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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: littleguns on September 18, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
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Seriously?
Last night a meeting of promoters, officials, and judges met to vote on important policy changes in bodybuilding, fitness, figure, and bikini. As a result of that meeting there will be a huge shake-up in the bodybuilding world. As of next year only the winners of pro shows will qualify to compete in the Olympia. That includes all divisions, and the only exceptions to this new rule are the Olympia and the Arnold Classic, in which the top three qualify. When I heard this, I figured that if the winner had already qualified in a previous contest the second place contestant must then qualify, right? Wrong. Only the winner qualifies, and if the winner already is, no one will be invited to the Olympia.
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Last night a meeting of promoters, officials, and judges met to vote on important policy changes in bodybuilding, fitness, figure, and bikini. As a result of that meeting there will be a huge shake-up in the bodybuilding world. As of next year only the winners of pro shows will qualify to compete in the Olympia. That includes all divisions, and the only exceptions to this new rule are the Olympia and the Arnold Classic, in which the top three qualify. When I heard this, I figured that if the winner had already qualified in a previous contest the second place contestant must then qualify, right? Wrong. Only the winner qualifies, and if the winner already is, no one will be invited to the Olympia.
I talked to Jay about this, and said the show is too damn long, its supposed to be prestigious and they let all he scrubs in. This is a good thing. Like in the 90s....This plus Phil winning is very good.
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Great rule change. It's good for the Olympia and even better for the circuit shows.
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So, last night there were 20-25 competitors for the O. With this new change, how many will there be?
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So, last night there were 20-25 competitors for the O. With this new change, how many will there be?
2012 Olympia will be just Jay and Phil.
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Great rule change. It's good for the Olympia and even better for the circuit shows.
This is key.
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2012 Olympia will be just Jay and Phil.
lol. Based on last night, I wouldnt be surprised if they did that.
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You understand why this happened right? Look at some of my old posts i explained it there but here is a.summary...less qualified for mr.o means more have to do circuit shows which mean better circuit shows and better olympia...good move.
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2012 Olympia will be just Jay and Phil.
What if Jay injuries himself 2 weeks out from the contest and shows up all bruised again?
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Good change!
Looks like these people in the IFBB can use their brains after all sometimes.
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Good change!
Looks like these people in the IFBB can use their brains after all sometimes.
It will be closer to the old days when there were 10 or so competitors at the O.
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It will be closer to the old days when there were 10 or so competitors at the O.
Ten is more than enough, even if it was only the best five, it would be great, plus it forces BBs to compete in other shows, and also maybe in more than one show per year.
Should shake things up a bit.
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From what I heard and not official until the IFBB says it is, the new rules begin JANUARY 1st for all IFBB contests...
So for the contests up until then, the old rules still apply - top three in each contest.
After January 1st, the only person that will qualify for the Olympia is the winner.
Personally, having the top 12-15 competitors on stage on each division is what the Olympia should be.
Having 23-29 competitors on stage is way too much. Obviously, some of them did not deserve to be up there, even if they did place 3rd or 4th on some contests.
Now, IF there are not enough competitors that are qualified to compete in the Olympia, the IFBB will reserve the right to issue special invites to the top competitors in the division (2nd places, etc) to make up for that.
This way, the best of the best are on that stage
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From what I heard and not official until the IFBB says it is, the new rules begin JANUARY 1st for all IFBB contests...
So for the contests up until then, the old rules still apply - top three in each contest.
After January 1st, the only person that will qualify for the Olympia is the winner.
Personally, having the top 12-15 competitors on stage on each division is what the Olympia should be.
Having 23-29 competitors on stage is way too much. Obviously, some of them did not deserve to be up there, even if they did place 3rd or 4th on some contests.
Now, IF there are not enough competitors that are qualified to compete in the Olympia, the IFBB will reserve the right to issue special invites to the top competitors in the division (2nd places, etc) to make up for that.
This way, the best of the best are on that stage
x2
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Imagine if Ronnie was still around; He would win every show through the year and be in Olympia by himself LOL ;D
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awesome
great rule
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From what I heard and not official until the IFBB says it is, the new rules begin JANUARY 1st for all IFBB contests...
So for the contests up until then, the old rules still apply - top three in each contest.
After January 1st, the only person that will qualify for the Olympia is the winner.
Personally, having the top 12-15 competitors on stage on each division is what the Olympia should be.
Having 23-29 competitors on stage is way too much. Obviously, some of them did not deserve to be up there, even if they did place 3rd or 4th on some contests.
Now, IF there are not enough competitors that are qualified to compete in the Olympia, the IFBB will reserve the right to issue special invites to the top competitors in the division (2nd places, etc) to make up for that.
This way, the best of the best are on that stage
very good rule, the final show on saturday is way too long.
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Could this also mean more prize money for N:O 1 ??? ???
Hope so.
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It's like the NPC... Look how big Nationals is now because every damn local show is a qualifier. The Olympia should be the best of the best. 16 guys would be perfect IMO. If you can't place top 16, don't be there.
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Imagine if Ronnie was still around; He would win every show through the year and be in Olympia by himself LOL ;D
I think the primary goal is to have no more than 12 on stage, maybe more for the men. The best of the best! If not enough competitors qualify, then special invites for the ones who earned the right to be up there (close second's to the winners, or even thirds).
At this Olympia, 29 Figure competitors, 28 Bikini competitors. The top 15 is considered the best of the best, in my opinion.
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I think the primary goal is to have no more than 12 on stage, maybe more for the men. The best of the best!
At this Olympia, 29 Figure competitors, 28 Bikini competitors. The top 15 is considered the best of the best, in my opinion.
yip, just what the O needs, more male bbers and less women. ::)
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I think the primary goal is to have no more than 12 on stage, maybe more for the men. The best of the best! If not enough competitors qualify, then special invites for the ones who earned the right to be up there (close second's to the winners, or even thirds).
At this Olympia, 29 Figure competitors, 28 Bikini competitors. The top 15 is considered the best of the best, in my opinion.
You're right, must agree.
So do you think this will increase the prize money as they have less competitors at the show?
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Hopefully some fucktards should learn how to be a seasoned professional, compete in multiple shows during the year in order to earn earn their place at the Mr. Olympia.. rather than staying out...hiding behind their sponsors, getting all fat and bloated and call it a "2 year offseason"...
*cough* Stalkerpani.
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You're right, must agree. So do you think this will increase the prize money as they have less competitors at the show?
Not sure? But it may, especially if there are less competitors.
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this new rule will force good competitors to compete pretty often
they will need to earn their money
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this new rule will force good competitors to compete pretty often
they will need to earn their money
About time..
only the best will compete at the O.
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If you choose to SKIP the Olympia, you should be banned the following year.
Nothing worse than a guy entering a rookie year show, getting the gift 3rd place, then skipping the O.
Would make the Arnold a lot bigger too - Branch vs. Kai vs. Cento next year, for example.
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If you choose to SKIP the Olympia, you should be banned the following year.
Nothing worse than a guy entering a rookie year show, getting the gift 3rd place, then skipping the O.
Would make the Arnold a lot bigger too - Branch vs. Kai vs. Cento next year, for example.
well I can see why they skip
people compete to win. If you know you will get 10th, why give a shit about that show.
I wouldn't compete at the national because I would place dead last, it's the same thing
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Nice rule change - but they should have thought of this 20 years ago.
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Nice rule change - but they should have thought of this 20 years ago.
The powers that be are very clever people...
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Nice rule change - but they should have thought of this 20 years ago.
It wasn't necessary 20 years ago, as there were only 8-10 pro shows a year...now there are close to 20. Also...the pros 20 years ago competed much more often than the pros of today...which is part of the problem when it comes to new guys having the ability to qualify....better in that the top pros are making some serious cash, but we don't want or need 30 pros at the Olympia...
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So under this new rule, at this point only Phil, Jay and Kai are qualified for the 2012 Olympia. Is that right?
Its a good move. It will keep the Olympia to a manageable number of good quality physiques. It will also force the Pros to compete more.
Would have been very interesting if Jay had placed lower than top 3 this year, as he should have been. That would have forced him to compete in a non-Olympia event for the first time since 2006. Even though he is qualified for the 2012 Olympia, I think Jay should compete in the Arnold and try to regain some momentum.
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yip, just what the O needs, more male bbers and less women. ::)
G-Thong if more woman on the stage is what you want you should be watching Miss America and Miss Universe were there are really beautiful girls competing! The Olympia should get rid of all this stupid Fitness, Figure, Bikini, Physique division because this drug addicted female on Hormone are just a waste of time!
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so dexter,vic and dennis arent qualified for next year?
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So under this new rule, at this point only Phil, Jay and Kai are qualified for the 2012 Olympia. Is that right? Its a good move. It will keep the Olympia to a manageable number of good quality physiques. It will also force the Pros to compete more. Would have been very interesting if Jay had placed lower than top 3 this year, as he should have been. That would have forced him to compete in a non-Olympia event for the first time since 2006. Even though he is qualified for the 2012 Olympia, I think Jay should compete in the Arnold and try to regain some momentum.
I think the new rules begin for all contests starting January 1st, 2012. So the top six at this years Olympia are still qualified for next years O.
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12 is a good number for the Mr O. Even something like 16 is too many in my opinion.
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I think the primary goal is to have no more than 12 on stage, maybe more for the men. The best of the best! If not enough competitors qualify, then special invites for the ones who earned the right to be up there (close second's to the winners, or even thirds).
At this Olympia, 29 Figure competitors, 28 Bikini competitors. The top 15 is considered the best of the best, in my opinion.
I say they increase the number of bikini competitors to 50 or 100 and let them stroll around the Expo all weekend in their bikinis and high heels and let the audience vote on the best competitor. Add that vote to the judges vote and the wet t-shirt contest held at the Mandalay Bay on Saturday afternoon and then you'd have a bikini competition! ;D
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Bikini, figure and all this crap should be removed. Who the fuck watches this shit? Especially bikini, I mean cmon - what the fuck bikini has to do with bodybuilding? It's health and fitness industry, this got nothing to do with bodybuilding which is all BUT health and fitness.
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Bikini, figure and all this crap should be removed. Who the fuck watches this shit? Especially bikini, I mean cmon - what the fuck bikini has to do with bodybuilding? It's health and fitness industry, this got nothing to do with bodybuilding which is all BUT health and fitness.
Did anyone at Getbig attend the Olympia? Give us an idea of the numbers in the audience for the Bikini competition vs. the Mr. Olympia. I bet that the bikini competition was better attended than the Mr. Olympia. And I'll bet that bodybuilding show organizers that have added bikini have seen their attendance numbers shoot up from past years when it was just pro bodybuilding (male and female) and fitness.
Much as you like the oiled-up, thong-wearing male bodybuilders with striated glutes, Deceiver, there is only a limited audience for that extreme (-ly gay) look. Bikini competitors definitely don't look like bodybuilders...that is exactly why this competition was created. The IFBB is a business, like it or not. They are trying to get butts in the seat and bikini accomplishes this much more than steroidly enhanced, GH bloated bodybuilders.
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Did anyone at Getbig attend the Olympia? Give us an idea of the numbers in the audience for the Bikini competition vs. the Mr. Olympia. I bet that the bikini competition was better attended than the Mr. Olympia. And I'll bet that bodybuilding show organizers that have added bikini have seen their attendance numbers shoot up from past years when it was just pro bodybuilding (male and female) and fitness.
Much as you like the oiled-up, thong-wearing male bodybuilders with striated glutes, Deceiver, there is only a limited audience for that extreme (-ly gay) look. Bikini competitors definitely don't look like bodybuilders...that is exactly why this competition was created. The IFBB is a business, like it or not. They are trying to get butts in the seat and bikini accomplishes this much more than steroidly enhanced, GH bloated bodybuilders.
I know all of that yet still I believe bikini is boring crap. If you perceive bodybuilding as something gay then I have no idea what are you doing here. I am perfectly healthy heterosexual male and yes, I do enjoy watching guys in thongs and no, I hate bikini kind of look on women. It's simply becouse I don't connect my perception of bodybuilding with anything sex related and I cannot get proper distance to judge and enjoy bikini show. All I can see is artificial, exaggerated look which I don't find attractive. It's weird, but can't help it. It's perhaps why most women don't understand bodybuilding, they can't help thinking "it's not kind of man I want" and they cannot think about it as an art or sport without sexual context.
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this new rule will force good competitors to compete pretty often
they will need to earn their money
Which is good.
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From Betty Pariso:
Changes regarding qualifying for the Olympia
As a result of our recent IFBB Committee meeting that was held during the Olympia weekend, I'm sure many of you have heard through the grapevine that there are going to be changes regarding the qualifying spots for the Olympia. Some of what you are hearing is untrue... here is the basic information that was voted on that will affect ALL IFBB ATHLETES AND ALL DIVISIONS.
# (1) QUALIFYING SPOTS FOR THE OLYMPIA
Olympia - (3) Top three places qualify for the next Olympia.
Arnold - (3) Top three places qualify for the Olympia.
All Other Shows - (1) First place ONLY qualifies for the Olympia.
The goal is to only have around 12 or so competitors on stage for each division. If the desired number is not met due to the lack of shows for competitors to compete in, then a committee will issue a special invitation to the next most qualified competitor(s) to increase the number. (The number of times an athlete has competed at other shows and placed 2nd or 3rd will be weighed heavily)
REASONS FOR THE CHANGE:
1. So that the best 12 or so competitors in the world are standing on the Olympia stage.
2. So that all shows, other than the Arnold and the Olympia have a chance to get more of the top competitors in their line up. We are losing shows every year due to the lack of ticket sales and attendance.
3. Financial... The Olympia has been affected tremendously from so many competitors qualifying and the spiraling costs of paying for all these athletes takes its toll on the budget. It also has taken away some of the prestige of the having the best 12 or so competitors on the Olympia stage.
# (2) ATHLETE CONTRACT
Four (4) weeks out from any given show, the athlete must have their contract signed or they will pay a $200 fine that goes to the promoter and is not negotiable.
REASON FOR CHANGE:
1. This will allow the promoter to use the list of athletes competing for advertising and publicity purposes.
# (3) SHOW FINALS PARTICIPATION
There will be a $1,000 Fine paid to the promoter for any competitor who does not show up for the Finals.
The athlete will not be allowed to compete again at any show until the fine is paid.
REASON FOR CHANGE:
1. Not only is this poor sportsmanship, usually because the competitor didn't like the way the prejudging went, but in some cases it takes away the chances of another competitor getting to pose, and inconveniences the expediting of the event.
I hope this helps clarify the decisions that have been made, and I encourage each of you to check the official IFBB web site www.ifbbpro.com for complete details and information for the coming year of competitions.
Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions.
FYI....Based on the great turnout of FBB in Hartford this year, Ed and I will be having FBB again in 2012.
Betty Pariso
Female BB Representative
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Ive heard Stalkerpani got anxious.
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From what I heard and not official until the IFBB says it is, the new rules begin JANUARY 1st for all IFBB contests...
So for the contests up until then, the old rules still apply - top three in each contest.
After January 1st, the only person that will qualify for the Olympia is the winner.
Personally, having the top 12-15 competitors on stage on each division is what the Olympia should be.
Having 23-29 competitors on stage is way too much. Obviously, some of them did not deserve to be up there, even if they did place 3rd or 4th on some contests.
Now, IF there are not enough competitors that are qualified to compete in the Olympia, the IFBB will reserve the right to issue special invites to the top competitors in the division (2nd places, etc) to make up for that.
This way, the best of the best are on that stage
Glad to see the IFBB is concerened about the health of the bbers. Competing more to qualify, more drugs and diueretics. Nice.
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I know all of that yet still I believe bikini is boring crap. If you perceive bodybuilding as something gay then I have no idea what are you doing here. I am perfectly healthy heterosexual male and yes, I do enjoy watching guys in thongs and no, I hate bikini kind of look on women. It's simply becouse I don't connect my perception of bodybuilding with anything sex related and I cannot get proper distance to judge and enjoy bikini show. All I can see is artificial, exaggerated look which I don't find attractive. It's weird, but can't help it. It's perhaps why most women don't understand bodybuilding, they can't help thinking "it's not kind of man I want" and they cannot think about it as an art or sport without sexual context.
Good post, I always find it strange how even people who compete in bodybuilding get confused and connect bodybuilding with sexuality. Guys like Kai, Tony Freeman etc. shaking their asses like strippers and doing dodgy stuff- fucking embarrassment! >:( ... I guess they're trying to leverage things on sexuality to try and place higher/get more attention. It’s no surprise really if you look at today’s media and advertizing "sex sells" so they are mistakenly trying to apply the same principles and project sex onto bodybuilding...but Proper Bodybuilding IMO is like you say a sport or an art and shouldn't come across as seedy or anything sex related, it should be inspirational. Guys like Arnold, Yates, Zane, Haney etc. they had it right.
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Sounds good to me but it’s going to be interesting to see how well it works, particularly under the following rare but possible scenario …….
A. Let’s assume that eight pro bodybuilders qualify in any given year for the Olympia
B. But the Olympia promoters want twelve pros to compete. So they ‘go looking ‘ for four more contenders who have taken second place in an earlier Olympia qualifying event.
C. Therefore every second place finisher in an earlier Olympia qualifier will ‘stand by’ with the hope of getting an invite due to an insufficient number of Olympia contenders who qualified as first place winners.
Over the next few years the above scenario could become a distinct possibility causing all second place IFBB pros to retain their physical conditioning up to the date that the promoters decide that there are a sufficient number of contestants for that year’s Olympia and no more are needed.
And another possible problem could arise when and if it becomes necessary to determine which second place winners will be allowed to compete to fill the void.
In an effort to solve that problem I would suggest that the officials approach this on an invitational basis only after thoughtful consideration of second place winners’ participation in previous qualifying events.
But regardless of how such a decision is made it will always be met with adverse criticism and animosity,
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All former Mr. Olympia's are qualified for life. Problem is, if you get Vic, Kai and Branch at the ASC, Evan will be the odd man out. No more Rockel, or Hide or a lot of "2nd tier" pros.
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Do the athletes get to vote on the rule changes or does the IFBB just make the changes. Would make sense to me to ask the guys competing if they are in favor of the changes
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MIKE, any attempt to get the athletes to make a decision on anything is usually an exercise in futility. (But I don't believe that the athletes would be barred from any such meeting.)
So any rule changes are made after careful analysis and discussion and debate by 'those in charge' ... meaning the officials and the reps.
And then a vote is called and the new rule is passed or placed aside. (I forget the exact terminology).
And on most all occasions (if not 100% of all occasions) these rules are made within public forums so that those in attendance can offer their two-cents worth before the change is voted upon.
I have been involved in some of these official meetings and have yet to see any decisions that were made that purposely conflicted with the overall enhancement of the organizations and those involve within it.
But some may disagree with me due to personal reasons of their own.
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I think almost everybody agrees that there were way too many competitors at the Olympia, and that it should be between 12-15 competitors in each division. The question is how to get this done. Since we dont have anything official yet on how this is going to be, the following is based on a Top 3 qualification at the Olympia and Arnold, and only a first place qualification at all other shows. If it is done this way, it may lower the number way below what the audience and fans are looking for.
They can also consider having ONE competitor qualify at every contest (with the exception of three at the Olympia and the Arnold). That way, we dont go via a few contests (on the womens side of it) without any Olympia qualifier). In Figure, the last 5 contests would NOT have had anyone qualifying to the Olympia.
Here is what it can look like....
Mens Pro Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Branch Warren)
02-19 - Flex Pro (Evan Centapani)
03-04 - Arnold Classic (Branch Warren, Dennis Wolf, Victor Martinez)
03-12 - Australian Pro (Dennis Wolf)
03-19 - British Grand Prix (Branch Warren)
03-26 - Spain Mr. Europe (Ronny Rockel)
04-16 - FIBO Germany (Dexter Jackson)
04-30 - Orlando Pro (Cedric McMillan)
05-28 - NY Pro (Kai Greene)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Craig Richardson)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Marius Dohne)
07-29 - Connecticut Pro (Troy Alves)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Toney Freeman)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Troy Alves)
09-10 - Tijuana (Ed Nunn)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 15 men qualified.
Only 12 would of competed.
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Mens 202 Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Kevin English, David Henry, Ed Da Silva)
11-06 - Sacramento Pro (Tricky Jackson)
03-19 - British Pro (Flex Lewis)
05-28 - NY Pro (Jose Raymond)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Shaun-Joseph Tavernier)
06-25 - Tamapa Pro (Al Auguste)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Vaughn Ettienne)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Gaetano Cisterino)
08-20 - Greensboro Pro (Vaughn Ettienne)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 10 men qualified.
Only 8 would of competed.
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Womens Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Iris Kyle, Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia, Debi Laszewski)
03-04 - Ms International (Iris Kyle, Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia, Alina Popa)
04-16 - FIBO Germany (Helle Nielsen)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Brigita Brezovac)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Cathy LeFrancois)
07-29 - Connectcicut Pro (Kim Buck)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 8 women qualified and competed.
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Bikini Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Sonia Gonzales, Nathalia Melo, Nicole Nagrani)
10-23 - Houston Pro (Shelsea Montes)
11-06 - Sacramento Pro (Amanda Latona)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale Pro (Nicole Nagrani)
03-05 - Arnold Bikini (Nicole Nagrani, Sonia Gonzales, Nathalia Melo)
03-19 - St. Louis Pro (Jennifer Andrews)
03-26 - Musclecontest Pro (Amanda Latona)
04-29 - Orlando Pro (Nathalia Melo)
05-07 - Pittburgh Pro (Jamie Baird)
05-20 - Louisiana Pro (Barbara Bolotte)
05-28 - NY Pro (Ali Rosen)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Shelsea Montes)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Diana Graham)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Ali Rosen)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Natalie Pennington)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Dianna Dalhgren)
09-10 - Tijuana Pro (Abbie Burrows)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 14 women qualified out of 17 contests
Only 13 women would of competed.
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Figure Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Erin Stern, Nicole Wilkins, Heather Mae French)
10-23 - Houston Pro (Courtney West)
10-30 - Border States Pro (Teresa Anthony)
11-13 - Kentucky Pro (Cheryl Brown)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale Pro (Kristal Richardson)
Mar 4 - Figure International (Nicole Wilkins, Erin Stern, Ava Cowan)
Mar 12 - Australia Pro (Erin Stern)
Mar 19 - New Zealand Pro (Erin Stern)
Mar 19 - St. Louis Pro (Nicole Wikins)
04-29 - Florida Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-07 - Pittsburgh Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-20 - Louisiana Pro (Candice Keene)
05-28 - NY Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-28 - Cal Pro (Felicia Romero)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Genn Strobo)
07-29 - Conn Pro (Genn Strobo)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Erin Stern)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Ava Cowan)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Candice Keene)
09-10 - Tournament of Champion (Nicole Wilkins)
At the 2011 Olympia there would of been 10 women qualified out of 20 contests
Only 8 would of competed.
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Fitness Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia Pro (Adela Garcia, Tanji Johnson, Trish Warren)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale (Kizzy Vaines)
Mar 4 - Fitness International (Adela Garcia, Tanji Johnson, Trish Warren)
Apr 9 - NY Pro (Camala Rodrigues)
Apr 16 - FIBO Germany (Regiane De Silva)
Jun 17 - Toronto Pro (Jodi Boam)
At the 2011 Olympia, ther would of been 7 women qualified.
Only 6 women would of competed.
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It wasn't necessary 20 years ago, as there were only 8-10 pro shows a year...now there are close to 20. Also...the pros 20 years ago competed much more often than the pros of today...which is part of the problem when it comes to new guys having the ability to qualify....better in that the top pros are making some serious cash, but we don't want or need 30 pros at the Olympia...
Ah I see - duly noted.
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September 21, 2011
NEW OLYMPIA QUALIFYING RULES
After meetings held during the Olympia Weekend and following further discussions between IFBB Professional League and Mr. Olympia, LLC, beginning 2012, only the following competitors will qualify for the Olympia:
1) Olympia - Top four (4) in each division at the Olympia.
2) Arnold - Top three (3) in each division at the Arnold Classic / Interntional.
3) New York Pro - Top two (2) in each division at the New York Pro.
4) All Other Competitions - First place at all other competitions.
The top four (4) in each division at the 2011 Olympia will qualify for the 2012 Olympia.
The remaining 2011 competitions are not affected.
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2011/news/IFBBPROAdvisoryNotice_092111.gif)
http://www.ifbbpro.com/news/ifbb-pro-league-advisory-notice-092111/
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Dexter, Branch and Dennis need to qualify
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shit that's brutal, but I see their point.. Mr. O had around 10 totally useless dudes
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Dexter, Branch and Dennis need to qualify
lets hope branch doesnt qualify. one less shitty physique on stage.
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so they are flooding the ifbb with new pros and allowing less guys to qualify for the O. should be interesting to see how this goes in the next 5 years. will there be more stacked and competitive shows all year? or will alot of guys only compete every few years or not at all?
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Kiss goodbye to a number of competitors who have been on the Olympia stage. Especially regarding figure and bikini. Half of the girls are done. They will never place fist at these contests nor the top three at the Olympia or the Arnold. The 2012 Olympia will be fine, as the rules don't apply until January 1st, and there are quite a few bikini and figure contests until then to place in the top three.
But next year, expect much less competitors on that stage. The goal is to bring more competitors to the stage, but if you have a qualified competitor competing, then why even try to compete against him or her. What if one or two qualified figure or bikini competitors decide to compete respectively for six contests in a row. There will be zero Olympia qualified competitors during that span. Does it happen? It did in figure this year for the last 5 competitions.
Expect never to see Sonia Gonzales on the Olympia stage again, nor many others who might of had a chance. Dennis Wolf, Victor Martinez, Dexter Jackson might not be on the O stage either, unless they choose to do another contest after the Arnold Classic. For what? For the prize money? Come on.
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12 competitors is a good number for the Mr.Olympia contest.
And all 12 competitors must doing their best freeposing (no more 3:00) at evening show.
Due to freeposing round not be scored, Mr.O finals now has become very BORING!
Freeposing Round must be scored, and top 6 be announced after this round.
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If any competitor already be qualified at the previous contest,then the second placer will be qualified.
But if Mr.O competitors already reach to 10 or 12, and the winner was qualified, then 2nd place can’t be qualified.
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lets hope branch doesnt qualify. one less shitty physique on stage.
Indeed, he looks like a blob of mayonnaise
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very good
also there should be a points for wins system taken into the result at the "season final" Mr Olympia
for expample if a guy wins 3 shows pprior the olympia he should be given an advantage over a guy who just qualified with one win or even placing 3rd the year before
maybe it should be a grand prix series with 5-6 shows every one to two month highlighted with a season final like in formula one racing
would force the pros to stay in shape all year around and compete every 2 mont or so followed by a 4-5 Month offseason to make gains and improve
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12 competitors is a good number for the Mr.Olympia contest.
And all 12 competitors must doing their best freeposing(no more 3:00) at evening show.
Due to freeposing round not be scored, Mr.O finals now has become very BORING!
Freeposing Round must be scored, and top 6 be announced after this round.
The new qualifying rules are a step in the right direction.
However, freeposing needs to be scored. With qualifying places limited, freeposing could be used to separate those physiques that are very close. If the IFBB decides to go with this, then you would definitely start to see real improvements in freeposing since the ability to pose would have a direct impact on those final scores.
Should this happen, you will start to see more Makkawy or Labrada style routines - physique display rather than just dancing.
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This will backfire big time.
Who will bother not only promoting but competing in smaller shows if so few Olympia berths are up for grabs?
Think about the Aussie pro show you think Tony will be able to attract competitors with only one Olympia berth?
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Hopefully some fucktards should learn how to be a seasoned professional, compete in multiple shows during the year in order to earn earn their place at the Mr. Olympia.. rather than staying out...hiding behind their sponsors, getting all fat and bloated and call it a "2 year offseason"...
*cough* Stalkerpani.
I couldn't agree more !
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this is great rule and i had alot to do with it ,, i congratulate the ifbb for this rule ,, ATLAST ,,
ONLY FIRST PLACE GET INVITATION! the o become some place where everyone think they compete in ,, no no no ,, from now on first place only
gh15 approved
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this is VERY VERY GOOD RULE!,, I JUST HAD TIME TO GO OVER IT!,, THIS IS EXELENT ,, ITS ABOUT TIME THAT FELLAS WILL WORK THEIR ASS TO BE ON O STAGE ,, every moron now day just go on pro stage and think he can go into o ,, no...you need to win first place! even the arnold i would do first place but the show is big money maker and deserve coupel spots,,
this is one of the best ifbb rules in recent times,,
BRAVO
gh15 approved
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The next step is to combine pre-judging and finals. No need for 2 shows with only 12 guys competing. Leave Friday night for the women and have the men's show Saturday night.
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Freeposing Round must be scored,
Freeposing means what? How exciting the routine is, how creative the routine is, or if they are muscular, in shape, etc?
Do you give this round to someone like Melvin Anthony or Marcus Haley which make the audience clap loudly, or to someone
like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler, which have slower routines, but look sensetional on stage?
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Freeposing means what? How exciting the routine is, how creative the routine is, or if they are muscular, in shape, etc?
Do you give this round to someone like Melvin Anthony or Marcus Haley which make the audience clap loudly, or to someone
like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler, which have slower routines, but look sensetional on stage?
Combine free posing into the pre-judging. Instead of having the judges call out the 8 mandatories, have the competitors perform a 2 minute routine where they have to hit all 8 mandatories, but can add any other poses they would like during the 2 minutes. Then, move on to comparisons and crown a champion. How do you score the posing round? The same way the mandatories are scored now, but give the competitors a chance to add their own flare to it. No, dancing and clapping is not scored.
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Combine free posing into the pre-judging. Instead of having the judges call out the 8 mandatories, have the competitors perform a 2 minute routine where they have to hit all 8 mandatories, but can add any other poses they would like during the 2 minutes. Then, move on to comparisons and crown a champion. How do you score the posing round? The same way the mandatories are scored now, but give the competitors a chance to add their own flare to it. No, dancing and clapping is not scored. ;D
agree
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Freeposing means what? How exciting the routine is, how creative the routine is, or if they are muscular, in shape, etc?
Do you give this round to someone like Melvin Anthony or Marcus Haley which make the audience clap loudly, or to someone
like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler, which have slower routines, but look sensetional on stage?
Free posing ought to be marked on the basis of physique quality - according to the pose.
For example;
- limit the time per routine (2-3 minutes, for example). Literally add a point for every 30-60sec block over the limit. At the end of the round, the competitor with the lowest freeposing score gets one point for that round (in keeping with how the rest of the rounds are scored) and so on,
- only allow the mandatories to be done once during aroutine. For every extra mandatory done, again, add a point. The idea being that a good physique will look good in more poses than a poorer physique.
- Physiques ought to match the pose and vice versa. Often you will see a guy do an oblique crunch type shot but not see any obliques! So what the hell is the pose for?!?! That kind of posing ought to be penalised. Bodybuilders need to do poses that improve how they look.
If the IFBB do not know by now what constitutes a good posing routine after all of these decades of running the show, then clearly, something has gone wrong. Gather a list of recognised 'master' posers and study why they are known as such. Here is a starters list for reference:
John Grimek
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Ed Corney
Frank Zane
Chris Dickerson
Mohamad Makkawy
Shawn Ray
Lee Labrada
Kai Greene (minus the acrobatics, the man can actually pose)
Hope this helps.
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On top of that I would also:
- remove 202
- remove bikini
- spend money from bikini and 202 on special prizes for best posers to motivate people to work on their routines
- start judging routines but use them ONLY when two competitors come very close in comparisons
First of all posing routines get worse and worse every year. This year it got really pathetic. It was so boring and pathetic I couldn't stand watching it. Just fucking compare that Vic routine to what Makkawy did... Shameful.
Secondly 202 is bullshit. Okay, I get it, I get it - it's for the smaller guys to give them chance! Oh wait... Tell me, since fucking when Olympia is about giving chances to handicapped people? It's not paraolympics, if you're too short to compete against taller guys then TOO BAD, bodybuilding ain't for you.
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- start judging routines but use them ONLY when two competitors come very close in comparisons
First of all posing routines get worse and worse every year. This year it got really pathetic. It was so boring and pathetic I couldn't stand watching it. Just fucking compare that Vic routine to what Makkawy did... Shameful.
Using the posing routine to separate close competitors is the best way to avoid lesser physiques winning.
I just don't understand why the IFBB cannot see the value in good freeposing.
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I would suggest the IFBB to:
- Ban "female bodybuilding".
- Ban bikini.
- Ban Mens Physique division.
- Ban "202's".
- Ban Mens Open.
- Fire Bob from MC.
- Hang the judges.
- Set the schmoes in the audience on fire.
- Arrest "Supplement promoters"/Drug pushers in the expos.
- Kill yourselves.
oh wait.. ???
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I would suggest the IFBB to:
- Ban "female bodybuilding".
- Ban bikini.
- Ban Mens Physique division.
- Ban "202's".
- Ban Mens Open.
- Fire Bob from MC.
- Hang the judges.
- Set the schmoes in the audience on fire.
- Arrest "Supplement promoters"/Drug pushers in the expos.
- Kill yourselves.
oh wait.. ???
I agree with everything except the Bikini.
Keep them, some fine ass up on stage there, best thing the IFBB invented in the last 20 years.
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I would suggest the IFBB to:
- Ban "female bodybuilding".
- Ban bikini.
- Ban Mens Physique division.
- Ban "202's".
- Ban Mens Open.
- Fire Bob from MC.
- Hang the judges.
- Set the schmoes in the audience on fire.
- Arrest "Supplement promoters"/Drug pushers in the expos.
- Ban dwarf bodybuilders from participating. They can have their own "mr Dwarf" and "Night of the Midget Champions" if they want to, of course. They can figure that out on their own at the annual Dwarf Convention.
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- Ban dwarf bodybuilders from participating. They can have their own "mr Dwarf" and "Night of the Midget Champions" if they want to, of course. They can figure that out on their own at the annual Dwarf Convention.
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Minimum height should be 5'10''.
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I think almost everybody agrees that there were way too many competitors at the Olympia, and that it should be between 12-15 competitors in each division. The question is how to get this done. Since we dont have anything official yet on how this is going to be, the following is based on a Top 3 qualification at the Olympia and Arnold, and only a first place qualification at all other shows. If it is done this way, it may lower the number way below what the audience and fans are looking for.
They can also consider having ONE competitor qualify at every contest (with the exception of three at the Olympia and the Arnold). That way, we dont go via a few contests (on the womens side of it) without any Olympia qualifier). In Figure, the last 5 contests would NOT have had anyone qualifying to the Olympia.
Here is what it can look like....
Mens Pro Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Branch Warren)
02-19 - Flex Pro (Evan Centapani)
03-04 - Arnold Classic (Branch Warren, Dennis Wolf, Victor Martinez)
03-12 - Australian Pro (Dennis Wolf)
03-19 - British Grand Prix (Branch Warren)
03-26 - Spain Mr. Europe (Ronny Rockel)
04-16 - FIBO Germany (Dexter Jackson)
04-30 - Orlando Pro (Cedric McMillan)
05-28 - NY Pro (Kai Greene)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Craig Richardson)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Marius Dohne)
07-29 - Connecticut Pro (Troy Alves)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Toney Freeman)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Troy Alves)
09-10 - Tijuana (Ed Nunn)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 15 men qualified.
Only 12 would of competed.
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Mens 202 Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Kevin English, David Henry, Ed Da Silva)
11-06 - Sacramento Pro (Tricky Jackson)
03-19 - British Pro (Flex Lewis)
05-28 - NY Pro (Jose Raymond)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Shaun-Joseph Tavernier)
06-25 - Tamapa Pro (Al Auguste)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Vaughn Ettienne)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Gaetano Cisterino)
08-20 - Greensboro Pro (Vaughn Ettienne)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 10 men qualified.
Only 8 would of competed.
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Womens Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Iris Kyle, Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia, Debi Laszewski)
03-04 - Ms International (Iris Kyle, Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia, Alina Popa)
04-16 - FIBO Germany (Helle Nielsen)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Brigita Brezovac)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Cathy LeFrancois)
07-29 - Connectcicut Pro (Kim Buck)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 8 women qualified and competed.
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Bikini Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Sonia Gonzales, Nathalia Melo, Nicole Nagrani)
10-23 - Houston Pro (Shelsea Montes)
11-06 - Sacramento Pro (Amanda Latona)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale Pro (Nicole Nagrani)
03-05 - Arnold Bikini (Nicole Nagrani, Sonia Gonzales, Nathalia Melo)
03-19 - St. Louis Pro (Jennifer Andrews)
03-26 - Musclecontest Pro (Amanda Latona)
04-29 - Orlando Pro (Nathalia Melo)
05-07 - Pittburgh Pro (Jamie Baird)
05-20 - Louisiana Pro (Barbara Bolotte)
05-28 - NY Pro (Ali Rosen)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Shelsea Montes)
06-25 - Tampa Pro (Diana Graham)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Ali Rosen)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Natalie Pennington)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Dianna Dalhgren)
09-10 - Tijuana Pro (Abbie Burrows)
At the 2011 Olympia, there would of been 14 women qualified out of 17 contests
Only 13 women would of competed.
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Figure Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia (Erin Stern, Nicole Wilkins, Heather Mae French)
10-23 - Houston Pro (Courtney West)
10-30 - Border States Pro (Teresa Anthony)
11-13 - Kentucky Pro (Cheryl Brown)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale Pro (Kristal Richardson)
Mar 4 - Figure International (Nicole Wilkins, Erin Stern, Ava Cowan)
Mar 12 - Australia Pro (Erin Stern)
Mar 19 - New Zealand Pro (Erin Stern)
Mar 19 - St. Louis Pro (Nicole Wikins)
04-29 - Florida Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-07 - Pittsburgh Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-20 - Louisiana Pro (Candice Keene)
05-28 - NY Pro (Cheryl Brown)
05-28 - Cal Pro (Felicia Romero)
06-17 - Toronto Pro (Genn Strobo)
07-29 - Conn Pro (Genn Strobo)
08-05 - Jacksonville Pro (Erin Stern)
08-12 - Dallas Pro (Ava Cowan)
08-27 - Phoenix Pro (Candice Keene)
09-10 - Tournament of Champion (Nicole Wilkins)
At the 2011 Olympia there would of been 10 women qualified out of 20 contests
Only 8 would of competed.
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Fitness Pro Olympia Qualifications
09-24 - Olympia Pro (Adela Garcia, Tanji Johnson, Trish Warren)
11-20 - Ft. Lauderdale (Kizzy Vaines)
Mar 4 - Fitness International (Adela Garcia, Tanji Johnson, Trish Warren)
Apr 9 - NY Pro (Camala Rodrigues)
Apr 16 - FIBO Germany (Regiane De Silva)
Jun 17 - Toronto Pro (Jodi Boam)
At the 2011 Olympia, ther would of been 7 women qualified.
Only 6 women would of competed.
Would of makes no sense.
The correct use is Would have
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Take out the dwarfs and a handful would of competed at the O...
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I agree with everything except the Bikini.
Keep them, some fine ass up on stage there, best thing the IFBB invented in the last 20 years.
Yes they should keep them BUT ban that fake tan which looks like someone threw mud, dirt and shits on them...get some natural sunlight and get onstage..no need for those fake tanning methods.
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Would of makes no sense.
The correct use is Would have
Thank you.
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Yes they should keep them BUT ban that fake tan which looks like someone threw mud, dirt and shits on them...get some natural sunlight and get onstage..no need for those fake tanning methods.
Or they could lose the bikinis and smear mud on each other. ;D ;D
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Kiss goodbye to a number of competitors who have been on the Olympia stage. Especially regarding figure and bikini. Half of the girls are done. They will never place fist at these contests nor the top three at the Olympia or the Arnold. The 2012 Olympia will be fine, as the rules don't apply until January 1st, and there are quite a few bikini and figure contests until then to place in the top three.
But next year, expect much less competitors on that stage. The goal is to bring more competitors to the stage, but if you have a qualified competitor competing, then why even try to compete against him or her. What if one or two qualified figure or bikini competitors decide to compete respectively for six contests in a row. There will be zero Olympia qualified competitors during that span. Does it happen? It did in figure this year for the last 5 competitions.
Expect never to see Sonia Gonzales on the Olympia stage again, nor many others who might of had a chance. Dennis Wolf, Victor Martinez, Dexter Jackson might not be on the O stage either, unless they choose to do another contest after the Arnold Classic. For what? For the prize money? Come on.
actually I think Dexter should get a special lifetime qualification based on his career wins...three years ago Dex won something like five shows in one year.....I think the rule is god so that guys like Victor Martinez will compete and not just automatically show up at the Olympia every year
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Here is Isaac's (Hardbody.com's) take on it...
I have no issue with this as it applies to the men’s division. I think the male bodybuilders competing only one time a year hurts promoters and shows. I am not a big fan of this as it applies to the women. Why? Let’s say Erin Stern, Nicole Wilkins, Ava Cowan or Candice Keene decide to enter shows throughout the year. They are already qualified for the Olympia but if they win a show there will be no other qualifications awarded. That means we could see around 10 women total in the Olympia. It’s highly unlikely that they will enter the majority of shows in 2012 but there’s nothing stopping them. I think one person from every competition should qualify. That means if the first place competitor has qualified second should get the qualification.
That would grant one competitor for each show to qualify for the Olympia. Awarding only the first place person and then opening the Olympia up to special invites is a little unsettling to me. It then opens up a can of worms of how they will be chosen, how many and who gets them. I totally understand and agree with the Olympia organizers wanting to cut down on the number of people qualifying for the show. Limiting the bikini, figure and fitness to just the winner makes me uneasy.
That would leave Alicia Harris who placed in the top six at the Olympia not even qualifying for the Olympia. Kristal Richardson and Heather Mae French did not compete in the 2011 Olympia. Courtney West finished tied for 16th, Felicia Romero was 15th, Cheryl Brown was 7th and Gennifer Strobo was 11th.
I haven’t done the breakdown on Bikini and Fitness but you get the idea. I think around 15 competitors for the Olympia is good as it’s intended to be the best of the best. We’ll see how this shakes out for the new year.
What’s your thoughts on the new Olympia qualifications?
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Here is Isaac's (Hardbody.com's) take on it...
I have no issue with this as it applies to the men’s division. I think the male bodybuilders competing only one time a year hurts promoters and shows. I am not a big fan of this as it applies to the women. Why? Let’s say Erin Stern, Nicole Wilkins, Ava Cowan or Candice Keene decide to enter shows throughout the year. They are already qualified for the Olympia but if they win a show there will be no other qualifications awarded. That means we could see around 10 women total in the Olympia. It’s highly unlikely that they will enter the majority of shows in 2012 but there’s nothing stopping them. I think one person from every competition should qualify. That means if the first place competitor has qualified second should get the qualification.
That would grant one competitor for each show to qualify for the Olympia. Awarding only the first place person and then opening the Olympia up to special invites is a little unsettling to me. It then opens up a can of worms of how they will be chosen, how many and who gets them. I totally understand and agree with the Olympia organizers wanting to cut down on the number of people qualifying for the show. Limiting the bikini, figure and fitness to just the winner makes me uneasy.
That would leave Alicia Harris who placed in the top six at the Olympia not even qualifying for the Olympia. Kristal Richardson and Heather Mae French did not compete in the 2011 Olympia. Courtney West finished tied for 16th, Felicia Romero was 15th, Cheryl Brown was 7th and Gennifer Strobo was 11th.
I haven’t done the breakdown on Bikini and Fitness but you get the idea. I think around 15 competitors for the Olympia is good as it’s intended to be the best of the best. We’ll see how this shakes out for the new year.
What’s your thoughts on the new Olympia qualifications?
I think it should be 15 tops for the men.....10 tops for the women.....I like that the top three qualify for the Olympia and everyone else has to hustle....although maybe they should relax the rule a bit and have only first and second at each show qualify..if not, then a lot of worthy pros will lose out and some may just quit competing altogether if they feel they could never win first in any show