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Who won the fight?
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Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Tyson, who was the No.1 contender, faced No.2 contender Donovan "Razor" Ruddock on March 18, 1991, in Las Vegas. Ruddock at the time was seen as the most dangerous heavyweight around and was thought of as one of the hardest punching heavyweights. Tyson and Ruddock went back and forth for most of the fight, until referee Richard Steele controversially stopped the fight during the seventh round in favor of Tyson. This decision infuriated the fans in attendance, sparking a post-fight melee in the audience and the referee had to be escorted from the ring.[40]
Tyson and Ruddock met again on June 28 that year, with Tyson knocking down Ruddock twice and winning a 12 round unanimous decision.[41] A fight between Tyson and Holyfield for the undisputed championship was arranged for the autumn of 1991.
It didn't happen though - Tyson was arrested for rape in the summer and stood trial early the following year.
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Thanks for that havnt seen that build up before, That right hand that knocked Tilman out was Fucking Awesome, and how bout his Sparring partner @ 9.07.... ;D ;D ;D No Mercy back then and that poor bastard Earned his Money Sparring that night with Mike ;D
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tyson was a beast
best fighter ever IMO
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tyson was a beast
best fighter ever IMO
Ali would have exposed him. Alot of Mike's one shot knockouts are against Tomatoes of his era. Ali wouldn't go down on one shot. Plus Ali would pick a venue in extreme heat like he did against Foreman in Africa and push the fight into later rounds.
Lennox could have defeated Mike earlier, had better tools Douglas.
Mike would have had hell against a young George Foreman, a true one shot and you are out puncher.
I'm not sure Mike would have survived a clubbing match with Joe Frazier, who was a short, compact puncher like Tyson.
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Ali would have exposed him. Alot of Mike's one shot knockouts are against Tomatoes of his era. Ali wouldn't go down on one shot. Plus Ali would pick a venue in extreme heat like he did against Foreman in Africa and push the fight into later rounds.
Lennox could have defeated Mike earlier, had better tools Douglas.
Mike would have had hell against a young George Foreman, a true one shot and you are out puncher.
I'm not sure Mike would have survived a clubbing match with Joe Frazier, who was a short, compact puncher like Tyson.
dont agree....
lewis coundnt defeat a peak tyson....
and i think tyson would destroy ali....
just hits too hard... and he hits with purpose... unlike foreman who was a big puncher who was just punching for punching sake when he fault ali..
watch that tyson v rudduck fight and watch how tyson smashes him with body shots
douglas caught a lazy complacent tyson thats all....
tysin = most feroicious... ruthless champ ever
greatest IMO
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dont agree....
lewis coundnt defeat a peak tyson....
and i think tyson would destroy ali....
just hits too hard... and he hits with purpose... unlike foreman who was a big puncher who was just punching for punching sake when he fault ali..
watch that tyson v rudduck fight and watch how tyson smashes him with body shots
douglas caught a lazy complacent tyson thats all....
tysin = most feroicious... ruthless champ ever
greatest IMO
Don't get confused. Tyson's career path was Cherry Picked by Cus D'amato and handlers. They pocketed 50% of his purses earlier in his career. Even at Mike's peak, he wouldn't have taken Holyfield out, would have had to resort to elbows and biting when Holyfield walked thru his punches.
Lennox would have kept him at bay and tagged him with rights, was just too big and skilled.
Like Holyfield, Foreman could take an accumulation of punches. Mike would not have been able to knock him out in the first 4-5 rounds. Foreman catches him late, just like he beat the snot out of Frazier.
Ali just too good.
Against those 3, Mike probably goes 1-2. No way he beats a prime Ali, Lennox and Foreman.
I like Mike but he seriously isn't the best ever.
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Ali would have exposed him. Alot of Mike's one shot knockouts are against Tomatoes of his era. Ali wouldn't go down on one shot. Plus Ali would pick a venue in extreme heat like he did against Foreman in Africa and push the fight into later rounds.
Lennox could have defeated Mike earlier, had better tools Douglas.
Mike would have had hell against a young George Foreman, a true one shot and you are out puncher.
I'm not sure Mike would have survived a clubbing match with Joe Frazier, who was a short, compact puncher like Tyson.
since when was mike a one shot boxer, he hit in bunches, ferocious bunches at that!!!
how anyone could even argue that he'd struggle with frazier shows a total lack of boxing knowledge, frazier was one of the smallest heavyweights in the 70's, and never fared well against a strong puncher, i cant recall any heavyweight being as violent and as aggressive as tyson.
all we can have is oppinions, but mine is a prime tyson would find a way to beat anyone!
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A prime Tyson would destroy Lewis ... See the haseem rackman fight with Lewis glass chin
Prime Tyson would never give Lewis a chance to settle .. Too fast coming forward moving is headless is a big clumsy guy prime Tyson would destroy him... As for Tyson v Holyfield IMO the second fight Tyson was slightly ahead.... Holyfield is known for intentionally using his head and continually head butted Tyson and the rf ignored Thelma complaints this is why Tyson snapped
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http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000474&cat=boxer (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000474&cat=boxer)
Look at Mike's career up to Holyfield. Outside of an aging Holmes he fought tomatoes. none of those guys are hall of famers, and all of them would get destroyed by ali, frazer, norton, foreman, and sunny in their primes. tim weatherspoon would clown 90% of them and he was making title defenses for FREE under don king ::). it's no different than the BS argument about FMW who would get killed by a prime leonard, duran or hearns. Mike can't do anything about his generation of fighters and Cus cherry picking. The same thing goes for the 2 russians now. mike is not the best HW ever, not even close.
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Tyson had such tremendous aggression and power during his prime. Ferocious. Even without a "ground game", Mike would knock 90 percent of UFC warriors right the fuck out within the first two minutes of a MMA fight. Guys wouldn't even be able to attempt to "take it to the ground".
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Tyson had such tremendous aggression and power during his prime. Ferocious. Even without a "ground game", Mike would knock 90 percent of UFC warriors right the fuck out within the first two minutes of a MMA fight. Guys wouldn't even be able to attempt to "take it to the ground".
we've gone over this already. boxers without some sort of a wrestling background have failed at the top level in MMA. mike's youth street fights don't count. when they go down, they can't figure out away to get back up. short term ground training has proven to be a failure.
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Cormier would've done him in. ;)
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haha G_String getting ripped to shreds on his lack of knowledge.. tyson a 'one shot' fighter, indeed ::)
plus a prime tyson would have annihilated 100% of mma fighters within seconds :)
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a prime tyson would have annihilated 100% of mma fighters within seconds :)
Truth
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Nothing beats a fight at the good ol' Mirage.........
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The last few mins of te last vid really show Mike's insecurities...
Also, next to Chuck Norris it looks like his co-star from Walker, Texas Ranger.
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Baddest dude on the planet in his prime
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haha G_String getting ripped to shreds on his lack of knowledge.. tyson a 'one shot' fighter, indeed ::)
plus a prime tyson would have annihilated 100% of mma fighters within seconds :)
you're clueless if you think mike tyson would defeat foreman, ali, frazer, norton, and lennox.
hype sells but that's bullshit.
he couldn't get past hollyfield in 2 fights.
sorry, i'm not white, so i don't quite understand the meaning of "owned" on getdumb.
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Technically speaking prime Tyson ie 85-88 version had all the tools to defeat anyone in the ring of any era.Even if some say Tyson had problems with taller opponents thats because no fighter fought him in the inside or even if they try to jab him and keep him their arms length he would still make his way in.Prime Evander holyfield couldnt take out hasbeen champions larry holmes and George Foreman while Mike tyson ko`d Larry holmes in 4 rounds.This early 90s of Mike tyson still has an edge to win but the way he fought ruddock clearly shows how his head movement faded away but still he had some raw power to put down a 6`3 guy.Lewis being a skilled fighter would succcumb to the pressure what Mike tyson of this era showed.
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gthang clearly your not a fan of tyson...
in his prime do you really think lewis could hide behind that jab ... youre crazy....
tyson was super fast and ferocious... soon as the bell rang he was coming forward head moving left right....
he would have smashed lewis like the times of old.... no chance...
and like i said watch the secnd fight with holifield imo he was ahead... until holyfield kept headbutting him
holyfield is one of my fave boxers too...
tyson fought the heavy world champ and took his title ... are you calling the heavy weight champ at that time a tomato :-\
cmon dude spinks berbic ruddock.... tomatoes....
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Technically speaking prime Tyson ie 85-88 version had all the tools to defeat anyone in the ring of any era.Even if some say Tyson had problems with taller opponents thats because no fighter fought him in the inside or even if they try to jab him and keep him their arms length he would still make his way in.Prime Evander holyfield couldnt take out hasbeen champions larry holmes and George Foreman while Mike tyson ko`d Larry holmes in 4 rounds.This early 90s of Mike tyson still has an edge to win but the way he fought ruddock clearly shows how his head movement faded away but still he had some raw power to put down a 6`3 guy.Lewis being a skilled fighter would succcumb to the pressure what Mike tyson of this era showed.
precisley...
i noticed that head movent diminished in that fight...
he smashed ruddock hard with those bodyshots
tyson was the most ferocious heavyweight boxer ever....
greatest in his prime imo
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you're clueless if you think mike tyson would defeat foreman, ali, frazer, norton, and lennox.
hype sells but that's bullshit.
he couldn't get past hollyfield in 2 fights.
sorry, i'm not white, so i don't quite understand the meaning of "owned" on getdumb.
holyfield is a head-butting piece of garbage, ask any of his peers, including riddick bowe who wears a huge scar on his head because of the head but king. anyone who knows boxing knows about this. the first of the 2 fights between tyson and head but field, he had knocked him into several blackouts, then in the second, tyson just had enough of the head butiing.
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holyfield is a head-butting piece of garbage, ask any of his peers, including riddick bowe who wears a huge scar on his head because of the head but king. anyone who knows boxing knows about this. the first of the 2 fights between tyson and head but field, he had knocked him into several blackouts, then in the second, tyson just had enough of the head butiing.
yes holyfield is known for head butting..... and tyson brought this to the attention of the ref who did nothing....
and tyson snapped
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yes, and the average cockblock, thinks tyson just bit him for no other reason than to do it
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Tyson is an all-time great, those that act like he was just the best of a bad era of boxing are foolish. In his prime he could have stood toe to toe with anyone, including Ali. Frazier put a royal ass-beating on Ali in the first fight, so why would people think Tyson couldn't? Not to mention when Ali started running his dumb mouth in a press conference, Tyson would have beat him down at the weigh in.
Ali, pre-vietnam puss-out and Tyson pre Robin Givens/Don King would have been a war.
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Tyson is an all-time great, those that act like he was just the best of a bad era of boxing are foolish. In his prime he could have stood toe to toe with anyone, including Ali. Frazier put a royal ass-beating on Ali in the first fight, so why would people think Tyson couldn't? Not to mention when Ali started running his dumb mouth in a press conference, Tyson would have beat him down at the weigh in.
Ali, pre-vietnam puss-out and Tyson pre Robin Givens/Don King would have been a war.
spot on
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A prime ruthless ferocious Mike Tyson from April 21st of 1987 to July 14th of 1988 was capable of literally killing any MMA cage fighter in about a half second, Hells Angel motorcycle gang equipped with chains and knives or even Team Six who took out bin Laden.
Mike Tyson was the most indestructible human being that ever lived and any comparisons to fighters from now until the end of eternity are a complete waste of time because he would never lose a fight in his life, it's impossible.
In fact, I would even assert that he is UNDER rated.
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dont agree....
lewis coundnt defeat a peak tyson....
and i think tyson would destroy ali....
just hits too hard... and he hits with purpose... unlike foreman who was a big puncher who was just punching for punching sake when he fault ali..
watch that tyson v rudduck fight and watch how tyson smashes him with body shots
douglas caught a lazy complacent tyson thats all....
tysin = most feroicious... ruthless champ ever
greatest IMO
Tyson Dodged Foreman, he told Don King there was no way he would fight him. Tyson knew that his style was very similar to Frazier and he would meet the same fate if he fought Foreman.
People who say that Tyson could beat Ali are just plain ignorant to the sport of boxing and have spent way too much time watching Mike's knockout clips on inferior opponents. Ali was by far a better fighter, and Tyson doesn't come close to hitting as hard as foreman did.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/lotierzo1609.php
While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, Fuckin' Tyson is scared shitless of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that Fuckin' animal, if you love the guy so much, you fight him!'"
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please post proof of tyson saying he didnt want to fight foreman.... ::)
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please post proof of tyson saying he didnt want to fight foreman.... ::)
See my post above
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Tyson Dodged Foreman, he told Don King there was no way he would fight him. Tyson knew that his style was very similar to Frazier and he would meet the same fate if he fought Foreman.
People who say that Tyson could beat Ali are just plain ignorant to the sport of boxing and have spent way too much time watching Mike's knockout clips on inferior opponents. Ali was by far a better fighter, and Tyson doesn't come close to hitting as hard as foreman did.
thanks. these guys think tyson would walk-thru the best HW in history but couldn't deal with holyfield headbutting him. ::)
he'd beat some but not all of them.
i'm waiting for someone to say pac and FMW would destroy the greatest 147s (hearns, leondard and duran).
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tyson was definitely up there with the best
what i dont think has been mentioned yet is how good his defense was in his younger years - incredible head movement & ducking/weaving. This and his speed allowed him to get inside quickly against taller guys and then unleash the fury
unfortunately as the years passed he completely slackened on this front and just chose to rely on his power and he was never the same
Yes, he was great. But to compare him to Ali is just foolish
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thanks. these guys think tyson would walk-thru the best HW in history but couldn't deal with holyfield headbutting him. ::)
he'd beat some but not all of them.
i'm waiting for someone to say pac and FMW would destroy the greatest 147s (hearns, leondard and duran).
Check out this clip on Charley Burley
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yeah i think Prime Ali would have just 'found a way' as he always seemed to - greatest of all time. and an iron chin as well (much to his long-term health detriment it would seem :()
Ali had a grade A chin, only dropped twice and never kayoed. Although I think Henry Cooper had a shot to put him away if it wasn't for Cassius Clays corner interference.
Vitali has by far the greatest chin ever though...never kayoed, never dropped and never apeared in serious trouble.
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chin's are a weird thing - you either have it or you dont
although even that can change - chuck liddell had a rock-hard chin when he was on his streak, but in his later fights it was absolutely terrible - rich franklin took him out with a short punch from his broken arm from memory, no way that would have happened a few years prior
apologies for ufc'ing the thread
Very true.
I was shocked by some of the seemingly light shots that put Liddel down in the last 5 or so of his fights.
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See my post above
a link to a site of someone saying tyson said something is not proof i want to see a video
ive met lennox lewis a couple of times....
how about i turn around and say lewis said ... i'm glad i retired i never wanted t fight that monster klitchko again" does that make it true
also do you remember the first frasier ali fight.....
that puts to bunk the whole theory that tyson couldnt get past his jab
prime tyson would have him for breakfast IMO
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Very true.
I was shocked by some of the seemingly light shots that put Liddel down in the last 5 or so of his fights.
Don't be shoked because happen very often in boxing!
Once you get KO your chin is not the same, samething happen in your head/brain and even the guy with toghest chin became softer and cannot sustain the punishment once used to sustain.
Same boxing trainer think that there is a thin line in your chin that represent a weak spot and that line get wider every time you get KO!
Look at Roy Jones after he got KO the first time was not able to sustain the punishment!
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Razor Ramon would have killed Tyson.
Hope this helps, chico.
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Anybody who says Tyson was better than Ali just doesn't know boxing, which is a shame, boxing is a very simple sport, not much to know
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Razor Ramon would have killed Tyson.
Hope this helps, chico.
"Are you Ready to Feel The Razor's Edge?"
I love that video game...
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Oh my dear God i cant believe theres someone on here ignorant enough to think Norton or Frazier would beat Tyson hahahahahahaha Ali probably, Lewis hmmm dunno, Foreman maybe but norton hahahaha
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Anybody who says Tyson was better than Ali just doesn't know boxing, which is a shame, boxing is a very simple sport, not much to know
Exactly...
brb - watching youtube videos of Tyson wiping the floor with a bunch of no name tomato cans and thinking he could beat Ali... lol
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so ... tyson beat the heavyweight champion of the world to get the belt..
guess he was a tomato too....
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Oh my dear God i cant believe theres someone on here ignorant enough to think Norton or Frazier would beat Tyson hahahahahahaha Ali probably, Lewis hmmm dunno, Foreman maybe but norton hahahaha
Tyson's record was built fighting a bunch of no name punks that were scared to death of him before they even got in the ring.
He lost to Lennox, Holyfield, and I can't think of any other proven champions that he fought in his career..
The Klitcho's are great, but even they do not face anywhere near the talent that earlier heavyweights faced. Aside from Lennox Lewis who was no phenomenal boxer, bums like a fat out of shape Chris Aerolla who stand toe to toe with no ability to slip punches are the best competition they got
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so ... tyson beat the heavyweight champion of the world to get the belt..
guess he was a tomato too....
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No, I never said that. Tyson was awesome.. period. But to make the claim that he could be a boxer from a different era, you no look at the quality of their opponents because that is all you have to judge them by, and the quality of tyson's opponents is nowhere near what Ali faced.
Buster Douglas held the title, but he was no champion, not by any stretch and Holyfield exposed that when he wiped the floor with him in Douglas's first title defense.
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tyson is the biggest fraud outside pac
1. he fought larry holmes when holmes had a 2 year layoff and 6 weeks training camp
he dropped holmes because he was out of shape. shit he took shavers biggest bombs and got up.
does that mean tyson is a harder hitter than shavers HELL NO.
2. a prime frasier who fought chuvalo would have eaten tyson up.
3. an old or young foreman would have licked him in the first round. dont forget NO ONE bangs with foreman toe to toe and wins. (unless your liston)
what about tysons power, one clean shot and he is down? guess what foreman doesnt have to block because he gets away with it and he has got
alot of heart to get up if he gets dropped
4. clay and ali would of played with tyson. but tyson trained against longer reach! well guess what he has never fought a fantastic runner
like ali or clay.
and the only way an inside fighter beats ali if you have UNLIMITED cardio to bop and weave, have a FANTASTIC CHIN and lastly enough reach to get to him.
and only 1 person had those abilities at heavyweight and you know who that is
SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER
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Tyson Dodged Foreman, he told Don King there was no way he would fight him. Tyson knew that his style was very similar to Frazier and he would meet the same fate if he fought Foreman.
People who say that Tyson could beat Ali are just plain ignorant to the sport of boxing and have spent way too much time watching Mike's knockout clips on inferior opponents. Ali was by far a better fighter, and Tyson doesn't come close to hitting as hard as foreman did.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/lotierzo1609.php
While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, Fuckin' Tyson is scared shitless of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that Fuckin' animal, if you love the #### so much, you fight him!'"
your full of fucking shit, tyson was never afraid of anyone, ever, he was to afraid of himself, to ever fear anyone more than himself. only tyson beat tyson, and we know why, but another man fighting a prime tyson? get the fuck out of here.
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tyson is the biggest fraud outside pac
1. he fought larry holmes when holmes had a 2 year layoff and 6 weeks training camp
he dropped holmes because he was out of shape. shit he took shavers biggest bombs and got up.
does that mean tyson is a harder hitter than shavers HELL NO.
2. a prime frasier who fought chuvalo would have eaten tyson up.
3. an old or young foreman would have licked him in the first round. dont forget NO ONE bangs with foreman toe to toe and wins. (unless your liston)
what about tysons power, one clean shot and he is down? guess what foreman doesnt have to block because he gets away with it and he has got
alot of heart to get up if he gets dropped
4. clay and ali would of played with tyson. but tyson trained against longer reach! well guess what he has never fought a fantastic runner
like ali or clay.
and the only way an inside fighter beats ali if you have UNLIMITED cardio to bop and weave, have a FANTASTIC CHIN and lastly enough reach to get to him.
and only 1 person had those abilities at heavyweight and you know who that is
SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER
ali would look at films of tyson and take the fight past the 5th round.
tyson vs frazier is a pick em. who hurts who first?
lennox lost to cans because of over confidence. he wouldn't sleep walk his way into the ring with tyson, even in their primes.
foreman got out boxed by ali, but demolished a slugger like frazier. which one is tyson?
tyson's boxrec is up. who did he fight before holyfield, in terms of their place in boxing history? i see an aging holmes. that's it.
tyson beats someone in this bunch but no way in hell all of them.
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your full of fucking shit, tyson was never afraid of anyone, ever, he was to afraid of himself, to ever fear anyone more than himself. only tyson beat tyson, and we know why, but another man fighting a prime tyson? get the fuck out of here.
brb - watching youtube videos of Tyson wiping the floor with a bunch of tomato cans and then thinking he is the greatest.. lol
Stick to oiling up your body and wearing thongs in front of gays for money, because it's very clear that you are brain dead. Luckily it doesn't take brains to "lift things up and put dem down"
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Tyson had such tremendous aggression and power during his prime. Ferocious. Even without a "ground game", Mike would knock 90 percent of UFC warriors right the fuck out within the first two minutes of a MMA fight. Guys wouldn't even be able to attempt to "take it to the ground".
Maybe they "attempt" to misinterpret the word octagon for queen sized bed?
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Young, prime, hungry Tyson is up there with the best heavyweights of all time. Ruthless.
Saddens me that some guys seem to be beleive that Lennox Lewis deserves a similar position amongst the heavyweighty Gods.
Klitchko, both of them in fact, are average boxers in possibly the weakest HW era of all time. I don't think i've watched a HW fight this century.
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Young, prime, hungry Tyson is up there with the best heavyweights of all time. Ruthless.
Saddens me that some guys seem to be beleive that Lennox Lewis deserves a similar position amongst the heavyweighty Gods.
Klitchko, both of them in fact, are average boxers in possibly the weakest HW era of all time. I don't think i've watched a HW fight this century.
x2 Ruthless and unstoppable in his Prime years 1986-89
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Young, prime, hungry Tyson is up there with the best heavyweights of all time. Ruthless.
Saddens me that some guys seem to be beleive that Lennox Lewis deserves a similar position amongst the heavyweighty Gods.
Klitchko, both of them in fact, are average boxers in possibly the weakest HW era of all time. I don't think i've watched a HW fight this century.
You're an idiot.
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Only G thang knows what the fuck he is talking about in this thread.
Holyfield schooled Tyson with physical strength on the inside, the same would be he case with Ali, Foreman and Lewis. Mikes biggest weakness was the ease that he could be pushed back, that and will in the face of adversity.
Exceptional offensive fighter though, best all round heavyweight puncher along with Joe Louis.
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are any of you seriously even discussing frazier v tyson?,,,,, if you are , your telling me your a moron!
i can see the view of ali the the talented boxer with the good chin, or georgie with the big punch, but fuck off with frazier n nortan..
might as well dig joe lewis up to beat him too!, fucking unreal!!!!!
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are any of you seriously even discussing frazier v tyson?,,,,, if you are , your telling me your a moron!
i can see the view of ali the the talented boxer with the good chin, or georgie with the big punch, but fuck off with frazier n nortan..
might as well dig joe lewis up to beat him too!, fucking unreal!!!!!
He would fuck Joe up early most likely but if it goes past 6 then Frazier would break Tyson down badly, my money would be on Tyson early. Norton? Kenny was a very good awkward boxer but he couldn't deal with punchers.
Ali is all wrong for Mike as is Lewis, Foreman is a pick em fight, Georges strength and clubbing power against Mikes speed and accuracy, it would probably depend on the referee, he lets George push off hten Mike is at a real dissadvantage.
All styles have weaknesses its just the way it is, people go to far with the worship and criticism.
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He would fuck Joe up early most likely but if it goes past 6 then Frazier would break Tyson down badly, my money would be on Tyson early. Norton? Kenny was a very good awkward boxer but he couldn't deal with punchers.
Ali is all wrong for Mike as is Lewis, Foreman is a pick em fight, Georges strength and clubbing power against Mikes speed and accuracy, it would probably depend on the referee, he lets George push off hten Mike is at a real dissadvantage.
All styles have weaknesses its just the way it is, people go to far with the worship and criticism.
Some of the greats had granite chins like Holyfield. Also, look at the ounces of their gloves. They were basically fighting with tape on their fists vs pillows the guys use today. I'm not buying Tyson putting all of them down in the 1st 5 rounds, in which he be fucked after that. And god forbid he'd have to fight 15 rounds like those guys did.
Tyson was undersized, dynamic and fast but was most of all a money bag for Cus and Don King, so they kept the right opponent in front of him early in his career. I don't know what to say about the post Robin Givens and Buster Tyson.
I say he can't get Foreman, Ali and Lennox out early enough, esp Ali, given he would BS, absorb punches like he did against Foreman and drag the fight into later rounds.
I've got pick em with Frazier. Tyson didn't punch as hard as Foremen, damn sure wouldn't be lifting Frazier off the canvas. Could he get rid of Frazier in the 1st couple of rounds, because old school cardio and endurance would favor Frazier.
Tyson was good but not even close to the best. At least beat Holyfield once which he couldn't even do.
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Exactly...
brb - watching youtube videos of Tyson wiping the floor with a bunch of no name tomato cans and thinking he could beat Ali... lol
yeah, Leon Spinx was an "all-time" great..... ::)
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Not this thread again ! LOL ! Hell, I'll give my two cents. Tyson was a GOD in his prime. An absolute ruthless, unstoppable, bloodthirsty GOD. NO ONE, other than Ali and Foreman, could even remotely hang out in his realm. The man was omnipotent !!! I'm surprised with some of the hate goin' on in this thread. Not the majority, but there seems to be a few people in this thread who never had the HONOR and PRIVELAGE of watchin' Tyson's earlier fights. I still get goosebumps to this day watchin' some of his earlier fights. Just goosebumps. :/
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Not this thread again ! LOL ! Hell, I'll give my two cents. Tyson was a GOD in his prime. An absolute ruthless, unstoppable, bloodthirsty GOD. NO ONE, other than Ali and Foreman, could even remotely hang out in his realm. The man was omnipotent !!! I'm surprised with some of the hate goin' on in this thread. Not the majority, but there seems to be a few people in this thread who never had the HONOR and PRIVELAGE of watchin' Tyson's earlier fights. I still get goosebumps to this day watchin' some of his earlier fights. Just goosebumps. :/
haha
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Ali would have exposed him. Alot of Mike's one shot knockouts are against Tomatoes of his era. Ali wouldn't go down on one shot. Plus Ali would pick a venue in extreme heat like he did against Foreman in Africa and push the fight into later rounds.
Lennox could have defeated Mike earlier, had better tools Douglas.
Mike would have had hell against a young George Foreman, a true one shot and you are out puncher.
I'm not sure Mike would have survived a clubbing match with Joe Frazier, who was a short, compact puncher like Tyson.
::) STFU Thong.
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are any of you seriously even discussing frazier v tyson?,,,,, if you are , your telling me your a moron!
i can see the view of ali the the talented boxer with the good chin, or georgie with the big punch, but fuck off with frazier n nortan..
might as well dig joe lewis up to beat him too!, fucking unreal!!!!!
you are a drop kick to even think tyson could hang with frazier or norton.
fraziers chin is one of the best and even if he did go toe to toe with tyson he would spank him because you cannot break frazier mentally
or physically unless your foreman.
norton would just run and you know what tyson doesnt throw a punch if the opponent is moving back. (watch holmes in the first couple of rounds)
he was fuked couldnt do nothing when holmes gassed then tyson demolished him.
lennox lewis and the bitchko sisters are cut from the same cloth (style wise) they stand and shoot because of their reach and height. they dont run. tyson could beat them if he had cus nad only cus beause thats what he trained for his whole life. fighting against tall lanky fighters with no cardio and couldnt run if their life depended on it.
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your full of fucking shit, tyson was never afraid of anyone, ever, he was to afraid of himself, to ever fear anyone more than himself. only tyson beat tyson, and we know why, but another man fighting a prime tyson? get the fuck out of here.
tyson was a student of boxing. and ANYONE WHO KNOWS BOXING knows you never walk in against foreman unless you have the chin and body conditioning and TREMENDOUS POWER. and tyson has nothing of the sort except great punch that he couldnt knock out holyfield when he was standing right infront of him.
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tyson was a student of boxing. and ANYONE WHO KNOWS BOXING knows you never walk in against foreman unless you have the chin and body conditioning and TREMENDOUS POWER. and tyson has nothing of the sort except great punch that he couldnt knock out holyfield when he was standing right infront of him.
Well said...
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i'll tell you what.....marciano had a murderous punch.....as did tyson.....but foreman was just viscious with his punches.....joe frazier was a tad lighter than most of the other heavyweights.....but he kicked the tar out of ali.....which not too many other fighters ever did.
imho