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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: OneMoreRep on September 01, 2011, 05:37:47 AM
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Luke Wood, Don Long, Mike Morris, Hans Hopstaken, Flex Wheeler & Tom Prince - These men all had/have kidney problems.
What substances are they using that are particularly harmful and/or contributing to kidney failure and their need for transplants?
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Flex said his was genetic.
Tom prince blamed painkillers I believe
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Flex said his was genetic
Tom prince blamed painkillers I believe
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This is not cool. Didn't Mike Morris pull the plug on his BB careers due to kidney issues as well? Let's cut the crap and spell out exactly what it is and in what doses that is putting our BB friends at risk! >:(
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Chad says today's pros aren't suffering enough
what a piece of shit
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=373541.0
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This is not cool. Didn't Mike Morris pull the plug on his BB careers due to kidney issues as well? Let's cut the crap and spell out exactly what it is and in what doses that is putting our BB friends at risk! >:(
Thanks for reminding me of Mike, Bay.
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IFBB Kidney Klassic
1st place - fully expenses paid kidney transplant
2nd place- home dialysis kit
3rd place - 10 x dialysis sessions
Entry requirements - serious renal failure
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Creatine and ibuprofen.
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Add capriese Murray and Marko solvakian (spelling definitely wrong) to the list.
Oh and throw in arvilla's former crush and, surprise surprise, another milos guy, mustafa
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:'(
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shit, I guess there is a price to pay for wanting to be immortals amongst normal men..........it's better to know the risk at anything than to be caught by surprise
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key is= only drugs you should take are aas+gh
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it's a choice we make.
If you step back - how insane is it to put kids in pads/helmets and have them run full speed at one another in 9th grade on the football field?
How insane is it to throw a baseball 90 to 100 mph at a person with full chance a head injury could result?
How insane is it to allow roads to be built where people can move at 102 feet PER SECOND (70 mph). Human body can't withstand that kind of speed. motorcycles too!
How insane is it to sell foods, drink, drugs and tobacco which certainly destroy our organs?
We're all gonna die anyway. If you engage in any kind of risky behavior, and you google that behavior, the negative side effects are very well known. To anything we choose to do. All we can really do it shrug it off and stick with our own choices - and our own vices. hell, we're sitting on our asses reading BBing message boards, not drinking green smoothees while rescuing orphans in Tibet. It's all about choices, and relative choices at that.
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Flex said his was genetic
Tom prince blamed painkillers I believe
Flex also said he was natural, 0.0% bf, attacked by ninjas etc etc etc.. :D
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Flex also said he was natural, 0.0% bf, attacked by ninjas etc etc etc.. :D
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Attacked by ninjas!!! He won Chuck Norris in a cage fight also... :)
On topic: 240 said the truth... it's a choise we make. Some people wearing t-shirts with "I WANT TO DIE BIG"...
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I'm just waiting for the "offical" reason why he had the problems with his kidney like...
undiagnosed kindey problem or any other undiagnosed illness ::)
yeah right, lets call it what it is, guy was abusing steroids and payed an unfortunate price for it.
And yes I cannot feel sad for somebody who fucks himself up with drugs be it for the daily high or by getting bigger.
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:'(
fucking hell !!!
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If I ever ran into him on the streets I would f*ck that bitch up ... lol sending me PMs how he wants to punch me in the face cause he is dating some manface woman BB..hahaha now he is on dialysis, strapped to a machine holding on to dear life ..fuggin loser...BB sooooo worth it, right ? ::) ::) ::) ::)
You will need a medium to bump into Luke bro
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All unrelated, just a coincidence...nothing to see here folks ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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all partied too much!!!
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Did he end up having kidney transplant from an organ donor ???
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Are powerlifters getting these kidney failures?
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Are powerlifters getting these kidney failures?
Only the ones that make it to Uncle Joe and Ben's Office for additional 'posing' sessions..
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Too much recreational drugs, painkillers, and diuretics...
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I erased previously entered comments, didnt know he died.
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Thread has potential, before and after roids.. talk about gentically gifted athletes ::)
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Thread has potential, before and after roids.. talk about gentically gifted athletes ::)
There is an obvious genetic link between G4P and having big muscles ....
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it's a choice we make.
If you step back - how insane is it to put kids in pads/helmets and have them run full speed at one another in 9th grade on the football field?
How insane is it to throw a baseball 90 to 100 mph at a person with full chance a head injury could result?
How insane is it to allow roads to be built where people can move at 102 feet PER SECOND (70 mph). Human body can't withstand that kind of speed. motorcycles too!
How insane is it to sell foods, drink, drugs and tobacco which certainly destroy our organs?
We're all gonna die anyway. If you engage in any kind of risky behavior, and you google that behavior, the negative side effects are very well known. To anything we choose to do. All we can really do it shrug it off and stick with our own choices - and our own vices. hell, we're sitting on our asses reading BBing message boards, not drinking green smoothees while rescuing orphans in Tibet. It's all about choices, and relative choices at that.
Actually all you mentioned result in more sever consequences then juice, excellent post
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Actually all you mentioned result in more sever consequences then juice, excellent post
Oh great!!! you found another stupid argument which you can use to justify your roiding ::)
The fact that there are very little real life studies about the actual long term effects of Steroid abuse completly went past you right?
Keep on justifying ;)
If you would see your body as a temple you would also treat it like one not pump it full of unknown substances
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Are powerlifters getting these kidney failures?
No, when Powerlifters die early, it's usually heart related conditions. This is especially true for the retired ones that still maintain their old eating habits(speaking of SHWs, etc...).
The big problem is the diuretic use by bodybuilders, powerlifter's may use them to drop water, but the minute after they weigh in, they work hard to rehydrate, etc.....
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Oh great!!! you found another stupid argument which you can use to justify your roiding ::)
The fact that there are very little real life studies about the actual long term effects of Steroid abuse completly went past you right?
Keep on justifying ;)
If you would see your body as a temple you would also treat it like one not pump it full of unknown substances
You've juiced in the past, haven't you Stark?
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These men all had/have kidney problems.
What substances are they using that are particularly harmful and/or contributing to kidney failure and their need for transplants?
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Uncontroled hypertension...
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Abuse of various items, obviously - but quite a few have said it is related to pain relievers or ibuprofen. Some bodybuilders with kidney issues usually take more than a few ibuprofen tablets.... much more than people who are not training.
Acute Kidney Failure - Sudden-onset acute kidney failure can be caused by as little as a single dose of ibuprofen if the patient suffers from chronic kidney disease or lupus. The National Kidney Foundation warns that ibuprofen is not recommended for patents with decreased kidney function.
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Abuse of various items, obviously - but quite a few have said it is related to pain relievers or ibuprofen. Some bodybuilders with kidney issues usually take more than a few ibuprofen tablets.... much more than people who are not training.
Acute Kidney Failure - Sudden-onset acute kidney failure can be caused by as little as a single dose of ibuprofen if the patient suffers from chronic kidney disease or lupus. The National Kidney Foundation warns that ibuprofen is not recommended for patents with decreased kidney function.
Ron,
Thanks for your participation. I hope all is well on your end..
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Being a wee, little person of no size and with kidney problems that are in fact, congenital and quite often associated with being a wee, little person of no size I can attest to the fact that ibuprofen is off limits because of its effect on the kidneys.
That said, these ignorant bodydopers suffer from congenital stupidity, huge egos and a gross inability to control said ego. They do this to themselves and upon their becoming very ill due to AAS and other drugs such as ibuprofen, they try to hide their stupidity and guilt by claiming some rare kidney problem or the like. When the die, their family may even continue the ruse of congenital renal problems.
Fuck 'em.
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adding to the list of bodybuilders with fucked kidneys
Shaun Davis
(http://www.medzooma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Shaun-Davis-4-217x300.jpg)
(http://www.prolab.co.uk/graphics/sara_davis_04.jpg)
Svend Karlsen. Former bodybuilder, most recently strongman.
(http://www.xtreme-strongman.com/sitebuilder/images/svendkarlsen-244x328.jpg)
(http://viking.mobilblogg.no/images/220569-5-1234885212722-n400.jpg)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g93bcGvgWBo/SGY_uTYcprI/AAAAAAAAD-s/9vL31W2maN4/s400/MikeMatarazzo-MMI-Unk-499.jpg)
Matarazzo was heart, not kidneys.
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High blood pressure + painkillers + diuretic abuse + high protein diet.
High blood pressure uncontrolled for a long period of time slowly damages the kidneys. Combine that with severe diuretic abuse, painkiller abuse you can get quite a bit of kidney damage. Plus while the high protein diet might be fine if you have no kidney issues, damage your kidneys with the first 3 the ultra high protein diet will speed along the process.
Funny how people always worry about liver damage. Yet you in reality hardly ever see a bodybuilders liver fail, it's always the kidneys.
I recommend anyone on any hormones get your blood pressure checked and if needed get blood pressure medication and take it with any cycle. Doctors prescribe blood pressure medicine like candy and it should be no problem to get. Angiotensin II receptor blockers I recommend for bodybuilders as they seem to have the least side effects and don't affect your training. Plus stay away from the narcotics. I've never touched them but it blows my mind of how many bodybuilders do.
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funny how all these people have no education and no serious occupations other than lifting weights and parasiting naive girls lives with a low self esteem for a "living". The very few who survive thru this lifestyle (strategy of survival) keep bulshiting naive newcommers owning gyms and selling useless supps or dealing steroids...
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funny how all these people have no education and no serious occupations other than lifting weights and parasiting naive girls with a low self esteem.
THIS!!
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trainwrecks.
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High blood pressure + painkillers + diuretic abuse + high protein diet.
High blood pressure uncontrolled for a long period of time slowly damages the kidneys. Combine that with severe diuretic abuse, painkiller abuse you can get quite a bit of kidney damage. Plus while the high protein diet might be fine if you have no kidney issues, damage your kidneys with the first 3 the ultra high protein diet will speed along the process.
Funny how people always worry about liver damage. Yet you in reality hardly ever see a bodybuilders liver fail, it's always the kidneys.
I recommend anyone on any hormones get your blood pressure checked and if needed get blood pressure medication and take it with any cycle. Doctors prescribe blood pressure medicine like candy and it should be no problem to get. Angiotensin II receptor blockers I recommend for bodybuilders as they seem to have the least side effects and don't affect your training. Plus stay away from the narcotics. I've never touched them but it blows my mind of how many bodybuilders do.
Dr Dutch approved...
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most of these guys assure us they suffered from undiagnosed kidney ailments that were not hurt by the bodybuilding. I believe flex wheeler said BBing actually "held off" his kidney problems by a full decade, right?
maybe the real problem here is poor diagnosis of kidney problems.
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maybe the real problem here is poor diagnosis of kidney problems.
It's a toss up.....it's either that or the fact that they are putting god only knows what chemicals and doses that would kill a horse and wonder why their system breaks down......it's just one of life's mysteries.
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why the constant denial about the obvious?........I hate it even more when these victims persisted that their kidney problems are unrelated to what most of us perceived
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If I ever ran into him on the streets I would f*ck that bitch up ... lol sending me PMs how he wants to punch me in the face cause he is dating some manface woman BB..hahaha now he is on dialysis, strapped to a machine holding on to dear life ..fuggin loser...BB sooooo worth it, right ? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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I'm just waiting for the "offical" reason why he had the problems with his kidney like...
undiagnosed kindey problem or any other undiagnosed illness
yeah right, lets call it what it is, guy was abusing steroids and payed an unfortunate price for it.
And yes I cannot feel sad for somebody who fucks himself up with drugs be it for the daily high or by getting bigger.
I love how every time a pro developed serious health problems, FLEX magazine would claim it was congenital. Every time. Basically, a very rare type of liver failure that occurs congenitally in only 1 out of 100,000 people in the general population would affect 3 pro bodybuilders, even though there are no more than about 100 pro bodybuilders. Do the math. What do the numbers tell you?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm just waiting for the "offical" reason why he had the problems with his kidney like...
undiagnosed kindey problem or any other undiagnosed illness ::)
yeah right, lets call it what it is, guy was abusing steroids and payed an unfortunate price for it.
And yes I cannot feel sad for somebody who fucks himself up with drugs be it for the daily high or by getting bigger.
it won't be said but i can guarantee uncontrolled blood pressure played a major role. so yes steriods can indirectly cause kidney problem, failure
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I erased previously entered comments, didnt know he died.
hahhahah too late AO1 already quoted it ;D ;D
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Oh great!!! you found another stupid argument which you can use to justify your roiding ::)
The fact that there are very little real life studies about the actual long term effects of Steroid abuse completly went past you right?
Keep on justifying ;)
If you would see your body as a temple you would also treat it like one not pump it full of unknown substances
Stop crying :'(
You might have a heart attack worrying about other people's roid problems.
Since it bothers you so much that people juice, why come on this board, more then half the board is juice :-[
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Stark you're such a lunatic, pathetic. Stop stating the obvious and get the fuck out of here and proceed with your crucade on some christian forum lol.
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Stop crying :'(
You might have a heart attack worrying about other people's roid problems.
Since it bothers you so much that people juice, why come on this board, more then half the board is juice :-[
half take hormones,,,the other half like the men in thongs who take hormones,,,
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it's a choice we make.
If you step back - how insane is it to put kids in pads/helmets and have them run full speed at one another in 9th grade on the football field?
How insane is it to throw a baseball 90 to 100 mph at a person with full chance a head injury could result?
How insane is it to allow roads to be built where people can move at 102 feet PER SECOND (70 mph). Human body can't withstand that kind of speed. motorcycles too!
How insane is it to sell foods, drink, drugs and tobacco which certainly destroy our organs?
We're all gonna die anyway. If you engage in any kind of risky behavior, and you google that behavior, the negative side effects are very well known. To anything we choose to do. All we can really do it shrug it off and stick with our own choices - and our own vices. hell, we're sitting on our asses reading BBing message boards, not drinking green smoothees while rescuing orphans in Tibet. It's all about choices, and relative choices at that.
Good post.
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''painkillers cause kidney damage''
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3271191.stm
that+diuretics abuse= disaster... see luke wood
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Whats with pro MMA guys dropping 20 odd lbs of water before every fight (Thiago Alves even got banned for diuretics), but we don't hear about any casualties? Is it just a dosages thing?
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listen you dumb twats, like will grant said in another thread- if it was STEROIDS causing all these deaths there should be MILLIONS of people (and im not talking about people on HRT i talking about competitive bbers and those who use and dont compete) around the world dropping dead from their use, but thats not happening, is it.
no, it isnt the STEROIDS, its an accumulated combination of different chemicals and compounds, possibly including but not limited to steroids, used to excess over time.
its pretty fucking simple.
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Stark you're such a lunatic, pathetic. Stop stating the obvious and get the fuck out of here and proceed with your crucade on some christian forum lol.
18k posts vs 77 should give you an idea were i am going faggot ;)
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18k posts vs 77 should give you an idea were i am going faggot ;)
Did you even get proper education you moron? You sound like uneducated christian idiot.
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listen you dumb twats, like will grant said in another thread- if it was STEROIDS causing all these deaths there should be MILLIONS of people (and im not talking about people on HRT i talking about competitive bbers and those who use and dont compete) around the world dropping dead from their use, but thats not happening, is it.
no, it isnt the STEROIDS, its an accumulated combination of different chemicals and compounds, possibly including but not limited to steroids, used to excess over time.
its pretty fucking simple.
You could spin any substance like that because a) almost any substance is harmless in small dosages and b) people who abuse one substance usually abuse many.
Your argument doesn't convince me.
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listen you dumb twats, like will grant said in another thread- if it was STEROIDS causing all these deaths there should be MILLIONS of people (and im not talking about people on HRT i talking about competitive bbers and those who use and dont compete) around the world dropping dead from their use, but thats not happening, is it.
no, it isnt the STEROIDS, its an accumulated combination of different chemicals and compounds, possibly including but not limited to steroids, used to excess over time.
its pretty fucking simple.
Correct sir
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18k posts vs 77 should give you an idea were i am going faggot ;)
18 k of uninformative garbage :P