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It created 1.72 jobs ::) 60% of the money has been used. The other 40% might create .28 jobs to make it an even 2 jobs created.
Federal Stimulus Funds for Nevada's Green-Industry Grows Trees, But Few Jobs
By Pete Griffin
Published August 22, 2011
A federal stimulus grant of nearly $500,000 to grow trees and stimulate the economy in Nevada yielded a whopping 1.72 jobs, according to government statistics.
In 2009, the U.S. Forest Service awarded $490,000 of stimulus money to Nevada's Clark County Urban Forestry Revitalization Project, aimed at revitalizing urban neighborhoods in the county with trees, plants, and green-industry training.
According to Recovery.gov, the U.S. government's official website related to Recovery Act spending, the project created 1.72 permanent jobs. In addition, the Nevada state Division of Forestry reported the federal grant generated one full-time temporary job and 11 short-term project-oriented jobs.
It also resulted in the planting of hundreds of trees -- which critics say is about the only good thing that came out of this stimulus project.
"Looking at the failure of the stimulus to live up to its promises, not just in Nevada, but throughout America, I think the question becomes ‘is there any good use of stimulus money?'" said Douglas Kellogg, communications manager for National Taxpayers Union, in an email to FoxNews.com.
A Nevada state official has a simple explanation for the low job growth.
"If the question is ‘was this a job-creating project?’ the answer is 'no, it wasn't,'" said Bob Conrad, public information officer for the Nevada Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. "It was one of a number of projects that we do believe helped improve natural resources in the state." (BULLCRAP)
Conrad said the $490,000 is being used for a number of projects. Those projects include tree inventories, salaries for staff at the nurseries through the Nevada Division of Forestry, plant material and plant supplies.
"The goal obviously was to make trees available to local government entities, parks, schools, things like that, at our state nursery," said Conrad. "We basically grew and provided about 2,000 trees to these local entities."
The grant also funds Spanish-language training for Hispanics in the landscaping and tree care industry to "develop employability skills and increase job retention."
Conrad could not say how many, if any, jobs were created by that training.
"We had to put together projects within very specific parameters. If the particular project you're referring to didn't create jobs necessarily, that's really something that's beyond the parameters of the program and it's really something you'd have to ask the federal government, the U.S. Forest Service."
Repeated calls by FoxNews.com to the U.S. Forest Service were not returned.
A project summary provided by Conrad showed an even lower amount of full-time jobs, with 1.37 full-time employees at the Las Vegas Nursery.
Conrad explained that the number of full-time jobs is low because most of the tasks, such as planting trees or driving plants from the nursery to participating schools or parks, are given to individuals on a short-term basis via a temp agency. For example, 11 people were hired temporarily for different aspects of the project, such as planters, trainers, drivers, and individuals to develop programs.
"You're not going to hire a driver full-time for this entire project if the driver is only needed for a limited number of hours," said Conrad. "It wouldn't make good business sense to hire a full-time person to do something that's really just a short-term need for the project."
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the nation, which, according to latest U.S. Department of Labor statistics, stood at 12.9 percent in July.
Kellogg said that the low job growth from this project could rub taxpayers the wrong way.
"Job-killing taxes, or more debt for a downgraded nation, are not likely to bring relief to our unemployment crisis," said Kellogg.
Conrad said that only 60 percent of the stimulus money has been used so far and of that amount, 90 to 95 percent of it is already allocated to salaries, sub grants, and other projects.
"The project isn't done," said Conrad.
But Kellogg believes it's a bad use of taxpayer money during these tough economic times.
"The president may well propose new stimulus efforts when Congress returns from recess,” said Kellogg, “and those who learn from past stimulus debacles will not be fooled again.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/22/taxpayer-union-slams-stimulus-project-for-lack-jobs-officials-say-it-wasnt/?test=latestnews
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But but but but . . . . . .. B ush . . . . . . Palin . . . . . . . ..
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Fuck you, Dario73. That Stim. program saved/created over 5 million jobs! Can I prove it, no....but believe me it did!
THe problem was the bill should have been bigger, like 50 trillion dollars and it should have all gone to windmills, solar panels, companies that go BK and companies that ship jobs to China!
At least that's what Paul Krugman told me to think on ABC World News! Come on, that man has been spot correct on about every single thing he has espoused about this economic situation since 2007!
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LOL. All you can hear are cricketts from team kneepad.
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No one can hang with you mental giants.
Secret Muslim sleeper cell being exposed all over this bodybuilding board.
You guys are heroes!
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No one can hang with you mental giants.
Secret Muslim sleeper cell being exposed all over this bodybuilding board.
You guys are heroes!
So says the obamanuthugger.
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No one can hang with you mental giants.
Secret Muslim sleeper cell being exposed all over this bodybuilding board.
You guys are heroes!
Who said anything about a Muslim sleeper cell?
Why don't you ever have anything relevant to add to a thread?
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Who said anything about a Muslim sleeper cell?
Why don't you ever have anything relevant to add to a thread?
At this point is it really possible for Obamaniacs to support any of this chaos?
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At this point is it really possible for Obamaniacs to support any of this chaos?
I'm being serious here, if you want to discuss the topic at hand be my guest.
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'Nevergreen' debacle a Patrick production (another Green jobs failure)
The Lowell Sun ^ | 8/23/2011 | Peter Lucas
Why do people continue to call the company Evergreen Solar?
The only thing green about Evergreen is the color of money, the color of the millions of dollars of taxpayer money a naive Gov. Deval Patrick sunk into the company, only to have the firm shut down its solar-panel plant in Devens, fire 800 people and move its operation to China. Last week, it filed for bankruptcy.
Other than that, it was a great deal for Massachusetts. Patrick may have seen green, but all the taxpayers are seeing is red.
Maybe the governor should have called the company Nevergreen, since it is not making any money, never did make any money and now never will. Also it owes the state a bundle, a bundle the taxpayers will never see, even though the commonwealth is attempting to get some $4 million of the $21 million in cash it gave the now-bankrupt company. Good luck with that. Just try tracking down these deadbeats all over China.
Read more: http://www.lowellsun.com/columnists/ci_18738233?source=email#ixzz1VrfSOUr3
(Excerpt) Read more at lowellsun.com ...
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Do you still have dried cum in your hair?
oh geez, another larry craig thread? come on man.
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Do you still have dried cum in your hair?
You must be confused. The only polesmoker around here is you ;D
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oh geez, another larry craig thread? come on man.
He can't help it. He was supposedly "born" that way.
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Well. Let's get back on track.
The stimulus is a failure. There is no other conclusion that can be reached when billions are spent and hardly any jobs were created, and the ones that were created might disappear eventually.
Obama is on the hook for this. Not Bush, not Cheney, and no one from the prior administration. Obama, like a lot of Americans, is not working.
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He can't help it. He was supposedly "born" that way.
he should visit a state-funded ungaying clinic like the future First "Man" runs.
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The obamabots will never admit to the failures of this admn.
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he should visit a state-funded ungaying clinic like the future First "Man" runs.
He should. It would do him and your friends a lot of good.
Anyway. Back to the topic of the thread. How is that wonderful stimulus doing? How is Obama going to explain his failures when he debates the GOP candidate, who ever that might be?
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He should. It would do him and your friends a lot of good.
Anyway. Back to the topic of the thread. How is that wonderful stimulus doing? How is Obama going to explain his failures when he debates the GOP candidate, who ever that might be?
180 the austrian economics fan, libertarian, and Ron Paul fan, supported the stim bill and thought it would creat 4 million jobs.
He and I argued about it for months on end until 18 months later he was forced to admit its failure.
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The obamabots will never admit to the failures of this admn.
Of course not. Admitting Obama's failures is not seen by them as being honest and logical. They see it as admitting how stupid they were for being duped by slick barry. They will never admit they were wrong, they will just continue summoning the myth that it would have been worse. I guess for them ignorance is bliss.
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180 the austrian economics fan, libertarian, and Ron Paul fan, supported the stim bill and thought it would creat 4 million jobs.
He and I argued about it for months on end until 18 months later he was forced to admit its failure.
WOW. Obviously, 120 should stick to building cheap websites and leave politics alone. What a fool!!! LOL!!! He believed that the government could create jobs. Government can't even manage social security, medicare and the post office. How was Obama (who never had any business experience in creating job) all of the sudden come up with 4 million jobs?
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LMFAO!
Train Station with 78 Daily Riders Gets $1 Million in Stimulus Renovations
Capitol Confidential ^ | 8/30/2011 | Tom Gantert
The Jackson Amtrak station will get $1 million in renovations thanks to the American Relief and Recovery Act (the federal stimulus program), according to the Jackson Citizen Patriot. But Wendell Cox, a transit consultant in St. Louis, Mo., questions why an Amtrak station with 78 customers a day would warrant such an expense.
Cox pointed to the Chatsworth station located in southern California about 40 miles from the Los Angeles area as the type of facility Jackson requires. Chatsworth gets twice as many trains and about 20,000 more passengers per year than Jackson, but has just a platform with a shelter and a ticket vending machine. It is unmanned. There is a building that has a museum and is also shared by a bus company.
By contrast, the Jackson station is staffed by 1.5 full time positions, according to Amtrak. The average Amtrak employee living in Michigan is paid about $69,600 a year in salary.
(Excerpt) Read more at michigancapitolconfident ial.com ...
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Its good to know our tax dollars is put to good use :-\
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Its good to know our tax dollars is put to good use :-\
This is why Obama's so called jobs plan is going nowhere fast and will get laughed at.
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'Green jobs' promise something for nothing
By: David Freddoso | Online Opinion Editor Follow him @freddoso
| 08/30/11 8:05 PM
Spanish economist Gabriel Calzada caused the central economic planners' heads to explode in March 2009 when he released a study showing every "green job" the Spanish government was creating with its regime of open-ended subsidies was simultaneously devouring enough resources to create 2.2 jobs in Spain's private sector.
"Green jobs," the professor concluded, were economic losers, destroyers of wealth and productivity. What's worse, 70 percent of them were short-lived installation gigs, not long-term jobs at all.
Spain's socialist government, which had presented "green jobs" as the way out of the country's economic problems (perhaps that sounds familiar), reacted to Calzada's study with fury. The Industrial Ministry took the incredible step of trying to make his university disavow his work. But behind the scenes, the same government officials were quietly coming to the same conclusions as Calzada.
In the United States, Calzada's study upset the wind power lobby, environmentalists, and the Obama administration. American liberals tried to argue that Calzada had erred by doing what is obvious to everyone outside of government who uses money -- he accounted for the opportunity costs of government spending.
Imagine that -- an economist who doesn't assume that you can get something for nothing.
Since then, Calzada has been proven right in nearly every metric. Spain has a serious sovereign debt crisis -- not helped much by its commitment of 11 percent of Spain's gross domestic product to subsidize renewable energy. The renewables program will cost the Spanish crown four times what it had originally budgeted.
The government is trying to wiggle out of its already-promised subsidies, which could generate legal problems or else a banking collapse. Unemployment in Spain exceeds 20 percent. Spanish industry is paying inflated prices for energy -- causing greater inefficiency and more job losses.
Speaking with me this week, Calzada expressed amazement that in the wake of his own nation's failure in this area, a few progressive members of Congress still want to drive the United States off the same cliff.
"How is it possible, having the example of Spain. ... Why would you like to repeat the same story?" It's a great question.
In reality, Calzada wasn't nearly bearish enough on green energy welfare. His study did not explore the consequences of the artificially high electricity prices the Spanish scheme has created for industry and residential customers.
He didn't try to measure the economic damage caused by misallocation of private investment. After all, thousands of Spaniards withdrew good investments and borrowed against home equity to install potentially worthless solar panels -- what if their capital had been invested to create real jobs instead of simply chasing government subsidies?
The central planners in Spain, much like President Obama with his stimulus package, assumed that they could get something -- a lot of really good jobs -- for nothing. They were wrong. People who think that way are always wrong.
David Freddoso is The Examiner's online opinion editor. He can be reached at dfreddoso@washingtonexaminer.com.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/08/green-jobs-promise-something-nothing#ixzz1WcOWHRsI
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"Green jobs," the professor concluded, were economic losers, destroyers of wealth and productivity. What's worse, 70 percent of them were short-lived installation gigs, not long-term jobs at all."
But, but, Europe has it all figured out.
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"Green jobs," the professor concluded, were economic losers, destroyers of wealth and productivity. What's worse, 70 percent of them were short-lived installation gigs, not long-term jobs at all."
But, but, Europe has it all figured out.
"Green energy" reminds me a lot of MLM and AMWAY type of hype and bs.
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Solyndra closed its doors today.
500 million right down the toilet.