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Let's focus upon his performance as he asked. He tripled Texas' debt. Obama's raised our national debt by 35%.
From 2001 to 2010, Texas' state debt under Perry grew from $13.4 billion to $37.8 billion , according to the Texas Bond Review Board
So yes, it looks like Perry is outperforming Obama in terms of amassing debt....the national debt is up a very dismal 35% under Obama.
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lol. Someone has been mining Democratic Underground again. :)
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lol. Someone has been mining Democratic Underground again. :)
attack the messenger and not the message. ::)
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Let's focus upon his performance as he asked. He tripled Texas' debt. Obama's raised our national debt by 35%.
From 2001 to 2010, Texas' state debt under Perry grew from $13.4 billion to $37.8 billion , according to the Texas Bond Review Board
So yes, it looks like Perry is outperforming Obama in terms of amassing debt....the national debt is up a very dismal 35% under Obama.
yeah but look at what he got for more than doubling the debt
more people in poverty
lowest level of high school graduates in the country
highest % of residents without health insurane
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yeah but look at what he got for more than doubling the debt
more people in poverty
lowest level of high school graduates in the country
highest % of residents without health insurane
Already been refuted. Take out the illegal immigrants and Texas outperforms states like Wisconsin, despite being outspent.
Reply in advance: I won't do your research.
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Perry tripled the TX Debt.
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Perry added 50% of all jobs in the US since 2009 and added a ton of debt.
Obama destroyed the US debt and also lost millions of jobs.
So Perry has a batting avg. of .500 and Obama is rocking a bit fat .000. Oh, my. Not looking good for your God-King. Spending and a lack of jobs versus spending and a lot of jobs. Wonder who wins that?
Funny that RINO Perry is better at Keynesian economics than Obama.
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Perry added 50% of all jobs in the US since 2009 and added a ton of debt.
Obama destroyed the US debt and also lost millions of jobs.
So Perry has a batting avg. of .500 and Obama is rocking a bit fat .000. Oh, my. Not looking good for your God-King. Spending and a lack of jobs versus spending and a lot of jobs. Wonder who wins that?
Funny that RINO Perry is better at Keynesian economics than Obama.
hey, if .500 average if good enough, and it's obama versus perry, I'm with you.
Are there any other republicans in the race, like say, Ron Paul, that might be able to create jobs WITHOUT tripling a debt, maybe we should consider them a little more strongly?
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hey, if .500 average if good enough, and it's obama versus perry, I'm with you.
Are there any other republicans in the race, like say, Ron Paul, that might be able to create jobs WITHOUT tripling a debt, maybe we should consider them a little more strongly?
Oh, I forgot. You're on the Ron Paul wagon now, despite the fact that you disagree with everything he embodies. Silly me.
Tell us again how you support the guy but think he was 100% wrong on calling for a US default. That was good for a few laughs the first time I saw it. ::)
Like I've said already, you know Ron Paul has made it when the groupies like 180 have jumped on his wagon without even bothering to research any of his viewpoints.
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i like most of what RPaul stands for. I was all about RP in 2008 as well, you may recall. I cried like a little bitch when Hannity hated on him nonstop, remember?
Yes, ANY candidate calling for a default is wrong. But as we see, none of these GOPers are perfect.
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You are fos.
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You are fos.
brutal attack 240 tactic
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No its not. You don't believe in shit other than so far as it props up obama.
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i like most of what RPaul stands for. I was all about RP in 2008 as well, you may recall. I cried like a little bitch when Hannity hated on him nonstop, remember?
Yes, ANY candidate calling for a default is wrong. But as we see, none of these GOPers are perfect.
Rob, you really are all over the map...in your politics.
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Rob, you really are all over the map...in your politics.
i'm a little manic, i'd wager.
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perry took 14.4 billion of stimulus money in 2009.
Also, he increased texas debt from 13 to 35 billion.
oh, and he used to work as Al Gore's campaign manager.
THIS is the best repubs can do these days!
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Rick Perry's Texas jobs boom: The whole story
By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney August 13, 2011: 2:34 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Texas has created a lot of jobs over the 10 years that Rick Perry's been governor -- there's no doubt about it.
Perry, who is formally launching his presidential candidacy on Saturday, is making his state's economic prowess a centerpiece of his campaign. Already he's been bragging about his state being the "epicenter of job growth."
102616Print Texas has gained more than 1 million net new jobs in the decade Perry has led the state. And it's been going strong since the recession ended.
"We are home to fewer than one in 10 Americans ... but four in 10 new American jobs are in our state," he told a conference of state legislators from around the nation this week.
But that doesn't mean that all is well with employment in the Lone Star State. Texas leads the nation in minimum-wage jobs, and many positions don't offer health benefits. Also, steep budget cuts are expected to result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs.
Perhaps most importantly, Texas can't create jobs fast enough to keep up with its rapidly growing population. Since 2007, the state's number of working-age residents expanded by 6.6%, nearly twice the national average.
Factoring in that population growth means Texas would need to create another 629,000 jobs, or 5.6% more positions, just to reach its pre-recession employment level, according to the Economic Policy Institute.
"They have a long way to go before they get back to a positive place," said Doug Hall, director of the Economic Analysis and Research Network, an institute project.
0:00 / 1:49 Texans grab their guns as economy stalls
Still, Texas has been adding jobs at a rapid clip since the recession's end in 2009. The state has created nearly 297,000 net new positions since June of that year, representing a major chunk of the nation's 715,000 gain, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Of course, Texas enjoys advantages that have nothing to do with having Perry at the helm. Rich in natural resources, the state has been benefiting from the high price of oil and the expanded interest in natural gas exploration. Energy employment has soared by 16.8% over the past year alone.
While the energy sector is driving much of the recent jobs expansion, nearly all industries are doing well, said Jim Gaines, research economist at The Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University.
Construction jobs, for instance, have grown by 5.4% in the past year, according to the center. Employment in professional services is up 4.5% and in the hospitality business by 3%. Only the government and information technology sectors have seen drops, of 1.4% and 5%, respectively.
"Texas has fared better than most of the nation," said Terry Clower, who directs the Center for Economic Development and Research at the University of North Texas. "Private sector job creation has been pretty strong compared to most other states."
The secret, according to Perry, is low taxes, predictable regulation, a fair legal system, and a skilled workforce. And he's been sharing it with companies around the country, hoping to lure them to his state. Some are heeding his siren call, lured by the state's low cost of doing business, as well as Texas Enterprise Fund, which has awarded companies $440 million to relocate since it was created in 2003.
Texas, however, still faces many challenges on the jobs front. Many of the positions that have been created are on the lower end of the pay scale. Some 550,000 workers last year were paid at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25, more than double the number making those wages in 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That's 9.5% of Texas' hourly workforce, which gives it the highest percentage of minimum-wage hourly workers in the nation -- a dubious title it shares with Mississippi.
"We have created jobs, but they are not jobs with good wages and benefits," said F. Scott McCown, executive director, Center for Public Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income residents.
Going forward, the Lone Star State will have to work even harder to create jobs. That's because Perry signed a budget in May that slashes $15 billion in government spending over the next two years. Also, the federal stimulus funds that poured into the state since 2009 have largely dried up.
The state budget cuts alone could result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs, many of them in the public sector, Clower said. Thousands of teachers are already feeling the impact of more than $5 billion in cuts to education funding.
The state's rapidly expanding population has been both a blessing and a curse. While it has spurred the creation of jobs to service the new residents, it has also kept the state's unemployment rate higher than one would expect for a place that's adding so many positions. Texas' unemployment rate is 8.2% -- lower than the nation's, but higher than 25 other states.
Unless Perry can push job creation into overdrive, the rate is likely to stay high, economists say.
"Our labor force is growing substantially faster than we can grow jobs," Gaines said.
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perry took 14.4 billion of stimulus money in 2009.
Also, he increased texas debt from 13 to 35 billion.
oh, and he used to work as Al Gore's campaign manager.
THIS is the best repubs can do these days!
brutal...he wont recover...
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brutal...he wont recover...
Oh I'd say the fact the stimulus was a colossal failure will be a little more important.
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Oh I'd say the fact the stimulus was a colossal failure will be a little more important.
Without the stimulus money, Perry would have QUADRUPLED the TX debt while in office.
But hey, if that's the best you can do in the GOP field... yikes. But let me guess, he's a great speaker, right? ;)
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Without the stimulus money, Perry would have QUADRUPLED the TX debt while in office.
But hey, if that's the best you can do in the GOP field... yikes. But let me guess, he's a great speaker, right? ;)
::) I haven't listened to a single Perry speech, so I couldn't say.
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Oh I'd say the fact the stimulus was a colossal failure will be a little more important.
but like he supported it.. and isnt that important
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He tripled Texas debt?
Communists traitor.
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but like he supported it.. and isnt that important
He supported it or took the money?
And yes, it's important, but to say he won't recover is a pretty big overstatement.
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He supported it or took the money?
And yes, it's important, but to say he won't recover is a pretty big overstatement.
he criticized obama for teh stimulus, took the money, and STILL went into debt. Tripled the state's debt.
He'd do a fine job as president. I just like the record of Bachmann in terms of fiscal responsibility. Methinks perry just likes to blow money a little too much.
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he criticized obama for teh stimulus, took the money, and STILL went into debt. Tripled the state's debt.
He'd do a fine job as president. I just like the record of Bachmann in terms of fiscal responsibility. Methinks perry just likes to blow money a little too much.
Yeah Michelle is great, she voted no on the 800 billion stimulus but voted yes to the extra 190 billion when the 800 billion didn't work. Keep her away from Macy's May Day sale.
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Yeah Michelle is great, she voted no on the 800 billion stimulus but voted yes to the extra 190 billion when the 800 billion didn't work. Keep her away from Macy's May Day sale.
yes to the 180 billion? WTF are you talking about?
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He supported it or took the money?
And yes, it's important, but to say he won't recover is a pretty big overstatement.
but isnt taking the money like supporting it..and going against the principals of his party..
kind of like..
im against stolen cars..and if someone stole one.. im not gonna take it..cuz im against
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but isnt taking the money like supporting it..and going against the principals of his party..
kind of like..
im against stolen cars..and if someone stole one.. im not gonna take it..cuz im against
Not really. I think that's a better argument against someone who actually voted on the stimulus. I think governors who didn't accept the money (to the extent they exist) showed some backbone, but I don't fault any of them for taking the money after Congress approved it.
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yes to the 180 billion? WTF are you talking about?
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm)
Too bad the dreamers and delusional morons were too blind to see the reality of this american hating commie dirtbag MB voting to sabotage and wreck our country.
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http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm)
Too bad the dreamers and delusional morons were too blind to see the reality of this american hating commie dirtbag MB voting to sabotage and wreck our country.
Dear 180 or Oz,
You hate america, and obama is way worse.
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Dear 180 or Oz,
You hate america, and obama is way worse.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Dear 180 or Oz,
You hate america, and obama is way worse.
No! Where have we heard this before? Could it before from someone with no other substance to post to refute FACTS that don't agree with his little delusions?
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Yeah, go look at the link and scroll the entire page. Other than that one vote which, her record is great compared to "voted present" who never had the balls to vote on anything.
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kind of like..
im against stolen cars..
That's unfair, mal - it's not the cars' fault.
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Conservatives need to do some research on Rick Perry's past. He is not the answer if you want smaller government. He represents the same interests that Obama and Bush did before him. Poison to this country.
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Conservatives need to do some research on Rick Perry's past. He is not the answer if you want smaller government. He represents the same interests that Obama and Bush did before him. Poison to this country.
That's obvious but most people in the country are at best 'social conservatives' and worry about religious misdemeanours and such but not the bigger picture.
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That's obvious but most people in the country are at best 'social conservatives' and worry about religious misdemeanours and such but not the bigger picture.
For me its not hard at all. Easy calculus in this for 2012.
Vote for RP or MB in the primary, vote for GOP nominee in the general.
Anything else is madness at this piont.
Here is why, even though I admit Perry seems like a RINO x 10.
If Obama gets a second term - we are guaranteed 100% he will be a complete disaster even worse than his first term as he does worry about re-election. If the GOP wins the senate and holds the house - it will be bloodsport like you have not seen in ages, especially on SC picks.
If the GOP wins POTUS, they start out with a 50/50 chance of fucking up as bad as obama did his first term.
With those odds and numbers - I would vote for Charles Manson for PTUS over Obama is allowed to.
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i would say it's time for the repubs to go back to the drawing board :D
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That's obvious but most people in the country are at best 'social conservatives' and worry about religious misdemeanours and such but not the bigger picture.
BINGO.
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i would say it's time for the repubs to go back to the drawing board :D
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Christie will be more of the same.
IMO, the problem isn't the candidates - it's this dual-nature political belief thing.
Repubs are trying to serve two masters - so they end up being jack of 2 trades, master of none. They can't just sack up and join the tea party movement, but they can't reject them either.
ANY 2012 candidate is going to face this mess. You want a big business guy (like romney or Perry) and you're going to get their lib and debt baggage. You want a responsible fiscal con like bachmann, you're going to get their religious nutbaggery.
Know theyself - THEN choose a candidate.
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Christie will be more of the same.
IMO, the problem isn't the candidates - it's this dual-nature political belief thing.
Repubs are trying to serve two masters - so they end up being jack of 2 trades, master of none. They can't just sack up and join the tea party movement, but they can't reject them either.
ANY 2012 candidate is going to face this mess. You want a big business guy (like romney or Perry) and you're going to get their lib and debt baggage. You want a responsible fiscal con like bachmann, you're going to get their religious nutbaggery.
Know theyself - THEN choose a candidate.
End of Story
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Christie will be more of the same.
IMO, the problem isn't the candidates - it's this dual-nature political belief thing.
Repubs are trying to serve two masters - so they end up being jack of 2 trades, master of none. They can't just sack up and join the tea party movement, but they can't reject them either.
ANY 2012 candidate is going to face this mess. You want a big business guy (like romney or Perry) and you're going to get their lib and debt baggage. You want a responsible fiscal con like bachmann, you're going to get their religious nutbaggery.
Know theyself - THEN choose a candidate.
Christie more of the same? WTF is wrong with you?
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Christie more of the same? WTF is wrong with you?
the guy took a helicopter and limo to a baseball game. he ordered a limo to drive him 50 yards cause he didn't wanna walk. THEN he went to a fundraiser.
that kind of sloth doesn't happen in a vacuum, champ ;) I got $5 that says he's just more of the same repub "lay down and spread them for the rich donors while slashing every public system possible".
And if you don't think every teacher, fireman and cop in the nation wouldn't go door-to-door to prevent a Christie presidency, you're in denial champ.
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the guy took a helicopter and limo to a baseball game. he ordered a limo to drive him 50 yards cause he didn't wanna walk. THEN he went to a fundraiser.
that kind of sloth doesn't happen in a vacuum, champ ;) I got $5 that says he's just more of the same repub "lay down and spread them for the rich donors while slashing every public system possible".
And if you don't think every teacher, fireman and cop in the nation wouldn't go door-to-door to prevent a Christie presidency, you're in denial champ.
Please post Cuomo's use of the private copter and plane that is now an issue as well.
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Please post Cuomo's use of the private copter and plane that is now an issue as well.
??? i haven't seen that story. post away. if cuomo drove a limo 50 yards, then he's a lazy fatass too. get both their asses in the gym, see if you can get a Lazy Politician discount or something.
if you think I'm defending the anti-gun troll, cuomo.... lmao
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Christie will be more of the same.
IMO, the problem isn't the candidates - it's this dual-nature political belief thing.
Repubs are trying to serve two masters - so they end up being jack of 2 trades, master of none. They can't just sack up and join the tea party movement, but they can't reject them either.
ANY 2012 candidate is going to face this mess. You want a big business guy (like romney or Perry) and you're going to get their lib and debt baggage. You want a responsible fiscal con like bachmann, you're going to get their religious nutbaggery.
Know theyself - THEN choose a candidate.
Romney and Perry will be more of the same. I'll take the baggage of anyone who is serious about the debt problem.
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Romney and Perry will be more of the same. I'll take the baggage of anyone who is serious about the debt problem.
that would be bachmann. i'll vote for her in a heartbeat over romney and perry.
33, who would you pick if it was down to these 3?
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that would be bachmann. i'll vote for her in a heartbeat over romney and perry.
33, who would you pick if it was down to these 3?
I already said I am torn between RP and Bachmann right now.
but in the general - I would vote for a aids infected homeless bum on a cardboard mat over obama if the choice has to be made.
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Is the debt in danger of not being repaid? If not, does it carry any negative repercussions for the state. Just saying "debt is up" without context doesn't mean much.
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Is the debt in danger of not being repaid? If not, does it carry any negative repercussions for the state. Just saying "debt is up" without context doesn't mean much.
Why do you support Obama?
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Why do you support Obama?
I was referring to the Texas debt, no the U.S's.
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Already been refuted. Take out the illegal immigrants and Texas outperforms states like Wisconsin, despite being outspent.
Reply in advance: I won't do your research.
transalation = you heard it somewhere and puked it up here and can't be bothered to find out if it's even true
I suspect it is true and you're wrong
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Perry added 50% of all jobs in the US since 2009 and added a ton of debt.
Obama destroyed the US debt and also lost millions of jobs.
So Perry has a batting avg. of .500 and Obama is rocking a bit fat .000. Oh, my. Not looking good for your God-King. Spending and a lack of jobs versus spending and a lot of jobs. Wonder who wins that?
Funny that RINO Perry is better at Keynesian economics than Obama.
??? I thought the Private Sector was supposed to create jobs, not the Government. ???
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transalation = you heard it somewhere and puked it up here and can't be bothered to find out if it's even true
I suspect it is true and you're wrong
Should I care whether you believe it or not? You're nothing more than a whiny bitch who seems to think he's important enough to not have to Google anything himself - a classic disease most Bay-area trash suffer from.
Protip: No one cares about your opinion. It's an internet forum. Anyone on here could disappear forever and it would carry on unimpeded.