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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: whitewidow on September 03, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
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say Jay cuttler didnt exist and somebody nobody had ever seen before that looked exactly like Jay to the T. Im talking an identical twin as far as look and top physique. Say this was his first show wich we all know is impossible but just think of it. would he even crack the top 10? is Jay just mr. Olympia because he is marketable and it is his turn supposively. would this look alike cuttler even place in the top 10-15? Im talking nobody has seen this guy before. would he really be that stunning to people who did not know his name? I think the top 3 would be totally diffrent. even if a guy who looked the same as jay had the exact same physique but was just a no name competed in the O he would not place top 10 but if he had the name jay cuttler he would be mr.O. sport is mainly politics.Is jay really that great??
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only white north american guy with brand name. maybe kluco and evan will do something the future.
if jay was black with his structure, he'd never beat phil or kai.
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say Jay cuttler didnt exist and somebody nobody had ever seen before that looked exactly like Jay to the T. Im talking an identical twin as far as look and top physique. Say this was his first show wich we all know is impossible but just think of it. would he even crack the top 10? is Jay just mr. Olympia because he is marketable and it is his turn supposively. would this look alike cuttler even place in the top 10-15? Im talking nobody has seen this guy before. would he really be that stunning to people who did not know his name? I think the top 3 would be totally diffrent. even if a guy who looked the same as jay had the exact same physique but was just a no name competed in the O he would not place top 10 but if he had the name jay cuttler he would be mr.O. sport is mainly politics.Is jay really that great??
NO!!
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So basically Jay is just marketable? whats so great about his physique? He is not super shredded like dexter. he has alot of size but that is it. I think it's just his turn after battling ronnie for years and is still competing.maybe that's the reason a rea bodybuilder should just flow,they shouldnt really have any rea outstanding bodyparts just great muscular proportions. Jay does match pretty well nothing is that much bigger than anything else he flows well. but he is just not that shredded like dexter. Dexter is the same way he flows real nice yet he is more shredded why is jay Mr.O?I personally don't think he deserves it and I like the dude.
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Jay offseason, with his pale skin andcomplete lack of vascularity, just looks like some huge powerlifter type. Smooth and bloofy like a testosterona/dianabola addict should look like. You wouldn't think of him as a world class competitive bodybuilder let alone number one in the world. No name amateurs walking around look more impressive. They may not be as big as Jay but because of those huge veins and network of little veins, the vascularity, you just stare them because it's so freaky. Jay, off season in clothes just looks huge and kind of fat.
But from maybe 6-8 wks out and on stage he does look unworldly. The guy is freakishly huge with cuts and separation on his quads that are unmatched on the O stage. YOu may not like his structure but onstage there is no doubt that is a world class body builder.
Here he makes Dex look like a child.
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Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TGk1WwRlOOI/AAAAAAAAU-0/38LrCvmnyVc/s1600/dennis+james+bodybuilder+(3).jpg)
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Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TGk1WwRlOOI/AAAAAAAAU-0/38LrCvmnyVc/s1600/dennis+james+bodybuilder+(3).jpg)
No- and I think I dont see his abs either in the picture above. I just think dexter is more shredded and has a better waist line and v-taper. all around more striated. if you want to play the size game jay def wins. but if you compare the two guys midsection dex wins by far jays abs are blurry.
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Ever see Jay's walk around conditioning anything remotely like this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TGk1WwRlOOI/AAAAAAAAU-0/38LrCvmnyVc/s1600/dennis+james+bodybuilder+(3).jpg)
dennis james looks awesome
wide, massive, dense, vascular
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No- and I think I dont see his abs either in the picture above. I just think dexter is more shredded and has a better waist line and v-taper. all around more striated. if you want to play the size game jay def wins. but if you compare the two guys midsection dex wins by far jays abs are blurry.
Unfortunately the judges reward those who play the "size game." It's what brought insulin into the sport and what destroyed it.
If you compare quads and calves Jay wins by far. BTW, I prefer Dex's physique over Jay's.
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hes ok but far from a good bber. tons of better physiques. dennis james looks hundred better for instance, he just doesnt know how to dial in the right way for a show.
mr o suppose to be the nr 1 physique of the world, its a total joke offcourse he could ever be mr o. but maybe it suits the industry which is also one big joke, we cant take this whole thing serious.
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to me dexter jackson looks better than anybody else on stage most of the time
the other guys have more "mass" but it is hardly in the arms or legs
it's mostly "core mass"
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yes but dexter is a dwarf
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hes ok but far from a good bber. tons of better physiques. dennis james looks hundred better for instance, he just doesnt know how to dial in the right way for a show.
I don't know. I hear that all the time. That he's far from a good bber. But by today's standards? I mean, he's won how many Olympia's now? He's one of the most successful bodybuilders of all time. Some don't like it but it seems that the majority do. Jay has a huge fan base. Chances are he will win again. We'll grumble. He'll put up another Sandow on his shelf. And the money will keep rolling in. At least, considering the sport, he comes across as a very good and decent guy and is a good face for the sport. Though it shouldn't matter I think it helps him a lot and hurts guys like Kai and Victor. Philsulina is his biggest threat. He's next after Jay decides to retire. The industry just likes him. He'll be getting the breaks next.
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yes but dexter is a dwarf
he's far from a dwarf, he's just short
this is a dwarf
(http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/20/photos/kuhns.jpg)
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he's far from a dwarf, he's just short
this is a dwarf
(http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/20/photos/kuhns.jpg)
hi dex
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hi dex
Just beat me to it by a split second....
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hi dex
i only talk to female fans sorry
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So basically Jay is just marketable? whats so great about his physique? He is not super shredded like dexter. he has alot of size but that is it. I think it's just his turn after battling ronnie for years and is still competing.maybe that's the reason a rea bodybuilder should just flow,they shouldnt really have any rea outstanding bodyparts just great muscular proportions. Jay does match pretty well nothing is that much bigger than anything else he flows well. but he is just not that shredded like dexter. Dexter is the same way he flows real nice yet he is more shredded why is jay Mr.O?I personally don't think he deserves it and I like the dude.
Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.
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Do i get something wrong or isn't his name "jay Cuttler" at all? :o :o :o
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Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.
Centopani I guess
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what if his name was mustafa mohammed?
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If the fridge was black and named Tyrone Jackson or European and named Herbert Powkalski he would have ZERO Olympia titles and ZERO Arnold titles..... ZERO
That's a FACT many here have been stating for years.
Could you imagine a black guy or European guy waddling out onto stage year after year with that giant 46 inch waist and complete lack of detail and separation, doing that stupid ear to the crowd pose and being awarded the biggest title in bodybuilding over and over. NEVER would happen.
Jay is the most overrated bodybuilder EVER. He has received more huge gifts than all other bodybuilders combined.
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So Jay winning is because he is white ??? So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia
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Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.
If you're eluding to Jay only winning as a marketing ploy on Weider's behalf it's failed miserably because just a sampling of bodybuilding boards Jay Cutler is NOT well liked or well received , most people on the boards think he sucks outright
Shawn Ray has done more Flex magazine covers than anyone and probably more covers than any pro sans Arnold and this is when their white champion's reign. Pumpster claimed Dorian was picked to be Olympia winner because he was white and marketable which was just the opposite , he was known as the Shadow for a reason
Jay wins the Olympia because he is among the biggest guys with acceptable conditioning it has nothing to do with white kids buying magazines and supplements because he has the personality of a fridge
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So Jay winning is because he is white ??? So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia
I don't get that nonsense , they had a perfect opportunity after Haney retired to pick ( if that were the case ) a stellar marketing tool in the form of Lee Labrada , although Cuban appeared white , he was college educated ( engineering degree ) married with a pretty wife , with a child a dedicated family man , an ' attainable ' physique with broad mass appeal , well spoken and articulate and handsome , that's as win-win as it gets , no instead they chose a pasty unheard of Brit with tattoos and a questionable past who took off to England every year after he won.
There is no way you're gonna tell me contestants are handpicked to win the Olympia based on marketing appeal not after knowing that.
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If you're eluding to Jay only winning as a marketing ploy on Weider's behalf it's failed miserably because just a sampling of bodybuilding boards Jay Cutler is NOT well liked or well received , most people on the boards think he sucks outright
Shawn Ray has done more Flex magazine covers than anyone and probably more covers than any pro sans Arnold and this is when their white champion's reign. Pumpster claimed Dorian was picked to be Olympia winner because he was white and marketable which was just the opposite , he was known as the Shadow for a reason
Jay wins the Olympia because he is among the biggest guys with acceptable conditioning it has nothing to do with white kids buying magazines and supplements because he has the personality of a fridge
I was going to mention Shawn, Shawn is a anomaly as he was the "pretty boy". It is quite true that he has done a lot of Flex mags, but Milos, a few others were the ones that other mags went to to market the man who gets the girl. Flex Mag thru the 90s, was the go to for hardcore. Also, Shawn was a Weider athelete, and one of their top ones---so of course they would have put him on. Had Dennis Newman panned out, Shawn would have had less, Dennis Newman was Weider's All-American marketing dream come true. He had everything...
You and I both know that marketing to a certain group and who that group is, hell, it's played out on GB everyday. The MMA base is Bbing's base, and that is why a lot of bbing supp companies are marketing a lot of their products to the MMA base...why you see BSN ads, banners and emblems at MMA events.
Jay wins not just because he is the biggest, he for the most part lacks what every Mr. O before him had, and that is a outstanding back. He lacks conditioning. He never beat Ronnie, Ronnie beat himself (what made him, broke him).
It was said way back in 99 that Jay was looked at as being very marketable due to his All-American looks.
Odd how an American can be anybody...
That being said, one cannot count Jay out.
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So Jay winning is because he is white ??? So why did Ronnie win it so many years in a row ? Did they think he was gona be the All American boy maybe next year so lets give it to him again ? haha more epic black paranoia
No, not exactly...Jay was "the only big one left", almost..
It was said yrs ago, that Jay was marketable, yrs ago...
Jay has been given tons of gifts, I don't knock a bber for taking gifts placings, you give em, I take em
. Flex was given gifts due to his shape, Dillett got a huge gift at the NOC when it should have gone to Ruhl, who actually came in condition...
The IFBB and "the powers that be" want a marketable bber. Shawn Ray and Rich Jones are examples that Weider snatched up, even doing the tag line on Rich's cover of "Future Mr. O?"
they couldn't deny Ronnie, dude was the shit, and was too likeable.
But, what they want is a clean, humble as pie, dude in the vein of Arnold, but an All-American...
Which is part of the reason why Cormier was looked at as "the forgettable one".
Image and what they want to present, has a shit load to do with winning, when it comes close...
Notice how we talk about Dorian and Ronnie? Hard workers, everyday men, "beasts".
Yet Ronnie was a cop using illegal sustances. And Dorian brought the drug game up to a serious level.
Our perception doesn't include those things, as we see what we want to see, what is presented to us.
And then, the naive kids are marketed this bullshit of what makes a champion, and to be like them...
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Jay fits the All-American "look", which means his marketability is far greater than say, Richard Jones (which I think Rich would be a shoe-in for marketability). Weider has said that mags with white guys on the cover sell better than mags with black guys. And look at the base, which is the same as MMA, young white males (insecure). Mike Francois and Dennis Newman were to be the ones that Weider was gonna have carry the torch, but they got sick. Craig Titius turned into a douchebag, and he never overcame his chest issue (and too scared o bench after his pec tear). Phil Hernon faded into the background, and Aaron Maddron developed a gut, and never was in tense as his nickname.
Racist post reported.
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We all know heath is next! it just looks like this sport is fixed! Even if somebody comes in more ripped and impressive than Jay or heath one of the 2 will win this year no matter what! I think back in 08 melvin anthony looked insane but no matter how great he looked that night no way they would have gave him the win.
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what if his name was mustafa mohammed?
lol! Not a chance. Not a chance in hell.
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We all know heath is next! it just looks like this sport is fixed! Even if somebody comes in more ripped and impressive than Jay or heath one of the 2 will win this year no matter what! I think back in 08 melvin anthony looked insane but no matter how great he looked that night no way they would have gave him the win.
QFT but fixed to a point. Phil doesn't really have to improve. Just come in like he's been doing and he gets it after Jay leaves. But if he screws up and doesn't nail his conditioning he's going to lose if only to maintain some semblance of credibility. I mean, Jay has gotten many gifts but at some point if he comes in smooth as a baby's ass (no pedo) he ain't getting it and it went to Dexter. But for the most part I agree with you that the winner is already loosely predetermined but they have to do their part, at least some of it. Phil just has to wait until Jay retires but keep showing up in good condition and put on a good show. I mean, it's just once a year for most of these guys.