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Title: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
Obama's Close Ties To CEOs Whose Firms Dodge Taxes
First Posted: 9/1/11 09:19 AM ET   Updated: 9/1/11 09:32 AM ET

www.huffingtonpost.com




WASHINGTON -- As the nation struggles with a stagnant economy, President Barack Obama has preached overhauling the U.S. tax code to spur economic growth. But as he gears up for what looks to be a tough reelection campaign, the president has surrounded himself with the current loophole-riddled system's prime offenders: corporate executives whose companies have profited off of those loopholes while reaping millions for themselves.

Institute for Policy Studies, a liberal think tank, has named 25 major American corporations whose CEOs were paid more last year than their firm's total U.S. income tax bill in a new report. Of those business elites, 10 have substantive ties to Obama -- including some who have official economic policy advisory positions in his administration -- according to a HuffPost analysis of the report.

All told, these 10 CEOs with Obama connections brought in over $158 million for themselves last year. Their companies' federal tax bill, however, was a combined net benefit of $5.4 billion -- meaning the federal government actually owed these companies billions of dollars. Eight of the 10 firms not only did not pay taxes, they received large refunds. The 10 companies scored combined U.S. profits of $26.8 billion.

HuffPost's calculations are based on data compiled in the report by the IPS. The IPS figures, in turn, are drawn from documents the companies filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Obama has repeatedly spoken of improving the corporate tax code by closing special loopholes for politically connected companies and using that money to lower the official corporate tax rate. President Ronald Reagan embarked on a similar project in 1986, enabling the federal government to increase tax revenues even as it lowered the formal tax rates. Although corporate tax revenue is at postwar lows, Obama's plan is much less ambitious: He doesn't want to actually increase tax revenues at all. The benefits from closing loopholes would exclusively flow straight to other corporations.

But Obama has given several of the executives who benefit most from the current system have been given prominent economic advisory positions. The Obama administration declined do comment for this story.

Of Obama's corporate favorites, General Electric CEO Jeff Immelt and Honeywell CEO David Cote have served in the highest-profile public positions associated with the administration. Immelt has been pilloried with criticism ever since Obama named him head of his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. GE required massive amounts of government aid when the subprime mortgage bets made by its financial wing, GE Capital, resulted in enormous losses during the financial crisis. While the company is headquartered in the U.S., a majority of its employees are abroad (GE is somewhat unique among major companies for disclosing this figure, a fact Immelt has touted in recent speeches), and it has a robust staff of former U.S. Treasury officials who deploy complicated accounting maneuvers to lower the company's tax bills. Immelt made $15.2 million last year, with GE's $3.3 billion tax benefit accounting for more than half of the 10 companies tax benefit.


Cote has received far less public scrutiny than Immelt, although he may have had greater influence over U.S. economic policy. Obama named Cote to a previous super-committee on economic policy, the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, known as the Simpson-Bowles panel. An Obama nominee, Cote was the second-ranking Republican on the Commission, behind former Sen. Alan Simpson. Once derided by liberals as an obsessively conservative approach to cutting the deficit, the Simpson-Bowles panel's recommendations have increasingly been used by congressional Democrats to fend off more radical proposals from Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and the Republican leadership. Cote scored $15.2 million in pay last year, while Honeywell secured a $471 million tax benefit. Honeywell told HuffPost that it complied with tax laws and that its executive pay standards are guided by executive performance. The company also said it is proud of Cote's government work.

Ford CEO Allan Mulally, Boeing CEO James McNerny Jr. and Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg all served on Obama's Export Council, which the president established in 2010 to help advance his goal of doubling the exports of American products to other countries by 2015. Seidenferd stepped down as Verizon CEO earlier this year, but is currently chairman of the company. Combined, the three executives secured $58.4 million last year, while their companies scored a combined $767 million federal tax benefit.

Ford notes that its tax bill this year is particularly low relative to its profits due in part to a law allowing companies who post hefty losses to qualify for tax breaks in future years. Ford lost $2.7 billion in 2009 and $6.5 billion in 2010. Mullaly was paid $17.9 million and $17.0 million in those years.

Obama has placed other executives on separate economic panels. eBay CEO John Donahoe served on the White House Council for Community Solutions, Qwest Communications CEO Edward Mueller chaired the President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee, Dow Chemical CEO Andrew Liveris is co-chair of Obama's Advanced Manufacturing Partnership and Motorola Solutions CEO Greg Brown was on the President's Management Advisory Board. These four CEOs hauled in a combined $57.2 million last year and received a total tax benefit of $714 million. Qwest was recently acquired by CenturyLink, which distanced itself from Mueller's pay, saying it was set by Qwest's board, not CenturyLink's.

Although Dow Chemical scored robust international profits for 2010, it was the only one of the 10 firms tied to Obama to post a loss on its U.S. operations during the year. Liveris recieved $17.7 million in total compensation.

Of the 10 CEOs, International Paper CEO John Faraci has the loosest tie to Obama. The president invited Faraci to travel with him to Brazil for the signing of a preliminary trade agreement, and Faraci spoke favorably of the deal during the trip.

"It's no surprise that the CEOs that IPS chose to look at are earning more than their corporations paid in taxes in 2010 given how many major corporations pay no taxes at all," said Bob McIntyre, Director of Citizens for Tax Justice, a separate think tank that works exclusively on improving U.S. tax policy. McIntyre is currently working on a separate report that he says has found "dozens" of top corporations who have paid no federal income taxes in recent years.

When asked to comment on the discrepancy between CEO pay and federal income tax bills, the companies emphasized that they complied with federal law on their taxes. Others said the report was unfair, because it does not count the other types of taxes companies pay -- state, local and payroll taxes. Several also noted that their tax bills appear larger if you count "deferred taxes" in the calculation. One of the most prominent ways to defer taxes, however, is to stash money in offshore tax havens like Panama that do not tax corporations. So long as that money remains abroad, companies never actually have to pay U.S. taxes on it. The hypothetical future taxes that firms would have to pay if they brought the money back is included in the "deferred tax" number that companies report in annual filings. Deferred taxes, in turn, are typically included in corporate calculations for their "effective tax rate."

The IPS report by contrast only looks at actual money companies expected to pay -- or receive -- from the federal government in income taxes for the year. State, local and payroll taxes do not directly effect the federal budget deficit. The formal federal income tax rate for large corporations is 35 percent.

"This report is just the latest piece of evidence -- you've seen a lot of press reports on some very big companies that show they actually pay very low taxes despite the officially high tax rates," Chuck Marr, Director of Federal Tax Policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, told HuffPost. "Think about the gut-wrenching cuts that are going to be made in education, in innovation and research. Those are just going to be worse if we don't address the corporate sector. So, if we're gonna put scientific research on the table, corporate taxes should be right there with it."

Title: Re: Obama's Close Ties To CEOs Whose Firms Dodge Taxes - READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN
Post by: GigantorX on September 01, 2011, 07:33:29 AM
Nothing like good ole' kleptocractic-corporatism doused in crony capitalism.
Title: Re: Obama's Close Ties To CEOs Whose Firms Dodge Taxes - READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 07:35:30 AM
Nothing like good ole' kleptocractic-corporatism doused in crony capitalism.

And people like Straw, Blacken, Benny, Lurker and andre - wonder why we all laugh and ridicule Obama for his nonsense proclamations and speeches? 
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 09:05:35 AM
Bump for STRAW
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Option D on September 01, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Bump for STRAW

Why do you put Mal.. Ive said this on many occasions .. i dont support these policies... are you fucking retarded or something?
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Option D on September 01, 2011, 09:36:33 AM
bump you fuckin idiot..
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 09:41:35 AM
bump you fuckin idiot..

Your only gripe with FailBama is that he did not even go further on the crazy shit.  Who you kidding. 
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 09:43:25 AM
just more fuel for 333's descent into madness

Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 09:49:24 AM
just more fuel for 333's descent into madness



Fuel? 

You are the naive dope who keeps supporting Obama and claiming the GOP is party o corporate greed on this issue when it is obama himself who is the biggest hypocrite, liar, and fraud in all of this. 
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 09:51:15 AM
Fuel? 

You are the naive dope who keeps supporting Obama and claiming the GOP is party o corporate greed on this issue when it is obama himself who is the biggest hypocrite, liar, and fraud in all of this. 

and you claimed that Obama hates business, wants to destry business, etc...

how does this fit into you INSANE CT
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 09:52:49 AM
and you claimed that Obama hates business, wants to destry business, etc...

how does this fit into you INSANE CT

He does hate business - but he likes being able to pick winners and losers and being enriched by corporate cash and money from the winners he chooses, while bringing everyone else to their knees. 
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
He does hate business - but he likes being able to pick winners and losers and being enriched by corporate cash and money from the winners he chooses, while bringing everyone else to their knees. 

ok - I'll entertain your insanity to few minutes

how does this story fit into him "picking" winners and losers

did Obama has ANYTHING do to with these people, their companies, their compensation, their accounting etc..

Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: 240 is Back on September 01, 2011, 09:57:21 AM
why am I no longer mentioned with Team Kneepad?  this is bullshit, dog.
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 09:58:33 AM
ok - I'll entertain your insanity to few minutes

how does this story fit into him "picking" winners and losers

did Obama has ANYTHING do to with these people, their companies, their compensation, their accounting etc..



LMAO    -  ha ha ha ha! ! !  !

Its called setting the hound dogs loose on companies like Boeing, Gibson, et al - while essentially ignoring blatant shit from these people.   

Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 10:00:04 AM
LMAO    -  ha ha ha ha! ! !  !

Its called setting the hound dogs loose on companies like Boeing, Gibson, et al - while essentially ignoring blatant shit from these people.   

I knew you'd find a way to justify it

good job

keep that crazy train going
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: GigantorX on September 01, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
just more fuel for 333's descent into madness



 :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 10:04:17 AM
I knew you'd find a way to justify it

good job

keep that crazy train going

Justify what?  

Under Obama's DOJ there is nothing even remotally resembling equal treatment under the law, the NLRB is on a rampage, the EPA is trying to collapse the energy producers, all while Obama's buddies get away with murder.  

 
you want to make it out me because you have nothing.   
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 10:12:01 AM
Justify what?  

Under Obama's DOJ there is nothing even remotally resembling equal treatment under the law, the NLRB is on a rampage, the EPA is trying to collapse the energy producers, all while Obama's buddies get away with murder.  

 
you want to make it out me because you have nothing.  

I've asked you before but let's try again

did Obama have ANYTHING do to with these people, their companies, their compensation, their accounting etc..

Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
I've asked you before but let's try again

did Obama has ANYTHING do to with these people, their companies, their compensation, their accounting etc..



You really dont get it do you? 

Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Straw Man on September 01, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
You really dont get it do you? 

of course I "get it"

Obama wants to collapse the nation to get revenge on us for choosing him to be the POTUS

what's not to get?
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: MCWAY on September 01, 2011, 10:40:40 AM
why am I no longer mentioned with Team Kneepad?  this is bullshit, dog.

You're still a member in good standing, from what I hear (but, your card may be set to expire).  ;D
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 01, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
You're still a member in good standing, from what I hear (but, your card may be set to expire).  ;D

I think 240 is just playing games to be honest.  So far he has said he will vote against obama only and unless palin is the nominee - which is not going to happen.   

So 240 is on Team Tea Bag right now.   
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: tonymctones on September 01, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
:o :o :o :o
yup just a slight peek into the liberal addled mind of a far left supporter of obama...
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 02, 2011, 04:22:36 AM
yup just a slight peek into the liberal addled mind of a far left supporter of obama...

Straw - tell me again how it's only the repubs who are corporate hacks? 
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: garebear on September 02, 2011, 04:52:45 AM
I'm a little confused as to your point. While the Obama admin. shouldn't have this going on, it's leaps and bounds beyond any Repub. admin in addressing the issue of tax loopholes for wealthy corporations. All that the Repubs are going for is more benefit for corporations, and the trickle down economics that has been a disaster.

This very article points out Repub plans to make it even more egregious, as if it's not fvcked up enuf yet.

Post an article where Perry is preaching for an overhaul at all. You won't because you can't find it - it doesn't exist. When did Bush 2 say anything similar?

Another aspect of this debacle is the corporations lobbying politicians as if they are a person. This is the end result of that. When Obama pointed that out (state of the union speech) he was called a liar.

Also, when do you sleep?
Title: Re: READ IT AN WEEP STRAWMAN, ANDRE, BLACKEN, MAL, BENNY, LURKER, GAREBEAR
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 02, 2011, 04:57:00 AM
No one ever make the claim that the gop is not a corporate party.   They are not out there screaming about tax unfairness etc.

Its the hypocrisy and double standards.