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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alpine on September 17, 2011, 03:50:24 PM
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I'm not anti-Jay by any means. I'm about as impartial as they come in terms of who should win, Phil, Kai, whatever. There is no doubt Jay has been a great ambassador for the sport. Much more so than someone like Kai would be. But I think its clear that Jay was most definitely OFF. His body looks tired and is not responding like it used to. The abnormal peak in his double bi leads me to believe that the discoloration "might" have to do with some last minute local injection of synthol gone wrong. Perhaps he nicked a vein and it bled out a bit. The pattern does not look like what a true prior tear/strain causing bruising would resemble. Further, its much too high up on the bicep itself, it usually ends up lower at the joint. You would see residual blood discoloration in the lower forearm as gravity pulled it away (down) from the source (particularly that long ago). This is conspicuously absent in Jay. His left bicep and delt were probably slightly smaller due to some nerve damage issues and he was trying to compensate.
Pics from Prejudging
Discoloration/Bruising
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190384.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190385.jpg)
Notice the difference in Bicep Peak
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190392.jpg)
Here, the left shoulder clearly disproportional.
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190389.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190389.jpg)
It's a poor showing. If he places too high it will make a mockery of the Olympia and the judging process. Say what you want about Jay, but he does not deserve to go out like this - surrounded in controversy with one of his worst showings. If he places low he will make a comeback but may never regain the thrown. This is still better than being given a political gift and finishing his career surrounded with controversy. He's in bad enough shape that I dont even think they can give this one to him. Phil Heath does look amazing. He has that FRESH look to the muscle that the older pro's lose (even Coleman began too) and amazingly round muscle bellies - a true genetic advantage over almost everyone.
Update: Hany Rombod on Jay's "tear" @ 2:46 http://www.flexonline.com/news/olympia/interview-dennis-james-and-hany-rambod I have to admit, Hany Rambod did a REALLY good job of Damage Control on this. He sounds extremely convincing. Nonetheless, his "guru" speak cant cure the front double bi where Jay's left bi peak is clearly unnatural looking. He may have used synthol to help compensate and balance it out if he truly did partially tear it. Ramrod says 2 weeks ago, Jay says 3. Generally, a damage control plan involves the SAME STORY.
The reason Jay was kissing Phil's ass so long ago was because he recognized the amazingly superior genetic gift he has and knew it was just a matter of time before he took over. Anyone with an eye knew his time was coming. Genetics + Androgens = champions. The training and diet are mere minutia these days. For the most part, they are all doing the same thing.
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left shoulder and bicep are done, and he has piss poor generics. there's no comeback for him. but as i said, if he improves tonight, they'll sneak him one for the road.
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I never used to believe people on getbig when they were saying that the reasons why there werent any striation in Jay's biceps was because of oil injections...
Now I believe you guys!
His right shows injection marks as well..its just not bruised.
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what a fucking mess.
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Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. :-\
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Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. :-\
It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.
THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.
Biceps strain. End of story.
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piss poor physique look at that waiste...
if i was a top 10 olympian and the placed that above me... id retire....
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Dorian Yates stated that he will personally start an English soccer-hooligan style riot if Phil Heath does not win tonight. ;D
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Dorian Yates stated that he will personally start an English soccer-hooligan style riot if Phil Heath does not win tonight. ;D
ha ha :D
"throwing chairs around... English soccer hooligan style" that cracked me up
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It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.
THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.
Biceps strain. End of story.
Sarcasm noted. You're right, we're just soft, blubbery schmoes sitting at home speculating in the warm glow of our computer monitors. Even if that discoloration is from a 3 week old bicep strain bleed out (physiologically unlikely based on the dissipation & drain pattern), the double bi shot on its own still shows what "seems" to be some clear synthol use. It's no secret all pros use it from time to time to compensate for imbalance or injury. Clearly, his left delt/bi may have been lagging due to some nerve damage.
We have Hernon saying early on it was a shoulder issue. Jay then said it was a biceps STRAIN, 3 weeks ago. Hany said it was a biceps TEAR, 2 weeks ago. Hany's damage control was the best but they need to get their shit straight.
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190384.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/190392.jpg)
Classic Bicep injury bruising patterns
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/02/08/12720532/gallerypic/3192731e.jpg)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/members-photos/7613d1142638261-here-pic-my-torn-bicep-111823060_37b503be2f.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/6/7/674f1-inj_pic_2_5_31_08_002.jpg)
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To keep it in perspective, tons of pros have fucked up and been seen in competition with bad synthol injections.
Here is the potential 202 King himself, Kevin English
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Flex
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/SxAclupaECI/AAAAAAAAmUw/mB5iQn5mSh8/s400/victims_of_synthol_48.jpg)
Nasser - Wizard of truth and rear delt injections
(http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/attachments/bodybuilding-discussion/2709d1142252933-pros-do-you-think-have-used-synthol-36.jpg)
LUL - for good measure
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/SxAcwqq2NiI/AAAAAAAAmVY/sYZqLx6bNpU/s400/victims_of_synthol_43.jpg)
Yes, this is our "sport."
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Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. :-\
Yeah and excatly 2 weeks after it happens.
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It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.
THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.
Biceps strain. End of story.
Yeah we need to believe these pro bodybuilders when they say they got all their mass from Muscle Tech and Super Pump Max!
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in the old days, the magazines would have worked with a BBer's "team" to compose a story about exactly what happened to that arm. MAYBE some evidence would emerge to counter it, but the official story would be the official story.
Imagine if Vince Taylor's "eyeball" incident had happened today?
You know, he was at the show with eye patch, claiming luggage strap hit him in the eye getting off plane. Only later did a pic emerge showing him getting off the plane laughing and certainly without an eye injury. Whether Vince really hurt his eye elsewhere later, or just wore the patch cause he missed his peak and got 6th at the O instead of 1st (helsinki 92, right?)...
Well, whatever really happened, we know his story was bullshit. If it happened today, I don't think he'd tell such a fib. Jay's casual lie has spurned polls all over his home base of MD saying "why is he lying about his shot, does he think we're stupid".
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he's still young yet to peak. lot's of improvement to make
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He looks terrible...Ohhhh wait, "It's Men in Thongs week" :D
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in the old days, the magazines would have worked with a BBer's "team" to compose a story about exactly what happened to that arm. MAYBE some evidence would emerge to counter it, but the official story would be the official story.
Imagine if Vince Taylor's "eyeball" incident had happened today?
You know, he was at the show with eye patch, claiming luggage strap hit him in the eye getting off plane. Only later did a pic emerge showing him getting off the plane laughing and certainly without an eye injury. Whether Vince really hurt his eye elsewhere later, or just wore the patch cause he missed his peak and got 6th at the O instead of 1st (helsinki 92, right?)...
Well, whatever really happened, we know his story was bullshit. If it happened today, I don't think he'd tell such a fib. Jay's casual lie has spurned polls all over his home base of MD saying "why is he lying about his shot, does he think we're stupid".
In the old days, the mags were 2-3 months behind contests with their reports, so the truth would come out by the time they had the contest coverage, like with Dorian during the 94 and 97 Olympia, for example.
I'm guessing Jay won't tell us what really happened until after the Olympia, since he probably doesn't want it to affect his placing or the way judges see him now.
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He looks terrible...Ohhhh wait, "It's Men in Thongs week" :D
Haha what's with your personal text? ;D
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Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. :-\
Seriously I rolled my ankle last year and it turned my foot purple, with that kind of stuff it ain't the injury that causes the problems it's the insane amount of swelling that goes along with it. Trust me jays iceing that thing like there's no tomorrow like he wasn't already told he won.
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Something is fishy here. Sherlock SF1900 is on the move and is going to figure this out. I am going to go undercover as the ultimate schmoe to get insider information about this supposed bicep "tear"
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It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.
THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.
Biceps strain. End of story.
Well, if its been verified by an IFBB pro, case closed ;)
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how can it be a strain, the peak is higher
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Haha what's with your personal text? ;D
What i am saying is, if i knew you or Mr. Nobody killed someone, i would not turn you in. :D
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Seriously I rolled my ankle last year and it turned my foot purple, with that kind of stuff it ain't the injury that causes the problems it's the insane amount of swelling that goes along with it. Trust me jays iceing that thing like there's no tomorrow like he wasn't already told he won.
Generally, I would have agreed with you that even as amazing as Phil and some of the others look, Jay would have recieved a gift. However, I think hes just too off this time. He has other issues besides the bruising in the bi. The bi issue alone is REALLY a distraction and is going to cause a lot of talking and controversy. I think it will be hard for judging to overlook.
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ha ha :D
"throwing chairs around... English soccer hooligan style" that cracked me up
video link??
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video link??
Dorian @ http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/11-mr-olympia/3604-jay-cutler-interview-after-prejudging-and-wrap-up-with-ray-yates-wheeler-wolf-and-victor.html
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I cant wait to see the cool video feature they show of Cutler next!
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I cant wait to see the cool video feature they show of Cutler next!
I just got off the phone with Hany Rambod. Jay tore his bicep lifting a 250lb dumbell for a Schiek photoshoot.
(http://www.bodydynamix.net.au/images/Schiek.jpg)
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I just got off the phone with Hany Rambod. Jay tore his bicep lifting a 250lb dumbell for a Schiek photoshoot.
(http://www.bodydynamix.net.au/images/Schiek.jpg)
mystery solved!
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My predictions...
1) Heath
2) Jay (Kai)
3) Kai (Jay)
4) Vic (could be his all time best, def best since 2007)
5) Wolf
6) Dexter (he looked bad tonight, getting old, just had no "pop", not as sharp)
Jay BLEW it this year but he had tightened up a bit since prejudging. Still, he could slip to third. Oddly enough, the "strange" left bicep almost looked bigger (skin seemed tighter) and fuller than it did in prejudging, need to see still shots.
In other news, I ate 3000 calories of Papa Johns while performing my in depth Olympia coverage and analysis. I think my Dog got loose and ran away too but I really couldn't be bothered with that tonight.
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Standing relaxed, fair arguement for a bruise because of the discolouration. Hitting a front double biceps, clearly synthol/SEO injection because of the changing shape in his biceps. No bruise changes your biceps shape like that. A tear can give it more of a peak due to the muscle shortening but it looks too full to be torn. My guess is that when it came to crunch time, he got scared by Phil's freaky arms and tried something different. It worked as far as the changing shape but it left a clear synthol/SEO dark discolouration (that we've all seen on various pros) that may end up costing him the competition.
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My predictions...
1) Heath
2) Jay (Kai)
3) Kai (Jay)
4) Vic (could be his all time best, def best since 2007)
5) Wolf
6) Dexter (he looked bad tonight, getting old, just had no "pop", not as sharp)
Jay BLEW it this year but he had tightened up a bit since prejudging. Still, he could slip to third. Oddly enough, the "strange" left bicep almost looked bigger (skin seemed tighter) and fuller than it did in prejudging, need to see still shots.
In other news, I ate 3000 calories of Papa Johns while performing my in depth Olympia coverage and analysis. I think my Dog got loose and ran away too but I really couldn't be bothered with that tonight.
Called this SHIT. PROPHETIC. Kamali has nothing on my commentary.
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Now he looks like a fag
WTF
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racist post reported.
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He strained his hair about 3 weeks ago.
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He strained his hair about 3 weeks ago.
Obvious injection marks in his sideburns... ::)
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If his barber accidentally cuts him, it'll be another 17 days before he actually starts bleeding.
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If his barber accidentally cuts him, it'll be another 17 days before he actually starts bleeding.
hahaha lol, good one :D ;)
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was this the worst shape jay has ever brought to the stage? what about his loss to dexter in 08?.... were both just bad timing and wrong last minute adjustments... or that was the case in 08.. but now in 2011... it's just cutler's age and body breaking down?... don't know if this is the case though... i mean didn't jay look incredible just 2 weeks or so ago?....
has anyone questioned cutler has to why besides the messed up bicep everything else was off? waist... legs..... back.....
jay beat heath last year... so how much was jay off this year and how much did phil improve...
don't think cutler is done yet... i'm sure he wants to go out on top... besides, who wants the student beating the teacher as their last impression with the bb fans and bb world?!
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i think he was worse in 2007 and 2008 than this year.. his 2007 version may be his worst since he has become a top competitor!!..
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Poor Jay will never recover
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it the best time for him to retire..