.

Doesn't seem unrealistic to me. This doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with each and every one of those laws, mind you. Just that a few thousand laws which incarceration as punishment aren't that many. Hell, if each State had 40 laws, we'd be up to a thousand laws - before we get to any Federal laws.


- All citizens under constant surveillance.

Nonsense. While the government tries to erode civil liberties at every opportunity it's laughable to claim that citizens are under constant surveillance.


- A negative credit report or criminal history, however minor, can easily deny you a job, school or a loan.

Red herring. You aren't entitled to a job or a loan (although you are entitled to education up to a certain level) and if others choose to not provide jobs or loans to you because of your financial or criminal history doesn't make the U.S. a less free place.


F- Political correctness.  Sure, you CAN say anything, but be prepared to lose your job, income,  and reputation.

But you can say (almost) anything. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of speech; it just means freedom of speech. Also note that the freedom of speech clause of the Constitution binds the Government; not private individuals, who can (by and large) fire you and/or think less of you because you say things they do not agree with.


- Federal law, State law, County law, local ordinances, homeowner associations....too many blankets and layers of laws, ordinances, regulations, and rules.

First of all you're mixing apples and oranges.

When it comes to the apples: Yes, our system has multiple layers of government, each layer imposing some laws or regulations. It's by design but nobody ever said it was perfect.

And as for the oranges, HOAs are provate entities that one voluntarily "joins". Nobody is forcing you to deal with an HOA. If you don't want to, then don't buy property in a common interest community.

You seem to have the misconception that freedom means that there must be no rules and no consequences. Sorry, that's not how it works.
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: avxo on December 03, 2012, 07:08:05 AM
It won't hurt consumers in the long run.  We did just fine before we started exporting labor for goods and they have reaped the fucking benefit to the max.  It's time that we start backing off on the 20 years of what is pure good will to level the playing field a bit.  

Right. Americans won't be hurt if what costs $1.99 today costs $7.99 tomorrow because of duties and tariffs... You are delusional.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
How Obama says he wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, then says $250k is laughable.  $250k For a family is not wealthy, it is middle class in most of Cali.  Fuck, in the poorest country in the world $250k is not wealthy.

Wealthy is 8 figures a year.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: _bruce_ on December 03, 2012, 08:41:38 AM
Any other president would have done the same - there's still too many folks with too many pesky rights and opinions which have to be dealt with - lots o' wealth and property, both mental and physical, still has to be confiscated.
Obama is president because he's black, well a very pale black man in reality, and that gives more opportunities to shield him from criticism.
He was just the most fitting "man" for the job of pushing communism forward.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: the trainer on December 03, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
and crashing all competition with penalties and lawyer

poor and middle calss nuked by this guy

vote republican

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229 (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50229)

And you are for the poor so why are you not donating money to the poor.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 03, 2012, 08:55:11 AM
President Obama wants to raise taxes on anyone making over $250,000.



Yeah, but if we roll over the fiscal cliff, the households making 60-79k a year will be the ones that get crushed, everybody else's goes up 3%.  Now, this is based on the tax breakdown I received from the NFIB.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 03, 2012, 09:00:37 AM
Stop pretending there's a difference between Republicans and Democrates. Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. all grew the government and had open borders. Some of you people obviously don't know how high the income tax rates were in this country over the past century. Hell, if the top rate were 50%(which it isn't) the rates would still be lower than what some of your great granddads were paying.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 09:08:27 AM
How Obama says he wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, then says $250k is laughable.  $250k For a family is not wealthy, it is middle class in most of Cali.  Fuck, in the poorest country in the world $250k is not wealthy.

Wealthy is 8 figures a year.

no it's not, do you understand percentages, how is 250k which is in the top 3% nationally  not wealthy?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
no it's not, do you understand percentages, how is 250k which is in the top 3% nationally  not wealthy?

Get out of the hood man.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 03, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
the stupidity in this thread is too much. Coach saying he posted it "somewhere" just trust him, you know the guy who can't be trusted. The guy with twenty ex wives, forty two accounts a dozen lost and reneged bets.

The guy who believes the earth is six thousand years old, evolution and global warming are lies and accepts the bible literally. Facts have no bearing on his life.

Great comeback douchbag. Except for this debacle of an "election" I have been very far off in this four years this asshole has been in office. Here ya go kool aid boy....


http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/taxmageddon-interactive-map 
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 09:44:52 AM
Great comeback douchbag. Except for this debacle of an "election" I have been very far off in this four years this asshole has been in office. Here ya go kool aid boy....


http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/taxmageddon-interactive-map 

you have literally no idea what any of this means. We know you are a simpleton. You still think the election was rigged, that romney would win in a landslide etc. etc. you are a walking mis-information bot.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: _bruce_ on December 03, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Stop pretending there's a difference between Republicans and Democrates. Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. all grew the government and had open borders. Some of you people obviously don't know how high the income tax rates were in this country over the past century. Hell, if the top rate were 50%(which it isn't) the rates would still be lower than what some of your great granddads were paying.

Agree - difference is all on mental paper and to keep the muppet show going.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
no it's not, do you understand percentages, how is 250k which is in the top 3% nationally  not wealthy?

One, it's how much you NET, not how much you gross. $250K in California is barely middle-class. $250K in Florida goes much further.

Two, who cares if it's wealthy. Why do some people think they have the right to other people's money, especially when the issue is excessive SPENDING on the government's part?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: _bruce_ on December 03, 2012, 09:49:09 AM
One, it's how much you NET, not how much you gross.

Two, who cares if it's wealthy. Why do some people think they have the right to other people's money, especially when the issue is excessive SPENDING on the government's part?

The undying spirit of communism - the witch hunt for everything "wealthy" has been turned on.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
One, it's how much you NET, not how much you gross.

Two, who cares if it's wealthy. Why do some people think they have the right to other people's money, especially when the issue is excessive SPENDING on the government's part?
Bingo.  They are claiming that these taxes will bring in $20 billion a year. Big fucking deal.  They can cut $100 billion a year in military spending without anyone noticing.  Bring the military down from $800 billion to $600 billion.  Problem solved.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 09:53:28 AM
Bingo.  They are claiming that these taxes will bring in $20 billion a year. Big fucking deal.  They can cut $100 billion a year in military spending without anyone noticing.  Bring the military down from $800 billion to $600 billion.  Problem solved.

Military spending is absurd.

why are you against the rich paying the say percentage of income as a middle class family? do you think they take that money and hire people with it? I can tell you they do not, they save it, store it offshore, put it in the bottom line. Why the fuck would anyone hire more people to do a job less people can do?

none of this trickle down bullshit makes any sense.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
Military spending is absurd.

why are you against the rich paying the say percentage of income as a middle class family? do you think they take that money and hire people with it? I can tell you they do not, they save it, store it offshore, put it in the bottom line. Why the fuck would anyone hire more people to do a job less people can do?

none of this trickle down bullshit makes any sense.

It's their money. They can do what they want with what is THEIRS (not yours).

What doesn't make sense is this crackpot idea that, just because you exist, you're entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor.

Plus, as is always the case, it always STARTS with the rich; but, it never ENDS with the rich.

Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 03, 2012, 09:58:03 AM
you have literally no idea what any of this means. We know you are a simpleton. You still think the election was rigged, that romney would win in a landslide etc. etc. you are a walking mis-information bot.

Whatever you say dude, you need to come to grips that your boy screwed this county over big time and lemmings like you fell for it.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
Military spending is absurd.

why are you against the rich paying the say percentage of income as a middle class family? do you think they take that money and hire people with it? I can tell you they do not, they save it, store it offshore, put it in the bottom line. Why the fuck would anyone hire more people to do a job less people can do?

none of this trickle down bullshit makes any sense.

But a family making $250k is NOT rich.  That is what I am arguing.  Where they came up with this number is absurd.  In Cali making $259k as a family might allow you to live in an overpriced $600k home, have two cars and no savings.  That is not Wealthy.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
But a family making $250k is NOT rich.  That is what I am arguing.  Where they came up with this number is absurd.  In Cali making $259k as a family might allow you to live in an overpriced $600k home, have two cars and no savings.  That is not Wealthy.


They just voted to raise taxes on themselves. Their state tax now is over 13%.

And people wonder why folks are bailing California and moving to states like Texas.

The $250K number is used (and that number changes, depending on audience); so they can hit the middle class, when they don't get enough money from the really rich folks.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
do you think the pavement and streets you use fell out of the blue sky one day for free?



Nope!

But, half the people in this country didn't pay for those roads and streets (They're the main ones, whining about taking other people's money, screaming "fair share"). The ones that did paid a disproportionate amount.


Do you think a poor person signed your paycheck?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 10:13:58 AM

do you think the filthy rich organisation which signed my paycheck didnt make sure to take all the advantage in the world on my workforce-labour before doing so?

 :D

You made a deal with them. You'll perform a particular service for them at their company (I'm sure they paid for your training and education to do that job); they will pay you a certain amount of money and benefits.

They invested in you; OF COURSE, they want to recoup that investment and make a profit.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
Nope!

But, half the people in this country didn't pay for those roads and streets. The ones that did paid a disproportionate amount.

So much for all that "fair share" crap.

Do you think a poor person signed your paycheck?

You seem to think that those paying similar effective rates as the middle class=COMMUNISM. Listen the poor can't afford to help, it would be stupid to suggest across the board equal taxing, this is where logic comes in. Why are families making enough to get by paying more for the roads, police etc that everyone uses, I would argue the rich actually use more of these services.

You seem to think everyone has an equal oppurtunity, they don't, some people are stupid, sick or have bad circumstances. Not everyone can work hard and become rich, it's a lie, most of the rich in this country are rich because of their family, Mittens for example. They are not even suggesting they pay a heavy burden, just similar amounts.

The rich/elite are raping the country, banks,wallstreet and you support them.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
Fuck, Wiggs must be right that the world is going to end because I for once agree with McWay.  Time to get the bunker setup boys.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
You made a deal with them. You'll perform a particular service for them at their company (I'm sure they paid for your training and education to do that job); they will pay you a certain amount of money and benefits.

They invested in you; OF COURSE, they want to recoup that investment and make a profit.

that's fair, whats not fair is using tax havens,loopholes, paying sub standard wages like wal-mart etc.

it's not black and white unfortunately. ethics has to play a part.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 03, 2012, 10:20:59 AM
I keep on hearing about capping mortgage write offs. Why not just limit it to one home?  Why limit it on people who depend on it for 1 home?  Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
You seem to think that those paying similar effective rates as the middle class=COMMUNISM. Listen the poor can't afford to help, it would be stupid to suggest across the board equal taxing, this is where logic comes in. Why are families making enough to get by paying more for the roads, police etc that everyone uses, I would argue the rich actually use more of these services.

You seem to think everyone has an equal oppurtunity, they don't, some people are stupid, sick or have bad circumstances. Not everyone can work hard and become rich, it's a lie, most of the rich in this country are rich because of their family, Mittens for example. They are not even suggesting they pay a heavy burden, just similar amounts.

I never claimed everyone can become rich. But, it's not due necessarily to lack of opportunity. Sometimes, it's due to bad decisions, which have CONSEQUENCES.

What's a lie is that taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those that don't is going to make everything better. It doesn't matter if Romney inherited his wealth or not (BTW, he started his company almost from scratch, INSTEAD of taking his father's company), IT'S HIS, not yours or anyone else. You aren't entitled to it.

I worked hard to give to my children. Once I give it to THEM, it's THEIRS, not yours or that of any other whiny, entitlement-complex-ridden Obama supporter.

Most of the millionaires in this country are first-generation, to the tune of 80%. If you don't believe me, look at all these famous rappers who seem to love Obama. Jay-Z didn't inherit his money; Ludacris didn't inherit his money. Curtis Jackson almost literally had his nicknames' worth of capital (50 Cent), when he started.


The rich/elite are raping the country, banks,wallstreet and you support them.

You are of the naive beliefs that the government (also comprised of RICH PEOPLE) are going to "level" the playing field. They will do no such thing. They will simply pad the pockets of those who got them in office. It was Obama's bright idea to push the Bush tax cuts to expire next month.

And YOU support them.

Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
I never claimed everyone can become rich. But, it's not due necessarily to lack of opportunity. Sometimes, it's due to bad decisions, which have CONSEQUENCES.

What's a lie is that taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those that don't is going to make everything better. It doesn't matter if Romney inherited his wealth or not (BTW, he started his company almost from scratch, INSTEAD of taking his father's company), IT'S HIS, not yours or anyone else. You aren't entitled to it.

I worked hard to give to my children. Once I give it to THEM, it's THEIRS, not yours or that of any other whiny, entitlement-complex-riddled Obama supporter.

Most of the millionaires in this country are first-generation, to the tune of 75%. If you don't believe me, look at all these famous rappers who seem to love Obama. Jay-Z didn't inherit his money; Ludacris didn't inherit his money. Curtis Jackson almost literally had his nicknames' worth of capital (50 Cent), when he started.

You are of the naive beliefs that the government (also comprised of RICH PEOPLE) are going to "level" the playing field. They will do no such thing. They will simply pad the pockets of those who got them in office.

And YOU support them.



I support a rational tax plan that doesn't allow taxable income to be avoided in some cases and not in others. I support equal treatment not pandering to the rich because the politicians are bought. I don't want your money, I have enough, I simply think this bullshit lie the GOP has obviously entrentched in your head that the rich paying equal percent of income tax is bad or takign their money. What about the middle class worker, aren't you taking their money, they worked hard for it right? The logical extension of your argument is one for all, all for one yet you probably got government back loans, use roads and police officers, enjoy public parks etc such bullshit. It only works if everyone is helping and right now the elite are not, they are raping, romney for example is raping, he has offshore tax havens, why is that fine? he has fake contributions to a bullshit church.

so all for one, one for all MCWAY, well only when it comes to the middle class, let's tax them at 30%.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 03, 2012, 10:34:08 AM
You seem to think that those paying similar effective rates as the middle class=COMMUNISM. Listen the poor can't afford to help, it would be stupid to suggest across the board eoqual taxing, this is where logic comes in. Why are families making enough to get by paying more for the roads, police etc that everyone uses, I would argue the rich actually use more of these services.

You seem to think everyone has an equal oppurtunity, they don't, some people are stupid, sick or have bad circumstances. Not everyone can work hard and become rich, it's a lie, most of the rich in this country are rich because of their family, Mittens for example. They are not even suggesting they pay a heavy burden, just similar amounts.

The rich/elite are raping the country, banks,wallstreet and you support them.

There's nothing stopping you from becoming wealthy
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 10:44:09 AM
I support a rational tax plan that doesn't allow taxable income to be avoided in some cases and not in others. I support equal treatment not pandering to the rich because the politicians are bought. I don't want your money, I have enough, I simply think this bullshit lie the GOP has obviously entrentched in your head that the rich paying equal percent of income tax is bad or takign their money. What about the middle class worker, aren't you taking their money, they worked hard for it right? The logical extension of your argument is one for all, all for one yet you probably got government back loans, use roads and police officers, enjoy public parks etc such bullshit. It only works if everyone is helping and right now the elite are not, they are raping, romney for example is raping, he has offshore tax havens, why is that fine? he has fake contributions to a bullshit church.

so all for one, one for all MCWAY, well only when it comes to the middle class, let's tax them at 30%.

The lie entrenched in your head is that this is a revenue issue. It's NOT. It's a SPENDING problem.

It doesn't matter how much you tax, if you're spending way more than you take into your coffers.

Yet, instead of addressing that issue, you think demonizing CERTAIN millionaires (not all millionaires, especially if they're liberals and entertainers or promote certain left-winged policies) and taking their cash will fix the problem. It WON'T; it never has. And, I certainly didn't hear you complain when GE's CEO paid ZILCH in taxes in 2010; he got promoted to a cabinet position on Obama's team.

Then again, he also ran MSNBC.......Coincidence? Hmmmm.......

Who says Romney's donations to his church are "fake", other than you based on NOTHING more than your disdain for religion? Imagine that. Romney actually GIVES of his own money VOLUNTARILY, without having a law to do so.

BTW, I'm not taking anyone's money and don't have government-backed loans. I do and have used public parks (my tax dollars helped pay for them; why shouldn't I use them?). And where did you get the idea that I'm taking money from middle-class workers?

Worst of all, you seem to forget that the rich ALWAYS find ways to mitigate taxes, regardless of party or ideology. When the government raises taxes on them, they raised the prices of their goods and services on YOU.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 11:00:15 AM
that's fair, whats not fair is using tax havens,loopholes, paying sub standard wages like wal-mart etc.

it's not black and white unfortunately. ethics has to play a part.

Who decides what is "sub-standard" and what isn't?

People don't create businesses to make sure YOU make a living. They do so to make sure THEY make a living.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on December 03, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
Not sure. I posted a list of tax increases somewhere on here.

Coach have you ever thought about moving away from California? Doesn't seem like the kind of state that goes with your ideology. And their State income tax will be 15% before the end of the decade.
Title: If you shoot someone whos trying to beat and rob you, is it a crime?
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 12:59:55 PM
I think of it as self defense personally.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/conservatives-sound-off-on-bob-costas-halftime-gun-control-push/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/conservatives-sound-off-on-bob-costas-halftime-gun-control-push/)
Title: Why do we let the fed simply print money? its stealing
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 01:04:11 PM
fed should be shut down

http://endthefedusa.ning.com/ (http://endthefedusa.ning.com/)
Title: Obama Aide: With These Republicans, 'There'd Still be Slavery' lol klan=dems!!
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 01:06:18 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-aide-these-republicans-thered-still-be-slavery-today_664397.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-aide-these-republicans-thered-still-be-slavery-today_664397.html)
Title: Norquist: 'Tea Party 2' Backlash if Obama Sends Nation Over Fiscal Cliff Read
Post by: magikusar on December 03, 2012, 01:08:39 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-tea-party-backlash/2012/12/02/id/466143 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-tea-party-backlash/2012/12/02/id/466143)
Title: Re: Obama Aide: With These Republicans, 'There'd Still be Slavery' lol klan=dems!!
Post by: Archer77 on December 03, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
I disdain this kind hyperbole. Completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Obama Aide: With These Republicans, 'There'd Still be Slavery' lol klan=dems!!
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 03, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
typical. 

F obama and every disgusting leech supporting this 
Title: Re: Obama Aide: With These Republicans, 'There'd Still be Slavery' lol klan=dems!!
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 03, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
Problem is, a lot of these bastards of all stripes would look a person right in the eye to spin out some "justification" for scenarios that could only be described as slavery.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 03, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
Who decides what is "sub-standard" and what isn't?

People don't create businesses to make sure YOU make a living. They do so to make sure THEY make a living.

again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.

it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 03, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
Coach have you ever thought about moving away from California? Doesn't seem like the kind of state that goes with your ideology. And there State income tax will be 15% before the end of the decade.

Yes, but with my business, my mom and my sons.mom being here, we just have to wait. We are buying a home in Kentucky sometime in 2013. Already have the location.
Title: Re: Watching red dawn kinda makes me wana nuke china, is that bad?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 03, 2012, 08:09:18 PM
Right. Americans won't be hurt if what costs $1.99 today costs $7.99 tomorrow because of duties and tariffs... You are delusional.
Yea if you do it overnight dumbass.  I never suggested that. ::)
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 03, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

Didn't He say something about "Thou shalt not STEAL" and "Thou shalt not COVET anything that is thy neighbor's"? That seems to be the liberal mindset to the tee.

And when did Jesus state that people shouldn't go into business to make a living FOR THEMSELVES? Chapter and verse would be nice.

Good thing you I didn't mention the parable He used about the master, hiring servants for a denarius each (regardless of how long each one worked in his field).....OOPS!!!


ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.



When did I say anything about "sweatshops"? I asked you a specific question as to what "substandard" wages were and you come up with this gibberish.

DEFINE "adequate" with actual numbers and quit using these vague terms. Are you implying that the cashier bagging groceries, with barely a high school diploma, should be making the same wages as the store manager or the computer programmer (with a bachelors' degree)?


it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.

I thought it was called charity. BTW, I do the same thing (and I don't need Obama and the Dems to pass a law to make me do it, either  ;D ). I know; I know. You think it doesn't count, because I give quite a bit via my church. Fortunately, you don't make the rules on giving.


Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: whork on December 04, 2012, 04:09:54 AM
One, it's how much you NET, not how much you gross. $250K in California is barely middle-class. $250K in Florida goes much further.

Two, who cares if it's wealthy. Why do some people think they have the right to other people's money, especially when the issue is excessive SPENDING on the government's part?

You mean the spending that gave your mother food stamps so you are alive today? ::)
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: whork on December 04, 2012, 04:11:05 AM
Bingo.  They are claiming that these taxes will bring in $20 billion a year. Big fucking deal.  They can cut $100 billion a year in military spending without anyone noticing.  Bring the military down from $800 billion to $600 billion.  Problem solved.

So are you voting dem?

They are the only ones who wants to cut the military the GOP wants to increase it.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: whork on December 04, 2012, 04:13:09 AM
Nope!

But, half the people in this country didn't pay for those roads and streets (They're the main ones, whining about taking other people's money, screaming "fair share"). The ones that did paid a disproportionate amount.


Do you think a poor person signed your paycheck?

Your mother and you was on that half the people list Mcway how do you explain this hypo?

Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: whork on December 04, 2012, 04:16:26 AM
There's nothing stopping you from becoming wealthy

So you are wealthy?
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 04, 2012, 06:30:00 AM
You mean the spending that gave your mother food stamps so you are alive today? ::)


What is it with your obsession with food stamps? Yes, my mother used them. But, unlike a good hunk of Obama supporters, my mother used them as they were designed to be utilized: TEMPORARILY, for a few short months.

Forget the 2-3 jobs she worked, to keep me in private school. Forget the chores we did around the apartment complex where we lived, to knock off $50-$100 from the rent (I had to cut the grass and HATED IT).

Nope. It was all about food stamps.  ::)

Your mother and you was on that half the people list Mcway how do you explain this hypo?



Wrong again, Whork. My mother didn't say on them long enough. And, her taxes went up big time, when she became a truck driver.

I know you want to advance this narrative that, because of my family's BRIEF (and I stress, BRIEF) use of food stamps, I'm supposed to automatically support the foolishness of liberal policies, namely people being indefinitely subsidized on welfare.

But, that ain't happening.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 04, 2012, 06:30:56 AM
Didn't He say something about "Thou shalt not STEAL" and "Thou shalt not COVET anything that is thy neighbor's"? That seems to be the liberal mindset to the tee.

paying taxes is stealing? I think earning money using tax payer services then hiding said money from rightful taxation is stealing

And when did Jesus state that people shouldn't go into business to make a living FOR THEMSELVES? Chapter and verse would be nice.

jesus never did advocate this, he certainly wasn't for dog eat dog though, in fact he was explicitly against vain and finite ambitions

Good thing you I didn't mention the parable He used about the master, hiring servants for a denarius each (regardless of how long each one worked in his field).....OOPS!!!

When did I say anything about "sweatshops"? I asked you a specific question as to what "substandard" wages were and you come up with this gibberish.

substandard would be wages with which necessities of living could not be afforded within reason. For example if beyond your wage you need food stamps to eat I would suggest your wage is too low.

DEFINE "adequate" with actual numbers and quit using these vague terms. Are you implying that the cashier bagging groceries, with barely a high school diploma, should be making the same wages as the store manager or the computer programmer (with a bachelors' degree)?


of course not, that is absurd. Why do you avoid all my questions and expect me to answer every single one of yours? you just keep pandering around the issue
I thought it was called charity. BTW, I do the same thing (and I don't need Obama and the Dems to pass a law to make me do it, either  ;D ). I know; I know. You think it doesn't count, because I give quite a bit via my church. Fortunately, you don't make the rules on giving.


it doesn't count.



“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 04, 2012, 06:32:29 AM
What is it with your obsession with food stamps? Yes, my mother used them. But, unlike a good hunk of Obama supporters, my mother used them as they were designed to be utilized: TEMPORARILY, for a few short months.

Forget the 2-3 jobs she worked, to keep me in private school. Forget the chores we did around the apartment complex where we lived, to knock off $50-$100 from the rent (I had to cut the grass and HATED IT).

Nope. It was all about food stamps.  ::)

you seem to have a self-centered view of reality. Instead of admit the help provided to you, you go on about things you did/done. You are completely self made, bravo.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 04, 2012, 06:55:23 AM



paying taxes is stealing? I think earning money using tax payer services then hiding said money from rightful taxation is stealing

So is excessive taxation (why do you think tax collectors, then and now, are so loathed) especially when the fiscal problem is government spending money like crazed valley girls with their daddies' credit card. But, you don't seem to address that part.


jesus never did advocate this, he certainly wasn't for dog eat dog though, in fact he was explicitly against vain and finite ambitions

I never claimed that He was. And, I'm not either. Again, you have this warped view that people keeping as much of their HARD-EARNED money as possible is bad. That goes back that covetous entitlement mentality that you have a right to someone else's loot.


substandard would be wages with which necessities of living could not be afforded within reason. For example if beyond your wage you need food stamps to eat I would suggest your wage is too low.

I'm married with four kids. That doesn't mean that Mickey D's has to pay me nearly six figures to feed my family, if I apply for a job to flip burgers.



of course not, that is absurd. Why do you avoid all my questions and expect me to answer every single one of yours? you just keep pandering around the issue.

I didn't avoid your questions. But, for some reason, you keep avoiding mine. And they ain't that hard to answer.



it doesn't count.

As I said before, YOU don't make the rules as to what charity counts and what doesn't.

I give to food banks, via my church. I help educate kids, through my church, just as people helped me get my education, via the church (In fact, when my mother couldn't afford to pay my high school tuition and I had to leave, my church raised money to help send me BACK).




“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

You missed a verse: "



Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."


Funny how you left off the earlier part of that chapter, involving the talents, namely verse 29:

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.


Furthermore, that passage is about PERSONAL attention to those less fortunate, not government-mandated wallet looting via tax hikes.

Are liberals only able to help the poor, when the government makes them (or it makes good PR)?


Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Nicodemus had many possessions; Jesus didn't ask him to sell all of his goods. Same goes for Zaccheus, the tax collector (though he gave up some of his good, of his own conviction), Jairus, and the centurion (whose servant Jesus healed).

Jesus encountered multiple rich people; yet asked ONE to give up all his goods. Care to guess why?


Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Once again, you're leaving off the background of that verse, starting with the beginning of that chapter. The Pharisees, as usual, were trying to trip Jesus up, so they could accuse Him of blasphemy and have Him executed.

It has ZILCH to do with castigating rich people, or implying that others have the right to their money, simply for having a pulse.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 04, 2012, 07:04:48 AM
you seem to have a self-centered view of reality. Instead of admit the help provided to you, you go on about things you did/done. You are completely self made, bravo.

When did I deny the help that was given me, Necrosis? When did you hear me say I was self-made?

Since you like ducking questions, let me help you.....NEVER (see my subsequent post as an example)!!

Apparently, you don't see the difference between getting a hand and relying on handouts, between being on welfare BRIEFLY and staying on welfare INDEFINITELY.

You and Whork want to ignore the work she (and to a lesser degree, I) did to make it and focuses SOLELY on the government assistance part, despite that fact that the latter was SHORT TERM, as it's supposed to be.

My mother's friends (and some of our in-laws) were perpetual welfare assistance. They couldn't understand why she worked 2-3 jobs or why she send me to a private school, instead of just sticking me on the bus to go to public school and relying on them stamps and that check on the 1st and 15th. Heck, she paid more in the welfare system (via taxes) than some of her friends. Yet, she used it the LEAST.

And they thought she was NUTS, trying to drive a semi-tractor trailer, mainly to earn money to send me to college.

But, now I see what your problem is. You're of the daft belief that anyone who (however briefly) was on welfare is obligated to condone the utter stupidity that Obama and his supporters perpetuate, namely staying on the government dole indefinitely.

Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Necrosis on December 04, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
So is excessive taxation (why do you think tax collectors, then and now, are so loathed) especially when the fiscal problem is government spending money like crazed valley girls with their daddies' credit card. But, you don't seem to address that part.

so the fact that taxes are at almost all times lows doesn't factor into your distorted view of reality?
I never claimed that He was. And, I'm not either. Again, you have this warped view that people keeping as much of their HARD-EARNED money as possible is bad. That goes back that covetous entitlement mentality that you have a right to someone else's loot.

I never said this, nice straw man, what I'm suggesting is equality, i pay 50% income tax how could I possibly have this covetous mentatlity?
I'm married with four kids. That doesn't mean that Mickey D's has to pay me nearly six figures to feed my family, if I apply for a job to flip burgers.

no it does not, however, when record profits have been made by major corporations in the last 5-10 years and none of that translates into more jobs or better pay/benefits, something isn't working. Creating massive inequality is not good.
I didn't avoid your questions. But, for some reason, you keep avoiding mine. And they ain't that hard to answer.

As I said before, YOU don't make the rules as to what charity counts and what doesn't.

I know, Churchs are laughable.
I give to food banks, via my church. I help educate kids, through my church, just as people helped me get my education, via the church (In fact, when my mother couldn't afford to pay my high school tuition and I had to leave, my church raised money to help send me BACK).



You missed a verse: "



Funny how you left off the earlier part of that chapter, involving the talents, namely verse 29:

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.


Furthermore, that passage is about PERSONAL attention to those less fortunate, not government-mandated wallet looting via tax hikes.

oh jesus, I'm not going down this road, I'm sorry I started, I can already see the semantic contortions.
Are liberals only able to help the poor, when the government makes them (or it makes good PR)?

Nicodemus had many possessions; Jesus didn't ask him to sell all of his goods. Same goes for Zaccheus, the tax collector (though he gave up some of his good, of his own conviction), Jairus, and the centurion (whose servant Jesus healed).

Jesus encountered multiple rich people; yet asked only ONE to give up all his goods. Care to guess why?

Once again, you're leaving off the background of that verse, starting with the beginning of that chapter. The Pharisees, as usual, were trying to trip Jesus up, so they could accuse Him of blasphemy and have Him executed.

It has ZILCH to do with castigating rich people, or implying that others have the right to their money, simply for having a pulse.

Your interpretation requires subjective opinion, I think Jesus can speak for himself. Not that Jesus was the brighest tool in the shed however.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: MCWAY on December 04, 2012, 07:31:46 AM

so the fact that taxes are at almost all times lows doesn't factor into your distorted view of reality?


It does, but not as much as excessive spending, especially considering that jacking up taxes on anyone doesn't solve the problem. All it does is feed your desire to take other people's cash, foolishly thinking it's going to help the poor and pay down the debt.


I never said this, nice straw man, what I'm suggesting is equality, i pay 50% income tax how could I possibly have this covetous mentatlity?


Misery loves company  ;D. You're one to talk about straw men. You know how many Nativity scenes one could make with the ones you prop up?


no it does not, however, when record profits have been made by major corporations in the last 5-10 years and none of that translates into more jobs or better pay/benefits, something isn't working. Creating massive inequality is not good.

First, record profits DO translate into more jobs and better pay/benefits. Record losses, however, translate into layoffs and reduced hours and benefits.

If any inequality is being created, it's via some of these worthless public schools, pumping out kids who can barely read and write, coupled with those who aren't even finishing school.

That's one reason my mother sacrificed so much to keep me in private school.


I know, Churchs are laughable.

Having money siphoned from you via government....Good. VOLUNTARILY giving money to your church..."laughable"

RIIIIIIIGHT!!!!  ::)


oh jesus, I'm not going down this road, I'm sorry I started, I can already see the semantic contortions.

Then, you must have excellent mirrors.



Your interpretation requires subjective opinion, I think Jesus can speak for himself. Not that Jesus was the brighest tool in the shed however.

He can and does, which is what make YOUR interpretation "laughable".  ;D
Title: Do dems just plan to not pay off the debt?
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 10:23:55 AM
I mean dems want 800B more spending when we are 17T in debt.

If a teen is in debt you cut teens spending till creditcard paid off from earning being above spending.

USA?

dems must have idea that in end just not pay anything

http://news.msn.com/politics/update-white-house-rejects-gop-fiscal-cliff-counteroffer?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/politics/update-white-house-rejects-gop-fiscal-cliff-counteroffer?ocid=ansnews11)
Title: chinese man pushed into subway to his death by african attacker madman!!
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 10:27:30 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nightmare_on_subway_tracks_GgvCtkeJj6cTeyxHns2VNP (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nightmare_on_subway_tracks_GgvCtkeJj6cTeyxHns2VNP)


(http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2012/12/04/news/web_photos/victim122928--525x325.jpg)

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Title: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 10:57:25 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/chief_other_girl_uULWUcuM7p4tJb2PLeaITP (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/chief_other_girl_uULWUcuM7p4tJb2PLeaITP)

The law currently lets women have a child even if the man does not want it.  Often to the selfish financial gain of the girl.

How many deaths and ruined lives are caused by these unnatural laws?

A man should have to sign that he wants the kid.
Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.

it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.

There has never in history been a moral justification for stealing from a producer to give to a non producer.
You are immoral if you do.
Title: America faces yet another Congressionally-manufactured crisis -Ron Paul
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul835.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul835.html)

The hysteria surrounding the January 1 deadline for the Budget Control Act’s spending cuts and expiration of the Bush tax cuts seems all too familiar. Even the language is predictably hysterical: if government reduces planned spending increases by even a tiny amount, the economy will go over a “fiscal cliff.” This is nonsense.
Title: 1,400 Palestinians were killed, of which just 235 were combatants. The Israelis
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
How To End the Tragedy in Gaza

by Ron Paul

Recently by Ron Paul: 5 Greatest Dangers to a Free Society

        
 
    


As of late Friday the ceasefire in Gaza seems to be holding, if tentatively. While we should be pleased that this round of fighting appears temporarily on hold, we must realize that without changes in US foreign policy it is only a matter of time before the killing begins again.

It feels like 2009 all over again, which is the last time this kind of violence broke out inGaza. At that time over  :o1,400 Palestinians were killed, of which just 235 were combatants. The Israelis lost 13 of which 10 were combatants. At that time I said of then-President Bush’s role in the conflict:

“It's our money and our weapons. But I think we encouraged it. Certainly, the president has said nothing to diminish it. As a matter of fact, he justifies it on moral grounds, saying, oh, they have a right to do this, without ever mentioning the tragedy of Gaza…. To me, I look at it like a concentration camp.”

The US role has not changed under the Obama administration. The same mistakes continue. As journalist Glen Greenwald wrote last week:

"For years now, US financial, military and diplomatic support of Israel has been the central enabling force driving this endless conflict. The bombs Israel drops on Gazans, and the planes they use to drop them, and the weapons they use to occupy the West Bank and protect settlements are paid for, in substantial part, by the US taxpayer…”


http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul834.html (http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul834.html)
Title: national debt from 1940 to present
Post by: magikusar on December 04, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
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http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/rossini5.1.1.html (http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/rossini5.1.1.html)

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Title: Re: Obama is for the rich
Post by: Primemuscle on December 04, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
So are you voting dem?

They are the only ones who wants to cut the military the GOP wants to increase it.

Is there an election in the near future? I thought the next election will be in 2014. Perhaps you meant voted or supports "Dem"???
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: Primemuscle on December 04, 2012, 01:33:28 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/chief_other_girl_uULWUcuM7p4tJb2PLeaITP (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/chief_other_girl_uULWUcuM7p4tJb2PLeaITP)

The law currently lets women have a child even if the man does not want it.  Often to the selfish financial gain of the girl.

How many deaths and ruined lives are caused by these unnatural laws?

A man should have to sign that he wants the kid.

A man "signs up" for a kid whenever he doesn't wear protection. In most cases, children are a financial expense, not only for the father but also for the mother, even if she gets child support from the father. You'd know how expensive it is to raise a child to adulthood if you had one.

Do not get me wrong; I am not putting all the blame for pregnancy on the man. As best as I know, it takes both a man and a woman to produce offspring. Each party should protect their own interests....IMO.
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: avxo on December 04, 2012, 06:58:18 PM
A man "signs up" for a kid whenever he doesn't wear protection. In most cases, children are a financial expense, not only for the father but also for the mother, even if she gets child support from the father. You'd know how expensive it is to raise a child to adulthood if you had one.

Do not get me wrong; I am not putting all the blame for pregnancy on the man. As best as I know, it takes both a man and a woman to produce offspring. Each party should protect their own interests....IMO.

Q.F.T.
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 06:58:55 PM
A man "signs up" for a kid whenever he doesn't wear protection. In most cases, children are a financial expense, not only for the father but also for the mother, even if she gets child support from the father. You'd know how expensive it is to raise a child to adulthood if you had one.

Do not get me wrong; I am not putting all the blame for pregnancy on the man. As best as I know, it takes both a man and a woman to produce offspring. Each party should protect their own interests....IMO.

but you are ok with a woman forcing a man to have a kid he does not want?

wow

just wow
Title: Geithner: take power of debt ceiling from congress and give to president LUNATIC
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:03:03 PM
http://lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff189.html (http://lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff189.html)

Doing Away With Ceiling Drama
by Peter Schiff

Recently by Peter Schiff: Patriotic Millionaires Unmasked

        
 
    


Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner made news last week by proposing to transfer the Congressional prerogative to raise the debt ceiling to the President. The change would essentially do away with the meaningless debt ceiling debates that have become ritual kabuki in Washington over the past few generations. Most Republicans have dismissed the proposal as a blatant executive power grab that will significantly weaken both the Congress and the minority party. While this is certainly true, Congress will only lose a power that it has never shown the slightest courage to actually use. But in truth, the proposal has the merit of refreshing honesty. By telling U.S. taxpayers, and the world in general, that the U.S. government has no intention of ever balancing its budget or limiting its accumulation of unsustainable debt, then perhaps we can begin to have an honest discussion about our economic future.

Congress has always decided how much money the U.S. government will spend and how it will tax the citizenry to meet those obligations. Geithner's proposal will change none of that. The debt ceiling debates have been simply to authorize the U.S. Treasury to issue debt to cover the ever widening gap between what Congress spends and what it taxes. As a result, these debates have become nothing more than exercises in feigned outrage. If Congress wants to control the debt, let them do so. If they don't care, just continue on the current path. Dropping the pretense is at least more honest. 


The move will also help blunt the ridiculous assertions made by those in favor of lifting the debt ceiling that doing so somehow means that the United States is taking the prudent and moral step of "paying its bills." In a press conference this week, Obama Administration Press Secretary Jay Carney claimed that by raising the ceiling, U.S. creditors will know that our government will meet its obligations. That is taking Orwellian doublethink to new heights of absurdity.

It is impossible to "pay" one's bills by borrowing more. Taking out new loans to retire existing debt may replace old creditors with newer, larger, creditors, but it can never be described as a real pay down. It's like paying off your Visa card with a Master Card. Paying one's bills requires that outstanding debt be diminished. In direct opposition to Carney's and Geithner's statements, the only way to force the government to actually pay its bills is to not raise the debt ceiling. But a fictitious debt limit is worse because it allows Congress to pretend that its atrocious budgeting decisions are not to blame. 


Both Congress and the President readily admit that without an increase in the debt ceiling, the government will default on its obligations. This is tantamount to an admission that we lack the capacity or political will to actually repay what we have borrowed. Yet despite this, our creditors continue to loan us more money. As existing treasury bonds mature, we not only borrow the money necessary to redeem them, but we borrow it from the very people cashing them in. So it's not really like paying our Visa bill with our MasterCard, it's like paying our Visa with our Visa.

The debt ceiling itself is both an ill-conceived compromise and a relic of past governmental integrity. For its first 128 years as a republic, the United States was able to function without a debt ceiling. This was possible for the simple reason that U.S. government had no central bank and could not borrow beyond its ability to repay through taxation. And since the ability to tax is always limited by taxpayers' assets (and their extreme hostility to those who want to take them), legal gimmicks were not needed to prevent Congress from spending too freely. But the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 gave the Federal Government a potential means to borrow indefinitely by having the new bank buy its debt. Sensing this danger, the original Federal Reserve Act of 1913 prohibited the Fed from buying or holding government debt. 


But just four years later the United States needed a means to raise money quickly to pay for its efforts in the First World War. The government passed an amendment to the charter to allow the Fed to purchase Treasury Bonds. Fearing (correctly) that this would create a mechanism for perpetual debt expansion, conservative lawmakers insisted that the amendment include a "debt ceiling" provision that would cap the amount that the government could borrow.

What these otherwise forward looking politicians somehow failed to grasp was that such a statutory limit was wholly meaningless, as it could be perpetually raised by future legislative action. This is exactly what has happened. The debt ceiling has been raised, with varying degrees of fanfare, every time it has been hit. This renders the law completely meaningless.

Now of course, under the pretense of fiscal responsibility, the President wants to do the most fiscally irresponsible thing imaginable – eliminate the ceiling entirely. He hopes that doing so will send a clear and unequivocal message that America will never default on its debts. However, the message may not resonate the way the President hopes. What our creditors may actually hear is that nothing will stand in the way of America's accumulation of more debt. Such a development may be the shock therapy our creditors need to finally cut us off for good. If that occurs, interest rates in the United States could finally rise to more rational levels. A significant increase in the cost of borrowing will create the mother of all fiscal cliffs. It's too bad that Tim Geithner can't see that one coming.






December 5, 2012

Peter Schiff is president of Euro Pacific Capital and author of The Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets and Crash Proof: How to Profit from the Coming Economic Collapse. His latest book is The Real Crash: America's Coming Bankruptcy, How to Save Yourself and Your Country.
Title: Obama to tax the internet WOW thanks obama!! thanks DEMS!
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:08:39 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/online-sales-tax-to-be-added-to-defense-authorization-bill/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/online-sales-tax-to-be-added-to-defense-authorization-bill/)

This may be the last Christmas of online shopping without paying sales tax.

A proposed online sales tax has been offered as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, much to the ire of opponents.

The Computer and Communications Industry Association, a group that opposes this move, says that an online sales tax will burden small businesses, “some of the most promising candidates for future economic growth.”
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“This proposal, and other online sales tax collection proposals like it, would allow states to penalize the innovative e-commerce business model by targeting small online businesses as convenient sources (and collectors) of revenue,” said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black.

The Marketplace Fairness Act, and its House counterpart the Marketplace Equity Act, seek to clarify, and arguably overturn, a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that requires retailers to have a physical presence in a state in order to collect sales tax on goods.

“Severing the relationship between taxation and physical presence would be a fundamental transformation in how we consider taxes,” Black continued. “Such a significant step deserves more extensive consideration than attachment to the unrelated Defense Authorization bill.”

Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”. They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community.

“Local retailers invest in their communities and play a significant role in the overall quality of life in the places we call home,” said Betsy Laird, senior vice president of global public policy for the  International Council of Shopping Centers.
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Collecting the tax across state lines however poses as a challenge for small businesses that sell their goods in multiple states.

“It is not the job of small businesses to collect taxes to provide tax revenue relief for state and local governments outside their jurisdiction,” Black said, suggesting that an online tax would protect existing businesses at the expense of consumers and growth.

Some Republicans are on board, with Wyoming Sen. Mike Enzi as “the most overlooked tax loophole.”

“We are optimistic that once the Marketplace Fairness Act is brought for a vote, it will have enough support to pass,” said Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin’s spokeswoman, Christina Mulka.

Both Sens. Durbin and Enzi have offered the bill as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.

“Sen. Durbin is focused on working with his colleagues to try to get a vote on the bill before the end of this year, whether as a stand-alone bill or part of a larger piece of legislation,” Mulka said. “They are keeping all options on the table at this point.”

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Title: why did dems and big gov make GEO metro 50mpg car illegal as 'unsafe' ??
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:15:02 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=90254&endYear=2013&modelCode1=GEOMETRO&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&makeCode1=GEO&sellerTypes=b&searchRadius=100&maxPrice=9000&mmt=%5BGEO%5BGEOMETRO%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=333434799&listingIndex=2&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=90254&endYear=2013&modelCode1=GEOMETRO&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&makeCode1=GEO&sellerTypes=b&searchRadius=100&maxPrice=9000&mmt=%5BGEO%5BGEOMETRO%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=333434799&listingIndex=2&Log=0)

I mean who needs hybrid if have 50mpg from gas?
Title: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:29:23 PM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/)


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.

Title: '2016' made more money than other 15 oscar nominees combined BIAS
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/2016-oscar-snub-has-filmmakers-397855 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/2016-oscar-snub-has-filmmakers-397855)

Gerald Molen, who produced the Academy Award-winning 'Schindler's List,' said the box-office success of the anti-Obama documentary proves the film was a hit: "The action confirms my opinion that the bias against anything from a conservative point of view is dead on arrival in Hollywood."
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
but you are ok with a woman forcing a man to have a kid he does not want?

wow

just wow

Explain for me how a woman can force a man to have a kid he does not want. Did you mean to say that in some cases women can expect and actually get child support for the kid the man helped produce? Men cannot "have" kids, that is physically not possible.
Title: Santorum: Obama has automatic cuts and tax hikes deal he likes
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
Rik Santorum said Obama won't budge from automatic deal.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fiscal-cliff-budget-deadline/2012/12/05/id/466524 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fiscal-cliff-budget-deadline/2012/12/05/id/466524)
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:01:06 PM
Explain for me how a woman can force a man to have a kid he does not want. Did you mean to say that in some cases women can expect and actually get child support for the kid the man helped produce? Men cannot "have" kids, that is physically not possible.

A woman chooses to get pregnant.

I think a man should have to sign something that he wants the kid.  The man owns his sperm.

Letting women simply carry the unwanted preg to baby status then ask for $$ from taxpayer or man when neither wanted the kid she selfishly had is silly.
Title: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:03:14 PM
Club for Growth's Chocola: Obama Has 'Perverted Sense of Fairness'

 Wednesday, 05 Dec 2012 06:51 PM

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 Club for Growth President Chris Chocola tells Newsmax that President Obama has a “perverted sense of fairness” when it comes to negotiations on the fiscal cliff, and may in fact want to drive the nation over that cliff.

 Chocola is also critical of House Speaker John Boehner’s fiscal cliff proposal, saying it increases the tax burden without spurring economic growth.

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 And he warns that many people will be “very upset” if Republicans vote for tax increases and those lawmakers could face a primary challenge as a result.

 Club for Growth is a fiscally conservative political organization that supports a low-tax and limited-government agenda. Chocola became president of the group in 2009. Before that he served two terms as a U.S. congressman from Indiana.

 President Obama insists on raising taxes on wealthier Americans, but now says he is willing to consider cuts to entitlement programs. In an exclusive interview with Newsmax TV on Wednesday, Chocola was asked if he believes Obama really wants to compromise or is intent on taking the country over the fiscal cliff of tax hikes and mandatory spending cuts.

 “The president has a perverted sense of fairness. He wants to raise taxes on the top 2 percent or those earning over $250,000 even though the math doesn’t work,” he says.
 “If we do what the president wants us to do, we’d solve less than 8 percent of our annual deficit.

 “I’m not convinced that the president doesn’t want to go off the cliff. If he’s wedded to the political point of raising taxes just to say he did, he’s not living up to his responsibility to address the debt and the deficit.

 “I hope someone in Washington does and I hope it’s the Republicans that stand firm and not compromise to the point where they’re just simply engaging in a political act rather than a policy position that actually starts to get us down the road to fiscal sanity.”

 Speaker Boehner has put forth a fiscal cliff proposal that raises $800 billion in new revenue by closing loopholes and deductions but would not raise tax rates on top earners. The plan has come under fire from not just the White House but also some conservatives. Chocola disapproves of the plan as well.

 “From what I understand from the Boehner plan, it’s not pro-growth,” he says.

 “At the Club for Growth, we tend to judge things on whether it’s pro-growth or not. We’re fine with additional revenue that is derived from economic growth. If you had true pro-growth tax reform, the economy would grow and that would result in more revenue and that would be fine.

 “But Boehner’s proposal so far doesn’t have the pro-growth element of reducing marginal tax rates. It simply closes deductions, loopholes, credits, and that alone is anti-growth.
 You’re simply increasing the tax burden on Americans without any offset that would spur economic growth.

 “So I don’t think that his current proposal is something conservatives should support. But I hope there is a way the president and Congress can find to look at the problem as it exists and start to attack our debt and deficit.”

 Chocola was asked if his group would oppose any Republican who signs on to a deal that raises taxes.

 “Every race that we look at, we have to have a better alternative,” he responds.

 “If we challenge an incumbent, we want to make sure we’re for a stronger challenger and that [candidate] would be better at supporting a pro-growth agenda more consistently and more enthusiastically.

 “The reality is that if Republicans vote for tax increases, if they compromise on a solution that does nothing really to solve the fiscal challenges our country faces, then the Club for Growth’s going to be the least of their worries. A lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives are going to be very disappointed in that. It will probably inspire people to run against those types of Republicans that aren’t willing to stand for the principles that Republicans are supposed to stand for.

 “We’ll look at those types of races but it’s going to be a lot more than the Club for Growth that they need to worry about because a lot of people will be very upset.”

 President Obama in a speech on Wednesday stressed the need to raise the debt ceiling, and [Treasury Secretary] Tim Geithner recently stated that debt ceiling powers should be taken away from Congress.

 Chocola comments: “I’m very worried if [Congress loses] those powers. It’s the responsibility of Congress and I don’t see any scenario in which Congress should give up that power.

 “We have to get responsible behavior in return for any increase in the debt ceiling. President Obama very much dislikes having to negotiate with Congress on anything, especially the debt ceiling. We have to get to a point where we don’t have to raise the debt ceiling anymore — in fact, we start to pay off our debt. And the only way you do that is through a pro-growth approach.

 “The thing that’s going to kill is our unfunded liabilities. We have over $80 trillion of unfunded liabilities, primarily in things like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. And it doesn’t seem that the president or the administration is all that serious about trying to tackle these things. He’s done nothing serious to do that.

 “So we’ve got a lot of challenges and it’s all very concerning because there doesn’t seem to be the political will to do the hard things. And really this fiscal cliff is a little bit of a bump in the road when you consider the bigger problems that we face with entitlements, and any solution to the fiscal cliff that does not start to address our entitlement problems and put reforms in place, then it’s really a very shortsighted approach and does nothing to solve the bigger problems that we all face.”

 In his exclusive Newsmax interview, Chocola also says it’s a “big mistake” for Speaker Boehner to remove several conservatives from committee seats — although their removal could prove to be “good news” in the end.

 And he explains why the Club for Growth does not support the Republican who plans to run in 2014 for the seat held by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller.


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Title: tea party 2.0 when obama drives off fiscal cliff --norqist AWESOME cant wait
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-obama-tea-party/2012/12/04/id/466463 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-obama-tea-party/2012/12/04/id/466463)

Norquist to Newsmax: Obama Taxing and Spending Will Resurrect Tea Party

 Tuesday, 04 Dec 2012 06:58 PM

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 Low-tax crusader Grover Norquist tells Newsmax that President Obama’s willingness to allow the country to go over the fiscal cliff could lead to a tea party resurrection.

 “Four years ago, Obama misunderstood his mandate. He said everybody’s voted for me and then he turned around and spent $800-plus billion on stimulus spending and then more money and more money and you had a tea party reaction and he lost the House of Representatives and went from 70 percent support to below 50.

 “Now we have a situation where the president gets re-elected by a smaller margin, then turns around and says well, everybody’s made me king so you have to do what I want, except in addition to spending too much money, which he did four years ago, he’s now going to have a trillion dollars in tax increases for healthcare. He wants $1.5 trillion on other tax increases.

 “And now we have this situation where Obama wants to have a series of regulations showering down on the American people, EPA and OSHA and others, which are very, very expensive and they’re all unpleasant surprises for small businesses.

 “The regulations, the taxes and the spending will generate tea party 2.0, much stronger than tea party 1.0 because it’s going to be deeper. It’s not just spending. It’s spending, taxes and regulations.”


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Title: Obama care introduces Value Added Tax or VAT on medical devices
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:11:07 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE8B41GW20121205 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE8B41GW20121205)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE8B41GW20121205

Reuters) - The U.S. Internal Revenue Service on Wednesday released final rules for a new tax on medical devices, products ranging from surgical sutures to knee replacement implants, that starts next year as part of President Barack Obama's 2010 healthcare law.

The 2.3-percent tax must be paid, effective after December 31, by device-makers on their gross sales. The tax is expected to raise $29 billion in government revenues through 2022
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2012, 08:21:59 PM
A woman chooses to get pregnant.

I think a man should have to sign something that he wants the kid.  The man owns his sperm.

Letting women simply carry the unwanted preg to baby status then ask for $$ from taxpayer or man when neither wanted the kid she selfishly had is silly.

A woman cannot get pregnant without sperm, either from a donor who deposited it in a test tube or from a donor who deposits it in her vagina during sex with her.

What are you suggesting here? Are you suggesting there be a pregnancy termination squad that goes about terminating pregnancies in women when the men who fathered the child doesn't want it? Tell me how you think this would play out.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you fathered? Are you paying the freight for these kids?

There is nothing you can say that will convince me or most other rational people that women have all the responsibility in a pregnancy whether it is wanted or not.

Incidentally, there are many men who actually want children. Obviously, you aren't one of them; which might be a good thing.  ;D
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
A woman cannot get pregnant without sperm, either from a donor who deposited it in a test tube or from a donor who deposits it in her vagina during sex with her.

What are you suggesting here? Are you suggesting there be a pregnancy termination squad that goes about terminating pregnancies in women when the men who fathered the child doesn't want it? Tell me how you think this would play out.

BTW, how many unwanted babies have you fathered? Are you paying the freight for these kids?

There is nothing you can say that will convince me or most other rational people that women have all the responsibility in a pregnancy whether it is wanted or not.

Incidentally, there are many men who actually want children. Obviously, you aren't one of them; which might be a good thing.  ;D

Please re read my points and answer them.
Title: can privately owned automated factories produce all the worlds goods?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
is this impossible

I dont think so.

I find it interesting that more of production is not automated.

Housing for sure should be factory created now with production line and interchangable parts.

Henry ford was realy more awesome the more I study his stuff, along with deming who said refine the process dont focus on emplyee mistakes to move to 0 defects.

Just amazing what would happen if these things were spread.

What are the counterforces to such progress??

politics
unions
corps who want houses to remain expensive
individuals who want houses to remain expensive
etc

Why would be treat a desktop computer like a store of value to ever go up in price as it ages....

seems silly yet we do that for houses

how many wars would be avoided if the energy put into mass prodcing housing so everyone happy and not crammed agaisnt one another???

food for thought getbig
Title: Re: How many deaths due to laws tying man to an unwanted baby by selfish girl?
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2012, 08:54:36 PM

I think a man should have to sign something that he wants the kid.  The man owns his sperm.


When a man intends to give up that sperm he owns by depositing it in a woman's vagina, the woman should refuse his gift until he signs something legally binding saying he will help raise any resulting children. This answers what I think is your only point.

Incidentally, a woman "owns" her egg, which is nothing more than just an egg until the man's sperm fertilizes it.
Title: Re: can privately owned automated factories produce all the worlds goods?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
Imagine for example if 30million unemplyed now were all hired to work at producing mass produced housing.

WOW 600,000 people in each state producing mass produced housing

madcap amount of productivity



Title: If democrats are smarter, why can't we see Obama's admissions docs?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 09:04:00 PM
LOL

nuked another dem idea back into stone age

damn I deserve free beer for this one

(http://www.mrmystic.com/images/merchandise-photo-obamabar-obama-bar-chicago-1985-community-organizer-teavher-intern-job.jpg)
Title: do japan and china allow USA to have factories there? for sale there?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 09:20:21 PM
anyone know?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
I think sterilize all women at 12.

Then b4 baby must have man sign.

simple
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
I think sterilize all women at 12.

Then b4 baby must have man sign.

simple

You are sinking into that all too familiar hole where you are no longer able to have lucid thoughts.

Here's the thing. If you sterilize all girls before they've become fertile, they can't get pregnant even if the man signs his name in blood or semen.

Simply stupid.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 11:31:30 PM
You are sinking into that all too familiar hole where you are no longer able to have lucid thoughts.

Here's the thing. If you sterilize all girls before they've become fertile, they can't get pregnant even if the man signs his name in blood or semen.

Simply stupid.

I guess you never heard of reversible sterilization aka tying tubes?

Remember insulting people is bannable now, lets stick to the issues lucidly.
Title: Re: If democrats are smarter, why can't we see Obama's admissions docs?
Post by: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 11:34:06 PM
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Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 05, 2012, 11:41:34 PM
I guess you never heard of reversible sterilization aka tying tubes?

Remember insulting people is bannable now, lets stick to the issues lucidly.

Did I insult you? I thought I was merely pointing out the obvious.

Here's a thought, how about the U.S. Congress enacts a law requiring female circumcision or FGM much as is done in African and some other places and where a female's vaginal lips are sewn shut so she cannot be penetrated until she marries.

Quote
FGM is typically carried out on girls from a few days old to puberty. It may take place in a hospital, but is usually performed, without anesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife, razor, or scissors. According to the WHO, it is practiced in 28 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America, Australasia. The WHO estimates that 100–140 million women and girls around the world have experienced the procedure, including 92 million in Africa. The practice is carried out by some communities who believe it reduces a woman's libido.

The WHO has offered four classifications of FGM. The main three are Type I, removal of the clitoral hood, almost invariably accompanied by removal of the clitoris itself (clitoridectomy); Type II, removal of the clitoris and inner labia; and Type III (infibulation), removal of all or part of the inner and outer labia, and usually the clitoris, and the fusion of the wound, leaving a small hole for the passage of urine and menstrual blood—the fused wound is opened for intercourse and childbirth. Around 85 percent of women who undergo FGM experience Types I and II, and 15 percent Type III, though Type III is the most common procedure in several countries, including Sudan, Somalia, and Djibouti. Several miscellaneous acts are categorized as Type IV. These range from a symbolic pricking or piercing of the clitoris or labia, to cauterization of the clitoris, cutting into the vagina to widen it (gishiri cutting), and introducing corrosive substances to tighten it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

 
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 06, 2012, 01:04:14 AM
Did I insult you? I thought I was merely pointing out the obvious.

Here's a thought, how about the U.S. Congress enacts a law requiring female circumcision or FGM much as is done in African and some other places and where a female's vaginal lips are sewn shut so she cannot be penetrated until she marries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

 

man female mutilation by savages is not the same as simple reversible tube typing

then simple reversal when a baby is wanted by man as well as woman

think of all the poor singel mosm who would not be sentanced to a life of poverty by an unwanted child they were nto educated enough to prevent

wow

the saving to society would be staggering

and we would nto have NFL players murdering themsvels and their baby momma over unwanted kids and money
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2012, 01:22:54 AM
man female mutilation by savages is not the same as simple reversible tube typing

then simple reversal when a baby is wanted by man as well as woman

think of all the poor singel mosm who would not be sentanced to a life of poverty by an unwanted child they were nto educated enough to prevent

wow

the saving to society would be staggering



and we would nto have NFL players murdering themsvels and their baby momma over unwanted kids and money

While you may think these people are savages, they probably don't see it that way at all. It is simply part of their culture.

There are many in our culture that would see you proposal as savage. By this I mean do you suppose these 12 year old girls would ask to have their tubes tied? I doubt that would be the case, therefore someone would be making this decision for them. Who would do that? Would it be their parents. I doubt this because that is not the norm in our culture. This leaves us with a law requiring it. Who do you suppose would pass such a law....Congress? I doubt it.

Perhaps you are suggesting a bunch of renegade men (some would say savages) who want to fuck little girls so they are willing to fuck them up against their will to do it and not risk impregnating them.

Wow....just wow!
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: whork on December 06, 2012, 04:39:28 AM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/)


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.



If North Korea bombs you im all for it ;)

Where can you donate to their missile program?
Title: Re: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: whork on December 06, 2012, 04:44:03 AM
So the GOP cries about the deficit and the fiscal cliff but has no plan of fixing it.

Obama comes with a plan that fixes 8% of the annual deficit but the GOP wont do it because it raises taxes on the rich.

The GOP is killing our economy to make the already rich even richer and now they kill of the middleclass.

Im glad actually no everybody can see the republicans true colors.

Title: Re: tea party 2.0 when obama drives off fiscal cliff --norqist AWESOME cant wait
Post by: whork on December 06, 2012, 04:45:42 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-obama-tea-party/2012/12/04/id/466463 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-obama-tea-party/2012/12/04/id/466463)

Norquist to Newsmax: Obama Taxing and Spending Will Resurrect Tea Party

 Tuesday, 04 Dec 2012 06:58 PM

 By Jim Meyers and Kathleen Walter
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 Low-tax crusader Grover Norquist tells Newsmax that President Obama’s willingness to allow the country to go over the fiscal cliff could lead to a tea party resurrection.

 “Four years ago, Obama misunderstood his mandate. He said everybody’s voted for me and then he turned around and spent $800-plus billion on stimulus spending and then more money and more money and you had a tea party reaction and he lost the House of Representatives and went from 70 percent support to below 50.

 “Now we have a situation where the president gets re-elected by a smaller margin, then turns around and says well, everybody’s made me king so you have to do what I want, except in addition to spending too much money, which he did four years ago, he’s now going to have a trillion dollars in tax increases for healthcare. He wants $1.5 trillion on other tax increases.

 “And now we have this situation where Obama wants to have a series of regulations showering down on the American people, EPA and OSHA and others, which are very, very expensive and they’re all unpleasant surprises for small businesses.

 “The regulations, the taxes and the spending will generate tea party 2.0, much stronger than tea party 1.0 because it’s going to be deeper. It’s not just spending. It’s spending, taxes and regulations.”


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Yeah but they dont vote so who gives a fuck if they march around like retards?
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Kilo Medic on December 06, 2012, 04:46:58 AM
No worries, we have a solution to knock those down watching right now...
Title: Re: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: headhuntersix on December 06, 2012, 04:50:58 AM
Can we certify with this last post that your an epic retard. Obama has NO FUCKING PLAN idiot. The plan calls for a $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and 400 billion in cuts...what? Oh and the REPUBS called for a vote in the Senate on it.....nothing heard. Why because its fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: whork on December 06, 2012, 04:59:21 AM
Can we certify with this last post that your an epic retard. Obama has NO FUCKING PLAN idiot. The plan calls for a $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and 400 billion in cuts...what? Oh and the REPUBS called for a vote in the Senate on it.....nothing heard. Why because its fucking retarded.

When you have a bill to pay you gather revenue to pay it by raising taxes on the rich. Nobody gets hurt.

The GOP is so willing to protect wealthy donors from this that they will raise taxes on the middleclass.

Its simple.

GOP = more deficit, weaker country, raising taxes on the middleclass, and the few rich gets richer.

Dem= lower deficit than with the GOP, stronger economy and country, tax cuts for the middleclass, slightly poorer rich people but the will still be 100 times better of than your average joe.
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: OzmO on December 06, 2012, 08:14:49 AM
Yeah, it's part of North Koreas parking lot program.  In case North Korea wants to turn their country into a parking lot they launch a missle at LA then boom, their country is a parking lot.
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Option D on December 06, 2012, 08:16:14 AM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/)


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.




You live in venice?
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: avxo on December 06, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/)


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.

Judging from their previous launch attempts, you don't have much to worry about.

(http://cf.chucklesnetwork.agj.co/items/9/5/4/4/7/north-korea-rocket-failure-is-illusian.jpg)
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Shockwave on December 06, 2012, 08:38:21 AM
Judging from their previous launch attempts, you don't have much to worry about.

(http://cf.chucklesnetwork.agj.co/items/9/5/4/4/7/north-korea-rocket-failure-is-illusian.jpg)
Lol.

Their rocket launches are highly promising. Just a few more attempts and they're sure to get it right.

 :D
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: littledumbells on December 06, 2012, 09:18:50 AM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/)


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.



  Move. The greater LA area needs an enema
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Straw Man on December 06, 2012, 09:25:06 AM
The title of this thread is misleading

Was the intent to mislead or is the poster just unbelievably careless and misinformed ?
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: avxo on December 06, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
The title of this thread is misleading

Was the intent to mislead or is the poster just unbelievably careless and misinformed ?

Is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Straw Man on December 06, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
Is that a rhetorical question?

it could be

Title: Re: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: Straw Man on December 06, 2012, 12:13:11 PM
The Koch brothers didnt have any electoral success in the last election so i doubt many Repubs are gonna worry about another empty threat
Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: Emmortal on December 06, 2012, 12:34:42 PM
Maynard the prophet.

Title: Re: Holy sh-- N korea rocket can reach los angeles?? ready in 7 days?? WTFFF
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 06, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Is that a rhetorical question?

Sublime sarcasm wrapped in truth is more like it.
Title: everyone ready for merry taxmas?
Post by: magikusar on December 06, 2012, 01:42:17 PM
http://merrytaxmas.org/ (http://merrytaxmas.org/)

Members of Congress have been making backroom deals and preparing to bring you a season’s greeting of their own called “Merry Taxmas!” Americans for Prosperity wants to keep “Taxmas” from happening, by ensuring Congress keeps its promise of cutting wasteful government spending. Please follow the steps below to make your voice heard this holiday season.
Title: Re: Club for growth head Chocola warns: Republicans who raise taxes will be replaced
Post by: magikusar on December 06, 2012, 02:58:31 PM
So the GOP cries about the deficit and the fiscal cliff but has no plan of fixing it.

Obama comes with a plan that fixes 8% of the annual deficit but the GOP wont do it because it raises taxes on the rich.

The GOP is killing our economy to make the already rich even richer and now they kill of the middleclass.

Im glad actually no everybody can see the republicans true colors.



uh the plan is simple CUT SPENDING
you dummy
and the only plan that will WORK
you dummy!!
Title: Re: If democrats are smarter, why can't we see Obama's admissions docs?
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2012, 03:57:04 PM
When you show us yours he'll show you his. Deal?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 06, 2012, 04:04:44 PM
Quote
Quote from: magikusar on December 05, 2012, 08:29:23 PM

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/05/report-north-korea-could-launch-rocket-by-next-week/


As a guy who lives on beach in LA, damn this is worrying.

This truth is out now. Your words: you live "on the beach in L.A." Bums and vagrants live on the beach in L.A. Successful people live at the beach.

I am pretty sure if North Korea were to attempt to bomb L.A. they wouldn't aim for the beach....probably a little more inland like downtown L.A. or Beverly Hills.
Title: Grim budget realities to limit Obama plans in second term...
Post by: magikusar on December 08, 2012, 06:54:59 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-second-term-agenda-will-be-shadowed-by-budget-woes/2012/12/08/ea97e956-4091-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_print.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-second-term-agenda-will-be-shadowed-by-budget-woes/2012/12/08/ea97e956-4091-11e2-ae43-cf491b837f7b_print.html)

Even if President Obama succeeds in getting Republicans to agree to tax hikes on the wealthy as part of a “fiscal cliff” deal, the country’s grim budget realities will still cast a long shadow — limiting his ambitions as he begins plotting a second-term agenda.

Any agreement is likely to result in less than the $1.6 trillion in new taxes over the next decade that Obama requested in his initial offer to House Republicans, and White House aides are signaling to allies that any new money from taxes would be used almost entirely for deficit reduction — not for ambitious, new spending programs or government expansions.

Where Obama entered office four years ago planning to seize a moment of economic crisis as an opportunity for transformational policies such as the $800 billion stimulus and his health care overhaul, he begins his second four years with few, if any, similarly expansive or costly prospects.
Title: Do democrats get that no one trusts government school 'studies' ?
Post by: magikusar on December 08, 2012, 06:57:09 PM
Just asking.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/05/obamacare-saved-consumers-1-5-billion-and-thats-bad-news-for-insurers/?tid=socialss (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/05/obamacare-saved-consumers-1-5-billion-and-thats-bad-news-for-insurers/?tid=socialss)
Title: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: magikusar on December 08, 2012, 08:55:35 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/)

Russia in their presidential elections had cameras in every voting station. Anyone could log in and see it. I did it myself. 600,000 Russians volunteered to monitor the Presidential Elections Online.  ID and Russian language only was required.  Paper ballots avoided fraud. Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. Foreign observers were accepted in Russia and rejected in Communist Amerika. Any Russian could sign up to volunteer to watch out for voter fraud in person. In the end the election reflected the opinion polls from dozens of independent sources in Russia. Putin was the most popular and he was elected.
Title: It's the Communist way. It's the Chicago way.
Post by: magikusar on December 08, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
In Amerika there are only 2 main parties. Oh sure, there are others but one would never know it the way the Amerikan media hides them. . Russia had 5 parties that qualified for the presidential elections. The mainstream media in Amerika demonized Putin and insulted Russians in this video. Amerika will never show Putin like this video or this on TV. Amerika calls it Russian propaganda. Again, the Communist trick is to accuse their opponent of illegal activity they themselves are involved in.  The Communists were the bully in school who first threw a rock at a little boy and then immediately blamed the little boy for doing it. It's the Communist way. It's the Chicago way.  They blame others for being a racist when they are really bigots themselves.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/)
Title: anyone record insurance prices in 2010 and get read to compare them to 2013?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 01:49:46 AM
price comparisons are fun!
Title: Why are 30million people unemployed yet people want cheaper better things?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:15:39 AM
I don't get it.
Title: Re: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 04:24:21 AM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/)

Russia in their presidential elections had cameras in every voting station. Anyone could log in and see it. I did it myself. 600,000 Russians volunteered to monitor the Presidential Elections Online.  ID and Russian language only was required.  Paper ballots avoided fraud. Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. Foreign observers were accepted in Russia and rejected in Communist Amerika. Any Russian could sign up to volunteer to watch out for voter fraud in person. In the end the election reflected the opinion polls from dozens of independent sources in Russia. Putin was the most popular and he was elected.


Ahahahaa ;D

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/jlaksin/putin-rebuffed/
Title: Re: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:35:26 AM
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Title: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:42:37 AM
Donald Trump could be on to something.

Lets gather in that wealth.
Title: Peter schiff is just awesome, Schiff for president, Do opposite of fed airheads
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:44:39 AM
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Title: Re: Why are 30million people unemployed yet people want cheaper better things?
Post by: dude562 on December 09, 2012, 04:50:55 AM
Everybody wants a bargain! Are you working???
Title: Re: Why are 30million people unemployed yet people want cheaper better things?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:54:30 AM
I am always working.

:)

 ;D

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Title: The only cure that would work is a huge dose of free market capitalism
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 04:55:03 AM
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Title: Re: Why are 30million people unemployed yet people want cheaper better things?
Post by: dude562 on December 09, 2012, 05:04:10 AM
What does that mean? Do you have a job?
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
Donald Trump could be on to something.

The only thing Trump is on to is peddling cheap "Made in China" dress-shirts and ties. And, I guess, making a fool of himself by making grandiose statements about Obama's birth certificate. Oh, and managing to cover his entire head with the 4 hairs he has left. That's quite an accomplishment.


Lets gather in that wealth.

Once you start taxing those imports, the price of the goods will go up. Once the price of goods goes up, people will reevaluate whether they need said goods. This will cause at least some drop in sales... your new tax stream will dry up, just as the income stream for those who sell those products, and... then what?

You are a troll; you vomit nonsense onto the board in tiny sentence-sized morsels, which you pretend qualify for gold nuggets. You represent everything that's wrong.
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2012, 06:31:41 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f5d46552-4225-11e2-979e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Ec1n6H3B


Obama = fail
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 06:33:26 PM
Donald Trump could be on to something.

Lets gather in that wealth.


holy horse shit batman
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
The only thing Trump is on to is peddling cheap "Made in China" dress-shirts and ties. And, I guess, making a fool of himself by making grandiose statements about Obama's birth certificate. Oh, and managing to cover his entire head with the 4 hairs he has left. That's quite an accomplishment.


Once you start taxing those imports, the price of the goods will go up. Once the price of goods goes up, people will reevaluate whether they need said goods. This will cause at least some drop in sales... your new tax stream will dry up, just as the income stream for those who sell those products, and... then what?

You are a troll; you vomit nonsense onto the board in tiny sentence-sized morsels, which you pretend qualify for gold nuggets. You represent everything that's wrong.

Trump was awesome when he forced truther style mr obama to show that fake birth cert.
Trumps hair is awesome.
You talk so much shit and have so little wit.
Your opinion that I dont post what you liek is boring.
Spare us all.
You contribute nothing but lame reddit CCN msnbc democrat party line day n day out.
It's ok if you aren't  a thinker but leave those of us who are be!! You boring cretin!!
I am a published author and can write circles around you any time day or night.
Online is not the english classes you failed in high school.
The prices of import would go up as far as they can before people starting buying american.
There is not unlimited price elasticity in the car market.
Don't let those economics terms scare you bing can help you find them you 5th grader.
Title: Athur JOnes was right wing and so am I
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 08:54:56 PM


http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20084442,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20084442,00.html)
Title: Is Obama the worst president of all time outside the numbers?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:02:06 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RnlFOOpc8ls/TU5BZYckY_I/AAAAAAAAEWo/e212fHZ08tQ/s1600/Ronald+Reagan3.jpg)

If only we had cloning back in 80s
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
Trump was awesome when he forced truther style mr obama to show that fake birth cert.
Trumps hair is awesome.
You talk so much shit and have so little wit.
Your opinion that I dont post what you liek is boring.
Spare us all.
You contribute nothing but lame reddit CCN msnbc democrat party line day n day out.
It's ok if you aren't  a thinker but leave those of us who are be!! You boring cretin!!
I am a published author and can write circles around you any time day or night.
Online is not the english classes you failed in high school.
The prices of import would go up as far as they can before people starting buying american.
There is not unlimited price elasticity in the car market.
Don't let those economics terms scare you bing can help you find them you 5th grader.

(http://www.tsarbomba.org/images/tsar%20bom%20explosion.jpg)
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:11:28 PM
(http://www.tsarbomba.org/images/tsar%20bom%20explosion.jpg)

I know I nuked him into 4th dimension huh?
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
I know I nuked him into 4th dimension huh?

Yeah... something like that Mr. Published Author... you sure did. He won't recover!  ::)
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Yeah... something like that Mr. Published Author... you sure did. He won't recover!  ::)

Nuked into oblivion!!!

(http://media13.onsugar.com/files/2011/08/34/5/1881/18814855/ef2272f6203a0a9e_Funny_Humorous_Pictures_B.jpg)

fun makin monkey outa him!!
Title: Steve Forbes is awesome: Why copy japan and Europe? Thier economies slowing
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-Boehner-renewal-letter/2012/12/07/id/466928 (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-Boehner-renewal-letter/2012/12/07/id/466928)

The United States should not "follow the bad examples of Western Europe and Japan. These countries are all raising taxes and the results are frightening. Japan’s economy is declining. Southern Europe is in a severe recession. France and Germany are about to go into recession. Britain just reported disappointing economic news and experts believe its economy will go into negative territory."

Forbes calls efforts to try to reform the tax code and entitlements little more than two weeks before Christmas "ridiculous." And he says he is concerned about "the rich" label Democrats have slapped on the wealthy.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-Boehner-renewal-letter/2012/12/07/id/466928#ixzz2EchTFBOg
Important: Do You Still Support Obamacare? Vote Here Now!
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: Skeletor on December 09, 2012, 09:18:00 PM
Trump was awesome when he forced truther style mr obama to show that fake birth cert.
Trumps hair is awesome.
You talk so much shit and have so little wit.
Your opinion that I dont post what you liek is boring.
Spare us all.
You contribute nothing but lame reddit CCN msnbc democrat party line day n day out.
It's ok if you aren't  a thinker but leave those of us who are be!! You boring cretin!!
I am a published author and can write circles around you any time day or night.
Online is not the english classes you failed in high school.
The prices of import would go up as far as they can before people starting buying american.
There is not unlimited price elasticity in the car market.
Don't let those economics terms scare you bing can help you find them you 5th grader.

What are your published works?
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
What are your published works?

Nah, not getting my identity.
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 09:27:29 PM
Nah, not getting my identity.

We understand. It's not easy to admit you wrote The Big Penis Book (http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/sex/all/05703/facts.the_big_penis_book.htm), or ghost-wrote all those "how to please your guy" articles on Cosmopolitan.
Title: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:28:41 PM
factories are really the answer

deming and henry ford had it all figured out

seriously

say what you want about santorum but hsi 0 tax on manufacturing idea is worth electing him president for

http://www.ricksantorum.com/news/2011/08/santorum-eliminate-corporate-tax-manufacturers (http://www.ricksantorum.com/news/2011/08/santorum-eliminate-corporate-tax-manufacturers)
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:31:31 PM
We understand. It's not easy to admit you wrote The Big Penis Book (http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/sex/all/05703/facts.the_big_penis_book.htm), or ghost-wrote all those "how to please your guy" articles on Cosmopolitan.

Did your mom buy you that?
Title: Lets tax rap, law firms, unions, TV, and pro sports :)
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
I finally figured out howto fix the deficit and get rida annoying dooshes at the same time!!

Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
Did your mom buy you that?

Really? That's the best you can come up with? ::)
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Primemuscle on December 09, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
factories are really the answer

deming and henry ford had it all figured out

seriously

say what you want about santorum but hsi 0 tax on manufacturing idea is worth electing him president for

http://www.ricksantorum.com/news/2011/08/santorum-eliminate-corporate-tax-manufacturers (http://www.ricksantorum.com/news/2011/08/santorum-eliminate-corporate-tax-manufacturers)

Perhaps you didn't know, but a lot of manufacturing is automated now.
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 09, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Perhaps you didn't know, but a lot of manufacturing is automated now.

No it isn't.

If only we allowed private roads, railways, and atomic powerplants.

Think of it.
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 09, 2012, 10:07:21 PM
Good post, there are more dumb fucks than not. 
Title: Re: why dont we tax china and japan and india imports?
Post by: sync pulse on December 09, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
We agree on something miraculously...indeed lets raise tariffs.
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 12:46:56 AM
No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Quote
Skilled Work, Without the Worker

DRACHTEN, the Netherlands — At the Philips Electronics factory on the coast of China, hundreds of workers use their hands and specialized tools to assemble electric shavers. That is the old way.

At a sister factory here in the Dutch countryside, 128 robot arms do the same work with yoga-like flexibility. Video cameras guide them through feats well beyond the capability of the most dexterous human.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/business/new-wave-of-adept-robots-is-changing-global-industry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 01:14:14 AM
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1951.html (http://www.capitalcentury.com/1951.html)
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: anabolichalo on December 10, 2012, 01:20:20 AM
just like uberman
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 01:30:14 AM
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1951.html (http://www.capitalcentury.com/1951.html)

1951 is long gone. You spend too much time dwelling on the past.
Title: CA School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 01:35:16 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/09/CA-District-That-Owes-1-Billion-On-100-Million-Loan-Not-The-Exception-In-Cash-Strapped-State (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/09/CA-District-That-Owes-1-Billion-On-100-Million-Loan-Not-The-Exception-In-Cash-Strapped-State)
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 01:44:51 AM
1951 is long gone. You spend too much time dwelling on the past.

The article is about some of the first mass produced housing communities and how cheap they were.

Your obsession with recent things is bizarre.
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 02:55:26 AM
Yes it is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/business/new-wave-of-adept-robots-is-changing-global-industry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  

houses are mostly built without bots

cars and some things so so

automation has been around a long time

it is being held out of housing and a lot of things by unions and democrats and cronies
Title: Why do dems love to pay people to not work?
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 04:02:52 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/unemployment-benefits-Democrats-extension/2012/12/08/id/466957 (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/unemployment-benefits-Democrats-extension/2012/12/08/id/466957)

If every person produced, then we would all be richer.
Title: Re: CA School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2012, 05:41:36 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/09/CA-District-That-Owes-1-Billion-On-100-Million-Loan-Not-The-Exception-In-Cash-Strapped-State (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/09/CA-District-That-Owes-1-Billion-On-100-Million-Loan-Not-The-Exception-In-Cash-Strapped-State)

Typical. 
Title: Re: CA School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
Post by: littledumbells on December 10, 2012, 05:50:19 AM
Not exactly new news to some of us. IT changed the local election though as it broke about 2 months prior
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 08:41:18 AM
The article is about some of the first mass produced housing communities and how cheap they were.

Your obsession with recent things is bizarre.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. Chances are we will never see the 1950's again. I was kid then, so naturally life was less complicated. I am not a kid now, and life is still good. You can live in the past, if that is what you choose. I prefer to live in the present.
Title: Re: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 02:16:34 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/)

Russia in their presidential elections had cameras in every voting station. Anyone could log in and see it. I did it myself. 600,000 Russians volunteered to monitor the Presidential Elections Online.  ID and Russian language only was required.  Paper ballots avoided fraud. Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. Foreign observers were accepted in Russia and rejected in Communist Amerika. Any Russian could sign up to volunteer to watch out for voter fraud in person. In the end the election reflected the opinion polls from dozens of independent sources in Russia. Putin was the most popular and he was elected.

Oregon has mail in ballots.....very convenient!
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Well you are entitled to your opinion. Chances are we will never see the 1950's again. I was kid then, so naturally life was less complicated. I not a kid now, and life is still good. You can live in the past, if that is what you choose. I prefer to live in the present.

Man what are you babbling about?
Title: Re: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
Oregon has mail in ballots.....very convenient!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/defense-department-cant-put-soldiers-ballots-together/ (http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/defense-department-cant-put-soldiers-ballots-together/)
Title: Re: Electronic voting in Amerika is a joke. russia laughs at fixed obama election!
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/defense-department-cant-put-soldiers-ballots-together/ (http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/defense-department-cant-put-soldiers-ballots-together/)

This article is such a crock! My son and son-in-law are career military. They have voted in every election during the course of their careers, which for my son-in-law is 15 years and for my son is 25 years (note: he retired three years ago and now works overseas for the U.S. government and still gets his ballots). Both my son and son-in-law have been stationed in various places throughout the world during their careers. They usually get their ballots long before my wife and I do, as does my daughter.
Title: Re: factories are the answer, this is how you make unskilled people productive
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
Man what are you babbling about?

You being welded to some time period in history instead of living in the present. I wasn't the person who posted an ancient article about home construction in the 1950's, but you did. I didn't post the suggestion people go to work in manufacturing when manufacturing has largely been either moved out of country and/or many of the positions are now preformed by robots. A total of 3.2 million – one in six U.S. manufacturing jobs – have disappeared between 2000 and 2007.

Foreign born Latino workers landed two out of every three new construction jobs in 2006 benefiting from strong employment growth in the industry even as the housing market endured a year-long slump. The construction industry employed 2.9 million Hispanic workers in 2006.  Hispanics accounted for 25% of the total employment of 11.8 million in the construction sector.

• The median weekly earnings of Hispanic workers increased 2%, from
$420 to $428, between 2005 and 2006. This rate of increase was higher
than for other groups. However, Hispanics still have the lowest median
wage of any racial or ethnic group.

• The median weekly earnings of foreign-born Hispanic workers fell 3.1%
in 2006, from $400 to $388.


Hmm, wonder why Latinos are finding jobs in construction while some other folks who previously held construction jobs remain unemployed today? Could it be the wages which appear to be less then $10 an hour in the construction trades for Latinos.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 10, 2012, 05:27:16 PM
Check out the occupations with the highest job growth and notice the wages. These are almost exclusively service industry positions and many are low paid. Where oh where are all those jobs in manufacturing someone was talking about?
Title: So Christie Scott in 2016, we repubs have to work to grab senate and bigger hous
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:57:14 AM
majority

I can't wait to see the end of mr deficit mr fail obama

:)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Chris_Christie_2011_Shankbone.JPG)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Rick_Scott_official_portrait.jpg/175px-Rick_Scott_official_portrait.jpg)
Title: Why do we send foriegn aid if we are in deficit situation? deficit=poor
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:58:27 AM
deficit makes people poor

http://www.dailypaul.com/254519/ron-paul-on-fox-tonight-9-12-8-pm-est-talking-turmoil-in-middle-east (http://www.dailypaul.com/254519/ron-paul-on-fox-tonight-9-12-8-pm-est-talking-turmoil-in-middle-east)
Title: again, jobs are not good, productive jobs are, again, jobs not good
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 02:30:28 AM
only productive jobs are good

this was marx's failing

he thought all labor was productive labor

its not

market fixes that

unproductive are fired

this makes more efficient use of resources

all government ruin screws this

http://mises.org/resources.aspx?Id=3477ff81-3b23-4d9a-a9e2-2b3425054332 (http://mises.org/resources.aspx?Id=3477ff81-3b23-4d9a-a9e2-2b3425054332)
Title: Re: again, jobs are not good, productive jobs are, again, jobs not good
Post by: garebear on December 11, 2012, 02:51:28 AM
only productive jobs are good

this was marx's failing

he thought all labor was productive labor

its not

market fixes that

unproductive are fired

this makes more efficient use of resources

all government ruin screws this

http://mises.org/resources.aspx?Id=3477ff81-3b23-4d9a-a9e2-2b3425054332 (http://mises.org/resources.aspx?Id=3477ff81-3b23-4d9a-a9e2-2b3425054332)
It's time to get off the drugs, son.
Title: why don't we lower the debt ceiling to reagan era level? then to zero in 8 years
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
http://mises.org/daily/5457 (http://mises.org/daily/5457)

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/rep-paul-broun-lets-lower-the-debt-ceiling.php (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/rep-paul-broun-lets-lower-the-debt-ceiling.php)
Title: 'THERE WILL BE BLOOD': Dem Makes Vow as Mich. Passes Right-to-Work Law
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
'THERE WILL BE BLOOD':
Dem Makes Vow as Mich. Passes Right-to-Work Law

 ;D

unions are the enemy, they use government and not bargaining pwoer to screw everyone

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/teachers-call-out-as-protests-rev-up-against-michigan-union-bill/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/teachers-call-out-as-protests-rev-up-against-michigan-union-bill/)
Title: Auto Bailout Loss Could Exceed $70 Billion
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/10/Auto-Bailout-Loss-May-Soon-Exceed-70-Billion (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/10/Auto-Bailout-Loss-May-Soon-Exceed-70-Billion)

 ;D

I keep telling you democrats are evil mofos
Title: MI Right to-Work Battle: Union Members Shout Down Tea Party Counter-Protest
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:46:48 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Union-Thugs-Shout-Down-Tea-Party-Counter-Protest-In-Lansing-Michigan (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Union-Thugs-Shout-Down-Tea-Party-Counter-Protest-In-Lansing-Michigan)

Just a few minutes into the demonstration against Michigan’s right to work legislation, Union loyalists show their disdain for free speech by instructing and shouting down members of the Tea Party on the steps of the Michigan State Capitol building. The incident occurred around 7:15 AM and was captured exclusively by Breitbart news.
Title: BIAS ALERT: ABC Uses Hate Group to Show Gay Marriage Dissent
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/11/abc-uses-video-hateful-westboro-baptist-church-to-illustrate-opposition-to-gay/ (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/11/abc-uses-video-hateful-westboro-baptist-church-to-illustrate-opposition-to-gay/)

Apparently, ABC News can't tell the difference between opponents of gay marriage and hateful, anti-American bigots. As "World News" reporter Terry Moran highlighted the Supreme Court's decision Friday to consider the legality of same-sex marriage, video of Westboro Baptist Church picketers appeared on screen to visually represent "opponents."

Members of the small and extreme Westboro Baptist Church have disrupted the funerals of American military personal who were killed defending this country. According to Westboro Pastor Fred Phelps, U.S. soldiers are dying because of America's support for homosexuality. On June 13, 2005, the AP quoted him as saying, "Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/11/abc-uses-video-hateful-westboro-baptist-church-to-illustrate-opposition-to-gay/#ixzz2EmZEDmTK
Title: Treasury Dept. Wraps Up TARP Bailout of AIG by Selling Assets to China
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Treasury-Dept-Wraps-Up-TARP-Bailout-Of-AIG-By-Selling-Assets-To-China (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/Treasury-Dept-Wraps-Up-TARP-Bailout-Of-AIG-By-Selling-Assets-To-China)


The Treasury Department announced on Monday that it would unload its remaining shares of American International Group (AIG), the infamous insurance giant that received $182 billion in bailout money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

As part of the divestment plan, AIG will also sell its aircraft leasing business (ILFC) to a Chinese consortium.

The deal will give China “access to a global network of about 200 airlines in 80 countries.”

According to Reuters, taxpayers that bailed out and now own AIG will lose out in the deal because the $4.8 billion sale is “at a far cheaper price than AIG sought and will lead to a substantial loss.”
Title: Re: MI Right to-Work Battle: Union Members Shout Down Tea Party Counter-Protest
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
Coinciding with the votes were massive and noisy protests both inside and outside the Capitol from pro-union demonstrators. Thousands descended upon downtown Lansing to rally against the legislation that prohibits requiring nonunion employees to financially support unions at their workplace.

Earlier in the day, two state school districts closed after hundreds of teachers called out, presumably to join the protests. 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/teachers-call-out-as-protests-rev-up-against-michigan-union-bill/#ixzz2EmZkc1RK
Title: Congress Readies $60 Billion Sandy Bailout
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/congress-readies-60-billion-sandy-bailout (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/congress-readies-60-billion-sandy-bailout)

I don't get this.

Aren't people insured?

Why do we all have to pay for storm in east?

This is fucin communism.

Suck money outa everyone to give to states.


feds are not able to do this under constitution

communism!!
Title: Re: Congress Readies $60 Billion Sandy Bailout
Post by: avxo on December 11, 2012, 02:06:57 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/congress-readies-60-billion-sandy-bailout (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/congress-readies-60-billion-sandy-bailout)

I don't get this.

Aren't people insured?

Why do we all have to pay for storm in east?

This is fucin communism.

Suck money outa everyone to give to states.


feds are not able to do this under constitution

communism!!

It depends on what is being "bailed out". If the money goes to repair damaged Government infrastructure or property that the Government is charged with maintaining on behalf of the public, then that's fine. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I just don't know the specifics and don't consider breitbart a credible enough source to use in forming an opinion on the propriety of this "bailout."

But it was fun "reading" your nonsensical, incoherent and grammatically flawed ramblings. Can you color the text red and green next time? You know, in keeping with the Christmas spirit!
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
mass production of housing parts that are interchangible in factories would make those latinos 20x as productive

 ;D

primemassager, governmetn stats are mostly lies btw, cite some private studies
Title: Re: Auto Bailout Loss Could Exceed $70 Billion
Post by: Mr.1derful on December 11, 2012, 03:44:36 PM
This is why the Government should have let GM go through a conventional bankruptcy, instead of a bailout using taxpayer money.   This is not the free market at work.  Companies will not learn to manage themselves better if they have the reassurance that the Government will be there to bail them out.  GM should have been forced to sell off more assets if need be, in order to subsidize themselves.  How many airlines have gone bankrupt, but are still around?  Everyone was so afraid if the Government did not intervene, but we'll be worse for it in the end.  We should have let GM and Chryser fail and restructure.  Why support a non viable business destined to lose money in perpetuity? 
Title: Re: Auto Bailout Loss Could Exceed $70 Billion
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 03:54:15 PM
Id privatize schools and let bad ones go outa biz too.

john allison says AIg coulda taken the hit without bankruptcy
Title: Re: 'THERE WILL BE BLOOD': Dem Makes Vow as Mich. Passes Right-to-Work Law
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
'THERE WILL BE BLOOD':
Dem Makes Vow as Mich. Passes Right-to-Work Law

 ;D

unions are the enemy, they use government and not bargaining pwoer to screw everyone

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/teachers-call-out-as-protests-rev-up-against-michigan-union-bill/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/teachers-call-out-as-protests-rev-up-against-michigan-union-bill/)

I have worked both union and non-union positions. There was much less strife for all employees in union positions. People seemed to get on better and there was less complaining on all sides.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
mass production of housing parts that are interchangible in factories would make those latinos 20x as productive

 ;D

primemassager, governmetn stats are mostly lies btw, cite some private studies

You being of the mind that you are, of course you would think this. As if private studies don't have an agenda and cannot be manipulated.....get real!
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
You being of the mind that you are, of course you would think this. As if private studies don't have an agenda and cannot be manipulated.....get real!

Can you concieve the reverse? or must i spell it out for you?
Title: Democrats get this: All news TV aside from fox is hardcore commy
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 07:13:14 PM
Get this though your heads.

Fox news is slightly communist and way too much bible.

Fox is more commy than the avg american.

www.lewrockwell.org
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2012, 07:18:52 PM
Can you concieve the reverse? or must i spell it out for you?

There are sources to support whatever opinion one chooses to have. I am not much on conspiracy theories. Having worked in government related position I have some idea of all the checks and balances there are which work to prevent data manipulation. However, I will concede that human error exists regardless of whether the data gathering is done privately or publicly. This is probably more than you would concede. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be very single minded in your posts. I don't expect you to look at these things objectively. Unfortunately, you have a lot of company.
Title: Is it legal for the feds to tax all 50 states, then give billions to CA 4 train?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
This would seem to make it easy to bleed red states dry and let blue state overspenders run wild and give msot of bill to red states.


What the hell????

I can't believe this is constitutional.


you know as usual all the democrat cronies are going to end up with the land owndership under adn around the trains and know first where they will be extended to buy up there b4 etc etc.


this is mafia shit
Title: I pay 40% income and 10% sales, before we get to 35% cap gain and gas tax
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 07:43:13 PM
dems

how much of each dollar should i keep?

I'm already kickin in 60%

10%? takehome? I am at 40% now...
Title: Re: I pay 40% income and 10% sales, before we get to 35% cap gain and gas tax
Post by: avxo on December 11, 2012, 07:50:43 PM
dems

how much of each dollar should i keep?

I'm already kickin in 60%

10%? takehome? I am at 40% now...

I very much doubt you're paying 60% in taxes, but if you are, care to provide us with a breakdown?
Title: Re: I pay 40% income and 10% sales, before we get to 35% cap gain and gas tax
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
I very much doubt you're paying 60% in taxes, but if you are, care to provide us with a breakdown?

Dude I already did.

40% from paycheck
10% sales tax
35% capital gains tax
gas tax
tax on phone
tax on electricity
tax on internet
tax on utilities
etc
etc
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:28:18 PM
There are sources to support whatever opinion one chooses to have. I am not much on conspiracy theories. Having worked in government related position I have some idea of all the checks and balances there are which work to prevent data manipulation. However, I will concede that human error exists regardless of whether the data gathering is done privately or publicly. This is probably more than you would concede. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be very single minded in your posts. I don't expect you to look at these things objectively. Unfortunately, you have a lot of company.

You just want democrat party line.
I want capitalism.
Among the things I want are:
end public school and replace it with nothing
end obamacare
end union laws
end dept education
end all forign aid
atomic power allowed, and private
trains allowed private and union free
bigger paychecks and fewer bureaucrats
end to zoning laws and beginning of real mas sproduced interchangable parts housing industry
replace most lawyers with logic software
end to patents
end all pensions
end social security
end all welfare
www.fairtax.org :tax consumption
end the foriegn wars and bring troops home now


i am polytheistic objectivist whos anti israel and thinks henry george is awesome.

I voted for ron paul gary johnson and ross perot and arnold and bush 2x.

:)

that about covers it

you are just a big government spending commmy, the kind usa needs to clean out
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
There are sources to support whatever opinion one chooses to have. I am not much on conspiracy theories. Having worked in government related position I have some idea of all the checks and balances there are which work to prevent data manipulation. However, I will concede that human error exists regardless of whether the data gathering is done privately or publicly. This is probably more than you would concede. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be very single minded in your posts. I don't expect you to look at these things objectively. Unfortunately, you have a lot of company.

So if a respected private lab or think tank makes a study its a conspiracy, but if government burocrat makes a study its objective science and they will publishj results that make lower government spending show as the right choice?

LOL

you are a tard
Title: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
kids mad manners and violence= got shot

kid says hey my dad lives here lets go prove it, they both walk to dad done

guard looks bad

but noooo


kid attacks guard or something and gets shot

lesson: keep your cool, dont be violent
Title: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:34:49 PM
When?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc)
Title: Californians packing up and moving out – to Texas! shit I am considering it!!
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Californias-Population-Moving-Out-182914961.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Californias-Population-Moving-Out-182914961.html)
Title: France's wealthiest actor moves just over border to belgium to skip taxes lolz
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9738178/Frances-Jean-Marc-Ayrault-slams-flight-of-the-greedy-rich.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9738178/Frances-Jean-Marc-Ayrault-slams-flight-of-the-greedy-rich.html)

dems and commies you suck, get a job and make your own money

we just wana be left alone
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Technically, they probably don't have to compromise that much... I mean, looks like the 2012 election DID go in their favor.

What do you consider a compromise?

Compromise on what? In what capacity?
Title: If you work ata public school you are on welfare, that job not be in real world
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:43:14 PM
accept that you are a welfare leech
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2012, 08:43:25 PM
When?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc)

The communists are what they are - commies!
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:46:03 PM
Technically, they probably don't have to compromise that much... I mean, looks like the 2012 election DID go in their favor.

What do you consider a compromise?

Compromise on what? In what capacity?

lower spending by government

lower number of pension burocrats who create nothing

reallocate the tons fo cash in education to efective teachers and firing leeches
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
The communists are what they are - commies!

Stop being ridiculous.

lower spending by government

lower number of pension burocrats who create nothing

reallocate the tons fo cash in education to efective teachers and firing leeches

Ok, so let's take 2 and 3 away, as they are specific and I can not disagree.

what would you cut to lower spending?
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2012, 08:48:30 PM
Stop being ridiculous.

Ok, so let's take 2 and 3 away, as they are specific and I can not disagree.

what would you cut to lower spending?

Look t the 10 planks of the commie manifesto and ask yourself how a typical democrat differs 
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:50:15 PM
What guard?

Neighborhood watch is now a guard?
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:51:18 PM
Look t the 10 planks of the commie manifesto and ask yourself how a typical democrat differs 

The Typical Democrat is actually just left of center... It's the extreme democrat you are referencing and of course they are kooks, but those people only win their districts because places like San Francisco are completely loony at times.
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
The Typical Democrat is actually just left of center... It's the extreme democrat you are referencing and of course they are kooks, but those people only win their districts because places like San Francisco are completely loony at times.

go down the line of the 10 planks of the commie manifesto   


Average democrat is a communist 
Title: Re: If you work ata public school you are on welfare, that job not be in real world
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
You are insane.

Teaching people how to do things is a damn job.

There is nothing "free" about doing your job.

These types of statements are just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:53:16 PM
watch guy ya


If I was 15 or what have you, I would say ok mister just come along.

Dad would open door say whats up.

guy would fuckoff

done
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:54:16 PM
go down the line of the 10 planks of the commie manifesto   


Average democrat is a communist 

If you follow that, then the ENTIRE country is communist.

Cut the shit man.

It's bullshit.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
watch guy ya


If I was 15 or what have you, I would say ok mister just come along.

Dad would open door say whats up.

guy would fuckoff

done

Look, I'm not taking anyone's side on this... But a 15 year old kid IS dead and the guy living DID have a gun and ADMITTED to basically stalking the kid... I mean, look, I'm not saying it wasn't on some level a justified shooting... Maybe even legal, but you can't sit here and tell me that GZ didn't provide by his own actions all of the necessary variables to cause that confrontation.

Without GZ being a damn squirrelly busy body, that kids is still alive today.

Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 11, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
watch guy ya


If I was 15 or what have you, I would say ok mister just come along.

Dad would open door say whats up.

guy would fuckoff

done

You're right about this part.
Title: Re: If you work ata public school you are on welfare, that job not be in real world
Post by: MB_722 on December 11, 2012, 09:02:23 PM
go back to school dipshit.

who can read that?
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 11, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
If you follow that, then the ENTIRE country is communist.

Cut the shit man.

It's bullshit.

Shall we go down thelist? 
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
Shall we go down thelist? 

Look man... I understand what you are saying... But AGAIN... Laws that were not DEMOCRATIC laws have been enacted that can fall under them.

So you can't just say "democrats".
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
he told the 911 operator that trayvon was running away and that he was running after him.

60 seconds later, there was a fight and a shooting.

nobody witnessed the fight start.

Personally, if a fat man with a gun chases me 2 blocks in the night, we never have a conversation.  I'm in fear of my lilfe and one of us ain't going home.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 11, 2012, 09:42:22 PM
that kids is still alive today.


Meh, not like he was going to write Beethovens 29th symphony.
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 09:58:47 PM
I think most of country is libertarian.

The idea of inequality dominates the idea of being a producer though.

People think they can bs thier way though life lol
Title: Re: I pay 40% income and 10% sales, before we get to 35% cap gain and gas tax
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
dems

how much of each dollar should i keep?

I'm already kickin in 60%

10%? takehome? I am at 40% now...

Wow! You must not only make some heavy change, you clearly aren't forking any of it over to an accountant to manage your money and a tax expert to do your taxes. I make a good income and don't pay anywhere near 60% of it in taxes.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2012, 10:13:46 PM
So if a respected private lab or think tank makes a study its a conspiracy, but if government burocrat makes a study its objective science and they will publishj results that make lower government spending show as the right choice?

LOL

you are a tard

Careful now, you are getting darn close to calling me names. I thought you said this is no longer allowed here.

I think you miss understood what I wrote when I said I am not much into conspiracy theories. There are some who think the government engages in conspiracy. I was assuming you'd be one of those folks. My assumption is that regardless of who does a study and makes a report it is influenced by its creators....not a conspiracy, just a little fudging here and there and human nature.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Meh, not like he was going to write Beethovens 29th symphony.

Probably not and he may have been a complete piece of shit, but he should have the option to make that decision on his own, right?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 11, 2012, 10:38:13 PM
he should have the option to make that decision on his own, right?

He did have that option, and he chose wrong.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 10:42:26 PM
He did have that option, and he chose wrong.

Which decision did he make?

Looking "suspicious"?

Going to the store?

Going back home?

The one where he had a gun and shot someone? Oh wait...

So which decision was it that he made?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2012, 10:45:04 PM
There is no actual evidence that Trayvon was the one who initally attacked Zimmerman.

That is Zimm's claim... but... the chance of him ever getting on the stand?  Zilch.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 11, 2012, 10:45:30 PM
Which decision did he make?

Looking "suspicious"?

Going to the store?

Going back home?

The one where he had a gun and shot someone? Oh wait...

So which decision was it that he made?

I suspect (based on the evidence) that the jury will find Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was justified in exercising self defense.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 11, 2012, 10:46:32 PM
I suspect (based on the evidence) that the jury will find Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was justified in exercising self defense.

I would have to see / hear the evidence.

Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: blacken700 on December 12, 2012, 06:08:54 AM
I suspect (based on the evidence) that the jury will find Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was justified in exercising self defense.

what fox news tells me  :D
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: whork on December 12, 2012, 06:45:54 AM
I suspect (based on the evidence) that the jury will find Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was justified in exercising self defense.

Yes but why did he attack him?

Because he was being chased by a man with a gun?

Its not clearcut.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Archer77 on December 12, 2012, 07:00:26 AM
He deserved the right to continue living.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2012, 08:14:10 AM
I suspect (based on the evidence) that the jury will find Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman was justified in exercising self defense.

So far, we have seen NO evidence of this.

We have seen ZERO items showing this.  We have plenty of info that an armed, angry ZImm was calling names while chasing him, 60 seconds before the fight.

So far, the ONLY person saying he was attacked is Zimm, who has every motive in the world to lie.   Nobody else saw that. 
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: Straw Man on December 12, 2012, 08:29:17 AM
go down the line of the 10 planks of the commie manifesto   


Average democrat is a communist 

Bullshit alert
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Conker on December 12, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
watch guy ya


If I was 15 or what have you, I would say ok mister just come along.

Dad would open door say whats up.

guy would fuckoff

done

Just because you were turning tricks at 15 , not everyone is that way inclined.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Emmortal on December 12, 2012, 09:31:48 AM

Personally, if a fat man with a gun chases me 2 blocks in the night, we never have a conversation.  I'm in fear of my lilfe and one of us ain't going home.

What evidence is there that he was wielding a gun at Treyvon while he was chasing him down?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2012, 10:41:57 AM
What evidence is there that he was wielding a gun at Treyvon while he was chasing him down?

about as much evidence as there was that trayvon threw the first punch.  Zero.

But the jury will have that 911 call to use to make their own decision about what happened.  Which party was angry, using slur words, and carrying a gun into the dark while admitting the other was running away?   Which party was running away, according to zimmerman?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
I can say that if you've ever run with a 9mm in your waistband... front IWB holster... that shit is NOT easy.  If you're not holding your gun in hand, then you are holding the butt so it doesn't go flying out. 
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Straw Man on December 12, 2012, 11:24:05 AM
kids mad manners and violence= got shot

kid says hey my dad lives here lets go prove it, they both walk to dad done

guard looks bad

but noooo


kid attacks guard or something and gets shot

lesson: keep your cool, dont be violent

honest question

have you ever had a serious head injury or did you spend a lot of time eating paint chips when you were a kid

your posts are becoming increasingly indecipherable
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
I see everyone is still arguing based on their emotions on the subject. Carry on.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 11:31:48 AM
As soon as Martin becomes aware of the gun, he has legitimate reason to fear for, and to fight for, his life.

Would anyone challenge this?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Archer77 on December 12, 2012, 11:40:02 AM
As soon as Martin becomes aware of the gun, he has legitimate reason to fear for, and to fight for, his life.

Would anyone challenge this?

He wouldn't have known who Zimmerman was.  All the kid knew was some guy was coming at him with a gun and it wasn't a cop.  Anybody would have gone into self defense mode.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: tu_holmes on December 12, 2012, 11:42:10 AM
I see everyone is still arguing based on their emotions on the subject. Carry on.

I disagree... I think it's a good idea of what the jury will be thinking of.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
He wouldn't have known who Zimmerman was.  All the kid knew was some guy was coming at him with a gun and it wasn't a cop.  Anybody would have gone into self defense mode.

It would explain a lot about this case.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2012, 11:57:11 AM
in Florida, if trayvon was 21, he would have been justified in lying prone in the ditch and shooting zimm full of bullets when his ass came around the corner.  A big fat man chasing you through the dark for 2 blocks... yes, you sure as @#^*& SHOULD be in fear for your life.  You don't have to wait for the fat man to actually shoot you... Ya can cap him first.

Trayvon could have hit him with a brick - out of fear of his life - and that'd been fine too.

Trayvon's mistake here was using fists when he should have been using a deadlier weapon to protect himself against the man violating his consitutional rights in a very scary manner.

Just imagine how pissed any of us would be - if we did ZERO wrong, and some big fat hero wanna be decided to chase us 2 blocks with a gun cause he didn't like our appearance - how pissed and terrified would we be?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Archer77 on December 12, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
in Florida, if trayvon was 21, he would have been justified in lying prone in the ditch and shooting zimm full of bullets when his ass came around the corner.  A big fat man chasing you through the dark for 2 blocks... yes, you sure as @#^*& SHOULD be in fear for your life.  You don't have to wait for the fat man to actually shoot you... Ya can cap him first.

Trayvon could have hit him with a brick - out of fear of his life - and that'd been fine too.

Trayvon's mistake here was using fists when he should have been using a deadlier weapon to protect himself against the man violating his consitutional rights in a very scary manner.

Just imagine how pissed any of us would be - if we did ZERO wrong, and some big fat hero wanna be decided to chase us 2 blocks with a gun cause he didn't like our appearance - how pissed and terrified would we be?

This will be the crux of the prosecutions case.  Doesn't matter what Martin did previously or whether he posted thug images on Facebook. Zimmerman didn't know any of that anyway so it's irrelevant.  Martin was approached by a stranger with a gun and was fighting for his life.
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: chadstallion on December 12, 2012, 12:12:58 PM
When?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/exclusive-president-obama-predicts-gop-cave-taxes/story?id=17937679#.UMfDl5Pjnsc)
everytime they have to speak with a Teabagger.
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: whork on December 12, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
Shall we go down thelist? 

Ill admit the dem is communist if you admit the GOP is sucking the 1% dick and doesnt give a damn about the middleclass ;)
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: whork on December 12, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
in Florida, if trayvon was 21, he would have been justified in lying prone in the ditch and shooting zimm full of bullets when his ass came around the corner.  A big fat man chasing you through the dark for 2 blocks... yes, you sure as @#^*& SHOULD be in fear for your life.  You don't have to wait for the fat man to actually shoot you... Ya can cap him first.

Trayvon could have hit him with a brick - out of fear of his life - and that'd been fine too.

Trayvon's mistake here was using fists when he should have been using a deadlier weapon to protect himself against the man violating his consitutional rights in a very scary manner.

Just imagine how pissed any of us would be - if we did ZERO wrong, and some big fat hero wanna be decided to chase us 2 blocks with a gun cause he didn't like our appearance - how pissed and terrified would we be?

Trayvon should have armed himself.

Let that be a lesson to all teenagers in america.

For safety never go out without firepower.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
He wouldn't have known who Zimmerman was.  All the kid knew was some guy was coming at him with a gun and it wasn't a cop.  Anybody would have gone into self defense mode.
I'm glad we've determined (using the substantial amount of evidence available to us as getbig detectives) that Zimmerman was chasing that poor Trayvon with his gun out in plain view, and that we know for a fact that Travyon was running scared for his life. Should make this case a lot easier for the prosecution.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
It's a matter of Martin simply becoming aware of the gun.  Period.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 12:32:57 PM
It's a matter of Martin simply becoming aware of the gun.  Period.
And if he only became aware of the gun after he had already engaged Zimmerman?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
And if he only became aware of the gun after he had already engaged Zimmerman?

I'd say this is exactly what is being asked.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
I'd say this is exactly what is being asked.
Fair enough. My point was that people were arguing like it was fact that Zimmerman was running this kid down with his gun out *cough* Rob *cough*.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
How likely is it Zimmerman would want Martin to become aware of the gun, and to have him become aware of it as early as possible in the encounter?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
How likely is it Zimmerman would want Martin to become aware of the gun, and to have him become aware of it as early as possible in the encounter?
I can't speak for him, but I know that I personally don't want anyone to become aware of my firearm until I'm ready to use it. And I'm not going to use it unless I intend to kill someone.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
I can't speak for him, but I know that I personally don't want anyone to become aware of my firearm until I'm ready to use it. And I'm not going to use it unless I intend to kill someone.

think about the type of man that called 911 because of potholes and because garages were left open.

think about the type of man that carries a gun while working neighborhood watch.

previous assault felony charge on law enforcement, previous problems with alcohol, domestic abuse charge...

sounds like the type of hotshot who woudl'nt walk into a fight without a gun very clear.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
I can't speak for him, but I know that I personally don't want anyone to become aware of my firearm until I'm ready to use it. And I'm not going to use it unless I intend to kill someone.

Do you think a typical person would be more likely to abandon the thought of making aggressive movements if he were under the threat of being shot?
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 01:18:41 PM
Do you think a typical person would be more likely to abandon the thought of making aggressive movements if he were under the threat of being shot?
Depends on the type of person. I know some people that will head right for the guy pointing the gun at them (I've witnessed this a couple times actually), and some that would run screaming, and some that would literally just freeze up in fear.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 01:19:54 PM
think about the type of man that called 911 because of potholes and because garages were left open.

think about the type of man that carries a gun while working neighborhood watch.

previous assault felony charge on law enforcement, previous problems with alcohol, domestic abuse charge...

sounds like the type of hotshot who woudl'nt walk into a fight without a gun very clear.
I'm not doing this again with you Rob. You're taking shots in the dark, and that's fine, but don't try and pass your leaps of logic off as facts.
Title: Re: Hey call me crazy but treyvon martin got what he deserved.
Post by: Jack T. Cross on December 12, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Just to put things clear, so we don't get off track, we're temporarily setting aside any possibility that Martin would have likely become aware of the gun through means other than Zimmerman purposely making him aware of it.

Depends on the type of person. I know some people that will head right for the guy pointing the gun at them (I've witnessed this a couple times actually), and some that would run screaming, and some that would literally just freeze up in fear.

Myself, I'd say it is widely held that a person's behavior would be more easily manipulated if that person were under the direction of someone with a gun, versus someone without a gun.

Given Zimmerman's apparent objective at that time, and conceivably far more so in a direct encounter, it would seem to be consistent with a strong desire to direct Martin's behavior.
Title: yeah fox sucks, only one to carry news of violence by unions in MI
Post by: magikusar on December 12, 2012, 08:32:25 PM
http://nation.foxnews.com/michigan-right-work-law/2012/12/12/oreilly-violence-michigan (http://nation.foxnews.com/michigan-right-work-law/2012/12/12/oreilly-violence-michigan)
Title: Re: When do the democrats have to compromise?
Post by: magikusar on December 12, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
Ill admit the dem is communist if you admit the GOP is sucking the 1% dick and doesnt give a damn about the middleclass ;)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jXT6JEUHaow/SsgE-y0b69I/AAAAAAAAAFI/eyJ4uxPPkJQ/s400/Captain_Kirk_1z.jpg)
Title: for the dem voters: do you care about the debt?
Post by: magikusar on December 12, 2012, 09:55:43 PM
at all?

I guess I worry too much.

Sometimes I need to listen to the other side to try and understand.

I get that CEO getting 100mil and lower down guy 35k after taxes is uneven.
Title: Where can dissent be expressed vs crap like this
Post by: magikusar on December 12, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/society/family/11-12-2012/123119-european_feminists-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/society/family/11-12-2012/123119-european_feminists-0/)

There needs to be a contervailing force to this militant offensive on men being strong and productive.
Title: Did Obama reduce the debt by even one dollar? Russia's debt g20 lowest
Post by: magikusar on December 12, 2012, 10:16:27 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-12-2012/123106-obama_laughter-0/ (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-12-2012/123106-obama_laughter-0/)
Title: Re: yeah fox sucks, only one to carry news of violence by unions in MI
Post by: blacken700 on December 13, 2012, 05:41:31 AM
20,000 people in one area and 1 fist fight  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D thanks fox news, doing what you do best,making a big deal out of nothing  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: for the dem voters: do you care about the debt?
Post by: whork on December 13, 2012, 05:48:27 AM
at all?

I guess I worry too much.

Sometimes I need to listen to the other side to try and understand.

I get that CEO getting 100mil and lower down guy 35k after taxes is uneven.

Of course thats why they didnt elect Romney.

Tax cuts + military spending= bigger debt.
Title: dems writing laws, upping spending without congressional approval WOW
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 10:40:03 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05)
Title: Victims of Union Violence to Hold Press Conference
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/13/Victims-OF-Union-Mob-Attack-To-Call-For-Justice-In-Press-Conference (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/13/Victims-OF-Union-Mob-Attack-To-Call-For-Justice-In-Press-Conference)

Love it.

democrats news TV ignores violence, fox covers it, and unions should be shown to violent comies comited to selfish overpayment of slaggard workers using lawyers n politican inside deal that they are!!
Title: Obama, fed making you poorer, hurting poor and middle class
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/11/05/todays-lousy-economy-may-be-the-best-obama-can-do/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/11/05/todays-lousy-economy-may-be-the-best-obama-can-do/)
Title: total debt to nearly $25 billion CA is gaming for a bailout, unconstituional
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/13/CA-Budget-Deficit-For-Fiscal-Year-Already-At-2-7-Billion-Even-After-Voters-Approved-Tax-Increases (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/13/CA-Budget-Deficit-For-Fiscal-Year-Already-At-2-7-Billion-Even-After-Voters-Approved-Tax-Increases)
Title: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
Why get outa bed if I get same as everyone?
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: tbombz on December 13, 2012, 04:52:39 PM
In the theory that is communism, people are not allowed to partake in consumption unless they are active in production.
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2012, 12:48:11 AM
In the theory that is communism, people are not allowed to partake in consumption unless they are active in production.

As you say....in theory. Human nature gets in the way though.

My grandmother was an idealist who embraced the idea of communism at some point in her life. She got over it. I suspect she realized that she wouldn't be able farm out her kids and spend every summer vacationing and visiting her family in Brittany, France if she really was a Communist. She also gave up Catholicism for a number of years, instead embracing the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, but she returned to the fold before she died.
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2012, 12:49:01 AM
Why get outa bed if I get same as everyone?

Exactly! I think you should stay in bed.
Title: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 01:10:18 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/Obama-golfs-Marthas-Vineyard-increasing-personal-debt-ceiling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/Obama-golfs-Marthas-Vineyard-increasing-personal-debt-ceiling.html)
Title: Companies Brace for ObamaCare Tax
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 01:17:10 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/13/medical-companies-brace-for-devastating-obamacare-tax-prepare-for-layoffs/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/13/medical-companies-brace-for-devastating-obamacare-tax-prepare-for-layoffs/)

'We've literally put all of our new product development on hold ... so we can afford to pay the stupid tax.'
- Lev Melinyshyn, president of Uresil, LLC
Title: Bill Mahr - boon or bain?
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 01:47:38 AM
Guy seems kinda cool but wow sometimes is very communist, yet claims to be a libertarian.

confusing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher#Personal_life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher#Personal_life)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 04:25:45 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/Obama-golfs-Marthas-Vineyard-increasing-personal-debt-ceiling.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027541/Obama-golfs-Marthas-Vineyard-increasing-personal-debt-ceiling.html)

Obama could care less. 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: blacken700 on December 14, 2012, 04:47:11 AM
hahahahahaha the only ones who cares what palin thinks are the idiots that watch fox news and the few on here
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: garebear on December 14, 2012, 06:59:09 AM
We know you don't do anything once up ya commy moron.

Unlike you I am good in bed.


Serious question. Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself?

You pretty much say the same thing in every post, so I was curious. Not a flame, just wondering if you get tired of saying the same for, what is it now, four hundred posts.


Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 07:12:27 AM
Obama could care less. 

Its his money he earnt it as the CEO of the country.

Are you a commie 33?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 07:13:53 AM
Its his money he earnt it as the CEO of the country.

Are you a commie 33?

His money?  GMAFB .  He is a looter no different than looter dude from Katrina
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 07:19:12 AM
His money?  GMAFB .  He is a looter no different than looter dude from Katrina

He is the elected CEO of the company called america.

I thought you loved succesfull CEO's.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 07:20:13 AM
He is the elected CEO of the company called america.

I thought you loved succesfull CEO's.

Obama would have been fired by now if he was a ceo of a business. 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 14, 2012, 07:22:30 AM
Obama, nor the rest of the population with more than 2 brain cells care what that hillbilly thinks.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: avxo on December 14, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
Obama would have been fired by now if he was a ceo of a business. 

Perhaps. But that's irrelevant. The question is while he was hired, was the salary he was receiving his to do with as he please, including to burn it on silly vacations?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 07:25:52 AM
Perhaps. But that's irrelevant. The question is while he was hired, was the salary he was receiving his to do with as he please, including to burn it on silly vacations?

His salary for one year does not even cover the costs of airfaire and security for his lavish vacations. 
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 07:27:21 AM
Obama would have been fired by now if he was a ceo of a business. 

No he just got reelected, remember?

The stockholders want him.

Why do you hate succes?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 14, 2012, 07:29:45 AM
No he just got reelected, remember?

The stockholders want him.

Why do you hate succes?

Because he has none of his own. 

Good thing about Obama, he just gave the loser a life plan for the next four years.  Not that his mommy is happy about him sitting around unemployed that entire time.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 07:33:11 AM
Because he has none of his own. 

Good thing about Obama, he just gave the loser a life plan for the next four years.  Not that his mommy is happy about him sitting around unemployed that entire time.

 ;D
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 07:40:03 AM
He got a life plan, we got new "rules".

When all it would have taken is for one loser to get a life or medications. 

Its communism.

No personal responsibility at all.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: avxo on December 14, 2012, 07:46:47 AM
His salary for one year does not even cover the costs of airfaire and security for his lavish vacations.

That may or may not be true; I am not privy to his financial status nor do I particularly care to be. But I am pretty sure he could easily afford "lavish" vacations on Martha's Vineyard on the proceeds from his book alone.

The cost of security is irrelevant. The Secret Service is required, by law, to provide protection to the President and which is completely funded by us. Where the President is doesn't matter so the costs of security are out of consideration. As for airfare, one of the perks of the job is that he gets to travel around in Air Force One, Marine One and fancy limousines. The cost of this transportation is through the roof, and I won't debate that. There is a policy in place that requires the President to reimburse the United States for non-political trips, but it only represents a fraction of the cost. See http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21835.pdf for details.

To be clear, I agree that it's tone-deaf of him to take a vacation when the country is in trouble. I just find it kind of ironic that you choose to single him out and happily pretend that this sort of thing is something unprecedented and that it represents a new low. And that's bullshit. He's not the first President to spend too much time gallivanting about when the country was in a difficult spot, and he won't be the last either. Come 2016, someone else will be doing exactly the same thing.

Out of curiosity, I checked against George W. Bush (for no reason, other than the fact that he was Obama's immediate predecessor and statistics were readily available on Google); He spent a total of 1,020 days on "vacation" in Texas and Maine. That's close to 3 years out of 8: a whopping 37.5% of his time. Were you equally outraged then?

By the way, you will notice that I put vacation in quotes. That's because the President, whether he's (D) or (R) is never truly on vacation, regardless of where he is, physically.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
I resigned from the GOP in 2005 due to W's actions.  I detested him too. 

That may or may not be true; I am not privy to his financial status nor do I particularly care to be. But I am pretty sure he could easily afford "lavish" vacations on Martha's Vineyard on the proceeds from his book alone.

The cost of security is irrelevant. The Secret Service is required, by law, to provide protection to the President and which is completely funded by us. Where the President is doesn't matter so the costs of security are out of consideration. As for airfare, one of the perks of the job is that he gets to travel around in Air Force One, Marine One and fancy limousines. The cost of this transportation is through the roof, and I won't debate that. There is a policy in place that requires the President to reimburse the United States for non-political trips, but it only represents a fraction of the cost. See http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21835.pdf for details.

To be clear, I agree that it's tone-deaf of him to take a vacation when the country is in trouble. I just find it kind of ironic that you choose to single him out and happily pretend that this sort of thing is something unprecedented and that it represents a new low. And that's bullshit. He's not the first President to spend too much time gallivanting about when the country was in a difficult spot, and he won't be the last either. Come 2016, someone else will be doing exactly the same thing.

Out of curiosity, I checked against George W. Bush (for no reason, other than the fact that he was Obama's immediate predecessor and statistics were readily available on Google); He spent a total of 1,020 days on "vacation" in Texas and Maine. That's close to 3 years out of 8: a whopping 37.5% of his time. Were you equally outraged then?

By the way, you will notice that I put vacation in quotes. That's because the President, whether he's (D) or (R) is never truly on vacation, regardless of where he is, physically.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 14, 2012, 07:57:45 AM
Yet that doesn't stop you for being a lapdog for Bachmann, Palin, Cain, Perry, Romney and even Trump.  LOL!!!!

Nice resignation.   ::)
Title: Re: Bill Mahr - boon or bain?
Post by: chadstallion on December 14, 2012, 07:59:47 AM
Guy seems kinda cool but wow sometimes is very communist, yet claims to be a libertarian.

confusing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher#Personal_life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher#Personal_life)
I'd do him.
Title: Re: Bill Mahr - boon or bain?
Post by: Purge_WTF on December 14, 2012, 08:08:49 AM
Wow--that Coco seems like a hoe.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: 240 is Back on December 14, 2012, 09:37:03 AM
Obama would have been fired by now if he was a ceo of a business. 

DISAGREE.

THe fact that any US President is able to keep us the #1 powerhouse in the world, despite trillions in debt, no mnfg, weak dollar, housing market, etc.... It's a MIRACLE.

props to Bush for keeping it afloat, props to obama for keeping it afloat. 

In the real world, such a business would have collapsed years ago.   Luckily, we have a military ready to bomb the shit out of anyone that fcks without our economy.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Yet that doesn't stop you for being a lapdog for Bachmann, Palin, Cain, Perry, Romney and even Trump.  LOL!!!!

Nice resignation.   ::)

Auch so true :)
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: War-Horse on December 14, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
DISAGREE.

THe fact that any US President is able to keep us the #1 powerhouse in the world, despite trillions in debt, no mnfg, weak dollar, housing market, etc.... It's a MIRACLE.

props to Bush for keeping it afloat, props to obama for keeping it afloat. 

In the real world, such a business would have collapsed years ago.   Luckily, we have a military ready to bomb the shit out of anyone that fcks without our economy.


Truth.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Straw Man on December 14, 2012, 01:14:50 PM
uh...since when does ANYONE care what Palin has to say about ANYTHING ?
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 14, 2012, 01:15:49 PM
uh...since when does ANYONE care what Palin has to say about ANYTHING ?

You are posting about her no?
Title: The great lie that Reagan didn't cut taxes and it led to growth
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 01:58:24 PM
never let anyone tell you regan economy wasnt best 8 year peacetime expansion in 180 years

regan defamtion is rampant and its all lies

cut taxes economy grows

cut spending and deifict evaporates

do oposite bernnk n obama and eocnomy take off liek rocket and gov get more tax income from more economic activity and cut spending and by by deficit

just like individual and credit card

fed must also be ended
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 14, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
Well, this post is closed now....definitely not on vacation anymore.... :P
Title: Re: The great lie that Reagan didn't cut taxes and it led to growth
Post by: whork on December 14, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
never let anyone tell you regan economy wasnt best 8 year peacetime expansion in 180 years

regan defamtion is rampant and its all lies

cut taxes economy grows

cut spending and deifict evaporates

do oposite bernnk n obama and eocnomy take off liek rocket and gov get more tax income from more economic activity and cut spending and by by deficit

just like individual and credit card

fed must also be ended

Yup and doubled the debt.
Title: Re: Sarah Palin calls Obama 'tone deaf" for continuing his vacation $50,000/week
Post by: Straw Man on December 14, 2012, 05:53:32 PM
You are posting about her no?

no
Title: Union Threatens the MI Governor: 'We'll Be at Your Daughter's soccer Game"
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pro-union-activist-michigan-governor-well-be-your-daughters-soccer-game_666554.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pro-union-activist-michigan-governor-well-be-your-daughters-soccer-game_666554.html)

This is unacceptable.

Union thugs needs to all be part of police database and optimally a private security database.
Title: Atlanta mayor gives city council 50% raise WTF we are in major depression
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/atlanta-mayor-lets-council-pay-increase-become-law/nTWSx/ (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/atlanta-mayor-lets-council-pay-increase-become-law/nTWSx/)
Title: Baby talk triggered NFL player Jovan Belcher's rage
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 06:15:37 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/baby_talk_triggered_nfl_slays_iMxUWTwfaiKszh4wGgLjPJ (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/baby_talk_triggered_nfl_slays_iMxUWTwfaiKszh4wGgLjPJ)

he Long Island mother of Kansas City Chiefs football player Jovan Belcher told investigators her son argued with his girlfriend Kasandra Perkins over their baby’s paternity before he shot her dead and killed himself, The Post has learned. Cheryl Shepherd — who was in her son’s suburban Missouri home the morning he shot Perkins nine times — told investigators after the shootings that there were questions about whether the West Babylon, LI-raised linebacker was the father of the couple’s 3-month-old daughter, Zoey, said sources familiar with the situation.


When are we going to need consent form from man to pay for unanted baby?
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2012, 06:27:40 PM

Unlike you I am good in bed.



Sorry magicruiser....I couldn't care less about you sex life. Furthermore, that's not the word on the street among the Hollywood Blvd. transsexual hookers.
Title: smaller number of bureaucrats means more cash in your paycheck
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 07:50:14 PM
This is pure truth.

Vote republican.

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2012/09/28/time-to-cut-out-of-control-bureaucracy (http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2012/09/28/time-to-cut-out-of-control-bureaucracy)

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/bettergovernment/2012/07/dclg-cutting-government-bureaucracy.html (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/bettergovernment/2012/07/dclg-cutting-government-bureaucracy.html)
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 08:14:09 PM
Sorry magicruiser....I couldn't care less about you sex life. Furthermore, that's not the word on the street among the Hollywood Blvd. transsexual hookers.

Prime hows the fuckdoll? pop it yet?
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
Prime hows the fuckdoll? pop it yet?

Idiot boy, there is no such word as "hows" and "fuckdoll" is two words.
 
Really, do you suppose anyone here takes you seriously when you can't even post coherently? You'll need to try again and try a hell of a lot harder. Take my thoughtful advice and don't bother though. Although you are too dumb to realize this, you are a complete laughing stock among real "Getbiggers". Everyone here expresses their (smirk, smirk) appreciation to you for briefly amusing them with your imbecilic posts, but now we've grown tired of you. 'Tis time for you to crawl back into your hole under the boardwalk and die like the troll that you are. You won't be missed here....too bad so sad.

I found this portrait of you for those who wonder how you look.




Title: Fox anchor promoted for calling Rachel Maddow an 'angry young man'
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 11:54:41 PM
just kidding you commie tards!!

she shoulda been though thats some fuin funny shit to call airhead madcow with her basket weaving degree
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: magikusar on December 14, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
Idiot boy, there is no such word as "hows" and "fuckdoll" is two words.
 
Really, do you suppose anyone here takes you seriously when you can't even post coherently? You'll need to try again and try a hell of a lot harder. Take my thoughtful advice and don't bother though. Although you are too dumb to realize this, you are a complete laughing stock among real "Getbiggers". Everyone here expresses their (smirk, smirk) appreciation to you for briefly amusing them with your imbecilic posts, but now we've grown tired of you. 'Tis time for you to crawl back into your hole under the boardwalk and die like the troll that you are. You won't be missed here....too bad so sad.

I found this portrait of you for those who wonder how you look.







(http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/read-a-book.jpg)
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 14, 2012, 11:59:07 PM

(http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/read-a-book.jpg)

Great idea! I think you should do that right now.
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:05:31 AM
Great idea! I think you should do that right now.

lol

no my friend you should read a couple dozen lol!!!
Title: democrats: win 1 pres election, after historic ass kicking in 2010, now apes
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:12:59 AM
you commies make me laugh

the funniest is when you babble about the constitution which you trample so badly there is nothing the republcaisn can do worse

obama has spent almsot 10 irq wars worth of money and put on tab

wow
Title: almost all engineers are reublican, the real applied intellects, funny eh
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:16:33 AM
and how many women and minorities percentage wise are engineers, once you take out government free money scholarips forcing them in

like 0
Title: Jindal: Oral Contraceptives Should Be Available Over the Counter
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:17:16 AM
jindal is the man for saying this

awesome

I hope he stays republican.

must fight groupthink

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oral-contraceptive-jindal-purchase/2012/12/14/id/467791 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oral-contraceptive-jindal-purchase/2012/12/14/id/467791)
Title: Re: Jindal: Oral Contraceptives Should Be Available Over the Counter
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 15, 2012, 12:20:57 AM
Hundreds of tons of birth control should be dropped from cargo planes in cities around the country.
Title: Re: Fox anchor promoted for calling Rachel Maddow an 'angry young man'
Post by: AbrahamG on December 15, 2012, 12:20:57 AM
just kidding you commie tards!!

she shoulda been though thats some fuin funny shit to call airhead madcow with her basket weaving degree

You mad at Rachel brah?  Stop mirin brah.
Title: Re: In a nutshell why socialism/communism/fascism never worked and won't ever
Post by: Primemuscle on December 15, 2012, 12:22:29 AM
lol

no my friend you should read a couple dozen lol!!!

So now you want to be friends?  Nice of you, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, sorry.

Well you are right, I must admit I have been somewhat lax when I comes to reading any good books lately, what with holiday gatherings to attend and host, friends and family to visit with, presents to buy and such as is the norm for most of us this time of year. I need to hit our home library for some good re-reads and fire up the Nook for some new material.

What have interesting books have you read lately, that you would suggest? And don't say Atlas Shrugged again. I already read that, The Fountain Head and other Ayn Rand books back when I was in high school.
Title: Re: Jindal: Oral Contraceptives Should Be Available Over the Counter
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:27:47 AM
i say sterilize women at 12

then require 500k deposit b4 baby
Title: Re: Jindal: Oral Contraceptives Should Be Available Over the Counter
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 15, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
i say sterilize women at 12

then require 500k deposit b4 baby

Couldn't agree more.

Require a $250,000 bond to be purchased before you're allowed to reproduce. 

Positive eugenics
Title: Gun-Control Battle Looms in Light of Connecticut Massacre
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:30:08 AM
scary right when obama wants a massacre

there it is

wow

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gun-control-Connecticut-NRA/2012/12/14/id/467867 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gun-control-Connecticut-NRA/2012/12/14/id/467867)
Title: The strategy is unlikely to work and will probably bounce back to bite Obama, Ro
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:32:51 AM
The strategy is unlikely to work and will probably bounce back to bite Obama, Rove says.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-rove-fiscal-cliff/2012/12/13/id/467620 (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-rove-fiscal-cliff/2012/12/13/id/467620)
Title: Re: Fox anchor promoted for calling Rachel Maddow an 'angry young man'
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKuqI3OCwMkyYlmIGXitFqiSACfvifmMwpuGf_yQkHP5QmQa1S7mSHKAsF)

I hate this airhead, such a miseducated tool.
Title: norquist: GOP can judo obama on fiscal cliff
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:44:59 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-fiscal-cliff-debt/2012/12/13/id/467634 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-fiscal-cliff-debt/2012/12/13/id/467634)

“Obama will be on a very short leash, fiscally speaking, over the next four years,” he said. “He’s not going to have any fun at all, he may just have to go blow up small countries he can’t pronounce because it won’t be any fun to be here, because he won’t be able to spend the kind of cash he was hoping to.”

 Republicans in Congress have called it irresponsible to go over the fiscal cliff for any reason, but Norquist said one of the most powerful tools the party has available is because of it: sequestration.

 The fiscal cliff includes about $110 billion per year in spending cuts over the next decade, something that Norquist said Democrats don’t want because it actually cuts spending, rather than paying lip service to the idea.

 Since 2009, the last time Congress passed a new budget, the Senate has offered an annual continuing resolution because members could not agree on a new spending plan. Norquist said this could be taken advantage of to force spending cuts or at least limit growth of government.

 “Because the Senate doesn’t do its job, because Harry Reid plays politics instead of governing, they haven’t got a budget,” he said. “‘They do a continuing resolution … they still have to vote to allow that money to be spent, which means the House of Representatives has to agree to continue the budget. What they did in 2011, for about a month or two, they said, ‘We’ll extend the continuing resolution for a few weeks if you save four billion dollars.’”

 Sometime early next year, the government will once again reach the debt ceiling, this, Norquist said, is the most powerful of the three tools available to the GOP.

Urgent: Will Raising Taxes Help or Hurt America?

 “It will have to come up every month or so as Obama keeps hitting that ceiling,” Norquist said of the nation’s borrowing limit. “Republicans can raise it a little or a lot, or for a month or for six months. That gives them discipline as it did in 2011 to require spending restraint.”
Title: Re: Fox anchor promoted for calling Rachel Maddow an 'angry young man'
Post by: AbrahamG on December 15, 2012, 12:49:55 AM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKuqI3OCwMkyYlmIGXitFqiSACfvifmMwpuGf_yQkHP5QmQa1S7mSHKAsF)

I hate this airhead, such a miseducated tool.

I would eat the corn out of her shit.  One of the smartest people on planet earth. 
Title: Reid and senate have not passed a budget since 2009??? WTF???
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 12:49:57 AM
“Obama will be on a very short leash, fiscally speaking, over the next four years,” he said. “He’s not going to have any fun at all, he may just have to go blow up small countries he can’t pronounce because it won’t be any fun to be here, because he won’t be able to spend the kind of cash he was hoping to.”

 Republicans in Congress have called it irresponsible to go over the fiscal cliff for any reason, but Norquist said one of the most powerful tools the party has available is because of it: sequestration.

 The fiscal cliff includes about $110 billion per year in spending cuts over the next decade, something that Norquist said Democrats don’t want because it actually cuts spending, rather than paying lip service to the idea.

 Since 2009, the last time Congress passed a new budget, the Senate has offered an annual continuing resolution because members could not agree on a new spending plan. Norquist said this could be taken advantage of to force spending cuts or at least limit growth of government.

 “Because the Senate doesn’t do its job, because Harry Reid plays politics instead of governing, they haven’t got a budget,” he said. “‘They do a continuing resolution … they still have to vote to allow that money to be spent, which means the House of Representatives has to agree to continue the budget. What they did in 2011, for about a month or two, they said, ‘We’ll extend the continuing resolution for a few weeks if you save four billion dollars.’”

 Sometime early next year, the government will once again reach the debt ceiling, this, Norquist said, is the most powerful of the three tools available to the GOP.

Urgent: Will Raising Taxes Help or Hurt America?

 “It will have to come up every month or so as Obama keeps hitting that ceiling,” Norquist said of the nation’s borrowing limit. “Republicans can raise it a little or a lot, or for a month or for six months. That gives them discipline as it did in 2011 to require spending restraint.”
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 01:38:05 AM
Prime here is a good book to read:  http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/GodLaughs/
Title: reid going nuts in the senate, trying to be napoleon
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 01:39:01 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/reid-senate-fillibuster-rules/2012/12/13/id/467626 (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/reid-senate-fillibuster-rules/2012/12/13/id/467626)
Title: Re: Fox anchor promoted for calling Rachel Maddow an 'angry young man'
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 01:46:07 PM
I would eat the corn out of any angery young man's shit.  One of the dumbest people on planet earth. 

fixed
Title: Ron reagan really makes dems mad lol Pure example of keynes wrong
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 01:47:43 PM
I love you ron!!  If only the dems hadn't overspent and lied!!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg/220px-Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg)
Title: Forbes: wait 3 months b4 deal, let Obama stew
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 01:56:17 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-postpone-kick-can/2012/12/15/id/467893 (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-postpone-kick-can/2012/12/15/id/467893)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 15, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Prime here is a good book to read:  http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/GodLaughs/

The link is broken. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Follow-up:

I was able to get to the Arthur Jones site. I am a great believer in the benefits of using Nautilus equipment. I have read several publications with thorough instructions on how best you utilize Nautilus machines. I'll have to check my library to see if any of these were written by Arthur Jones.

As I have mentioned in another thread, I have been on a too long holiday from the gym. I need to get back into a routine that has provided me with excellent health all of my adult life and do it very soon. From my perspective, this past year has been a downward slide from the good health I have always enjoyed. While there are reasons or excuses for my "holiday" it is time for me to come back home again. As has been the case when taking time away from the gym in the past, I always begin working out as if starting from scratch. One of the best ways to do this (for me) is by using Nautilus machines and employing the strictest of movements and a very slow pace....twelve reps with the last couple of reps being near failure, but never to the extent of sacrificing form.

The gym I belong to has a full array of Nautilus equipment and other similar motion controlling machines as well as all the free weights anyone could want. I credit Nautilus with my never having injured myself while working out at the gym. By applying the Nautilus principals of controlled movement even when using free weights, it is next to impossible to sustain an injury from working out, IMO.
Title: Re: Forbes: wait 3 months b4 deal, let Obama stew
Post by: whork on December 15, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-postpone-kick-can/2012/12/15/id/467893 (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Forbes-postpone-kick-can/2012/12/15/id/467893)

When you owe money Magic dont you go to work, make an income and pay it?
Title: Re: Ron reagan really makes dems mad lol Pure example of keynes wrong
Post by: whork on December 15, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
I love you ron!!  If only the dems hadn't overspent and lied!!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg/220px-Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg)

As i said you are very consistent at being wrong.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Title: Re: Ron reagan really makes dems mad lol Pure example of keynes wrong
Post by: Archer77 on December 15, 2012, 02:15:57 PM
Idol worship is creepy regardless of who does it
Title: bloomberg nor menino will ever be president, jokers
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government)
Title: The Aussie Lesson: Less Guns, More Crime
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/15/The-Aussie-Lesson-Less-Guns-More-Crime (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/15/The-Aussie-Lesson-Less-Guns-More-Crime)

also the guy pushed into the train would not been

guna save tons of lives

keep loser homies at bay
Title: Re: Forbes: wait 3 months b4 deal, let Obama stew
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 02:37:24 PM
You let Obama be shown to be damaging economy.

WE are in recession.

Fed can postpone it but u gota pay the piper.

Masive spending cut of 50% be best.

Fire half bureaucrats and end all pensions and unions

then www.fairtax.org fire IRS
Title: Re: Ron reagan really makes dems mad lol Pure example of keynes wrong
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:05:10 PM
As i said you are very consistent at being wrong.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

nah you are rong

you are also as dumb as woo
Title: MY general view of cmmies
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/198/701/K0G40.jpg (http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/198/701/K0G40.jpg)

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/198/701/K0G40.jpg)
Title: fannie freddy and clinton rule to give loan to poor +fed=2008
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
truth it is

you got it

Title: HSBC gets off with slap on wrist, obama crony?
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:43:12 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/15/Too-Big-To-Jail (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/15/Too-Big-To-Jail)
Title: Re: fannie freddy and clinton rule to give loan to poor +fed=2008
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:51:58 PM
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:53:54 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZBhxvQdy8g0/TSKOcFowk8I/AAAAAAAAAM0/EVPPgHCJulY/s1600/memes-challenge-accepted-miss-impregnable.jpg)
Title: Re: fannie freddy and clinton rule to give loan to poor +fed=2008
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 15, 2012, 03:58:16 PM
gonna take an ayn rand before I go for a 3 mile run, bro.
Title: John Allison on the Financial Crisis
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: The True Adonis on December 15, 2012, 04:04:29 PM
Grandpa renamed his cat Allison after the first game of the Season.
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
caitalism works

but communism never will

:)

AW YHEAH

like a boss! <
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: The True Adonis on December 15, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
Grandpa told us that he once sold his Buick for 200 dollars more than he paid for it.  You see, the guy on the farm he bought it from, had lost an eye due to plowing accident and just wanted it off the farm.  Grandpa bought it, drove it for a year, put new brake shoes on it and sold her for a newer Buick and 200 dollars more than he paid.  Grandpa was always a good salesman and new Capitalism was always the answer.
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: magikusar on December 15, 2012, 04:21:52 PM
"As thin as the new adonis"
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: The True Adonis on December 15, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
Grandpa didn`t think too much of Wall Street but that doesn`t mean he didn`t know the value of investments.  Grandpa accumulated a lot of Treasury Bonds and Savings Bonds and used to give them out to the Salvation Army during Christmas.  You see, he bought his first house with the GI Bill and then bought the bonds and watch them go up when the Eisenhower Administration was building the Highways.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 15, 2012, 05:14:14 PM
You must have quite the fantasy life magicuiser.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: tu_holmes on December 15, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
fixed

You may not like Rachel Maddow... but I have no doubt that if she were to talk to you face to face and you attempted to debate her, that she would own you into oblivion.

That is one smart fucking lesbian.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: AbrahamG on December 15, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
You may not like Rachel Maddow... but I have no doubt that if she were to talk to you face to face and you attempted to debate you, that she would own you into oblivion.

That is one smart fucking lesbian.


To put it mildly. 
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: arce1988 on December 15, 2012, 06:17:33 PM
  Good thread
Title: Re: There are no great depressions without government intervention
Post by: WOOO on December 15, 2012, 06:34:59 PM



political board is 2 doors down
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: andreisdaman on December 15, 2012, 10:08:44 PM
You may not like Rachel Maddow... but I have no doubt that if she were to talk to you face to face and you attempted to debate her, that she would own you into oblivion.

That is one smart fucking lesbian.


I think I would still try to bang her...nerdy lesbians are a turn-on :-*
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: AbrahamG on December 15, 2012, 10:44:47 PM
I think I would still try to bang her...nerdy lesbians are a turn-on :-*

I'm with you.  I'd love to bang her.  I'd probably invest in a penis pump just to hopefully stretch her out a little.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
You may not like Rachel Maddow... but I have no doubt that if she were to talk to you face to face and you attempted to debate her, that she would own you into oblivion.

That is one smart fucking lesbian.


Not a chance, you see I am an economics grad, and an objectivist, and austrian schooler, and a genius, and hek a funnny fucker.

We would simply get to points she would  claim are facts I would call bullshit and vice versa.

Shes a party line democrat.

I am a anti israeli objectivist polytheist who thinks Henry George's ideas are relevant.

It would be similar to Tom Woods, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, or Peter Schiff debating her, but without any 1 God stuff.

Key factual points we'd just lockup on:
FDR caused great depression
clinton telling fannie to give poor loans or else along with fed=2008
lower taxes mean economic growth as producers are less penalized and can hire an pay more
fewer burocrats with no incentive to imporve or cut octs means bigger pay checks
unions hurt poor and middle class
public shool should be funed by money forced from citizens
giving foriegn aid when we have no money and are in deficit is good idea
end the fed
use atomic power its the safest
let people build private union free trains and throttle the teamsters from doing anything about it
gays should have governmetn licenses to marry; hek remove this from str8s
to vote you should have ID
replace lawyers with logic software

Things we would agree on:
End  wars
ru486 should be over the counter
government should stay outa your bedroom
so called free trade agreements are bad
bailing out banks is bad let them fail
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 12:19:47 AM
You must have quite the fantasy life magicuiser.

I like reality, but think getting rida democrats would improve it.

(http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/An-Unexpected-Journey-Trailer-Breakdown-16.jpg)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Alex23 on December 16, 2012, 12:23:39 AM
They all work at welfare jobs.  

They think that the propsperity capitalism gives is blood to suck and that they deserve something simply for showing up and exisitng.

The more we saddle producers with blood sucking the poorer we all get despite technological progress made mostly by non government private research.

If we simply said no debt spending we would all feel the crushing taxes needed to spend this much on cronies and welfare jobs.

Since the fed exists and we can run dificits, a politicians dream come true, they can overspend and the inflate with fed and push off the inevitable problem until they retire and leave the hot potato to the next guy.

This is all democrats do.

Peter drucker showed in his books how the modern managed corporation is really the only way known to produce anything.

Marx couldnt see this since they didn't exist until after marx.

They key distinction to make is that not all jobs are productive jobs.

Government jobs are welfare jobs since they are inevitable higher paid than they produce.  They also have a nasty feature of you can't fire the stinkers.

This leads to rot and more welfare jobs and eventual megarot in the form of unions and unions lawyers working with cronies.

USA has the odd feature that we have the easiest life on the planet yet everyone thinks life is tuff and the rich don't pay them enough.

When people come here from north korea its like WOW, or from China...

There an engineer gets $200 a month with phd.

People are simply used to being lazy, and vote to keep thier welfare jobs, but printing money at fed or bloood sucking producers has a cost, its not for free.


Awesome post chief.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 16, 2012, 01:38:09 AM
Not a chance, you see I am an economics grad, and an objectivist, and austrian schooler, and a genius, and hek a funnny fucker.
And to fucking think I only figured you for a "Private Computer Guy" as you originally stated in this thead...  lol...  wow, you're a true freaking internet superhero.  A true fucking Clark Kent lol...
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 02:35:07 AM
And to fucking think I only figured you for a "Private Computer Guy" as you originally stated in this thead...  lol...  wow, you're a true freaking internet superhero.  A true fucking Clark Kent lol...

Well top 20 university is I think the least of my accomplishments.

I guess I take this stuff seriously.

If you don't understand economics you won't get its power.

I make a lot of money in the computer industry.  I want to make 10x more.

As far as the modern managed corp, the point in the Drucker book was that marx had never seen such.
HE had no conception of it.
Marx could not imagine a large managed corporation.
They are the only way sofar invented of producing things efficiently.
Other ways can work but waste tons fo money on non productive acitivities and then we are all poorer with more expensive goods of lower quality.
Reality is tuff but fair.
Governmetn reallocation distort reality so wankers n cronies get $$ they dont earn.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 16, 2012, 02:42:17 AM
Well top 20 university is I think the least of my accomplishments.

I guess I take this stuff seriously.

If you don't understand economics you won't get its power.

I make a lot of money in the computer industry.  I want to make 10x more.

As far as the modern managed corp, the point in the Drucker book was that marx had never seen such.
HE had no conception of it.
Marx could not imagine a large managed corporation.
They are the only way sofar invented of producing things efficiently.
Other ways can work but waste tons fo money on non productive acitivities and then we are all poorer with more expensive goods of lower quality.
Reality is tuff but fair.
Governmetn reallocation distort reality so wankers n cronies get $$ they dont earn.
Top 20 huh.... oh how dare me!!!  I'm owned lol...  

So you take this stuff serious, and I don't?  What because I wasn't in your top 20?

Title: Re: fannie freddy and clinton rule to give loan to poor +fed=2008
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 04:37:58 AM
gonna take an ayn rand before I go for a 3 mile run, bro.

you mean a le bron

a mean one
Title: Now we see why Hitlery sick: won't testify at Bhengazi hearings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 05:11:34 AM
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/12/15/clinton_wont_testify_on_benghazi_due_to_illness (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/12/15/clinton_wont_testify_on_benghazi_due_to_illness)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 05:17:31 AM
top 20 is rated by us news and world report not me
Title: Congress quesions EPA admin about using psuedo emails
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 05:19:02 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressmen-confront-epa-administrator-lisa-jackson-over-use-alias-richard-windsor_666623.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressmen-confront-epa-administrator-lisa-jackson-over-use-alias-richard-windsor_666623.html)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 16, 2012, 05:41:05 AM
top 20 is rated by us news and world report not me
how special for you ::) I give a crap.
Title: Re: Now we see why Hitlery sick: won't testify at Bhengazi hearings
Post by: Mr.1derful on December 16, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/12/15/clinton_wont_testify_on_benghazi_due_to_illness (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/12/15/clinton_wont_testify_on_benghazi_due_to_illness)

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Now we see why Hitlery sick: won't testify at Bhengazi hearings
Post by: 240 is Back on December 16, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
everyone knew she'd find a way to avoid testifying.   Patraeus and her BOTH said they'd testify.  They never will.

Is anyone here surprised?
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
how special for you ::) I give a crap.

Well the cool part is freebsd, opensolaris, linux, LAMP, tomcat,  tcl and bash are free.

You can learn them

Thats how I make my money.

Self taught to 6 fig net worth.
Title: why not atomic power or mass produced housing plans?
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
Why not bring troops home?
And allow private trains union free? and enviro goon free?
Title: Whats the haps on fast n furious? holder gone yet?
Post by: magikusar on December 16, 2012, 02:28:56 PM
havent been following
Title: Re: Whats the haps on fast n furious? holder gone yet?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 16, 2012, 02:52:47 PM
Issa promised prosecution.   Obama classified some documents.  Investigation never went anywhere.

It's a non-issue these days, cause repubs won't make it an issue.  They should be yelling about it, but they're not.
Title: Re: Whats the haps on fast n furious? holder gone yet?
Post by: Straw Man on December 16, 2012, 03:28:33 PM
havent been following

This board seems to have turned into a dumping ground where you post every random thought that pops into your head
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: andreisdaman on December 16, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
I'm with you.  I'd love to bang her.  I'd probably invest in a penis pump just to hopefully stretch her out a little.

awesome!!!
Title: second term looks like a stinker for obumma, senate in 2014 gor repub
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:06:52 AM
get senate in 2014 and then get christie in to clean shit out
Title: Re: John Allison on the Financial Crisis
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:20:47 AM
"as stupid as woo"
Title: any massive gathering of students should have armed supervisors
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:22:13 AM
crazies love schools n sport events to do crazy shit

mobs need armed supervisors

commies hating guns allowed mosnters like this to act and not be killed before they run amok

democrats are to blame, the blasted commies
Title: Re: tax policy of the USA
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:24:13 AM
awesome

tax unions
Title: Re: any massive gathering of students should have armed supervisors
Post by: garebear on December 17, 2012, 02:45:53 AM
Your English is borderline incomprehensible. It's like a bad translation from another language.

You should really do something about it.

Title: Re: any massive gathering of students should have armed supervisors
Post by: anabolichalo on December 17, 2012, 04:53:21 AM
why do things like this happen often

i think because it's glorified too much and punished too little

if they didnt give these morons such media attention and let savage cops rape their ass then execute them on the side of the road this would not be common
Title: Re: any massive gathering of students should have armed supervisors
Post by: Al Doggity on December 17, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
why do things like this happen often

i think because it's glorified too much and punished too little

if they didnt give these morons such media attention and let savage cops rape their ass then execute them on the side of the road this would not be common

I feel like this probably plays into it. The Sandy Hook tragedy was the second mass shooting last week. I get the feeling Lanza was inspired, at least in part, by the shooting that took place earlier in the week in Oregon.
I'm pretty sure most of these guys are suffer from some sort of pathology, so media coverage triggers their violent tendencies.
Title: Re: any massive gathering of students should have armed supervisors
Post by: whork on December 17, 2012, 09:14:28 AM
crazies love schools n sport events to do crazy shit

mobs need armed supervisors

commies hating guns allowed mosnters like this to act and not be killed before they run amok

democrats are to blame, the blasted commies

Why not arm the students as well?
Title: Obama working on 10trillion in uneeded deficit spending nukking economy further
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 11:07:18 AM
thanks democrats!!

spend money on cronies and tek labelled green when none of it works and pocket csh n give us all the bill

wankers

then complain capitalism failed lol
Title: In any groupog of 100s including a schol should have private security officer
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
its that simple

private security = no rampages
Title: who spends the 10T fed has printed since obama got in?
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 11:19:08 AM
bs fed isnt political is shit

fed is end run around congress spending


illegal


constituiion designed to limit gov spending

fed just spendis trillion and not by congress executive branch can allocate

which means its already political

crony
Title: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 11:20:40 AM
its insane to tax production

instead tax consumption

why penalize wealth creator who make poor rich?
Title: oracle and microsoft and ibm have been obsolete freebsd.org postgresql.org
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
www.aolserver.com www.tcl.tk


not 1 dollar in government should be spent on crapy software from oracel ibm microsoft

frestuff  works faster
Title: how did obama get elected? added 9T to make debt 17T wow
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 12:20:41 PM
media too  powerful feeding dummies bs
Title: 2008 debt 8T after paying for iraq afghan wars to defened usa, now debt 17T +9T
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:31:19 PM
with osama gone thanks to bush efforts

why this debt?

crony spending

poor n middle class being gutted by dems given big credit card bill as cash goes to cronrties
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 02:34:34 PM
its insane to tax production

instead tax consumption

why penalize wealth creator who make poor rich?


I believe there is merit to a value added tax. Mainly, no one can escape it. However, sales tax is considered a regressive tax.

How do the wealthy make the poor rich and why would we want to do that? If everyone were wealthy, then it would mean nothing and would provide no social status, like it does now. A person can be the biggest jerk in the world (Donald Trump) and many people will still think they are "the cat's meow" just because they have a lot of money.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
I believe there is merit to a value added tax. Mainly, no one can escape it. However, sales tax is considered a regressive tax.

How do the wealthy make the poor rich and why would we want to do that? If everyone were wealthy, then it would mean nothing and would provide no social status, like it does now. A person can be the biggest jerk in the world (Donald Trump) and many people will still think they are "the cat's meow" just because they have a lot of money.

then you are a foolish commie who wants welfare
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
then you are a foolish commie who wants welfare

Maybe I am dense today. How are you coming to this conclusion from what I posted?

I am not super rich, but I am in pretty good shape financially. I happen to believe there is only so much "pie" and I am lucky to have a fairly large slice of it. I am well aware that this means there is less "pie" for others....that's life. Even if I can't consume all my pie, I will make sure there is plenty there for the future, even if I decide to give some of it away.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe I am dense today. How are you coming to this conclusion from what I posted?

I am not super rich, but I am in pretty good shape financially. I happen to believe there is only so much "pie" and I am lucky to have a fairly large slice of it. I am well aware that this means there is less "pie" for others....that's life. Even if I can't consume all my pie, I will make sure there is plenty there for the future, even if I decide to give some of it away.

if you want communism you are a commy
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 03:02:44 PM
if you want communism you are a commy

You are frustrating to communicate with sometimes. Where did I ever write that I want Communism? For the record, I think Communism goes against human nature and therefore cannot work. Human nature is in line with survival of the fittest....that is the opposite of Communist idealism.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 17, 2012, 03:08:45 PM
You are frustrating to communicate with sometimes. Where did I ever write that I want Communism? For the record, I think Communism goes against human nature and therefore cannot work. Human nature is in line with survival of the fittest....that is the opposite of Communist idealism.

I think you step on your own mental dick.

A value added tax is an insane communist tax that lets government add taxes anytime anywhere they want.

Thats un american and insane.

You advocate it as if its normal.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: avxo on December 17, 2012, 04:33:32 PM
I think you step on your own mental dick.

A value added tax is an insane communist tax that lets government add taxes anytime anywhere they want.

Thats un american and insane.

You advocate it as if its normal.

I see nothing communist about a VAT (that's not to say I like the concept of a VAT - I don't, but that's another topic altogether). In fact, I'd argue that it's profoundly uncommunist, since there's really no concept of value left by the time communism takes over. But don't let facts get in your way...
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 05:34:10 PM
I think you step on your own mental dick.

A value added tax is an insane communist tax that lets government add taxes anytime anywhere they want.

Thats un american and insane.

You advocate it as if its normal.

Your post; and I quote, "instead tax consumption."

Definition of consumption: 2. Economics, The using up of goods and services by consumer purchasing or in the production of other goods.

Definition of VAT: A type of consumption tax that is placed on a product whenever value is added at a stage of production and at final sale.

Did you not understand the meaning of consumption? It is either that, or if I am a Communist for suggesting a VAT, then you are one too for advocating for consumption tax.

Both are essentially a sales tax.



Title: Re: tax policy of the USA
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
awesome

tax unions

Explain how you would tax unions? Unions are classified as not for profit which is essentially a non-profit. Member dues pay for services (the union employees' salary and benefits), sometimes insurance and legal costs, etc. Since you can't tax non-existent profits, what would you tax if you taxed a union?
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
I see nothing communist about a VAT (that's not to say I like the concept of a VAT - I don't, but that's another topic altogether). In fact, I'd argue that it's profoundly uncommunist, since there's really no concept of value left by the time communism takes over. But don't let facts get in your way...


Oregon, where I live, does not have a sales tax. It is one of five states without sales tax. The other four are: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire. The consequences of no sales tax in Oregon are relatively high income and property tax rates as compared to other states with a sales tax. For a good state by state taxation comparison check out this interactive map: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/89702927.html (http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/89702927.html).

A sales tax is considered a regressive tax. A regressive tax, is a tax that takes a larger percentage from low-income people than from high-income people. A regressive tax is generally a tax that is applied uniformly. This means that it hits lower-income individuals harder. This would be because lower income people spend a greater portion of their income on everyday goods a services as opposed to being able to invest it, save it or give it away to charity.

As you stated VAT is the opposite of Communism. I guess some folks simply don't understand what they are saying when they post and they apparently don't bother to find out before they post either so they won't look like idiots. I think we know who I am speaking of. The person I have in mind likes to boast that he has a degree in economics from a top 20 University...hmm. He says he is a published author too....double hmm.

There are some good aspects of sales tax. The main thing is that no one can escape paying it. There are no loopholes around paying a sales tax. Well, aside from the fact that a lot of folks on the border between Washington and Oregon, shop in Oregon to avoid paying sales tax. Likewise some folks who work in Oregon, live in Washington to avoid paying Oregon's higher income and property taxes. For those living in Vancouver and working in Portland, they get to sit in grid-lock traffic half their lives. Personally, I wouldn't make this trade off....too aggravating.  

Title: So at dinner this guy says Somali pirates were caused by oil corps
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 02:23:36 AM
Oil corp poisoned or stole the farm land in Somalia, so the pirates erupted.

True or green bs fed to young anti evil republican empire mind?

I am unsure.  (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/1/Somalia_pirates.jpg)
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 02:54:37 AM
Oregon, where I live, does not have a sales tax. It is one of five states without sales tax. The other four are: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire. The consequences of no sales tax in Oregon are relatively high income and property tax rates as compared to other states with a sales tax. For a good state by state taxation comparison check out this interactive map: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/89702927.html (http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/89702927.html).

A sales tax is considered a regressive tax. A regressive tax, is a tax that takes a larger percentage from low-income people than from high-income people. A regressive tax is generally a tax that is applied uniformly. This means that it hits lower-income individuals harder. This would be because lower income people spend a greater portion of their income on everyday goods a services as opposed to being able to invest it, save it or give it away to charity.

As you stated VAT is the opposite of Communism. I guess some folks simply don't understand what they are saying when they post and they apparently don't bother to find out before they post either so they won't look like idiots. I think we know who I am speaking of. The person I have in mind likes to boast that he has a degree in economics from a top 20 University...hmm. He says he is a published author too....double hmm.

There are some good aspects of sales tax. The main thing is that no one can escape paying it. There are no loopholes around paying a sales tax. Well, aside from the fact that a lot of folks on the border between Washington and Oregon, shop in Oregon to avoid paying sales tax. Likewise some folks who work in Oregon, live in Washington to avoid paying Oregon's higher income and property taxes. For those living in Vancouver and working in Portland, they get to sit in grid-lock traffic half their lives. Personally, I wouldn't make this trade off....too aggravating.  




www.faritax.org shows that to al be wrong.

Never think in percentages only think in absolutes.

The percentages thing is how academics and commnists blur reality.

VAT is very ve very bad idea that should be met with a strom of violece.

I can only imagine how fucking pissed id be if I was paying 1million in taxes, while some fuck is getting obama phone and 2k a month for 99 weeks no work.

Leeching offa producers is how u slow down economy to limp.

cut gov 80%
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2012, 10:14:51 AM

www.faritax.org shows that to al be wrong.

Never think in percentages only think in absolutes.

The percentages thing is how academics and commnists blur reality.

VAT is very ve very bad idea that should be met with a strom of violece.

I can only imagine how fucking pissed id be if I was paying 1million in taxes, while some fuck is getting obama phone and 2k a month for 99 weeks no work.

Leeching offa producers is how u slow down economy to limp.


cut gov 80%

Your reading comprehension is amazingly bad.  The video you reference, which btw you messed up the link to it, it should be www.fairtax.org (http://www.fairtax.org),  supports consumption or value added tax. Did you intend to validate my post? Unfortunately, the video goes astray with too much focus on the current poor economy and not on the actual fair tax idea. Clearly it is designed to call on people's insecurity, which makes one wonder about the integrity of organization. Have you donated to Fairtax? That seems to be their primary goal on their webpage which is devoid of any facts or statistics.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: avxo on December 18, 2012, 10:21:40 AM

www.faritax.org shows that to al be wrong.

Never think in percentages only think in absolutes.

The percentages thing is how academics and commnists blur reality.

VAT is very ve very bad idea that should be met with a strom of violece.

I can only imagine how fucking pissed id be if I was paying 1million in taxes, while some fuck is getting obama phone and 2k a month for 99 weeks no work.

Leeching offa producers is how u slow down economy to limp.

cut gov 80%

By the way, there's nothing fair about the FairTax. It's a ridiculous proposal.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 12:43:02 PM
By the way, there's nothing fair about the FairTax. It's a ridiculous proposal.
nah

its awesome and would help the economy and poor
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
nah

its awesome and would help the economy and poor

It clearly does not help the poor. I am not sure about the economy. Perhaps you could explain how you think it will help the economy.

If goods and services are more expensive because of a VAT then some folks will either not be able to afford them or they will choose not to make some purchases. Although there would be no income tax, thus leaving folks with more cash flow until they make purchases. Some see this as a "fair" tax because everyone pays, unlike income tax where deductions create a situation where some pay nothing and others pay the difference; namely middle-class folks get the tax shaft.
Title: republican congress means no gun legislation will pass watch for courts
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 01:17:31 PM
the courts are the problem
Title: Weinstein nixes 'DJANGO' Premiere In Hollywood... Tarantino: 'Give me a break'.
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
drudgereport.com lol
Title: ever think what do get for all these new taxes? you know u owe the 20k more eac
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
you owe 20k more from obama

you did nt spend it he did

thats fun!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/boehner-s-house-has-increased-debt-18944-household (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/boehner-s-house-has-increased-debt-18944-household)
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: avxo on December 18, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
nah

its awesome and would help the economy and poor

Even if it was and even if it did, that still wouldn't make it fair.
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2012, 05:37:23 PM
Even if it was and even if it did, that still wouldn't make it fair.

Please don't take this as being argumentative, but what is fair when it comes to taxation? Taxing the rich to pay the freight for the poor doesn't seem fair. Giving the rich a break, while socking it to the middle class does not seem fair. Allowing the poor to pay no taxes seems unfair. So exactly what is fair? A value added tax (VAT) is a regressive tax precisely because everyone pays it, regardless of how much money they make. People who are barely scraping by, would still pay taxes on what they purchase, but my guess is they buy a lot less than people who have more money. So to in some respects, it is probably the most fair tax of all.

Under current tax laws, people who have home mortgages can deduct the interest and points they pay on that mortgage. I think it is reasonable to say that many poor people cannot afford to buy property, so they rent. Guess what, they don't get to deduct the portion of their rent that goes to paying their landlord's mortgage. For the average wage earner and tax payer, if you don't have the mortgage deduction, you probably cannot itemize your deductions, so you are stuck with the standard deduction. There is an inherent unfairness in this.

Currently, if you are wealthy, you have access to other deductions that middle income and poor people don't. This helps explain why the tax rate on the wealthy is often only 15%, while it is much higher for middle income people, often around 40%. -Hardly fair.

I am something of a control freak (in case you hadn't noticed). This is particularly true when it comes to my money. There is no legal way to control taxes on income, which is frustrating for me. If we replace income tax with a VAT, I could at least control how much money I spend, up to a point. For example, if I want a new car, I can decide if I want to pay the tax on a $50,000 automobile or a $25,000 one. Better still, I can say the heck with it and fix my current car, thereby avoiding any major tax bite. In the European countries, which have a VAT, food is taxed at a lower rate than other commodities. This way, all but the poorest folks can still afford to purchase food items and pay the tax.

Whatever tax system we have, people won't like it. Nobody is happy about paying the tax man. However, we live in a world with a lot of other people, some of which cannot provide for themselves and need government assistance. We enjoy the benefits public agencies provide us and really couldn't get by without them. Everything comes at a cost. Part of the cost of living as well as we do as a society comes from paying taxes. This is nothing new, btw. Taxation has been with us forever in one form or another, fair or not.

Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
Even if it was and even if it did, that still wouldn't make it fair.

it would be more fair than what we have now
Title: Re: why tax production? tax pending!!! www.fairtax.org
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 06:55:21 PM
Please don't take this as being argumentative, but what is fair when it comes to taxation? Taxing the rich to pay the freight for the poor doesn't seem fair. Giving the rich a break, while socking it to the middle class does not seem fair. Allowing the poor to pay no taxes seems unfair. So exactly what is fair? A value added tax (VAT) is a regressive tax precisely because everyone pays it, regardless of how much money they make. People who are barely scraping by, would still pay taxes on what they purchase, but my guess is they buy a lot less than people who have more money. So to in some respects, it is probably the most fair tax of all.

Under current tax laws, people who have home mortgages can deduct the interest and points they pay on that mortgage. I think it is reasonable to say that many poor people cannot afford to buy property, so they rent. Guess what, they don't get to deduct the portion of their rent that goes to paying their landlord's mortgage. For the average wage earner and tax payer, if you don't have the mortgage deduction, you probably cannot itemize your deductions, so you are stuck with the standard deduction. There is an inherent unfairness in this.

Currently, if you are wealthy, you have access to other deductions that middle income and poor people don't. This helps explain why the tax rate on the wealthy is often only 15%, while it is much higher for middle income people, often around 40%. -Hardly fair.

I am something of a control freak (in case you hadn't noticed). This is particularly true when it comes to my money. There is no legal way to control taxes on income, which is frustrating for me. If we replace income tax with a VAT, I could at least control how much money I spend, up to a point. For example, if I want a new car, I can decide if I want to pay the tax on a $50,000 automobile or a $25,000 one. Better still, I can say the heck with it and fix my current car, thereby avoiding any major tax bite. In the European countries, which have a VAT, food is taxed at a lower rate than other commodities. This way, all but the poorest folks can still afford to purchase food items and pay the tax.

Whatever tax system we have, people won't like it. Nobody is happy about paying the tax man. However, we live in a world with a lot of other people, some of which cannot provide for themselves and need government assistance. We enjoy the benefits public agencies provide us and really couldn't get by without them. Everything comes at a cost. Part of the cost of living as well as we do as a society comes from paying taxes. This is nothing new, btw. Taxation has been with us forever in one form or another, fair or not.



right, the www.fairtax.org would be a lot more fair, esp to poor
Title: Benghazi review finds systematic State Dept. failures... Developing...
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 06:58:25 PM


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA_ATTACKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-18-21-20-30 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA_ATTACKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-18-21-20-30)
Title: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 06:59:52 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/273421-boehner-moves-to-plan-b (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/273421-boehner-moves-to-plan-b)

This is why republican party is shambles, they act like democrats, rasiing taxes, with bullshti lip service to cut spending later.
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/273421-boehner-moves-to-plan-b (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/273421-boehner-moves-to-plan-b)

This is why republican party is shambles, they act like democrats, rasiing taxes, with bullshti lip service to cut spending later.

They will permanently lower the taxes for lower incomes. Have you read it yourself?
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 07:06:38 PM
They will permanently lower the taxes for lower incomes. Have you read it yourself?

I have read most of www.fairtax.org yes
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
I have read most of www.fairtax.org yes

The article dumbass...
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 07:53:56 PM
The article dumbass...

thats rich tall genius with good looks to you welfare boy, now get back in moms basement
Title: Newsmax Readers: US Should Follow Israel's Lead on Armed Teachers
Post by: magikusar on December 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/newsmax-readers-teachers-guns/2012/12/18/id/468245 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/newsmax-readers-teachers-guns/2012/12/18/id/468245)

This startling photo of an armed teacher watching over Israeli schoolchildren has struck a chord with Newsmax readers who, reeling over the Newtown school massacre, say Israel has the right idea when it comes to protecting kids.

 “The Israelis have it right. A psychopath would have to be crazy indeed to attack a school where everybody knows that the teachers are armed,’’ writes reader Allen Kenyon of Wisconsin.

 “We could easily do what the Israelis are doing. How about some good old-fashioned American volunteerism?’’ adds John Studer.
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
They will permanently lower the taxes for lower incomes. Have you read it yourself?

You will soon discover that Magi... doesn't read!
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: Primemuscle on December 18, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
thats rich tall genius with good looks to you welfare boy, now get back in moms basement

This is his standard reply when he's been "owned" and cannot intelligently post himself out of the hole he got himself into. Not to worry, I have concluded Magikisar is the one living in his mom's basement.
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: whork on December 19, 2012, 05:44:35 AM
thats rich tall genius with good looks to you welfare boy, now get back in moms basement

You might be rich, tall and a genius but you come across as very awkward.

Was is hard for you growing up Magic?
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: whork on December 19, 2012, 05:45:30 AM
You will soon discover that Magi... doesn't read!

He doesnt have too.

He is a genius..or so he says.
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: andreisdaman on December 19, 2012, 06:39:56 AM
He doesnt have too.

He is a genius..or so he says.

maybe................... ....if you grade him on the GetBig curve
Title: Re: TAXES GO UP ON RICH NOW, CUT SPENDING LATER...
Post by: whork on December 19, 2012, 07:12:03 AM
maybe.......................if you grade him on the GetBig curve

Even on the GB curve he falls through.

Title: news for fascists aka democrats: president does not write laws
Post by: magikusar on December 19, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
such an arrogant attitude that prsident writes laws this obama goon has

no

congress writes laws

president can veto but no he cant say wwhat he wants written

obama perfect exmaple of media aided demogogue that congress is supposed to counterviel
Title: Obama Uses Sandy Hook Massacre to Push Tax Hikes...
Post by: magikusar on December 19, 2012, 01:11:35 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/gross-barack-obama-uses-sandy-hook-massacre-to-push-tax-hikes-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/gross-barack-obama-uses-sandy-hook-massacre-to-push-tax-hikes-video/)
Title: South Carolina’s 4 freshmen GOP congressmen face opposition Read more here: htt
Post by: magikusar on December 19, 2012, 01:55:36 PM
http://www.thestate.com/2012/10/21/2489042/south-carolinas-4-freshmen-gop.html#.UNI3fFIoA0M (http://www.thestate.com/2012/10/21/2489042/south-carolinas-4-freshmen-gop.html#.UNI3fFIoA0M)
Title: the fact is guns save lives, google it
Post by: magikusar on December 19, 2012, 04:23:34 PM
google it
Title: facts and democrats: ENEMIES
Post by: magikusar on December 19, 2012, 11:03:49 PM
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/04/12/the-enumerated-powers-of-states/ (http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/04/12/the-enumerated-powers-of-states/)

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Title: democrat aka fascist insanity: 700k for sex change for prisoner, dem judge
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 12:42:02 PM
Judge: State must pay more than $700,000 in legal fees to attorneys of convicted murderer who wants sex change surgery

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/12/19/kosilek/w9i6yDzEdbNl1dZLd2NMqI/story.html (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/12/19/kosilek/w9i6yDzEdbNl1dZLd2NMqI/story.html)
Title: why cant we cut spending to reagan era levels? things were awesome then!
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 01:22:46 PM
just asking

you commies
Title: only way to have bots do all work is capitalism
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
nothing else will work

I can only advise fascists aka democrats:

if you are going to be a fascist be a good fascit

have government money build bots that create more vlue than went into the building

then have bot create unlimited value for poor

try it!!

please!!
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Skip8282 on December 20, 2012, 05:15:21 PM
I don't whose gimmick you are, but you are funny.

Couple of words and half a sentence and you've Prime responding with book long essays that nobody's reading anyway.

lol.
Title: Re: democrat aka fascist insanity: 700k for sex change for prisoner, dem judge
Post by: Primemuscle on December 20, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Judge: State must pay more than $700,000 in legal fees to attorneys of convicted murderer who wants sex change surgery

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/12/19/kosilek/w9i6yDzEdbNl1dZLd2NMqI/story.html (http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/12/19/kosilek/w9i6yDzEdbNl1dZLd2NMqI/story.html)

“Resistance at all costs can end up costing the taxpayers quite a lot,” District Judge Mark L. Wolf said, adding that the Department of Correction has had to pay hundreds of thousands in legal fees to lawyers in other cases in which the department violated prisoners’ constitutional rights.

“The repeated violation of constitutional rights of prisoners … costs taxpayers money that is needed for other purposes,” he said.
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Primemuscle on December 20, 2012, 05:26:28 PM
I don't whose gimmick you are, but you are funny.

Couple of words and half a sentence and you've Prime responding with book long essays that nobody's reading anyway.

lol.

I know. I need to stop responding to this idiot.
Title: democrats, again, congress gives Obama laws, not other way
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
jesh basics folks


basics
Title: Re: democrat aka fascist insanity: 700k for sex change for prisoner, dem judge
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 08:13:45 PM
“Resistance at all costs can end up costing the taxpayers quite a lot,” District Judge Mark L. Wolf said, adding that the Department of Correction has had to pay hundreds of thousands in legal fees to lawyers in other cases in which the department violated prisoners’ constitutional rights.

“The repeated violation of constitutional rights of prisoners … costs taxpayers money that is needed for other purposes,” he said.

This is why I say get rid of lawyers n replce the with logic software.

Lawyerws also have ass backward incentives.

They want to make everyone fight more to bill more..

insane drain on production

this is why no mass produced megahouses folks

too many unproductive leeches in the way, too many welfare jobs which are the same

too many people not making anything cool, then mass producing it so cheap
Title: Steve Forbes: Tax Burden on US Economy Is ‘Too High’
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Forbes-tax-high-economy/2012/12/20/id/468524 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Forbes-tax-high-economy/2012/12/20/id/468524)

 Steve Forbes: Tax Burden on US Economy Is ‘Too High’

Thursday, 20 Dec 2012 10:47 AM

By Forrest Jones
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The tax burden on the U.S. economy is already too high by historical standards and is crimping growth and hampering recovery as a result, said publisher and one-time presidential hopeful Steve Forbes.

The White House and Congressional Republicans are debating a fiscal framework for 2013, with the Obama administration’s proposal calling of tax hikes on incomes over $400,000 a year, with Republican countering with a proposed hike on incomes of over $1 million a year.

Entitlement reform and spending cuts would narrow deficits and restore the country to fiscal health more than tax hikes would, which have the opposite effect, Forbes said.

Editor's Note: An $87,500 Tax Loophole Discovered by Cherry Hill Accountant

“The way you raise revenue is with a vibrant economy. The tax burden on the American economy today is now too high,” Forbes told CNBC.

“We’re now stuck in at best a 2 percent growth mode when we should be growing 3 to 3.5 percent, which we did for 200 years,” Forbes added, pointing out that other developed economies that sought fiscal reforms via tax hikes have condemned themselves to long periods of little to flat growth rates, or worse.

“We see what’s happening in Europe. We see what higher taxes have done there. Japan’s been a binge tax increaser, raising their top rate, doubling their national sales tax, which is why the government got thrown out. So why should we put the same poison in our system?”

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has said he’ll take his fiscal propose to the House of Representatives for a vote even though President Barack Obama has said he’ll veto the package in its current form.

Either way, the U.S. economy cannot handle tax hikes right now, even those aimed at the wealthy, who will put off expanding and hiring if they are asked to pay more to the Internal Revenue Service.

“When you have Southern Europe going into severe recession, France and Germany about to go in recession, Japan already in recession, our economy’s beginning to wobble and will wobble early next year,” Forbes told the network.

“Putting on any kind of tax increase is absolutely preposterous. You haven’t done something so foolish since the early 1930s when every country raised taxes as their economy started to decline,” Forbes added.

The U.S. economy is set to see a string of tax breaks and benefits expire at the same time deep cuts to government spending kick in, a combination known as a fiscal cliff that could contract the economy by 0.5 percent, according to estimates from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Income taxes on the wealthy continue to spark debate between congressional Republicans and the White House and while both sides have made concessions, a deal still remains out of reach.

Still, some senior Republicans say despite the impasse, a compromise is still possible.

“There’s still enough time for us to finish all of our work before this weekend, if we’re all willing to stay late and work hard,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, according to Reuters.

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Title: Boehner: Obama to blame for biggest tax hike ever in USA ever
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 08:47:27 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/boehner-obama-tax-increase/2012/12/19/id/468415 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/boehner-obama-tax-increase/2012/12/19/id/468415)



Wednesday, 19 Dec 2012 03:01 PM

 
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House Speaker John Boehner said President Barack Obama will be responsible for “the largest tax increase in American history” if Democrats don’t accept a tax measure the House plans to pass Thursday.

“The president will have a decision to make,” Boehner said, after the House passes the speaker’s plan to extend tax cuts for all household income below $1 million a year. “He can call on Senate Democrats to pass that bill or he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in American history.”

Earlier, Obama said he offered congressional Republicans a “fair deal” and accused them of “posturing” in the talks.

“I have gone at least halfway” and Republicans need to “take the deal” he’s offered, the president said Wednesday at the White House. “I’d like to get it done before Christmas.”

Unless Congress acts, more than $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts will begin next month. Boehner is looking to pressure Obama to accept deeper spending cuts and a higher threshold for rate increases by showing how tough it will be to win Republican support for any tax increase.

Boehner took no questions from reporters after making his statement.

Obama said his plan is “as large a piece of deficit reduction as we’ve seen in 20 years” and would stabilize the federal debt for a decade. He said the proposals he and House Speaker John Boehner have advanced are “pretty close.”

Obama Veto

Obama spokesman Dan Pfeiffer said the president would veto Boehner’s tax proposal in the “unlikely event” Congress passed it.

“Millionaires would see a tax break of $50,000, while eliminating tax cuts that 25 million students and families struggling to make ends meet depend on,” Pfeiffer said in a statement. The plan would “deeply” cut Medicare, he said, adding that the president would veto it “in the unlikely event” the measure passed Congress.

Boehner’s “Plan B” would raise tax rates on annual income exceeding $1 million, rather than the $400,000 threshold the president proposed in his latest offer. It would be “dead on arrival in the Senate,” said Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer of New York.

No talks have occurred between the White House and congressional Republicans since Boehner and Obama met Dec. 17, administration officials said in a background briefing for reporters.

‘Bizarre and Irrational’

Brendan Buck, a Boehner spokesman, said the White House’s opposition to Boehner’s plan “is growing more bizarre and irrational by the day.” In an e-mailed statement, Buck said if Democrats “disapprove of this bill, then there is a simple solution: Amend it in the Senate and send it back to the House.”

Putting Republicans on record in support of a higher rate for some top earners might insulate Boehner and his party from blame if no deal is reached and taxes rise starting Jan. 1 as part of the so-called fiscal cliff.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said Wednesday that Obama has squandered the chance to craft a broader solution with Republicans.

“Speaker Boehner, like me, would like to prevent a tax hike on everyone,” McConnell said on the Senate floor. “But given the president’s failure to act, the House will soon vote on legislation to prevent a tax hike on anyone making less than a million dollars a year, rather than letting taxes go up on every American taxpayer.”

Debt Limit

Obama also said today he won’t negotiate on whether to raise the federal debt limit, which the U.S. is projected to reach as early as mid-February.

“I’ve put forward a very clear principle: I will not negotiate around the debt ceiling,” he said. “We’re not going to play the same game that we saw happen” in 2011. That debate, resulting in a credit downgrade, “hurt our economy” and “provided more uncertainty,” he said.

Even so, Obama’s latest offer to Boehner of a two-year extension as part of a broader deal signaled he was willing to negotiate on the issue.

Administration officials said Boehner’s plan has made it tougher to work out a deal before January. They said most Republicans haven’t voted for tax increases in about 20 years and Boehner will have to push to get support from his own party.

Also, the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform said Boehner’s proposal to let tax cuts expire for income exceeding $1 million doesn’t break the anti-tax pledge most Republicans have taken. The group is led by Grover Norquist, author of the pledge.

‘Sole Purpose’

Republicans say the bill’s “sole purpose” is to prevent tax increases, the group said. “It is extremely difficult — if not impossible — to fault these Republicans’ assertion.”

Two small-government groups, the Heritage Foundation and the Club for Growth, urged lawmakers to vote “no.”

The administration maintains that Boehner’s plan would hurt the middle class by letting three tax credits expire that began in the 2009 stimulus law. They benefit low-income households, families with children and college students. The administration says setting the tax increase threshold at $1 million would let people see lower rates on their first $1 million of income.

Boehner’s plan “keeps tax cuts for folks making $500,000 or $700,000 or $800,000 or $900,000 a year and gives more tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires,” Obama said.

Additional Taxes

Many households making more than $1 million a year wouldn’t pay additional taxes. Those making between $1 million and $1.5 million in 2009 had an average of $167,454 in itemized deductions, according to the Internal Revenue Service. People can use tax breaks to go below $1 million in taxable income.

Based on studies of previous proposals, Boehner’s bill would raise between $300 billion and $400 billion over the next decade.

The plan would set tax rates for capital gains and dividends at 20 percent on income higher than $1 million. A tax already set to take effect in 2013 would push the total top rate on investments to 23.8 percent. The bill would continue current estate-tax rules that set the per-person exemption at $5.12 million, indexed for inflation, with a top rate of 35 percent.

Getting the votes to pass Boehner’s proposal in the Republican-led House won’t be easy. For years, most Republican lawmakers have opposed any tax increases. Democrats have said they will oppose the Boehner measure, dismissing it as a political ploy that falls short of generating enough revenue.

Political Cover

A vote on Boehner’s proposal also could provide him with political cover within his caucus to eventually back a revised agreement with Obama that would require more Democratic votes.

Some lawmakers expressed concern over having a separate vote, as House leaders are considering, on extending tax cuts for those earning under $250,000 a year, Representative Mike Coffman, a Colorado Republican, said in an interview.

Obama’s original negotiating position called for a tax-cut extension to apply below the $250,000 mark.

Fifty-three percent of Americans say the country will experience major economic problems if no deal is reached, according to a CBS News poll conducted Dec. 12-16. The poll showed that 47 percent blame Republicans in Congress for gridlock, compared with 24 percent who put the onus on Obama and other Democrats.

The survey of 1,179 adults had a margin of error of plus- or-minus three percentage points.

Paycheck Withholding

The American Payroll Association asked the Treasury Department in a Dec. 17 letter to freeze paycheck withholding at 2012 levels while Congress continues to debate the 2013 rates. Treasury, which has the authority to set tables, hasn’t responded, the group said.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index lost 0.2 percent to 1,443.58 at 1:34 p.m. in New York. The benchmark index has gained 15 percent so far this year. The Dow Jones Industrial Average slipped 12.01 points, or 0.1 percent, to 13,338.95. The benchmark 10-year Treasury bond yield fell two basis points, or 0.02 percentage point, to 1.79 percent at 1:08 p.m. New York time after touching 1.8 percent earlier, according to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices.

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Title: West: Clinton Suffers From Benghazi Flu
Post by: magikusar on December 20, 2012, 08:48:34 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/west-clinton-benghazi-flu/2012/12/20/id/468552 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/west-clinton-benghazi-flu/2012/12/20/id/468552)



Thursday, 20 Dec 2012 12:23 PM

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Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., chided Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her failure to attend congressional hearings Thursday on the September killing of four Americans at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

“I’m not a doctor, but it seems as though the Secretary of State has come down with a case of Benghazi flu,” he told Fox News. “I think we have to get to the bottom of this. There’s still a very countless amount of unanswered questions.”

Clinton was originally scheduled to appear in Congress today, but she suffered a concussion a few days ago. The secretary has pledged to appear in both the House and Senate in January, Politico reports.

Four State Department officials resigned this week after an independent report said management failures led to inadequate security at the consulate.

“Just because we see the resignations of these bureaucrats, I find it very interesting that some of those were the ones who testified before the government oversight committee, that does not mean that this ends,” West said.

“I don’t think that this should become the new normal, and the next thing you know, four years from now, we have Hillary Clinton running for president when we had this death of the ambassador, two former Navy SEALS and a foreign service officer.”

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Title: The pension problem magic math put in 1 dollar get out 20
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 03:26:07 AM
Every time I think steal from producers can't be that bad I realise its worse than I ever imagined.

End all pensions today.

There is no reason producers should be raped to pay for pensions that unproductive workers never earned.

The unlimited black hole of doctor costs in pensions for people sitting on thier ass is making governments rape producers more and more and they scream when you try and cut it.

They can never justfy stealing from producers to give these votes bought.
Title: magikusar poll: do you think 17T debt is too much, remember percentages lie
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 03:34:32 AM
Think only in absolutes and avoid academic mistake of figuring based on percentages.

Obama has added 9T to debt which was 8T in 2008.

Holy SHIT

he already won

even if impeached he gave cronies what 20T?  remember 9T is the debt added, after he spent all existing tax money.

holy shittttt

deficit will be 30T or more when hes gone, mostly wasted on things that help no one but the welfare job 'employees' adn pension getters
Title: Re: Steve Forbes: Tax Burden on US Economy Is ‘Too High’
Post by: doison on December 21, 2012, 04:42:33 AM
No one gives a shit about a better economy.  We just want to see people richer than us suffer more than they are now. 

It's worth suffering yourself if the people who are "better off" have to suffer more (proportionally).  What good is a "vibrant economy" if the rich also benefit??
Title: This just in: Democrats wrong on every single thing
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
youtube tom woods the libertarian speech I would give
Title: bloomberg needs to go, alrady broke 2 term limit law by having cronies change it
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 12:07:16 PM
financial service weasil is government dem  crony and israel tax money leech posing as usccessfull


weasil is ultimate insider crony outside of soros


neither are capitalsits

they are colectivists using pull
Title: Snyder: Right-to-Work Already Paying Off in Mich. biz moving in
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 12:22:15 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/US/right-to-work-michigan-manufacturers-union/2012/12/21/id/468744 (http://www.newsmax.com/US/right-to-work-michigan-manufacturers-union/2012/12/21/id/468744)

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder says state development officials are already hearing from manufacturers interested in relocating, just 10 days after he signed new right-to-work legislation into law.
 
"The phone's already been ringing at the MEDC (Michigan Economic Development Corporation) since we passed that legislation," Snyder told reporters today, according to the Detroit News. "People are starting to look at Michigan."
 
The law, which goes into effect in March, is expected to impact union collective bargaining contracts across the state. Snyder told the paper it was "premature" to name interested companies, but he suggested the right-to-work law is already changing the view outside the state that Michigan is union stronghold.
 
"They are getting more inquiries from people that we hadn't heard from to say they were looking at us," Snyder said.
 
The Republican outlined other efforts aimed at drawing new businesses and development to the state. But he acknowledged that it could be "several years" before the state realizes the full impact of right-to-work and other policies aimed at helping the state reverse years of economic decline.


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Title: Obama worst president of all time, more war spending and debt spending
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 12:23:35 PM
just destroying the economy


without obama recovery would be blazing esp if cut governmetn 20% as Mitt would have
Title: tax rap and nba salaries to pay for prison
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
awesome shit
Title: reporters whiny at NRA news conference, NRA pissed at badjob by reporters
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 01:04:28 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/21/journalists-slam-nra-throughout-press-conference/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/21/journalists-slam-nra-throughout-press-conference/)
Title: Re: reporters whiny at NRA news conference, NRA pissed at badjob by reporters
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 01:07:40 PM
I think what is needed is to identify if a journalist is a democrat before they speak.

Then make sure news is 50% non democrat at least
Title: are gov handouts hiding the inflation of Obamanomics? $8 milk??
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 01:12:22 PM
SOUR: NYT WARNS MILK WILL SOAR TO $8 GALLON IF FARM BILL NOT PASSED...

http://twitter.com/nytimes/statuses/282004500816998401 (http://twitter.com/nytimes/statuses/282004500816998401)

wow government control methods uncovered!!!!

subsidize to control industry then hide nflation by feeding industary tax money then caliming that price rise if cut gov spending lol meanwhile tax payer takes it in ass, but doesnt feel it sicne fed prints money and it goe son deficit, like leech that numbs its prey
Title: Fiscal-cliff-John-Boehner-forced-to-abandon-Plan-B-after-Republican-rebellion
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 01:30:40 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9759923/Fiscal-cliff-John-Boehner-forced-to-abandon-Plan-B-after-Republican-rebellion.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9759923/Fiscal-cliff-John-Boehner-forced-to-abandon-Plan-B-after-Republican-rebellion.html)
Title: Right To Work Laws: A Libertarian Analysis
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
http://lewrockwell.com/block/block214.html (http://lewrockwell.com/block/block214.html)

Various types of union security agreements exist. Among the more common are:

Closed shop. The employer agrees to hire only union members. Any employee who quits the union, or is expelled from it, must be fired

Union shop. The firm may first employ non union members, but the employee must eventually join the union

Agency shop. The employer may hire anyone he wishes regardless of their union membership, and the employee need not join the union. However, all non-union employees must pay a fee to the union to cover the costs of collective bargaining

Dues check off. A contract between the employer and union where the former agrees to pay to the latter the union dues from each worker's paycheck
Title: If guns are bad, why are obama and bloomy surrounded by armed guards?
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
LOL

BOOOM!!!

http://lewrockwell.com/peters-e/peters-e279.html (http://lewrockwell.com/peters-e/peters-e279.html)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
Most major shootings now occur in gun-free zones, and nearly twice as many since the act passed than in the 20 years prior.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States/t_blank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States/t_blank)
Title: Botched Paramilitary Police Raids
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 02:48:47 PM
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids

http://www.cato.org/raidmap (http://www.cato.org/raidmap)
Title: massive infaltion in prices hidden by suibsidies
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
wow, how deep the rabbithole?

http://twitter.com/nytimes/statuses/282004500816998401 (http://twitter.com/nytimes/statuses/282004500816998401)
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: magikusar on December 21, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
Wow since I am in the box, I guess I shall muse freeform:

Mass produced cheap housing aka living machines with atomic electric grid, waste rcketed into the sun, and libertarian government with peaceful armed citizen and legal to buy and sell with very limited very low cost government with few employeees.

Software replaces lawyers.  factories are high paying job places where herny ford and deming ideas are implemented.

Patents are gone and everyone uses freebsd or archlinux or whatever they like, perhaps plan9 from bell labs ot 9front.

unions are a thing of the past as is government school

innovation is nonstop and almost everyone is a doctor or engineer

0 unemplyed as loads of jobs for everyone and loads of free time

internet is barely regulated and fast wireless internet goes everywhere, and private shipping companies dozens fo them compete with de unionized fedex and federal express

vidoe games help with leanring and videos are made of many scientific and technical subject so you can spend leisure time programming or playing sports

NBA call fouls when pain players are hacked and those driving to the hoop have to make their shots with contact esp if they initiate it

interchanible house parts make erectgin dome or houses fun passtime too

doctor are plentiful and insurance companies are gone, replaced by pooled funds 0 profit corps, one of few palces for non profit

cars are built for human not toher wya around all regualtiosn goen so see some awesome designs including roomy sedand with 2 cylinder engine and 10 gear transmission or continuous variable transmission


blimp deliver goods pulled on lines by electirc pwoer hydrolics over barriers, not needing roads

marrige is dissovled for str8s and is now about love only, and cant have kid without mans consent sicne he owns his sperm

Title: factoris would mean u always gota job u unproductive shitheads
Post by: magikusar on December 23, 2012, 02:02:19 AM
yeah


allow factorie n lawya sgoita job!!
Title: kobe i know your talentles loser who takes lota shots n sux but give dwight ball
Post by: magikusar on December 23, 2012, 02:16:17 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122209 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122209)
fuin fail


16 41 lolz


bird had 30 shots and was 50 / 18 15
Title: Re: kobe i know your talentles loser who takes lota shots n sux but give dwight ball
Post by: magikusar on December 23, 2012, 06:52:14 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hX-SCm8FY6A/Tc2c8ySyOOI/AAAAAAAAAPE/S6-t7EKQm8w/s1600/rabbit.jpg)
Title: Re: factoris would mean u always gota job u unproductive shitheads
Post by: magikusar on December 23, 2012, 06:54:00 AM
(http://funny-pics-fun.com/wp-content/uploads/Cheerful-And-Playful-Squirrels-5.jpg)
Title: despite bhenghazi megafail hitlery clinton is running for prez
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 05, 2014, 06:15:17 PM
LOL

Love it

2016 a slamdunk for repubs!
Title: satan in oaklahoma?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 06, 2014, 07:55:49 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/group-unveils-satan-statue-design-oklahoma-224102124.html (http://news.yahoo.com/group-unveils-satan-statue-design-oklahoma-224102124.html)

(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/p.YA2DGhI3ed_nf.t3LaJg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTcxODtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/407c5c96dd182e00480f6a7067007849.jpg)
Title: Re: despite bhenghazi megafail hitlery clinton is running for prez
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 06, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
(http://images.cpcache.com/merchandise/514_400x400_NoPeel.jpg?region=name:FrontCenter,id:26225997,w:16)
Title: Re: satan in oaklahoma?
Post by: avxo on January 06, 2014, 10:13:44 PM
*chuckles*
Title: Re: despite bhenghazi megafail hitlery clinton is running for prez
Post by: falco on January 07, 2014, 04:48:46 AM
I bet she will win.
Title: Re: despite bhenghazi megafail hitlery clinton is running for prez
Post by: dario73 on January 07, 2014, 05:19:30 AM
Of course she is running.


Most of the american idiots want to be part of making history again. First they elected an unqualified black man, now they are going to elect an overrated female.
Title: hey dems if 11T debt in 5 years isn't failure, what would be?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 09:52:07 AM
lol


with 20% inflation a year and 30% unemplyment

love u dems!!!!


utrter nuke the economy then claim obama didnt use irs to win 2012!
Title: Re: hey dems if 11T debt in 5 years isn't failure, what would be?
Post by: bears on January 07, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
lol


with 20% inflation a year and 30% unemplyment

love u dems!!!!


utrter nuke the economy then claim obama didnt use irs to win 2012!

I've always said that the only way to know if you have a person that looks at these issues objectively is if they give you a concise answer to THIS question.  on both sides, what would a Democrat consider a failure for Obama?  what would a Republican consider a success?  the problem is that no one wants to answer that question because it puts them on the line for objective results, or lack thereof.  this question is a very good indicator of a person who actually understands politics versus the guy who is just a cheerleader because he is for or against gay marriage and abortion, which is about 90% of our voters now.
Title: Walmart health plan cheaper, offers more coverage than ObamaCare
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 11:22:50 AM
Surprise! Walmart health plan is cheaper, offers more coverage than ObamaCare
Washington Examiner

By Richard Pollock
Published January 07, 2014
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New ObamaCare health insurance enrollees may feel a pang of envy when they eye the coverage plans offered by Walmart to its employees.

For many years, the giant discount retailer has been the target of unions and liberal activists who have harshly criticized the company's health care plans, calling them “notorious for failing to provide health benefits” and "substandard.”

But a Washington Examiner comparison of the two health insurance programs found that Walmart's plan is more affordable and provides significantly better access to high-quality medical care than Obamacare.

Independent insurance agents affiliated with the National Association of Health Underwriters and health policy experts compared the two at the request of the Examiner

http://washingtonexaminer.com/surprise-walmart-health-plan-is-cheaper-offers-more-coverage-than-obamacare/article/2541670?utm_campaign=Fox%20News&utm_source=foxnews.com&utm_medium=feed (http://washingtonexaminer.com/surprise-walmart-health-plan-is-cheaper-offers-more-coverage-than-obamacare/article/2541670?utm_campaign=Fox%20News&utm_source=foxnews.com&utm_medium=feed)
Title: Re: hey dems if 11T debt in 5 years isn't failure, what would be?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
objectivly 11T debt obama and dmes ran up is more than rest of history of this republic COMBINED
Title: Re: despite bhenghazi megafail hitlery clinton is running for prez
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 11:51:49 AM
I bet she will win.

oh yeah??

after asleep at wheel during bhengazi and her only qualification being one she married?
lol

Palin would be better
Title: Re: Walmart health plan cheaper, offers more coverage than ObamaCare
Post by: 24KT on January 07, 2014, 11:56:31 AM
How many Walmart employees are even eligible for this coverage?
Title: Re: Walmart health plan cheaper, offers more coverage than ObamaCare
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 01:19:51 PM
all
Title: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 01:59:48 PM
can they?

Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: chadstallion on January 07, 2014, 02:08:42 PM
no.
but they can revise, fine tune things.
Title: Re: satan in oaklahoma?
Post by: chadstallion on January 07, 2014, 02:14:59 PM
there was an earthquake on fox news today. what a great story; the war on christmas is over so this is fodder for weeks!
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
what do you mean no?

why not?

why cant you just scrap it?
Title: Obama Top Scientist Admits Green Jobs Promise Was a Myth
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 02:57:09 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/06/Obama-Top-Scientist-Admits-Green-Jobs-Promise-Was-A-Myth (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/06/Obama-Top-Scientist-Admits-Green-Jobs-Promise-Was-A-Myth)
Title: Retired NYC Cops, Firefighters Charged in Disability Fraud Read Latest Breaking
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/Economy/New-York-Social-Security-fraud-disability/2014/01/07/id/545716 (http://www.newsmax.com/Economy/New-York-Social-Security-fraud-disability/2014/01/07/id/545716)
Title: Re: Obama Top Scientist Admits Green Jobs Promise Was a Myth
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
LMFAO - o-twink owned again
Title: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 04:27:27 PM
Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Possible

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-healthcare-reform-costs/2013/03/20/id/495564#ixzz2plJhRaoz
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-healthcare-reform-costs/2013/03/20/id/495564 (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-healthcare-reform-costs/2013/03/20/id/495564)
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 07, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
No.

It's the law of the land.  The fact you don't understand this is indication enough of how frustrated you are going to be every day of your life with your mini meltdowns.
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: loco on January 07, 2014, 07:04:55 PM
No.

It's the law of the land.  The fact you don't understand this is indication enough of how frustrated you are going to be every day of your life with your mini meltdowns.

In the USA, bills can be signed into law which repeal an existing law.  However, good luck getting Obama to sign such bill.
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: Fury on January 07, 2014, 07:17:25 PM
No.

It's the law of the land.  The fact you don't understand this is indication enough of how frustrated you are going to be every day of your life with your mini meltdowns.

Haha. Oh yeah? No law has ever been repealed, eh dipshit? Prohibition says, "Hello".
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2014, 07:41:44 PM
Mine went up 1300 a year
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 07, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
DOMA  -  ooopppsss!!!!!!
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 07, 2014, 08:51:50 PM
"Haha!"  Good luck repealing Romneycare no matter who is in office.

My reply didn't state that any law couldn't be repealed. Nor did my reply no law has ever been repealed.  My statement was specifically about Obamacare being the law of the land so you might as well get used to it. 

 ::)
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 07, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
In the USA, bills can be signed into law which repeal an existing law.  However, good luck getting Obama to sign such bill.

no dum dums when ted cruz is prez in 2016
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: loco on January 08, 2014, 05:50:03 AM
"Haha!"  Good luck repealing Romneycare no matter who is in office.

My reply didn't state that any law couldn't be repealed. Nor did my reply no law has ever been repealed.  My statement was specifically about Obamacare being the law of the land so you might as well get used to it.  

 ::)

Prohibition was the law of the land too.

And Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation.

Thank you, Bill Clinton, for bringing about the worst recession since The Great Depression!
Title: Re: Obama Top Scientist Admits Green Jobs Promise Was a Myth
Post by: dario73 on January 08, 2014, 05:54:11 AM
This is always the result with fabricated economy.

Current Myth: The Stock Market's average is real
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: whork on January 08, 2014, 06:29:27 AM
Mine went up 1300 a year


1300$ ?
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 08, 2014, 07:19:12 AM

1300$ ?

Yes - and a 6500 deductible.

Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: bears on January 08, 2014, 08:46:27 AM

1300$ ?

yeah whork but that's just $108.33 a month extra.  and Obamacare is going to save millions of lives and make everyone healthier.  its peanuts right?
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: chadstallion on January 08, 2014, 10:25:27 AM
Prohibition was the law of the land too.

And Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation.

Thank you, George Bush, for bringing about the worst recession since The Great Depression!
fixed
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: whork on January 08, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
yeah whork but that's just $108.33 a month extra.  and Obamacare is going to save millions of lives and make everyone healthier.  its peanuts right?


Nope thats not peanuts.

I might have to change my stance somewhat on this issue.




How about the rest of you GB'ers?

Have you experienced the same as Soul?

Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: dario73 on January 08, 2014, 10:58:16 AM
yeah whork but that's just $108.33 a month extra.  and Obamacare is going to save millions of lives and make everyone healthier.  its peanuts right?

HEHEHEHEH!!

You are correct, bears.

That is what the libtards keep telling anyone who actually works for a living.

Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: whork on January 08, 2014, 11:17:28 AM
HEHEHEHEH!!

You are correct, bears.

That is what the libtards keep telling anyone who actually works for a living.



Yes none of us "libtards" have jobs ::)
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 08, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
probly have welfare jobs which wouldnt exist in free market like pub school teacher or social worker
Title: Re: Can republicans get rid of obamacare if they win senate and pres? keep cong?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 08, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Prohibition was the law of the land too.

And Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, a cornerstone of Depression-era regulation.

Thank you, Bill Clinton, for bringing about the worst recession since The Great Depression!

not to mention clinton precipitated 2008 housing shmoosh by making freddy n fany loan to poor who can't pay and encourage bs with fed

thanks for nuking the economy bill clinton!!
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: whork on January 08, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
probly have welfare jobs which wouldnt exist in free market like pub school teacher or social worker

You could use a school teacher.

What do you do for a living Dis?
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: bears on January 08, 2014, 12:50:28 PM

Nope thats not peanuts.

I might have to change my stance somewhat on this issue.




How about the rest of you GB'ers?

Have you experienced the same as Soul?



my health insurance premiums went up 46%.  so about $1,200-$1,300 more per year.

we looked at what was being offered on the exchange and it was a little bit cheaper than that but still a good deal more expensive than what I was paying before this all started. 

and as it turns out my family practitioner (who my wife works with as she's in the health care industry so he gives us great deals, we don't want to go to anyone else) told my wife that he's probably not going to accept Obamacare.  so we would most probably have to change doctors at some point in the future so it's not worth it to us right now to switch to something offered on the exchange.

but depending on how the federal government puts mandates on Blue Cross Blue Shield over the next few years our premiums may get to a point where we'll be forced to get our insurance from the exchange and switch doctors.

and whork i'm not trying to win an argument here.  i'm simply stating honestly and openly what my situation is.  this is a REAL PERSON dealing with Obamacare in REAL LIFE.  not some dude from behind a computer in a foreign country who's learning everything off of the internet.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
my health insurance premiums went up 46%.  so about $1,200-$1,300 more per year.

we looked at what was being offered on the exchange and it was a little bit cheaper than that but still a good deal more expensive than what I was paying before this all started. 

and as it turns out my family practitioner (who my wife works with as she's in the health care industry so he gives us great deals, we don't want to go to anyone else) told my wife that he's probably not going to accept Obamacare.  so we would most probably have to change doctors at some point in the future so it's not worth it to us right now to switch to something offered on the exchange.

but depending on how the federal government puts mandates on Blue Cross Blue Shield over the next few years our premiums may get to a point where we'll be forced to get our insurance from the exchange and switch doctors.

and whork i'm not trying to win an argument here.  i'm simply stating honestly and openly what my situation is.  this is a REAL PERSON dealing with Obamacare in REAL LIFE.  not some dude from behind a computer in a foreign country who's learning everything off of the internet.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 

Sorry to hear about what happened to you and Ozmo.  This thing is an absolute disaster. 
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: OzmO on January 08, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
Sorry to hear about what happened to you and Ozmo.  This thing is an absolute disaster. 

Yeah, looking like the same thing with me.  The exchange is cheaper, but overall much more expensive.  Before exchange +68%  after exchange +50%

thank you Democrats, Congress, GOP, POTUS,  I fucking hate you all.
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: whork on January 08, 2014, 01:25:33 PM
my health insurance premiums went up 46%.  so about $1,200-$1,300 more per year.

we looked at what was being offered on the exchange and it was a little bit cheaper than that but still a good deal more expensive than what I was paying before this all started. 

and as it turns out my family practitioner (who my wife works with as she's in the health care industry so he gives us great deals, we don't want to go to anyone else) told my wife that he's probably not going to accept Obamacare.  so we would most probably have to change doctors at some point in the future so it's not worth it to us right now to switch to something offered on the exchange.

but depending on how the federal government puts mandates on Blue Cross Blue Shield over the next few years our premiums may get to a point where we'll be forced to get our insurance from the exchange and switch doctors.

and whork i'm not trying to win an argument here.  i'm simply stating honestly and openly what my situation is.  this is a REAL PERSON dealing with Obamacare in REAL LIFE.  not some dude from behind a computer in a foreign country who's learning everything off of the internet.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 


Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
Yeah, looking like the same thing with me.  The exchange is cheaper, but overall much more expensive.  Before exchange +68%  after exchange +50%

thank you Democrats, Congress, GOP, POTUS,  I fucking hate you all.

Sorry dude.
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: tonymctones on January 08, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
Yeah, looking like the same thing with me.  The exchange is cheaper, but overall much more expensive.  Before exchange +68%  after exchange +50%

thank you Democrats, Congress, GOP, POTUS,  I fucking hate you all.
remember this at the voting booth Oz, reps may not be great but they are a shit load better than the alternative.

Title: Re: Retired NYC Cops, Firefighters Charged in Disability Fraud Read Latest Breaking
Post by: andreisdaman on January 08, 2014, 06:55:53 PM
Retired cops and firefighters are the biggest thieves :'(
Title: Benghazi Mom: If Hillary Wants to Be President She Has to Answer for My Son's De
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 08, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
Benghazi Mom: If Hillary Wants to Be President She Has to Answer for My Son's Death

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/07/Benghazi-Mom-If-Hillary-Wants-To-Be-President-She-Has-To-Answer-For-My-Sons-Death (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/07/Benghazi-Mom-If-Hillary-Wants-To-Be-President-She-Has-To-Answer-For-My-Sons-Death)

 ;D
Title: There is a revolving door from Wall Street to the Treasury to the Fed and back a
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 08, 2014, 07:21:09 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/07/Rand-Paul-I-Rise-Today-in-Opposition-to-the-Money-Changing-at-the-Temple-of-the-Federal-Reserve (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/01/07/Rand-Paul-I-Rise-Today-in-Opposition-to-the-Money-Changing-at-the-Temple-of-the-Federal-Reserve)
Title: Obama Donor to Head IRS Tea Party Targeting Investigation
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 08, 2014, 07:24:12 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/08/Frequent-Obama-Donor-Heading-IRS-Conservative-Targeting-Investigation (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/08/Frequent-Obama-Donor-Heading-IRS-Conservative-Targeting-Investigation)
Title: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 09, 2014, 01:29:54 AM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/08/213908/white-house-denies-gates-charge.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/08/213908/white-house-denies-gates-charge.html)
Title: Re: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: SCRUBS on January 09, 2014, 04:06:46 AM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/08/213908/white-house-denies-gates-charge.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/08/213908/white-house-denies-gates-charge.html)

So are they saying shooting a warning shot with a shotgun is wrong???????
Title: Re: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: dario73 on January 09, 2014, 05:13:58 AM
Obamatheclown thinks that his words have some weight on the issue.

He can't argue against history and video tapes.

Biden has been recorded making comments against the troop surge in Iraq and many other issues, and most of the time he has been wrong. That's a fact that can't be argued against.
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: OzmO on January 09, 2014, 07:16:32 AM
Sorry dude.

Thanks lol.  Need to get a better paying gig anyway  :)
Title: Re: Congressional Report: Obamacare Leads to Skyrocketing Premiums, 200 Percent Poss
Post by: OzmO on January 09, 2014, 07:17:24 AM
remember this at the voting booth Oz, reps may not be great but they are a shit load better than the alternative.



yeah >:(
Title: Re: Retired NYC Cops, Firefighters Charged in Disability Fraud Read Latest Breaking
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 09, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/01/09/siblings-and-spouses-allegedly-part-of-nypd-fdny-disability-scam


 >:(
Title: Re: Retired NYC Cops, Firefighters Charged in Disability Fraud Read Latest Breaking
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 09, 2014, 08:10:26 AM
Retired cops and firefighters are the biggest thieves :'(

Spirits are more powerful than ghosts...
Title: Re: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 09, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
Biden has a record of blunders/gaffes that make bachmann, palin, and everyone else look like intellectual giants
Title: Re: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: headhuntersix on January 09, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
He's an idiot.....people like him so that just goes to show you how far you can go.
Title: Re: gates shows Biden wrong on everything, OBama goes bonko! lol
Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2014, 10:06:05 AM
He's an idiot.....people like him so that just goes to show you how far you can go.

Yep.  Biden just kept showing up, and kept rising up the ranks.  He got the fake teeth and hair, which didn't hurt things for him. 
Title: Re: Benghazi Mom: If Hillary Wants to Be President She Has to Answer for My Son's De
Post by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2014, 10:44:25 AM
she should answer.  it'll be a pain in the neck for her in 2015/6, but she is probably unstoppable in dem primary.

i bet the other libs will leave benghazi alone in primaries, debates, sadly.
Title: Re: Benghazi Mom: If Hillary Wants to Be President She Has to Answer for My Son's De
Post by: blacken700 on January 09, 2014, 10:49:31 AM
tell her to stop watching fox and she'll get her answers   :o
Title: Re: Benghazi Mom: If Hillary Wants to Be President She Has to Answer for My Son's De
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 09, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
tell her to stop watching fox and she'll get her answers   :o

Typical.
Title: madcow bitch slapped by koch broz
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 09, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/01/08/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-hunkers-down-on-koch-bros-claim/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/01/08/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-hunkers-down-on-koch-bros-claim/)

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1012/only-in-america-madcow-rachel-maddow-check-that-adam-s-apple-political-poster-1291864221.jpg)
Title: IRS scandal where obama attacked tea party won't go away!
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 09, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/feds-pick-obama-supporter-lead-irs-tea-party-probe/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/feds-pick-obama-supporter-lead-irs-tea-party-probe/)
Title: Re: Retired NYC Cops, Firefighters Charged in Disability Fraud Read Latest Breaking
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 09, 2014, 05:18:00 PM
cancel all pensions
Title: Republicans call for removal of Obama supporter leading IRS targeting probe
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 12:07:08 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/obama-supporter-reportedly-leading-probe-irs-targeting/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/obama-supporter-reportedly-leading-probe-irs-targeting/?intcmp=latestnews)
Title: In my opinion Treyvon Martin got what he deserved :)
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 12:07:47 AM
 ;D  :o  ;D

Im with ted on this one
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/04/2410171/ted-nugent-trayvon-martin-got-justice/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/04/2410171/ted-nugent-trayvon-martin-got-justice/)

(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ted_nugent-e1375630600954-555x370.jpg)
Title: Robert Gates’ Bombshell Book: Tell-all a betrayal of the president
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 12:19:28 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/robert-gates-bombshell-book-was-tell-all-betrayal-president/?intcmp=HPBucket (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/09/robert-gates-bombshell-book-was-tell-all-betrayal-president/?intcmp=HPBucket)
Title: Christie a BOSS shows obama how its done
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 01:14:36 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/09/president-obama-should-learn-from-gov-christie-apology/?intcmp=HPBucket (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/09/president-obama-should-learn-from-gov-christie-apology/?intcmp=HPBucket)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bjybitfVCHY/TyGZMtrYo3I/AAAAAAAAIsI/_GkmROP_wJE/s1600/Arnold+Schwarzenegger+1.JPG)
Title: Re: In my opinion Treyvon Martin got what he deserved :)
Post by: dario73 on January 10, 2014, 05:18:48 AM
Of course he did.

He was about to kill Zimmerman.

If you can't pay the ultimate price, don't commit the crime.
Title: Re: Republicans call for removal of Obama supporter leading IRS targeting probe
Post by: dario73 on January 10, 2014, 05:22:58 AM
HEHEHEHEH!!

I have no doubt that she will be very objective and will work tirelessly to discover the truth. ::)
Title: Re: In my opinion Treyvon Martin got what he deserved :)
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 09:20:17 AM
straight up

act stupid get shot

if he had said hey im waling to my dads house cmon you can ask him whats up when we get there

0 problem
Title: Re: In my opinion Treyvon Martin got what he deserved :)
Post by: Primemuscle on January 10, 2014, 12:13:12 PM
;D  :o  ;D

Im with ted on this one
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/04/2410171/ted-nugent-trayvon-martin-got-justice/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/04/2410171/ted-nugent-trayvon-martin-got-justice/)

(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ted_nugent-e1375630600954-555x370.jpg)

Ted's always been a bit of a whacko!
Title: Why Extended Unemployment Benefits Extend Unemployment
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 10, 2014, 12:54:40 PM
Title: Marianne Williamson's spiritual path into political realm boot WAXMAN!
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 13, 2014, 11:37:42 AM
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-marianne-williamson-20140113-dto,0,3826487.htmlstory#axzz2qJDmOHgU (http://www.latimes.com/local/la-marianne-williamson-20140113-dto,0,3826487.htmlstory#axzz2qJDmOHgU)
Title: President Trump? Stranger Things Might Happen Political, social forces make the
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 13, 2014, 11:38:32 AM
http://www.guy-things-might-happen-20140113 (http://www.guy-things-might-happen-20140113)
Title: Obama backer leading IRS probe visited White House in ’09, records show
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 13, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/13/obama-backer-leading-irs-probe-visited-white-house-in-0-records-show/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/13/obama-backer-leading-irs-probe-visited-white-house-in-0-records-show/)
Title: why would you, a democrat, not vote for ted cruz?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 13, 2014, 05:10:29 PM
just list a few logical reasons

I have to try and understand democrats a bit...
Title: 1 reason why obama is the worst president of all time hands down
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 20, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
11T debt with nothing to show

and 20T in spending that coulda created innovation like the 80s
Title: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 28, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
http://freebeacon.com/pentagon-concerned-by-chinas-new-high-speed-missile/
Title: Re: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: tu_holmes on January 28, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
This is not what HeadHunter has told us in the past.

He has stated that the Chinese military isn't even close to ours.
Title: Re: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
This is not what HeadHunter has told us in the past.

He has stated that the Chinese military isn't even close to ours.
They're not.
Title: Re: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 28, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
So should USA nuke china into stone age now or wait?
Title: Re: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
So should USA nuke china into stone age now or wait?

Immediately!
Title: Re: china new high speed missile threatens world
Post by: Parker on January 29, 2014, 12:56:51 AM
The Jade Rabbit (rover) has died...
Title: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 30, 2014, 06:55:20 AM
if dems and repubs allow

what now?

no party follows will of the majority?

this really blows
Title: why doesnt obama care build new hospitals and hire new docs?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 30, 2014, 06:58:29 AM
instead of controlling all existing hospitals and docs

and reducing competition

and raising prices?
Title: Re: why doesnt obama care build new hospitals and hire new docs?
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 30, 2014, 06:59:50 AM
I would like to see a fre hospital for all the tax money going in.

we wont


we will see regulations stopping medical competition and prices up for insurance docs and med corps

sad

instead things should be mass produced and commodified

unemplyed? stop giving welfare $$ aka unemployment start giving job as helper at hospital

everyone benefits
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: headhuntersix on January 30, 2014, 07:46:22 AM
Find a tea party guy running against an establishment Repub....hell a conservative Dem against immigration reform would be better for the country.
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2014, 07:48:23 AM
I live in NY - the communist always wins regardless
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: James on January 30, 2014, 07:58:34 AM
Ted Cruz
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 30, 2014, 08:27:47 AM
The GOP is basically just democrat collaborators at this point. They are pushing for amnesty and attacking their own conservative base.

Vote only for true conservatives. Tea party candidates. Conservatives are making a last-stand push to regain control of the republican party in this years primaries....if they do not succeed, a lot of americans are going to realize that a critical turning point has been reached and that they have forever and completely lost representation in the federal government. Once that realization really sinks in, things will get interesting.
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: headhuntersix on January 30, 2014, 08:31:49 AM
I agree completely.....we're getting to the point that people will actively operate against the federal government. I think unusual alliances will form once poor blacks realize they just got fucked..again. The Chamber of Commerce asshats should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2014, 09:19:02 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/30/Republicans-Embrace-Year-of-Action

GOP sucks!!!
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2014, 09:30:48 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/30/trade-promotion-authority_n_4695677.html


BEND OVER
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: OzmO on January 30, 2014, 09:32:13 AM
I agree completely.....we're getting to the point that people will actively operate against the federal government. I think unusual alliances will form once poor blacks realize they just got fucked..again. The Chamber of Commerce asshats should be ashamed.

will they?
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 30, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Find a tea party guy running against an establishment Repub....hell a conservative Dem against immigration reform would be better for the country.

^^^This.

At this point the GOP is almost no better than the left. I have zero faith in them. I say vote out the both parties and start over.
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: James on January 30, 2014, 11:08:38 AM
Exclusive - Ted Cruz: House GOP's Amnesty Push Will Ruin Hopes of Retaking Senate

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) thinks that the House GOP leadership’s renewed push this week to grant amnesty to illegal aliens would destroy the Republican Party’s chances at retaking the Senate in 2014.

Cruz questioned how establishment Republicans unilaterally caving to Democrats on everything from the farm bill to the budget to the debt ceiling and more could think amnesty is a good idea at this time.

"Right now, Republican leadership in both chambers is aggressively urging members to stand down on virtually every front: on the continuing resolution, on the budget, on the farm bill, on the debt ceiling,” Cruz said in a statement provided exclusively to Breitbart News on Thursday.

He continued:

    They may or may not be right, but their argument is that we should focus exclusively on Obamacare and on jobs. In that context, why on earth would the House dive into immigration right now? It makes no sense, unless you're Harry Reid. Republicans are poised for an historic election this fall--a conservative tidal wave much like 2010. The biggest thing we could do to mess that up would be if the House passed an amnesty bill--or any bill perceived as an amnesty bill--that demoralized voters going into November. Rather than responding to the big-money lobbying on K Street, we need to make sure working-class Americans show up by the millions to reject Obamacare and vote out the Democrats. Amnesty will ensure they stay home.

Cruz added that granting amnesty now--while wrong in his opinion at any time--would ensure Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid remains in his position in after the 2014 elections.

"Amnesty is wrong in any circumstance, and if we are going to fix our broken immigration system--and we should--it makes much more sense to do so next year, so that we are negotiating a responsible solution with a Republican Senate majority rather than with Chuck Schumer,” Cruz said. “Anyone pushing an amnesty bill right now should go ahead and put a 'Harry Reid for Majority Leader' bumper sticker on their car, because that will be the likely effect if Republicans refuse to listen to the American people and foolishly change the subject from Obamacare to amnesty.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/30/Exclusive-Ted-Cruz-House-GOP-leadership-s-amnesty-plan-would-destroy-chances-at-retaking-Senate-this-year?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 30, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
Exclusive - Ted Cruz: House GOP's Amnesty Push Will Ruin Hopes of Retaking Senate

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) thinks that the House GOP leadership’s renewed push this week to grant amnesty to illegal aliens would destroy the Republican Party’s chances at retaking the Senate in 2014.

Cruz questioned how establishment Republicans unilaterally caving to Democrats on everything from the farm bill to the budget to the debt ceiling and more could think amnesty is a good idea at this time.

"Right now, Republican leadership in both chambers is aggressively urging members to stand down on virtually every front: on the continuing resolution, on the budget, on the farm bill, on the debt ceiling,” Cruz said in a statement provided exclusively to Breitbart News on Thursday.

He continued:

    They may or may not be right, but their argument is that we should focus exclusively on Obamacare and on jobs. In that context, why on earth would the House dive into immigration right now? It makes no sense, unless you're Harry Reid. Republicans are poised for an historic election this fall--a conservative tidal wave much like 2010. The biggest thing we could do to mess that up would be if the House passed an amnesty bill--or any bill perceived as an amnesty bill--that demoralized voters going into November. Rather than responding to the big-money lobbying on K Street, we need to make sure working-class Americans show up by the millions to reject Obamacare and vote out the Democrats. Amnesty will ensure they stay home.

Cruz added that granting amnesty now--while wrong in his opinion at any time--would ensure Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid remains in his position in after the 2014 elections.

"Amnesty is wrong in any circumstance, and if we are going to fix our broken immigration system--and we should--it makes much more sense to do so next year, so that we are negotiating a responsible solution with a Republican Senate majority rather than with Chuck Schumer,” Cruz said. “Anyone pushing an amnesty bill right now should go ahead and put a 'Harry Reid for Majority Leader' bumper sticker on their car, because that will be the likely effect if Republicans refuse to listen to the American people and foolishly change the subject from Obamacare to amnesty.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/30/Exclusive-Ted-Cruz-House-GOP-leadership-s-amnesty-plan-would-destroy-chances-at-retaking-Senate-this-year?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Everything he said is true. What the GOP is doing right now makes no logical sense, esp considering it will be suicide for themselves. Really strange, frightening times going on right now. They are literally selling out the whole nation, and ensuring their own demise. It just doesn't make any sense
Title: Re: Who do I vote for if I am against illegal immigration and clemency? repubs allow
Post by: James on January 30, 2014, 02:16:39 PM
"Amnesty is wrong in any circumstance" -Ted Cruz
Title: rahm wants taxpayer backed free 900M wtf dems just looting the usa
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 05, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-emanuel-seeks-to-borrow-900-million-20140203,0,1659900.story
Title: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 05, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/immigration-groups-unions-push-obama-suspend-deportations-8-million
Title: Re: rahm wants taxpayer backed free 900M wtf dems just looting the usa
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 05, 2014, 10:54:50 AM
Tell Rahm to just take it out of the billions in tax dollars we send to his home country every year ::)
this guy is such a prick
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: dario73 on February 05, 2014, 11:00:35 AM
That is an excellent plan, temple.

I only suggest one amendment. That all libtards, leeches, and union traitors be sent packing with them.  Boehner, Cantor and McCain should be strapped to the landing gear. It would be a bumpy landing for the criminals.

Yes. Anyone who crosses the border illegaly is a CRIMINAL despite what that disgusting, fat, puerto rican pig of the Supreme Court says. Libtards act like the only crime those people commit is crossing the border. What about the fraud they commit by having fake or stolen social security numbers, car insurance fraud and 50 people to an apartment or house?

And before anyone calls me a racist, I will mention that my mother was a Boricua.

No one should be above the current immigration law and criminal behavior SHOULD NEVER BE REWARDED.
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: blacken700 on February 05, 2014, 11:04:05 AM
I say we have an 800 year old man build a boat and sail them away  :D
Title: obama has added 11T not 6T to debt
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 05, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
on 20T overspending

2008 debt 8T

dont let dems lie and say the first 5T was in bushs last month it wasnt

all paid under obama who coulda stopped it
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: dario73 on February 05, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime.  But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.

Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds.  The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.  

Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.


Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: headhuntersix on February 05, 2014, 11:59:51 AM
I say we have an 800 year old man build a boat and sail them away  :D

That shit didn't happen......but if it did...my Noah is Russell Crowe all the way.
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 05, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
I say we have an 800 year old man build a boat and sail them away  :D

And take all the feeble minded idiots along with him.
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: dario73 on February 05, 2014, 02:26:50 PM

In FY 2013:



- ICE conducted a total of 368,644 removals.

- ICE conducted 133,551 removals of individuals apprehended in the interior of the U.S.
--- 82 percent of all interior removals had been previously convicted of a crime.

- ICE conducted 235,093 removals of individuals apprehended along our borders while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S.

- 59 percent of all ICE removals, a total of 216,810, had been previously convicted of a crime.
--- ICE apprehended and removed 110,115 criminals removed from the interior of the U.S.
--- ICE removed 106,695 criminals apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S.

- 98 percent of all ICE FY 2013 removals, a total of 360,313, met one or more of ICE's stated civil immigration enforcement priorities.

- Of the 151,834 removals of individuals without a criminal conviction, 84 percent, or 128,398, were apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S. and 95 percent fell within one of ICE's stated immigration enforcement priorities.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/02/04/mind-boggling-stats-illegal-immigrants-criminal-records-press-rarely-if-#ixzz2sUOaJK23
Title: Re: how about we deport everyone today? charge home country for jet flight? security
Post by: AbrahamG on February 06, 2014, 06:10:21 AM
And take all the feeble minded idiots along with him.

Traffic would come to a crawl on this board.  :)
Title: Where is johnny I tell the kids howo vot democrat Stewy on OMB when omb pro dem?
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 11, 2014, 09:32:08 AM
lolz

what an obious democrat paid shill stewy is

spews hilarous statements nonstop liek bush ran up 20trillion debt


lol

uh well obama did 11T

but 20? lol

aw stewy
Title: Thought Police: Firms must swear ObamaCare not a factor in firings
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 11, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/11/thought-police-firms-must-swear-obamacare-not-factor-in-firings/
Title: Re: Thought Police: Firms must swear ObamaCare not a factor in firings
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 11, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
Communist thugocracy
Title: how can hitlery dream of being president when she let americans die?
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 11, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
off drinking martini while americans died in ben ga zee

this idiot is really arrogant
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: temple_of_dis on February 11, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
this is kinda annoying

can my posts be left alone please?

whos doing this?
Title: Re: Chris Christe is AWESOME I personally would end all union pensions, end unemply
Post by: 240 is Back on February 11, 2014, 03:55:10 PM
his weight. 

his stance on bridge closures
Title: obama deficit up to 21T from 8T all other preidents previously, frakking = 2$gas
Post by: absfabs on December 22, 2015, 06:34:11 PM
thanks capitalists!!!

clinton says thanks for new free market called the internet invented during 90s!! because reagan de reguataed!!
Title: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 22, 2015, 06:37:32 PM
I don't think there should be a sneak contract for str8s

any contract should be signed up front not hidden by bs lovey dovery until the bear trap clanks shut

lawyers stealing from men to give to mostly women and its wrong

do not spread this to more men!

less that 1 % of people want it 

put gay marriage to popular vote and 99% against

it is not discrimination that is stupid idea
Title: Trump: lets make Russia friends and together knock hek outa ISIS! YEAH!
Post by: absfabs on December 22, 2015, 06:39:11 PM
Title: REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 36.7%, CARSON 11.3%, CRUZ 11%, RUBIO 8.3%
Post by: absfabs on December 22, 2015, 07:10:13 PM
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20151217-20151222/type/day
Title: CNN Cuts Off Guest After Rant About Bill's Sexual Trysts...
Post by: absfabs on December 22, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/thank-you-were-done-don-lemon-cuts-off-guest-after-they-rants-about-bill-clintons-sex-life/
Title: Re: Trump: lets make Russia friends and together knock hek outa ISIS! YEAH!
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2015, 07:54:48 PM
the US and Russia are fighting over the same global resources.   The successes of one are directly related to the failures of the other.

They'll never be "friends" and trump is appealing to the insanely naive to insinuate otherwise.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 22, 2015, 08:41:12 PM
I don't think there should be a sneak contract for str8s

any contract should be signed up front not hidden by bs lovey dovery until the bear trap clanks shut

lawyers stealing from men to give to mostly women and its wrong

do not spread this to more men!

less that 1 % of people want it 

put gay marriage to popular vote and 99% against

it is not discrimination that is stupid idea

Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 23, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
So in other words you are just bitter because another gender has no interest in marrying you either.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 23, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
So in other words you are just bitter because another gender has no interest in marrying you either.

No I understand the core concepts.  Who's bitter?  Project much?
Title: Trump 39% Cruz 18% :)
Post by: absfabs on December 23, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-cnn-orc-poll/index.html
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Primemuscle on December 23, 2015, 02:51:10 PM
.
Title: Re: Trump 39% Cruz 18% :)
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2015, 03:34:33 PM
at this point... any trump criticisms of hilary actually HELP her.

He's the voice of anti-mexican, ban all muslims/database, mock the elderly, mock the handicapped, mock those menstruating, zero plan for america while shitting on jeb's wife.

when he shits on hilary (even for legitimate issues), all of those criticisms will fall into the same Trump category of credibility.   
Title: Re: Trump 39% Cruz 18% :)
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2015, 04:03:36 PM
Republican apocalypse now of peace
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2015, 04:04:37 PM
I don't think there should be a sneak contract for str8s

any contract should be signed up front not hidden by bs lovey dovery until the bear trap clanks shut

lawyers stealing from men to give to mostly women and its wrong

do not spread this to more men!

less that 1 % of people want it 

put gay marriage to popular vote and 99% against

it is not discrimination that is stupid idea


As a gay mixed gendered person YOU do not need to get married to yourself. But that doesn't mean you have to ruin everyone else's fun.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 23, 2015, 04:26:31 PM
No I understand the core concepts.  Who's bitter?  Project much?

how many concepts are there for you to keep track of anyway?

two people of the same sex getting married is pretty much all there is to know

If you are personally opposed to gay marriage then you're free to not get gay married

just for laughs why don't you explain why you believe 99% of the population would vote against it since both Pew and Gallup polls show support between 55% to 60%
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2015, 04:38:04 PM
how many concepts are there for you to keep track of anyway?

two people of the same sex getting married is pretty much all there is to know

If you are personally opposed to gay marriage then you're free to not get gay married

just for laughs why don't you explain why you believe 99% of the population would vote against it since both Pew and Gallup polls show support between 55% to 60%


Please DO NOT counter stupidity with facts.

Wtf...
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 23, 2015, 04:58:56 PM
how many concepts are there for you to keep track of anyway?

two people of the same sex getting married is pretty much all there is to know

If you are personally opposed to gay marriage then you're free to not get gay married

just for laughs why don't you explain why you believe 99% of the population would vote against it since both Pew and Gallup polls show support between 55% to 60%


fine tell liz warren and others lets have a state wide vote! of the people, let everyone be counted, you will lose 95 to 5 lol
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 23, 2015, 05:04:11 PM

fine tell liz warren and others lets have a state wide vote! of the people, let everyone be counted, you will lose 95 to 5 lol

Liz Warren the senator?

Please explain how senators are involved in public voting, much less on voting to take away a civil right
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 23, 2015, 07:36:49 PM

fine tell liz warren and others lets have a state wide vote! of the people, let everyone be counted, you will lose 95 to 5 lol

This may surprise you but we live in a Republic, not a democracy...
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 23, 2015, 08:16:07 PM
It's an exit not an entrance
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
It's an exit not an entrance

for both genders?  or only when it suits your liking?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2015, 02:29:07 AM
It's an exit not an entrance


Where'd you find the manual?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: whork on December 24, 2015, 03:51:57 AM
It's an exit not an entrance

Your wife disagree.

Sorry could'nt help it.

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 08:47:44 AM
Liz Warren the senator?

Please explain how senators are involved in public voting, much less on voting to take away a civil right

you have problems with definitions.   I say let the people vote and you will never ever get this gay marraige powergrab passed.   We should reduce the legal fees in this country bigtime, not give more power to the state.   There is no discrimination and no civil rights involved, it is about the law being used to steal from citizens.  Only a small number of powermad politicans want gay marriage and that is only for lawsuit looting.  The majority of people will vote it down thats why morons like Obama and Liz warren will never let the people vote on it. :)
Title: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 09:29:49 AM
saying it! Too bad its a free country huh?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2015, 09:58:59 AM
you have problems with definitions.   I say let the people vote and you will never ever get this gay marraige powergrab passed.   We should reduce the legal fees in this country bigtime, not give more power to the state.   There is no discrimination and no civil rights involved, it is about the law being used to steal from citizens.  Only a small number of powermad politicans want gay marriage and that is only for lawsuit looting.  The majority of people will vote it down thats why morons like Obama and Liz warren will never let the people vote on it. :)

We don't put civil rights to a popular vote (not going to even waste my time explaining it to you - go consult the Supreme Court decision if you actually care)

Why are you even bringing up Warren or Obama?

You still haven't offered an explanation for the inconsistency of your opinion of how the public would vote in your idiotic premise (99% against) vs. actual public opinion polls showing strong support for gay marriage. 

Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2015, 10:43:44 AM
They could put up a popular vote, national referendum on "should the 8% of the population that are Muslim be deported" and in 2015, I have to believe it'd pass. 
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: Skeletor on December 24, 2015, 10:50:02 AM
Define "minority" religions if you please.

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2011/10/trollsign.jpg)
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2015, 10:59:42 AM
Define "minority" religions if you please.

70% of the nation is christian.

from what I understand about emotions, rage, and media (not so much the constitution), any religion that isn't at least 50% doesn't enjoy the same freedoms of expression.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2015, 11:37:50 AM
It's an exit not an entrance

So, what are you saying exactly? That you're opposed to gay marriage because a dick may end up in an ass? If that's your concern, shouldn't you be out there advocating only for lesbian marriages and demanding a prohibition on strap-ons and vegetables shaped like phalluses?
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2015, 11:46:32 AM
saying it! Too bad its a free country huh?

And a happy winter solstice to you!
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
So, what are you saying exactly? That you're opposed to gay marriage because a dick may end up in an ass? If that's your concern, shouldn't you be out there advocating only for lesbian marriages and demanding a prohibition on strap-ons and vegetables shaped like phalluses?



Hahahahahahhahahahaha
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 24, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
Another insecure virgin exposed here.
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 24, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Compared to Islam, Christianity is a "minority religion".
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2015, 01:44:15 PM
Compared to Islam, Christianity is a "minority religion".

but christianity isn't violent in any way, dumbass. 
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
We don't put civil rights to a popular vote (not going to even waste my time explaining it to you - go consult the Supreme Court decision if you actually care)

Why are you even bringing up Warren or Obama?

You still haven't offered an explanation for the inconsistency of your opinion of how the public would vote in your idiotic premise (99% against) vs. actual public opinion polls showing strong support for gay marriage. 



My reasoning is sound, you are just ignoring it.
The majority would vote down so called gay marriage. :)
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2015, 03:07:13 PM
My reasoning is sound, you are just ignoring it.
The majority would vote down so called gay marriage. :)




Not a chance. Marriage is a tax break.

Let people love who they love.

End your self hate.

You're gay. It's ok. This is a bodybuilding site.

This is gay central.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 24, 2015, 03:47:52 PM
My reasoning is sound, you are just ignoring it.
The majority would vote down so called gay marriage. :)


Your posts are void of reason.
I guess you think just repeating the same idiotic declaration is somehow "reason"
Major opinion polls show a majority support gay marriage.  
Provide similar proof to support your premise that 99% of voters would vote against it (in your fantasy vote that will never happen)
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
Worldwide though, Christianity and Islam are almost 50/50

i sure hope the muslim leaders don't come up with any crazy laws banning christians from entry.

seems like the kind of reactionary, nutbag stuff we'd expect tho.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
My reasoning is sound, you are just ignoring it.
The majority would vote down so called gay marriage. :)

This may come as a surprise to you, but we live in a republic, not a democracy. You may want to educate yourself on what the difference is.



well, not you what with your gig as a troll and all...
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 07:01:29 PM
This may come as a surprise to you, but we live in a republic, not a democracy. You may want to educate yourself on what the difference is.



well, not you what with your gig as a troll and all...

What has that got to do with anything I said?
Title: Re: Trump 39% Cruz 18% :)
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
bump because everyone keeps saying Trump is falling behind in the polls but he is by far #1
Title: Re: Merry Christmas EVE all! All minority religions I don't care if you dislike me
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 07:06:47 PM
Banning muslims from enterting is smart idea which most americans agree.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 24, 2015, 07:45:51 PM
What has that got to do with anything I said?

Once you understand the difference between a republic and a democracy you'll have your answer.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 24, 2015, 11:40:04 PM
You stupid attempt to change the subject doesn't change the fact that if the people were allowed to vote on the issue it would be voted down.  Just sayin :)  By the way I understand what a republic is :)  thx
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
You stupid attempt to change the subject doesn't change the fact that if the people were allowed to vote on the issue it would be voted down.  Just sayin :)  By the way I understand what a republic is :)  thx


No you don't. You're a terrible American't.

Read:
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 25, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
What has that got to do with anything I said?

folks...
333386/Soul Crusher may have returned ! Just in time for the '16 election and the social issues!
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: 240 is Back on December 25, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
folks...
333386/Soul Crusher may have returned ! Just in time for the '16 election and the social issues!

yep.  more entertaining than ever.   welcome back brah.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 25, 2015, 01:33:41 PM
The majority doesn't want gay marriage and it is wrong for the government to steal based on a shady hidden bear trap contract.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: avxo on December 25, 2015, 02:34:53 PM
The majority doesn't want gay marriage and it is wrong for the government to steal based on a shady hidden bear trap contract.

And merry christmas to you - did you play your people's traditional skin flute this morning?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: whork on December 26, 2015, 02:57:46 AM
The majority doesn't want gay marriage and it is wrong for the government to steal based on a shady hidden bear trap contract.


The role of an republic is to protect minorities from the majority.

Not the other way around.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2015, 03:03:59 AM

The role of an republic is to protect minorities from the majority.

Not the other way around.


In a republic. Not in a true democracy.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: sync pulse on December 26, 2015, 04:33:53 AM
folks...
333386/Soul Crusher may have returned ! Just in time for the '16 election and the social issues!

Absfabs, I think, is "Magikusar".
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2015, 08:49:22 AM
The majority doesn't want gay marriage and it is wrong for the government to steal based on a shady hidden bear trap contract.

the only place that is actually true is inside your addled brain

back in reality the majority of the public supports it
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Lol of course the majority don't want gay marriage.   Only a few fascists like you think it is a good idea.  More stealing from people using the idea of divorce.  Wow.   
Title: Trump does it again, cameo from Duck Dynasty
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 11:28:59 AM
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 26, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Lol of course the majority don't want gay marriage.   Only a few fascists like you think it is a good idea.  More stealing from people using the idea of divorce.  Wow.   

except of course they do

Was your jibberish in the initial post about divorce?
Title: Re: Trump does it again, cameo from Duck Dynasty
Post by: 240 is Back on December 26, 2015, 12:18:31 PM
LOl really going for the base there
Title: Re: Trump does it again, cameo from Duck Dynasty
Post by: polychronopolous on December 26, 2015, 12:25:35 PM
That hat is the best.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 26, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
I didn't know the majority were being forced to marry queers
no one is being 'forced' to marry anyone! geez, get the argument correct.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 26, 2015, 01:55:17 PM
I see your irony bypass is working

 :D
Title: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 02:39:52 PM
worst president of all time by very large margin
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: andreisdaman on December 26, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
worst president of all time by very large margin

All the stats I've shown in various threads have destroyed this argument ....END OF THREAD
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: headhuntersix on December 26, 2015, 03:31:33 PM
Your stats....from your side. Sorry guy but by every measurable stat things around the world are worse because of or in spite of your shitbag president.
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: andreisdaman on December 26, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
Your stats....from your side. Sorry guy but by every measurable stat things around the world are worse because of or in spite of your shitbag president.

EXACTLY HOW ARE THESE STATS FROM MY SIDE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????These are GOVERNMENT STATS........why can't you admit what the stats CLEARLY SHOW????????????....that your whole premise about OBAMA is ABSOLUTELY WRONG........you are truly embarrassing yourself here ??? ???
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2015, 06:46:44 PM
EXACTLY HOW ARE THESE STATS FROM MY SIDE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????These are GOVERNMENT STATS........why can't you admit what the stats CLEARLY SHOW????????????....that your whole premise about OBAMA is ABSOLUTELY WRONG........you are truly embarrassing yourself here ??? ???

Haha, because it's a government, Obama minion controlled site.
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: andreisdaman on December 26, 2015, 06:51:21 PM
Haha, because it's a government, Obama minion controlled site.

you MUST know in that pea brain of yours that presidents cannot control these stats...if they could then Obama would never have let the Labor Dept. report 10% unemployment back in 2009..does that make sense to you?
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2015, 07:00:27 PM
you MUST know in that pea brain of yours that presidents cannot control these stats...if they could then Obama would never have let the Labor Dept. report 10% unemployment back in 2009..does that make sense to you?

I suppose you actually think that oshithead is just a talking head being controlled by staffers. Don't you?
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: andreisdaman on December 26, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
I suppose you actually think that oshithead is just a talking head being controlled by staffers. Don't you?

(shaking head)...AMAZING...
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 26, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
(shaking head)...AMAZING...

Doesn't surprise me especially since you really think the UE is at 5%...lol.
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: andreisdaman on December 26, 2015, 07:19:42 PM
Doesn't surprise me especially since you really think the UE is at 5%...lol.

WOW...you are too far gone
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 26, 2015, 07:23:28 PM
I see your irony bypass is working
when you make silly statements, yes.
youre fun to play with
Title: Re: CNN Cuts Off Guest After Rant About Bill's Sexual Trysts...
Post by: chadstallion on December 26, 2015, 07:29:36 PM
as he should have.
Bill isnt running for prez.
thank god a kennedy isnt running for office or we'd have to hear about Teddy's driving accident...again.
Title: Re: CNN Cuts Off Guest After Rant About Bill's Sexual Trysts...
Post by: headhuntersix on December 26, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
well thing is the libs...you guys...whatever make this big thing about the "war on women"....well kinda hard to be for "da women" if your husband is serial rapist and philanderer. Once again proving u libs are all full of shit. I'm just glad you guys came out of the gun control closet and are for full on confiscation.   
Title: Obama is easily the worst president of all time, worse than FDR
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 09:59:17 PM
unemployment
welfare
all jobs by government
prices up
pay down
fedex force unionized
innovation down
harder to hire n fire
harder to produce
illegal immigration
debt skyrocketing, more than all previous president together
USA needs all republican house senate and prez for decades to fix
Title: Re: Trump does it again, cameo from Duck Dynasty
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 10:09:08 PM
I want to be as rich as the duck guy some day!
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 26, 2015, 10:25:01 PM
Just know that only a tiny minority of nutjobs want gay marriage.

:)

Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: 240 is Back on December 27, 2015, 12:37:37 AM
Haha, because it's a government, Obama minion controlled site.

Were these numbers trustworthy when repubs ran the govt?
Dod Clinton lie about the numbers too?
Title: Re: Obama left Iraq ealy causing ISIS, and took USA from 8T to 21T debt! 25% unemply
Post by: jon cole on December 27, 2015, 01:40:19 AM
It's not only obama fault, everything started when usa decided to re-draw middle orient back in 90's, to stole the oil. Since million of ppl died, where deported, and tension between various ethnical or religious group are now at a peak.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: jon cole on December 27, 2015, 01:52:14 AM
I'm not anti gay but i'm against gay mariage, because they want it to be a norm. I work with gay and being gay or lesbian is not just about eating dick or pussy, it's far more complicated in a psychological way.


I worked with a couple of lesbian in the past, they were the weirdest psycho you can find. Hidding their homosexuality, pretending they were roomate, or only doing carpooling. One of them was a psychorigid bitch, making comment about guy like she was an hetero.
The other was the vicious person i've ever met. The kind of person that can makes you doing nasty stuff just to got something against you to got an emprise on you.

Both were compulsive manipulative despite their totally different personnality. Both very smart.
Their two brain were like one, very powerful machine, able to put group of ppl into servitude with invisible manipulation.

Rumor (more than rumor) say that they killed an elderly neighbor with psychological harrasment.
The wickiest ppl ever.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: B_B_C on December 27, 2015, 02:21:12 AM
"
Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did ABSFABS see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

"What giants?" asked Sancho Panza.

"Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."
"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."

"
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 27, 2015, 02:38:00 AM
"
Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did ABSFABS see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."

"What giants?" asked Sancho Panza.

"Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."
"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."

"


Hahahahaha

....

This topic is under new management.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 27, 2015, 04:12:44 AM
I'm not anti gay but i'm against gay mariage, because they want it to be a norm. I work with gay and being gay or lesbian is not just about eating dick or pussy, it's far more complicated in a psychological way.


I worked with a couple of lesbian in the past, they were the weirdest psycho you can find. Hidding their homosexuality, pretending they were roomate, or only doing carpooling. One of them was a psychorigid bitch, making comment about guy like she was an hetero.
The other was the vicious person i've ever met. The kind of person that can makes you doing nasty stuff just to got something against you to got an emprise on you.

Both were compulsive manipulative despite their totally different personnality. Both very smart.
Their two brain were like one, very powerful machine, able to put group of ppl into servitude with invisible manipulation.

Rumor (more than rumor) say that they killed an elderly neighbor with psychological harrasment.
The wickiest ppl ever.

oh, well then, that settles it. You've made a great case. Two lesbians.
glad life is so simple in your world.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: jon cole on December 27, 2015, 08:23:26 AM
oh, well then, that settles it. You've made a great case. Two lesbians.
glad life is so simple in your world.


Oh wait, did i forgot to mention that they were at least 10 lesbians in my site, agglomerated in a mafia, terrifying our direction with the permanent menace of denouncing so called "homophobia" when something wasn't in their way.

I also mention to forgot the neverending weird pussy story, constantly cheating on each other with the other lesbians of the site, and also, best part of it, forcing one of them to complain for rape against a male coworker because her "girl" discovered she cheated on her with the guy.

Another was caught in the act putting nail under coworker vehicule tire, she destroyed 60 tires on a 6 month period.

Wicked, nasty, pervert.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: jon cole on December 27, 2015, 09:32:45 AM

you seem to be confusing sexuality with antisocial behaviour

It seems that from my own experience this minority is over-represented in these extreme case of "antisocial behavior".

No ?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 27, 2015, 09:58:32 AM
jesus christ.  between absfag and jon cock on here... this thread is golden.
Title: Re: CNN Cuts Off Guest After Rant About Bill's Sexual Trysts...
Post by: 240 is Back on December 27, 2015, 10:11:01 AM
well thing is the libs...you guys...whatever make this big thing about the "war on women"....well kinda hard to be for "da women" if your husband is serial rapist and philanderer. Once again proving u libs are all full of shit. I'm just glad you guys came out of the gun control closet and are for full on confiscation.   

ummmm

bill clinton is a lying bag of shit on so many levels.

But 'serial rapist'?  LOL no, he was a good looking bullshit artists and monica sure didn't think he was single lol 
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 27, 2015, 10:30:43 AM
jesus christ.  between absfag and jon cock on here... this thread is golden.



I also enjoying it like a gay man enjoys reruns of Friends....

No homo...
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: jon cole on December 27, 2015, 12:04:18 PM
jesus christ.  between absfag and jon cock on here... this thread is golden.

Watching too many porn leads to a false idea of lesbian.

It's just i can't imagine the lesbians i know having children. I just can't.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 27, 2015, 12:27:57 PM
Watching too many porn leads to a false idea of lesbian.

It's just i can't imagine the lesbians i know having children. I just can't.

And yet... there are lesbians who do have children.  Obviously, you don't know many lesbians.  Certainly not enough to have an unbiased view of them.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: whork on December 27, 2015, 01:27:27 PM

Oh wait, did i forgot to mention that they were at least 10 lesbians in my site, agglomerated in a mafia, terrifying our direction with the permanent menace of denouncing so called "homophobia" when something wasn't in their way.

I also mention to forgot the neverending weird pussy story, constantly cheating on each other with the other lesbians of the site, and also, best part of it, forcing one of them to complain for rape against a male coworker because her "girl" discovered she cheated on her with the guy.

Another was caught in the act putting nail under coworker vehicule tire, she destroyed 60 tires on a 6 month period.

Wicked, nasty, pervert.


The lesbian mafia? Sounds scary.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: B_B_C on December 27, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

The lesbian muffia? Sounds hairy .
Title: Re: Obama is easily the worst president of all time, worse than FDR
Post by: 240 is Back on December 27, 2015, 01:41:50 PM
unemployment

history will say Obama dropped US from 10 to 5%.

everything we say is just conspiracy nonsense.
Title: Re: Obama is easily the worst president of all time, worse than FDR
Post by: WOOO on December 27, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
Can we please ban this gimmick... He spams here and on the training board... Anabolico?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Primemuscle on December 27, 2015, 03:07:39 PM
'A new Gallup poll says support of same-sex marriage is at an all-time high, with 60 percent of Americans favoring it being legal in the U.S. That’s up from 55 percent in support last year.'

http://www.opb.org/news/blog/newsblog/same-sex-marriage-legalized-a-year-ago-in-oregon/

The above poll does not take into consideration the 99% of the homophobe, rednecks are against gay marriage.  ;D

Title: Re: Obama is easily the worst president of all time, worse than FDR
Post by: headhuntersix on December 27, 2015, 03:26:06 PM
history will say Obama dropped US from 10 to 5%.

everything we say is just conspiracy nonsense.

If you think that's all it will say your dreaming....your constant Obama ballwasher confirms what a closet lib you are.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: whork on December 27, 2015, 03:39:10 PM


Indeed.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: 240 is Back on December 27, 2015, 08:15:54 PM
'A new Gallup poll says support of same-sex marriage is at an all-time high, with 60 percent of Americans favoring it being legal in the U.S. That’s up from 55 percent in support last year.'

http://www.opb.org/news/blog/newsblog/same-sex-marriage-legalized-a-year-ago-in-oregon/

The above poll does not take into consideration the 99% of the homophobe, rednecks are against gay marriage.  ;D



oh snap.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 29, 2015, 04:59:58 AM
oh snap.
as the BookWorm said to Batman....
"Facts are stubborn things"
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
'A new Gallup poll says support of same-sex marriage is at an all-time high, with 60 percent of Americans favoring it being legal in the U.S. That’s up from 55 percent in support last year.'

http://www.opb.org/news/blog/newsblog/same-sex-marriage-legalized-a-year-ago-in-oregon/

The above poll does not take into consideration the 99% of the homophobe, rednecks are against gay marriage.  ;D




lol   
Title: Trump is right: Bill Clinton’s sordid sexual history is fair game Resize Text Pr
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
Trump is right: Bill Clinton’s sordid sexual history is fair game
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Former president Bill Clinton in New York City on Dec. 9. (Mike Segar/Reuters)

By Ruth Marcus Columnist December 28 at 7:43 PM

Donald Trump is crude and vulgar. He’s every “-ist” in the book: racist, sexist, narcissist, for starters. His dis about Hillary Clinton getting “schlonged” in the 2008 campaign and the accompanying tirade about her “disgusting” bathroom break were weird and juvenile. But he has a point about Clinton playing the “woman’s card,” and about the male behavior that’s more concerning: her husband’s.

Was there a sexist undertone to Trump’s “schlonged” comment? I guess, since we know which Democratic candidate does and doesn’t have one. Still, as sexism goes, this feels awfully mild.

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“I think he has to answer for what he says, and I assume that others will make the larger point about his language,” Clinton told t he Des Moines Register. “It’s not the first time he’s demonstrated a penchant for sexism.”

[A political bomb is about to blow up in the Democrats’ faces]

True, but Clinton’s attempt at outsourced outrage has the air of a basketball player flopping on the floor for the benefit of the ref. Nothing would make the Clinton campaign happier than some good old-fashioned male chauvinist piggery directed her way — all the better to rile up female voters who seem surprisingly nonchalant about the prospect of electing the first female president.

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We’ve seen this playbook before. During her first Senate race in 2000, when Clinton’s Republican opponent, Rick Lazio, invaded her personal space in a debate. During the 2008 presidential campaign, when Clinton surrogates complained that male opponents were “piling on” the then-front-runner, and the campaign posted a video on its website called “The Politics of Pile On.”

Sure, that campaign featured ugly incidents, proteste rs yelling “iron my shirt” at the female candidate and that notorious Hillary nutcracker. There were moments in which Clinton’s male opponents demonstrated their cluelessness about how to run against a woman; recall then-Sen. Barack Obama’s “likable enough” moment and John Edwards’s ham-handed comment on Clinton’s pink jacket. But it wasn’t misogyny that doomed Clinton back then.

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And we’ve seen this tactic earlier this campaign, when Clinton allies tried to turn Sen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) observation about how “all the shouting in the world” would not solve the problem of gun violence into a sexist effort to quiet his opponent.

“Well, first of all, I’m not shouting,” Clinton responded. “It’s just when women talk, some people think we’re shouting.”

Into this gender minefield lumbers Trump, characteristically unbound and deploying a weapon that none of Clinton’s Democratic opponents, past or present, has dared to mention. He played the Bill Card.

[George Will: If Trump wins, prepare for the end of the conservative party]

“Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate! ” Trump tweeted on Saturday.

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He followed up the next day on “Fox and Friends Weekend,” accusing Clinton of playing the “woman’s card” and declaring her husband “fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very troubled, to put it mildly, because of all the things that she’s talking to me about.” Trump, typically delighted with himself, pointed out, “I turned her exact words against her.”

And again, Monday morning. “If Hillary thinks she can unleash her husband, with his terrible record of women abuse, while playing the women’s card on me, she’s wrong!”

Well, Bill Clinton has a penchant for something. He had a successful presidency — with an ugly blot. “Sexism” isn’t the precise word for his predatory behavior toward women or his inexcusable relationship with a 22-year-old intern. Yet in the larger scheme of things, Bill Clinton’s conduct toward women is far worse than any of the offensive things that Trump has said.

Trump has smeared women because of their looks. Clinton has preyed on them, and in a workplace setting where he was by far the superior. That is uncomfortable for Clinton supporters but it is unavoidably true.

Which leads to the next question: What is the relevance of Bill Clinton’s conduct for Hillary Clinton’s campaign? Ordinarily, I would argue that the sins of the husband should not be visited on the wife. What Bill Clinton did counts against him, not her, and I would include in that her decision to stick with him. What happens inside a marriage is the couple’s business, and no one else’s, even when both halves crave the presidency.


But Hillary Clinton has made two moves that lead me, gulp, to agree with Trump on the “fair game” front. She is (smartly) using her husband as a campaign surrogate, and simultaneously (correctly) calling Trump sexist.

These moves open a dangerous door. It should surprise no one that Trump has barged right through it.
Title: Justice Dept. declines to prosecute Veterans Affairs fraudsters...
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 01:31:36 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/justice-dept.-declines-to-prosecute-va-fraudsters/article/2579226
Title: Trump: Bill Clinton’s ‘Abuse of Women’ ‘Certainly Will Be Fair Game’ in Hillary
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 01:35:14 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/29/trump-bill-clintons-abuse-of-women-certainly-will-be-fair-game-in-hillary-clash/
Title: Clinton Struggles Against Trump in November Match-Up
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 01:36:08 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/29/clinton-struggles-trump-november-match/
Title: NEW YORK TIMES TRIES TO BLAME CONGRESS FOR OBAMA'S ISIS FAILURE
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:10:28 PM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261252/new-york-times-tries-blame-congress-obamas-isis-daniel-greenfield
Title: Donald Trump secure the presidency in a landslide victory over Hillary Clinton i
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/29/washington-free-beacon-names-breitbarts-boyle-one-of-2015s-men-of-the-year/

Mr. Boyle belongs at the tippy top of that list, and his prominence will only increase should Republican frontrunner Donald Trump secure the presidency in a landslide victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, an outcome many of the most prominent non-mainstream experts consider to be all but inevitable.
Title: Trump corrects NBC: Clinton, Lewinsky affair not 'alleged'
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:19:21 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-corrects-nbc-clinton-lewinsky-affair-not-alleged/article/2579210
Title: deadly coordinated terrorist attacks on Paris that left at least 129 people dead
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:30:43 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-cia-official-crystal-clear-obamas-isis-strategy-not-working/

With the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) claiming responsibility for using a bomb to down a Russian airliner over the Sinai desert and the Paris attacks this weekend, the former deputy director of the CIA says it's time for a new strategy to fight the militant group.

"We've had an ISIS affiliate in the Sinai apparently - we don't know for sure yet - bringing down an airliner, only the third airliner brought down by a bomb in the last quarter century. And we've had the second largest terrorist attack in Western Europe since 9/11, the largest since Madrid in 2004," Michael Morell, CBS News' senior national security contributor, said on "Face the Nation" Sunday. "When you put those two things together and you put together this attempt to build an attack capability in the West, I think it's now crystal clear to us that our strategy, our policy vis-à-vis ISIS is not working and it's time to look at something else."


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The deadly coordinated terrorist attacks on Paris that left at least 129 people dead and 352 injured have raised fresh concerns about the group's capabilities and what it means for security in the United States. Morell said the attacks in Paris are a first success for the group at building an attack capability in the West. Eventually, hey said, they will try to replicate it in the United States.

"It looks like this was planned, organized, directed from Iraq and Syria," Morell said. ISIS had to get a large number of operatives into France as well as explosives and other weapons, and they had to communicate between themselves and back-and-forth with Iraq and Syria.

"That is a level of sophisticated that we have not seen since the London bombings in 2005," he said. "What you're actually seeing now is something akin to state-sponsored terrorism in the West by ISIS."

Now, Morell said, it may be time to reconsider one of President Obama's top priorities in the Middle East: That Syrian President Bashar Assad needs to leave power for a solution to the Syrian civil war. ISIS has also claimed territory amid the other chaos in Syria.


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"I do think the question of whether President Assad needs to go or whether he is part of the solution here, we need to look at it again," Morell said. "Clearly he's part of the problem. But he may also be part of the solution."

He suggested an agreement where Assad stays in power for another year and fights ISIS with the Syrian army and support from the U.S.-led coalition and Russia "may give us the best result." Russian President Vladimir Putin has escalated Russia's involvement in the conflict, but has defended Assad as the best option to fight ISIS and does not call for his exit from power.

The former CIA deputy director said that he believes investigators will learn that the perpetrators of the attack used encrypted apps to communicate. He said it "very difficult if not impossible" for the government to break the encryption and that the producers of those apps don't always give law enforcement the keys necessary to read the messages.

"We need to have a public debate about this," Morell said. "We have, in a sense, had a public debate. That debate was defined by Edward Snowden, right, and the concern about privacy. I think we're now going to have another debate about that. It's going to be defined by what happened in Paris."
Title: Paperwork error spares VA fraudsters from punishment By SARAH WESTWOOD • 12/3/1
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:49:13 PM
Paperwork error spares VA fraudsters from punishment

By SARAH WESTWOOD • 12/3/15 3:26 PM
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A pair of Department of Veterans Affairs officials who were demoted after the inspector general found they had stolen $400,000 from the agency won't actually be facing any punishment because the VA bungled the paperwork for their demotions.

The VA announced last month that Diana Rubens and Kimberly Graves would be stripped of their present positions after they were both accused of manipulating a VA program meant to relocate agency employees who transfer long distances to take jobs within the VA. Rubens fraudulently netted more than $274,000 and Graves more than $129,000, according to the agency's inspector general, but the VA indicated it would make no attempt to recover the money they siphoned from the program.

The VA has now been forced to rescind their demotions thanks to a paperwork error, effectively negating the only punishment the two officials would have received.

Both Rubens and Graves had appealed the VA's original decision to the Merit Systems Protection Board, a body that helps sort through disagreements among federal employees and management.


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"During a review of the appeals, agency counsel discovered that, due to an administrative error, one of the five binders of evidence supporting each action had inadvertently been omitted from the materials provided to the employees with their proposed demotion paperwork," the VA said in a lengthy statement Thursday.

Because the VA had forgotten to hand over one of the five binders of evidence against Rubens and Graves, the agency must now "rescind" their punishment and attempt to pursue it again after both employees have had a chance to prepare a defense against the evidence in the forgotten binder.

The embattled officials will have a chance to appeal the punishment a second time if the VA decides to try for their demotions once more. Both Rubens and Graves pleaded the Fifth in a congressional hearing last month and refused to answer questions about their alleged fraud.

VA leadership has come under fire for its seeming refusal to hold employees accused of misconduct accountable. The case of Rubens and Graves, who may escape even a minimal form of discipline despite weeks of pressure from a bipartisan group of lawmakers who called their actions "shockingly unethical," is emblematic of a larger problem throughout the agency.

In the year and a half since the explosion of a scandal over secret patient waiting at 110 facilities across the country, only three VA officials have ever been fired for their role in covering up long delays in veterans' health care.


Rep. Jeff Miller, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, said the latest incident proves "VA's incompetence knows no bounds."

"By now, it's clear to nearly every objective observer that VA's top officials don't know how to properly discipline employees," Miller said. "What remains unclear, however, is whether they are even interested in doing so."
Title: since Obama announced his anti-ISIS coalition, ISIS territory has grown 20 perce
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
since Obama announced his anti-ISIS coalition, ISIS territory has grown 20 percent. Most of the coalition’s 50 “members” have done nothing in the fight.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/23/the-farcical-failure-of-obamas-anti-isis-strategy/
Title: Here is an idea: no more bailouts, no more student loans, no more welfare
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
simple

end the fed

just cut gov spending and fire gov workers and lower legal fees until debt gone
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Forget the poll, just let the people vote on gay marriage, and suprisingly it won't pass by 90% margin.    The dream agreement democrats mastrubate over is only a dream.   Most people are against it.  It is not discrimination, nor racism, sorry.   People aren't interested in communist minority view that thinks its a good idea.  It is not.
Title: Re: Trump is right: Bill Clinton’s sordid sexual history is fair game Resize Text Pr
Post by: 240 is Back on December 29, 2015, 03:22:13 PM
I hate Clinton more than I hate trump. 


But trump reminding us about Clinton only does 2 things.  It reminds people of the Clinton years, which most view as successful, and it makes trump look petty.  Trump has 3 marriages of his own and calls women fat pigs on national tv.  He mocked Carly's face 2 months ago.   

Trump is pretty rough on women. 
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 29, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Forget the poll, just let the people vote on gay marriage, and suprisingly it won't pass by 90% margin.    The dream agreement democrats mastrubate over is only a dream.   Most people are against it.  It is not discrimination, nor racism, sorry.   People aren't interested in communist minority view that thinks its a good idea.  It is not.


Wtf is a 90% margin? Can you do math? Do you understand democratic principles?


Answer is no. Please use this cheat sheet in your reply.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 29, 2015, 03:32:21 PM
Cmon admit it, you know the majority of people don't want gay marriage, you know it.  That is why only a tiny fraction of lawyers are desperatly trying to pass it while government school re educate the young to be for it based on some trumpde up discrimination or civil rights bs.

lol
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: WOOO on December 29, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
Yes. You're right about everything.

End of board.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
'A new Gallup poll says support of same-sex marriage is at an all-time high, with 60 percent of Americans favoring it being legal in the U.S. That’s up from 55 percent in support last year.'

http://www.opb.org/news/blog/newsblog/same-sex-marriage-legalized-a-year-ago-in-oregon/

The above poll does not take into consideration the 99% of the homophobe, rednecks are against gay marriage.  ;D



re quoted for reality
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 29, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
Cmon admit it, you know the majority of people don't want gay marriage, you know it.  That is why only a tiny fraction of lawyers are desperatly trying to pass it while government school re educate the young to be for it based on some trumpde up discrimination or civil rights bs.

lol

Damn, you got schooled in here badly and still trying to cajole people into thinking along your warped lines of reality.

Title: REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 39.1%, CRUZ 13.7%, RUBIO 11.9%, CARSON 11.7%... MORE...
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 06:50:22 AM
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20151224-20151229/type/day
Title: unemployment up under obama and more unproductive government jobs than ever
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 06:53:34 AM
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-longterm-unemployment-has-doubled-under-president-obama
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
I have schooled everyone who has tried.  Asserting something is not an argument.  I clearly explained things.  Challenge your beliefs and you may benefit.  The government stealing more is not a good thing and most people don't want it.
Title: Re: since Obama announced his anti-ISIS coalition, ISIS territory has grown 20 perce
Post by: andreisdaman on December 30, 2015, 07:39:35 AM
since Obama announced his anti-ISIS coalition, ISIS territory has grown 20 percent. Most of the coalition’s 50 “members” have done nothing in the fight.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/23/the-farcical-failure-of-obamas-anti-isis-strategy/

Actually ISIS has lost 14% of its territory recently...Iraqis took back Ramadi and the Kurds have taken back many towns from ISIS along
the Syrian /Turkish border......and this is due to the support and bombing from the United States.......I do agree with you however that the other coalition partners have not kept their part of the bargain......and that the U.S. (as usual) has shouldered the burden even though the Europeans and Middle Eastern states are more vulnerable to ISIS than we are....so your argument actually shows that Obama above all others is doing something while the rest of the world is not
Title: Fuzzy Math in Unemployment Statistics Phyllis Schlafly | Jan 13, 2015  Share on
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 08:05:13 AM
Fuzzy Math in Unemployment Statistics
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The Department of Labor announced that 252,000 new jobs were added to the U.S. economy in December. The Obama administration is trying to pander to voters by touting a recent decline in government unemployment figures, but the official unemployment figure is dishonest because it excludes from the count the million unemployed Americans who have given up looking for a job. You don't count as "unemployed" unless you are actively looking for a job.
Prospects are especially dismal for those who have been out of work for a half-year or more. A shocking 31.9 percent of the unemployed, about 2.8 million, have been out of work for 27 or more weeks, and that figure remained virtually unchanged last month despite rosy claims by the Obama administration.

You would never know that by listening to spokesmen for the Obama administration. Obama's administration claims that unemployment has fallen to 5.6 percent. In fact, the more accurate U-6 unemployment rate was twice as high, 11.2 percent for December.

Once someone is out of work for an extended period of time, it becomes nearly impossible to get a decent job. Studies show that after eight months of being out of work, the likelihood of being called back for an interview declines to less than 50 percent.

This is what allows Obama to prevaricate about so-called falling unemployment rates. The more people who drop out of the workforce entirely, the lower is the official unemployment rate.

Why is the real rate of unemployment so high, why are wages stagnant, and why don't Democrats or Republicans address this fundamental jobs issue instead of misleading the public about the figures and relying on more taxpayer programs and benefits?

The sorry answer is that Republicans and Democrats in Congress are following the Chamber of Commerce game plan: bring in more cheap labor to keep wages low. Economics 101 still teaches that the law of supply and demand works, and a large supply of labor keeps wages low.

Obama facilitates this game plan by illegally admitting aliens, and some Republicans want to expand guest worker visas at all levels (the well-educated by H-1B visas, the low-paid by calling them "guest workers," or farm workers).

The percentage of people who are not in the labor force remains at levels not seen since the failed presidency of Jimmy Carter. The number of people on food stamps is twice as high as before Obama became president, which is a good marker of the failure of Obama's economic policies.

Another point neglected by the data collectors is that the jobs now being created tend to pay a lower wage than the jobs that were lost. As a result, incomes are stagnant, and many people who do have jobs do not earn enough to feed their families.

Politicians of both parties still cater to trade policies that send U.S. manufacturing jobs to foreign countries. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and a handful of large corporations continue to demand special "fast track" authority to impose trade agreements that will cost us more jobs in the future.

This Wednesday, the leader of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is scheduled to outline his demands to push through special powers for the Obama administration to cut trade deals with foreign nations. "We are going to be putting a major push, a major campaign, behind getting trade promotion done as soon as possible," promised a policy director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. He added that their push is "going to be around the clock."

Despite evidence demonstrating that prior trade agreements have caused massive losses in quality jobs for Americans, politicians remained determined to send more jobs overseas. The so-called "TPP," which is a proposed 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership with Asian nations that exploit cheaper labor, is being pushed by the Obama administration and the misguided U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The free-trade agreement with Mexico that was forced upon us in the form of NAFTA resulted in a flood of illegal drugs into our nation, in addition to lost jobs. What undisclosed harmful consequences will flow from the TPP?

Full hearings and debate should be required before imposition of these devastating changes to our economy, and testimony by economists who are critical of this proposed free-trade deal should be heard first before any sweetheart deals are cut for multinational corporations.

Reuters has estimated that 150 Democratic and 27 Republican congressmen are already on record as being opposed to "fast track" free-trade proposals, and the views of many of the 65 newly elected congressmen are unknown. Hopefully they will not forget who brought them to the dance: Americans who want more jobs in America.
Title: Why do economists count government jobs as employment? they are welfare
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 08:10:48 AM
Why do economists count government spending as income in GDP?

Government spending comes from taxes.....and is simply transfer payments from forced appropriations....

It would be interesting to discount Obamas employment numbers by number of government jobs, everyone knows zillions more government jobs under Obaamaaa and many fewer productive competition based jobs.
Title: more people on welfare, and unemployed up under obama Schiff shows
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 08:11:38 AM
Title: Gallup CEO Jim Clifton The "Real" Unemployment Rate11.2% Double OBama #
Post by: absfabs on December 30, 2015, 08:13:35 AM
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: OzmO on December 30, 2015, 08:32:34 AM
I have schooled everyone who has tried.  Asserting something is not an argument.  I clearly explained things.  Challenge your beliefs and you may benefit.  The government stealing more is not a good thing and most people don't want it.


60% for is not 99% against.   FAIL.

Might need to go back to school to learn the difference
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: chadstallion on December 30, 2015, 08:39:54 AM
Forget the poll, just let the people vote on Slavery, and suprisingly it would pass.   
fixed.
ponder this idea.
the red neck white vote would be all over this idea.
that's why we don't vote on civil rights
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 30, 2015, 01:48:17 PM
I have schooled everyone who has tried.  Asserting something is not an argument.  I clearly explained things.  Challenge your beliefs and you may benefit.  The government stealing more is not a good thing and most people don't want it.

The only thing you have schooled is yourself with your pathetic attempt to pass delusions off as facts and reality. 

Good lord you must practice a lot to be this detached. 
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Primemuscle on December 30, 2015, 03:22:18 PM

Wtf is a 90% margin? Can you do math? Do you understand democratic principles?


Answer is no. Please use this cheat sheet in your reply.


Why bother arguing with this idiot?
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2015, 03:40:06 PM
I have schooled everyone who has tried.  Asserting something is not an argument.  I clearly explained things.  Challenge your beliefs and you may benefit.  The government stealing more is not a good thing and most people don't want it.

Hilarious given that's all you've done on this thread

Here you assert that 90% of people would oppose it in a vote

Forget the poll, just let the people vote on gay marriage, and suprisingly it won't pass by 90% margin.    The dream agreement democrats mastrubate over is only a dream.   Most people are against it.  It is not discrimination, nor racism, sorry.   People aren't interested in communist minority view that thinks its a good idea.  It is not.

Oddly, you started this thread by asserting that 99% of people would oppose it

Why the 9% drop in opposition or did you just forgot your own idiotic bullshit from the first page

I don't think there should be a sneak contract for str8s

any contract should be signed up front not hidden by bs lovey dovery until the bear trap clanks shut

lawyers stealing from men to give to mostly women and its wrong

do not spread this to more men!

less that 1 % of people want it  

put gay marriage to popular vote and 99% against

it is not discrimination that is stupid idea
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 31, 2015, 01:52:03 PM
you are stupid beyond belief

No one is interested in your weird interpretations of what I said.

You socialists will NEVER let people choose what they want, because they don't care about your crony agenda.

If people were allowed to vote, no gay marriage anywhere would pass.

Only a tiny number of communist social engineers want this kind of stupid law, that only allows gays to sue for divorce money as women do...which is bad.

Socialism failed in the 19th century, and will always fail.

Obama is worst president of all time by a large margin, even worse that FDR who caused the great depression....and he took debt from 8 to 21T in 7 years....wow....solyandr a, VA, IRS, force unionizing fedex which would have allowed packages that are small to be 50 cents for $4 min amazon now charges, but kicked overpriced overpaid union asses!!!  Remeber unions make us all poorer and have high prices.
Title: Re: CNN Cuts Off Guest After Rant About Bill's Sexual Trysts...
Post by: absfabs on December 31, 2015, 02:03:46 PM
well thing is the libs...you guys...whatever make this big thing about the "war on women"....well kinda hard to be for "da women" if your husband is serial rapist and philanderer. Once again proving u libs are all full of shit. I'm just glad you guys came out of the gun control closet and are for full on confiscation.   

amen
Title: 40% of black voters and 45% of Hispanic voters support Donald Trump. LANDSLIDE
Post by: absfabs on December 31, 2015, 02:15:52 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/breaking-poll-40-of-blacks-line-behind-trump-45-of-hispanics/

 :o
Title: https://berniesanders.com/issues/ this is a fun read
Post by: absfabs on December 31, 2015, 02:18:57 PM
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on December 31, 2015, 04:20:08 PM
where was it tested in the 19th Century?

russia china europe
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on January 01, 2016, 12:03:29 AM
None of those countries had socialism in the 19th century.

Those countries were actually Monarchies at those times.

Russia has never been socialist in the manner that Bernie Sanders discusses.

As a matter of fact, the "socialism" that Bernie Sanders discusses is how France and the UK are governed today.

I'm not saying they are better than the constitutional republic of the US, but that's what they are.

actually they are were
Title: economic incentives and cop shootings
Post by: absfabs on January 01, 2016, 09:12:24 AM
if you made officers
1 be able to be sued for shooting someone or planting evidence etc
2 made pensions and union, not taxpayer pay for lawsuits
3 did not raise budgets, but lowered them and expected better output, because more $$ from taxpayer on training is not solution
4 show list of DA and lawyers who try and cover up stuff or ignore facts, and patterns
5 keep database of all bad cops and make it public

This would to me fix the problem.
Right now you have power without accountability.
Title: More than 1,200 Clinton emails now deemed classified The agency also falls short
Post by: absfabs on January 01, 2016, 09:14:39 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/state-dept-to-miss-target-in-clinton-email-release-217255
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 01, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Damn this is like the Infinity Well of stupidity with this guy.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on January 01, 2016, 11:49:57 AM
that is not the correct answer to my question


Russia china and europe tried socialism in the 19th century and it failed...to sum up
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: B_B_C on January 01, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
Russia china and europe tried socialism in the 19th century and it failed...to sum up

they didn't
go check your facts
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Primemuscle on January 01, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
you are stupid beyond belief

No one is interested in your weird interpretations of what I said.

You socialists will NEVER let people choose what they want, because they don't care about your crony agenda.

If people were allowed to vote, no gay marriage anywhere would pass.

Only a tiny number of communist social engineers want this kind of stupid law, that only allows gays to sue for divorce money as women do...which is bad.

Socialism failed in the 19th century, and will always fail.

Obama is worst president of all time by a large margin, even worse that FDR who caused the great depression....and he took debt from 8 to 21T in 7 years....wow....solyandr a, VA, IRS, force unionizing fedex which would have allowed packages that are small to be 50 cents for $4 min amazon now charges, but kicked overpriced overpaid union asses!!!  Remeber unions make us all poorer and have high prices.

Boy do you ramble on. Do you find that folks laugh whenever you attempt to make a point? If you speak like you write, I can't see how they could keep from laughing at you.
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 01, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
they didn't
go check your facts

hahaha
Title: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: absfabs on January 02, 2016, 09:36:18 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/01/obamacare-premiums-to-soar-3-times-faster-than-feds-claim/
Title: Harvard Profs Denounce CNN’s Flawed Campus Rape Doc, Call It ‘Propaganda
Post by: absfabs on January 02, 2016, 09:57:45 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/harvard-profs-denounce-cnns-flawed-campus-rape-doc/
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: absfabs on January 02, 2016, 10:01:07 AM
Boy do you ramble on. Do you find that folks laugh whenever you attempt to make a point? If you speak like you write, I can't see how they could keep from laughing at you.

Laugh all you want, you are still wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Why I am against gay marriage
Post by: Primemuscle on January 02, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
Laugh all you want, you are still wrong  ;D

About what -the fact that you're Getbig's resident clown?
Title: Re: Harvard Profs Denounce CNN’s Flawed Campus Rape Doc, Call It ‘Propaganda
Post by: Purge_WTF on January 02, 2016, 01:08:19 PM
 Nobody in their right mind believes the whole "1 in 4" thing.

 And some recent posts by Facebook friends suggest that the legal system is finally starting to punish the skanks who think it's rape because the guy didn't answer her text messages the next day.
Title: Bill Cosby Donated To The Clinton Foundation. Will The Charity Return The Money?
Post by: absfabs on January 02, 2016, 11:14:51 PM
Bill Cosby Donated To The Clinton Foundation. Will The Charity Return The Money?
Photo of Chuck Ross
Chuck Ross
Reporter
1:09 PM 12/30/2015
2762
 
 
Bill Cosby fires Marty Singer. (Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images)   Bill Cosby fires Marty Singer. (Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

Numerous organizations had disassociated themselves from Bill Cosby even before the comedian was charged with a crime for any of the alleged sexual assaults he committed over the years. Colleges and universities have scrubbed the formerly-beloved TV dad’s name from their buildings. Others have rescinded honorary degrees given to Cosby and more have returned donations he has provided.

But one organization that has yet to make a move regarding Cosby is the Clinton Foundation.

As was reported earlier this year, the “Cosby Show” creator gave between $1,001 and $5,000 to the non-profit organization operated by former president Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Even as dozens of women came forward to accuse Cosby of sexually assaulting them over the past several decades, the charity declined to relinquish the Cosby cash. And in a particularly awkward interview in July, Clinton campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri hemmed and hawed when asked whether the Foundation would return the money.

“It’s, you know, wealthy people giving money to help poor people. Uh, we think that’s, uh, that’s a positive thing,” she said.

What Should The Clinton Foundation Do With The Money?

  Return It To Cosby         Donate It To Charities That Help Victims Of Sexual Assault      

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Asked by Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin whether she saw any reason for the Clinton Foundation to give the money back, Palmieri said: “I mean, I think that you should, uh, uh, like the Foundation can also speak to this.”

The Clinton Foundation did not respond on Wednesday to The Daily Caller’s questions about its plans for the Cosby donations.

An arrest warrant for Cosby was issued on Wednesday for an incident which allegedly occurred in his Philadelphia-area mansion in Jan. 2004. Cosby allegedly raped Andrea Constand while she was unconscious. Constand has said that she looked at Cosby as a friend and mentor before the incident.

Montgomery County, Pennsylvania District Attorney Kevin Steele said Wednesday that Cosby was being charged with “aggravated indecent assault” — a first-degree felony — and that he will be arraigned later in the day. (RELATED: Bill Cosby Charged With Felony Aggravated Indecent Assault)

In July, Spelman College, a historically black women’s college in Atlanta, terminated a professorship endowed by Cosby and his wife. Numerous other schools have distanced themselves from Cosby in other ways. Marquette University, Brown University, and Fordham University — just to name a few — have rescinded honorary degrees granted to the 78-year-old.

Of course, there’s one explanation that could explain the Clinton’s slow response to the Cosby affair. Bill Clinton himself has been accused by numerous women of sexual assault, indecency, and harassment since the 1970s.
Title: Re: Bill Cosby Donated To The Clinton Foundation. Will The Charity Return The Money?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2016, 12:14:52 AM
"Clintons Made $109 Million in Last 8 Years"


They can afford to give the rapist Jell-O spokesman the four grand back.
Title: Re: Bill Cosby Donated To The Clinton Foundation. Will The Charity Return The Money?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 03, 2016, 12:41:13 AM
Bill Cosby Donated To The Clinton Foundation. Will The Charity Return The Money?
Photo of Chuck Ross
Chuck Ross
Reporter
1:09 PM 12/30/2015
2762
 
 
Bill Cosby fires Marty Singer. (Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images)   Bill Cosby fires Marty Singer. (Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

Numerous organizations had disassociated themselves from Bill Cosby even before the comedian was charged with a crime for any of the alleged sexual assaults he committed over the years. Colleges and universities have scrubbed the formerly-beloved TV dad’s name from their buildings. Others have rescinded honorary degrees given to Cosby and more have returned donations he has provided.

But one organization that has yet to make a move regarding Cosby is the Clinton Foundation.

As was reported earlier this year, the “Cosby Show” creator gave between $1,001 and $5,000 to the non-profit organization operated by former president Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Even as dozens of women came forward to accuse Cosby of sexually assaulting them over the past several decades, the charity declined to relinquish the Cosby cash. And in a particularly awkward interview in July, Clinton campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri hemmed and hawed when asked whether the Foundation would return the money.

“It’s, you know, wealthy people giving money to help poor people. Uh, we think that’s, uh, that’s a positive thing,” she said.

What Should The Clinton Foundation Do With The Money?

  Return It To Cosby         Donate It To Charities That Help Victims Of Sexual Assault      

Completing this poll entitles you to Daily Caller news updates free of charge. You may opt out at anytime. You also agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Asked by Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin whether she saw any reason for the Clinton Foundation to give the money back, Palmieri said: “I mean, I think that you should, uh, uh, like the Foundation can also speak to this.”

The Clinton Foundation did not respond on Wednesday to The Daily Caller’s questions about its plans for the Cosby donations.

An arrest warrant for Cosby was issued on Wednesday for an incident which allegedly occurred in his Philadelphia-area mansion in Jan. 2004. Cosby allegedly raped Andrea Constand while she was unconscious. Constand has said that she looked at Cosby as a friend and mentor before the incident.

Montgomery County, Pennsylvania District Attorney Kevin Steele said Wednesday that Cosby was being charged with “aggravated indecent assault” — a first-degree felony — and that he will be arraigned later in the day. (RELATED: Bill Cosby Charged With Felony Aggravated Indecent Assault)

In July, Spelman College, a historically black women’s college in Atlanta, terminated a professorship endowed by Cosby and his wife. Numerous other schools have distanced themselves from Cosby in other ways. Marquette University, Brown University, and Fordham University — just to name a few — have rescinded honorary degrees granted to the 78-year-old.

Of course, there’s one explanation that could explain the Clinton’s slow response to the Cosby affair. Bill Clinton himself has been accused by numerous women of sexual assault, indecency, and harassment since the 1970s.

If he donated to your campaign, would you return the donation?
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 03, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
I'm still waiting for my $2500 reduction per family like he promised. But wait, didn't most of see this coming?
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: headhuntersix on January 03, 2016, 11:21:07 AM
Under old plan my Gf paid 750 for an unforeseen medical issue 2 years ago...this year under douchbag care 12K. Please libs don't even try to tell us this shit is better.
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 03, 2016, 01:17:03 PM
Under old plan my Gf paid 750 for an unforeseen medical issue 2 years ago...this year under douchbag care 12K. Please libs don't even try to tell us this shit is better.

Just for shits and giggles I want them to explain it....lol
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: AbrahamG on January 03, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
Don't know what to tell you guys.

I get better coverage and slightly lower costs ever since Obamacare was implemented.

Sorry it's been so rough on you guys.

That's because you are honest and have no agenda.  These retards are liars and racists and urban legend puppeteers.
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: iwantmass on January 03, 2016, 04:01:41 PM
That's because you are honest and have no agenda.  These retards are liars and racists and urban legend puppeteers.

How original. A liberal calling someone a racist for no reason whatsoever
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: headhuntersix on January 03, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Don't know what to tell you guys.

I get better coverage and slightly lower costs ever since Obamacare was implemented.

Sorry it's been so rough on you guys.

Your not the norm but then again states may vary.
Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: TheGrinch on January 03, 2016, 06:03:50 PM
thats okay... lost my original health insurance policy even though I was told I "could keep it"..


then my premiums doubled... then they tripled... then the deductibles quadrupled....



so I pay 3x as much for a policy that I have to pay 10x the original deductible before it will even pay a penny...


great job!!


<----- canceled insurance because its completely unaffordable now for our family
Title: funny when democrats run a town hall, and pick the topic, not listen to customer
Post by: absfabs on January 03, 2016, 06:48:33 PM
wow

democrats are dangerous because they really believe the idea that there are people who are smart enough to run things from a tiny committe at the top

FA hayek already disproved this stupid idea in the road to surfdom, decades ago

the calculation problem means you cant run it from the top

too many small optimizing decisions need to be made

the free market is only way
Title: Obama does not have the right to take guns from americans, without amending con
Post by: absfabs on January 03, 2016, 06:53:16 PM
stitution

this is an outrageous pwoer grab and a great example of regulation creep which ruined universities, medical and finance
Title: if mass produced cheap housing were persued with all $$ of NASA.....
Post by: absfabs on January 03, 2016, 06:56:35 PM
then we could all work 8 hours a week and be a ok
Title: Re: Harvard Profs Denounce CNN’s Flawed Campus Rape Doc, Call It ‘Propaganda
Post by: absfabs on January 03, 2016, 07:01:40 PM
democrats will repeat it as fact nonstop to sway dumb voters using TV

Title: Re: Obamacare Premiums To Soar 3 Times Faster Than Feds Claim
Post by: whork on January 04, 2016, 12:57:43 PM
I'm still waiting for my $2500 reduction per family like he promised. But wait, didn't most of see this coming?

Look on the bright side, nobody is sending you to a death camp.
Title: obama so delusional
Post by: absfabs on January 04, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
Obama: Executive Action on Guns Will Be ‘Entirely Consistent’ With the Second Amendment
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by PAM KEY4 Jan 201651
Monday, President Barack Obama announced his plan to use an executive order on gun control and claimed he is confident his action will be “entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.”

Obama said, “I think everybody here is all too familiar with the statistics. We have tens of thousands of people every single year who are killed by guns. We have suicides that are committed by firearms at a rate that far exceeds other countries. We have a frequency of mass shootings that far exceeds other countries in frequency. And although it is my strong belief that for us to get our complete arms around the problem, Congress needs to act. What I asked my team to do is to see what more we could do to strengthen the enforcement and prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands to make sure that criminals, people who are mentally unstable, those who could pose a danger to themselves or others are less likely to get a gun. And I have just received back a report from Attorney General Lynch, Director Comey and Deputy Director Brandon about some of the ideas and initiatives they think can make a difference. And the good news is that these are not only recommendation that are well within my legal authority, and the executive branch, but they’re also ones that the overwhelming majority of the American people, including gun owners, support and believe in. So over the next several days we’ll be rolling out these initiatives. We’ll be making sure that people have a very clear understanding of what can make a difference and what we can do. And although we have to be very clear that this is not going to solve every violent crime in this country, it is not going to prevent every mass shooting, it is not going to keep every gun out of the hands of a criminal, it will potentially save lives in this country and spare families the pain and the extraordinary loss that they have suffered as a consequence of a firearm being in the hands of the wrong people.”

“I’m also confident that the recommendations that are being made by my team here are ones that are entirely consistent with the 2nd Amendment and people’s lawful right to bear arms. And we have been very careful recognizing that although we have a strong tradition of gun ownership in this country, that even those who possess firearms for hunting, for self protection and for other legitimate reasons want to make sure that the wrong people don’t have them for the wrong reasons. So I want to say how much I appreciate the outstanding work that the team’s done. Many of them worked over the holidays to get this set of recommendations to me. And I’m looking forward to speaking with the people over the next several days about them. okay? Thank you very much.”
Title: Trump live U Mass Lowell
Post by: absfabs on January 04, 2016, 05:09:51 PM
Title: do democrats get that burocracy is only reason we work more than 1 day of 30?
Post by: absfabs on January 06, 2016, 06:00:15 PM
automation would long ago have made everything cheap and easy if it wasnt for democrat and other commies putting government in the way

capitalism endless boom would automate everything and use clean thorium atomic

automated house maker give you 5 plastic and concrete houses for few 1000
Title: Re: do democrats get that burocracy is only reason we work more than 1 day of 30?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 06, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
I was saying this exact thing to my grandpa today, almost word for word.


*great minds*
Title: libertarians are liberals, democrat are communists/fascists/socialists
Post by: absfabs on January 07, 2016, 06:45:24 PM
addicted to control



Title: government health care rebuffed
Post by: absfabs on January 07, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Title: trump 47 hitlery 44 Im lovin it!
Post by: absfabs on January 09, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/01/08/fox-news-poll-national-presidential-race-obama-ratings/
Title: Does anyone here think msnbc and cnn are not far leftist?
Post by: absfabs on January 09, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
I mean this to be is basic truth.  Fox is only slightly republican.   Never hear of faritax.org or repealing income tax on fox, or dissolving everything not enumerated in constitution that the feds do.......

I mean founder never intended federal law to be so overwhelming

or federal reserve bank to make gov own banking....
Title: Re: Does anyone here think msnbc and cnn are not far leftist?
Post by: iwantmass on January 10, 2016, 08:09:53 AM
I mean this to be is basic truth.  Fox is only slightly republican.   Never hear of faritax.org or repealing income tax on fox, or dissolving everything not enumerated in constitution that the feds do.......

I mean founder never intended federal law to be so overwhelming

or federal reserve bank to make gov own banking....

I happen to watch fox and I can't even say they are only slightly republican, with a straight face. 
Title: Obamas only mistake is lots of government spending and regulation
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 08:28:30 AM
reduce government spending and regulations and everyone better off
Title: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
USA needs the opposite!

Capitalism is endless boom and all better off..

Socialism is busts and fed printing $$ giving it to incompetents like elon musk who piss it away and we are all then in debt nothing to show 4 it...

Why is this not basic for people?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 09:11:28 AM
great, coherent thread.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
great, coherent thread.

Well just read it.

:)

What questions do you have?

Hint: unregulated capitalism made USA great not the mythical managed capitalism of krugman and keynes
Title: So what is Hillary's record? Should be fun
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
Bhengazi and email I know about
and Iran deal..

What other megafails has she had?

I bet her senate votnig record is comedy!
Title: Re: Does anyone here think msnbc and cnn are not far leftist?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 09:58:56 AM
these are all entertainment channels, with a targeted audience.

this is like starting a thread titled "why does BET play 100% rap videos when rap is only 25% of total sales" or "Why does the Cooking Channel focus 75% on dessert when it's only 20% of meals are dessert?"

The entertainment channels play what their target audience wants.  Most people want political news/commentary to match their personal beliefs.  Nobody watches "music channel" - they wouldn't watch NPR TV either.  They watch VHI for classics, BET for rap, etc.  They watch MSNBC for dem news, FOX for republicans news, and CNN for michael jackson/ UK royal family news.

Anyone who says otherwise is dumb and probably has sex with farm animals.  
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Zero regulations?   What about on pollution? What about on monopolies?   What happens to cell phone bills if att is allowed to buy up all their competition?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 10, 2016, 10:24:36 AM
USA needs the opposite!

Capitalism is endless boom and all better off..

Socialism is busts and fed printing $$ giving it to incompetents like elon musk who piss it away and we are all then in debt nothing to show 4 it...

Why is this not basic for people?

Your thread title is the most idiotic in the history of Getbig since at this time, the U.S. economy is doing better than a ANY economy in the world, including China....also we have FULL EMPLOYMENT at 5%.....and creating 200,000 jobs a month........Wall st. is booming....

this is embarrassing for you
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 10, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Your thread title is the most idiotic in the history of Getbig since at this time, the U.S. economy is doing better than a ANY economy in the world, including China....also we have FULL EMPLOYMENT at 5%.....and creating 200,000 jobs a month........Wall st. is booming....

this is embarrassing for you


Careful.  He will take this as a challenge.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: polychronopolous on January 10, 2016, 11:41:28 AM
We have had some fantastic new posters to the Political board in 2015 and absfabs is right there at the top of the class.

Keep doing your thing, bro. I'm a huge fan.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 10, 2016, 12:57:11 PM
We have had some fantastic new posters to the Political board in 2015 and absfabs is right there at the top of the class.

Keep doing your thing, bro. I'm a huge fan.

Unfortunately, FANTASTIC might be entertaining, BUT not FACTUAL or ACCURATE...His own thread destroyed itself
Title: Obama never went to Columbia
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 01:06:24 PM
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 10, 2016, 02:47:15 PM
Well to answer the thread...cause he was black...andre voted for him because he was black...no other reason. Now we have Saudi Arabia and Iran gearing up for war...the rest of the middle east in shambles..NK doing what NK does...cause Bush or something. Russia is on the rebound and if their economy tanks...expect a war somewhere. Domestically the black dude in the Whitehouse has gutted the military both in manpower and equipment while using it as a grand social experiment t. In Obama's world science is only settled if its about climate change...cause apparently women are the same as men and can be Seals or some shit. Yeah oil is cheap...despite him...need I post the Obama quote about energy necessarily  needing to go up. Then we have unemployement...again great job Barry, we have a "real unemployment" rate around 10% because some people have just given up or watched their jobs turn into part time. Others have watched Obamacare blow their rates through the roof and they've lost their doctors.....but barry is part black and that's ok by andre. Good job andre you rock.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 10, 2016, 04:22:21 PM
Well to answer the thread...cause he was black...andre voted for him because he was black...no other reason. Now we have Saudi Arabia and Iran gearing up for war...the rest of the middle east in shambles..NK doing what NK does...cause Bush or something. Russia is on the rebound and if their economy tanks...expect a war somewhere. Domestically the black dude in the Whitehouse has gutted the military both in manpower and equipment while using it as a grand social experiment t. In Obama's world science is only settled if its about climate change...cause apparently women are the same as men and can be Seals or some shit. Yeah oil is cheap...despite him...need I post the Obama quote about energy necessarily  needing to go up. Then we have unemployement...again great job Barry, we have a "real unemployment" rate around 10% because some people have just given up or watched their jobs turn into part time. Others have watched Obamacare blow their rates through the roof and they've lost their doctors.....but barry is part black and that's ok by andre. Good job andre you rock.
Well first of all I consider your post a victory because you constantly go off topic and talk about race when you have ABSOLUTELY NO RETORT...so you then have to torture your mind to come up with stuff that has nothing to do with the thread title and plus inject race into it like you usually do.....and then by page five of this thread you will proclaim ME to be the racist and say that I brought it up first like you always do....

the economy is doing great but you hate that because you need to blame daddy Obama for your problems...
Title: Re: Obama never went to Columbia
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
that's quite a theory you have there.

almost conspiratorial in nature.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Well to answer the thread...cause he was black...andre voted for him because he was black...no other reason.

what % of votes does obama get in 2008 if he's white?   Less than the 53% that he got?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 10, 2016, 04:30:56 PM
what % of votes does obama get in 2008 if he's white?   Less than the 53% that he got?


ALSO got 40% of the white vote, 80% of Asians, and 70% of Hispanics...he had an awful lot of support...........yet headsucker thinks MY VOTE put Obama over the top :D
Title: Paul ryan dolleeess are takers
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 04:58:46 PM
not makers!

Why apologize? its true
Title: Re: Does anyone here think msnbc and cnn are not far leftist?
Post by: absfabs on January 10, 2016, 05:12:12 PM
ok sure

but whats funny is many people think CNN is just normal not hardcore lefty

thats scary
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 07:21:16 PM
ALSO got 40% of the white vote, 80% of Asians, and 70% of Hispanics...he had an awful lot of support...........yet headsucker thinks MY VOTE put Obama over the top :D

Obama got almost 70% of the eskimo vote.   those fcking eskimos.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 10, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
Obama got almost 70% of the eskimo vote.   those fcking eskimos.

 :D......it would be interesting to know how much of the gay vote he got?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 10, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
Well to answer the thread...cause he was black...andre voted for him because he was black...no other reason. Now we have Saudi Arabia and Iran gearing up for war...the rest of the middle east in shambles..NK doing what NK does...cause Bush or something. Russia is on the rebound and if their economy tanks...expect a war somewhere. Domestically the black dude in the Whitehouse has gutted the military both in manpower and equipment while using it as a grand social experiment t. In Obama's world science is only settled if its about climate change...cause apparently women are the same as men and can be Seals or some shit. Yeah oil is cheap...despite him...need I post the Obama quote about energy necessarily  needing to go up. Then we have unemployement...again great job Barry, we have a "real unemployment" rate around 10% because some people have just given up or watched their jobs turn into part time. Others have watched Obamacare blow their rates through the roof and they've lost their doctors.....but barry is part black and that's ok by andre. Good job andre you rock.

Whiner.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
:D......it would be interesting to know how much of the gay vote he got?

like, tapping toes trying to blow dudes in airports in minnesota?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: OzmO on January 11, 2016, 07:05:58 AM
What about the economy affects the average American most?
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 11, 2016, 07:07:53 AM
like, tapping toes trying to blow dudes in airports in minnesota?

 ;D ;D....its always amazing to me that the "family values" guys are always the same guys doing stuff on the side..yet want to criticize everyone else and label everyone else as "liberal" for doing the same......

My all time favorite was  Govenor Mark Sanford "hiking the Appalachian Trail" :D
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: andreisdaman on January 11, 2016, 07:13:59 AM
What about the economy affects the average American most?

In my opinion its gotta be gas prices......people fill up their tanks at least once every two or three days and that adds up over the course of a year.....the difference between gas being $4 or $5 a gallon and $2 a gallon as it is now, is HUGE over the course of many years.....also lower oil and gas prices translates into lower costs for food and other goods due to decreased transportation costs.......PLUS it lowers the amount of taxes we pay on fuel and gas as well

which is why the author of this thread is dead wrong and looks silly saying that Obama mismanaged the economy...things have never been this good 8)....just ask Wall St.

Of course now I will be accused of being partisan even though its common knowledge that Wall st. is booming and has compounded its income an average of 14% per year sicne Obama has been in office, Unemployment is 5%, actually its now 4.9% according the January report....which is considered FULL EMPLOYMENT, gas prices are at $2 and even under $2 a gallon in some places, and we are now the number one producer of oil in the world......

YET, I"M ACCUSED OF BEING A PARTISAN AND MAKING THESE NUMBERS UP.....its a shame that Americans have become such whinners that we need to blame the President for EVERYTHING NEGATIVE that happens, and won't even acknowledge the good.
Title: Hillary Clinton's Lead Over Sanders Nearly Vanishes 909 Comments BY JOHN MERLINE
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 06:10:43 PM
Hillary Clinton's Lead Over Sanders Nearly Vanishes
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With just 21 days until the presidential primaries officially begin in Iowa, Hillary Clinton's support among Democrats nationally has taken a serious tumble, falling eight points to 43%, according to the latest IBD/TIPP Poll. Support for her chief rival, Bernie Sanders, rose six points to 39%.

As a result, Clinton's lead over Sanders, which had been 18 points, is now just four points.

Other polls have shown the race tightening in Iowa, which holds its caucuses on Feb. 1, and New Hampshire, which has its primary eight days later. Two recent New Hampshire surveys have Sanders in the lead, and the latest NBC poll in Iowa has Sanders just three points behind Clinton.

But the IBD/TIPP Poll is the first to show the race significantly tightening nationwide.

Clinton Goes On Attack

Clinton, in response to her sagging poll numbers, has started to turn up the heat on Sanders, after all but ignoring the self-described socialist whose maverick campaign has been surprisingly resilient. CNN reported over the weekend that "a sense of anxiety is cascading through Hillary Clinton's campaign" over Sanders' gains.

Clinton recently attacked Sanders on his position on gun control, and released a campaign ad in Iowa and New Hampshire asserting that she is "the only one" who can beat whoever the Republican Party nominates.

And on Monday, in a clear attempt to appeal to Sanders' supporters, Clinton announced in Iowa her plans to impose a 4% "fair share surcharge" on incomes over $5 million. Sanders has proposed a series of tax hikes on the rich in the name of "income equality."

Clinton in recent weeks also has decried drug "price gouging" and attacked big merger deals, despite receiving heavy Wall Street donations, to try to shore up her left flank.

The IBD/TIPP Poll shows that regionally, Clinton saw her support drop most in the Northeast (where it fell to 36% from 50%) and the West (37% down from 49%). Sanders now holds the lead in both places. Clinton support also tumbled among suburban voters, dropping to 39% from last a month's 50%. And she has lost backing among moderate Democrats, falling to 44% from 58%. Sanders picked up 10 points among moderates, to 37%.

Trump Extends GOP Lead

On the GOP side, Donald Trump extended his lead over his GOP rivals, with 34% now backing the real estate tycoon, up from 27%. His support is now nearly equal to his three closest rivals combined.
Title: Supreme Court conservatives appear ready to overturn mandatory union fees  Peop
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 06:12:13 PM
Supreme Court conservatives appear ready to overturn mandatory union fees

People participate in a Jan. 11 rally at the Supreme Court in Washington as the justices heard arguments in Friedrichs vs. California Teachers Assn. (Jacquelyn Martin / Associated Press)
   David G. SavageContact Reporter
Reporting from Washington
The Supreme Court's conservative justices signaled Monday they are ready to deal a severe defeat to public employee unions by striking down mandatory fees paid by teachers and other public employees in about half the nation.

The ideological and political divide among the nine justices was evident throughout Monday's argument. The court's four Democratic appointees said the court should stick with its long-standing rule that unions can charge a "fair-share fee" to all employees who benefit from collective bargaining.

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But the court's Republican appointees sounded united in their determination to overrule the 1977 decision that upheld these fees.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said teachers who disagree with their union are being forced to subsidize union efforts to block merit pay or link salaries to classroom performance, even if they don't support such goals. These "are matters of public concern," he said, but the dissenting teachers are "being silenced."

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Kennedy referred to the union fees as "coerced speech."


Supreme Court weighs union fees for teachers: Is it a matter of free speech?
In many of the court's arguments, the justices ask questions of both sides and appear at least open to persuasion. But in Monday's argument, all the justices sounded as though they had made their decision.

At issue are the laws in California and 22 other mostly "blue" states that authorize public employee unions to act as a bargaining agent and to collect "fair-share fees," also known as agency fees, from all employees. Under a previous Supreme Court ruling, employees are not required to pay a second part of the union dues, which supports political activities.

Three years ago, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. raised questions about the agency fees and suggested they may violate the employee's rights under the 1st Amendment. In response, a small conservative group in Washington launched a lawsuit in California to challenge the practice.

Editor Davan Maharaj delivers the day's top headlines >>
Justice Elena Kagan said that striking down agency fees would upset "tens of thousands" of collectively bargained contracts and could impact as "many as 10 million employees".

But Michael Carvin, lawyer for the nine California teachers who sued, downplayed the significance of the impending decision. He said more than nine out of 10 teachers in California pay the full union dues, including for political activities, so a loss of the agency fees would have only a minor impact, he said.
Title: Re: Obama shredded he economy and locked it with regulations, now whyd u vote 4him?
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 06:15:27 PM
Zero regulations?   What about on pollution? What about on monopolies?   What happens to cell phone bills if att is allowed to buy up all their competition?

all monopoly is by government

let at n t buy everyone   as soon as prices rise, others will form corp to enter market

only gov can restrict market entry

fun to watch cabbies cry about uber
Title: noisy majority trump now beating cruz in iowa :)
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 06:23:25 PM
Title: Where was the birthir stuff for Obama? dems said naaaaa, so why on cruz now lol
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
hypocrits
Title: Has Hillary been vetted Andrew Brietbart style?
Post by: absfabs on January 11, 2016, 08:24:49 PM
Do we know about her murder strewn arkansas past?

How she got to be senator really?
Title: Obama is the worst president of all time, 8T debt to 21T in 7 years
Post by: absfabs on January 14, 2016, 06:01:03 PM
rest of presidents in ALL HISTORY of USA 8T  Obama 13T

and no he coulda not paid off the banksters! coulda let AIg FAIL! they let lehman!
Title: So the new democrat misdirection narrative is to call flat tax a VAT tax
Post by: absfabs on January 14, 2016, 08:45:32 PM
www.fairtax.org

The economic gains from taxing spending would be huge.

Democrat narrative to disable truth and progress is to caste the flat tax, as esposed by Cruz and huckabee and others, as a VAt tax.

A VAT is a evil tax used in europe to tax good alone a supply chain.  Basically a government can insert new tax anytime and any amount it wants when a company buys from suppliers to produce things.

INSANE and sneeky as hell and all over socialist poor Europe.

A flat tax, of which www.fairtax.org is a great example, as well as the 15% flat tax that uk had in Hong Kong, and well all know Hong Kong after USA is one of great economic growth stories in History, going from a rock to skyscrapers with 0 welfare and retirement plan in a few decades.  Don't tax work or production, tax spending.  Rich guy wants to buy yaghts? great!  you want to save and buy education as a poor guy guess what? 0 tax on that!
Title: Fox Biz won't release list of polls that held Rand Paul out of main stage
Post by: absfabs on January 14, 2016, 08:49:24 PM
weasils
Title: Re: Fox Biz won't release list of polls that held Rand Paul out of main stage
Post by: 240 is Back on January 14, 2016, 10:46:49 PM
I'm not sure it should even be top 7 up there. 

Christie and Carson were worthless up there.
Title: Dora is an Explorer, and a FLAT tax is not a VAT tax
Post by: absfabs on January 15, 2016, 03:15:25 PM
got it?
questions?

(http://asexyblonde.com/go.php?code=gYT0TyqBGura&partner=ftt2/o.php?u=http://galleries.tease-pics.com/onlysecretaries/025o/index.php?id=2174460)
Title: Democrats ruin the economy and create welfare armies
Post by: absfabs on January 15, 2016, 03:27:05 PM
and its up to us to stop em and turn this around!

Title: Hillary 2.0 Sinking Faster Than 2008 Campaign
Post by: absfabs on January 15, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/15/hillary-2-0-sinking-faster-than-2008-campaign/
Title: cops murdering people, and not personally suable? privatice police n fire
Post by: absfabs on January 15, 2016, 04:42:16 PM
Title: Much terrorist not covered during Obama presidency
Post by: absfabs on January 16, 2016, 03:55:38 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430325/Kenyas-president-Uhuru-Kenyatta-says-mall-siege-OVER-5-terrorists-dead.html


I never heard of this!! 80+dead!!
Title: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: absfabs on January 16, 2016, 08:02:23 PM
I am curious?

What would the usa look like if democrats really had thier way?

Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 16, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Mandatory fifth grade spelling skills before being allowed to use the internet.
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: absfabs on January 16, 2016, 09:45:50 PM
Mandatory fifth grade spelling skills before being allowed to use the internet.

How would you enforce that?
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 16, 2016, 10:35:22 PM
Mandatory fifth grade spelling skills before being allowed to use the internet.

getbig political is at a low point right now.  hopefully a lot of the regulars return when election season comes.  I skip the board some days because it's just stupid at time.  It used to be a cool collection of thoughts. 
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 17, 2016, 06:46:50 AM
How would you enforce that?

A stern talk with your mother for starters.
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 06:57:15 AM
getbig political is at a low point right now.  hopefully a lot of the regulars return when election season comes.  I skip the board some days because it's just stupid at time.  It used to be a cool collection of thoughts. 

240 you are one of the dumbest posters here.

You constantly snipe at republicans while ignoring that socialism failed in soviet union, nazi germany, and china and will fail anywhere it is tried.

You act in some bizarre fashion like anyone thinks you are anything but a party line union mentality democrat.


Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 07:03:00 AM
A stern talk with your mother for starters.

Ah personal attacks not talking the problem at hand......union mentality democrat for sure!

Remember educated people vote republican.  All MBA, PHD finance, businesspeople, engineers, scientists who aren't crony communists, entrepreneurs, inventors, philosphers etc etc
Only unemplyable climate scientists who really need a government scam to get a welfare job and lawyers and other government agents of oppression vote dem. 
Hope this helps.
PS any time you start personal insults you lost the argument  ;D


Title: Why are the horros of Soviet Russia and Communist China blanked out? democrats!
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 07:06:39 AM
What's Wrong With Socialism?
By Joe Herring
I recall a conversation I had with a young coworker in the latter weeks of Obama's campaign for president. Joe the plumber had just exposed the redistributionist bent of the candidate, and I expressed my assessment of Mr. Obama as a not-so-closeted socialist. My coworker then quite earnestly asked, "What's so wrong with socialism?"

I initially assumed he must be joking, although his face gave no indication. I stared at him dumbfounded, only later realizing I must have looked like a palsied old man -- my mouth working wordlessly, the incomprehension as evident on my face as the sincerity on his. It eventually dawned on me that he really didn't know what was wrong with socialism. I began reciting the litany of horrors: the crimes of the Holocaust, the purges of the Soviets, the thuggery and inhuman brutality of the statist regimes of the last century. The Nazis, for crissake! How could he not know about the evil of the Nazis? He listened to all of this, nodding his understanding as he recognized some of the events I described, but I could still see a question behind his eyes. While he had been taught of the existence of these atrocities, he had not been clued into the one commonality they shared. They were all perpetrated by the adherents of various forms of socialism. Indeed, such crimes were the only outcome possible.

In the late 1930s, the noted economist Friedrich Von Hayek wrote his landmark pamphlet "Road to Serfdom," laying bare the diseased skeleton of socialist/utopian thought that had permeated academia and the salons of his day. With an economy of words that showcased the significance of his conclusion, he pointed out the Achilles heel of collectivist dogma: for a planned economy to succeed, there must be central planners, who by necessity will insist on universal commitment to their plan.

How do you attain total commitment to a goal from a free people? Well, you don't. Some percentage will always disagree, even if only for the sake of being contrary or out of a desire to be left alone. When considering a program as comprehensive as a government-planned economy, there are undoubtedly countless points of contention, such as how we will choose the planners, how we will order our priorities when assigning them importance within the plan, how we will allocate resources when competing interests have legitimate claims, who will make these decisions, and perhaps more pertinent to our discussion, how those decisions will be enforced. A rift forming on even one of these issues is enough to bring the gears of this progressive endeavor grinding to a halt. This fatal flaw in the collectivist design cannot be reengineered. It is an error so critical that the entire ideology must be scrapped.

Von Hayek accurately foretold the fate that would befall dissenters from the plan. They simply could not be allowed to get in the way. Opposition would soon be treated as subversion, with debate shriveling to non-existence under the glare of the state. Those who refused compliance would first be marginalized, then dehumanized, and finally (failing re-education) eliminated. Collectivism and individualism cannot long share the same bed. They are political oil and water, and neither can compromise its position without eventually succumbing to the other. The history of the twentieth century is littered with the remains of those who became "enemies of the state" for merely drawing attention to this flaw. As Von Hayek predicted, the socialist vision would not be achieved without bloodshed.

So this is the challenge we face. My young coworker had no frame of reference by which to judge the events unfolding around him. He had been presented with only the intentions of socialism, not the inevitable results. He had been given the whitewashed fantasy of the Left, who never saw a failure that couldn't be rationalized -- or better yet, blamed on others. Our job, then, is to teach the lessons of history to those who fail to see the danger. We have to provide that all-important perspective to a generation that has been denied it. We have to do this one at a time, conversation by conversation. Tell your friends the truth; don't assume they know it. Become the person your friends and family consult when the subject turns to politics.

I successfully informed my coworker of the irreparable crack in the foundation of socialist thinking, and he is now aware of the need to burrow beneath the surface of politics to find the roots from which the tree springs. We can't wait until the tree bears fruit to determine its worth. Fruit bears seeds, and seeds scatter. Better to tear it out as a single sapling now than to hew down an entire forest of diseased wood after it has poisoned the ground.

The Left will not willingly lay claim to the true legacy of socialism, so we will have to hang it around their necks. They have grown accustomed to shedding responsibility for the damage they have done, and are adept at shifting the blame. Traditional means of holding them to account are failing. Fellow travelers in the academy and media will not challenge even their most egregious lies, so howling about bias will gain us nothing.

If you doubt the effectiveness of the Left's methods, ask any ten people under the age of forty whether Hitler and the Nazis were a product of left-wing or right-wing ideology. The obstacle we face will become painfully clear. It is not enough that you know the truth. You alone are not likely to singlehandedly shape the outcome of an election. Everyone has to know the truth. We have to reclaim our younger generations from the wolf in sheep's clothing, or it won't be long before the wolf no longer needs the disguise.
Title: Re: Why are the horros of Soviet Russia and Communist China blanked out? democrats!
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
 more media cover ups for socialist atrocities
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Why does the History Channel have so much programming about the
socialist atrocities of the horrid National Socialist German Workers'
Party, but the History Channel rarely does similar stories about the
socialist atrocities of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and
the People's Republic of China, etc? The Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics and the People's Republic of China both independently
slaughtered more people than did the horrid National Socialist German
Workers' Party? Every TV show about the horrid National Socialist
German Workers' Party could be done almost in a clone image (or worse
in numbers killed) about the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and
Communist China. It is odd that the history channel devotes so much
material to the monsters who came in third place in world genocide.

Does the History Channel commit the classic media cover-up for
socialism? The classic cover-up is to ignore the socialist
atrocities of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and of the
People's Republic of China, and to cover-up the atrocities of the
National Socialist German Workers' Party by referring to them using
the hackneyed and misleading abbreviation.

For more on this issue see http://members.ij.net/rex/media.html
Title: Re: Why are the horros of Soviet Russia and Communist China blanked out? democrats!
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 07:11:02 AM
maldistribution of wealth? says who? who says capitalism is to blame? socialism is the system running most countries, and they should move TOWARD CAPITALISM



Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 17, 2016, 07:17:25 AM
It's not an insult if it is the truth.

I know Republicans have a problem with the truth, but it doesn't change things.   ;D

But there sure is a lot of "educated" people in those broke ass red states that possess the highest rate of teen pregnancy, drug use, high school drop out, poverty and gov't $$ assistance in the nation. 
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: headhuntersix on January 17, 2016, 08:04:17 AM
I'd like to know why 47% of the untaxed populace is allowed to vote for what we, the taxpayer have to give them. I'm not saying lets go full Heinlein....but I think maybe you don't get to vote if you don't pay anything in taxes. Hence a 10% across the board tax rate. Or maybe you just have to pass a test...maybe that's more fair. Basic civics....maybe basic history. I know..how about a fucking ID that's says you are who you say you are and you only vote once.
Title: Will Bernie offer free sex and house? then mi in!
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
not b4!

Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
It's not an insult if it is the truth.

I know Republicans have a problem with the truth, but it doesn't change things.   ;D

But there sure is a lot of "educated" people in those broke ass red states that possess the highest rate of teen pregnancy, drug use, high school drop out, poverty and gov't $$ assistance in the nation. 

Not true at all.  CA Ny have far more teen preg than oh I dunno, Kansas
Title: making democrat heads explode
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 01:14:35 PM
Capitalism without Guilt: The Moral Case for Freedom - Yaron Brook

Title: Meanwhile in Nigeria
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 03:51:19 PM
Title: This is how I feel schooling getbig commies like whork and etcetc
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
Title: Dems debate tonight!!!! Why are there only 3 competitors? Repubs have so many
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
What up wih this?
Title: jason blaha has got to be a getbigger
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 04:07:08 PM
Title: marty, what do you think? note not electricity related
Post by: absfabs on January 17, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
Title: Re: Dems debate tonight!!!! Why are there only 3 competitors? Repubs have so many
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 18, 2016, 07:25:01 AM
GOP is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at an Agatha Christie dinner party.  Don't worry.... they will be disappearing like her guests very soon.
Title: Re: This is how I feel schooling getbig commies like whork and etcetc
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 18, 2016, 07:26:54 AM
This is how you should feel when simple YouTube links school you on GetBig.
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 18, 2016, 07:29:32 AM
Not true at all.  CA Ny have far more teen preg than oh I dunno, Kansas

Of course.   In your reality.  But not in the one that everyone else lives in.

Title: Re: Dems debate tonight!!!! Why are there only 3 competitors? Repubs have so many
Post by: 240 is Back on January 18, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
GOP is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at an Agatha Christie dinner party.  Don't worry.... they will be disappearing like her guests very soon.

i think a lot of them will stay in way longer than they should, hoping to be the mccain of 2016.

you'll have rand paul still 'in it' in march despite being 7th evreywhere lol
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 18, 2016, 09:06:06 AM
240 you are one of the dumbest posters here.

this board sucks donkey balls lately.  
Title: Re: So ok democrats answer this: If you had your way, what would USA look like?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 18, 2016, 10:05:20 AM
this board sucks donkey balls lately.  

Then leave.
Title: Three New Polls Show Trump Leading in Iowa and New Hampshire
Post by: absfabs on January 19, 2016, 03:52:12 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/three-new-polls-show-trump-leading-in-iowa-and-new-hampshire/

Title: live trump feed right now
Post by: absfabs on January 19, 2016, 04:13:17 PM
Title: Re: live trump feed right now
Post by: 240 is Back on January 19, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
Palin endorses Trump.

The republican party may have officially died tonight.   She was the voice of the tea party and now she's snubbing conservative stalwart Ted Cruz to support the celebrity who was a liberal for 60 years.

you repubs are fcking stupid if you support trump.  You're just stupid.  You want crap.
Title: Re: Three New Polls Show Trump Leading in Iowa and New Hampshire
Post by: 240 is Back on January 19, 2016, 04:24:54 PM
She's wearing the fat lady sweater.  Looks like she's bulking up a bit.

Those GOPers with boners aren't going to like this.

Title: Re: live trump feed right now
Post by: absfabs on January 19, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
No we are Brilliant.

Capitalism will make USA awesome as it always does.

Obama is worst president of all time, worse than FDR, who caused the great depression.

2008 was caused by Bill Clinton making Fanny n freddy loan  and fed and fanny!

Socialism failed in soviet russia and china and killed 110million people in 20th century!

Resist the crony communists who own most TV n government funded school systems, they lie ni favor of big government.

Free trade and less regulations on producing will make usa GREAT again!

Vote Trump!  Vote Republican!

Remember global warming is a scam and all educated people, scientists, engineers, businesspeople, inventors all vote pro capitalism!
JOIN US
Title: socialism is not practicle
Post by: absfabs on January 19, 2016, 04:45:08 PM
I Hate Communism
Why Communism Is Evil And Will Never Work
Communism has enslaved and killed millions of innocent people. Every communist country that ever existed has either collapsed or is on its way to capitalism. Yet, scores of people are still screaming "communism is the answer". As a a former citizen of the Soviet Union, I find this astounding. And chilling to the bone.

Why do you think people defected from the Soviet Union back in the day, under the threat of imprisonment and death? Why do you think people are still risking their lives to swim out of Cuba? Just for fun? Why do you think every communist state was born in violence and held together by fear and isolation? If this is such a wonderful ideology that makes everything better for everyone, why is it that the only way for it to succeed is to force itself down people's throats?

The defenders and supporters of communism like to point out that the statement about communism killing all those people is incorrect because communism in its purest form has never actually been tried in the world. That's right, it hasn't. For the simple reason that it isn't possible for it to ever be achieved.

Allow me to explain why. The fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is their belief in every human being's complete benevolence and its labeling of every selfish act as evil. In reality, human beings are not benevolent, and they are not selfless. I will be the first to admit that the free market system is based on this notion, but that doesn't make it evil (neither does financial success of China make it a successful society). What motivates a person to work hard for a better future for everyone? The promise of a better future for him or her as an individual. When there is no personal payoff, there is no motivation to work hard for common good. To put this into real-life terms, the reason Mr. Smith decides to open a restaurant is not because he wants to feed people who are hungry and make the world a better place, but because he wants to sell a product to those who want to buy it, and thus make a profit that would better his and his family's lives. But, by providing a service other people want, Mr. Smith is making the world a better place. Because the moment he starts selling bad food and being rude to his customers, the customers will no longer buy from him, but from Mr. Jones down the street who does offer quality food and service. In a free market system, one cannot offer the bare minimum, cannot compromise the quality of their goods, because doing so will drive them out of business. No bad restaurants on the street = better street. That's just common sense.

But in a Marxist society, a man can and will offer his absolute bare minimum, because there is no payoff for working harder, and no threat of his customers leaving him for greener pastures if he sells them bad-quality goods, rude service, or a pack of lies. Not only will he not change if they complain, he'll laugh in their faces - now, this I know from experience. Every purchase we made when I was a kid was a decision of paramount proportions, because there was no option to either exchange or return the goods you bought. This sort of thing leads to people trying to obtain better quality goods from abroad, which in turn leads to people scheming, stealing, and trying to game the system, because those foreign goods cannot be purchased at their local stores or on their miserly salaries. They are willing to risk what little they have to obtain something that's better than what's available to them legally. And why? Because it would make their lives better in some way. No matter which system you live under, human nature wins every time. We will always want what we cannot have. No matter how much we have, we will always crave more. When we're put in a cage that stifles our ability to better our and our family's lives, we will always, always strive to escape it.

You cannot build a perfect society with imperfect individuals, and you cannot force people to be perfect. So it makes sense that the only way for communism to succeed (in a manner of speaking) is to create a totalitarian government over the "dumb masses", who are to be ruled by the "perfect" select few, to be cowed and forced into submission. It's just another form of slavery under the guise of altruism. The “common good of all people” was used as a justification for every single tyranny that ever existed, and the evil they've committed overwhelms the evil committed by openly selfish undertakings or governments. All these “humanitarians” who commenced their rule with speeches about love, peace, tolerance and common good, ended up neck-deep in blood of their fellow men, the very people they had claimed to love so dearly.

And the moment a leader considers it acceptable to sacrifice the lives of millions of people for a humanitarian cause, he stops being benevolent and becomes evil incarnate.

Communism is nothing more than a form of slavery, a religion without a god; an ideology in which the government is god. It is why abolition of religion, nationality, and private property are communism's primary objectives. A person who worships a god, will never worship a government. When you are free to choose whatever belief system you want, you can never be chained to an ideology. When you are self-sufficient, you cannot be made slave to handouts and promises of a better life. When you know your history and feel pride in your culture, you cannot be dictated what your identity should be.

Which would you rather be? Would you rather live in a society where you can be free to choose your own destiny, where you can peacefully co-exist with all kinds of people even though you may not share their spiritual beliefs and cultural traditions? Or would you rather live in a society where you have but two options: either worship the God of Government or perish on the altar of its good intentions?

Thanks for reading.
Title: I have grown tired of hearing John M. Keynes' strawman version of Say's law ..
Post by: absfabs on January 19, 2016, 04:46:58 PM
Daniel Pealer 1 year ago (edited)
 I have grown tired of hearing John M. Keynes' strawman version of Say's law being bandied about as though it is the real thing. The Keynesian "supply creates its own demand" makes it sound as though demand will spring up for any good you produce just because you produce it. this is obviously false, I don't care how well Joe makes his mud pies I'm not buying. What Jean-Baptiste Say was actually getting at in his "A Treatise on Political Economy" is that in order to demand goods you must first supply goods. you cannot merely want (demand) something and have it come into being, you cannot simply demand something into existence, if that were the case the path to becoming fabulously wealthy would be to rack up eternally growing debts. Instead you must produce goods or provide services that people will value if you wish to in turn be able to obtain goods and services to satiate your wants.
To put it succinctly: Goods and services are paid for with goods and services, money merely makes the system run smoothy.
Title: The Law: by Frederic Bastiat
Post by: absfabs on January 20, 2016, 07:56:02 PM
Title: Why doesn't any socialist country give a free house?
Post by: absfabs on January 20, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
I asked my commy canadien girlfriend this years back and she got mad.

Why not a free house?

Bernie wants to give you a free social studies masters degree LOL  what good will that do?

Why not free house and sexual favors?  then im in!
Title: apple owes up to 19Bilion in taxes to ireland, democrat press covers up
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:06:19 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4fbf2764-c063-11e5-846f-79b0e3d20eaf.html#axzz3xyQZeK5V

if this was microsoft would be endless news about it
Title: browns who can't act, hek neither halle nor denzel deserved oscar, complain
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:08:21 AM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-et-mn-academy-voting-diversity-20160120-story.html

brown actors are 100% terrible

trying to bring thier huge ego dreams to screen and not have people laugh at them
Title: 1% of press and tv vote republican, just sayin, thats the 1% to worry about
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:21:26 AM
probably the real 1%
Title: OBAMA TRAVEL EXPENSES COST TAXPAYERS $10 MILLION A YEAR!
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:24:09 AM
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-obama-familys-october-weekend-fundraising-getaway-to-san-diego-cost-taxpayers-2001468-90-in-travel-expenses-alone/

8t to 21t debt   worst pres of all time

worse than fdr who caused the gr8 depression!
Title: too informed to vote democrat
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:27:36 AM
http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/11/what-the-public-knows-about-the-political-parties/?src=prc-headline
Title: welfare should be a loan
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:33:46 AM
simple ideas

also if fed lets banks borrow why isnt debt paid by banks?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051012681


http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/120914-729778-cfpb-tells-lenders-dont-scrutinize-disability-recipients-applying-for-home-loans.htm
Title: ending public school and tax money to universities ...
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:36:41 AM
https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39304-ending-public-school-and-tax-money-to-universities/
Title: Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders hold solid leads in Iowa,
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:43:20 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/iowa-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-ted-cruz/index.html
Title: CNN hid its own POLL show ing TRUMP AHEAD MASSIVELY!!!
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:45:50 AM
&spfreload=10
Title: In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders LOL LOVE IT IF HE BEATS H
Post by: absfabs on January 22, 2016, 04:49:12 AM
Title: 90% of murderers on TV are businessmen
Post by: absfabs on February 25, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
Title: ONLY 6 STUDENTS GET TIX FOR DEBATE
Post by: absfabs on February 25, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/article/6-UH-students-among-debate-audience-6854481.php
Title: TRUMP has behngazi and email, how can Hillary win?
Post by: absfabs on February 25, 2016, 06:00:58 PM
seriously?
Title: Trump broke out the FLY SWAATTTAAA!!!
Post by: absfabs on February 25, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
woo wee that was fun to watch!!!

rubiobot !!
Title: Re: Trump broke out the FLY SWAATTTAAA!!!
Post by: absfabs on February 25, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
woo wee that was fun to watch!!!

rubiobot !!

Cruz like a woodpeker on crack but it didn't matter

Ben Carson 2nd bet guy on stage after MR  TRUMP got about 5min talking to moron kasich's 15
Title: Re: Trump broke out the FLY SWAATTTAAA!!!
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 25, 2016, 09:50:17 PM
Cruz like a woodpeker on crack but it didn't matter

Ben Carson 2nd bet guy on stage after MR  TRUMP got about 5min talking to moron kasich's 15

Ok, I actually laughed at that one.
Title: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 07:36:52 AM
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 07:41:20 AM





Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: Purge_WTF on February 28, 2016, 07:47:17 AM
 One of the best anti-Feminists out there.
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 07:59:50 AM


It's been my life ambition to fuck someone on death row!
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 08:09:40 AM
  every campus rape has turned out to be a lie     do TV and NEWSPAPERS CORRECT????
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 08:36:05 AM
  Why do you not like Hillary?


Because shes and evil robotic criminal!

LOLZ
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 08:56:51 AM


I would be an amazing PRESS SECRETARY  for TRUMP

Daddy doesn't feel like talking to you today, so I'm going shopping, put the questions in the box, see yaa!
Title: Re: My favorite GAY guy MILO!
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 07:58:03 PM


Feminist absurdities completely WRECKED by His Excellency Milo Yiannopoulos - MGTOW MRM MRA
Title: dems need to get educated about whats going on, great vid to help
Post by: absfabs on February 28, 2016, 08:15:41 PM


I sincerely want anyone who ever voted dem to watch and understand this.
Title: Re: dems need to get educated about whats going on, great vid to help
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2016, 10:18:24 PM


I sincerely want anyone who ever voted dem to watch and understand this.

You say nobody should vote dem...

Yet you support Trump over cruz?
Title: TRUMP LOL U CANT STOP HIM!!! LOOK!
Post by: absfabs on February 29, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
Title: democrats can't watch this all way through and not turn republican
Post by: absfabs on February 29, 2016, 04:53:47 PM
Title: TRUMP A DUMP DUMP I NEVER HESITATE TO PUT RUBIOBOT ON HIS RUMP!!
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 03:24:36 PM
LOLZ!!!


NUCLEAR BOMB ON RUBIO!!!! 

DID MY PART TODAY!!

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/robotsdowork/76963413/683272/683272_900.jpg)
Title: Re: TRUMP A DUMP DUMP I NEVER HESITATE TO PUT RUBIOBOT ON HIS RUMP!!
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 03:25:27 PM
LOLZ!!!


NUCLEAR BOMB ON RUBIO!!!! 

DID MY PART TODAY!!

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/robotsdowork/76963413/683272/683272_900.jpg)


YOU KNOW YOU LOVE TRUMP!!!!! HES THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF THE AMERICAN DREAM!!
Title: Milo Yiannopoulos My Address to the Men at University of Bristol
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Milo Yiannopoulos
Title: If you are put off a career in science by a few comments, how serious areu?
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 04:04:57 PM
Title: Milo on campus safe space
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Princess L on March 01, 2016, 04:30:55 PM
Did your recent vacation from Getbig not teach you anything?
Title: What is the "dangerous homo" tour?
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 04:33:02 PM
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 04:48:02 PM
Did your recent vacation from Getbig not teach you anything?

SO why does Coach and a few others get to post pro capitalism posts yet not me?
Title: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 05:37:33 PM
http://drudgereport.com/
Title: Re: Magikusar's daily/weekly musings
Post by: Dos Equis on March 01, 2016, 05:51:06 PM
SO why does Coach and a few others get to post pro capitalism posts yet not me?

You are a troll.  You and your prior gimmicks, which have been placed in timeout, flood the board with mindless, empty threads.  If you continue to do so you are going to take another vacation.  I have given you one thread where you post to your heart's content. 
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: 240 is Back on March 01, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Republican base voters are showing they care about populism and authoritarianism... but not conservatism.

They like a leader with a strong national message.  They don't care that he's essentially a democrat on most positions.

And the way he just wrecked the republican party and neutered top names like Rubio and Cruz.  They won't recover.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: _aj_ on March 01, 2016, 06:12:56 PM
Republican base voters are showing they care about populism and authoritarianism... but not conservatism.

They like a leader with a strong national message.  They don't care that he's essentially a democrat on most positions.

And the way he just wrecked the republican party and neutered top names like Rubio and Cruz.  They won't recover.

You have zero understanding of the motivations of republicans, so you really ought to just STFU on this. The republican trump voter has completely lost faith in the national party to do anything and they understand that even a man as horribly flawed as trump is a requirement to gut the national party and start again from conservative principles. If the national GOP wants to search for the blame for trump, it should start by looking in the mirror.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2016, 06:13:25 PM
Republican base voters are showing they care about populism and authoritarianism... but not conservatism.

They like a leader with a strong national message.  They don't care that he's essentially a democrat on most positions.

And the way he just wrecked the republican party and neutered top names like Rubio and Cruz.  They won't recover.

Trump is the Republican Obama. Full of talk and promises, short on how he's gonna accomplish it.  Says stupid things and contradicts himself, gets away with it.  Changes positions, no problem.  completely in over his head if he wins the job just like Obozo.

Just wait till the press let slip the dogs of war on Trump.  They haven't done it so far because they want him to be the nominee.  Once he gets the nomination, it's gonna be a shit storm while the press tries to get the Democrat elected.  Even Fox hates Trump.  They have been exposed as supporters of the Republican establishment.  They'd rather have that milquetoast douchebag Marco Rubio win the nomination and then get slaughtered in the general election like John McCain.  Head sup asses.  Turning a deaf ear to what the people want.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Republican base voters are showing they care about populism and authoritarianism... but not conservatism.

They like a leader with a strong national message.  They don't care that he's essentially a democrat on most positions.

And the way he just wrecked the republican party and neutered top names like Rubio and Cruz.  They won't recover.


Dude just vote for Hillary already, its ok.

Trump is riding wave of people sick of communism.   Capitalism will make america great again.   Big government caused all depressions and monopoly
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
Trump is the Republican Obama. Full of talk and promises, short on how he's gonna accomplish it.  Says stupid things and contradicts himself, gets away with it.  Changes positions, no problem.  completely in over his head if he wins the job just like Obozo.

Just wait till the press let slip the dogs of war on Trump.  They haven't done it so far because they want him to be the nominee.  Once he gets the nomination, it's gonna be a shit storm while the press tries to get the Democrat elected.  Even Fox hates Trump.  They have been exposed as supporters of the Republican establishment.  They'd rather have that milquetoast douchebag Marco Rubio win the nomination and then get slaughtered in the general election like John McCain.  Head sup asses.  Turning a deaf ear to what the people want.

HARDLY
Trump is the anti Obama.
He is a real success not a welfare grubbing political hack, and unlike Obama Trump will make america GREAT AGAIN.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2016, 06:19:49 PM
HARDLY
Trump is the anti Obama.
He is a real success not a welfare grubbing political hack, and unlike Obama Trump will make america GREAT AGAIN.

Trump differs from Obama in only one way, he has been successful running businesses.

The areas that they are the same are many.  Unqualified egotists full of hot air.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 01, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
HARDLY
Trump is the anti Obama.
He is a real success not a welfare grubbing political hack, and unlike Obama Trump will make america GREAT AGAIN.

LOL  How? - the jobs are moving to foreign countries faster than ever.  Americans want $8-12/hr minimum, while Chinese, Indians and Indonesians get paid a few dollars a day.

The USA is not sustainable and definitely not fixable.
Title: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: absfabs on March 01, 2016, 06:27:51 PM
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 06:53:01 PM
Trump differs from Obama in only one way, he has been successful running businesses.

The areas that they are the same are many.  Unqualified egotists full of hot air.

His numerous bankruptcies would say that's incorrect.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2016, 07:45:41 PM
His numerous bankruptcies would say that's incorrect.

You obviously don't understand business or bankruptcy protection, which is not a surprise to me.

Your post is something I would only expect from a complete simpleton. Perhaps you are not a simpleton and you're just saying something absurd in the hope that actual simpletons will see it and believe it.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: jude2 on March 01, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
His numerous bankruptcies would say that's incorrect.
Does he still have a couple million dollars  8)
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: el numero uno on March 01, 2016, 08:02:18 PM
LOL  How? - the jobs are moving to foreign countries faster than ever.  Americans want $8-12/hr minimum, while Chinese, Indians and Indonesians get paid a few dollars a day.

The USA is not sustainable and definitely not fixable.

They could heavily tax goods that are produced in low salaries countries and are also produced by the US.
 
They could back off with the taxing to companies in the US.

They could kick off illegal immigrants.

Etc, etc.

I'm sure it's not that simple but they can come up with something.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TheShape. on March 01, 2016, 08:12:39 PM
His numerous bankruptcies would say that's incorrect.
Horseshit! Out of the 100s of businesses he's owned 4 went under, he hasn't lost anything from that since he was smart about it and essentially jumped ship when those companies sank.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 08:58:39 PM
You obviously don't understand business or bankruptcy protection, which is not a surprise to me.

Your post is something I would only expect from a complete simpleton. Perhaps you are not a simpleton and you're just saying something absurd in the hope that actual simpletons will see it and believe it.

Yes. I'm simple.

So whatever you want to believe is fine. It matters not to me.

If you think that you can run a country like a business I've got some bad news for you.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Hypertrophy on March 01, 2016, 09:14:31 PM
Yes. I'm simple.

So whatever you want to believe is fine. It matters not to me.

If you think that you can run a country like a business I've got some bad news for you.

Well, the current crew in Washington DC has run up a $19,000,000,000,000 debt. So I'd posit that NOT running the country like a business hasn't worked out all that well, lol
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
Well, the current crew in Washington DC has run up a $19,000,000,000,000 debt. So I'd posit that NOT running the country like a business hasn't worked out all that well, lol

1 year of the GDP isn't really anything.

How many people making 100,000 a year have more than their yearly salary in debt?

Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2016, 09:33:07 PM
Yes. I'm simple.


Well, I'm glad to finally have that resolved once and for all.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Hypertrophy on March 01, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
1 year of the GDP isn't really anything.

How many people making 100,000 a year have more than their yearly salary in debt?



That's only what is listed "on budget". The unfunded liabilities of the US government are estimated to be in excess of $100 trillion dollars.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
Well, I'm glad to finally have that resolved once and for all.

Yes. I'm sure both of our lives are so much better now.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
That's only what is listed "on budget". The unfunded liabilities of the US government are estimated to be in excess of $100 trillion dollars.

Trump estimates he's worth 10billion.

Is that accurate?
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: Hypertrophy on March 01, 2016, 09:44:36 PM
Trump estimates he's worth 10billion.

Is that accurate?

Your guess is as good as mine! Forbes says he's worth $4.5B, Trump says more (up to $10B). Either way that's a lot of deniros :)

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes)
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: TuHolmes on March 01, 2016, 09:46:25 PM
Your guess is as good as mine! Forbes says he's worth $4.5B, Trump says more (up to $10B). Either way that's a lot of deniros :)

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes)

Certainly is.

Money doesn't buy class. That much is obvious though.
Title: Re: TRUMP: AL, GA, MA, TN, VA, VT
Post by: 240 is Back on March 01, 2016, 09:49:04 PM
this election season is highly entertaining, gotta admit that.

Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 02, 2016, 06:41:07 AM
Not listening to the kunt speak but I agree that people side with Trump.  Over the last 8 years the underlying racism in America surfaced real fast.  Someone like Trump speaks to a big chunk of this country.  His messages of Fuck the Chinese, Fuck the Mexicans etc.... resonates loudly.  Where other politicians are sucking the cocks of the chinks and wetbacks he's pushing back at them.  The one thing I want to see from Trump is an actually plan to his campaign.  he just seems to talk about the current topic and never really talks about how he's going to execute his plan.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: residue on March 02, 2016, 06:54:37 AM
when was the last time a republican president won the popular vote, bush the 1st? her idea of "most" isnt exactly factual
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: TheShape. on March 02, 2016, 07:04:57 AM
http://gfycat.com/HighlevelObedientGilamonster
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: Purge_WTF on March 02, 2016, 07:08:15 AM
 From the Alex Jones website:

 Former Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee told Fox News this morning that Donald Trump’s success represents a peaceful “overthrow of the government” and that the Republican establishment should be glad it’s being achieved with “ballots not bullets.”

Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: 240 is Back on March 02, 2016, 07:13:05 AM
From the Alex Jones website:

 Former Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee told Fox News this morning that Donald Trump’s success represents a peaceful “overthrow of the government” and that the Republican establishment should be glad it’s being achieved with “ballots not bullets.”

Bush white house press boss Ari fleischer has called Trump a 911 Truther.

Trump is VERY good friends with alex jones, the biggest 911 truther in the country.

Trump keeps saying "brought down the buildings" in interviews.

And the majority of americans (something like 80%) doubt the official 911 commission report, which one of its authors called "a whitewash".


Republicans, you're about to choose a 911 Truther who takes his orders from Alex Jones.  This shit is laughable!!!
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: Yamcha on March 02, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
Bush white house press boss Ari fleischer has called Trump a 911 Truther.

Trump is VERY good friends with alex jones, the biggest 911 truther in the country.

Trump keeps saying "brought down the buildings" in interviews.

And the majority of americans (something like 80%) doubt the official 911 commission report, which one of its authors called "a whitewash".


Republicans, you're about to choose a 911 Truther who takes his orders from Alex Jones.  This shit is laughable!!!

Sometimes it feels like you are holding conversations with yourself in this forum.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: mazrim on March 02, 2016, 07:21:50 AM


Republicans, you're about to choose a 911 Truther who takes his orders from Alex Jones.  This shit is laughable!!!
Not really a good point since dems are about to choose Hilary. Both are bad with Hilary being proven a bit moreso at this point. A lot of people are just dumb unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: doison on March 02, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
Sometimes it feels like you are holding conversations with yourself in this forum.

Yeah, Rob has turned wack job in the past year
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: TheShape. on March 02, 2016, 09:31:09 AM
Sometimes it feels like you are holding conversations with yourself in this forum.
This is the same guy who told me it was going to be a Trump/Rubio ticket. He's a mess. Sad!
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: Straw Man on March 02, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
What a ridiculous and blatanly false statement by Coulter

Most Republicans (as in 50.01%) don't agree with Trump, much less most Americans

WTF is with the constant lying by this insufferable c.u.n.t
Title: Re: Ann Coulter: 'Most Americans Agree With Trump' | The Last Word | MSNBC
Post by: Las Vegas on March 02, 2016, 10:35:06 AM
Bush white house press boss Ari fleischer has called Trump a 911 Truther.

Trump is VERY good friends with alex jones, the biggest 911 truther in the country.

Trump keeps saying "brought down the buildings" in interviews.

And the majority of americans (something like 80%) doubt the official 911 commission report, which one of its authors called "a whitewash".


Republicans, you're about to choose a 911 Truther who takes his orders from Alex Jones.  This shit is laughable!!!

Does it mean he could initiate something of a real investigation, if he had the authority to do that?  The fact that the question exists is probably his biggest obstacle to taking power, IMO, because I've no doubt it's causing high anxiety among some very powerful people.
Title: Rubiobot won Minnesota!
Post by: absfabs on March 02, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
woo hoo!!

lol

Title: youtube of Donald nuking Hitlery! Make jobs? shes had years and won't
Post by: absfabs on March 02, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
Title: Obama is by far the worst president of all time, not even close 8t to 21t!!!
Post by: absfabs on March 03, 2016, 04:26:49 AM
What people are missing is the obvious:    The majority want trump!   

The majority want trump!

We don't want to Obama the economy any more!!!!   8t to 21t debt is enough!!!!!

WE need to get back to capitalism and success. 

Lower pay for lawyers  unions teachers and othe government agents who are vastly overpaid!! 

Lower restrictions on businesss and production and trade and education!

Cut government spending!!  Stop funding solyandra green science adventures based on lies!!
Title: Re: Obama is by far the worst president of all time, not even close 8t to 21t!!!
Post by: andreisdaman on March 03, 2016, 07:06:40 AM
What people are missing is the obvious:    The majority want trump!   

The majority want trump!

We don't want to Obama the economy any more!!!!   8t to 21t debt is enough!!!!!

WE need to get back to capitalism and success. 

Lower pay for lawyers  unions teachers and othe government agents who are vastly overpaid!! 

Lower restrictions on businesss and production and trade and education!

Cut government spending!!  Stop funding solyandra green science adventures based on lies!!

Just so you'll know, the United States now gets 5% of its energy from solar/wind/clean energy...thats amazing when you think about it because the U.S. did nothing to get itself weaned off of oil dependence for a long time...thats a big accomplish ment...credit goes to Obama.....all of your other arguments are BS as well..edxcept for the national debt...Obama has to answer for that....BUT...deficits have gone down SEVEN straight years....Obama has been showing great fiscal restraint
Title: The Donald will deliver another ass whipping tonight!!
Post by: absfabs on March 03, 2016, 02:59:55 PM
NO DOUBTS

Title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lybr4EPkZRE TRUMP LIVE!!
Post by: absfabs on March 03, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Title: A brokered convention won't happen unless TRUMP isn't leader, and heiz!
Post by: absfabs on March 03, 2016, 04:32:07 PM
A brokered convention occurs when none of the presidential candidates enters their party’s national convention having won enough delegates during the primaries and caucuses to secure the nomination.

Title: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: absfabs on March 04, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
http://observer.com/2016/03/megyn-kelly-2016-is-candy-crowley-2012/

But the question remains: Should debate moderators really be “wiping the floor” and “going for the jugular” with candidates? Even when—especially when—they’re wrong on the facts?
Title: My attempt to have a post not moved by moderator
Post by: absfabs on March 04, 2016, 05:41:23 PM
Simple

1 question

Why don't socialists and socialist society offer free house and car and food?

Why is there no country with that?
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: The True Adonis on March 04, 2016, 05:43:51 PM
Go wipe your butthole.
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: doison on March 04, 2016, 05:52:55 PM
Go wipe your butthole.

I get it.  You make comedy for us!
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: absfabs on March 04, 2016, 05:53:16 PM
Just three days earlier, NBC News ran an extensive exploration of the “ratings” question. It was a fact-check piece based on Mr. Trump making the same “A Rating” claim on Meet the Press. In a story headlined “Better Business Bureau: Trump Right on ‘A’ Rating

Hey Adonis hows the roids?
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: The True Adonis on March 04, 2016, 05:53:56 PM
Just three days earlier, NBC News ran an extensive exploration of the “ratings” question. It was a fact-check piece based on Mr. Trump making the same “A Rating” claim on Meet the Press. In a story headlined “Better Business Bureau: Trump Right on ‘A’ Rating

Hey Adonis hows the roids?
What roids?
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: absfabs on March 04, 2016, 06:08:26 PM
ones your on to get cut while starving yerself
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: The True Adonis on March 04, 2016, 06:09:30 PM
ones your on to get cut while starving yerself
???
Title: Re: Megyn Kelly 2016 Is Candy Crowley 2012
Post by: Walter Sobchak on March 04, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Just three days earlier, NBC News ran an extensive exploration of the “ratings” question. It was a fact-check piece based on Mr. Trump making the same “A Rating” claim on Meet the Press. In a story headlined “Better Business Bureau: Trump Right on ‘A’ Rating

Hey Adonis hows the roids?

This is a shit gimmick.

Princess L......banhammer now!
Title: Obama: totally imcompetent 21T debt jacked USA Trump built 10B corp emply 100k
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 02:12:10 AM
sums it up

yes

Obama is an incompetent person who ran usa into the ground

Yes Trump generated wealth for himself and 100s of 1000s

yes
Title: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 02:56:38 AM
Why would anyone vote for more of the utter destruction of Obama?  or for policies like Bill Clinton who sqandered the internet boom and caused 2008 depression with government banking and mortgages to people who won't pay?

21T debt

21T

8T all other presidents combined
+13T obama
21TTTT!!!!!! 21,000,000,000,000

Overpaid government mafia waste fraud abuse, giving money to foriegners, and paying pensions that were never earned adn so called scientists to restrict business to save frogs while teaching kids lies about global warming!  Solyandra 550mil just here to unemployable enviro sci academics, and there were 1000s of other so called green loans, Nothing but mafia payouts

Socialism didn't work for hitler stalin mao or Obama!  lets get away from failure of europe and copy sweden with low tax low regulation capitalism that we are the masters of when not led by stupid people!!
Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 05, 2016, 03:06:36 AM
Because the country has changed more and more from a producer to a service economy and a debt machine, people are not needed in workforce and more and more going to rely on the govt. Dem party makes it clear who to vote in for free stuff while winning hearts on a few social issues, and quite frankly out-marketing the repub "capitalists".

The short answer is people are insulated by cheap food, housing and entertainment and don't give a shit about govt debt or corruption unless it means their phone gets turned off.
Title: Now I am going to be GREEDY for the UNITED STATES -TRUMP FUKK YEAH!! https://ww
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 03:10:09 AM

Now I am going to be GREEDY for the UNITED STATES -TRUMP FUKK YEAH!!

Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 03:15:04 AM
No we are run by stupid people.

They restrict (they prefer word regulate which is mental disease word implying it has ever worked and is beneficial, which is a lie) production so business HAS to fight crony communism every step of the way!

Government is the only thing that can cause monopoly or depressions.

Capitalism is endless boom.

Remember FDR caused the great depression.  IF the market had been allowed to correct, and biz allowed to fail (GM obama?) then in 1 year depression OVER.

buttt nooooo you got fed printing monopoly money causing your buying power to go down while handing the money to tax spenders who give it to academics who can't compete

mafia style

21T debt

skinny community organizer ran this country into the ground hard n fast

now trump has to make it GREAT again

dems always crash the economy, just like clinton crashed the huge power fo the new free market called the internet and raised gov spending and then caused 2008 by forcing gov  loan machinest o give free money to people who wont pay thier mortgage      2008 seee john allison on youtube
Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 11:38:12 AM


Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
rubio should be in FL campaigning... instead he's at CPAC sucking up to the base donors.
Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 05, 2016, 02:12:03 PM
FDR was not president before the Great Depression. I got you but slow down there chief.
Title: Re: Democrats are just fucking Dumb
Post by: absfabs on March 05, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
FDR was not president before the Great Depression. I got you but slow down there chief.

Right he got in as it wound up and didnt let it die.

He made it


GREAT
Title: TRUMP MORE AHEAD OF PACK THAN HILLARY Trump12 Cruz6 Hillary 11 Bernusa 7
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 07:53:09 AM
The state tally sheets so far: 12 wins for Trump; six for Cruz and one for Rubio. For the Democrats, 11 for Clinton and seven for Sanders.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c951f3ce70d44811b9a3b3188401d9d1/latest-votes-deliver-anything-clarity-gop-race
Title: Why republicans are moral and good and dems are evil, according to Oscar Wilde
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 07:55:42 AM


    Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
        Oscar Wilde
        Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)   

Title: TRUMP set to pull ahead of Cruz with big winner take all states coming!! YEAH!
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:16:45 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html#!
Title: 563 vs 468 Hillary vs bernie without super aka vot against people delegates
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:23:54 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

Holy shit Hillary shave shead without superdelegates!
Title: Re: TRUMP set to pull ahead of Cruz with big winner take all states coming!! YEAH!
Post by: 240 is Back on March 06, 2016, 08:29:27 AM
trump is a lifelong democrat that entered the race to give the presidency to clinton.

you'll see in a few months.
Title: Re: Why republicans are moral and good and dems are evil, according to Oscar Wilde
Post by: 240 is Back on March 06, 2016, 08:31:36 AM
for fcccks sake...

you worship trump in ten threads a day, but you also hate democrats.

have you looked at trump's policy positions?   80% of them are democrats.  As are his lifetime donations.  He built 5/8 of the gang of 8 with donations.

Why aren't you supporting Cruz, an ACTUAL republican?   Supporting trump while hating democrats is like only dating strippers because you hate prostitutes.  Technically not the same thing, but really really close.
Title: Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton Hold Big Leads in Michigan: Poll
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:39:08 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-hold-big-leads-michigan-poll-n532576
Title: TRUMP GRABS KY LA
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:44:02 AM
:)

Title: Re: Why republicans are moral and good and dems are evil, according to Oscar Wilde
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:49:14 AM
lets go down the list my low iq friend
not dem position
1 immigration    
2 common core GONE
3 505B trade deficit with china  58B def with mexico a ok   NOT any more Obama!
4 Veterans treated like shit   NOT GUNA HAPPEN anymore
5 Wall with mexico
6 Sanctuary cities
7 ban on arabs coming to country until we know whats going on
8  IRAN DEAL  gone   foriegn policy win win win coming when trump prez!
9 OBAMACARE GONE
10 kkk disavowed, Hillary---> byrd a kk dragon my mentor


OK there is 10/10 100% difference, nuking your stupid 20% number
Dude you are a white male hating guy who hates republicans and hates small government, nuff said.
You can take this spanking and reread it anytime you want to cross wits with me.
You low iq quarter wit.


Bring up another ISSUe and I will SHOW you how TRUMP is WAY MORE THAN 20%  opposite of DEMS!!
BRing one up!!
LOL
Title: Re: TRUMP set to pull ahead of Cruz with big winner take all states coming!! YEAH!
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
its guna get bad for ted   look at FL NC counts WINNER TAKE ALL and HUUUUGE     MO?
 lol

its guna get real quick for lyin ted!
Title: LA KY way bigger than ME KS but PRESS ALL SAYING OOW TRUMP LOST LOL
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 08:59:40 AM
so biased!!

Title: Bernie lecturing an EMPTY congress warning on Iraq war. Pretty amazing now
Post by: The True Adonis on March 06, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
Title: Why are democrats not called communists/fascists? Why is soviet russia blankout?
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 06:30:14 PM
Its like we learned that fascism/communism/nazism fails, yet we want to implement it.

Why is this so?

Aren't people aware of history? Or has an alternate democrat history been quietly substituted?  explaining it so its ok to vote dem despite the facts?
Title: Re: TRUMP MORE AHEAD OF PACK THAN HILLARY Trump12 Cruz6 Hillary 11 Bernusa 7
Post by: absfabs on March 06, 2016, 06:46:36 PM
 ;D
Title: Trump wins 2 big states, Cruz 2 small, MEDIA says people don't want TRUMP LOL
Post by: absfabs on March 07, 2016, 03:41:28 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Title: Why do you not vote republican?
Post by: absfabs on March 07, 2016, 03:47:14 AM
To me it is so stupid to vote dem.
Dems ruin economy and run USA into a ditch, ignoring the constitution, which limits government, and is reason we are different and no1.
Why copy europe? We have higher standard of living by far.  They should copy USA.   USA and Hong KOng show capitalism is the way.
Crony communism is result of government spending too much.  We should lower the debt ceiling to 1T and cut spending until we are there.
End all that spending cluding public school and all pensions, which were never earned.  If you paid in you get that back, not a penny more.  Right now pensions secretly baloon, and thats why dems don't mind obamacare since they are tax spenders.   Cut other spending until deficit 0.  Ideally we should run a surplus overall not just each year.
Flat tax is no brainer, and Carly genius to bring up 0 base costing where each program must justify that it is adding value or be auto eliminated each year.
De regulate so schools can open in free market, same as agile hospitals with mod tek.  Pay lawyers n judges 1% of what take now and end prison crony communism.  All prison run as gov agency no outsouring to predatory crony commy.
Title: Re: Bernie lecturing an EMPTY congress warning on Iraq war. Pretty amazing now
Post by: absfabs on March 07, 2016, 03:51:20 AM
One thing I agree on is war is stupid.

The problem is China is taking over ocean areas it does not own.

What would Bernie do with that?

I think merchants should be charged for warships to guard tradeships.

Letting unregualted manufacturing back into usa would solve many of these problems.

High paid clean factory job is how USA could get lazy population who don't like learning to be productive.
Title: Re: Obama: totally imcompetent 21T debt jacked USA Trump built 10B corp emply 100k
Post by: absfabs on March 07, 2016, 03:53:33 AM
 ;D

crickets
Title: Re: Why are democrats not called communists/fascists? Why is soviet russia blankout?
Post by: absfabs on March 07, 2016, 03:59:18 AM
 ;D

 :o


silence deafening
Title: Re: Why do you not vote republican?
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 07, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
They can't answer why they vote Dem/lib. You really expect them to give an honest answer this question?lol
Title: Re: Why do you not vote republican?
Post by: Las Vegas on March 07, 2016, 08:00:54 AM
What's the difference between Hilary and Rubio, say?

 ???

Help me understand.
Title: Re: Why do you not vote republican?
Post by: TuHolmes on March 07, 2016, 08:17:31 AM
So you're saying only people who pay should be able to go to school?

Hey Coach. Did your kid go to private school his entire life?
Title: Re: My attempt to have a post not moved by moderator
Post by: Primemuscle on March 09, 2016, 06:58:34 PM
Simple

1 question

Why don't socialists and socialist society offer free house and car and food?

Why is there no country with that?

Some socialists are working on these benefits....well maybe not the automobile part. Affordable housing is high on politicians' list of things to accomplish. Free food has been around for the needy for a very long time....think food stamps or now credit cards pre-loaded with the amount for which you qualify. Also, food banks are very busy these days.
Title: Re: Why do you not vote republican?
Post by: Primemuscle on March 09, 2016, 07:04:04 PM
What's the difference between Hilary and Rubio, say?

 ???

Help me understand.

No difference really. Both will say whatever people/voters want to hear. This is the nature of politics and politicians. It is the reason Trump is doing so well right now. Folks don't care if it's a lie as long as it coincides with their views.
Title: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: gothorium on January 30, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
HE is better than I even expected.
Holy shit.
Whole mind universe is changing.
Liz Warren in MA under attach huge 1.3mil loan scandal, Kurt Shilling should replace her.
San Fran will be starved out and say uncle.
Next the education cartel.
Then supreme court tuesday.
(http://www.billpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Steve-Reeves-Arax.jpg)
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: Yamcha on January 30, 2017, 08:13:52 AM
BOOM!

BREAKING: Trump to sign exec. order this morning requiring that for every 1 new regulation, 2 regulations have to be revoked - sr. official
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: falco on January 30, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
How far has this fucked up world gone, that a guy with a will of change, just gets hate and closed doors.
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: mass243 on January 30, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
How far has this fucked up world gone, that a guy with a will of change, just gets hate and closed doors.

It's the establishment trying to hang on to their power. The grip is slipping already. They are throwing every means they can to retain their position and the sick world order we have witnessed for the past few decades.
The battle will be vigorous.

Trump is basically executing the guys.
Of course they fight for their lives.
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: Primemuscle on January 30, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
Sadly, most of us are mere peons, watching the real action from afar in the cheap seats with the peanut gallery. ;)

This!
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: gothorium on January 30, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Peons maybe, but what a show!
Imagine is education was cut off from government funds and assets solf off.
If thorium atomic was allowed and all green party memebers deported.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe Made Economic advisor.
Yaron Brook placed in charge of ending the Fed.
John A Allison to help him while Fannie and Freddy are dismantled along with all housing regulations.
Banning of zonign laws at state level.
Rule that legal system must now cost 90% less.
Judges replaced with software.
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: gothorium on January 30, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/youre-fired-trump-fires-ag-for-betrayal/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/youre-fired-trump-fires-ag-for-betrayal/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/youre-fired-trump-fires-ag-for-betrayal/)

Attourney general bye bye!! out out get her out!
Title: Proximity to people makes land valueable, why not tax only that?
Post by: gothorium on January 30, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism)
Title: Re: Proximity to people makes land valueable, why not tax only that?
Post by: gothorium on January 30, 2017, 11:33:37 PM
http://progressandpoverty.org/files/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Progress-and-Poverty_-Centenary-Edition-Henry-George.pdf (http://progressandpoverty.org/files/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Progress-and-Poverty_-Centenary-Edition-Henry-George.pdf)
Title: Will Trump reform and make cheaper the legal system?
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 02:45:53 AM
http://makeagif.com/i/-ohTXD

I personally think judges and lawyers etc are paid 100x too much.
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 08:52:32 AM
Can I love Trump any more?

Safe zones in the arab states now a reality!
Title: Enviro wakkos and liars BTFO
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/31/delingpole-trumps-climate-plans-made-medias-heads-explode/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/31/delingpole-trumps-climate-plans-made-medias-heads-explode/)
Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: Yamcha on January 31, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
He's about to crack down on H-1B visas.
Title: False rape accusations
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 02:29:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pfbiQHouOw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pfbiQHouOw)

Title: Re: My smug over Trump win is only growing.
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
He's about to crack down on H-1B visas.

yep raised to 130k!
I say just ban them all!
Full disclosure I am a computer guy American.
Title: What would endin public school and allowing free market in university and lower
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 09:58:31 PM
do?

pesonal computer down in price up in power each year

why wouldnt same happen for education?

and all those useless professor and teacher could now be refocused to do something practical and capitalist
Title: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
I dont want this hidden by BS history!

8T to 21T  +13T vs all other presidents combined 8T

and we got jack for it!
road airport all crumbling
spending on dumb stuff outa control
both elections stolen
syria n libya wars messes ISIS
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: FanBoi on January 31, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
“It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it".

Mark Twain thanks you for proving him correct.

I dont want this hidden by BS history!

8T to 21T  +13T vs all other presidents combined 8T

and we got jack for it!
road airport all crumbling
spending on dumb stuff outa control
both elections stolen
syria n libya wars messes ISIS
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: sync pulse on January 31, 2017, 10:39:55 PM
You are Magikusar...aren't you?
Title: Re: What would endin public school and allowing free market in university and lower
Post by: sync pulse on January 31, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
You are Magikusar...aren't you?
Title: Re: What would endin public school and allowing free market in university and lower
Post by: gothorium on January 31, 2017, 10:45:42 PM
nope
whos that?
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: gothorium on February 01, 2017, 07:31:53 AM
Worse than Buchanan on unifying the nation in 1859-60?
Worse than Hoover in 1929 for the economy?
Really?

Obama had his issues, but you'd really have to be biased to say he was worse than those 2 Presidents.
You mean of course FDR who caused the great depression?
Title: Trump: ‘I Don’t Watch CNN’ Because ‘I Don’t Like Watching Fake News’
Post by: gothorium on February 01, 2017, 10:06:00 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/02/01/trump-i-dont-watch-cnn-because-i-dont-like-watching-fake-news/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/02/01/trump-i-dont-watch-cnn-because-i-dont-like-watching-fake-news/)
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: TuHolmes on February 01, 2017, 01:29:47 PM
You mean of course FDR who caused the great depression?

How did FDR cause this great depression when the crash happened before he took office?

I understand the "idea" that government intervention made things take longer to recover or whatever, but there is no actual fact that shows this to be the case.

It's just theory and belief.
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: Dos Equis on February 01, 2017, 01:51:51 PM
How did FDR cause this great depression when the crash happened before he took office?

I understand the "idea" that government intervention made things take longer to recover or whatever, but there is no actual fact that shows this to be the case.

It's just theory and belief.

You got me blocked on PMs.
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: TuHolmes on February 01, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
You got me blocked on PMs.
I'm a buffoon.

I got rid of it. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: Dos Equis on February 01, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
I'm a buffoon.

I got rid of it. Sorry about that.

No worries.
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: gothorium on February 01, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
How did FDR cause this great depression when the crash happened before he took office?

I understand the "idea" that government intervention made things take longer to recover or whatever, but there is no actual fact that shows this to be the case.

It's just theory and belief.
Title: Re: I want to go on record saying Obama was worst ever
Post by: TuHolmes on February 01, 2017, 09:08:35 PM


So what does that have to do with FDR?

The first part talks about the Federal Reserve. Which had nothing to do with FDR. He didn't create on it.
Since he didn't become president until 1933. 4 YEARS after the Crash of 1929.

Even then, he is speaking in conjecture. You can't prove that his policies made it worse. It's just this a belief.

Unless you can go back in time and change what happened to see a different outcome, it's all theory.

I understand the premise that he's making and it's very possible that it's correct, but we can't prove it.
Title: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: gothorium on February 03, 2017, 01:20:22 AM
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446 (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446)

SMug so massive its imploding into a black hole!!

God emperor!!!
Title: American Africans create row over talentless black woman quitting in huff
Post by: gothorium on February 03, 2017, 01:22:08 AM
http://www.thewrap.com/tamron-hall-megyn-kelly-today-show-nbc-black-journalists-whitewashing/ (http://www.thewrap.com/tamron-hall-megyn-kelly-today-show-nbc-black-journalists-whitewashing/)

Why to american africans get to bitch abuot eveyrthing and be taken seriously by legal (((system)))?
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: Skeeter on February 03, 2017, 05:34:54 AM
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446 (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Trump-warns-Israel-Stop-announcing-new-settlements-480446)

SMug so massive its imploding into a black hole!!

God emperor!!!

Good. I hope he backs up his words with some sanctions.
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: mazrim on February 03, 2017, 06:03:49 AM
Big mistake if he continues Obama's treatment of them. Seems as if a lot of people do not have any idea the history of what is going on there and the "border".

Sounds as if they are still not sure what they are going to do foreign policy-wise in regards to Israel.
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: mass243 on February 03, 2017, 06:58:20 AM

That's a right thing to say.
I'm not that interested in Israel (their influence and importance is greatly exaggerated by conspiracy theories anyway) and have quite neutral view of them.
But: they were given certain amount of the land and certain portion was allocated for Palestinians.
The above should be respected by both sides. Both sides need to calm the fuck down and just live peaceful life. There's enough room for both.
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: James on February 03, 2017, 07:55:38 AM
Big mistake if he continues Obama's treatment of them. Seems as if a lot of people do not have any idea the history of what is going on there and the "border".

THIS
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 03, 2017, 08:06:01 AM
Wink Wink Nod nod



and the building continues  . . . . .
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: GigantorX on February 03, 2017, 08:13:52 AM
Big mistake if he continues Obama's treatment of them. Seems as if a lot of people do not have any idea the history of what is going on there and the "border".

Sounds as if they are still not sure what they are going to do foreign policy-wise in regards to Israel.

He's not, it's actually a huge reversal of past policy and stance towards Israel and this topic. The media has, yet again, twisted things and engaged in selective, deceptive reporting.

Fake News!
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: James on February 03, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
Wink Wink Nod nod



and the building continues  . . . . .

yep
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: Skeeter on February 03, 2017, 10:54:16 AM
Wink Wink Nod nod



and the building continues  . . . . .

Probably.
Title: Re: Trump warns Israel: Stop announcing new settlements
Post by: GigantorX on February 03, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
THIS

Read the details.

He's not.
Title: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: gothorium on February 03, 2017, 11:13:02 PM


Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: Mobil on February 04, 2017, 01:34:33 AM
Someone else said this on here and i laughed...if JFK were alive today as a old school liberal he would be tied up and burned alive by they new "liberals"
Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: falco on February 04, 2017, 01:40:04 AM




Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: Yamcha on February 04, 2017, 07:02:10 AM
Someone else said this on here and i laughed...if JFK were alive today as a old school liberal he would be tied up and burned alive by they new "liberals"

(https://i.reddituploads.com/1ddbfe566635405daa0ab3b0e0c6fa01?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=a34e6bec2a2b8c117ffe839e8d12ec0e)
Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: Slapper on February 04, 2017, 07:20:19 AM
That's because back in the 60s, the democratic and republican parties were the exact opposite of what they are today.

The democratic party used to be known as "the white men's party".

Most people are taken aback when finding out that the political party that has fought the most for civil rights, middle class America is the republican party.
Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: gothorium on February 04, 2017, 08:53:05 AM
JFK was a commy like FDR.

We need to cut gov spending and controls 90%

get back to 1800s with 20% growth and no government help

99% less lawyers judges and laws
Title: HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous
Post by: gothorium on February 04, 2017, 08:53:44 AM
HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous (ID: UmxxB/za) 02/04/17(Sat)10:34:46 No.111016100▶>>111016212 >>111016230 >>111016340 >>111017682 >>111017781 >>111019447

    "Look Who Funds The Group Behind The Call To Arms At Milo’s Berkeley Event"
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/)
Title: Re: HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous
Post by: Yamcha on February 04, 2017, 09:07:50 AM
YUP!

Take this with a grain of salt, but Reddit's the_Donald had an AMA w/ a personal friend of President Trump; he's a founding member of Trump National Golf Club, and one of the most influential and highly-recognized advisors to the Trump campaign’s online and digital efforts. As a professional he is a Partner and Creative Director at one of New York’s most successful marketing and consulting agencies, and continues to consult and advise behind the scenes during the Trump administration.

Here is what he said about Soros:

We are well aware of liberals and the destruction they are capable of. We are also well aware of George Soros and his influence, particularly financially, with America's biggest social problems. Even more importantly, Soros knows that we know and is already attempting to hide his financial network from us to avoid whats coming his way. His son has taken over US operations while he attempts to rally Europe behind Anti-Trumpism. It wont work - the money flow will soon cease as will his power to influence our great nation. Until then, keep his name in the headlines so he feels the heat. Berkeley is partially a reaction to our most recent moves.

 ;)
Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: Yamcha on February 04, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
JFK was a commy like FDR.

We need to cut gov spending and controls 90%

get back to 1800s with 20% growth and no government help

99% less lawyers judges and laws

LOL! That would take work ethic and personal accountability, and everyone under the age of 40 doesn't seem to have that any more.

Title: Re: HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous
Post by: Mobil on February 04, 2017, 12:51:06 PM
He's got too much money and power...if they throw his ass in jail he will still operate...just do a hit on him...done
Title: Re: democrats are wrong about everything and socialism is poison
Post by: gothorium on February 04, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
LOL! That would take work ethic and personal accountability, and everyone under the age of 40 doesn't seem to have that any more.



Work or starve makes people get busy.
At the same time it frees motivated to really explode the economy into huge growth.
Imagine if not need license to  build 100 houses?
Title: Re: HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous
Post by: kogba on February 04, 2017, 02:06:59 PM
Declare him a National Security threat, seize all his money and fortune in favour of the State, and adios amigo, amen.
Title: Re: HAPPENING: Trump Going after Soros Anonymous
Post by: gothorium on February 04, 2017, 06:58:08 PM
He's got too much money and power...if they throw his ass in jail he will still operate...just do a hit on him...done


/thread
Title: Shots fired! Feminists call sexbots evil! It has begun!
Post by: gothorium on February 04, 2017, 07:10:33 PM
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/111050795#p111062337 (http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/111050795#p111062337)
Title: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: gothorium on February 05, 2017, 02:15:42 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/04/stunner-muslim-student-faked-vile-hate-crime-to-get-people-to-pay-attention-to-him/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/04/stunner-muslim-student-faked-vile-hate-crime-to-get-people-to-pay-attention-to-him/)

crime is a crime
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 05, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
It happens a lot.  More fake hate crimes than real ones I think.  Hate crime legislation is pretty fucking stupid to begin with.

Hate is an emotion.  People are allowed to hate.  The govt can't force people to like each other.
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 05, 2017, 09:01:48 AM
I read one about a female student in nyc I believe who said some dudes harassed her and took her head scarf from her. After investigating it was determined to be fake. She told the police that she was out at a party and didn't want her parents to know. Disgusting.
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: gothorium on February 05, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
It happens a lot.  More fake hate crimes than real ones I think.  Hate crime legislation is pretty fucking stupid to begin with.

Hate is an emotion.  People are allowed to hate.  The govt can't force people to like each other.

same as fake rape accusations
Title: Re: Shots fired! Feminists call sexbots evil! It has begun!
Post by: gothorium on February 05, 2017, 09:38:57 AM
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/111050795#p111062337 (http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/111050795#p111062337)

Why is the male contraceptive pill taking so long?
When men choos ewhen they have a kid things will massively change.
Reduce gov spending 99% and controls 99% elminate 99% laws.
Property and contracts.
Cancel all gov contracts.
:)
When all interations are win win......economic grwoth explodes as seen in the great 1800s usa, chile, hong kong, etc etc
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: Skeletor on February 05, 2017, 11:04:37 AM
I read one about a female student in nyc I believe who said some dudes harassed her and took her head scarf from her. After investigating it was determined to be fake. She told the police that she was out at a party and didn't want her parents to know. Disgusting.

Yep.

Muslim college student made up Trump supporter subway attack story to avoid punishment for missing curfew

A Muslim student who said she was harassed on the subway by drunken, hate-spewing white men shouting “Donald Trump!” lied to police because she broke her curfew, law enforcement sources said Wednesday.

Yasmin Seweid, 18, joined a growing list of local and national alleged hate-crime victims when she told cops she was taunted Dec. 1 on the No. 6 train by three men who called her a terrorist and tried to snatch her hijab off her head while straphangers did nothing.

But Seweid finally broke down Wednesday and was arrested after she admitted to detectives that it was all a big lie.

“Nothing happened, and there was no victim,” a police source said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944
Title: Far right means normal capitalist person.....because media is extreme socialist.
Post by: gothorium on February 05, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?board=51.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?board=51.0)
Title: violence is not free speech, when are cops guna be forced to arrest violent prot
Post by: gothorium on February 05, 2017, 09:03:43 PM
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/anti-trump-protesters-block-ambulance/ (http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/anti-trump-protesters-block-ambulance/)
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 05, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
The truth usually comes out eventually when it comes to this stuff. 

Fake rapes, fake oppression, fake hate crimes, fake racism.
Title: Re: minorities faking hate crimes, lets get rid of hate crime laws
Post by: Yamcha on February 06, 2017, 05:06:05 AM
There were two Jewish teenagers going around spray painting swastikas everywhere not too long ago.

Silly.
Title: Democrats raelly are loony bins
Post by: gothorium on February 06, 2017, 02:51:41 PM
http://observer.com/2017/02/prospect-park-mayor-mohamed-khairullah-wins-kudos-for-sanctuary-city-exec-order/ (http://observer.com/2017/02/prospect-park-mayor-mohamed-khairullah-wins-kudos-for-sanctuary-city-exec-order/)
Title: White House Releases List Of Terror Attacks It Considers Underreported By Media
Post by: gothorium on February 06, 2017, 07:08:29 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/the-78-terror-attacks-the-white-house-believes-the-dishonest-media-underreported/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/the-78-terror-attacks-the-white-house-believes-the-dishonest-media-underreported/)
Title: Trump approve above 50% even with fake news in all out atack! LOL
Post by: gothorium on February 08, 2017, 08:26:47 AM
(https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16462902_1251987911536192_6889538853075802939_o.png?oh=07ac6330887a3b9f65eed14586ea5559&oe=59044351)
Title: Re: Trump approve above 50% even with fake news in all out atack! LOL
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 08, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
Rasmussen has him at 53%. Left is falling apart
Title: Re: Trump approve above 50% even with fake news in all out atack! LOL
Post by: gothorium on February 08, 2017, 09:52:56 AM
(https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/16387208_1251960371538946_5374069180133349043_n.png?oh=5dac87ece913df7d0b4c3124e0c23ed5&oe=594608F7)
Title: yaron brook is basically then man, should be benevolent dictator
Post by: gothorium on February 08, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
thank me later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4IMPBI_csk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4IMPBI_csk)
Title: liz warren and logic
Post by: gothorium on February 09, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
http://www.aei.org/publication/venn-diagram-of-the-day-do-progressives-like-sen-elizabeth-warren-support-competition-or-not/ (http://www.aei.org/publication/venn-diagram-of-the-day-do-progressives-like-sen-elizabeth-warren-support-competition-or-not/)
Title: Re: liz warren and logic
Post by: SaintAnger on February 10, 2017, 08:07:08 AM
If they are going to nominate that librarian as president, they should HANG IT UP NOW!!!
Title: Re: liz warren and logic
Post by: avxo on February 10, 2017, 09:58:29 AM
Fake respect and collegiality mandated by rules... ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the United States Senate.
Title: 31:37 Trump supporter who is handicapped tortured by blacks, Meryl Streep
Post by: gothorium on February 10, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
lies saying Trump made fun of a handicapped... ::)

Title: Democrat divided America and Trump brought it together
Post by: gothorium on February 10, 2017, 08:47:22 PM
:)

 ;D

Capitalism works.
Lower gov spending.
Title: Yaron Brook on non government regulated health care
Post by: gothorium on February 10, 2017, 09:44:56 PM


I love this guy.  Objectivism all the way.  I mean this unironically.
Title: Re: Yaron Brook on non government regulated health care
Post by: gothorium on February 10, 2017, 10:11:07 PM
Title: Why don't just have free house n car n food for each citizen? Bernie Style?
Post by: gothorium on February 12, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
Why not?
I mean if you can make 1 mansion, you can make one for each person.
If everyone worked at building houses and not lawyering and insurance and other stupid paper shifting shit, then all could have plenty.
I mean thorium lifter reactor is now safe atomic power.
So all we need already exists.
Why can't we just do it?
Title: So school controlled by government is teaching there are more than 2 genders....
Post by: gothorium on February 12, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Why do taxpayers fund lies?



(https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15994393_1271766192869341_5123443994324355175_o.jpg?oh=5597c929be8e99e1d575d8e3b5c03c97&oe=5932CB9B)
Title: dakota pipeline here we come! tribes btfo!
Post by: gothorium on February 14, 2017, 07:55:47 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-judge-denies-tribes-request-to-block-completion-of-dakota-pipeline/ar-AAmTJlT?OCID=ansmsnnews11 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-judge-denies-tribes-request-to-block-completion-of-dakota-pipeline/ar-AAmTJlT?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
Title: Re: dakota pipeline here we come! tribes btfo!
Post by: gothorium on February 14, 2017, 09:17:39 AM
http://imgur.com/8MPuqni (http://imgur.com/8MPuqni)
Title: Trump to do FL Rally!! LOVE it !! fuck the media!
Post by: gothorium on February 15, 2017, 04:37:01 PM
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2017/02/15/trump-visit-melbourne-confirmed-saturday/97954242/

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2017/02/15/trump-visit-melbourne-confirmed-saturday/97954242/ (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2017/02/15/trump-visit-melbourne-confirmed-saturday/97954242/)