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"What He Said Is Completely Uncontroversial"
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It's amazing to me that the only person who seems to talk with some sense gets booed.
Wow, we are so fucked.
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LOL that you can have True Adonis one day saying that he agrees with Ron Paul on this issue of why they hate us and our presence there leading to greater danger for America
AND THE VERY NEXT DAY say that we need our troops all over the middle east to keep the muslims in line.
Simply mindboggling.
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Yeah it's bizzaro. I think I am becoming a isolationists of sorts in the last few months. Lol.
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Yeah it's bizzaro. I think I am becoming a isolationists non-interventionist of sorts in the last few months. Lol.
Fixed ;)
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yea, I always kinda cringe a bit when isolationist is mentioned around Ron Paul. It's such a dirty word lol... And it's not true of Ron Paul's beliefs. He's extremely open to trade, diplomacy, working with other countries and if people read what he says, Paul would send troops off to war in a heartbeat, so long as there is a declaration of war by congress and there is a clear threat to national security. I'm not sure why that's such a hard thing to ask for lol... Some act like he'll disband the military and let the world do whatever it wants without even addressing it. None of that nonsense can be found in what Paul has said.
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Fixed ;)
;D.
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LOL that you can have True Adonis one day saying that he agrees with Ron Paul on this issue of why they hate us and our presence there leading to greater danger for America
AND THE VERY NEXT DAY say that we need our troops all over the middle east to keep the muslims in line.
Simply mindboggling.
Pandora`s box is open already. Now we have to contain it. I hope this helps.
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Pandora`s box is open already. Now we have to contain it. I hope this helps.
Why do we keep opening other boxes up then?
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Why do we keep opening other boxes up then?
LOL
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It is the fox news crowd brainwashed by chicken hawks Hannity and O'reilly that simply cannot understand history and our foreign policy over the past 60 years. Their ignorance and blind allegiance to the Bush/Cheney camp (also chicken hawks) is killing this country.
I can't stand Cheney, draft dodging piece of garbage becomes a tough guy all of a sudden after he is 50 years old and can't serve.
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LOL that you can have True Adonis one day saying that he agrees with Ron Paul on this issue of why they hate us and our presence there leading to greater danger for America
AND THE VERY NEXT DAY say that we need our troops all over the middle east to keep the muslims in line.
Simply mindboggling.
True Adonis and 333386 are threatened by Ron Paul. TA is trolling all the Ron Paul threads to do his part in discouraging any new Ron Paul supporters, because TA knows Ron Paul can beat Obama. TA is an Obama fan boy.
333386 already said that if Ron Paul loses the primaries and decides to run as Independent, Paul could then spoil the elections and indirectly help Obama win. Something tells me that 333386 does not want Obama to win. :)
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Loco, you think Ron Paul can beat Obama?
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Loco, you think Ron Paul can beat Obama?
Yes, I do. Actually, I think 333386 is right in that unless something good happens to the USA really soon, anybody or anything can beat Obama. When things are going as bad as they are in the USA right now, the people tend to blame El Presidente, whether it's his fault or not.
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Yes, I do. Actually, I think 333386 is right in that unless something good happens to the USA really soon, anybody or anything can beat Obama. When things are going as bad as they are in the USA right now, the people tend to blame El Presidente, whether or not is his fault.
The thing is, I dont see how RP can win the primary.
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The thing is, I dont see how RP can win the primary.
RP is swimming against the current, not bowing to corporations and not going along with the usual crap. It will be tough, but he can win. Anything is possible.
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RP is swimming against the current, not bowing to corporations and not going along with the usual crap. It will be tough, but he can win. Anything is possible.
I think he has got to find a way to capture the popular vote. He must find a way to relate and speak to all Americans on the basis of reform in our government. Get people marching, protesting etc.
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I think he has got to find a way to capture the popular vote. He must find a way to relate and speak to all Americans on the basis of reform in our government. Get people marching, protesting etc.
Do you want RP to win? :)
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Do you want RP to win? :)
I think we need change in a big way, and i think he might just be the person to start it. But i have to be realistic about his chances.
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I think we need change in a big way, and i think he might just be the person to start it. But i have to be realistic about his chances.
Who you vote for in the primaries is your business, but if more people who feel the way that you do would just vote for RP, then I believe that he would win for sure.
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I think he has got to find a way to capture the popular vote. He must find a way to relate and speak to all Americans on the basis of reform in our government. Get people marching, protesting etc.
He is a polarizing figure with no support from Congress and has a crappy track record when it comes to passing any legislation. I don`t think that will play too well with those who are tired of an inept government.
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Oh please. We are not responsible for evil acts of terrorists. They are.
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Oh please. We are not responsible for evil acts of terrorists. They are.
Why don't you try reading the pentagon report that RP got his information from. You think he just pulled those statements out his ass? ::)
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Why don't you try reading the pentagon report that RP got his information from. You think he just pulled those statements out his ass? ::)
No. I just think he's wrong. There are lots of people who have spent time in the Middle East and read about what makes terrorists tick who know that they (terrorists) are twisted. We could pull every boot from the Middle East and they'd still be trying to kill us.
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No. I just think he's wrong. There are lots of people who have spent time in the Middle East and read about what makes terrorists tick who know that they (terrorists) are twisted. We could pull every boot from the Middle East and they'd still be trying to kill us.
He's quoting a pentagon report. So you're saying the Pentagon report is wrong. Michael Scheuer former head of the bin laden unit is wrong too ?
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He's quoting a pentagon report. So you're saying the Pentagon report is wrong then?
Yes, he is.
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He's quoting a pentagon report. So you're saying the Pentagon report is wrong then? Michael Scheuer former head of the bin laden unit is wrong too ?
I don't know. Post the specific portion of the report you're talking about and I'll tell you whether or not I agree with it.
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I don't know. Post the specific portion of the report you're talking about and I'll tell you whether or not I agree with it.
I have this one, Im looking for another one as well. I'll post it as soon as I find it.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA428770.pdf
On page 40.
By the way. I don't think I ever said that all attacks by fanatics would end if we withdrew troops but what I do strongly believe is that the situation is worsened by having troops over there. I think there are much more effective ways of handling these threats then the methods we use now.
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Im still looking for that other report but here are some agents that ststae what RP has been saying as well.
"There are a lot of things that are different now, and one that has gone by almost unnoticed--but it's huge--is that by complete mutual agreement between the U.S. and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina." - Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, May 2003
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Yes because what the world needs is more Muslim apologists. ::)
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Stephen Kinzer explains how American forign policy helps perpetuate the problems we face today.
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Stephen Kinzer explains how American forign policy helps perpetuate the problems we face today.
I find it amusing that you Paultards are jsut now "discovering" all of this. Old news and now that we are here, we must deal with it. Letting the Muslims and terrorists do whatever they want is not the solution.
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Letting the Muslims and terrorists do whatever they want is not the solution.
Yeah, that's my problem with RP and his followers with this nonsense argument.
If you want to argue that we shouldn't be in Saudi Arabia because we shouldn't have bases all over the world, or cost, or it goes against the principles of our country, etc., then fine.
If you want to argue that we shouldn't be in Saudi Arabia because some shitbag terrorist doesn't approve and told us to leave, GMAFB.
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I have this one, Im looking for another one as well. I'll post it as soon as I find it.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA428770.pdf
On page 40.
By the way. I don't think I ever said that all attacks by fanatics would end if we withdrew troops but what I do strongly believe is that the situation is worsened by having troops over there. I think there are much more effective ways of handling these threats then the methods we use now.
Thanks. I agree in part, disagree in part. I don't agree that our "policies" are the root cause of violence by Radical Islam. They hate our military presence, support for Israel, and our culture. You should read up on Sayyid Qutb and what he had to say about American society.
The part I agree with is our presence in the Middle East and support for Israel do a play a role in why they hate and attack us. It is a factor.
But at the end of the day, the responsibility for a terrorist attack lies solely with the evil people who murder civilians.
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the problem for the blame America always crowd ih 700 years of history.
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Stephen Kinzer explains how American forign policy helps perpetuate the problems we face today.
I hope this helps.
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I find it amusing that you Paultards are jsut now "discovering" all of this. Old news and now that we are here, we must deal with it. Letting the Muslims and terrorists do whatever they want is not the solution.
Who said anything about letting terrorists do whatever they want jack ass?
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I hope this helps.
TA, excellent video! This lady is very eloquent and educated. Did you watch the video at all? She concludes that the solution to radical Muslims is to offer them a "better" idea, "Christianity."
Why would an anti-Christian like you post something like this? Oh, that's right, you are trolling Ron Paul threads. :)
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But at the end of the day, the responsibility for a terrorist attack lies solely with the evil people who murder civilians.
I don't agree with the methods but it's hardly surprising.
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TA, excellent video! This lady is very eloquent and educated. Did you watch the video at all? She concludes that the solution to radical Muslims is to offer them a "better" idea, "Christianity."
Why would an anti-Christian like you post something like this? Oh, that's right, you are trolling Ron Paul threads. :)
Lol , man RP really gets him going. He probably doesn't spend this much time and effort on his (imaginary) girlfriend.
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TA, excellent video! This lady is very eloquent and educated. Did you watch the video at all? She concludes that the solution to radical Muslims is to offer them a "better" idea, "Christianity."
Why would an anti-Christian like you post something like this? Oh, that's right, you are trolling Ron Paul threads. :)
Uh,
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a staunch Atheist. I hope this helps.
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Uh,
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a staunch Atheist. I hope this helps.
I don't know what she is, but she clearly said "Atheism" is not a "better" idea than Radial Islam, but "Christianity" is. That's what she said. Watch the video.
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I don't know what she is, but she clearly said "Atheism" is not a "better" idea than Radial Islam, but "Christianity" is. That's what she said. Watch the video.
I did. And she repeated Exactly what she says here at 4:50 That Muslims should be presented with alternatives, PREFERABLY Atheism.
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I did. And she repeated Exactly what she says here at 4:50 That Muslims should be presented with alternatives, PREFERABLY Atheism.
Did you catch the part where she talks about Micheal Jackson? I totally disagree.
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I did. And she repeated Exactly what she says here at 4:50 That Muslims should be presented with alternatives, PREFERABLY Atheism.
No, watch and listen again at 55:03. She says "My Atheism is not as powerful as the other idea that appealed to them[ex Muslims], Christianity."
Watch and listen at 5:00. She says that Christian proselytizing is good and that we need Christians to do more of it to compete with the jihadists.