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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: whitewidow on September 11, 2011, 06:38:47 PM
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It really only takes 3 compounds to get massive if you have great genetics and a good foundation. I think those who wait till they are at least 20 years old even older can build a great foundation then when you throw in these compounds you will blow up. I was 25 when i started so I had a great natural foundation definately couldn't get any bigger naturally.
1. some form of testosterone dosn't really matter wich one. Test is Test. weather its sust, test E Test Cyp, suspension,
2. HGH
3.insulin
you can build a insane physique with just these 3 compounds. sure you can get a little better with some Tren and deca. but I have seen miracles and records set with people just using Test,HGH and insulin.
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I'm new here but how would you use these three compounds together? Protocol?
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TEST, GH, TREN.
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Add tren to that and its perfect
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It really only takes 3 compoubnds to get massive if you have great genetics and a good foundation. I think those who wait till they are at least 20 years old even older can build a great foundation then when you throwmn in these compounds you will blow up. I was 25 when i started so I had a great natural foundation definately couldnt get any bigger naturally.
1. some form of testostoerone dosnt really matter wich one. Test is Test. weather its sust, test E Test Cyp, suspension,
2. HGH
3.insulin
you can build a insane physique with just these 3 compounds. sure you cn get a little better with some Tren and deca. but I have seen miracles and records set with people just using Test,HGH and insulin.
I thought using insulin is very dangerous???
How can you do it safely?
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I would say test, tren only.
Maybe an oral in there too at times.
test hgh and slin is a bit "advanced" imo. and wont do much, quick enough.
It is advanced and only for top athletes but ike I keep saying this stack is what brings the usa gold medals from the olympics home. these are just the top 3-IMO you could also use other drugs. I m just ta;lking about if I could only use 3 drugs and thats it. for bodybuilding you would definately need tren thats why I do have it listed just not in the top 3 tren goes 4th.
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I thought using insulin is very dangerous???
How can you do it safely?
eat carbs...
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TEST, GH, TREN.
Much better choice than insulin IMO.
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insulin is the last thing you'd want to use imo
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Tren is definatley a pwerful compound but this is not for just bodybuilders but all sports. If I were speaking just about bodybuilding I still would keep it the same trenbolone is a very important drug fo0r a bodybuilder but id say it would be 4th. so for a BB
1.some form of test
2. HGH
3. insulin
4 trenbolone
I was speaking in regard to all sports when I mention the first stack. bodybuilding takes an array of drugs but still I think the top 3 are Test ,HGH and insulin.
Its all about creating new muscle cells. wich HGH and insulin are notorious for doing. You can recover alot faster if you are using insulin with HGH. it is very dangerous and I dont approve anybody try it unless they are a top competitor in any sport. But those 3 compounds combined will make you massive. and sure you can throw Tren in there if you are a bodybuilder but I was saying if I could just pick 3. tren would definately be 4th on my list after insulin. Im not sure what gh15 would say about this but knwing I posted it he would probably disagree so we could argue and start a 20 page thread=lol. If you use Test, insulin and HGH for 10 months you will blow up! I know if you are competing it would take more than these 3 compounds but these are my top 3 BB and all around professional sport drugs.
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Add tren to that and its perfect
in my original post I have tren up there its just not one of the top 3 I would use. I am saying if you could only use 3 compounds. Test, HGH and insulin has won people many gold medals and have taken athletes to another level as far as recovery goes and training goes. This isnt just for bodybuilders im taking all around sports. baeball,football,running,ect ect
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Much better choice than insulin IMO.
for bodybuilders maybe I am talking all around sports.I do have tren up there but not top 3 -IMO for a bodybuilder your right very important drug
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THat is why we go to gh15 for drug advice, and not to "whitewidow". ;D ;D
well when gh15 gets back we can see what he thinks.
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Whitewidow, you do tend to disagree with gh15 a lot which in turn makes me think you're ignorant about some things (No, not about sources and drug operations because I do not claim to know much about them or be deep in any of that game), BUT, you are right here. If you have Test, Slin, and GH you can certainly blow up. Will it be fake blown from within muscle? Yes. Will it have a real quality look to it? No. It will get you big though and relatively fast too.
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Test,Deca,Dbol has built many a good physique, solid training and a proper diet plan will let you know where you stand in the genetics department
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Whitewidow, you do tend to disagree with gh15 a lot which in turn makes me think you're ignorant about some things (No, not about sources and drug operations because I do not claim to know much about them or be deep in any of that game), BUT, you are right here. If you have Test, Slin, and GH you can certainly blow up. Will it be fake blown from within muscle? Yes. Will it have a real quality look to it? No. It will get you big though and relatively fast too.
I have known WW for years and I will tllu you right he is not ignorant. the dude knows his shit when it comes to AAS. GH15 knows some things as well, but also has all of you sheep fooled. No offense here bro, but wake up.
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lol, only one compounds is necessary, take a gym rat and inject him 5g of test a week. he will blow up, guaranteed.
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whitewidow. I'm pretty new to being on here even tho accounts abit older. But from what I've been reading you do seem to know ur stuff. And gh15 even tho it does seem you to fight lol.
but question for you I would like your advice. Well a few
first is test needed? For size gains. Not talking getting comp ready and masteron n tren. But just bulking is test needed. And other what would you rank better for size test or deca.
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whitewidow. I'm pretty new to being on here even tho accounts abit older. But from what I've been reading you do seem to know ur stuff. And gh15 even tho it does seem you to fight lol.
but question for you I would like your advice. Well a few
first is test needed? For size gains. Not talking getting comp ready and masteron n tren. But just bulking is test needed. And other what would you rank better for size test or deca.
I'm obviously not WW but I'd say test outranks Deca all day long....I'd say test outranks most steroids in-terms of importance. It is the most important steroid and moreover it's the most versatile and very user friendly in most cases.
As far as the WW list, I agree with test and HGH but tend to disagree with insulin being all that necessary. Anyway, that's my opinion.
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Test,Deca,Dbol has built many a good physique, solid training and a proper diet plan will let you know where you stand in the genetics department
Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner !!
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Whitewidow, you do tend to disagree with gh15 a lot which in turn makes me think you're ignorant about some things (No, not about sources and drug operations because I do not claim to know much about them or be deep in any of that game), BUT, you are right here. If you have Test, Slin, and GH you can certainly blow up. Will it be fake blown from within muscle? Yes. Will it have a real quality look to it? No. It will get you big though and relatively fast too.
I just like pissing the guy off. he gets funny when he melts he starts calling himself god and talks about elfs it gets crazy sometimes. its more for amusement he does know alot.
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leave out the insulin that shit needs to go!
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whitewidow. I'm pretty new to being on here even tho accounts abit older. But from what I've been reading you do seem to know ur stuff. And gh15 even tho it does seem you to fight lol.
but question for you I would like your advice. Well a few
first is test needed? For size gains. Not talking getting comp ready and masteron n tren. But just bulking is test needed. And other what would you rank better for size test or deca.
If you really want to bulk test is def needed one amp of sust a day if you really want to bulk. I think an everyday injection of sust is the best way to get huge then add in your deca and eventually your trenbolone. jumpstart it with anadrol if you really want to bulk. Lee Haney used these compounds for bulking and thats it as for AAS goes! when lee haney bulked he shot an amp of sust everyday, used deca in high amounts, used trenbolone for a long time almost all year and he used alot of anadrol not just to jumpstart he kept using it! most people just use anadrol for 4 weeks to jumpstart a cycle. lee haney used anadrol for months. he used trenbolone and androl for way to long. I personally wouldnt reccomned even kicking in the tren till the last 4-8 weeks of your cycle. but lee used anandrol for months. he bulked till he was 12 weeks out then used his cutting drugs. he always came in great shape. he had some strong kidneys and liver I will say that. when I always talk about using a vial of sust a day to bulk I got that from lee haney.
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Test,Deca,Dbol has built many a good physique, solid training and a proper diet plan will let you know where you stand in the genetics department
Of course these are what all the old school guys used but I am talking all around sports not just bodybuilding. the most important drugs involved with pro bodybuilding are still
#1- Test
#2- HGH
#3 insulin
#4 Trenbolone
#5 Deca (long acting)
#6 dianabol/anadrol both great for jumpstarting a cycle
#7 winstrol, EQ, masteron,primobolon, all about the same importance these are your cutting drugs but can also be used in a bulking cycle.
#8 Halotestin icing on the cake
some sports like say track guys are going to be more into a little test, HGH, insulin and winstrol. it all depends on what sport you are into. canseco didnt use test much he use HGH, deca and winstrol. Ive read his book. and he gives up his cycle stacks mainly HGH is what saved his career. he gives HGH alot of props for giving him another 5 years in the game after he started having back problems.He used Test too but it was mainly just deca and winstrol and HGH. look at victor contes athletes they all took home gold medals and they were all trained to use designer test on top of HGH and insulin. all of them used the same stack Test ,HGH and insulin.
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If you really want to bulk test is def needed one amp of sust a day if you really want to bulk. I think an everyday injection of sust is the best way to get huge then add in your deca and eventually your trenbolone. jumpstart it with anadrol if you really want to bulk. Lee Haney used these compounds for bulking and thats it as for AAS goes! when lee haney bulked he shot an amp of sust everyday, used deca in high amounts, used trenbolone for a long time almost all year and he used alot of anadrol not just to jumpstart he kept using it! most people just use anadrol for 4 weeks to jumpstart a cycle. lee haney used anadrol for months. he used trenbolone and androl for way to long. I personally wouldnt reccomned even kicking in the tren till the last 4-8 weeks of your cycle. but lee used anandrol for months. he bulked till he was 12 weeks out then used his cutting drugs. he always came in great shape. he had some strong kidneys and liver I will say that. when I always talk about using a vial of sust a day to bulk I got that from lee haney.
also why do you suggest long acting deca over npp curious?
thanks appreciate it like the info. Reason I ask is cause test loves to give me sides where others I'm fine. You say he used deca high amounts. Higher than test? Npp or deca never give me any problems. Soft boners that's it no gyno nothing compared to test. Amp of sust a day I'd do. But can I go higher on the dwca or is it a waste. More test or more deca. 1g. 2g? For deca
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Dude, if you have no problems with Deca and test gives you sides, why not stay with Deca despite what some idiot on the internet will tell you??
I understand that. But I myself even feel that thickness from test over deca that some talk about. I am really wondering is if I need test from more experienced fellas. Wondering if I will lack thickness n overall size in the end and waste my time on deca wheres I woulda got alot more size with test added. I'd prefer no test. But I'd prefer the size over all. Hoping to get away without it. Since I am new to the higher dose game. Its all new to me. Spent many yrs doing bullshit 2 amps a week here 4 amps a week there and stuck same weight forever. Lean muscle weight stuck I mean.
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Dude, if you have no problems with Deca and test gives you sides, why not stay with Deca despite what some idiot on the internet will tell you??
exactly do not listen to this fucking idiot! DK is one of the biggest ass clowns on the board.
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exactly do not listen to this fucking idiot! DK is one of the biggest ass clowns on the board.
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I understand that. But I myself even feel that thickness from test over deca that some talk about. I am really wondering is if I need test from more experienced fellas. Wondering if I will lack thickness n overall size in the end and waste my time on deca wheres I woulda got alot more size with test added. I'd prefer no test. But I'd prefer the size over all. Hoping to get away without it. Since I am new to the higher dose game. Its all new to me. Spent many yrs doing bullshit 2 amps a week here 4 amps a week there and stuck same weight forever. Lean muscle weight stuck I mean.
Veteran bodybuilder at my gym suggested to me for a good bulking cycle 1200mg Deca per week and 2 amps of Sust (500mg) per week plus add in EQ if you like or Dbol, I know on the net a lot of guys advise a 2-1 ratio of Test to Deca but if you dont get too many problems from Deca then i think 2 amps of Sust per week will keep you covered and you can take a high dose of Deca which mg for mg is a better anabolic than Test
Whitewidow i was also wondering why you prefer long acting Deca over NPP? NPP is pretty popular on the boards these days while a lot hate for Deca ???, i like both but be interested to read your thoughts
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Veteran bodybuilder at my gym suggested to me for a good bulking cycle 1200mg Deca per week and 2 amps of Sust (500mg) per week plus add in EQ if you like or Dbol, I know on the net a lot of guys advise a 2-1 ratio of Test to Deca but if you dont get too many problems from Deca then i think 2 amps of Sust per week will keep you covered and you can take a high dose of Deca which mg for mg is a better anabolic than Test
Whitewidow i was also wondering why you prefer long acting Deca over NPP? NPP is pretty popular on the boards these days while a lot hate for Deca ???, i like both but be interested to read your thoughts
Why do you think Deca is a better anabolic than test?
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I understand that. But I myself even feel that thickness from test over deca that some talk about. I am really wondering is if I need test from more experienced fellas. Wondering if I will lack thickness n overall size in the end and waste my time on deca wheres I woulda got alot more size with test added. I'd prefer no test. But I'd prefer the size over all. Hoping to get away without it. Since I am new to the higher dose game. Its all new to me. Spent many yrs doing bullshit 2 amps a week here 4 amps a week there and stuck same weight forever. Lean muscle weight stuck I mean.
The Test/Deca combo is a solid combo, in that there's no doubt but if test side-effects are a problem they can in most cases be controlled. A lot of guys that are scared of test because of side-effects simply don't know how to control what they're using. Then there are some guys that don't really have to worry about it, they can take as much test as they want and live by the seat of their pants and be free and clear in the side-effect department while others simply can't. Anyway, learn to control the side-effects, there are cases where some may still have problems but I am a firm believer that most people can control them if they simply take the time.
AI's can help with most of the side-effects and simply living a healthy lifestyle can help too, especially considering blood pressure and cholesterol.
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Why do you think Deca is a better anabolic than test?
Well going by the anabolic/androgenic ratio then Deca is more anabolic, and from personal experience Deca worked very well for me
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Well going by the anabolic/androgenic ratio then Deca is more anabolic, and from personal experience Deca worked very well for me
True but test is obviously much more androgenic and this is an important consideration when it comes to actual growth. Further, test is so versatile and I know I throw that word around a lot regarding test and tren (versatile) but it simply holds true and is what truly makes them the best steroids overall IMO.
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test/decca/dbol..... cant be beaten, tried and tested,,, for decades!!!
the next level obv is slin/gh.. only if you want to compete at a high bodyweight tho
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test/decca/dbol..... cant be beaten, tried and tested,,, for decades!!!
the next level obv is slin/gh.. only if you want to compete at a high bodyweight tho
Great combo but test/tren/dbol is my favorite. Actually test with rotating deca and tren and dbol burst is my absolute favorite.
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also why do you suggest long acting deca over npp curious?
thanks appreciate it like the info. Reason I ask is cause test loves to give me sides where others I'm fine. You say he used deca high amounts. Higher than test? Npp or deca never give me any problems. Soft boners that's it no gyno nothing compared to test. Amp of sust a day I'd do. But can I go higher on the dwca or is it a waste. More test or more deca. 1g. 2g? For deca
back then there was no NPP. 800mg a week Is what I was told but some dont reveal what they really took. I tend to believe him as 800mg of deca is a good amount. def keep your test dose higher than your deca doseage.
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im running more decca than test at the mo, and its working fine,,, but i never seem to suffer the same sides as most people
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Veteran bodybuilder at my gym suggested to me for a good bulking cycle 1200mg Deca per week and 2 amps of Sust (500mg) per week plus add in EQ if you like or Dbol, I know on the net a lot of guys advise a 2-1 ratio of Test to Deca but if you dont get too many problems from Deca then i think 2 amps of Sust per week will keep you covered and you can take a high dose of Deca which mg for mg is a better anabolic than Test
Whitewidow i was also wondering why you prefer long acting Deca over NPP? NPP is pretty popular on the boards these days while a lot hate for Deca ???, i like both but be interested to read your thoughts
I think you have to be patient but overall I think you get more size off of old school nandrolone. Nandrolone phenyl propionate needs to be shot at least 3 times a week if not more and the raw material its made from sometimes is crap. its a newer drug. I have nothing against NPP but I would use it closer to competition time. id always start a cycle using regular nandrolone than switching after 8 weeks. NPP is a great drug if you get a high quality brand of it. if you have seen tests when buying kilos regular nandrolone is usually more pure then NPP. if you have a source that gets 98% NPP than use it but i would always start with regular old nandrolone than switch over to NPP. NPP wont give you the mass as regular nandrolone will but the mass it does create is leaner muscle tissue. I guess just less injections and the chance you will get a better nanrolone decanoate product is why I prefer old school deca. NPP is still somewhat new. its hasnt even been around for 10 years for the the majority of bodybulders. I only saw it getting offered around 8 years ago. why dont people use boldenone propionate? because its shit and painfull. there are always reasons to go with the tried and true.
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test/decca/dbol..... cant be beaten, tried and tested,,, for decades!!!
the next level obv is slin/gh.. only if you want to compete at a high bodyweight tho
Yes this is tried and true you can also substitute the dbol for anadrol but this is as basic as it gets and will blow you up!
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I think you have to be patient but overall I think you get more size off of old school nandrolone. Nandrolone phenyl propionate needs to be shot at least 3 times a week if not more and the raw material its made from sometimes is crap. its a newer drug. I have nothing against NPP but I would use it closer to competition time. id always start a cycle using regular nandrolone than switching after 8 weeks. NPP is a great drug if you get a high quality brand of it. if you have seen tests when buying kilos regular nandrolone is usually more pure then NPP. if you have a source that gets 98% NPP than use it but i would always start with regular old nandrolone than switch over to NPP. NPP wont give you the mass as regular nandrolone will but the mass it does create is leaner muscle tissue. I guess just less injections and the chance you will get a better nanrolone decanoate product is why I prefer old school deca. NPP is still somewhat new. its hasnt even been around for 10 years for the the majority of bodybulders. I only saw it getting offered around 8 years ago. why dont people use boldenone propionate? because its shit and painfull. there are always reasons to go with the tried and true.
I think NPP first appeared in the 60's as Durabolin, then Deca-Durabolin came out a few years after and bodybuilders used that instead, as you said NPP seems to have made a comeback only recently.
Thats a good point you make about the powder quality.
So the Lee Haney cycle you mentioned would be something like
1 amp of Sust 250mg per day = 1750mg per week
Deca 800mg per week
Then you mentioned he used Tren and Anadrol with that, would the Anadrol be 100mg-150mg per day?
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TREN= best shit ever.. on 100mg ed and im in serious mutation, cant even imagine 200-300mg ed, thats probably how you turn pro. tren=godsend
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TREN= best shit ever.. on 100mg ed and im in serious mutation, cant even imagine 200-300mg ed, thats probably how you turn pro. tren=godsend
Agreed, Tren will make you look freaky, what are you taking with it?
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I have known WW for years and I will tllu you right he is not ignorant. the dude knows his shit when it comes to AAS. GH15 knows some things as well, but also has all of you sheep fooled. No offense here bro, but wake up.
Wake up? I never said that WW didn't know his drugs, nor do I follow gh15 like a sheep. A lot of gh15's posts about music, women, aliens, etc are really just entertaining BUT when it comes to drugs, his protocols of what it takes to get to the next level and what pro's use are spot on. You can't argue that until you have tried for urself which in most peoples case, they cannot because of how expensive it gets. NOT 1 gh15 hater has tried his protocols when yet the people who have are finding success... see the poster BBOY, he said it himself, he followed the gh15 bible, and poof like magic lol, 2nd place on the national stage and will soon have a procard.
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Agreed, Tren will make you look freaky, what are you taking with it?
only test 400mg, deca 250mg.. test for function, deca for joints, i would up the dose but im poor as fuck atm, tren is the cheapest option when you make it from pellets, but the best at the same time so im not complaining :P
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I think you have to be patient but overall I think you get more size off of old school nandrolone. Nandrolone phenyl propionate needs to be shot at least 3 times a week if not more and the raw material its made from sometimes is crap. its a newer drug. I have nothing against NPP but I would use it closer to competition time. id always start a cycle using regular nandrolone than switching after 8 weeks. NPP is a great drug if you get a high quality brand of it. if you have seen tests when buying kilos regular nandrolone is usually more pure then NPP. if you have a source that gets 98% NPP than use it but i would always start with regular old nandrolone than switch over to NPP. NPP wont give you the mass as regular nandrolone will but the mass it does create is leaner muscle tissue. I guess just less injections and the chance you will get a better nanrolone decanoate product is why I prefer old school deca. NPP is still somewhat new. its hasnt even been around for 10 years for the the majority of bodybulders. I only saw it getting offered around 8 years ago. why dont people use boldenone propionate? because its shit and painfull. there are always reasons to go with the tried and true.
Boldenone-Propionate....those two words combined together make me want to throwup! I'd rather inject battery acid into my testicles than to ever touch that stuff again.
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Really? AAS hgh and insulin will make my muscles bigger? Thank god you're mod lol
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Boldenone-Propionate....those two words combined together make me want to throwup! I'd rather inject battery acid into my testicles than to ever touch that stuff again.
I had a bottle of Bold Prop 200/ Test prop200 per mL...Never used it :-X :-X :-X
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I think NPP first appeared in the 60's as Durabolin, then Deca-Durabolin came out a few years after and bodybuilders used that instead, as you said NPP seems to have made a comeback only recently.
Thats a good point you make about the powder quality.
So the Lee Haney cycle you mentioned would be something like
1 amp of Sust 250mg per day = 1750mg per week
Deca 800mg per week
Then you mentioned he used Tren and Anadrol with that, would the Anadrol be 100mg-150mg per day?
Yes more loike 150mg a day and what was amazing was how long he used it for it wasnt for 4 weeks like most of us use it for Im talking he used it for a 2-3 months.
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Interesting thread. Was curious about the difference between Deca and NPP, other than the ester difference, that is. Thanks.
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gotta bump this thread. Arnold Jr and widow, Nobody gets massive with test only in the AAS department. In fact I would go as far to say that a guy who runs 4 cycles a year of a hefty dosage of dbol with NO injectables will have more muscle than a guy who runs 4 cycles of equal length at 2 grams of test (if that's all he is on). and I'm 100% serious.
the reason is testosterone is such a potent androgen that you will not be able to gain lot of muscle mass on it on it's own, it provides it's own antidote against muscle growth. dbol and deca on the other hand were designed to have tissue enhancing properties.
. I have used a shitload of test for the past 18 month anywhere from 250mg-1500mg and nothing really happens unless I add an anabolic in with it.
But It's ok keep spending your money on those vials of test every month like you have for the past 6 years while your 40 years old and stuck at the same numbers with acne and a red bloated face, those of us with half a brain and some common sense simply look no furthur than mike mezner, Vic Richards,serge, and arnold to know that it is not necessary. Don't you guys ever read gh15? He said he was at his biggest in terms of muscle mass on no test whatsoever. ;)
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Deca works better for me for solid growth and thickness.
Test works better when I want to thin out my hair or grow some more on my back.
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Deca works better for me for solid growth and thickness.
Test works better when I want to thin out my hair or grow some more on my back.
beautiful post, and very true. :)
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gotta bump this thread. Arnold Jr and widow, Nobody gets massive with test only in the AAS department. In fact I would go as far to say that a guy who runs 4 cycles a year of a hefty dosage of dbol with NO injectables will have more muscle than a guy who runs 4 cycles of equal length at 2 grams of test (if that's all he is on). and I'm 100% serious.
the reason is testosterone is such a potent androgen that you will not be able to gain lot of muscle mass on it on it's own, it provides it's own antidote against muscle growth. dbol and deca on the other hand were designed to have tissue enhancing properties.
. I have used a shitload of test for the past 18 month anywhere from 250mg-1500mg and nothing really happens unless I add an anabolic in with it.
But It's ok keep spending your money on those vials of test every month like you have for the past 6 years while your 40 years old and stuck at the same numbers with acne and a red bloated face, those of us with half a brain and some common sense simply look no furthur than mike mezner, Vic Richards,serge, and arnold to know that it is not necessary. Don't you guys ever read gh15? He said he was at his biggest in terms of muscle mass on no test whatsoever. ;)
dbol is a great AAS but if I were to pick the 3 compounds that are most important Id say it would be sust,HGH and insulin. I would always use dbol or turinabol to jumpstart a cycle. Gh15 always will tell you to use injectable dbol as would I. but he has taken his share of anabol tabs just like all of us have. I also said in the original post tren and deca are very important but if you just got 3 choices health wise Test ,HGH,Slin will get you some great gains and are safer than running dbol all year unless you are using injectable dbol. you have to consider your androgen receptors as well and eventually dbol will stop working if you use it year round. Test,HGH,insulin you can run year round safely if you know how to run insulin correctly. running tren all year will eventually start effecting your liver. very toxic I would only use tren for 12-14 weeks out of the year and its definately not for all athletes. hell the safest thing would probably be using HGH only in high doses. Im talking in all around sports not just bodybuilding. look at all the gold medals victor contes athletes won. they were all on HGH,insulin.and a desiger that was just like testosterone.for a bodybuilder you couldnt just pick 3 compounds it would at least have to be 6 compounds. but you can build a great physique just using sust,HGH and insulin. Pro level I would say probably not but you would def stick out in the gym.Also Id say almost every pro uses Testosterone and most would laugh at taking dbol all year.thats just a jumpstart drug IMO. BTW you must get some shit test if you do not gain off of it. and you didnt even read my whole first post. Im not here to argue though dianabol is a great drug you just cannot run it all year. alot of those guys from the late 60's and 70's are not very healthy these days.
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brb running 40 ius of insulin for my second cycle :D combined with BFGs advice i will be the biggest bodybuilder ever!!!!
sarcasm in case you cant tell
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gotta bump this thread. Arnold Jr and widow, Nobody gets massive with test only in the AAS department. In fact I would go as far to say that a guy who runs 4 cycles a year of a hefty dosage of dbol with NO injectables will have more muscle than a guy who runs 4 cycles of equal length at 2 grams of test (if that's all he is on). and I'm 100% serious.
the reason is testosterone is such a potent androgen that you will not be able to gain lot of muscle mass on it on it's own, it provides it's own antidote against muscle growth. dbol and deca on the other hand were designed to have tissue enhancing properties.
. I have used a shitload of test for the past 18 month anywhere from 250mg-1500mg and nothing really happens unless I add an anabolic in with it.
But It's ok keep spending your money on those vials of test every month like you have for the past 6 years while your 40 years old and stuck at the same numbers with acne and a red bloated face, those of us with half a brain and some common sense simply look no furthur than mike mezner, Vic Richards,serge, and arnold to know that it is not necessary. Don't you guys ever read gh15? He said he was at his biggest in terms of muscle mass on no test whatsoever. ;)
So you dropped test completely off?
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So you dropped test completely off?
I have, and it was the only time I looked half decent. (aka not a water balloon) I just use it cause it's better than nothing..but I don't expect much from it by itself.
I think Im gonna run me a gram of tren, 700mg week of anadrol, a gram of deca, and some primo if I can afford it. Yes my guy can get real turkish primo bitches :P :o
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I have, and it was the only time I looked half decent. (aka not a water balloon) I just use it cause it's better than nothing..but I don't expect much from it by itself.
I think Im gonna run me a gram of tren, 700mg week of anadrol, a gram of deca, and some primo next cycle. Yes my guy can get real turkish primo bitches :P :o
and what was the down side of not using any test?
also what did you run at that time?
im asking all these questions because i recently dropped the test to 250mg a week and i look and feel better than ever, but im not sure if i should drop it completely off tho...
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and what was the down side of not using any test?
also what did you run at that time?
im asking all these questions because i recently dropped the test to 250mg a week and i look and feel better than ever, but im not sure if i should drop it completely off tho...
I don't see why not.. You have to think of it like this, Anabolic steroids serve two purposes to increase protein synthesis/nitrogen retention and bind and activate androgen receptors. When you realize this from a muscle building perspective you see that the choice of compounds does not matter as much as the total mg your running. You realize that everything you have been told and taught is a bunch of bullshit and stuff like "test should be the base of every cycle" really is a dumb statement made by close minded people who never understood or took the time to understand pharmacology in the first place. I simply asked myself ok "what is testosterone going to do for me that I cant achieve with deca or dbol or anadrol or equipoise or NPP".
Lots of guys on here alot more knowladgable than me have flat out said you will look better and be bigger, on high doses of anabolics without test than high doses of anabolics with test, definitely opened my eye.
and for your first quesiton i was on 800mg npp and 100mg anapolon.
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gotta bump this thread. Arnold Jr and widow, Nobody gets massive with test only in the AAS department. In fact I would go as far to say that a guy who runs 4 cycles a year of a hefty dosage of dbol with NO injectables will have more muscle than a guy who runs 4 cycles of equal length at 2 grams of test (if that's all he is on). and I'm 100% serious.
the reason is testosterone is such a potent androgen that you will not be able to gain lot of muscle mass on it on it's own, it provides it's own antidote against muscle growth. dbol and deca on the other hand were designed to have tissue enhancing properties.
. I have used a shitload of test for the past 18 month anywhere from 250mg-1500mg and nothing really happens unless I add an anabolic in with it.
But It's ok keep spending your money on those vials of test every month like you have for the past 6 years while your 40 years old and stuck at the same numbers with acne and a red bloated face, those of us with half a brain and some common sense simply look no furthur than mike mezner, Vic Richards,serge, and arnold to know that it is not necessary. Don't you guys ever read gh15? He said he was at his biggest in terms of muscle mass on no test whatsoever. ;)
I know a lot of guys and I mean a lot of them who've grown very nicely by using a lot of test during the off-season and very little else. Then I know a lot of guys who use a lot of test and GH and not much of anything else in the off-season and they grow well too.
The biggest I ever got in an off-season was with 1,250mg of test per wk and 200mg of deca. I'm not saying this is the only way to go and looking back over my own history I wouldn't call it my favorite.
My favorite off-season stack by far is some form of test every day with a rotation of deca, tren and dbol. I'm speaking only of AAS and not referring to other added items that can possibly be added. My favorite off-season stack is as follows.
WK 1-6 Dbol 50mg-100mg/ed
WK 1-10 Deca 400mg-600mg/wk
WK 9-16 Tren-a 100mg/eod-ed
WK 11-16 Dbol 50mg-100mg/ed
WK 1-16 Test-e or Cyp 200mg-250mg/ed
This is a general example as the cycle can vary....16wks is just an easy example. Normally I'd cycle in this fashion anywhere from 16-20wks cruise on a lower dose of test for awhile and then start another similar course of go into more of a cutting phase.
Anyway, there you go.
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I don't see why not.. You have to think of it like this, Anabolic steroids serve two purposes to increase protein synthesis/nitrogen retention and bind and activate androgen receptors. When you realize this from a muscle building perspective you see that the choice of compounds does not matter as much as the total mg your running. You realize that everything you have been told and taught is a bunch of bullshit and stuff like "test should be the base of every cycle" really is a dumb statement made by close minded people who never understood or took the time to understand pharmacology in the first place. I simply asked myself ok "what is testosterone going to do for me that I cant achieve with deca or dbol or anadrol or equipoise or NPP".
Lots of guys on here alot more knowladgable than me have flat out said you will look better and be bigger, on high doses of anabolics without test than high doses of anabolics with test, definitely opened my eye.
and for your first quesiton i was on 800mg npp and 100mg anapolon.
Making test a base isn't simply a good idea based on performance enhancement but based on factors surrounding your health as well. Testosterone is an essential hormone, one of the most important hormones our body produces and when you suppress it and levels remain below optimal range for long periods of time this simply isn't a good thing. Absolutely, you don't have to run test to make gains or even maintain them; while low testosterone affects the body in a negative way regarding muscularity this is not a concern if other anabolics are in play but there are other negative aspects to having low testosterone levels for extended periods of time that can affect your mind, immune system and general disposition. Further, while these problems are problems in of themselves, when testosterone levels are low for long periods of time there are other factors of a negative nature that can be far more problematic such as:
• Diabetes
• High Cholesterol
• Loss of Memory (Alzheimer’s has been linked to low testosterone)
• Anxiety
• Hair-Loss (not very serious but not welcomed)
• Osteoporosis (Loss of Bone Mass & Density)
• Infertility
• Polyuria (Frequent Urination)
• Aches, Pains & Sores (often of a constant nature for no apparent reason)
If you're supplementing with testosterone while on cycle and providing your body with at least adequate amounts of the hormone it will not make any distinguishing difference between it and naturally produced testosterone. Simply put your overall health is protected. Of course we can argue about massive doses of testosterone and the possible fallout and consequences of that but that's a separate argument.
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thanks for the posts arnold, good stuff. I was forgetting about that, the importance testosterone plays in the body from a health perspective. interesting about low test and hair loss too. One thing is for sure, without test I still grow fine, but I FEEL horrible. No energy, concentration, or motivation in general. On high doses of test I feel like I'm on the top of my world, I usually look like shit but I feel awesome and get strong as fuck. Right now I'm on a gram of alpha pharma test-e nothing else. Haven't trained legs seriously in months and my squat was up a good 40 pounds, sure as fuck wasn't from the leg extensions lol
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thanks for the posts arnold, good stuff. I was forgetting about that, the importance testosterone plays in the body from a health perspective. interesting about low test and hair loss too. One thing is for sure, without test I still grow fine, but I FEEL horrible. No energy, concentration, or motivation in general. On high doses of test I feel like I'm on the top of my world, I usually look like shit but I feel awesome and get strong as fuck. Right now I'm on a gram of alpha pharma test-e nothing else. Haven't trained legs seriously in months and my squat was up a good 40 pounds, sure as fuck wasn't from the leg extensions lol
If you're taking a lot of test and looking like crap a lot of it is going to be due to estrogen issues which can be easily controlled as well as revolving around your diet. In the past I've taken massive amounts of test and looked like crap and then I've taken the same amounts of test and looked pretty good...it all depends on those factors.
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If you're taking a lot of test and looking like crap a lot of it is going to be due to estrogen issues which can be easily controlled as well as revolving around your diet. In the past I've taken massive amounts of test and looked like crap and then I've taken the same amounts of test and looked pretty good...it all depends on those factors.
I'm not really big on arimidex bro, and is expensive as shit for human grade. Diet never seemed to help me either. I eat less than 100grams of carbs a day year round, rediculously clean. I just always have that "soft" look. I'm trying out some prop instead of the long esters I usually use with some tren so maybe that will change my look.
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thanks for the posts arnold, good stuff. I was forgetting about that, the importance testosterone plays in the body from a health perspective. interesting about low test and hair loss too. One thing is for sure, without test I still grow fine, but I FEEL horrible. No energy, concentration, or motivation in general. On high doses of test I feel like I'm on the top of my world, I usually look like shit but I feel awesome and get strong as fuck. Right now I'm on a gram of alpha pharma test-e nothing else. Haven't trained legs seriously in months and my squat was up a good 40 pounds, sure as fuck wasn't from the leg extensions lol
Maybe you just do not respond well to testosterone. I am one of the guys who thinks test should be the base of all cycles. for all the reasons arnold jr. posted. like I said I believe most all pros base their cycles with test of some form. the most popular cycle has to be just an old school Test, Deca and dianabol cycle. or test ,deca and anadrol.
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I'm not really big on arimidex bro, and is expensive as shit for human grade. Diet never seemed to help me either. I eat less than 100grams of carbs a day year round, rediculously clean. I just always have that "soft" look. I'm trying out some prop instead of the long esters I usually use with some tren so maybe that will change my look.
If you're looking soft then it's an estrogen, body-fat or diet issue based on your response to carbs, it really can't be anything else. If your diet is good and you're not overweight this pretty much leaves an estrogen problem. A good Arimidex or Letrzolole tab shouldn't cost that much and in most cases it won't take very much to make a huge difference. A mere 0.5mg of Arimidex or maybe even as little as 0.25mg every other day might make all the difference in the world. And of course there's always the liquid option from a research site. I'm not a huge fan of research sites because so many of them are garbage but there are good ones out there and their products are normally pretty affordable.
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thanks for the posts arnold, good stuff. I was forgetting about that, the importance testosterone plays in the body from a health perspective. interesting about low test and hair loss too. One thing is for sure, without test I still grow fine, but I FEEL horrible. No energy, concentration, or motivation in general. On high doses of test I feel like I'm on the top of my world, I usually look like shit but I feel awesome and get strong as fuck. Right now I'm on a gram of alpha pharma test-e nothing else. Haven't trained legs seriously in months and my squat was up a good 40 pounds, sure as fuck wasn't from the leg extensions lol
This should've been the answer to my post about what the down sides lol
Making test a base isn't simply a good idea based on performance enhancement but based on factors surrounding your health as well. Testosterone is an essential hormone, one of the most important hormones our body produces and when you suppress it and levels remain below optimal range for long periods of time this simply isn't a good thing. Absolutely, you don't have to run test to make gains or even maintain them; while low testosterone affects the body in a negative way regarding muscularity this is not a concern if other anabolics are in play but there are other negative aspects to having low testosterone levels for extended periods of time that can affect your mind, immune system and general disposition. Further, while these problems are problems in of themselves, when testosterone levels are low for long periods of time there are other factors of a negative nature that can be far more problematic such as:
• Diabetes
• High Cholesterol
• Loss of Memory (Alzheimer’s has been linked to low testosterone)
• Anxiety
• Hair-Loss (not very serious but not welcomed)
• Osteoporosis (Loss of Bone Mass & Density)
• Infertility
• Polyuria (Frequent Urination)
• Aches, Pains & Sores (often of a constant nature for no apparent reason)
If you're supplementing with testosterone while on cycle and providing your body with at least adequate amounts of the hormone it will not make any distinguishing difference between it and naturally produced testosterone. Simply put your overall health is protected. Of course we can argue about massive doses of testosterone and the possible fallout and consequences of that but that's a separate argument.
How much test is enough to keep yourself from shutting down?
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as i said to flinston before,, he suffer from estrogenic geneticaly of jew heritage,, dont recomend him higher doses testosterona it wont work for him ,, he come to the table with higher bodyfat in the 12% probably maybe even more... so what he need is
trenbolona ace
hgh
minimal testosterona
this is it
what i woudl do if i were flinston is as foloow
5 vials of tri blends from top chefs 50 50 50
5 vials of trenbolona ace 100
2 kits of growth hormone ,, legit growth hormone
masterona will be your anti estrogen compiound its part of the tri blend so avoid any other balonie
you do the follow
every second day 1 ml of tri blend into blood with extra .5-1 ml of the trenbolona ace added to the same syrnge bringing total of trenbolona to higher level while keeping testosterona in the 50...masterona in the 50...
you do this every second day
while you do this OR BEFORE HAND ....4-6 iu of growth hormone
that is it! you preferable prime body with the growth! do it for the duration fo the 2 kit upon middle kit 2 start your cycle of aas....do it mayeb even add another kit of gh with the aas cycle and maybe even one more later on to follow,, then you drop gh and stay with same aas in blood for another 6 week
this wil put you 190-200lb 6% ,, this is a fitness level cycle and most fitness felas are on it ,, it will lean your face it will get you to be sagi kalev ,, maybe not his muscle mesurements diameter because you are a kido still ,, but you wil b epretty damn close as we call it on the way ,, he got good 20 years on you almost,, so it will take few years to get there but you will be on the way
good luck ,, and dont listen to posting above ,, you are jew it is diff approach with jews
keep testosterona to 200-300 mg intitialy as part of the tri blend ....then after you are done afetr 6 months....when you are 190 6% or 200 6% ...then!!! put it into 1000mg a week testosterona high drive with higher doses hgh to blow up from within into the 220s
gh15 approved
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and flinston,,, DONT EVER eat only 100 gram crabs,, jews dont grow on low cabrs ,,no more this balonie low carb crap ,, LOAD THE CALORIES AND BE ON HGH! ,, this is the only way for you ,, trust me i just now saved you 10 years,, this 2 lasts posts of me rigght now took you in time machine into 2021...in 2011!,, follow ti to the t
gh15 approved
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as i said to flinston before,, he suffer from estrogenic geneticaly of jew heritage,, dont recomend him higher doses testosterona it wont work for him ,, he come to the table with higher bodyfat in the 12% probably maybe even more... so what he need is
trenbolona ace
hgh
minimal testosterona
this is it
what i woudl do if i were flinston is as foloow
5 vials of tri blends from top chefs 50 50 50
5 vials of trenbolona ace 100
2 kits of growth hormone ,, legit growth hormone
masterona will be your anti estrogen compiound its part of the tri blend so avoid any other balonie
you do the follow
every second day 1 ml of tri blend into blood with extra .5-1 ml of the trenbolona ace added to the same syrnge bringing total of trenbolona to higher level while keeping testosterona in the 50...masterona in the 50...
you do this every second day
while you do this OR BEFORE HAND ....4-6 iu of growth hormone
that is it! you preferable prime body with the growth! do it for the duration fo the 2 kit upon middle kit 2 start your cycle of aas....do it mayeb even add another kit of gh with the aas cycle and maybe even one more later on to follow,, then you drop gh and stay with same aas in blood for another 6 week
this wil put you 190-200lb 6% ,, this is a fitness level cycle and most fitness felas are on it ,, it will lean your face it will get you to be sagi kalev ,, maybe not his muscle mesurements diameter because you are a kido still ,, but you wil b epretty damn close as we call it on the way ,, he got good 20 years on you almost,, so it will take few years to get there but you will be on the way
good luck ,, and dont listen to posting above ,, you are jew it is diff approach with jews
keep testosterona to 200-300 mg intitialy as part of the tri blend ....then after you are done afetr 6 months....when you are 190 6% or 200 6% ...then!!! put it into 1000mg a week testosterona high drive with higher doses hgh to blow up from within into the 220s
gh15 approved
Gh15 I do believe people can grow on a low level of testosterone but honestly do you really think it is safe to run tren all year? or even 6 months out of a year? I know Tren is the most potent AAS available but it is also super hepatoxic and causes the most side effects IMO well mainly trensomnia wich is bad! sleep is very important. Tren can also make one feel kind of on edge and cocky feeling. also dbol always makes my blood pressure high but tren really makes my blood pressure high I use xanax to control the trensomnia and high blood pressure and just regular anxiety I have. what is the safest duration one should use tren acetate for?
I have never felt comfortable running it more more than 6 weeks when I am ending a cycle. even then bloodwork shows liver values barely normal. How safely can a person run tren Acetate and still have healthy liver values? or do you recommend the user getting bloodwork done every 3 months? I know you talk alot about the magic drug Trenbolone Acetate but honestly how safe is it to run this drug for long durations year after year? I just use it once a year at the end of my cycle when I am dialing everything in and getting ready for the summer. I just could not imagine running tren year round. This year I have used it twice but I am always having horrible sleep patterns unless I take xanax and same goes for blood pressure. also like I said liver values will jump up to an abnormal range. How does one get away with using high doses of tren for those long durations you speak of? It seems like a recipe for disaster eventually. also alot of guys doing this will never go pro or earn a penny bodybuilding so whats the point risking your health? if its just to get pussy you can use it at a lower dose and for a shorter duration. I always go into the summer looking my best but I can always keep up my appearance when I am on my off cycle stack of HGH,DHEA,TRib, Nolva, and sometimes a touch of proviron and vitargo. wether I am on gear or off gear I can still always get pussy and have women feeling my arms and chest so risking your health to get pussy is not worth it. are your recommendations mainly for top level competitors and pros? I just do not see some of what you say fit for some of these average gymrats.I am not saying you give bad advice just seems like it is meant for guys who are NPC or IFBB competitors. when I go in the club I know I am the only guy on tren and there is no competition and unless you live in NY or jersey,san diego I think the majority of people in bars are not all juiced up.
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they all want to be npc competitor i give them cycle of npc competitor,, even if they dont want to be npc competitor they still want to look like bodybuuld i give what im asked,, trenbolona can run fo r6 months even for 12 months,, AS LONG AS you are not abuser of narcotics,, booz,, pain killers,,diuretic,,
from runing this compound for many years i can tell you the folowing
blood presure remain perfect most of the time ,, blood pressure always change so ofcourse when training it will go higher etc,, but over all blood pressure 120 over 80 130 over 80 110 ovr 80 110 over 65 etc ,, this is perfect blood prssure
liver values really prety much same ,, its not oral and even oral is not big deal but its not oral its inject much less problematic
kidnsys...again it is matter of other substance abuse when someone lose kidny ,, usualy it is diuretic being done like a moron and n a r c o t i c s ,, i dont know anyone who lost kidny from trenbolona ,, i know few who died from narcotics and diuretics abuse
ummm over lal safe drug,, the only reaon you may want to keep it for 6 months and not all year is becaue it takes a toll on the head! mental toll ,, and its not easy if you need to have normal job and be with good terms with girl etc,, but many bodybuild are very good in keeping cool ,, so it individual dependent
the insomina you talk about is there,, but this is also why i put in the gh ,, gh cancel any side of any other drugs aside from narcotics,,
gh is like ummm well legit gh is like ...remember that finger red long finger with red light et had in movie? that cured everything? thats how big human growth hormone is ,, it is like that et finger,, it will heal everything,, it wil bring everything to omeostasis,, it will help sleep tremendous since i am on human growth and on tren and when i go sleep it is 6-7 hour of deep sound sleep...and im on lots of trenbolona along my career,, so gh cancel this effect to some degreee and when you sleep it is very very sound sleep 5 hour = 8!
if you are on hgh you can do lots of balonie you cant when you dont have hgh in blood,, lots and lots of balonie can be done by you and hgh will grow you no matter what,, if i didnt love bodybuuild i would lactualy tel fellas here the true reality about bodybuild...which is ...you dont need to even train your delts if no gh in blood...becaude no matter how much you will lift ...the delt will not be 3 dimentional until gh introduced ,, so you can be super strong but they will still look the same as any other fella less strong than you that is on aas too,, the magic happen when hgh is in the blood!,, but....i love bodybuild so i dont say it like that...
reality of the matter is you dont even need to train if you dotn have gh in blood,, and when i say this i include the window of 6 months opportuinty gh creates...so in other words...if you cant get gh for 6 months out of the year...there is really no need for you to bodybuild...because you will be stuck in an era called 1960...
gh15 approved
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and when you stuck in era called 1960 ...you better be 22 to do bodybuild! even younger...why? because at 20 your hgh release is still nice...and you can grow ,, when you get to 30...no gh in blood and you are done with bodybuild ,, finished ,, finito no matter what anyone tell you ,, the reason fellas retired back then at 30 was because...the body quit on them ,,
now day ...gh in blood...you see the 45 year old ron herises lie and run around balonie their mouth saying how wonderful their hard work payed yabadee yabada
gh15 approved
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they all want to be npc competitor i give them cycle of npc competitor,, even if they dont want to be npc competitor they still want to look like bodybuuld i give what im asked,, trenbolona can run fo r6 months even for 12 months,, AS LONG AS you are not abuser of narcotics,, booz,, pain killers,,diuretic,,
from runing this compound for many years i can tell you the folowing
blood presure remain perfect most of the time ,, blood pressure always change so ofcourse when training it will go higher etc,, but over all blood pressure 120 over 80 130 over 80 110 ovr 80 110 over 65 etc ,, this is perfect blood prssure
liver values really prety much same ,, its not oral and even oral is not big deal but its not oral its inject much less problematic
kidnsys...again it is matter of other substance abuse when someone lose kidny ,, usualy it is diuretic being done like a moron and n a r c o t i c s ,, i dont know anyone who lost kidny from trenbolona ,, i know few who died from narcotics and diuretics abuse
ummm over lal safe drug,, the only reaon you may want to keep it for 6 months and not all year is becaue it takes a toll on the head! mental toll ,, and its not easy if you need to have normal job and be with good terms with girl etc,, but many bodybuild are very good in keeping cool ,, so it individual dependent
the insomina you talk about is there,, but this is also why i put in the gh ,, gh cancel any side of any other drugs aside from narcotics,,
gh is like ummm well legit gh is like ...remember that finger red long finger with red light et had in movie? that cured everything? thats how big human growth hormone is ,, it is like that et finger,, it will heal everything,, it wil bring everything to omeostasis,, it will help sleep tremendous since i am on human growth and on tren and when i go sleep it is 6-7 hour of deep sound sleep...and im on lots of trenbolona along my career,, so gh cancel this effect to some degreee and when you sleep it is very very sound sleep 5 hour = 8!
if you are on hgh you can do lots of balonie you cant when you dont have hgh in blood,, lots and lots of balonie can be done by you and hgh will grow you no matter what,, if i didnt love bodybuuild i would lactualy tel fellas here the true reality about bodybuild...which is ...you dont need to even train your delts if no gh in blood...becaude no matter how much you will lift ...the delt will not be 3 dimentional until gh introduced ,, so you can be super strong but they will still look the same as any other fella less strong than you that is on aas too,, the magic happen when hgh is in the blood!,, but....i love bodybuild so i dont say it like that...
reality of the matter is you dont even need to train if you dotn have gh in blood,, and when i say this i include the window of 6 months opportuinty gh creates...so in other words...if you cant get gh for 6 months out of the year...there is really no need for you to bodybuild...because you will be stuck in an era called 1960...
gh15 approved
Thats a good blood pressure for how m uch Tren you talk about using what if you are african american and naturally have high blood pressure? I am on legit HGH straight from walgreens and I still do not get a sleep pattern that is rem sleep unless I take xanax and even with the xanax its not rem sleep but still works better than the HGH If I use a oral with the tren like dianabol thats when I really have high blood pressure. with the xanax its 127/79 but it can get around 138/89 if I am on dbol and tren and even HGH I know 138/89 is not awful but they consider that pre-hypertension these days. even though Tren is injectable it is still harsh on your liver I dont care what anybody says and oral tren should just be trashed very bad stuff. It seems like everybody I know gets on edge when on trenbolone almost roid rage status. not quite that bad but people including myself are short temper and cocky. somebody pisses you off your ready to kick the crap out of them. thats where the xanax helps again it has a calming effect. I do not consider xanax a narcotic even though it is a schedule 4 narcotic its def not cocaine or meth or heroin. its just a drug that calms you down when you get stressed out. I guess it all boils down to genetics african americans have high blood pressure for the most part off gear then when they go on gear it gets out of hand and liver values also get out of hand. I know you think I use narcotics but I do not use mor than xanax wich is a not really a narcotic schedule 4 barely making it a narcotic and oxycodone when my back discs flare up. I am muslim I do not use stret drugs. I just cannot believe guys use tren for 6 months to a year and do not have any side effects like high blood pressure,insomnia or elevation of liver values. dianabol is known to give people high blood pressure would you rate trenbolone les side effect free than dianabol tabs or injectable version. Like I said also there are alot of people who use legit HGH but still get trensomnia. Ronnie coleman would get trensomnia major night owl. You must have gotten lucky and got some good genetcis with all that gear and to have those blood pressure numbers.
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how long before tren turns oyu into a monster, every one at gym tells me im getting huge but i want to feel like a freak, im on 140 daily now and starting sd as of today, only on 100mg of prop daily. how long before tren makes me a god. bwahaha
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how long before tren turns oyu into a monster, every one at gym tells me im getting huge but i want to feel like a freak, im on 140 daily now and starting sd as of today, only on 100mg of prop daily. how long before tren makes me a god. bwahaha
you wont,, you will only get thicker and denser,, freak come only with human growth hormone in blood
gh15 approved
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whats the lowest amount of gh i can run to create the freak affect
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as i said to flinston before,, he suffer from estrogenic geneticaly of jew heritage,, dont recomend him higher doses testosterona it wont work for him ,, he come to the table with higher bodyfat in the 12% probably maybe even more... so what he need is
trenbolona ace
hgh
minimal testosterona
this is it
what i woudl do if i were flinston is as foloow
5 vials of tri blends from top chefs 50 50 50
5 vials of trenbolona ace 100
2 kits of growth hormone ,, legit growth hormone
masterona will be your anti estrogen compiound its part of the tri blend so avoid any other balonie
you do the follow
every second day 1 ml of tri blend into blood with extra .5-1 ml of the trenbolona ace added to the same syrnge bringing total of trenbolona to higher level while keeping testosterona in the 50...masterona in the 50...
you do this every second day
while you do this OR BEFORE HAND ....4-6 iu of growth hormone
that is it! you preferable prime body with the growth! do it for the duration fo the 2 kit upon middle kit 2 start your cycle of aas....do it mayeb even add another kit of gh with the aas cycle and maybe even one more later on to follow,, then you drop gh and stay with same aas in blood for another 6 week
this wil put you 190-200lb 6% ,, this is a fitness level cycle and most fitness felas are on it ,, it will lean your face it will get you to be sagi kalev ,, maybe not his muscle mesurements diameter because you are a kido still ,, but you wil b epretty damn close as we call it on the way ,, he got good 20 years on you almost,, so it will take few years to get there but you will be on the way
good luck ,, and dont listen to posting above ,, you are jew it is diff approach with jews
keep testosterona to 200-300 mg intitialy as part of the tri blend ....then after you are done afetr 6 months....when you are 190 6% or 200 6% ...then!!! put it into 1000mg a week testosterona high drive with higher doses hgh to blow up from within into the 220s
gh15 approved
thank you so much gh15!
I have a scrypt for american pharma test myself that is enough for 200mg a week year round....and my dad lets me borrow his scrypt too if I get good grades when I enroll in college so that is 400mg watson year round 8)... so I will do 2cc's of watson for rest of my life so 400mg testo. No more test for me I guess.
I will take your advice on low carbs.. I just got chocolate brownie sunday ( lava one) from steakhouse since I know you reccomended it 8). Off for chirashi bowl, no sticky rice.
At the end of my last cycle (aka fuckload of test and a hefty dose of anapolon) I was 220 at a height of around 6 feet, full round delts, 17.5 inch arms, on a tiny structure. Fucking huge for a teenager let alone a Jew. I am NARROWER than Phil naturally but have made myself wide with just AAS.. you would be proud it was not no gh/slin bullshit like everyone does today.
I'm just as big and strong as kuclo was at 18 in fact if I had a time machine and he stood next to me at the end of my last cycle when he was 18... I would make him look like a pussy who never lifted weight in his life and he would cry his eyes out he got beat by a jew boy.. only difference is I dont look like half the bodybuilder he was I look like shit. Big shit yes but still shit lol.
also how do you know jews suffer from high estrogen? Only someone who worked with Jew before would know this lol have you? I had full blown gyno at 17 the moment I sniffed my first dbol.
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True but test is obviously much more androgenic and this is an important consideration when it comes to actual growth. Further, test is so versatile and I know I throw that word around a lot regarding test and tren (versatile) but it simply holds true and is what truly makes them the best steroids overall IMO.
good point arnold! IMO Schmoe is right in one regard, deca is a superior drug, within the therapeutic range. however at supraphysiological doses Deca does not have the potential of Test as Deca works through AR binding while test has powerful anti-glucocorticoid properties as well as AR binding. .
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The ONLY important thing is use a REAL stuff
is better use just few REAL stuff than a lot of shit stuff
So,the better way to be big? ALL you can have from the pharmacy!
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gh15, what protocols do you suggest for a complete beginner, only 1 year in the gym?
Only one year?you ask to gh15??please!!!Do squat for another 4 years and after start to think about protocols
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It really only takes 3 compounds to get massive if you have great genetics and a good foundation. I think those who wait till they are at least 20 years old even older can build a great foundation then when you throw in these compounds you will blow up. I was 25 when i started so I had a great natural foundation definately couldn't get any bigger naturally.
1. some form of testosterone dosn't really matter wich one. Test is Test. weather its sust, test E Test Cyp, suspension,
2. HGH
3.insulin
you can build a insane physique with just these 3 compounds. sure you can get a little better with some Tren and deca. but I have seen miracles and records set with people just using Test,HGH and insulin.
You can build a GREAT physique what that regimen. I would add a 1a. to that list, being real EQ. Or tren. Or both (: I personally only run test by itself when cruising.