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different types of training or drugs? ???
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Drugs... how much has leg training changed REALLY in the last 60 years... or any training for that matter. Same exercises that were gettin guys big then are gettin em big now... it's the other stuff that makes the difference ;)
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ill have to say training.... nobody does Full range squats... shit most don't do squats at all.. i cant recall the last time i seen a video of cutler doing squats ... its mostly leg presses with thousand pounds.... i cant recall 70's bodybuilders ever load up the leg press with a grand or grand and half of plates.
drugs the finishing touch
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Drugs. Guys are 40-60lbs heavier and leaner in contest shape now, all that weight has to go somewhere. Big bodybuilders were #200-210 in conestest shape back in the 70's. Very tall ones maybe 10-20 heavier than that.
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Modern advances in training. :D :D
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Legs weren't as valued back in the day. Could be just changing ideas of what constitutes ideal proportions.
Arnold never had huge wheels, ever. They were always long and lean. He backed off the heavy training and they shrank the next week. Check out his shitty attempts at squats in that video, also. Nice depth. ::)
We can't forget the elevating drug usage over the decades, as well.
Also, what was thought to be possible, as far as poundages used, etc. was much less than what has become reality. And hell, the modern equipment is a world away from what it was back then, too. Now you can load 50 tonnes onto a regular leg press. Fifty years ago guys had to clean the barbell onto the backs of their shoulders to even do a frickin' squat.
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Fifty years ago guys had to clean the barbell onto the backs of their shoulders to even do a frickin' squat.
Yeah, squat racks didn't exist in 1961. ::)
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Yeah, squat racks didn't exist in 1961. ::)
Dude, you get my point. It wasn't long before 1961 that racks as they are now didn't exist in most gyms. I make some valid points and you get all pissy about one comment meant to convey an idea of sorts. Fuck me running. ::)
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Dude, you get my point. It wasn't long before 1962 that racks as they are now didn't exist in most gyms.
Yeah, I was just being fecicious. ;D
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The leaner you are the bigger your legs appear, so combine that with everything being bigger anyway, in the 70's, with the exception of a few, no one was ripped and as you know the 80's almost everybody had legs.
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Dude, you get my point. It wasn't long before 1961 that racks as they are now didn't exist in most gyms. I make some valid points and you get all pissy about one comment meant to convey an idea of sorts. Fuck me running. ::)
this is true.. i read an Arnold book and he was saying when he was 15 16 yrs old and started lifting they didnt even have incline benches... he had to use an adjustable sit-up board put it at 45 deg clean the barbell off the floor and slowly control the weight and his body down to the situp board to do incline barbell preses
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different types of training or drugs? ???
Nothing to do with drugs but all about technique. Int he "old days" they lacked the tools such as a swedish workout ball and top notch physical trainers or "gurus". Photo evidence below.
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this is true.. i read an Arnold book and he was saying when he was 15 16 yrs old and started lifting they didnt even have incline benches... he had to use an adjustable sit-up board put it at 45 deg clean the barbell off the floor and slowly control the weight hand his body down to the situp board to do incline barbell preses
And just to show you how ackward that was, check out Bruce Randall incline pressing #330, Bruce Randall was also known for bulking to 400ish pounds then cutting to a not sloppy #200-
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v329/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087922_9828.jpg).
(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v312/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087520_4448.jpg).
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v312/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087521_8119.jpg).
Bottom picture is #225.
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depends on how far back... But does tom platz come to mind?
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schmoe squats
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UTD
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And just to show you how ackward that was, check out Bruce Randall incline pressing #330, Bruce Randall was also known for bulking to 400ish pounds then cutting to a not sloppy #200-
(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v329/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087922_9828.jpg).
(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v312/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087520_4448.jpg).
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v312/27/82/1250149417/n1250149417_30087521_8119.jpg).
Bottom picture is #225.
that is not even a "incline press", no wonder he had a shitty chest
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Nothing to do with drugs but all about technique. Int he "old days" they lacked the tools such as a swedish workout ball and top notch physical trainers or "gurus". Photo evidence below.
That ball squat picture kills me. I feel injured just looking at it. :P
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it cant just be drugs,deca is the best leg drug and its been around for awhile,having a decent set of wheels became more important in pro bodybuilding over the years,and when platz came along he sorta changed the game,and though squats are the best overall leg builder,hacksquats are more important for quad developement and the hack squat machine has got a lot better over the years,as has the legpress and all the various leg machines.
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it cant just be drugs,deca is the best leg drug and its been around for awhile,having a decent set of wheels became more important in pro bodybuilding over the years,and when platz came along he sorta changed the game,and though squats are the best overall leg builder,hacksquats are more important for quad developement and the hack squat machine has got a lot better over the years,as has the legpress and all the various leg machines.
Um......What ??
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different types of training or drugs? ???
Props to Arnold for his accomplishments but struggling with 315, LOL.
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my bad... now i remember Jay does squats... mostly smith machine ... he he is doing front squats
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All about drugs, leg is the biggest body part, so it just grows more than the others due the steroid use.. thats my opinion ;)
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different types of training or drugs? ???
reason is the massive gh and insulina doses,, they grow everything ,, or should i say they blow up! blow up is the word..they blow up everything,, blow it up and make sure the bodyfat between skin and muscle is low....
back then in the 70s there was no usage of insulina ....and gh was vry experiemental not even remotly close to 20 iu a day lol ,, today fellas dont even train unless a good stack of hgh and insulina is in the blood,, im really talkin here 15+ iu gh and LOTS of insulina ,, i cant put here numbers becuase it can really harm an 18 year old who jus tstarted training 2 months ago,,it can harm anyone to be honest make many insulina dependent and add to kidney problems after prolonged usage
gh15 approved
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Legs weren't as valued back in the day. Could be just changing ideas of what constitutes ideal proportions.
Arnold never had huge wheels, ever. They were always long and lean. He backed off the heavy training and they shrank the next week. Check out his shitty attempts at squats in that video, also. Nice depth. ::)
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drugs, more people in the 'sport' and more emphasis on legs (although a lot of pros leg training is totally lazy ass training)
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reason is the massive gh and insulina doses,, they grow everything ,, or should i say they blow up! blow up is the word..they blow up everything,, blow it up and make sure the bodyfat between skin and muscle is low....
back then in the 70s there was no usage of insulina ....and gh was vry experiemental not even remotly close to 20 iu a day lol ,, today fellas dont even train unless a good stack of hgh and insulina is in the blood,, im really talkin here 15+ iu gh and LOTS of insulina ,, i cant put here numbers becuase it can really harm an 18 year old who jus tstarted training 2 months ago,,it can harm anyone to be honest make many insulina dependent and add to kidney problems after prolonged usage
gh15 approved
ok gh15 i can tell ur american hahahah...... i love the broken english though...... i admire the effort you put in to write badly ........however its nothing really to do with the increase of drugs and how potent the drugs have become........its to do with the fine tuning of bodybuilding......guys have realised that more balance has to be achieved in order to get the nod from the judges......its that simple..........all muscle grows from drug use.......its up to the individual to stimulate each muscle equally and in proportion to the other muscle groups = simple!
monstercalves approved hahah!
ps....... stop writing in broken english .......its wasting you're time and your students.....just be real....
nobody knows nor can prove who you are !!!!!!
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slin and gh
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Like I say, his legs were never huge. He did achieve quite good wheels for a time, but they were never huge.
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Eight reps with 315 on front squat and he is on gas and Mr. Olympia?! What a flake. Plus, he looks small (for him) in this video.
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Like I say, his legs were never huge. He did achieve quite good wheels for a time, but they were never huge.
The only people that need bigger legs than Arnold is national level BB. Those big as legs are so non functional for most activities in life.
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The only people that need bigger legs than Arnold is national level BB. Those big as legs are so non functional for most activities in life.
How about the competitive powerlifter who builds them to immense proportions from all the heavy lifting? It's the reverse of bodybuilding training: the size is a by-product.
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Legs should be proportionate, not disgustingly oversized. For example, if your chest is 57", your thighs should each measure 28.5". These fat ass, muscularly obese dung beetles of today are so overdone it is retarded. Their ass is so huge they probably have schmoes wipe their butt for them after they take a dump. The reasons being, one - for the money and two - because they can't reach around their fat butts and huge guts to do it themselves.
Ideally the neck, arms and calves should all measure the same and as I said, the sum of both thigh measurements should equal the chest measurement. As for the waist, todays piles of shit have wastes.
FTN.
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Legs should be proportionate, not disgustingly oversized. For example, if your chest is 57", your thighs should each measure 28.5". These fat ass, muscularly obese dung beetles of today are so overdone it is retarded. Their ass is so huge they probably have schmoes wipe their butt for them after they take a dump. The reasons being, one - for the money and two - because they can't reach around their fat butts and huge guts to do it themselves.
Ideally the neck, arms and calves should all measure the same and as I said, the sum of both thigh measurements should equal the chest measurement. As for the waist, todays piles of shit have wastes.
FTN.
lol you;re saying ronnie has nice thighs and chest, I agree...
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Arnold's legs look AWESOME in these pics
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Drugs. Guys are 40-60lbs heavier and leaner in contest shape now, all that weight has to go somewhere. Big bodybuilders were #200-210 in conestest shape back in the 70's. Very tall ones maybe 10-20 heavier than that.
^This^
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reason is the massive gh and insulina doses,, they grow everything ,, or should i say they blow up! blow up is the word..they blow up everything,, blow it up and make sure the bodyfat between skin and muscle is low....
back then in the 70s there was no usage of insulina ....and gh was vry experiemental not even remotly close to 20 iu a day lol ,, today fellas dont even train unless a good stack of hgh and insulina is in the blood,, im really talkin here 15+ iu gh and LOTS of insulina ,, i cant put here numbers becuase it can really harm an 18 year old who jus tstarted training 2 months ago,,it can harm anyone to be honest make many insulina dependent and add to kidney problems after prolonged usage
gh15 approved
Gh15, at what point someone would lose his natural test production due to aas? and is every nowday pro diabetic?
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lol you;re saying ronnie has nice thighs and chest, I agree...
Coleslaw is a toxic waste dump.
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Smaller thongs make the legs look bigger.
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Coleslaw is a toxic waste dump.
yeah but you're throwing up ronnie numbers lol
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Smaller thongs make the legs look bigger.
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Today the dwarfs rule....short legs appear bigger with some muscle.
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Perfection right there.
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and why are you talking about legs only??.. all parts have become bigger because of moder drugs!!..
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Who the hell would want legs bigger than Arnold in those pics?
Being able to walk and run is a good thing. Upper body should always be a bit bigger than legs.
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ronnies physique has always been crap after 96-97. Bloated mess. He was better before he ever won his first mr o.
Platz looked like shit too.
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nice shape and conditioning, but despite the flattering lighting and shadows, let's be real here. his legs were tiny compared to ronnie coleman
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They didn't have such big legs back then cos they thought it looked stupid.
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When I started lifting weights around 81-82 you almost never saw anyone training legs in the gym. There were lots of bbers walking around the gym with muscular upper bodies and lagging legs.
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When I started lifting weights around 81-82 you almost never saw anyone training legs in the gym. There were lots of bbers walking around the gym with muscular upper bodies and lagging legs.
that's how it's supposed to be
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Interesting point - i think a combination of drugs and better access to leg training machines etc.
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that's how it's supposed to be
Heh. Some didn't train legs at all. It's looked pretty ridiculous in some cases.
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Stupid comparison. More then stupid.
If you don't know why then you have no idea about bodybuilding.
It's the GH and Insulin that makes the freaks of today. Nothing more.
No better training, visualization, midday-naps, orange juice, measuring scales, equipment, mind-over-matter, willpower or better walking shoes.
AT least 6 times the dose of AAS, 20-30 IU GH and 100-150 IU Insulin.
Case closed
screw you hater
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arnold did squats with 4 plates maybe
coleman did squats with 6+ plates
there has got to be something about that
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They didn't have such big legs back then cos they thought it looked stupid.
I agree with the old timers ways, chafing thighs are a nuisance :-\
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it's because of lazyness... arnold was less a bodybuilder and more of a guy hungry for fame and power who saw bodybuilding as a means of getting attention, his legs were small cuz he didn't train them, he'll do squats for the camera but when the camera is off he picks up two barbells and watches himself in the mirror doing curls cuz he's a narcissist
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Yup, I have the same issue. Not good for an active person.
I agree with the old timers ways, chafing thighs are a nuisance :-\
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Interesting point - i think a combination of drugs and better access to leg training machines etc.
(http://www.heavyweights.ca/bb/users/beeg/images/beeg12623.jpg)
This.
Plus I dont think the "oldtimers" really liked training legs...maybe precontest to "bring out the detail".
Nowadays bbers train them year round. on and offseason.
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arnold did squats with 4 plates maybe
coleman did squats with 6+ plates
there has got to be something about that
heaviest ive seen jay squat is 405
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it's because of lazyness... arnold was less a bodybuilder and more of a guy hungry for fame and power who saw bodybuilding as a means of getting attention, his legs were small cuz he didn't train them, he'll do squats for the camera but when the camera is off he picks up two barbells and watches himself in the mirror doing curls cuz he's a narcissist
This board should have the rule that any poster that says something bad about Arnold will suffer the consequences...
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heaviest ive seen jay squat is 405
yeah that's true, jay cutler and phil heath don't seem to put much effort in their training at all
hmmmmm.......
yeah i'm just gonna go with ALL DRUGS!
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This.
Plus I dont think the "oldtimers" really liked training legs...maybe precontest to "bring out the detail".
Nowadays bbers train them year round. on and offseason.
Bullshit. Alot of the oldtimes trained their legs 2-3 x week for hours at a time, that is fact.
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not too heavy not too small !
this A physique !
and i dont think you need megadoses !
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Interesting point - i think a combination of drugs and better access to leg training machines etc.
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guess in the 70's the didnt train hammys
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guess in the 70's the didnt train hammys
They did. It's just that none of them wanted to look like piggies. ;D Overdeveloped hamstrings and asses makes a person look like a disproportionate moron. It's the same with those huge, albeit muscular guts. Who in their right mind wants a 44" inch or larger waist, even if it's muscular?
The same holds true for an ass that's gotta be at least that big around teetering over a pair of thighs measuring Buddha knows what...40"?
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Its gotta be training more than drugs. Legs werent as big a priority back then as today, especially hamstrings. Tom Platz didnt have access to the drugs BB have today but his legs would fit perfectly on an Olympia stage today. Arnold squating 315 and Ronnie squating 585 for 10. Cmon. Drugs only do so much. Heart and intensity is required for the rest!!!
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Its gotta be training more than drugs. Legs werent as big a priority back then as today, especially hamstrings. Tom Platz didnt have access to the drugs BB have today but his legs would fit perfectly on an Olympia stage today. Arnold squating 315 and Ronnie squating 585 for 10. Cmon. Drugs only do so much. Heart and intensity is required for the rest!!!
what drugs didn't they have back then?
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arnold had sick legs btw
perfect shape and decent size
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yeah that's true, jay cutler and phil heath don't seem to put much effort in their training at all
hmmmmm.......
yeah i'm just gonna go with ALL DRUGS!
just because someone doesn't squat 600-700 lbs doesn;t mean they don;t train hard. try squatting 315 for sets of 15-20 reps with little rest between sets..its alot harder. not only that but jay goes for volume sometimes going up to 30 sets for his legs. just a different way of training
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They definitely train legs more than they used to.
The drugs are "just the finishing touch".
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They definitely train legs more than they used to.
The drugs are "just the finishing touch".
::)
All thanks to new scientific findings in regard to hypertrophy training and nutrition timing, PLUS they didn't have creatine back then.
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All thanks to new scientific findings in regard to hypertrophy training and nutrition timing, PLUS they didn't have creatine back then.
True... and with Cell Tech being better than steroids, it makes sense.
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True... and with Cell Tech being better than steroids, it makes sense.
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I'm not even going to read the stupid replies to this question...
wait....
maybe I should.