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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: whitewidow on September 18, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
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Phil won because the competition was not that strong. Jay cuttler is over-rated and should of placed last! Phil came in in great shape but he wouold be nothing going up against a in-shape ronnie or dorian. I personally dont believe Jay deserves one sandow! however Phil won that fair and square and looked amazing. and yes dennis James said he never had seen anybody come in looking that great and had such great stage presence. I think phil could seriously blow up in years to come. Kai could too. He just needs to stop fucking grapefruits.
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Ya they shouldn't compare him to Ronnie. If he can add another 10-15 pounds of lean mass then maybe. Not yet though. Ronnie is one in a billion.
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Ronnie would kill him when he was in his prime. Nobody could touch him...not even Dorian...sorry ND. However, Ronnie in 2004 would have lost has he was 296 pounds and not grainy like the year before. Dorian in 1993 and maybe...maybe 1995 would have probably won...his graininess was astounding. However, if Phil cont. to refine and get better the sky is the limit.
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In school terms, fellas, Phil is in 3rd grade. Everyone else that night was in 1rst. Ronnie ... prime or not is in college. FACT ! It's blasphemy to even use Phil and Ronnie in a sentence together. Ronnie just OWNS ALL. FACT !!!
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290lbs.
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Coleman and Dorian would most def make Phil Heath look like even more of an non powerful puny cream puff than he already is. Phil doesn't have the certain required positive muscle quality traits to win a properly judged bodybuilding contest, which sadly don't exist anymore.
Heath winning the Olympia means the IFBB is now just a phony image based beauty contest.
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philsulina didnt win ,, JASON lost! he collaped under pressure and applied drugs wrongly
gh15 approved
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Mr Olympia 2020
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seriously why use drugs when you can wear a muscle suit...same shit nowdays
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where the fuck did the phil vs ronnie comparisons come from?
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where the fuck did the phil vs ronnie comparisons come from?
Che. He also came up with the Phil vs Kevin comparisons as well.
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Please do not have threads comparing Ronnie to Phil or Dorian to Phil for that matter. That's a joke and an embarrasment to Ronnie or Dorian. Yes, Phil is now a Mr. O, but yòu're talking about a guy who would,kt even be top 5 or maybe even 10 when thos guys were in their prime.
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Chepanzee. He also came up with the Phil vs Kevin comparisons as well.
Mr Beatdown Argentine Street Meat.
phil vs kev or flex is cool, but the ronnie stuff is complete BS. look at the top 6. phil was only bigger than dex, just sharper than the other 4. ronnie was rape him with his piano.
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can we clone him because if not the future of bodybuilding is looking sad
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where the fuck did the phil vs ronnie comparisons come from?
Because jay beat ronnie. Phil didn't beat cutler, cutler simply fucked himself. But whatever phil is what the sport needs.
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even jay cutler was very inferior to ronnie. where jay is human ronnie is simply inhuman
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Have Phil and Ronnie ever actualy competed against one another?
Either way it matters not - a prime Ronnie is still the best Mr Olympia of all time. And I'm a Dorian fan.
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seriously why use drugs when you can wear a muscle suit...same shit nowdays
thats right
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How can ANYBODY think that this:
Is better than this freak of nature:
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How can ANYBODY think that this:
Is better than this freak of nature:
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It's not and nobody is saying that it is but this is how she goes, so stop being such a negative nancy :-*
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Not even close! Ronnie is 20-30 percent better than Heath.
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anybody who compares philsulina to RONNIE COLEMAN should have their skull split open by drugged up hutus with machetes
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HOLY MARY of SHIT !!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
How can anyone be that big? I've seen this clip hundreds of times but I'm always in shock after watching it! Greatest ever
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phil heath's back sucks ballz how can people have the audacity to compare him to ronnie coleman
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Fuck, look at Ronnie's back thickness. Phil looks like a little girl.
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coleman has a horrible ab structure and looks like shit with his too big quads. 96-97 he was good, although even then his ab structure wasn't the best but it got worse as he increased the dosages.
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Ronnie was a freak. A true freak. Ms. Heath isn't even in the same ballpark.
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Who the hell said Phli is comparable to Ronnie?
Im a heath fan BUT hes nowhere near Ronnies level.
Ronnie is on the top of the pyramid...everyone else just tries to catch up.
Kai is the closest thing to Ronnie today...but wont surpass him, still could hold his own next to him though.
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I haven't had a Heath bar in a long time.
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Who the hell said Phli is comparable to Ronnie?
Im a heath fan BUT hes nowhere near Ronnies level.
Ronnie is on the top of the pyramid...everyone else just tries to catch up.
Kai is the closest thing to Ronnie today...but wont surpass him, still could hold his own next to him though.
I don't think so man. I think that Kai would look like a mess next to Connie Rolemodel.
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc851.jpg)
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NOPE
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Ronnie is still the freak of freaks.
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People who don't have the a sense of history will always say that the champion of today is better than the champion of yesterday.
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Fuck, look at Ronnie's back thickness. Phil looks like a little girl.
Coleman is TWICE as big as heath and just as lean!
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funny thing is, ronnie is only 258 in that video, but phisulin is 290 this year
::) :-X
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funny thing is, ronnie is only 258 in that video, but phisulin is 290 this tear
::) :-X
Lolz he's two inches taller as well ;D, 100 bucks says phil was under 100 kilo's.
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Ronnie won his first Olympia at the age of 36 and was 248 lb. Phil is 31 and around the same weight. Give him another 4-5 years and we'll see what he looks like.
Ronnie's first Olympia was at 32 (1994) and he didn't even place in the top 15. I do think Ronnie is better than Phil, but to compare them at different ages isn't fair.
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funny thing is, ronnie is only 258 in that video, but phisulin is 290 this tear
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You're an idiot heath is no where near 290.
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No one is saying that he is better than Coleman. However, Phil is compared favorably to Levrone and Flex, and those were guys who could stand on stage with Ronnie and give him some competition. There really isn't anybody in the history of bodybuilding that would be able to compete with a Coleman at his all-time best.
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You're an idiot heath is no where near 290.
hey, man, calm down, I'm just quoting what I saw from the webcast live
:D
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Who the hell said Phli is comparable to Ronnie?
Im a heath fan BUT hes nowhere near Ronnies level.
Ronnie is on the top of the pyramid...everyone else just tries to catch up.
Kai is the closest thing to Ronnie today...but wont surpass him, still could hold his own next to him though.
dennis james said he like phil as a mr o better than ronnie.
next, that imbecile chepanzee starts reinforcing that with a couple of getclowns saying they respect his opinion.
this shit has gotten out of hand.
time for ron to put that chimp chepanzee in time-out with his band of BSers.
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hey, man, calm down, I'm just quoting what I saw from the webcast live
:D
They always get a lot of it wrong. Funnily, the same thing used to happen when ESPN was broadcasting the Mr Olympia, AC and other comps - they'd get everything right except for the weights.
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Then again, Heath, outside of Mr. Personality Dexter Jackson, doesn't have a bloated, GH gut. Has to be a good thing..and he's a personable and likeable guy.
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seems like the olympia judges have a few sheep of their own :D
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remember how everyone defended phil heath two weeks ago?
remember the constant comparisons to kevin levrone, shawn ray, ronnie coleman, and flex wheeler?
remember that?!
lol
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remember how everyone defended phil heath two weeks ago?
remember the constant comparisons to kevin levrone, shawn ray, ronnie coleman, and flex wheeler?
remember that?!
lol
he made some improvements
remember in 1997 when everyone was saying ronnie was an olympia contender? remember that?
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no sorry i didn't know who ronnie was in 97
also i'm sure there were massive improvements ::)
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http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/219692-Phil-Heath-2011-vs-2010-Mr-Olympia
so he came in 10% drier and shot a little more oil in his arms... wow he's like a whole new bodybuilder ::)
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shot oil in his arms ;D cephissus you have never injected yourself with anything, you have no clue what phil uses. while most people parrot gh15 and call hiom philsulin and assert he uses tons of seo... there has never once been any sign of it on his physique. round muscle bellies doesnt necessarily mean synthol. phil doesnt even train his arms that much anymore as he recognized they were overpowering the rest of his body and started focusing on leveling out his physique. i very much doubt he has injected anything into his arms for a long while, and even in the past i doubt he ever used anything but site injections with aas.
back on subject, ronnie made about the same improvements between 97 and 98 that phil did this year. a tad bit of size and better conditioning. that combination makes a big difference on a bodybuilder of that caliber.
find me 5 bodybuilders from any era who can compete with phil in ALL of the mandatories
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no sorry i didn't know who ronnie was in 97
also i'm sure there were massive improvements ::)
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http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/219692-Phil-Heath-2011-vs-2010-Mr-Olympia
so he came in 10% drier and shot a little more oil in his arms... wow he's like a whole new bodybuilder ::)
Yes, this makes huge difference on this level, especially if you're THIS close to your biggest and only opponent.
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improvements from the back are incredible for a competitor of that size
look at the 2 latspreds !
look at the thickness in the rear double bi !
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shot oil in his arms ;D cephissus you have never injected yourself with anything, you have no clue what phil uses. while most people parrot gh15 and call hiom philsulin and assert he uses tons of seo... there has never once been any sign of it on his physique. round muscle bellies doesnt necessarily mean synthol. phil doesnt even train his arms that much anymore as he recognized they were overpowering the rest of his body and started focusing on leveling out his physique. i very much doubt he has injected anything into his arms for a long while, and even in the past i doubt he ever used anything but site injections with aas.
back on subject, ronnie made about the same improvements between 97 and 98 that phil did this year. a tad bit of size and better conditioning. that combination makes a big difference on a bodybuilder of that caliber.
find me 5 bodybuilders from any era who can compete with phil in ALL of the mandatories
i was just being insulting; you're absolutely right i have no idea what he uses, or anyone else for that matter (although one must wonder what advices he gets from jay ;D)... again the point is that neither you nor anyone else was saying any of this shit even two weeks ago...
"i very much doubt he has injected anything into his arms for a long while"
was this statement even imaginable on getbig before phil won the o?
no one thought phil was even going to win this year, although that is a different subject.
if kai had won there would be threads left and right talking about his back thickness and unparalleled mass -- "did even ron coleman carry this much mass???????"
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Cephisus is right. Looks pretty much the same both years. I couldnt even tell you which one was this year and last year from those photos.
Jay was off his game. Phil took advantage of that.
I personally dont like phil's physique. His chest is very narrow. Im not just talking about his shoulder width. His actual pecs are very narrow and have a weird pointy look at the bottom to them. Compared to someone like arnold, phil looks like he has breasts instead of pecs. Besides the chest though, phil has a good back, decent legs, etc.
look at the REAR pictures ::)
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admittedly he did make improvements, but one thing to look out for is the 2010 photos are slightly smaller than the 2011 ones (ie the two sets are not to scale) as the original poster noted.
the point is that, in no way do his improvements warrant 30 fucking threads. if kai had won there probably wouldn't be a single thread about phil posted since the olympia.
if gh15 has his sheep, so do the olympia judges.
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look at the REAR pictures ::)
tbh check his hand position in the rear last spread and bdb, I think most of it is attributed to him learning to pose his back better.
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someone in that thread i linked posted better scaled ones:
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just looks a bit drier to me.
different lighting as well, which makes it hard to tell.
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I havent examined the glutes very closely I'll admit. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the improvements he's made from rear to rear.
says the guy who spend his time taking picture of his half naked brother for getbig.com
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His arms actually look better in the #22 posing trunk number shot.
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How can ANYBODY think that this:
Is better than this freak of nature:
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freak of pharmacy you mean?
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Ronnie is so fucking awesome there fuck.....FUCK!
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Does anyone have the clip where DJ makes this Phil>Ronnie claim?
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Does anyone have the clip where DJ makes this Phil>Ronnie claim?
Flexonline.com, post prejudging interview.
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Ok somebody should make another thread on the topic
how bout, Phil vs Oleg Zhur
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They always get a lot of it wrong. Funnily, the same thing used to happen when ESPN was broadcasting the Mr Olympia, AC and other comps - they'd get everything right except for the weights.
Like Flex consistently being listed 235 from his USA win to the 96 AC...his weight never changed, but his physique did...
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coleman has a horrible ab structure and looks like shit with his too big quads. 96-97 he was good, although even then his ab structure wasn't the best but it got worse as he increased the dosages.
ab structures are Genetics. you can't change that. phil's abs looks like he only got 4 packs. some people look like they got 8 packs.
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coleman has a horrible ab structure and looks like shit with his too big quads. 96-97 he was good, although even then his ab structure wasn't the best but it got worse as he increased the dosages.
and phil has horrible clavicle structure and looks like shit with too big arms.
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It's not fair comparing anyone to Ronnie. Ronnie in 2003 was not human, it's been proven. ;D
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Ronnie is unmatched
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Ronnie is so fucking awesome there fuck.....FUCK!
the clips tell it all
ronnie in 98/99 was untouchable by anyone.
including dorian, sergio, you name it. no one equalled that.
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Ok somebody should make another thread on the topic
how bout, Phil vs Oleg Zhur
;D
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I only wish phil could've gone against a prime time ronnie. Ronnie would've made phil look small and soft. Ronnie was beyond ridiculous. Just look at the difference in arm conditioning, and Ronnie's arms look bigger (and better) than phil's. Phil would;ve been destroyed.
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^^ foundation
after looking at his video...you can start understanding why and how much regressssion bodybuild has taken since 2005...since 2000 to be honest,, but since 2005 in particular,,
to compare philsulina to ron colman or even to frank zane ..is an insult
ron colman is not comparable to anyone ,, and if you compare him to someone atleast compare him to dorian yates at his absolit ABSOLIT best showings
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
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Name these top bodybuilders....
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Name these top bodybuilders....
Ronnie, JP Fux and Francois?
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In school terms, fellas, Phil is in 3rd grade. Everyone else that night was in 1rst. Ronnie ... prime or not is in college. FACT ! It's blasphemy to even use Phil and Ronnie in a sentence together. Ronnie just OWNS ALL. FACT !!!
"Ronnie just OWNS ALL. FACT !!!"...Agreed
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Ronnie won his first Olympia at the age of 36 and was 248 lb. Phil is 31 and around the same weight. Give him another 4-5 years and we'll see what he looks like.
Ronnie's first Olympia was at 32 (1994) and he didn't even place in the top 15. I do think Ronnie is better than Phil, but to compare them at different ages isn't fair.
dude, everyone had a head start on ronnie.
shawn - out of high school bbing
flex - out of high school bbing
kevin - out of somewhere bbing
phil - out of college, gym help desk, jay cutler, bbing
do you see the trend?
ronnie - out of college,10yr full-time law enforcement career, bbing hobby. shit, let ronnie meet dopson and chad 5 yrs early working at plex's help desk and see how many O he would have won. on top of that they robbed him of #9 to make sure he didn't go past haney.
if phil heath wins nine, fuck bbing! i'm done.
phil vs ronnie is insane. this started with dennis james and has been re-inforced by the fool in florida, chepanzee.
unbelievable! ron needs to delete this shit instead of nasser threads.
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dude, everyone had a head start on ronnie.
shawn - out of high school bbing
flex - out of high school bbing
kevin - out of somewhere bbing
phil - out of college, gym help desk, jay cutler, bbing
do you see the trend?
ronnie - out of college,10yr full-time law enforcement career, bbing hobby. shit, let ronnie meet dopson and chad 5 yrs early working at plex's help desk and see how many O he would have won. on top of that they robbed him of #9 to make sure he didn't go past haney.
if phil heath wins nine, fuck bbing! i'm done.
phil vs ronnie is insane. this started with dennis james and has been re-inforced by the fool in florida, chepanzee.
unbelievable! ron needs to delete this shit instead of nasser threads.
That's all true, I was just saying compare them at the same age, rather than when one of them is 5-6 years older. Everyone is different, NDAI.
People, including top competitors, said that Ronnie had no more room to add size to his frame at the 2000 Olympia, where he was 260 lb. Then he showed up 3 years later weighing 30 lb heavier (40 lb the following year).
Ronnie is like the benchmark of bodybuilding in some ways, so to compare PH to him when Phil's just 31 and won his first Olympia isn't very logical, IMO.
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Actually Ronnie won his first Olympia at 34, and he's not 258 in 03, more 286/287 ;)
Ronnie was one of the first bbers I've seen and witnessed training day to day. Afterall he reps TX and I'm from Dallas so Ronnie was the local and bbing hero obviously.
At that time I just graduated HS and started to train and saw Ronnie prep for the 03 olympia. INSANE!!!
Anyone that saw him train witnessed one of the greatest!! I will never forget that and it so happens that year he was at his biggest!! You guys really missed out not seeing him in person 8) :o
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Actually Ronnie won his first Olympia at 34, and he's not 258 in 03, more 286/287 ;)
You're right, he was 34, not 36 when he won in 98. My bad.
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Actually Ronnie won his first Olympia at 34, and he's not 258 in 03, more 286/287 ;)
Ronnie was one of the first bbers I've seen and witnessed training day to day. Afterall he reps TX and I'm from Dallas so Ronnie was the local and bbing hero obviously.
At that time I just graduated HS and started to train and saw Ronnie prep for the 03 olympia. INSANE!!!
Anyone that saw him train witnessed one of the greatest!! I will never forget that and it so happens that year he was at his biggest!! You guys really missed out not seeing him in person 8) :o
what difference would it make?
basically, a bunch of loonies are saying 2011 phil is the best bber ever after defeating a sloppy jay. ronnie's best and biggest can't compete. yates was a pile of shit compared to phil. flex was the sultan of imbalance compare to phil
phil is GOD.
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Ronnie, JP Fux and Francois?
Yup , from the 1996 Mr Olympia