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USC Scientist Develops Virus That Targets HIV
In what represents an important step toward curing HIV, a USC scientist has created a virus that hunts down HIV-infected cells.
Pin Wang’s lentiviral vector latches onto HIV-infected cells, flagging them with what is called “suicide gene therapy” - allowing drugs to later target and destroy them.
“If you deplete all of the HIV-infected cells, you can at least partially solve the problem,” said Wang, chemical engineering professor at the USC Viterbi School of Engineering.
The process is analogous to the military practice of “buddy lasing” - that is, having a soldier on the ground illuminate a target with a laser to guide a precision bombing strike from an aircraft
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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone--apart-from-aids-1430428.html
Africa Is Giving Nothing To Anyone -- Apart From Aids
By Kevin Myers
Thursday July 10 2008
No. It will not do. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since Ethiopia's (and Bob Geldof's) famous Feed The World campaign, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78 million today.
So why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none. To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count.
One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of . . .
Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him.
There is, no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and intimate system; but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.
It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, letter-writing wrathful, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously. So be it.
But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30pc. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules, Ethiopia's has more than doubled.
Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, Kalashnikov-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts.
Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually
hyperactive indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world.
This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the next president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital joystick as a sure preventative against infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etcetera.
Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa.
They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.
Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million: The equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley.
So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?
How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and intimate abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them? Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity. But that is not good enough.
For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.
It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating.
If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts. Oh good: then what?I know. Let them all come here. Yes, that's an idea.
kmyers@independent.ie
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Somebody get in contact with Derek please.
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How about curing breast cancer instead so these innocent women can live? 99% of those with AIDS pretty much knowingly caught it.
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I think the cure for this disease is probably easier to develop than one would imagine.
Unfortunately, pharmaceutical companies would not benefit from having a cure introduced to the mass public. While the millions dying from this is catastrophic, I'm pretty sure those pharma companies are soothing their consciousness all the way to the bank by depending heavily on those infected to take costly, life-long antiretrovirals for treatment.
There are amazing treatments, for a wide variety of diseases, that are already in use all throughout Europe, but the USA does not feel they live up to FDA's standards.
Reminds me of Ibogaine in the treatment of Heroin addiction. Ibogaine is a drug that can CURE heroin addicts after only administering it once during a 24 hour period. Instead of using that cheap drug, we instead subject our drug addicts to extensive treatment with Methadone.
Good post 240, CNN hasn't written about this yet,
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I think the cure for this disease is probably easier to develop than one would imagine.
Unfortunately, pharmaceutical companies would not benefit from having a cure introduced to the mass public. While the millions dying from this is catastrophic, I'm pretty sure those pharma companies are soothing their consciousness all the way to the bank by depending heavily on those infected to take costly, life-long antiretrovirals for treatment.
There are amazing treatments, for a wide variety of diseases, that are already in use all throughout Europe, but the USA does not feel they live up to FDA's standards.
Reminds me of Ibogaine in the treatment of Heroin addiction. Ibogaine is a drug that can CURE heroin addicts after only administering it once during a 24 hour period. Instead of using that cheap drug, we instead subject our drug addicts to extensive treatment with Methadone.
Good post 240, CNN hasn't written about this yet,
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Not the best models, but if you attack a generation of viroids, even at the consensus sequence, and one viroid happens to escape. when it replicates via RNA, it produces a generation which is more or less resistant to the regime of drugs, which killed off its' parent generation. Nothing is 100% in science, so the process continues.
The protein which attaches to the white blood cells seems promising but i would assume it would completely decimate the host's immume system if he or she were in later stages or near wasting. You'd have to put the person in a bubble, just to protect them from the simplest infections which would kill them. And the attaching protein still doesn't attach to the viral wall, so you still have a possibility of viroids surviving treatment and replicating a new resistant generation.
(http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/6cubeGenCode.gif)
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I think the cure for this disease is probably easier to develop than one would imagine.
Unfortunately, pharmaceutical companies would not benefit from having a cure introduced to the mass public. While the millions dying from this is catastrophic, I'm pretty sure those pharma companies are soothing their consciousness all the way to the bank by depending heavily on those infected to take costly, life-long antiretrovirals for treatment.
There are amazing treatments, for a wide variety of diseases, that are already in use all throughout Europe, but the USA does not feel they live up to FDA's standards.
Reminds me of Ibogaine in the treatment of Heroin addiction. Ibogaine is a drug that can CURE heroin addicts after only administering it once during a 24 hour period. Instead of using that cheap drug, we instead subject our drug addicts to extensive treatment with Methadone.
Good post 240, CNN hasn't written about this yet,
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Is this opinion based on your scientific training? Sorry, but it kills me when I hear people say stuff like this. Do you know anything about virology, biochemistry and molecular biology, or pharmacogenomics? Leave the science to the scientists. And fund biomedical research while you are at it. Funding for graduate education and post-docs in these fields is shamefully low given how important their work is. The day is coming—and sooner than you think—when you, me, or someone we know and love will be stricken by Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, HIV or some other serious malady. When that happens, you may find yourself wondering why someone, somewhere, some time ago did not make the investment in the research necessary to combat or cure the illness . . . look in the mirror.
Personally, I do not believe that HIV/AIDS will be cured; we are not good a “curing” viruses (the common cold for example) but I am confident that we will develop a vaccine.
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Is this opinion based on your scientific training? Sorry, but it kills me when I hear people say stuff like this. Do you know anything about virology, biochemistry and molecular biology, or pharmacogenomics? Leave the science to the scientists. And fund biomedical research while you are at it. Funding for graduate education and post-docs in these fields is shamefully low given how important their work is. The day is coming—and sooner than you think—when you, me, or someone we know and love will be stricken by Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, HIV or some other serious malady. When that happens, you may find yourself wondering why someone, somewhere, some time ago did not make the investment in the research necessary to combat or cure the illness . . . look in the mirror.
Personally, I do not believe that HIV/AIDS will be cured; we are not good a “curing” viruses (the common cold for example) but I am confident that we will develop a vaccine.
How long do you have left Bay? :'(
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I think the cure for this disease is probably easier to develop than one would imagine.
Unfortunately, pharmaceutical companies would not benefit from having a cure introduced to the mass public. While the millions dying from this is catastrophic, I'm pretty sure those pharma companies are soothing their consciousness all the way to the bank by depending heavily on those infected to take costly, life-long antiretrovirals for treatment.
There are amazing treatments, for a wide variety of diseases, that are already in use all throughout Europe, but the USA does not feel they live up to FDA's standards.
Reminds me of Ibogaine in the treatment of Heroin addiction. Ibogaine is a drug that can CURE heroin addicts after only administering it once during a 24 hour period. Instead of using that cheap drug, we instead subject our drug addicts to extensive treatment with Methadone.
Good post 240, CNN hasn't written about this yet,
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"Ain't no money in the cure, the money's in the medicine...that's how a drug dealer makes his money, on the comeback."
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Is this opinion based on your scientific training? Sorry, but it kills me when I hear people say stuff like this. Do you know anything about virology, biochemistry and molecular biology, or pharmacogenomics? Leave the science to the scientists. And fund biomedical research while you are at it. Funding for graduate education and post-docs in these fields is shamefully low given how important their work is. The day is coming—and sooner than you think—when you, me, or someone we know and love will be stricken by Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, HIV or some other serious malady. When that happens, you may find yourself wondering why someone, somewhere, some time ago did not make the investment in the research necessary to combat or cure the illness . . . look in the mirror.
Personally, I do not believe that HIV/AIDS will be cured; we are not good a “curing” viruses (the common cold for example) but I am confident that we will develop a vaccine.
I do have a solid foundation in Biochemistry & molecular biology. Aside from my present career, which I embarked upon a decade after getting my first degree (Bachelors of Science with a double major in Chemistry & Biology), I do have a very strong background in science, but decided to not pursue it any further, due to financial restraints and quite frankly, due to my ability to acquire growth in the financial industry much quicker.
Why I have a strong feeling (Surely my opinion) as to the probability of there being a cure around the corner, with just a few years of funding away from realization? Simple.
One of the key sectors that my investment firm heavily pours money into is pharmaceuticals. I spent over a year doing intense research on new products that have yet to hit the market in order to possibly persuade the firm I work for to pick one pharma over the other. One particular company had a select team of scientists that claimed that a cure is very much so possible to obtain, but funding would be necessary (Extensive funding). I asked them if they were being optimistic and they were frank in saying that they are capable of eradicating other strands of viruses and have ways of replicating their success.
Again, from an investment banker's point of view, I was moved to the point of presenting this information for further evaluation by my superiors. The resounding theme I received in response to all of my year's worth of work is that if we fund something that provides a cure, we might as well kiss our long term ROI projections goodbye.
After that unfortunate waste of time, I instead was formally placed as the head of Latin American equities for the firm. Since then, I don't bother with anything pharmaceutical related.
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I do have a solid foundation in Biochemistry & molecular biology. Aside from my present career, which I embarked upon a decade after getting my first degree (Bachelors of Science with a double major in Chemistry & Biology), I do have a very strong background in science, but decided to not pursue it any further, due to financial restraints and quite frankly, due to my ability to acquire growth in the financial industry much quicker.
Why I have a strong feeling (Surely my opinion) as to the probability of there being a cure around the corner, with just a few years of funding away from realization? Simple.
One of the key sectors that my investment firm heavily pours money into is pharmaceuticals. I spent over a year doing intense research on new products that have yet to hit the market in order to possibly persuade the firm I work for to pick one pharma over the other. One particular company had a select team of scientists that claimed that a cure is very much so possible to obtain, but funding would be necessary (Extensive funding). I asked them if they were being optimistic and they were frank in saying that they are capable of eradicating other stands of viruses and have ways of replicating their success.
Again, from an investment banker's point of view, I was moved to the point of presenting this information for further evaluation by my superiors. The resounding theme I received in response to all of my year's worth of work is that if we fund something that provides a cure, we might as well kiss our long term projections ROI goodbye.
After that unfortunate waste of time, I instead was formally placed as the head of Latin American equities for the firm. Since then, I don't bother with anything pharmaceutical related.
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I hope they find the cure for "Gayness" soon ;D
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Is this opinion based on your scientific training? Sorry, but it kills me when I hear people say stuff like this. Do you know anything about virology, biochemistry and molecular biology, or pharmacogenomics? Leave the science to the scientists. And fund biomedical research while you are at it. Funding for graduate education and post-docs in these fields is shamefully low given how important their work is. The day is coming—and sooner than you think—when you, me, or someone we know and love will be stricken by Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, HIV or some other serious malady. When that happens, you may find yourself wondering why someone, somewhere, some time ago did not make the investment in the research necessary to combat or cure the illness . . . look in the mirror.
Personally, I do not believe that HIV/AIDS will be cured; we are not good a “curing” viruses (the common cold for example) but I am confident that we will develop a vaccine.
You can be a dick (no pun intended), Bay, but are on the money, as far as a HIV cure. Vaccine to keep it at Bay (no pun intended) is more likely. People miss that the capsule, attaching arms and consensus sequence are all assembled independently. The points on Hamming Sequence Spacing Cubes are completely different generations, in which each is resistant to drug regimes which killed off PART of the previous generation. That process is happening millions of times over.
Are you doing RNA research?
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You can be a dick (no pun intended), Bay, but are on the money, as far as a HIV cure. Vaccine to keep it at Bay (no pun intended) is more likely. People miss that the capsule, attaching arms and consensus sequence are all assembled independently. The points on Hamming Sequence Spacing Cubes are completely different generations, in which each is resistant to drug regimes which killed off PART of the previous generation. That process is happening millions of times over.
Are you doing RNA research?
Obviously Magic Johnson has fucking something going on. That dude has had aids for 20+ years and nothing has happened.
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By the way 240, the title of the thread is not lost on some of us. lol
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I hope they find the cure for "Gayness" soon ;D
Why? Less competition when it comes to finding women. 8)
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Obviously Magic Johnson has fucking something going on. That dude has had aids for 20+ years and nothing has happened.
If I'm not mistaken, while Johnson does have HIV, he hasn't necessarily progressed onto AIDS has he?
That being said, a few years back, I even read that with his healthy lifestyle and constant use of medications, he was able to maintain a T-cell count that was comparable to a completely healthy person with no actual disease.
The treatment of HIV has progressed to the point that folks are able to live with the disease for well over 20-40 years.
If anything, I would be more afraid of the devastating effects of Hep C.
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Viruses induced diseases can't be cured.
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Obviously Magic Johnson has fucking something going on. That dude has had aids for 20+ years and nothing has happened.
Do you remember in undergrad General Bio class when your professor said viruses learn not to kill off their host so fast, which increases their chances of transmission to another host? That's a simple way of putting it.
Magic's WBC count is probably pretty normal, 4,000 to 10,000 cells per microliter, but he still has those little boys replicating and putting up a fight against the cocktail of drugs he is on. Wealth, a good diet and keeping hiim fat and healthy don't hurt either.
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If I'm not mistaken, while Johnson does have HIV, he hasn't necessarily progressed onto AIDS has he?
That being said, a few years back, I even read that with his healthy lifestyle and constant use of medications, he was able to maintain a T-cell count that was comparable to a completely healthy person with no actual disease.
The treatment of HIV has progressed to the point that folks are able to live with the disease for well over 20-40 years.
If anything, I would be more afraid of the devastating effects of Hep C.
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The Homo is correct when it comes to this. I have a cousin who has Hep C and she is always in and out of the hospital.
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If I'm not mistaken, while Johnson does have HIV, he hasn't necessarily progressed onto AIDS has he?
That being said, a few years back, I even read that with his healthy lifestyle and constant use of medications, he was able to maintain a T-cell count that was comparable to a completely healthy person with no actual disease.
The treatment of HIV has progressed to the point that folks are able to live with the disease for well over 20-40 years.
If anything, I would be more afraid of the devastating effects of Hep C.
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some fellas are just immuned to hiv,, bodybuilders are actualy in the most immuned group to hiv,, hgh has a lot to do with it ,, never the less magic johnson has money and money in this time and age can help you live normal life till later years 80-90-100,,there is also one group which is hiv resistented,,,this group is a lucky one that the body know how to isolate and fuck up virus before it start its thing...dont know how they do it ,, but fellas in this group rarely get sick....
now reread the posting i wrote about hgh....and fellas never get sick
let me put to you this in simple terms....
if you didnt get sick as in flu ,,cold,, fever,, you know the regular symtoms 99% of the pupulation have,,if you have not got sick in the last 5-10 years you are most likley IMMUNED TO HIV,, now this doeesnt mean you need to go now to middle brazil or mid africa and fuck any whore you see with no condom or with condom lol but! you are most likley immuned to hiv
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Do you remember in undergrad General Bio class when your professor said viruses learn not to kill off their host so fast, which increases their chances of transmission to another host? That's a simple way of putting it.
Magic's WBC count is probably pretty normal, 4,000 to 10,000 cells per microliter, but he still has those little boys replicating and putting up a fight against the cocktail of drugs he is on. Wealth, a good diet and keeping hiim fat and healthy don't hurt either.
There are many new treatments in the market.
For instance, folks at the Cleveland Clinic and at New York Presbyterian Hospital have been able to completely eradicate Hep C in patients, prior to a liver transplant after cirrhosis had taken place.
They literally took patients that suffered from Hep C for many years, whose livers had progressed to that of full cirrhosis and eradicated the Hep C completely prior to transplant, thereby allowing these folks to get a new liver, free them of Hep C and thus allow them to resume a normal, healthy life.
Their research showed that if you blasted Hep C with Interferon & Ribavirin prior to transplant to the point where their viral load was practically untraceable and then went ahead with the transplant, they consequently found that a large portion of their patients were cured from Hep C.
Here is a sample video from their main researcher at NYP:
If they can do this for Hep C, again liver transplant aside, there is more than just hope for HIV.
My firm invests heavily into the pharma companies that distribute both Interferon and Ribavirin, it's just a shame that when I presented the research to them for investment into the company which showed much progress for a viable cure for HIV, they simply felt it was not a lucrative venture in the long run.
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some fellas are just immuned to hiv,, bodybuilders are actualy in the most immuned group to hiv,, hgh has a lot to do with it ,, never the less magic johnson has money and money in this time and age can help you live normal life till later years 80-90-100,,there is also one group which is hiv resistented,,,this group is a lucky one that the body know how to isolate and fuck up virus before it start its thing...dont know how they do it ,, but fellas in this group rarely get sick....
now reread the posting i wrote about hgh....and fellas never get sick
let me put to you this in simple terms....
if you didnt get sick as in flu ,,cold,, fever,, you know the regular symtoms 99% of the pupulation have,,if you have not got sick in the last 5-10 years you are most likley IMMUNED TO HIV,, now this doeesnt mean you need to go now to middle brazil or mid africa and fuck any whore you see with no condom or with condom lol but! you are most likley immuned to hiv
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i guess you didn't want to add Thailand, because it might make some of us think you are DJ. then again, you stayed away from the DJ thread. and WTF are talking about? Burn all my science books after scanning thru this shit. ;D
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i guess you didn't want to add Thailand, because it might make some of us think you are DJ. then again, you stayed away from the DJ thread. and WTF are talking about? Burn all my science books after scanning thru this shit. ;D
what science? im telling you here fellas on gh not even consistantly ....do nto get sick ,, i m tlelin you here that fellas that i know of quite a few...been going 10 years with out getting sick aside from steroi infections...but this is not sick,, fever out of steroid infection is not getting sick....it is when body fight it and isolat eit ,, im talking flue im talkin common sickness of other people,, FELLA ON GH ,, bodybuilders in general are immuned group,, i believe most bodybuilders are immuned to hiv virus,, again if you use narcotics....and share needle you will get hiv at the end..but i belivee! that bodybuilders are at the epidom of society when it come to health and are IMMUNED TO HIV,,you will hear it in few years after research will go in more detail into the bodybuilder drug regimen
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let me ask you this fellas,,
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS,, IM NOT TALKING NARCOTICS ADDICTS THAT IS PART OF BODYBUILDING SADLY,, BUT! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDER WHO ONLY DO HORMONES...WHO GET SICK? SERIOUSLY ? HAV E YOU EVER SEEN THEM GOING WITH BAD FLU,, OR WITH GOING TO DOC FOR RUNNY NOSE AND SWOLLEN LYMPHS THAT DISTURB THEM TO SWALLOW,, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS WALKING AROUND WITH FEVER AND TAKE A WEEK OFF WORK DUE TO VIRUS THAT HIT THEM ,,
WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU SAW BODYBUILDER GET SICK? GET SICK IN COMMON SICKNESS OF THE EVERYDAY FELLA,,WHEN?
WE DONT
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I do have a solid foundation in Biochemistry & molecular biology. Aside from my present career, which I embarked upon a decade after getting my first degree (Bachelors of Science with a double major in Chemistry & Biology), I do have a very strong background in science, but decided to not pursue it any further, due to financial restraints and quite frankly, due to my ability to acquire growth in the financial industry much quicker.
Why I have a strong feeling (Surely my opinion) as to the probability of there being a cure around the corner, with just a few years of funding away from realization? Simple.
One of the key sectors that my investment firm heavily pours money into is pharmaceuticals. I spent over a year doing intense research on new products that have yet to hit the market in order to possibly persuade the firm I work for to pick one pharma over the other. One particular company had a select team of scientists that claimed that a cure is very much so possible to obtain, but funding would be necessary (Extensive funding). I asked them if they were being optimistic and they were frank in saying that they are capable of eradicating other strands of viruses and have ways of replicating their success.
Again, from an investment banker's point of view, I was moved to the point of presenting this information for further evaluation by my superiors. The resounding theme I received in response to all of my year's worth of work is that if we fund something that provides a cure, we might as well kiss our long term ROI projections goodbye.
After that unfortunate waste of time, I instead was formally placed as the head of Latin American equities for the firm. Since then, I don't bother with anything pharmaceutical related.
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I find it hard to believe you have a double major in Chem and Bio but I guess it is possible...
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I find it hard to believe you have a double major in Chem and Bio but I guess it is possible...
When your original goal is to go to Med School and you seek to increase your chances of admission, you sometimes try to stack up on all sciences that help towards that end. Also, when you do follow a pre-med route, you do a year in these sciences (Bio, Chem, physics etc..), often times as in my case graduating with a BIO/CHEM degree after 5 1/2 years and then hoping to get admission into Med School immediately.
Early on, I realized that the finance industry would allow me to make more than any Doctor could possibly make. Hence, why I went back to school for both a B.S. & MBA in Accounting. Remember, I'm in my late forties, I'm not as young as some of these studs on the forum.
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I find it hard to believe you have a double major in Chem and Bio but I guess it is possible...
this is getbig,,,I have a quadrouple degree in biochemistry/biology/math/and social studies as a undergrad,,,I personally persued medicine at university of arizona,,,then got bored after residency at banner hosptial near,,,gilbert hostpial,,,Im not gonna tell you specifically the hostpical,,but its near san tan shoppoing center,,,groink can confrim this if you want,,,I did a residency there for 3 years then I decided to quit medicine due to the UNMORAL ethnics involved peole wanted to make money at all cost at the cost of a humans life,,,Im not a teacher at a high school,,,,alot cooler teaching social studies because I love it more than medicine,,,,
I did all this while doing while turning pro,,,I placed in top 5 in Mr. O more than twice now,,,,not that hard,,it keeps you busy and I love being busy,,,I was the biggest guy at my hopstial,,im the biggest guy at my high school I teach at,,
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When your original goal is to go to Med School and you seek to increase your chances of admission, you sometimes try to stack up on all sciences that help towards that end. Also, when you do follow a pre-med route, you do a year in these sciences (Bio, Chem, physics etc..), often times as in my case graduating with a BIO/CHEM degree after 5 1/2 years and then hoping to get admission into Med School immediately.
Early on, I realized that the finance industry would allow me to make more than any Doctor could possibly make. Hence, why I went back to school for both a B.S. & MBA in Accounting. Remember, I'm in my late forties, I'm not as young as some of these studs on the forum.
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OMR even,,,then its not good enough you can all the major degrees in science,,you will not get in,,,I was on the interview board at U of arizona,,,we had the smartest and brightest come through here with MCAT scores of 34,,,3.95 gpas,,,countless hours of volunteer work in hostpicals,,,and yet we ask this this simple questions:
-if you found out you accidently took a pen from the bank would you return it immediately???
-most responses are,,,YES I would walk right back in the bank,,,,
Now we know as humans we do not do that and its super rare for someone to do such things,,,what we wanted to know was if he was gonna lie to us with such a answer or tell the truth,,,now thats just a small componenet of the interview,,,we want to know if you are ''morally' acceptable to be in medicine,,,becuase we do not want clowns to lie to pateients about their health,,,,
believe it nor not majority of the adults who apply (over 30) get in,,,you know why they get in over other kids,,,its because they have 'life' experiences,,,and at that age they have no reason to lie anymore as when we were younger,,,and get this most have kids,,,jobs,,all balanced out while attending school to try for medicine,,this shows greater determinations than some kid,,,,
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let me ask you this fellas,,
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS,, IM NOT TALKING NARCOTICS ADDICTS THAT IS PART OF BODYBUILDING SADLY,, BUT! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDER WHO ONLY DO HORMONES...WHO GET SICK? SERIOUSLY ? HAV E YOU EVER SEEN THEM GOING WITH BAD FLU,, OR WITH GOING TO DOC FOR RUNNY NOSE AND SWOLLEN LYMPHS THAT DISTURB THEM TO SWALLOW,, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS WALKING AROUND WITH FEVER AND TAKE A WEEK OFF WORK DUE TO VIRUS THAT HIT THEM ,,
WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU SAW BODYBUILDER GET SICK? GET SICK IN COMMON SICKNESS OF THE EVERYDAY FELLA,,WHEN?
WE DONT
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Yep, they only get heart-problems, high pression problems, liver-kidney problems. But they NEVER get flu! That's what I call being healthy
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OMR even,,,then its not good enough you can all the major degrees in science,,you will not get in,,,I was on the interview board at U of arizona,,,we had the smartest and brightest come through here with MCAT scores of 34,,,3.95 gpas,,,countless hours of volunteer work in hostpicals,,,and yet we ask this this simple questions:
-if you found out you accidently took a pen from the bank would you return it immediately???
-most responses are,,,YES I would walk right back in the bank,,,,
Now we know as humans we do not do that and its super rare for someone to do such things,,,what we wanted to know was if he was gonna lie to us with such a answer or tell the truth,,,now thats just a small componenet of the interview,,,we want to know if you are ''morally' acceptable to be in medicine,,,becuase we do not want clowns to lie to pateients about their health,,,,
believe it nor not majority of the adults who apply (over 30) get in,,,you know why they get in over other kids,,,its because they have 'life' experiences,,,and at that age they have no reason to lie anymore as when we were younger,,,and get this most have kids,,,jobs,,all balanced out while attending school to try for medicine,,this shows greater determinations than some kid,,,,
I had solid grades in the sciences, enough volunteer work at the local hospitals, as well as a year's worth of research work for a hospital under my belt, but I just realized that in the end, if you can make a small fortune in 10-15 years, it's worth it. Why waste your time in 4 extra years of schooling, with 3-8 years of post-med school residency, to only make enough to lead a comfortable life while paying off 250-350K in Med school debt? I applaud those who do, but I'm fine dabbling in the industry I am in.
Also, you don't always have to go to a big name Med School in order to be a doctor. The easiest way to get into med school is to either stick with a state school OR to apply to a caribbean med school like St. Georges.
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I had solid grades in the sciences, enough volunteer work at the local hospitals, as well as a year's worth of research work for a hospital under my belt, but I just realized that in the end, if you can make a small fortune in 10-15 years, it's worth it. Why waste your time in 4 extra years of schooling, with 3-8 years of post-med school residency, to only make enough to lead a comfortable life while paying off 250-350K in Med school debt? I applaud those who do, but I'm fine dabbling in the industry I am in.
Also, you don't always have to go to a big name Med School in order to be a doctor. The easiest way to get into med school is to either stick with a state school OR to apply to a caribbean med school like St. Georges.
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YES,,you are correct its not that hard to be considered a 'doctor of medicine',,,the hard thing about the caribbeans is that we dont like them to do residency here in the states,,,,its harder for them also due to training stats wise,,they score very low on the NCLEX 4 step planner,,,vs the states schools,,,now dont get me wrong,,,there is also alot of good doctors out of the caribbean who succeed with the NCLEX just fine,,,but majority score really low or dont get ever get residency,,which really sucks you did 4 years of medicine and cant get residency,,,horrible feeling and wasted time,,,
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YES,,you are correct its not that hard to be considered a 'doctor of medicine',,,the hard thing about the caribbeans is that we dont like them to do residency here in the states,,,,its harder for them also due to training stats wise,,they score very low on the NCLEX 4 step planner,,,vs the states schools,,,now dont get me wrong,,,there is also alot of good doctors out of the caribbean who succeed with the NCLEX just fine,,,but majority score really low or dont get ever get residency,,which really sucks you did 4 years of medicine and cant get residency,,,horrible feeling and wasted time,,,
While, I don't know too much about the examinations administered after Med school, instead of the NCLEX, aren't you referring to the USMLE Step I, II & III?
I always thought the NCLEX was a nursing exam for licensure, not intended for Medical licensure of any sort.
I could be wrong though.
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ooppss,,,,its been awhile,,,my friend you are right I was trying to get with a fellow lady nurse at my high school I was talking to her about medicine field in general we wer etalking about NCLEX,,,how I know many foriegn ndoctors who come from different countries that cant become doctors here,,,but they become nurses,,,,instead,,,
Another thing my friend,,,we also try to weed out those who think medicine is all money,,,who have money signes in their eyes,,,instead of saving humantie,,,
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I had solid grades in the sciences, enough volunteer work at the local hospitals, as well as a year's worth of research work for a hospital under my belt, but I just realized that in the end, if you can make a small fortune in 10-15 years, it's worth it. Why waste your time in 4 extra years of schooling, with 3-8 years of post-med school residency, to only make enough to lead a comfortable life while paying off 250-350K in Med school debt? I applaud those who do, but I'm fine dabbling in the industry I am in.
Also, you don't always have to go to a big name Med School in order to be a doctor. The easiest way to get into med school is to either stick with a state school OR to apply to a caribbean med school like St. Georges.
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So you do or do not regret all the time spent getting your now unused degrees?
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So you do or do not regret all the time spent getting your now unused degrees?
IM gonna,,guess for OMR that he does not regret it,,,I can tell by readin ghis post about medicine and money,,,,there are better ways to make money tahn medicine,,,he knew this right away,,and we admissions committe can read young fellows who try medicine fo rmoney,,,does not work,,,
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IM gonna,,guess for OMR that he does not regret it,,,I can tell by readin ghis post about medicine and money,,,,there are better ways to make money tahn medicine,,,he knew this right away,,and we admissions committe can read young fellows who try medicine fo rmoney,,,does not work,,,
What is the lowest GPA you have seen get into your school? What is the average overall?
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I hope they find the cure for "Gayness" soon ;D
That would mean the end of pro bodybuilding. ::)
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What is the lowest GPA you have seen get into your school? What is the average overall?
lowest gpa is 3.4 overall is roughly 3.6 or so,,,its not about the grades,,,grades get you the interview,,,what you say at the interview separates from the rest of the clowns with the same GPA,,same MCAT score,,etc,,,
heres another questions once posed at the intreview,,,this is funny,,,
-why do you want to get into medicine???
-I want to make lots of money!!!!
This kid was 20 years very smart,,,excellent grades,,excellent everything,,the minute he said that,,he was DONE,,,,hahahha
we got 800 applicants,,600 got interviewed,,,
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lowest gpa is 3.4 overall is roughly 3.6 or so,,,its not about the grades,,,grades get you the interview,,,what you say at the interview separates from the rest of the clowns with the same GPA,,same MCAT score,,etc,,,
heres another questions once posed at the intreview,,,this is funny,,,
-why do you want to get into medicine???
-I want to make lots of money!!!!
This kid was 20 years very smart,,,excellent grades,,excellent everything,,the minute he said that,,he was DONE,,,,hahahha
we got 800 applicants,,600 got interviewed,,,
Interesting...With regard to volunteer work, is it necessary to do this at a hospital? Is volunteering at a soup kitchen valid/acceptable? Also are there some particular things that you would look for in a candidate that make you really want to interview that applicant and conversely make you want to avoid that applicant?
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How about curing breast cancer instead so these innocent women can live? 99% of those with AIDS pretty much knowingly caught it.
Is this your opinion or are you stating it as a fact? If it is a fact, please provide resource material.
Sure, human nature dictates a certain amount of carelessness and a degree of "it can't happen to me" ness. But, to state that 99% of the folks who have AIDS knowingly caught HIV, which is the virus that causes AIDS, seems outrageous. I for one, cannot envision this percentage of folks asking someone if they are HIV positive so they can co-mingle their blood with them in hopes of getting AIDS.
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let me ask you this fellas,,
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS,, IM NOT TALKING NARCOTICS ADDICTS THAT IS PART OF BODYBUILDING SADLY,, BUT! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDER WHO ONLY DO HORMONES...WHO GET SICK? SERIOUSLY ? HAV E YOU EVER SEEN THEM GOING WITH BAD FLU,, OR WITH GOING TO DOC FOR RUNNY NOSE AND SWOLLEN LYMPHS THAT DISTURB THEM TO SWALLOW,, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN BODYBUILDERS WALKING AROUND WITH FEVER AND TAKE A WEEK OFF WORK DUE TO VIRUS THAT HIT THEM ,,
WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU SAW BODYBUILDER GET SICK? GET SICK IN COMMON SICKNESS OF THE EVERYDAY FELLA,,WHEN?
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I never get sick. Does this mean I am a bodybuilder?
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Interesting...With regard to volunteer work, is it necessary to do this at a hospital? Is volunteering at a soup kitchen valid/acceptable? Also are there some particular things that you would look for in a candidate that make you really want to interview that applicant and conversely make you want to avoid that applicant?
we examine 'who you are as a human being',,,,its what you been through in life,,what makes you want to save the human race,,,yes I said human race,,,,,
-if osama bin laden (if still alive) came to you for medical help would you help him knowing he palnned the 9/10 attacks????
Thats why even with various degrees,,,top notch students dont get in,,,,then they go on their masters in biology thinking they will get in with a higher degree and guess what they are the same person who they were 2 years ago with a bachelors,,,,they dont get in,,,then they get their Ph.D. in bilogy and guess what they still dont get in,,,some are persistent and answer the same question with same answer over and over,,,,,
its who you are as a person in this world that determines what kind of decotor you are going to be,,,,
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I never get sick. Does this mean I am a bodybuilder?
everyone want to be a bodybuilder but they dont want to lifet heavy weight - ronnie coleman
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we examine 'who you are as a human being',,,,its what you been through in life,,what makes you want to save the human race,,,yes I said human race,,,,,
-if osama bin laden (if still alive) came to you for medical help would you help him knowing he palnned the 9/10 attacks????
Thats why even with various degrees,,,top notch students dont get in,,,,then they go on their masters in biology thinking they will get in with a higher degree and guess what they are the same person who they were 2 years ago with a bachelors,,,,they dont get in,,,then they get their Ph.D. in bilogy and guess what they still dont get in,,,some are persistent and answer the same question with same answer over and over,,,,,
its who you are as a person in this world that determines what kind of decotor you are going to be,,,,
That makes a lot of sense thank you.
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ONE MORE REP, JOCK, GH, and a couple of you other GetBiggers, ….
Thanks to each of you for this interesting education.
I never realized that we had such well educated GrtBiggers contributing to this Board.
Thanks for encouraging me to change my mind!
Three additional comments I'd like to make ....
1, JOCK, Last Friday I stopped in the Bank of America to cash a check and realized that I still had the bank’s pen in my hand while I was getting back into my car. It wasn’t the typical throw away type pen so I went back inside and returned it to the teller who appeared surprised …. but she did appreciatd it. It was most likely her own and not the bank's,
But to the point ....A while back if test subjects said that they would have returned that pen, they would have been judged to be absolute liers ..... and there would have been other questions on that “test” - the answers to which would have verified that individual’s dishonesty.
So it was somewhat critical to refrain from telling the truth about ‘stealing’ inexpensive objects.
2, GH, I personally know a good number of ‘users’ and cannot recall any of them ever being sick with any ailment but I never considered the roid/GH connection to be the major factor. Is there any official research presently being conducted?
2. ONE MORE, I have often heard that the profit ‘margin’ is given prime consideration over uiversal drug benefits. I hear the same argument within the petroleum industry. Can you refer me to some reliable info about this subject?
Thanks again. Always appreciate reading intelligent stuff from those who are more 'edumacated' than some of the rest of us.
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How about curing breast cancer instead so these innocent women can live? 99% of those with AIDS pretty much knowingly caught it.
And what about paying attention to those cancers that are "underground"? Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in men, almost as common as breast cancer in women. Testicular cancer is a young man's disease but no-one gives a fuck. Lets give all the education to those young bitches in their 20's who might get breast cancer in their 60's or 70's.
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what science? im telling you here fellas on gh not even consistantly ....do nto get sick ,, i m tlelin you here that fellas that i know of quite a few...been going 10 years with out getting sick aside from steroi infections...but this is not sick,, fever out of steroid infection is not getting sick....it is when body fight it and isolat eit ,, im talking flue im talkin common sickness of other people,, FELLA ON GH ,, bodybuilders in general are immuned group,, i believe most bodybuilders are immuned to hiv virus,, again if you use narcotics....and share needle you will get hiv at the end..but i belivee! that bodybuilders are at the epidom of society when it come to health and are IMMUNED TO HIV,,you will hear it in few years after research will go in more detail into the bodybuilder drug regimen
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Well, the original purpose of anadrol was to treat AIDS wasting and other effects of HIV...so it's true in a way. The increase in red blood cells and lean muscle/tissue keeps a person very healthy. This is why HGH and steroids will be taken by basically all males and HGH all females by the year 2075
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1, JOCK, Last Friday I stopped in the Bank of America to cash a check and realized that I still had the bank’s pen in my hand while I was getting back into my car. It wasn’t the typical throw away type pen so I went back inside and returned it to the teller who appeared surprised …. but she did appreciatd it. It was most likely her own and not the bank's,
one guy resoned to this question by saying,,,,last time I checked all bank pens were attached to the teller stations so I cant take,,,,the pen anyways cause theres a chain attached,,,though not all banks have it,,,but good answer,,,its not just the pend question,,,,its other questions,,,that want to know your,,,moral character who you are in this life,,what sepeartaes you from any other human being to be a physician,,,
reminds me,,,,believe it nor dental school is harder to get into than medical school,,,my foriegn friend from korea,,got in with a bacheliers in argiculture,,,can you believe it argiculture he goet into Tufts University and was wait listed at U of MIchigan,,,Tufts id ranks 3 and U of MIchigan is 2 in the nation,,,this SOB got into uto Tufts with a bachelors in agricutlure,,,how to fckin grow platnts,,,what separated him from everyone was that he was 40 years old though,,,vs the kids who try to get in
in memory of noworries believe it or not,,,he could of got into medical school,,,I believe people are emotionally intelligent enough to get in,,,some are just plain smart,,and some are emotionally smart with life expereinces,,and noworries had this,,he had so much life expereince that,,,he could of got in as long as his MCAT and gpas were decent enough to do it,,,the board would of been 'aweed' by his life experienceds of who he is,,,
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OMR even,,,then its not good enough you can all the major degrees in science,,you will not get in,,,I was on the interview board at U of arizona,,,we had the smartest and brightest come through here with MCAT scores of 34,,,3.95 gpas,,,countless hours of volunteer work in hostpicals,,,and yet we ask this this simple questions:
-if you found out you accidently took a pen from the bank would you return it immediately???
-most responses are,,,YES I would walk right back in the bank,,,,
Now we know as humans we do not do that and its super rare for someone to do such things,,,what we wanted to know was if he was gonna lie to us with such a answer or tell the truth,,,now thats just a small componenet of the interview,,,we want to know if you are ''morally' acceptable to be in medicine,,,becuase we do not want clowns to lie to pateients about their health,,,,
believe it nor not majority of the adults who apply (over 30) get in,,,you know why they get in over other kids,,,its because they have 'life' experiences,,,and at that age they have no reason to lie anymore as when we were younger,,,and get this most have kids,,,jobs,,all balanced out while attending school to try for
medicine,,this shows greater determinations than some kid,,,,
depends on how close you are to the bank once you realized you took the pen...
If you are in the parking lot and realized---ok. If you are down the street or on the road, then that pen won't get returned. The gas alone cost more than the pen does.
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depends on how close you are to the bank once you realized you took the pen...
If you are in the parking lot and realized---ok. If you are down the street or on the road, then that pen won't get returned. The gas alone cost more than the pen does.
thats not the point of the answer though :D we are looking for something else in answer and decipering your body language when you say it,,,
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this is getbig,,,I have a quadrouple degree in biochemistry/biology/math/and social studies as a undergrad,,,I personally persued medicine at university of arizona,,,then got bored after residency at banner hosptial near,,,gilbert hostpial,,,Im not gonna tell you specifically the hostpical,,but its near san tan shoppoing center,,,groink can confrim this if you want,,,I did a residency there for 3 years then I decided to quit medicine due to the UNMORAL ethnics involved peole wanted to make money at all cost at the cost of a humans life,,,Im not a teacher at a high school,,,,alot cooler teaching social studies because I love it more than medicine,,,,
I did all this while doing while turning pro,,,I placed in top 5 in Mr. O more than twice now,,,,not that hard,,it keeps you busy and I love being busy,,,I was the biggest guy at my hopstial,,im the biggest guy at my high school I teach at,,
interesting you'd go back in time with this...given i thought we found a resolution about a year ago. have you noticed that the minorities pretty much don't have gimmicks on getbig? gangstalean, che, musclecenter, wiggs, opt d, o'tre, gracie, etc, and myself just don't bother with it. if we go in time-out like i did, we just comeback with our original accts. i think wiggs pointed this out one time.
as far as the millionaires on getbig, it goes back to well-to-do white guys like x-factor and alice23 throwing shit about their status in life, and the young white guys responding with their stories or getting offended because they got dissed, as they say.
as i once told x-factor, i can't base my life on a white guy, so what you have doesn't matter to me.
of course i have gimmicks but they filter thru these accounts, g_thang and divcom (ron wont let log-in anymore for almost a year).
i am who i say i am, may not be in my mom's basement but i'm currently sleeping on a mattress on a floor with my girl. dont wait to sell the furniture when you relocate, just rid of the shit.
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2. ONE MORE, I have often heard that the profit ‘margin’ is given prime consideration over uiversal drug benefits. I hear the same argument within the petroleum industry. Can you refer me to some reliable info about this subject?
Profit margin, from where the investment firms stand, is always given the ONLY consideration. We don't necessarily try to invest in the well-being of mankind, we are trying to invest in what makes the most sense for our investors. The moment when we start to care more for the universal benefits of people as a whole is the moment we would instead turn ourselves into a nonprofit organization handling charitable-like investments. How we are respected by people in general is through the hands of highly capable public relations firms that make what we do invest into relevant to the average man.
Within the United States universal drug benefits, at least the way we see it, refers to the socialistic type programs like that of Medicare and/or Medicaid. From what I've gathered, my firm as well as many others subscribe to the view that universal entitlement programs, based on age or poverty level, provided by seniors' drug-benefit programs is unnecessary and inefficient relative to more limited policy options, and is unfair to the rest of the population. Furthermore, such policies also lead to unsustainable demand by consumers for pharmaceuticals that, in turn, provokes governments to adopt cost-control policies that reduce consumer choice, stifle pharmaceutical innovation and, by extension, harm the health of patients.
There is a good economist by the name of Brett Skinner, who works for the Fraser institute, whom for years has preached the common sermon that all investment firms and many economists alike have with regards to universal drug benefits and their overall toll on both profit margin and industry growth.
Here is a basic article (Below) he wrote that we often reference in order to describe our stance. Remember, we are in the business of making money, not sharing it..
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=13568 (http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=13568)
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