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newt kicking ass tonight.
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Romney look the part but is a pofs.
Ron Paul - come on dude - WTF!!! Attack Obama damn it. I'm getting sick of his rambling!
bachmann - street fighter.
newt - kicked ass.
huntsman - pretty good.
Cain- perfect for Secretary of Commerce.
santorum - I like him but going nowhere.
pawlenty - joke.
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have to say, Amy of these people are way better than Obama.
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I just switched over during a commercial break and saw Paul light up about Iran. He got pretty energetic there. Needs to do it more often.
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he needs to stay on the economic message and forget the foreign policy.
Newt was like a man on fire.
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newt won this tonight.
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Bachmann hit a home run with the bullshit question about her marriage.
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I like all these guys compared to Obama.
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Ron Paul doing great, as expected, as is Gingrich. Bachmann and Santorum too wacko to me.
Huntsman is pretty good, too bad he's not getting more publicity. The rest are pretty average.
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Ron Paul doing great, as expected, as is Gingrich. Bachmann and Santorum too wacko to me.
Huntsman is pretty good, too bad he's not getting more publicity. The rest are pretty average.
I liked huntsman tonight.
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damn I didn't even know there was a debate tonight
can we get a thread stickied or something to provide this info for someone like me who almost never watches tv?
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damn I didn't even know there was a debate tonight
can we get a thread stickied or something to provide this info for someone like me who almost never watches tv?
Didn't miss much tbh.
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Was really surprised how strong newt was. newt was like a f ing steamroller.
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Romney look the part but is a pofs. - He's already won, just playing it safe
Ron Paul - come on dude - WTF!!! Attack Obama damn it. I'm getting sick of his rambling! - That's what happens with old age
bachmann - street fighter. - she couldn't punch her way out of a paper bag- came off as too angry
newt - kicked ass. - because he's a career politican, no chance of winning
huntsman - pretty good. - obviously vying for vice president
Cain- perfect for Secretary of Commerce. - Needs to go back to making pizzas...no money whatsoever in his coffers, The Alan Keyes of 2012
santorum - I like him but going nowhere. - except away
pawlenty - joke. - which is why he's rating the lowest
Honestly, it was pretty much boring for the part I watched and pretty much expected. They spent most of the time throwing pot shots at the President, very little at themselves....I turned it after 20 minutes of dribble.
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damn I didn't even know there was a debate tonight
can we get a thread stickied or something to provide this info for someone like me who almost never watches tv?
http://live.foxnews.com/
You can stream the whole thing from there.
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I like any of these people over Obama. Santorum seems like a real decent guy. Cain is kick ass too. Real buisnessman I can respect.
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Honestly, it was pretty much boring for the part I watched and pretty much expected. They spent most of the time throwing pot shots at the President, very little at themselves....I turned it after 20 minutes of dribble.
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http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11#
FoxNews / Topix YouDecide
Who won the Republican Presidential Debate?
Paul 9714
Gingrich 4853
Cain 2524
Romney 1919
Bachmann 1878
Santorum 851
Huntsman 311
Pawlenty 257
(http://razmear.com/files/debate1239.png)
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http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11#
FoxNews / Topix YouDecide
Who won the Republican Presidential Debate?
Paul 8923
Gingrich 4822
Cain 2486
Romney 1899
Bachmann 1860
Santorum 848
Huntsman 306
Pawlenty 256
(http://razmear.com/files/debate1239.png)
These polls are not correct. How can it be that Ron Paul wins every one he is a part of? According to the "experts" around here a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama or "throwing your vote away". ::)
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Some RP highlights:
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Some RP highlights:
Thank you! Ron Paul's tha man!
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Fox news actually gave him his fair share of questions for the first time in a debate. He is the only one on that stage that understands the monetary system, understands history of foreign policy, defends individual liberty, and is the only one that has actually served in the military.
Ron Paul:
"Rick Santorum Doesn’t Like the 10th Amendment
I’m not quite sure what he was trying to say—and I’m not sure he is either—but Rick Santorum’s rant about American “values” being more important than the 10th amendment reminds me of what every liberal says about individual state efforts to resist Obamacare. It’s what Washington and the federal courts have said for years in overriding states’ power on everything from school prayer to gun regulation.
Rick Santorum doesn’t understand the 10th amendment, which isn’t a surprise since he doesn’t understand the rest of the Constitution either."
Santorum= Chickenhawk nutjob
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http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11#
FoxNews / Topix YouDecide
Who won the Republican Presidential Debate?
Paul 9714
Gingrich 4853
Cain 2524
Romney 1919
Bachmann 1878
Santorum 851
Huntsman 311
Pawlenty 257
(http://razmear.com/files/debate1239.png)
That pretty much sums it up right there.
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they were all pretty good.
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Ron destroys the rest, again.
Paul 13834
Gingrich 4979
Cain 2645
Bachmann 1988
Romney 1988
Santorum 873
Huntsman 337
Pawlenty 265
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Ron destroys the rest, again.
Cue Shawn Hannity to accuse RPaul fans of cheating. As always.
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RP's answer about the liquidating the bad debt was probably over most peoples' head, but he is so right. This is one of the reasons why the economy is never going to revive itself since the taxpayer is so saddled with the bad debt.
This is why I was in favor of letting everything collapse and start over.
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This is why I was in favor of letting everything collapse and start over.
I contend there would be no 'starting over'.
You see, we'd have China and Russia and everyone else "helping us in the name of stability".
IMO, your belief that things would go back to normal in a few years ignores this possibility. Our enemies would take advantage and make damn sure the USA is never a major global influence again.
IMO, we go down the collapse road, and in the next 30 years, we will surely never seen anything as nice as we have it today ;)
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I contend there would be no 'starting over'.
You see, we'd have China and Russia and everyone else "helping us in the name of stability".
IMO, your belief that things would go back to normal in a few years ignores this possibility. Our enemies would take advantage and make damn sure the USA is never a major global influence again.
IMO, we go down the collapse road, and in the next 30 years, we will surely never seen anything as nice as we have it today ;)
Clueless. Did you take economics to get your MBA?
All of this bad debt is lowering our stadard of living now and for the future.
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I contend there would be no 'starting over'.
IMO, we go down the collapse road, and in the next 30 years, we will surely never seen anything as nice as we have it today ;)
Maybe you could look into that crystal ball of yours and give us the winning numbers for the mega millions lottery.
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That was actually a decent debate for a change. A few observations:
- Romney sounded pretty good. He brings a great business background to the table. That will really help him in the general if he gets the nomination. He'll have to overcome the cynicism about his flip flops.
- Was surprised by Santorum. I never really pay attention to him, but he actually did a good job. Will never win, but said some good things.
- Huntsman is a good "new" voice to have in the race. His biggest problem will not be working for Obama, but sharing some of Obama's big government views, like the stimulus, etc.
- Ron Paul continued to beat the debt drum, which is good. That's what everyone should be talking about. I cringe when he talks foreign policy. Doesn't consider Iran a threat? Let them develop nuclear weapons? :-\
- Gingrich was decent, but his prepared response about "gotcha" questions was a little silly. He should be asked tough questions. The bad thing about it was he actually had a good explanation for his campaign turmoil, but that was lost with the whining about how questions were being asked.
- Cain was sort of an afterthought. Didn't get a lot of questions. He would be a good part of the new cabinet.
- Pawlenty was pretty blah. Spent too much time attacking Bachmann. Not his best performance. He lacks the charisma to be a successful national candidate IMO.
- Bachmann looked a little stiff at times. Loved her response to the dumb question about submitting herself to her husband. Submission means mutual respect. She was all over Obama. She's going to do well in the primaries.
Overall, I still think Romney is the frontrunner, followed by Bachmann. Based on what I'm reading, Perry will probably be right in that mix.
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That was actually a decent debate for a change. A few observations:
- Romney sounded pretty good. He brings a great business background to the table. That will really help him in the general if he gets the nomination. He'll have to overcome the cynicism about his flip flops.
- Was surprised by Santorum. I never really pay attention to him, but he actually did a good job. Will never win, but said some good things.
- Huntsman is a good "new" voice to have in the race. His biggest problem will not be working for Obama, but sharing some of Obama's big government views, like the stimulus, etc.
- Ron Paul continued to beat the debt drum, which is good. That's what everyone should be talking about. I cringe when he talks foreign policy. Doesn't consider Iran a threat? Let them develop nuclear weapons? :-\
- Gingrich was decent, but his prepared response about "gotcha" questions was a little silly. He should be asked tough questions. The bad thing about it was he actually had a good explanation for his campaign turmoil, but that was lost with the whining about how questions were being asked.
- Cain was sort of an afterthought. Didn't get a lot of questions. He would be a good part of the new cabinet.
- Pawlenty was pretty blah. Spent too much time attacking Bachmann. Not his best performance. He lacks the charisma to be a successful national candidate IMO.
- Bachmann looked a little stiff at times. Loved her response to the dumb question about submitting herself to her husband. Submission means mutual respect. She was all over Obama. She's going to do well in the primaries.
Overall, I still think Romney is the frontrunner, followed by Bachmann. Based on what I'm reading, Perry will probably be right in that mix.
I agree with all of this.
Except that Bachmann has really got to step up her game on offering her version of economic recovery methods instead of just talking around the question.
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I agree with all of this.
Except that Bachmann has really got to step up her game on offering her version of economic recovery methods instead of just talking around the question.
True. They all need to start talking about specific plans they will offer to try and fix our economic mess.
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True. They all need to start talking about specific plans they will offer to try and fix our economic mess.
Very simple and easy:
1. End ObamaCare
2. Get rid of the EPA
3. Toss the tax code and go to either a low but broad flat tax or sales tax.
4. Get rid of capital gains tax or lower it to 5 - 10%
and on and on.
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They only talk about worrying over other people's jobs when their own job is on the line.
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That was actually a decent debate for a change. A few observations:
- Romney sounded pretty good. He brings a great business background to the table. That will really help him in the general if he gets the nomination. He'll have to overcome the cynicism about his flip flops.
- Was surprised by Santorum. I never really pay attention to him, but he actually did a good job. Will never win, but said some good things.
- Huntsman is a good "new" voice to have in the race. His biggest problem will not be working for Obama, but sharing some of Obama's big government views, like the stimulus, etc.
- Ron Paul continued to beat the debt drum, which is good. That's what everyone should be talking about. I cringe when he talks foreign policy. Doesn't consider Iran a threat? Let them develop nuclear weapons? :-\
- Gingrich was decent, but his prepared response about "gotcha" questions was a little silly. He should be asked tough questions. The bad thing about it was he actually had a good explanation for his campaign turmoil, but that was lost with the whining about how questions were being asked.
- Cain was sort of an afterthought. Didn't get a lot of questions. He would be a good part of the new cabinet.
- Pawlenty was pretty blah. Spent too much time attacking Bachmann. Not his best performance. He lacks the charisma to be a successful national candidate IMO.
- Bachmann looked a little stiff at times. Loved her response to the dumb question about submitting herself to her husband. Submission means mutual respect. She was all over Obama. She's going to do well in the primaries.
Overall, I still think Romney is the frontrunner, followed by Bachmann. Based on what I'm reading, Perry will probably be right in that mix.
Iran is about as much threat to the USA as a mugger prowling the streets of Madrid at night is to you in Hawaii.
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Iran is about as much threat to the USA as a mugger prowling the streets of Madrid at night is to you in Hawaii.
Not really. They have been supplying weapons to enemies who kill Americans. They are a threat to our ally in the Middle East. They indoctrinate their kids to hate Americans. Pretty much everyone with access to intelligence info considers Iran a threat.
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Not really. They have been supplying weapons to enemies who kill Americans. They are a threat to our ally in the Middle East. They indoctrinate their kids to hate Americans. Pretty much everyone with access to intelligence info considers Iran a threat.
If we weren't mired down in tons of wars and occupations in that area they would not be in a position in to lill Americans and they have no air force, no navy and no real strike capacity. As for Israel, they can defend themselves. What does Israel's interests have to do with America's or yours?
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All of this bad debt is lowering our stadard of living now and for the future.
Agreed.
I contend a slow, political process of change - like we're seeing with the repubs forcing obama to step spending - is the solution.
Not letting the economy collapse.
It seems 99.9999% of economists and people in govt agree collapse is a BAD thing.
You feel otherwise, and that's cool.
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Agreed.
I contend a slow, political process of change - like we're seeing with the repubs forcing obama to step spending - is the solution.
Not letting the economy collapse.
It seems 99.9999% of economists and people in govt agree collapse is a BAD thing.
You feel otherwise, and that's cool.
Dude, you are weird.
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If we weren't mired down in tons of wars and occupations in that area they would not be in a position in to lill Americans and they have no air force, no navy and no real strike capacity. As for Israel, they can defend themselves. What does Israel's interests have to do with America's or yours?
It's completely unrealistic to think we can pull our troops from everywhere around the world. I don't want to get involved in things like civil war, unrest, etc., but we definitely need a presence around the globe. We can argue about why people hate and want to kill Americans, don't respect international borders, breed terrorists, etc., but the fact is there are numerous threats around the world that we're in the best position to deal with.
We have to be the ones who lead an effort like Desert Storm, where a dictator invades a small, defenseless country like Kuwait and threatens to invade another (Saudi Arabia). We need to take out terrorist training camps like we did in 2001, when those camps are used to plan attacks on the U.S. We need to help our allies (like Israel) who are surrounded by people that want to exterminate them. Our allies interests are our interests, because we need friends around the world.
Iran doesn't need an air force or navy to be a threat. The biggest threat to our security is by a miniscule group of radical islamists who want to kill Americans. They don't have squat in terms of military hardware. Doesn't make them any less of a threat.
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If we weren't mired down in tons of wars and occupations in that area they would not be in a position in to lill Americans and they have no air force, no navy and no real strike capacity. As for Israel, they can defend themselves. What does Israel's interests have to do with America's or yours?
I laugh when people say , "They kill Americans.", without ever finishing what you just mentioned. Spot on man.
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It's completely unrealistic to think we can pull our troops from everywhere around the world. I don't want to get involved in things like civil war, unrest, etc., but we definitely need a presence around the globe. We can argue about why people hate and want to kill Americans, don't respect international borders, breed terrorists, etc., but the fact is there are numerous threats around the world that we're in the best position to deal with.
We have to be the ones who lead an effort like Desert Storm, where a dictator invades a small, defenseless country like Kuwait and threatens to invade another (Saudi Arabia). We need to take out terrorist training camps like we did in 2001, when those camps are used to plan attacks on the U.S. We need to help our allies (like Israel) who are surrounded by people that want to exterminate them. Our allies interests are our interests, because we need friends around the world.
Iran doesn't need an air force or navy to be a threat. The biggest threat to our security is by a miniscule group of radical islamists who want to kill Americans. They don't have squat in terms of military hardware. Doesn't make them any less of a threat.
I am so glad that this paranoia is slowly being shelved around the nation.
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Watching debate again. Cain is really good. He was on savage tonight and was impressive as well.