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Title: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 09:57:12 AM
First of all i do not trust any steroid forums besides this one since they all are sponsored and simply want sell more.

so anyways, i am blasting and cruising till the day i die, but still unsure about the exact amount of hcg i should use to keep me fertile for when i want kids later on.

thanks for your time and help already.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
What is your dose on hrt? How much, how often, which type of test, your age? Important things to know before anyone can give you an answer. I do not take any HCG for my hrt.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
i am on 250 test e pw.

As far as i know you will get sterile over time when you do not come off, so hcg is needed throughout the year to be able to make them kiddos in some years.
but at what dose.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
i am on 250 test e pw.

As far as i know you will get sterile over time when you do not come off, so hcg is needed throughout the year to be able to make them kiddos in some years.
but at what dose.

Ok, I'll bite.....why are you on test therapy? Are you test levels low or are you doing the therapy all on your own without a doctor? just from your responses you should really do a lot of research before you start doing any test. IMHO
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
as i said in my main post, i am blasting and cruising till the day i die pretty much.
no doc prescribed trt/hrt
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:12:56 AM
as i said in my main post, i am blasting and cruising till the day i die pretty much.
no doc prescribed trt/hrt

Ok studly, gotcha. When you said you were blasting and crusing I figured you were talking in regards to gay bars. Good luck with your blasting and cruising till tomorrow when you die. Oh, and tell the kids I said daddy loves them for me.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:15:02 AM
Why suddenly so hostile  :-\
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:15:45 AM
Why suddenly to hostile  :-\

Sorry you don't know me. I am never hostile. I am just always a smart ass.  ;D
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:16:41 AM
please, if you have nothing to contribute do not post  <.<
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: local hero on September 13, 2011, 10:25:03 AM
why dont you quit bein a pussy and just take real doses, whats this 250mg per week, this isnt bodybuilding!!!
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Tito24 on September 13, 2011, 10:25:30 AM
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
why dont you quit bein a pussy and just take real doses, whats this 250mg per week, this isnt bodybuilding!!!

No that is not bodybuilding, that is BLASTING AND CRUISING. LOLOLOL
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:26:49 AM
why dont you quit bein a pussy and just take real doses, whats this 250mg per week, this isnt bodybuilding!!!
blasting and cruising involves: blasting AND cruising.
250 is simply my cruise dose.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
posted on getbig to get quality advise for once, and then you get people like gym rat...
awsome...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:28:13 AM
How the fuck did you come up with the screen name of snexer, do you a hair lip or cleft palate?
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:28:47 AM
blasting and cruising involves: blasting AND cruising.
250 is simply my cruise dose.

Blasting would be 260.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:29:48 AM
Why have you not been banned yet.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
posted on getbig to get quality advise for once, and then you get people like gym rat...
awsome...

I am getting the feeling you don't like me. I am here to help you skeezer, sneezer, squeezer or whatever your fucking name is.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:32:15 AM
Why have you not been banned yet.

Because normal men joke and give each other shit. Pussies like you cry and report people like me to the mods and then get laughed at. You definitley need some PCT, you are 99% estrogen.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
i did not ask for your childish nonsense, i asked for serious advise.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: local hero on September 13, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
ok snexer.... if you blast and cruise indefinatly, never comming off, your level will be fucked up for good, no amount of hcg will help..

ive got our lass preg whilest using,,, but i always have propper time off too, luckily i built a real base before i ever started, so i dont look like a 10 yr old when i come off,,,,

hope this helps...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:35:35 AM
ok snexer.... if you blast and cruise indefinatly, never comming off, your level will be fucked up for good, no amount of hcg will help..

ive got our lass preg whilest using,,, but i always have propper time off too, luckily i built a real base before i ever started, so i dont look like a 10 yr old when i come off,,,,

hope this helps...

I was just getting ready to reply the exact same thing. I wanted to be helpful and you beat me to it.  ;D
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
i know my test levels will be fucked, i do not care about my natural production. however fertility is an issue since i want to be a father one day.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: local hero on September 13, 2011, 10:37:33 AM
so youl get her synthetically pregnant?,, pls, you cant be so daft
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:38:49 AM
so youl get her synthetically pregnant?,, pls, you cant be so daft

See what I mean local. And to think he wants to procreate. God I hope I am dead before that happens.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
as far as i know you will go pretty sterile once you have been on a couple of years, and hcg can prevent going completely sterile.
so i want to know what dose is recommended.

they say on most forums 500iu, but i have 0 trust in them since they are sponsored.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: local hero on September 13, 2011, 10:43:26 AM
u want to keep your sterility... come off!


have a few good month on, take the winter off,if you have the money run some gh in the off time if you have mental issues with being clean....

 or make some sperm donations, dont put your hopes in hcg, have some sense man!!!
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:44:34 AM
u want to keep your sterility... come off!


have a few good month on, take the winter off,if you have the money run some gh in the off time if you have mental issues with being clean....

 or make some sperm donations, dont put your hopes in hcg, have some sense man!!!


Well that is a gimmee.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
pretty much all pros still have kids, even after there 40's. and hcg should keep you fertile so i do not see the problem :/
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: local hero on September 13, 2011, 10:45:42 AM
Well that is a gimmee.

ha ha
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
pretty much all pros still have kids, even after there 40's. and hcg should keep you fertile so i do not see the problem :/

Dude you seem to know it all so why ask. Even when a seasoned competitor tries to help you out you still respond like a 12 year old. Take his advice. If you can't read and comprehend have mommy read it to you......that is as soon as she is done cleaning my ass hole. Sorry couldn't resist.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 13, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
I wouldn't call this thread hostile or agressive, but I like to contribute a pic anyway...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
I wouldn't call this thread hostile or agressive, but I like to contribute a pic anyway...

I wish I had hair like that.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 13, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
I have. Well I could have.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: gym**rat on September 13, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
Hey dutch, your a doctor. Would you mind answering skeezer's original question please. I want to make sure he has kids, because that is the type of guy I am.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 13, 2011, 11:19:05 AM
I'm not completely sure, but I guess you should only consider taking HCG (FSH) when you want to fertilise and the spermcounts are too low. It stimulates testosterone inside the cells which is needed for sperms...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
thank you for the advise, so far i have heard that if you do not use hcg while forever on you will turn sterile. so this is false, and the only use for hcg while on is cosmetic for me?
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: ManBearPig... on September 13, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
I'm not completely sure, but I guess you should only consider taking HCG (FSH) when you want to fertilise and the spermcounts are too low. It stimulates testosterone inside the cells which is needed for sperms...

have you dabbled in anabolics?
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Game Time on September 13, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
Brutal advice going on here. I'm in the same scenario as szenase. I want kids at some point but I want to stay on TRT year round. Where I differ from sneezer is I legit need TRT, test is prescribed. My doc is useless tho, he is convinced I don't need HCG and advises me to take a "testosterone vacation" every 3 years...

GH15 speak on this!
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
what he says.
i would like to know what god says about it.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Man of Steel on September 13, 2011, 12:28:44 PM
i did not ask for your childish nonsense, i asked for serious advise.

Fair enough.....don't use drugs.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: maxkane69 on September 13, 2011, 01:28:08 PM
i know my test levels will be fucked, i do not care about my natural production. however fertility is an issue since i want to be a father one day.

Do you realize that in the way you will need to inject testosterone for the rest of your life just to be able to have an erection and fuck your girlfriend!
Are you looking being slave of the siringe just to make love with sameone you like?
Do you realize that the day you will stop injecting testosterone for whatever reason you'll look like Tom Prince off juice with the balls size of peneauts?
Think twice before you choose to be on test for the rest of your life!
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: chris-a on September 13, 2011, 02:12:13 PM
1000iu e5d...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 13, 2011, 02:39:39 PM
Do you realize that in the way you will need to inject testosterone for the rest of your life just to be able to have an erection and fuck your girlfriend!
Are you looking being slave of the siringe just to make love with sameone you like?
Do you realize that the day you will stop injecting testosterone for whatever reason you'll look like Tom Prince off juice with the balls size of peneauts?
Think twice before you choose to be on test for the rest of your life!
yeah i do realize that, but there is no reason to stop, i will need trt probably anyways past 38 maybe 40.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: deadz on September 13, 2011, 02:51:06 PM
as far as i know you will go pretty sterile once you have been on a couple of years, and hcg can prevent going completely sterile.
so i want to know what dose is recommended.

they say on most forums 500iu, but i have 0 trust in them since they are sponsored.
You are clueless.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: subseven on September 13, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
Hey dutch, your a doctor. Would you mind answering skeezer's original question please. I want to make sure he has kids, because that is the type of guy I am.

You come across as mentally retarded. Did you know that?
I understand your burning desire to be funny and gain the approval of other posters here; but if you cannot think of something witty just don't post. Your messages are a mere collection of senseless babbling really...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: deceiver on September 13, 2011, 03:29:56 PM
Do you realize that in the way you will need to inject testosterone for the rest of your life just to be able to have an erection and fuck your girlfriend!
Are you looking being slave of the siringe just to make love with sameone you like?
Do you realize that the day you will stop injecting testosterone for whatever reason you'll look like Tom Prince off juice with the balls size of peneauts?
Think twice before you choose to be on test for the rest of your life!

Wow, what about living with test levels close to bottom range at 21 years old? Thats my case. So either I accept the fact that I'm naturally lazy, have low libido etc. or go on HRT. My test levels aint gonna improve with years especially that I use anabolics. I guess it's gonna fall below normal range until I'm 30. My father got issues like that as well.

So it's a choice between fertility and going through your life at 50% or having to inject test for the rest of your life, risk of infertility and living 100%.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Game Time on September 13, 2011, 06:29:30 PM
bump
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Theoak* on September 13, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
2000iu-2500iu EOD for 10shots.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: maxkane69 on September 13, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
yeah i do realize that, but there is no reason to stop, i will need trt probably anyways past 38 maybe 40.


Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60! ;D
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 14, 2011, 01:09:51 AM
Wow, what about living with test levels close to bottom range at 21 years old? Thats my case. So either I accept the fact that I'm naturally lazy, have low libido etc. or go on HRT. My test levels aint gonna improve with years especially that I use anabolics. I guess it's gonna fall below normal range until I'm 30. My father got issues like that as well.

So it's a choice between fertility and going through your life at 50% or having to inject test for the rest of your life, risk of infertility and living 100%.
so far from what i have heard from dutch, most of the times it is reversible.
look at pros, abusers like no others, and yet ronnie has 5 kids, arnolds just got another one which he didn't plan.
more then enough have children.

of course there are exceptions
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 14, 2011, 01:10:52 AM
Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60! ;D
well....i do...
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Tapeworm on September 14, 2011, 01:59:01 AM
T makes your nads atrophy because they don't get LH & FSH from the pituitary.  So you take HCG or HMG.  Even if it keeps your nads happy long term, which isn't at all certain, what happens to the pituitary?  Does it atrophy?  Do concomitant pituitary issues arise or other endo dramas?

It's not a simple matter of one drug making a hole and another drug plugging it.  You're fucking with the balance of a system.  If that's your choice, fine, but at least talk to some endos and make an informed decision based on more than "Luv juice" in the Pros column and a question mark under Cons.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: deceiver on September 14, 2011, 02:06:27 AM
Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60! ;D

rofl, I had low testosterone arleady before taking drugs. Lifestyle does help, but if you're fucked then you're fucked.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Meso_z on September 14, 2011, 02:22:26 AM
How can you figure out if your spermcount is low?

From volume, colour..thickness of it ?

serious question.

Mine always changes.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Meso_z on September 14, 2011, 02:23:18 AM
Personally I do 1500iu e3d-e4d every couple months for like 4 weeks,
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 14, 2011, 02:40:42 AM
How can you figure out if your spermcount is low?

From volume, colour..thickness of it ?

serious question.

Mine always changes.
ball size and volume of a load is simply an indicator how how much you got left. to know what your spermcount is you need to go to the doc for that
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: DK II on September 14, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
Bullshit a man who take care of himself by eating healty,do not take hormone or recreational drugs,do not abuse alcool and exercise regurarly will never need TRT past 38 or 40!
I might add that an healthy man would never need TRT even in their later years!
In the past plenty of man have fathered children with younger woman after 60!
Problem would be to find a younger woman that want to have sex when you are 60! ;D

What has the one to do with the other, you can father children with close to no test if you are lucky.

But your life will be much better on higher doses of test.

Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: WillGrant on September 14, 2011, 04:41:18 AM
Up the dose
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 14, 2011, 04:56:04 AM
What has the one to do with the other, you can father children with close to no test if you are lucky.

But your life will be much better on higher doses of test.


so basicly 99% of the time you can be on gear for ages, run some hcg to maintain ball size for cosmetic purposes, and as soon as you want to pass on your godly genes you just blast quite a lot hcg and get your wife into a 9 month bulking phase.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: DK II on September 14, 2011, 04:59:29 AM
so basicly 99% of the time you can be on gear for ages, run some hcg to maintain ball size for cosmetic purposes, and as soon as you want to pass on your godly genes you just blast quite a lot hcg and get your wife into a 9 month bulking phase.

There are so many men that got their wives/gf pregnant while on, some even on higher doses.

Testosterone has been tested as a contraceptive for decades, and it always failed.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: snexer on September 14, 2011, 05:03:12 AM
There are so many men that got their wives/gf pregnant while on, some even on higher doses.

Testosterone has been tested as a contraceptive for decades, and it always failed.
it is not contraceptive, but it reduces the chance ^^
however there has not been done one study on a long timeline like 10 years.
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: maxkane69 on September 14, 2011, 11:50:22 AM
well....i do...
Listen snexer,before taking a lifetime commitment to the siringe I would find out what kind of damage you have done to your testes ,because maybe you did not damage them at all (few cycles do not compromise the health of your balls permanently)
The way to know that is the following:
1-Get off of Hormone for at least 6 month
2-Follow balanced diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables,make sure to include whole eggs daily and red meat at least 3 time a week(you need   cholesterol from that food in order to produce natural testosterone)
3-Follow a weight training program that include compound movement (squat is the best exercise you can do if you do not have lower back problem, many people think that raises natural testosterone)
4-Follow a cardio program that include running at least 3 time a week
5-Do not overtrain
6-Do not abuse alcool and do not take any recreational drugs or prescription drugs
7- try to have a stress free lifestile as much you can
After 6 month of this healthy lifestile go to your doctor and get a blood work that check your free testosterone and total testosterone and if your testosterone level is in the normal range for sameone of your age means that you did not damage your sexual organ and you do not need any TRT!
If instead your testosterone is way below the normal limit I would take in consideration TRT according to what the doctor prescribe.
Good luck!
Title: Re: HCG use while on trt, advise needed.
Post by: Game Time on September 15, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
Does anyone known of dudes who were left by their wife bc they juiced for yrs on end and couldnt have kids?