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Some comments in the Luke thread make it sound like creatine is much worse, also this supp was (or is) banned by the brazilian health agency while steroids are very legal, things that make you go hmm.
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Neither are that bad... Creatine is worse than any injectable steroid, but worse than orals? I doubt it...
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Advil
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Advil
I heard that dude db20029339192 did a epic shop with tom prince and an advil bottle
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I heard that dude db20029339192 did a epic shop with tom prince and an advil bottle
Yeah, cool dude, did this Prince Video too, PIP :'(
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I thought studies showed no adverse effects from creatine (except for people with pre existing kidney problems).
Some comments in the Luke thread make it sound like creatine is much worse, also this supp was (or is) banned by the brazilian health agency while steroids are very legal, things that make you go hmm.
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I thought studies showed no adverse effects from creatine (except for people with pre existing kidney problems).
THIS?
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yes everything but steroids :D
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i think the risk/reward ratio is what most "bodybuilders" are concerned with.
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Some comments in the Luke thread make it sound like creatine is much worse, also this supp was (or is) banned by the brazilian health agency while steroids are very legal, things that make you go hmm.
actually in your case Bam-Bam, it's more dangerous living a favela with a debt to the local boss.
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creatine - deadly stuff! Here's an example of long term abuse...
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Advil
Yeah, but you're planning to take creatine every day for weeks or months.
Advil is something you might take once every few weeks when needed for headache, etc.
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Alcohol
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Yeah, but you're planning to take creatine every day for weeks or months.
Advil is something you might take once every few weeks when needed for headache, etc.
ha ha, you must be new.
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I have no pre-existing kidney problems that I'm aware of and I have had several of the sharp knife stab feelings in my lower back when using creatine.
I've always laughed them off but know of no one else who's had them so :-\
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Just talking about creatine there. I'm not going to say it's more dangerous than steroids ;)
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Creatine is safe, used by millions of people over long years, people are talking out of their asses here.
Injectable steroids are safe as well, testosterone has been around longer than your moms, also very good scientifical studies on this.
Same goes for high protein diets, btw.
IF anything hurts your kidneys it's not drinking enough, taking diuretics, painkillers and other rec drugs.
Don't fall into a panic over this, there are so many idiots out there thinking that "if 5g of creatine are recommended, i take 20 and get more effect", and no one has gone to kidney failure over this.
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I never do the 'loading phase' for creatine, I think this might put unnecessary strain on the kidneys.
After a week of taking 5 grams of creatine a day it will gradually enter your system anyway, the loading phase is a waste.
Creatine makes me really thirsty, a really dry thirst I never have when I don't use it. Though I only feel like this if I'm dehydrated.
If you make sure to keep hydrated throughout the day it shouldn't be a problem, I think this why some people might get problems because they don't drink enough water when using it. I drink one and a half litres of water just at the gym alone so never had any problems!
Also I think you could use it non-stop with no probs but I personally prefer to just use it for a month or two at a time.
Oh, also drink it with orange juice or any fruit juice, it apparently helps it get absorbed better.
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Creatine is safe, used by millions of people over long years, people are talking out of their asses here.
Injectable steroids are safe as well, testosterone has been around longer than your moms, also very good scientifical studies on this.
Same goes for high protein diets, btw.
IF anything hurts your kidneys it's not drinking enough, taking diuretics, painkillers and other rec drugs.
Don't fall into a panic over this, there are so many idiots out there thinking that "if 5g of creatine are recommended, i take 20 and get more effect", and no one has gone to kidney failure over this.
Dr Dutch approved..taking 100gr of creatine at once only gives you the running shit.
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back in the day I got some bad back pain while cycling thai 'bols but I dont know if it was the kidneys? are they even supposed to hurt?
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Some comments in the Luke thread make it sound like creatine is much worse, also this supp was (or is) banned by the brazilian health agency while steroids are very legal, things that make you go hmm.
Creatine is harmless: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18652082
Subcell Biochem. 2007;46:275-89.
Safety of creatine supplementation.
Persky AM, Rawson ES.
Source
Division of Pharmacotherapy and Experimental Therapeutics, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7360, USA.
Abstract
The literature on creatine supplementation supporting its efficacy has grown rapidly and has included studies in both healthy volunteers and patient populations. However, the first rule in the development of therapeutic agents is safety. Creatine is well-tolerated in most individuals in short-term studies. However, isolated reports suggest creatine may be associated with various side effects affecting several organ systems including skeletal muscle, the kidney and the gastrointestinal tract. The majority of clinical studies fail to find an increased incidence of side effects with creatine supplementation. To date, studies have not found clinically significant deviations from normal values in renal, hepatic, cardiac or muscle function. Few data are available on the long-term consequences of creatine supplementation.
PMID: 18652082 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Dont forget myocardial fibrosis, steatosis and necrosis, plus increased risk of sudden death syndrome ;D
Sudden death for haters, that is. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Anabolic steroids are safe and have no real bad side effects apart from raised blood pressure, raised cholesterol, water retention, gynecomastia, enlarged left ventricle of heart, liver stress, shrunken testes and infertility, altered sex function, balding, acne, altered psychological states, virilization in women, etc.
Creatine, on the other hand, is some hardcore shit and should not be taken if you care about your body and living a long, healthy life.
If you only knew how ridiculous the above post is....
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;D
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Well I'm guessing it wasnt serious comment just highlighting that AAS certainly has a few more risks than creatine.
I know it wasn't serious...he was being sarcastic but his comments were very open ended...a common tactic used by the anti-steroid crowd. Watch:
*The side-effects of eating food: gaining massive excess body-fat, choking, excessive diarrhea, vomiting, increased cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack and stroke.
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depends on what kind of steroid. a oral steroid such as dbol,anadrol,halotestin,M1T,Superdrol are all going to be worse for your liver than creatine. anavar might actually be equal or even cause less stress on the liver than creatine except creatine does not shutdown the HPTA.
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depends on what kind of steroid. a oral steroid such as dbol,anadrol,halotestin,M1T,Superdrol are all going to be worse for your liver than creatine. anavar might actually be equal or even cause less stress on the liver than creatine except creatine does not shutdown the HPTA.
WTF has the liver to do with anything, we're discussing KIDNEYs here, retard.
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I agree, while I'm not one of the anti-steroid crowd or anti any drug, I am increasingly amazed at how people who either use PED's or are considering using them dont want to accept or hear that there is a very high chance if not a direct guaranteed result that they are irreversibly damaging themselves via their use of moderate, high or any dose of AAS.
Your point is valid about food in terms of abuse to a point, but say if you are eating a high fat diet, this is indirectly bad for you, ie we need a small amount of fat in our diet, consuming fat does not harm us, but abuse of it leads to problems, on the flip side clenbuterol for example is directly toxic to cardiac tissue regardless of dose or amount taken.
Speaking only of AAS and not other PED's....yes there are potential negative side-effects and no sane person can deny that but I think it's important to remember you can't simply say there is a potential, you have to include probability. Most of the side-effects are very easily controlled if you take the time to control them. However, most of the "Anti-Crowd" refuse to look at probability and choose to hold onto a manner of thinking similar to the example I used with food.
Further, there's simply too many things that often go ignored that shouldn't. For example, the 1996 New England Journal of Medicine study titled "The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men." In that study they gave 20 men 600mg of Testosterone-Enanthate for 10wks, that's 3x the amount of the standard high TRT dosing. If adverse side-effects were as probable as we're led to believe wouldn't at least one of these men have fallen prey to at least one? Of course they didn't but again, most in the "Anti-Crowd" refuse to acknowledge this study and it comes from one of the more well-respected journals out there. Then there's things like the AMA's statement at the Controlled Substance hearings that led to the 1990 Act. The AMA stated there was no link to physical or mental addiction and AAS and could provide no factual data to lend to supporting the bill and they went as far as to say "we vehemently oppose the Scheduling of anabolic androgenic steroids."
If these are not things that make you go hmmmm then nothing will and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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agreed
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creatine is like sand to your kidneys while some test and gh makes you disease proof! never got any flu when on the sauce!