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That phony Coach quoted me as saying the Hack Squat was good for the knees. This is patently false and I don't recommend doing this exercise.
I built a Hack Machine for my gym because the fellows wanted one. I also made it a Calf Machine which has value. People do a lot of silly things
because they see it in a magazine. Well, don't do this exercise. Stick with Squats and Leg Presses.
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I like the counterweight...
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That phony Coach quoted me as saying the Hack Squat was good for the knees. This is patently false and I don't recommend doing this exercise.
I built a Hack Machine for my gym because the fellows wanted one. I also made it a Calf Machine which has value. People do a lot of silly things
because they see it in a magazine. Well, don't do this exercise. Stick with Squats and Leg Presses.
What makes Hacks dangerous? I use the machine as an alternate to squats and I don't see a problem.
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That phony Coach quoted me as saying the Hack Squat was good for the knees. This is patently false and I don't recommend doing this exercise.
I built a Hack Machine for my gym because the fellows wanted one. I also made it a Calf Machine which has value. People do a lot of silly things
because they see it in a magazine. Well, don't do this exercise. Stick with Squats and Leg Presses.
love love love the hack squat, nothing hits the glutes like hack squat
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What makes Hacks dangerous? I use the machine as an alternate to squats and I don't see a problem.
Because your back is supported, your hamstrings have less involvement to balance the leg making for greater sheering forces on the kneecap.
With that being said, I still do a lot of Hacks and use a heavy weight. But I also make sure to not rely on them and still do full squats as well.
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always feel the knees when i do hacks
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not dangerous so long as your doing the reps in a controlled fashion.
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You have to do the exercise right and preferably after a warmup with other exercises.
The lads in my gym liked the original version of the machine because it reduced their bodyweight so made it easier to do.
When I increased the angle from 40 degrees to 60 degrees many complained. Yes, now they were lifting 90% of what they weigh
plus 90% of what was on machine. I had to increase the weight of the counterbalance so that the heavy sled weighs only 5 or
10 pounds. It is a wonderful calf machine, though. You can face in or out and do heel raises that feel great.
Whenever you put your feet beyond your knees you are generating a shearing force on your knees. I never do this exercise for
that reason. As you get older you need to protect your knees not damage them. Likewise, I don't recommend doing lunges.
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You have to do the exercise right and preferably after a warmup with other exercises.
The lads in my gym liked the original version of the machine because it reduced their bodyweight so made it easier to do.
When I increased the angle from 40 degrees to 60 degrees many complained. Yes, now they were lifting 90% of what they weigh
plus 90% of what was on machine. I had to increase the weight of the counterbalance so that the heavy sled weighs only 5 or
10 pounds. It is a wonderful calf machine, though. You can face in or out and do heel raises that feel great.
Whenever you put your feet beyond your knees you are generating a shearing force on your knees. I never do this exercise for
that reason. As you get older you need to protect your knees not damage them. Likewise, I don't recommend doing lunges.
Food for thought.
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Basil, do know anything about bio-mechanics on how it relates to joint integrity and breakdown? Or the sheer force of a load coming down at about a 45 degree angle?
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There is a calf machine in the bally's I go to, it's a cable machine and I think it says free motion on it or something. You can move your calves around on it as u press, get such a good burn on the outer calf muscle. I don't remember what its called exactly
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Basil you're not going to get this from me very often but I apologize. I misread your quote in the knee thread I thought you said "so DO hacks" as in so do hack instead of...so for that I'm sorry. But I still stick by that machines have no place for knee pain or rehab.
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Tear drop quads are built with hack squats.
Anything to do with leg exercise will always get the weak to say this machine that machine or this exercise is no good. Just shut up and squat already!
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Basil you're not going to get this from me very often but I apologize. I misread your quote in the knee thread I thought you said "so DO hacks" as in so do hack instead of...so for that I'm sorry. But I still stick by that machines have no place for knee pain or rehab.
It is always refreshing to read the opinion of a true authority.
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"The weak" hacks are not good on knees. (I put it in laymen to help you get it).
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And that's what knee wraps are for. Of course, I'd recommend using a barbell squat on a cage because its more effective and less expensive for most gyms. Spending over 2k for a machine that does only one movement is a waste in my opinion
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That phony Coach quoted me as saying the Hack Squat was good for the knees. This is patently false and I don't recommend doing this exercise.
I built a Hack Machine for my gym because the fellows wanted one. I also made it a Calf Machine which has value. People do a lot of silly things
because they see it in a magazine. Well, don't do this exercise. Stick with Squats and Leg Presses.
Knee killers
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All the Getbig experts have arrived now! Listen, Melvin, if you need to wrap a joint to train it you are doing something wrong. Do something else for a start.
That machine I made has stainless steel parts, special shafts and bearings and took a long time (over 120 hours!) to design then 6 months to build, plus it has been modified several times. It owes me at least
$30,000 and that doesn't include factory costs. I built it to see if I could make the best piece of gym equipment ever put in a gym. I think I succeeded. It doubles as a
Calf slide machine. That is why I increased the angle. We had a big bloke named Joe L who would load 700 pounds + on it for heel raises. On the low angle the shafts would bend
so I decided to make it steeper. Some guys don't like it now and said it was better before. Everyone is an expert in this game!
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haha, got to love the ego trainers - "i can't put as much weight on so it's no good"
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Basil, I already told you if you want to go head to head in a training debate I'm willing, pick the subject.
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All the Getbig experts have arrived now! Listen, Melvin, if you need to wrap a joint to train it you are doing something wrong. Do something else for a start.
That machine I made has stainless steel parts, special shafts and bearings and took a long time (over 120 hours!) to design then 6 months to build, plus it has been modified several times. It owes me at least
$30,000 and that doesn't include factory costs. I built it to see if I could make the best piece of gym equipment ever put in a gym. I think I succeeded. It doubles as a
Calf slide machine. That is why I increased the angle. We had a big bloke named Joe L who would load 700 pounds + on it for heel raises. On the low angle the shafts would bend
so I decided to make it steeper. Some guys don't like it now and said it was better before. Everyone is an expert in this game!
You wrap it if its hurting when you train to properly stabilize it and keep you from twisting on it wrong. But like I said before, I think that all hack squat machines are a waste of money because inferior compared to a freeweight exercise....especially something that you spent 30k to build which in my option looks like every other hack squat out there. For 2k, I can fully equip a personal trainer who wants to open a private studio that will allow him to train any client that comes in.
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Vince G ......I think you best comment on who makes the best training bra because you know nothing about gym equipment.
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I could make a long list of potentially dangerous exercises that are done daily on commonly "accepted' machines.
Another "dangerous" machine is the hip abductor/adductor machine. Every gym should be WITHOUT one.
Almost any exercise you do carries potential harm without understanding proper exercise form or the *kinesiology* of exercise.
The Bench Press can easily be another bitch. See people doing it wrong every day. Makes me cringe...
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I hate the fact that most hack squat machines put your head in a forward position.
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I've worked up to 5 or 6 plates for a good 8-10 reps on the hack.... Didn't really see any improvement on the quads...
Zack khan blew both knees on the hack... I think I saw video of him rehabbing the knees back onthe hack squat machine
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I hate the fact that most hack squat machines put your head in a forward position.
This. I have injured my neck with these because of the angle of the head pad. Also, the platform where you put your feet is always too small (not long enough). for the excercise to be okay for my knees, my toes are hanging off the end of the platform. I like doing them for high rep sets with my feet close together sometimes. I never do these heavy anymore.
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I used Hack machine only for a few times in my life...and I don't like it... ;)
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Try them the tom platz style.
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Don't like hack squats, never use them. Free weight squats, lunges and leg presses is all I do.
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I used Hack machine only for a few times in my life...and I don't like it... ;)
::)
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Try them the tom platz style.
Looks like a modified sissy squat. I'll have to try it.
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always feel the knees when i do hacks
This...
Wrecks my knees
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That phony Coach quoted me as saying the Hack Squat was good for the knees. This is patently false and I don't recommend doing this exercise.
I built a Hack Machine for my gym because the fellows wanted one. I also made it a Calf Machine which has value. People do a lot of silly things
because they see it in a magazine. Well, don't do this exercise. Stick with Squats and Leg Presses.
In a good hack you have adjustable foot board, so you can change the stand and it will be better of your legs and knees. It is amazing how much difference that makes to your training. We have that option with the leg pressing machine also, it is quite good. For workout it is all about the personal dimensions and angles, so if you have adjustable machine, it will be good to anyone.
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WOW... watching Platz do those "sissy" type hack squats was rough... I was almost waiting for his knee caps to burst :-X
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If your not zack kahn you prob be ok
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can you hack dis succckkkkaaaaa..... with apologies to booker T. old skool
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(http://www.musclemass.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jay-cutler-treino.jpg)
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Because your back is supported, your hamstrings have less involvement to balance the leg making for greater sheering forces on the kneecap.
With that being said, I still do a lot of Hacks and use a heavy weight. But I also make sure to not rely on them and still do full squats as well.
good post brotha
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Try them the tom platz style.
I've done them like that love them, though again, I don't RELY on them. Maybe once every few months and if I were to compete I would do them more frequently.
Also, even though it's a seminar, I doubt The Golden Eagle goes much higher in weight than the empty machine he's using there. It's about quality, not quantity.
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I've done them like that love them, though again, I don't RELY on them. Maybe once every few months and if I were to compete I would do them more frequently.
Also, even though it's a seminar, I doubt The Golden Eagle goes much higher in weight than the empty machine he's using there. It's about quality, not quantity.
Absolutely, hack weight should be moderate and the squeeze in the hams and ass cheeks must be felt and savored.
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Try them the tom platz style.
That's a good exercise!
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That's a good exercise!
Clusterfuck of injuries.
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Clusterfuck of injuries.
We did it in giant set style with light weight...
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Doesn't matter.
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Because your back is supported, your hamstrings have less involvement to balance the leg making for greater sheering forces on the kneecap.
With that being said, I still do a lot of Hacks and use a heavy weight. But I also make sure to not rely on them and still do full squats as well.
Isn't this contingent of foot placing. If you place your feet further out toward the edge of the platform so that when you are in the full squat position (well below parallel, which I believe all leg pressing movements should be) your knees are right above or even a bit behind your feet. If your knees go over your feet then, and you can see it in the mirror from the side, it clear how your joints will be more stressed. I recently started doing hacks because something popped in my lower back from doing squats. I actually feel less stress on my knees than squats because at around 6'2" doing full squats puts a lot of strain on my lower back and knees.
I don't really like the traditional leg press. The one where you lie down at an angle and push the platform up. It's very difficult to get in a full squat type position where your ankles are on your butt. With the other type, where you sit upright like when driving a car, you can easily get that full range of motion. The traditional leg press seems to set up at an awkward angle where you can't get full range. It encourages people to pile of the plates and just do quarter movements.
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All the Getbig experts have arrived now! Listen, Melvin, if you need to wrap a joint to train it you are doing something wrong. Do something else for a start.
That machine I made has stainless steel parts, special shafts and bearings and took a long time (over 120 hours!) to design then 6 months to build, plus it has been modified several times. It owes me at least
$30,000 and that doesn't include factory costs. I built it to see if I could make the best piece of gym equipment ever put in a gym. I think I succeeded. It doubles as a
Calf slide machine. That is why I increased the angle. We had a big bloke named Joe L who would load 700 pounds + on it for heel raises. On the low angle the shafts would bend
so I decided to make it steeper. Some guys don't like it now and said it was better before. Everyone is an expert in this game!
What about weight belts? I never wore one since, if you know me I'm all about Chi and deep breathing. But it seems like all the hard core muscle monsters do. Speaking of which, they also wrap their knees. Seemed like Coleman spent more time wrapping and unwrapping his knees than actually squatting. Not criticizing, just saying.
BTW, when I was a little tot, about 9 years old taking Aikido classes, the Jap instructor told me while trying to teach me how to breathe through my diaphragm that Americans where shallow breathers because they wear belts which puts pressure right below your belly button where the Chi is centered. Americans have under developed Chi which makes them less calm and centered and sometimes drives them to blow Japs up into a mushroom-like cloud of smithereens.
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What about weight belts? I never wore one since, if you know me I'm all about Chi and deep breathing. But it seems like all the hard core muscle monsters do. Speaking of which, they also wrap their knees. Seemed like Coleman spent more time wrapping and unwrapping his knees than actually squatting. Not criticizing, just saying.
BTW, when I was a little tot, about 9 years old taking Aikido classes, the Jap instructor told me while trying to teach me how to breathe through my diaphragm that Americans where shallow breathers because they wear belts which puts pressure right below your belly button where the Chi is centered. Americans have under developed Chi which makes them less calm and centered and sometimes drives them to blow Japs up into a mushroom-like cloud of smithereens.
(http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/08%20cool%20story%20bro.jpg)
*tightens belt*
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I used Hack machine only for a few times in my life...and I don't like it... ;)
What's your favorite quad exercise?
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i gave the hack squat machine a sincere try today, i only put 80kg on it for quality reps of 10-15 per set x 5sets
i have to admit this is the best quad workout of my life
seems like the best quad exercise ever, really full range of motion and didnt feel any stress on the back
what's so "dangerous" about it then?
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Milos blew out his knee on the hack?
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I never had issue with knees doin hacks, but I did slip a disc in my back doin heavy hacks....that was a very bad workout....was never the same again.
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Why did my milos post get deleted? What i postrd was a fact. What a bunch of crap
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You wrap it if its hurting when you train to properly stabilize it and keep you from twisting on it wrong. But like I said before, I think that all hack squat machines are a waste of money because inferior compared to a freeweight exercise....especially something that you spent 30k to build which in my option looks like every other hack squat out there. For 2k, I can fully equip a personal trainer who wants to open a private studio that will allow him to train any client that comes in.
relying on wraps and belts are counter productive
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Try them the tom platz style.
or you can just do sissy squats
(http://www.x-rep.com/images/IMezine/SissySquatTomPlatz.jpg)
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What makes Hacks dangerous? I use the machine as an alternate to squats and I don't see a problem.
People who doesn't understand their limitations. Like guys, who have good squat, and they think that they have good hack also, because there is strenght in the legs. They load the squat weight in the hack and try, snap crakle pop says the knees and after that and months of limping hack is very very dangerous. NO, it doesn't go like that. Before to load hack with the weight you can squat, you have to learn how to use that damn thing. How to stand, how deep to squat in it, and amazingly, where the knees goes. When you have deep and painless range of motion, then you can start add weights, and then, if you maintain that range of motion, it will be painless also with heavy loads.
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Coach, can you please PM it to me? Thanks.
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People who doesn't understand their limitations. Like guys, who have good squat, and they think that they have good hack also, because there is strenght in the legs. They load the squat weight in the hack and try, snap crakle pop says the knees and after that and months of limping hack is very very dangerous. NO, it doesn't go like that. Before to load hack with the weight you can squat, you have to learn how to use that damn thing. How to stand, how deep to squat in it, and amazingly, where the knees goes. When you have deep and painless range of motion, then you can start add weights, and then, if you maintain that range of motion, it will be painless also with heavy loads.
I think that is backwards if you know proper foot placement. I used to do 5-6 plates a side to the point of touching the limit on hacks for high rep sets. Never a problem. You start doing a bunch of squat reps over 400 and it just hurts all over. And yes, it does depend on the equipment.
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Milos blew his quads hacking 900lbs.
Milos doesn't believe in using heavy weights.
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Milos blew out his quad ad knee running a short sprint. Most blow out a hammy, but nooo, he blows out everything in a 40 yard sprint so he can try out shoes...as if he were an athlete!!
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Milos blew out his quad ad knee running a short sprint. Most blow out a hammy, but nooo, he blows out everything in a 40 yard sprint so he can try out shoes...as if he were an athlete!!
Yeah but it was previously torn from the hacks.
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The trouble with bodybuilding is that novices do what they see the champs doing in the magazines. Sometimes those writing the articles just include a lot of exercises to have the champion demonstrate. I guess even the champs are following others before them.
The guys I respected re exercise knowledge were Ray Mentzer, Larry Scott, and Vince Gironda. They all knew how the muscles functioned and used exercises accordingly. Ray damaged his neck/spine doing full squats with 925 pounds. So even the knowledgeable can do silly things and get injured.
Don't do Hack Squats or deadlifts if you are a bodybuilder. Period. Be warned.
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Don't do Hack Squats or deadlifts if you are a bodybuilder. Period. Be warned.
If you don't do deads there's a much bigger chance of injuring your back from something like rows or squats. Deads are an injury preventative exercise IME.
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The trouble with bodybuilding is that novices do what they see the champs doing in the magazines. Sometimes those writing the articles just include a lot of exercises to have the champion demonstrate. I guess even the champs are following others before them.
The guys I respected re exercise knowledge were Ray Mentzer, Larry Scott, and Vince Gironda. They all knew how the muscles functioned and used exercises accordingly. Ray damaged his neck/spine doing full squats with 925 pounds. So even the knowledgeable can do silly things and get injured.
Don't do Hack Squats or deadlifts if you are a bodybuilder. Period. Be warned.
Ray was strong but he never did 925 full squat. Platz couldn't even do that. Platz max was 900 full squat if I remember right.
I remember an old article about him and Mentzer doing partial squats with that kind of weight though. Something Mike regretted doing because he sustained lower back problems from it.
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I'm very flexible. I can do a full split, sit in the lotus position and have no trouble dropping into a full, ass to ankles, squat position. But I can't for the life of me do a full squat with a weighted bar on the back of my neck. I have to bend forward so much so that it becomes a back exercise. A dangerous one at that. Remember, most of a person's height comes from their legs. I'm a tad over 6'3" and when I sit next to my girlfriend who is 5'6" I'm not that much taller than her. Standing, I tower over her. Try it with someone you are much taller than.
So the squat does very little for me as a leg exercise. It's more of a hip and but movement because I have to widen my stance and can only go done maybe parallel at most. Same with the traditional leg press. I can barely break parallel with that machine. Any lower than I start to curl up like a snail and my lower bar loses contact with the pad. Now those leg presses where you are sitting upright is ideal. You can go as deep as you want no problem. Problem is my gym doesn't have kind of equipment. Only squat rack, traditional leg press and hacks. At least with hack I drop into a full squat position and my feet are positioned forward enough so I don't get the shearing effect. I tried this feet postioning while squating using the Smith machine but I just don't like the feel.
BTW, what's wrong with mimic movements done by champions that have been very successful. Jay Cutler has temendous quads. He does hacks and he also does squats. Who is to say that it's the squats and not the hacks that help develop his quads. He also does squats on the smith machine.
BTW, barbell squats bother my knees and lower back far more than Hacks. I've tweaked and injured my lower back many times insisting on doing squats. I've never had an injuries or knee pain using the hack squat. Remember that the best way to push a car is to turn backwards and rest your lower back against the back of the car and push with your legs. You have a lot more power and leverage than if you face the car and push in a running motion. Pushing backwards duplicates the hack movement very closely.
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If you don't do deads there's a much bigger chance of injuring your back from something like rows or squats. Deads are an injury preventative exercise IME.
And it seems like dead is a very natural movement. Just picking up something off the floor. Something we all have done at some time or another. It would seem to be one of the few useful movements in weight training.
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Platz couldn't even do that. Platz max was 900 full squat
Not even close. Not even 800. If I were to guess maybe a little over 700. Never saw any singles from him in pics or video though.
Did he do a single at the WBF event?
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Not even close. Not even 800. If I were to guess maybe a little over 700. Never saw any singles from him in pics or video though.
Did he do a single at the WBF event?
Alright my bad then. Makes it even more unlikely that Ray did full squat with 925...
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What's even more dangerous is paedophiles fleeing countries after making advances on 14yr old girls.
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For any tall man there is a benefit of doing the hack. Vince aint one of them
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The trouble with bodybuilding is that novices do what they see the champs doing in the magazines. Sometimes those writing the articles just include a lot of exercises to have the champion demonstrate. I guess even the champs are following others before them.
The guys I respected re exercise knowledge were Ray Mentzer, Larry Scott, and Vince Gironda. They all knew how the muscles functioned and used exercises accordingly. Ray damaged his neck/spine doing full squats with 925 pounds. So even the knowledgeable can do silly things and get injured.
Don't do Hack Squats or deadlifts if you are a bodybuilder. Period. Be warned.
That is just silly. There is lot of bodybuilders who do these exercises week by week without injuries, and you think those few twats who has been able to hurt themselves are the ones who are right about the matter. How about Ronnie, Haney etc. who has done hack's, deadlifts, and furthermore, even win some titles? They all are dorks and just lucky to survive? How about this: You are just demented old fart. Period. That explains all. You don't think about the time frame, the difference about the machines in their times and ours. I mean, I have seen some fucking disaster-piece of shit hack machines by ergonomic point of view, but also some good ones. There has been machines where I can't do single squat without knee pain, and machines where I can do sets of 50 reps with no pain at all. That's why there is no point at all what you are saying. Hack squat is good exercise for them who are clever enough to LEARN HOW TO DO IT CORRECTLY. For everybody else it is shitty, but that serves them right, because they are idiots.
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Do barbell hacks instead.
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Milos blew his quads hacking 900lbs.
Milos doesn't believe in using heavy weights.
milos never lies
milos is an upstanding member of society
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The trouble with bodybuilding is that novices do what they see the champs doing in the magazines. Sometimes those writing the articles just include a lot of exercises to have the champion demonstrate. I guess even the champs are following others before them.
The guys I respected re exercise knowledge were Ray Mentzer, Larry Scott, and Vince Gironda. They all knew how the muscles functioned and used exercises accordingly. Ray damaged his neck/spine doing full squats with 925 pounds. So even the knowledgeable can do silly things and get injured.
Don't do Hack Squats or deadlifts if you are a bodybuilder. Period. Be warned.
you cannot take this seriously
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Guys here don't want to learn because they know everything already. Guys like Ronnie Coleman tore muscles that ended his career. Same thing happened to Dorian Yates. There in no need to do such heavy lifting for hypertrophy. Trouble is muscleheads like to boast about how much they can bench and squat.
Ray Mentzer told me he did two reps with 925 in the squat. How low it was I don't know. Still a heck of a lot of weight to handle. The guy was a giant musclewise. He was much bigger than he looked. And he was bigger than his brother Mike.
Deadlifts are silly and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Amazing how bodybuilders are so dense they literally can't learn anything except what is in the magazines. Exercises not to do: Bench Press, Deadlifts, Hack Squats, Upright Rows, any movement using over 500 pounds.
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Guys here don't want to learn because they know everything already. Guys like Ronnie Coleman tore muscles that ended his career. Same thing happened to Dorian Yates. There in no need to do such heavy lifting for hypertrophy. Trouble is muscleheads like to boast about how much they can bench and squat.
yes dorian and ronnie lifted heavy and nearly killed themselves just so they could boast about it
nothing to do with hypertrophy really
if only they read your posts on GB
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Is it true that Dorian was embarrassed by the amount he could squat so he decided to stop doing the exercise?
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Guys here don't want to learn because they know everything already. Guys like Ronnie Coleman tore muscles that ended his career. Same thing happened to Dorian Yates. There in no need to do such heavy lifting for hypertrophy. Trouble is muscleheads like to boast about how much they can bench and squat.
Ray Mentzer told me he did two reps with 925 in the squat. How low it was I don't know. Still a heck of a lot of weight to handle. The guy was a giant musclewise. He was much bigger than he looked. And he was bigger than his brother Mike.
Deadlifts are silly and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Amazing how bodybuilders are so dense they literally can't learn anything except what is in the magazines. Exercises not to do: Bench Press, Deadlifts, Hack Squats, Upright Rows, any movement using over 500 pounds.
'He was much bigger than he looked.' That's a joke, son. I say - joke.
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Not even close. Not even 800. If I were to guess maybe a little over 700. Never saw any singles from him in pics or video though.
Did he do a single at the WBF event?
Biggest squat I heard for Platz was #765, during the time he was going back and forth with Hatfield. It was at the 1993 FIBO, Platz got #765, Fred got #855. Fred mentioned that Kaz was helping him, by bracing him at the bottom during the max squat. During the same event, Platz did the #23 rep with #500ish. Fred got 12 or so with that weight.
Also, they were using suits, so #700 max would be close.
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Biggest squat I heard for Platz was #765, during the time he was going back and forth with Hatfield. It was at the 1993 FIBO, Platz got #765, Fred got #855. Fred mentioned that Kaz was helping him, by bracing him at the bottom during the max squat. During the same event, Platz did the #23 rep with #500ish. Fred got 12 or so with that weight.
Also, they were using suits, so #700 max would be close.
Saw that video of platz doing the 500lb reps with Kaz behind him, unbelievable
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All the Getbig experts have arrived now! Listen, Melvin, if you need to wrap a joint to train it you are doing something wrong. Do something else for a start.
That machine I made has stainless steel parts, special shafts and bearings and took a long time (over 120 hours!) to design then 6 months to build, plus it has been modified several times. It owes me at least
$30,000 and that doesn't include factory costs. I built it to see if I could make the best piece of gym equipment ever put in a gym. I think I succeeded. It doubles as a
Calf slide machine. That is why I increased the angle. We had a big bloke named Joe L who would load 700 pounds + on it for heel raises. On the low angle the shafts would bend
so I decided to make it steeper. Some guys don't like it now and said it was better before. Everyone is an expert in this game!
Simply the most deliousional loser to ever post on a board.
THE BEEF
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The whole "don't let your knees get in front of your feet oh god" thing is bro-science nonsense.
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Weren't Jason Genova and PJ Braun doing the hacksquat on their chests/stomachs? What's the deal with that?
They were laying face down on the back rest.
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Weren't Jason Genova and PJ Braun doing the hacksquat on their chests/stomachs? What's the deal with that?
They were laying face down on the back rest.
they copied it from a charles glass or dennis james movie, possibly unaware this is not really designed for colemanesque ham development but for creaming the shmoe panties
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they copied it from a charles glass or dennis james movie, possibly unaware this is not really designed for colemanesque ham development but for creaming the shmoe panties
lol
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Guys here don't want to learn because they know everything already.
Unlike yourself? If anyone knows everything already it's you. I doubt you were any different when younger.
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lol
kai greene + charles glass + leg training = nuclear explosion of gayness
01:30 if you dare, viewer discretion advised
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Only Basile's machines will tear the knees up.
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Unlike yourself? If anyone knows everything already it's you. I doubt you were any different when younger.
This is so right on the mark. Vince is ALWAYS cricitcizing people as acting like know it alls, nver open to new ideas, don't want to learn new things. The truth is there is no one on the net that is so full of himself. Refers to himself as a hypertrophy expert though there is no evidence of any hypertrophy on him. there is not a bigger know it all than Vince. No one is more close minded. NO one is more delusional. every experiment has failed. He has not offered a single example of any successful use of his hypertropy theories. The average getbigger has a better physique than his glory 1970s heyday.
Shutup already Vince. Nobody respects you or takes you seriously.
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Milos tore his knee doing sprints Coach? He said he did it on the hack squat?
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Milos tore his knee doing sprints Coach? He said he did it on the hack squat?
Both. He tore it again sprinting.
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Thanks VB
A 250 pound body builder has NO business sprinting unless it is for a LOT of money
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'He was much bigger than he looked.' That's a joke, son. I say - joke.
"Kids these days, they are about as thick as a week old cow patty."
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'He was much bigger than he looked.' That's a joke, son. I say - joke.
LOL ;D
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Guys here don't want to learn because they know everything already. Guys like Ronnie Coleman tore muscles that ended his career. Same thing happened to Dorian Yates. There in no need to do such heavy lifting for hypertrophy. Trouble is muscleheads like to boast about how much they can bench and squat.
Ray Mentzer told me he did two reps with 925 in the squat. How low it was I don't know. Still a heck of a lot of weight to handle. The guy was a giant musclewise. He was much bigger than he looked. And he was bigger than his brother Mike.
Deadlifts are silly and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Amazing how bodybuilders are so dense they literally can't learn anything except what is in the magazines. Exercises not to do: Bench Press, Deadlifts, Hack Squats, Upright Rows, any movement using over 500 pounds.
And following these rules, you become a hasbeen from the land of kangaroos with no time at all. If we exclude all the exercises which can cause injuries, what we can do? Nothing.