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Title: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 05, 2011, 02:21:45 AM
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Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 05, 2011, 02:23:30 AM
I think the frog in the ice cube wins...


Ah now I see it. I think the white guy wins, because he's faster.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: 99 Bananas on September 05, 2011, 02:55:30 AM
Guy starts gay thread. Who wins? No one.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Parker on September 05, 2011, 04:08:03 AM
Depends, if Royce took Ronnie's bowl of grits  right after he worked out...Then I have Ronnie winning, and eating his grits...with butter and sugar.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on September 05, 2011, 04:53:25 AM
Ronnie would have to get hold of Royce quickly before his stamina run out. Ronnie would be winded after only about 2 minutes so depends if he could punch, kick , arm lock or strangle Royce in that first 2 minutes.  If he was able to do this then Ronnie would have a real chance.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 05, 2011, 04:57:43 AM
Is Purenaturalstrength a troll, a gimmick or an enigma ?   Or all of these ?
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: supernick on September 05, 2011, 06:45:03 AM
ronnie would prob be out of breath before he could really do anything.  Maybe if he got ahold of him real fast he could.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on September 05, 2011, 08:24:33 AM
Royce grabs a hold of the front Ronnies tshirt and lifts it over Ronnies face. All 300 pounds of Ronnie suffocates within 10 seconds. End of story.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Stavios on September 05, 2011, 08:40:08 AM
"never tested positive for steroids"  ;D
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 05, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
Royce by choke, arm bar, leg bar, neck crank, americana, leg triangle, arm triangle, wrist lock, or just tie him up until he has a heart attack from exhaustion.  I love Ronnie but you're talking about a fighter against a bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: G_Thang on September 05, 2011, 12:59:20 PM
Getbig's Gracie said it's dangerous to go to black house.  :(

i just wanted to hit on ana paula.

  
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: yates fan on September 05, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
ronnie hands down!
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: BILL ANVIL on September 05, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
bahahaha love the positive test on Gracies stats thats gold lol
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: JBGRAY on September 05, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
Coleman...and it wouldn't be close unless Royce can knock him out really quick with a shot to the jaw.  Bigger, stronger guy usually wins in a street fight.  Here, you are looking at a 130+ pound weight advantage....Royce gets killed here.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 05, 2011, 06:57:36 PM
Coleman...and it wouldn't be close unless Royce can knock him out really quick with a shot to the jaw.  Bigger, stronger guy usually wins in a street fight.  Here, you are looking at a 130+ pound weight advantage....Royce gets killed here.

Spot-on. As I have said, there comes a point advantage of strength and size that the inferior combatant is simply overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: chess315 on September 05, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
well is ronnie in his pimp suit or not royce could use it against him much like a gee in ju jitsu
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: bber on September 05, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
I won't answer OPs question, but why do people assume that just because somebody is IFBB size that they can't defend themselves whatsoever? Reminds me of the Cormier/Martinez thing..
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Parker on September 06, 2011, 12:29:53 AM
Royce by choke, arm bar, leg bar, neck crank, americana, leg triangle, arm triangle, wrist lock, or just tie him up until he has a heart attack from exhaustion.  I love Ronnie but you're talking about a fighter against a bodybuilder.
Tie him up until he has a heart attack from exhaustion? Rmember this is the same guy that squatted 800 and deadlifted 800 with a herniated disk. Do you know how much squatting raises one's blood pressure---a whole lot. And then it was 800 on top of that...In 100 + degree heat...

What Ronnie would do is snatch him up, put him in the trunk, and then drive to the gym, and put in the squat rack with 800 pounds and tell him that he better not drop the weight.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: breakmore on September 06, 2011, 01:16:46 AM
I don't know who would win, but here is gracie defeating some big guy.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 05:44:54 AM
I don't know who would win, but here is gracie defeating some big guy.


that guys is a washed up sumo

pathetic muscle and strength levels compared to ronnie in his prime

all that fat weight also takes a bigger toll on the heart than muscle mass


plus ronnie is a black guy on large amounts of roids, so his level of agression would surpass that of a pitbull in a fight
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: G_Thang on September 06, 2011, 06:06:29 AM
interesting but ronnie has a football background, not wrestling, and it's been noted you need some wrestling to deal with ground guys like Gracie.  maybe if it was standup, you end up with something like kimbo vs gannon (1st guy kimbo fought with any kind of training (marine and police)).  i'm sure ronnie's police combat training accts for something.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 06:16:50 AM
that guys is a washed up sumo

pathetic muscle and strength levels compared to ronnie in his prime

all that fat weight also takes a bigger toll on the heart than muscle mass


plus ronnie is a black guy on large amounts of roids, so his level of agression would surpass that of a pitbull in a fight

you are obviously clueless when it comes to sumo wrestlers. you have no idea the training they go through.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: hipolito mejia on September 06, 2011, 06:33:53 AM
"never tested positive for steroids"  ;D


LMFAO !!!

Everybody wants to b a bodybuilder but nobody wants to do it drug free"
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Big Worm on September 06, 2011, 06:42:07 AM
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Dude.. Grow the Phuck up..
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2011, 06:58:03 AM
Ronnie would have to get hold of Royce quickly before his stamina run out. Ronnie would be winded after only about 2 minutes so depends if he could punch, kick , arm lock or strangle Royce in that first 2 minutes.  If he was able to do this then Ronnie would have a real chance.



2 minutes?  Ronnie would gas after 30 seconds and be sucking wind.  Royce with RNC  at about :55
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on September 06, 2011, 07:25:41 AM
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Any decent fighter could beat the crap out of Ronnie.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: JBGRAY on September 06, 2011, 08:26:18 AM
Again....bar fight.  Ronnie destroys the tiny tit.  No gloves, no referee, no rules, no symmetrical ring, no weigh ins, no months-long pre-fight preparations, no stupid looking staredowns.  Bar fight....possible confined spaces, multiple objects, other people around, anything goes.  Cheap shots, weapons, it doesn't matter.  Who gives a fuck if Ronnie gasses in 30 seconds?  Fight wouldn't even last that long.

You moronic UFC nuthuggers automatically think these UFC fighters have some sort of overwhelming advantages against someone a lot bigger and stronger than they are in unpredictable fighting situations.......newsfla sh, unless inside of a sanctioned ring, they don't.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on September 06, 2011, 08:28:01 AM
I can only repeat, Ronnie gets owned.  Fuck the guy can't even run without falling over.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: makaveli25 on September 06, 2011, 08:29:38 AM
Only chance Ronnie would have if he could bum rush gracie against a wall or something. If the fight last longer then 20 seconds Royce would fucken destroy Ronnie. These guys no how to fight bigger men.

Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 09:00:52 AM
Only chance Ronnie would have if he could bum rush gracie against a wall or something. If the fight last longer then 20 seconds Royce would fucken destroy Ronnie. These guys no how to fight bigger men.


people need to stop comparing that chump to coleman


that martial artist is high level and widely respected, that bodybuilder is a washed up nobody
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Darren Avey on September 06, 2011, 09:28:36 AM
Ronnie C LIFTS WEIGHTS, HAS BIG BICEPS AND A BIG BENCH = he destroys Royce.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 09:31:16 AM
Ronnie C LIFTS WEIGHTS, HAS BIG BICEPS AND A BIG BENCH = he destroys Royce.

ronnie coleman is a 315lbs juiced to the gills shredded black man


royce gracie is a 175lbs latino who knows kung fu
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Nails on September 06, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
bar fight .. ronnie... that's 300lbs of pist off Nugga running wild on you....


 
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 09:38:23 AM
Again....bar fight.  Ronnie destroys the tiny tit.  No gloves, no referee, no rules, no symmetrical ring, no weigh ins, no months-long pre-fight preparations, no stupid looking staredowns.  Bar fight....possible confined spaces, multiple objects, other people around, anything goes.  Cheap shots, weapons, it doesn't matter.  Who gives a fuck if Ronnie gasses in 30 seconds?  Fight wouldn't even last that long.

You moronic UFC nuthuggers automatically think these UFC fighters have some sort of overwhelming advantages against someone a lot bigger and stronger than they are in unpredictable fighting situations.......newsfla sh, unless inside of a sanctioned ring, they don't.  Sorry.

Newsflash: They do. Sorry.

What makes you think UFC fighters will follow rules in a bar fight? Anything goes applies to both parties. Difference is, the one who trains everyday as a fighter has more "goes" at his disposal than someone who just lifts weights everyday.  
 



Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2011, 09:41:04 AM
bar fight .. ronnie... that's 300lbs of pist off Nugga running wild on you....


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj6ncxAl3g)

Unlike a real silverback at the zoo, Ronnie would gas after 15 seconds. 
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 09:52:31 AM
Unlike a real silverback at the zoo, Ronnie would gas after 15 seconds. 

you mean he'd gas that latino twink in 15 seconds





people never understand the gas factor pro bodybuilders bring to the table
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Radical Plato on September 06, 2011, 10:22:38 AM
I wonder how this guy would go at Mixed Martial Arts, he looks like a pretty strong dude. Personally, I reckon he would get owned, what do u thibk?
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 06, 2011, 10:27:24 AM
bar fight .. ronnie... that's 300lbs of pist off Nugga running wild on you....


 


That's how it would look, probably.

And what is with all the "gassed" bullshit? Some of you jackasses haven't a clue. Ronnie is a workhorse. Check him out lunging endlessly in the parking lot of his gym with weight that equals that of Gracie. The guy is a monster freak who would slaughter the little dink in a street/bar fight scenario.

How the HELL could Royce keep Coleman controlled in any position?!

All these dumb videos either feature someone NOT Ronnie or a fight taking place in a ring. A sport fight.

Royce gets into a prime Ronnie's face in a bar and inside of a minute Gracie's pals are dialing 911 ... to come tend to their utterly smashed buddy. 
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 06, 2011, 10:32:31 AM
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 06, 2011, 10:32:34 AM
Difference is, the one who trains everyday as a fighter has more "goes" at his disposal than someone who just lifts weights everyday.  
 

Gorillas spend zero time in their lives learning to fight or training in submission techniques ... and they would decimate every UFC heavyweight warrior WITH EASE. Swat the fucker's head off and break limbs. Then go eat a banana like nothing even happened.  
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
I wonder how this guy would go at Mixed Martial Arts, he looks like a pretty strong dude. Personally, I reckon he would get owned, what do u thibk?

actually here is a fight, him versus a professional boxer




then later he got beat by a taller, and heavier ex ufc champ called silva

nice try but let's not get off topic

Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
I wonder how this guy would go at Mixed Martial Arts, he looks like a pretty strong dude. Personally, I reckon he would get owned, what do u thibk?

Actually, this is not a bad example. Here you got a guy just as strong, if not stronger, than Coleman. In much better shape cardio wise then Coleman ever was. Actually trained and trains seriously as a fighter. Going up against a flabby washed up pro. But a pro nonetheless. People who have never been in a fight with someone who knows what he is doing have no idea. And people who have never been gassed have no idea. It turns the biggest, toughest men into pussies. Just scroll to 8.25. Mariusz doesn't get knocked down. He just gives up and falls down by himself. He isn't tapping because Sylvia is dropping bombs on him. He's tapping because he is just tired and doesn't want to fight anymore. He just wants it to end. And Coleman doesn't have nearly the skills, explosive functional strength and conditioning that Mariusz has.  


Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 10:39:39 AM
Actually, this is not a bad example. Here you got a guy just as strong, if not stronger, than Coleman. In much better shape cardio wise then Coleman ever was. Actually trained and trains seriously as a fighter. Going up against a flabby washed up pro. But a pro nonetheless. People who have never been in a fight with someone who knows what he is doing have no idea. And people who have never been gassed have no idea. It turns the biggest, toughest men into pussies. Just scroll to 8.25. Mariusz doesn't get knocked down. He just gives up and falls down by himself. He isn't tapping because Sylvia is dropping bombs on him. He's tapping because he is just tired and doesn't want to fight anymore. He just wants it to end. And Coleman doesn't have nearly the skills, explosive functional strength and conditioning that Mariusz has.  




SYLVIA IS TALLER AND HEAVIER THAN PUDZIAN


HORRIBLE EXAMPLE!!!!!
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: BIG_STI on September 06, 2011, 10:39:50 AM
Is Purenaturalstrength a troll, a gimmick or an enigma ?   Or all of these ?

GIMMICK
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 10:54:53 AM
SYLVIA IS TALLER AND HEAVIER THAN PUDZIAN


HORRIBLE EXAMPLE!!!!!


Royce is taller than Coleman.

Your whole argument is based of the disparity of strength. Mariusz is far, far stronger than Sylvia. Plus, he has more skills and conditioning than Coleman will ever have or had. That more than compensates for the fact that Sylvia is heavier but fatter than Mariusz. But by 3 minutes Mariusz was done.

Akebono, again better conditioned than Coleman for combat, and much taller and heavier than Royce, who he easily takes to the ground. Still loses.

But keep believing that lifting weights and getting big muscles will make you a good fighter.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 10:57:19 AM

Royce is taller than Coleman.

Your whole argument is based of the disparity of strength. Mariusz is far, far stronger than Sylvia. Plus, he has more skills and conditioning than Coleman will ever have or had. That more than compensates for the fact that Sylvia is heavier but fatter than Mariusz. But by 3 minutes Mariusz was done.

Akebono, again better conditioned than Coleman for combat, and much taller and heavier than Royce, who he easily takes to the ground. Still loses.

But keep believing that lifting weights and getting big muscles will make you a good fighter.

the strength difference between pudzian and sylvia is WAY WAY WAY smaller than coleman vs royce

and

TALLER + HEAVIER

dumbass martial arts fanboy with crooked arguements
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
BTW, Coleman himself was asked, while still in his competitive years during a trip to Brasil, how he would do against 185 lb UFC fighter, Vitor Belfort. He just responded with his jolly laugh and said he would get his ass kicked.

But, of course, you know better than Coleman how he would do in a fight than Coleman himself.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: RC Money on September 06, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
Royce by heel hook.. Some people here clearly know nothing about jiu jitsu and what it is like at a high level.. and weapons and nhb tactics work both ways in street fights not just for the untrained bums.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
BTW, Coleman himself was asked, while still in his competitive years during a trip to Brasil, how he would do against 185 lb UFC fighter, Vitor Belfort. He just responded with his jolly laugh and said he would get his ass kicked.

But, of course, you know better than Coleman how he would do in a fight than Coleman himself.
i have no clue who vitor belfort is


we are talking about royce gracie here


and coleman said that for obvious reasons
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
the strength difference between pudzian and sylvia is WAY WAY WAY smaller than coleman vs royce

and

TALLER + HEAVIER

dumbass martial arts fanboy with crooked arguements

You ignored the Akebono example. Akebono way, way stronger than Royce. Way, way bigger. Still loses.

You've never trained with real fighters  or ever been in a real fight, have you? And I mean a real fight if you even know what that is.

Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 11:03:16 AM
You ignored the Akebono example. Akebono way, way stronger than Royce. Way, way bigger. Still loses.

You've never trained with real fighters  or ever been in a real fight, have you? And I mean a real fight if you even know what that is.



i adressed akebono

he is a washed up piece of shit with low strength levels and an inefficient way of fighting
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: RC Money on September 06, 2011, 11:03:48 AM
BTW, Coleman himself was asked, while still in his competitive years during a trip to Brasil, how he would do against 185 lb UFC fighter, Vitor Belfort. He just responded with his jolly laugh and said he would get his ass kicked.

But, of course, you know better than Coleman how he would do in a fight than Coleman himself.
How long ago was this? and Vitor weighs around 210 even when he fights at 85.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
i have no clue who vitor belfort is


we are talking about royce gracie here


and coleman said that for obvious reasons

The fact that you have no clue as to who Belfort is, an MMA fighter who has been around since the mid 1990s,shows that you don't follow the sport and therefore have no clue as to the type of training and skill set a professional MMA fighter has.

So you are just a gimmick and a troll?

My work is done here.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 11:09:30 AM
The fact that you have no clue as to who Belfort is, an MMA fighter who has been around since the mid 1990s,shows that you don't follow the sport and therefore have no clue as to the type of training and skill set a professional MMA fighter has.

So you are just a gimmick and a troll?

My work is done here.

another mma fan who thinks martial art skill make somebody invulnerable to 315lbs juiced to hell black guys
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 06, 2011, 11:31:11 AM
Pellius, These guys that think lifting weights alone makes you a fighter don't have a clue.  It's like the guys that say a ufc fighter would get killed in a bar fight. As if training to be fighter is somehow a liability in a real fight. No rules in a bar fight also go for the trained fighter.

When I was training with Renzo Gracie and Craig Kukuk  back in the day I would see the same thing over an over again.  A new student big guy would come in and they would have a submission ground fight against a little guy who has skills.  Some were so humiliated that they never came back again.  They walked in struting and would leave with their tail between their legs.

To the guys that think lifting alone will prepare you to fight should go to their nearest boxing gym or MMA dojo.  Get in the ring or the mats and see what happens.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 11:32:51 AM
Pellius, These guys that think lifting weights alone makes you a fighter don't have a clue.  It's like the guys that say a ufc fighter would get killed in a bar fight. As if training to be fighter is somehow a liability in a real fight. No rules in a bar fight also go for the trained fighter.

When I was training with Renzo Gracie and Craig Kukuk  back in the day I would see the same thing over an over again.  A new student big guy would come in and they would have a submission ground fight against a little guy who has skills.  Some were so humiliated that they never came back again.  They walked in struting and would leave with their tail between their legs.

To the guys that think lifting alone will prepare you to fight should go to their nearest boxing gym or MMA dojo.  Get in the ring or the mats and see what happens.

another dojo stud who is avoiding reality
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: RC Money on September 06, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
another mma fan who thinks martial art skill make somebody invulnerable to 315lbs juiced to hell black guys
Not invulnerable but certainly give them a huge percentage advantage, of course flukes and anything has the possibility of happening.

Training for fighting is insurmountably better for actual fighting scenariors than lifting weights to look big and avoid fights.. any 185+ bjj purple belt and up or high ncaa level wrestles probably beats the shit out of just about any pro bb with not combat training.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 06, 2011, 11:39:35 AM
Purenatural, you're living in a fantasy if you think pro bodybuilders would do well in a fight with a pro like Royce Gracie.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Nails on September 06, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
Then again



Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 06, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
BTW, Coleman himself was asked, while still in his competitive years during a trip to Brasil, how he would do against 185 lb UFC fighter, Vitor Belfort. He just responded with his jolly laugh and said he would get his ass kicked.

But, of course, you know better than Coleman how he would do in a fight than Coleman himself.

Naturally this is what he is going to say. What a lame thing to post ... as if it says anything.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 06, 2011, 01:32:06 PM
These guys that think lifting weights alone makes you a fighter don't have a clue.  

Of course lifting weights doesn't make you a good fighter. However, the attribute of immense size and strength is hugely advantageous to one who becomes involved in a fight. And in a REAL FIGHT = an even greater advantage.

I could say the same thing to you, but in reverse: These guys who think training as a MMA/boxer/whatever alone makes them capable of beating someone much, much larger and who is in possession of extreme superior strength and power don't have a clue.

Fact is, everything in your "arsenal" is another card in your deck. If you fight technically, great; and if you are massive and hugely strong, great. Outside of this, there are too many variables.

Oh, and, yes, I have trained in the fighting arts and I have been inlvoved in NUMEROUS fights, both in public and as a doorman/bouncer for 20 years. I also have trained with weights for 26 years and weigh 295 pounds and can move very well, thank you. No "gassing" here, either.  
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Parker on September 06, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
I can only repeat, Ronnie gets owned.  Fuck the guy can't even run with swimfins on without falling over.
fixed
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 01:37:04 PM

Of course lifting weights doesn't make you a good fighter. However, the attribute of immense size and strength is hugely advantageous to one who becomes involved in a fight. And in a REAL FIGHT = an even greater advantage.

I could say the same thing to you, but in reverse: These guys who think training as a MMA/boxer/whatever alone makes them capable of beating someone much, much larger and who is in possession of extreme superior strength and power don't have a clue.

Fact is, everything in your "arsenal" is another card in your deck. If you fight technically, great; and if you are massive and hugely strong, great. Outside of this, there are too many variables.

Oh, and, yes, I have trained in the fighting arts and I have been inlvoved in NUMEROUS fights, both in public and as a doorman/bouncer for 20 years. I also have trained with weights for 26 years and weigh 295 pounds and can move very well, thank you. No "gassing" here, either.  

this guy knows what's up

here is another clue to the mma boyz

real fights are sudden outbursts of extreme aggression, and rarely last over 30 seconds, so quit using the conditioning arguement
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: RC Money on September 06, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
Well then you should know that looking strong is different from being strong (strength that matters) no matter what is being lifted in the weight room, weight is weight however and that is indeed undisputable.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 01:39:10 PM
Well then you should know that looking strong is different from being strong (strength that matters) no matter what is being lifted in the weight room, weight is weight however and that is indeed undisputable.
ronnie in his prime = extreme strength

most of what is documented isn't even in the off season, but 4 weeks out of the olympia
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Parker on September 06, 2011, 01:42:52 PM
 I repeat, let Royce take away a bowl of grits away from Ronnie...and see how it ends up...
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: che on September 06, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
Hahaha, Ronnie can't even tie his own shoe laces and  he needs help taking off  his shirt .
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: purenaturalstrength on September 06, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
I repeat, let Royce take away a bowl of grits away from Ronnie...and see how it ends up...

royce would jump on a bike and cry out for arnold's help like so

Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Nails on September 06, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
But now ... If Ronnie is an officer in Texas... i'm sure he had some form of hand to hand combat training from the academy that would give him some skills in the art of ass kicking
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Fortress on September 06, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
real fights are sudden outbursts of extreme aggression, and rarely last over 30 seconds, so quit using the conditioning arguement

From MUCH experience, both as witness and participant, this is very true.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 03:32:30 PM
Pellius, These guys that think lifting weights alone makes you a fighter don't have a clue.  It's like the guys that say a ufc fighter would get killed in a bar fight. As if training to be fighter is somehow a liability in a real fight. No rules in a bar fight also go for the trained fighter.

When I was training with Renzo Gracie and Craig Kukuk  back in the day I would see the same thing over an over again.  A new student big guy would come in and they would have a submission ground fight against a little guy who has skills.  Some were so humiliated that they never came back again.  They walked in struting and would leave with their tail between their legs.

To the guys that think lifting alone will prepare you to fight should go to their nearest boxing gym or MMA dojo.  Get in the ring or the mats and see what happens.

Craig Kukuk? That IS back in the day. I remember him before he moved back East to be with Renzo. It was when the original Gracie Academy opened up in Torrance, CA. He was quite a beast and was Rorion's first Black Belt and I believe the first American Black Belt ever.

I usually avoid these threads because it's pointless and it's already been beaten to death. But it kept popping up to the top so I got in on it to see if anything new was brought up. Many bodybuilders are very insecure people. They got into it because of their insecurities. The world is still ruled by strength and force and if you look strong you get more respect (and willing women). Charles Atlas built his whole career on that concept. But bodybuilders build up their bodies to AVOID a fight. They hope, and with good reason, that if they look strong they won't be picked on or challenge. And for the most part they are right. Spike and Goink here freely admit to not being fighters but no rational man is going to single them out for combat. But I have found that bodybuilders, generally speaking, are not fighters. And certainly training as a bodybuilder has nothing to do with training as a fighter.

That being said, all else being equal, the bigger and stronger person wins. As far as I know, Coleman does not train in hand to hand combat. So I believe his considerable advantage in strength would not be enough. Guys like PureNatural have no experience with a trained fighter and have no idea what they would do to him. They watch the UFC and it just looks like a couple of guys brawling. They don't see the skill and technique. It's just like when I first walked into the Gracie Academy and they show me their taped. It didn't look so special to me. It's only after I had some training when I went back to watch the same tape I could see so much that I missed before. It's like when I first saw Pumping Iron. To me, they all looked the same. Just massive muscles. How could you tell who was better than the other. It's only years later after  I became more familiar and educated in the sport that I could then see how much more superior Arnold was to the other.

The only reason I decided to join, and this was back in 1991 before MMA and UFC, was that they always won. They beat the crap out of me. Guys would walk in all the time to challenge them to win the $10,000 grand they offered. No ring, no cage, no gloves. Just fight. And the Gracies always won. That very next night I came back to watch scrawny Royce beat the crap out of another clueless challenger much bigger than he was and who was a Black Belt in something. But of course no bodybuilders ever showed up to claim the prize. When push comes to Mata Leao they stick to flexing in the mirror.

And that's just how it should be. Leave the fighting to fighters.
 
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 03:36:05 PM
Naturally this is what he is going to say. What a lame thing to post ... as if it says anything.

Of course if Ronnie said he would crush him you'd hop on that. What do you think a Craig Titus would say? I take Ronnie at his word. And that says a lot.

The only thing lame would be what would happen to you if you went a few minutes going all out with a highly trained MMA fighter like Royce.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 03:46:16 PM
i adressed akebono

he is a washed up piece of shit with low strength levels and an inefficient way of fighting

Please educate us on what you consider an efficient way of fighting. Fact is Akebono had more training and more experience in fighting than Coleman ever did and he is three years younger than Royce, who is always considered washed up.

But it's true that Akebono was never did well in MMA. Neither would Coleman.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: pellius on September 06, 2011, 03:49:14 PM

Of course lifting weights doesn't make you a good fighter. However, the attribute of immense size and strength is hugely advantageous to one who becomes involved in a fight. And in a REAL FIGHT = an even greater advantage.

I could say the same thing to you, but in reverse: These guys who think training as a MMA/boxer/whatever alone makes them capable of beating someone much, much larger and who is in possession of extreme superior strength and power don't have a clue.

Fact is, everything in your "arsenal" is another card in your deck. If you fight technically, great; and if you are massive and hugely strong, great. Outside of this, there are too many variables.

Oh, and, yes, I have trained in the fighting arts and I have been inlvoved in NUMEROUS fights, both in public and as a doorman/bouncer for 20 years. I also have trained with weights for 26 years and weigh 295 pounds and can move very well, thank you. No "gassing" here, either.  

Fair post. The difference is that you are a bodybuilding and a trained fighter. As far as I know, Coleman is not. I would be far more willing to concede that you would beat Royce in a street fight than Coleman.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: cephissus on September 06, 2011, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: pellius link=topic=393899.msg5559146#msg5559146 date=1315348350
That being said, [b
all else being equal[/b], the bigger and stronger person wins. As far as I know, Coleman does not train in hand to hand combat. So I believe his considerable advantage in strength would not be enough. Guys like PureNatural have no experience with a trained fighter and have no idea what they would do to him. They watch the UFC and it just looks like a couple of guys brawling. They don't see the skill and technique. It's just like when I first walked into the Gracie Academy and they show me their taped. It didn't look so special to me. It's only after I had some training when I went back to watch the same tape I could see so much that I missed before. It's like when I first saw Pumping Iron. To me, they all looked the same. Just massive muscles. How could you tell who was better than the other. It's only years later after  I became more familiar and educated in the sport that I could then see how much more superior Arnold was to the other.

Good post pellius.  I remember a similar process occurred in me when I started reading bodybuilding boards.  At first they all looked the same, but that quickly changed... just the other day one a guy I know was looking at a promo shot of Henry Cavill in the new superman movie, decked out in a muscle suit.  When I told him, he quickly posted one of his many shirtless pics to prove me wrong -- "Dude, that's his real body!"  It boggled my mind how he couldn't see the obvious differences in muscle shape and proportion between the two pictures.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Darren Avey on September 05, 2022, 10:48:53 AM
Saturday evening in park royal,  near Wembley,  west London a second dan bjj black belt got destroyed by a 280lb rugby prop who.has absolutely zero experience in "fighting arts."
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: joswift on September 05, 2022, 10:52:04 AM
Saturday evening in park royal,  near Wembley,  west London a second dan bjj black belt got destroyed by a 280lb rugby prop who.has absolutely zero experience in "fighting arts."

Rugby players have a takedown defence
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: GymnJuice on September 05, 2022, 11:17:04 AM
Bhanky could take them both out right now today at this very moment.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Humble Narcissist on September 06, 2022, 02:20:58 AM
Rugby players have a takedown defence
Elbow to the head.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: Phantom Spunker on September 06, 2022, 03:57:19 AM
Saturday evening in park royal,  near Wembley,  west London a second dan bjj black belt got destroyed by a 280lb rugby prop who.has absolutely zero experience in "fighting arts."

I got in a fight once when I was younger with a 6'9" professional rugby player who supposedly had a 'reputation'. He charged me into a wall and hit me first and still got the living shit beat out of him. I don't believe size means much outside of competition. If you're caught on the chin by anyone who knows how to punch, it's usually game over.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: oldgolds on September 06, 2022, 07:38:37 AM
Gracie wasn't much without the gi..He won because no one knew what the hell Brazilian Jiu-jitsu was.
Title: Re: Ronnie Coleman in his prime VS royce gracie in a bar fight - who wins
Post by: G_Thang on September 06, 2022, 08:22:02 AM
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/ff964l.jpg)

In Brasil, Ronnie gets stabbed in Santa Maria.  In Texas, Ronnie pulls his cop piece.  Draw.