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Title: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 18, 2011, 09:40:36 PM
Who is up for some pic comparisons??
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Mr.1derful on September 18, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Who is up for some pic comparisons??

Not likely, being he would still lack a back.  Nasser would likely get taken out by Heath, in the same way Flex Wheeler used to, despite the weight disadvantage.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 18, 2011, 09:52:49 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: D_1000 on September 18, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
With Nasser in the line up, there would have been enough oil on the stage to heat a small city.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Dorian01 on September 18, 2011, 10:13:05 PM
He was thong and thong with Yates in '97, so yes.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: 20inch calves on September 18, 2011, 10:19:23 PM
without a doubt yes..to me i wouldn't be close
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 10:40:55 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 11:05:19 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 11:08:53 PM
8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 11:15:54 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 11:26:03 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Boost on September 18, 2011, 11:28:33 PM
Heath Kills Nasser in terms of conditioning and detail
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 18, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2011, 11:43:52 PM
It would be 97 AC all over again...
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Boost on September 18, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
Anyone else sick of the "90's guys would smoke everyone on stage" mindset?

Heath Kills Nasser and Shawn, kills Levrone from the back and would probably beat Levrone and Flex because their conditioning was not as consistently good as Heath's.

Apart from the 93 Arnold Classic and the 98 Olympia, Flex's conditioning was never close to Heath's.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 18, 2011, 11:53:32 PM
Anyone else sick of the "90's guys would smoke everyone on sage" mindset?

Heath Kills Nasser and Shawn, kills Levrone from the back and would probably beat Levrone and Flex because their conditioning was not as consistently good as Heath's.

Apart from the 93 Arnold Classic and the 98 Olympia, Flex's conditioning was never close to Heath's.

Spot on, it's no different than gh15 romanticizing the 80s, saying ET is the best film ever made, lol. I can see a peak Dorian, Ronnie and 2009 Jay beating Phil, nobody else. Maybe Kai Greene, if he's in shape, although he looks bad in his own way IMO.

If gh15 came out and said Phil Heath is a great Mr Olympia, all of his boys would be chanting the same thing.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Boost on September 18, 2011, 11:59:46 PM
Cormier is another guy 90's guy that rarely showed up in shape. 2011 Heath would demolish him, especially from the rear. Best calves on a black guy since Dillett.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Parker on September 19, 2011, 12:01:23 AM
Cormier is another guy 90's guy that rarely showed up in shape. 2011 Heath would demolish him, especially from the rear. Best calves on a black guy since Dillet
Actually I disagree, he showed up in shaped, he won the Ironman I beleive 5x.  He was 2nd at the AC 6 times, and deserved to beat Jay 2x at the AC...and as I see it now, deserved to beat Flex at the 2000 AC as well.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Boost on September 19, 2011, 12:05:50 AM
Actually I disagree, he showed up in shaped, he won the Ironman I beleive 5x.  He was 2nd at the AC 6 times, and deserved to beat Jay 2x at the AC...and as I see it now, deserved to beat Flex at the 2000 AC as well.
Sorry, I was referring to his Olympia showings. Do you think at his best, Chris could beat Heath? I just don't think he had the freak factor Heath has, nor does he have the deep glute striations or back detail. Heath beats him on calves and hams, arms and back
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2011, 12:07:10 AM
Anyone else sick of the "90's guys would smoke everyone on stage" mindset?

Heath Kills Nasser and Shawn, kills Levrone from the back and would probably beat Levrone and Flex because their conditioning was not as consistently good as Heath's.

Apart from the 93 Arnold Classic and the 98 Olympia, Flex's conditioning was never close to Heath's.

I am sick of it! Some folks have a blind eye. That's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 19, 2011, 12:30:01 AM
Anyone else sick of the "90's guys would smoke everyone on stage" mindset?

Heath Kills Nasser and Shawn, kills Levrone from the back and would probably beat Levrone and Flex because their conditioning was not as consistently good as Heath's.

Apart from the 93 Arnold Classic and the 98 Olympia, Flex's conditioning was never close to Heath's.
Im sick and tired man...people are living in the past, with sharpened clips and photos.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 19, 2011, 12:31:30 AM
Yes.
^ I mean he would definately get a top spot..I dont know about the Mr. Olympia title though.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: 20inch calves on September 19, 2011, 12:32:51 AM
these pictures mean nothing..and i do mean nothing. you can argue that phil is closer in the photos..the angles ect ect. we all know phil is NARROW, he would look like a child on stage next to nasser. those pictures don;t do nasser justice. i have seen him in person on stage and the man was a FREAK.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: jwb on September 19, 2011, 12:35:27 AM
It would be 97 AC all over again...
exactly what i was thinking Flex beat him at the 97 ASC weighing about 220lbs.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: 20inch calves on September 19, 2011, 12:36:43 AM
to all you guys that are in love with phil..do realize how stupid these pics are? phil is equal in size in THESE pictures..would he be on stage. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      phil looks great alone but if you put him beside nasser it would have been ALOT different
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 19, 2011, 12:38:53 AM
these pictures mean nothing..and i do mean nothing. you can argue that phil is closer in the photos..the angles ect ect. we all know phil is NARROW, he would look like a child on stage next to nasser. those pictures don;t do nasser justice. i have seen him in person on stage and the man was a FREAK.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on September 19, 2011, 12:42:04 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 19, 2011, 12:56:23 AM
Heath would beat Nasser with ease , the same reason everyone beat Nasser because he sucked from the back , Nasser looked great from the front , a real contender and the got lost from the sides and totally sucked from the back

Phil would make short work of a bigger softer guy like he did to Jay the other night  :D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: The Grim Lifter on September 19, 2011, 01:03:41 AM
The 90's had more guys with better structures for bodybuilding. But Heath is right up there.

So what he's a bit narrow. Nasser was soft as hell from the back, compared to Dorian back then they all were. Go and watch a show with them like one of the 96 grad prix's.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 19, 2011, 01:04:42 AM
Heath would beat Nasser with ease , the same reason everyone beat Nasser because he sucked from the back , Nasser looked great from the front , a real contender and the got lost from the sides and totally sucked from the back

Phil would make short work of a bigger softer guy like he did to Jay the other night  :D

End of thread.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: 20inch calves on September 19, 2011, 02:47:04 AM
Heath would beat Nasser with ease , the same reason everyone beat Nasser because he sucked from the back , Nasser looked great from the front , a real contender and the got lost from the sides and totally sucked from the back

Phil would make short work of a bigger softer guy like he did to Jay the other night  :D


riiiiight. i guess he would have beaten dorain also. or wait i beat he would be a prime ronnie coleman.
the thing is guys jump on the band wagon here. heath is maxed out he won;t hold the title for long. he will not dominate..he won;t even reach 4 titles like jay did.

heath is good NOW. but he isn;t the future
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: johnny1 on September 19, 2011, 03:54:23 AM
No i don't think he would.... Nasser's 1997 O Condition was Very very good.... but it would not be good enough against Phils all-round Condition @ the 2011 O...Yip all round as in Front and back, IMO Nasser's 1995 or 96 Condition would be a Much closer call.....However again Phils Superior Glute/Ham tie ins and Detailed back would cause Nasser Problems, from the front in his Best shape Nasser IMO Defiantly get the nod over Phil in Conditioning, hardness, Department etc...then comes the Side and back comparisons and all that goes with it.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 19, 2011, 04:46:21 AM
8)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395592.0;attach=429865;image)

holy... they are hitting the poses exactly the same and Nasser is getting raped! (and Nasses ir one of my fav bbers!)

thanks for the pics Arnie!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: HUGEPECS on September 19, 2011, 05:25:09 AM
Heath's Glutes/Hams tie-ins was the best at the O. I didn't see anyone coming close.......what will we see from heath next year?.........maybe a wider back?..........I hope he doesn't compromise too much.......flex wheeler tried to go bigger than he could handle and we all know where that got him
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: HUGEPECS on September 19, 2011, 05:26:10 AM
No i don't think he would.... Nasser's 1997 O Condition was Very very good.... but it would not be good enough against Phils all-round Condition @ the 2011 O...Yip all round as in Front and back, IMO Nasser's 1995 or 96 Condition would be a Much closer call.....However again Phils Superior Glute/Ham tie ins and Detailed back would cause Nasser Problems, from the front in his Best shape Nasser IMO Defiantly get the nod over Phil in Conditioning, hardness, Department etc...then comes the Side and back comparisons and all that goes with it.


good observation
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Nirvana on September 19, 2011, 05:28:20 AM
try nasser from the NOC 1995
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: noeasywayout on September 19, 2011, 05:31:05 AM
Heath is 5'10 290lb ......
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: andreisdaman on September 19, 2011, 05:31:31 AM
Actually I disagree, he showed up in shaped, he won the Ironman I beleive 5x.  He was 2nd at the AC 6 times, and deserved to beat Jay 2x at the AC...and as I see it now, deserved to beat Flex at the 2000 AC as well.

AGREED!!!!!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: david94 on September 19, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
He wouldn't even qualify.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: BIG_STI on September 19, 2011, 08:23:15 AM
Heath is 5'10 290lb ......

 ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bike nut on September 19, 2011, 02:59:21 PM
Guys....you're falling for the hype.

A prime Nascar El Nobody would get raped in the 2011 Olympia lineup.

You can't compare eras across a 15-year divide.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Dorian01 on September 19, 2011, 03:03:26 PM
The glute fetish wasn't yet upon us back then. Similarly, in the 70s they didn't like huge legs, and probably didn't score the back as "50%"
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 05:30:36 PM
mr nassér el sambody buildinG  gh15 féllA vs philsuliN

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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 05:34:36 PM
(94 )- 95-96 Nasser can win the 2011 Olympia

Aftèr 96 he destroyed his physique with higH dose insulin and garbages (oil - synthoL etc... )
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sam on September 19, 2011, 05:44:55 PM
(94 )- 95-96 Nasser can win the 2011 Olympia

Aftèr 96 he destroyed his physique with insulin and garbages (oil - synthoL etc... )

Complete bollocks.
I dont give a shit if you like phil heath or not but the bottom line is that the physique he presented last weekend is one of the finest ever to grace a bb stage. period.You may not like it but he would smoke Nasser all day long.

Always makes me laugh when people say heath is just all drugs, like any of the fuckers are natural lol. Hating just cos he is a better responder.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: PJim on September 19, 2011, 06:07:04 PM
As Kiwiol stated earlier, the only people beating Phil are Dorian, Ronnie and Kai in top shape.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 06:10:20 PM
Complete bollocks.
I dont give a shit if you like phil heath or not but the bottom line is that the physique he presented last weekend is one of the finest ever to grace a bb stage. period.You may not like it but he would smoke Nasser all day long.

Always makes me laugh when people say heath is just all drugs, like any of the fuckers are natural lol. Hating just cos he is a better responder.

you have here a very narrow féllA
 beautifuL muscles on a shitty structure

Look @ gh15 félla struCture---->
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 06:12:08 PM
Félla
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sam on September 19, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
Nasser was very good but i repeat Heath in the kind of shape that he won last weekend beats Nasser any day of the week.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 06:15:07 PM
...
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Félla
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Primemuscle on September 19, 2011, 06:54:31 PM
I don't believe it is fair to compare bodybuilders from different eras. Each of these fellows are great in their own time. I am thrilled that someone with more refinement like Phil Heath has won Mr. Olympia. Maybe the mass monster look is becoming passé.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Nirvana on September 19, 2011, 06:57:56 PM
actually 97 nasser was pretty soft.  97 had horrible lighting and a shitty over powering background.  I hated 97 everybody looked shitty for some reason
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Game Time on September 19, 2011, 06:58:59 PM
Not a chance, Phil has much better conditioning. Once they turned around it would be over.

Nasser has no symmetry, he cant even keep his eyes straight  ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Game Time on September 19, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
Kofho you did some good work on those comparison pics. Glad someone has the time to put that together lol
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 19, 2011, 07:05:21 PM
NarroW
(http://obama.net/wp-content/uploads/philheath_jaycutler.jpg)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363692.0;attach=399256;image)(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt241/donleopoldo/7351-1.jpg)

With russian kiD
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: cephissus on September 19, 2011, 07:13:07 PM
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt241/donleopoldo/7351-1.jpg)

has any top, in-shape bodybuilder ever looked as shitty as phil does in this picture?

i mean, ever?
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 20, 2011, 12:59:38 AM
mr. olympia 97 was not at all nasser's best!!.. not even close to it.. he was clearly better in many others shows like NOC 95, huston 95, olympia 95, olympia 96, AC 97 and more!!..
Title: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: berblexer on September 20, 2011, 03:46:20 AM
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vs

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Title: Re: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: Tito24 on September 20, 2011, 04:00:36 AM
hi phil
Title: Re: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: Bobby on September 20, 2011, 04:07:26 AM
from schmoe to mr. O in 6 years, insulin is one helluva drug
Title: Re: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: greeneyes on September 20, 2011, 04:16:16 AM
best back actually
Title: Re: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 05:16:43 AM
94-95-96 nassér el sambody buildinG  gh15 féllA vs philsuliN

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Title: Re: Nasser could win 2011 Olympia lol
Post by: liberty on September 20, 2011, 07:01:46 AM
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Nirvana on September 20, 2011, 09:07:41 AM
just because he got second in 97 doesn't mean he was better than he was in 96 win he theoretically got 3rd.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 09:39:10 AM
Because of Phil's narrow structure he looks great in his solo pictures.  The 2011 and most recent Olympia pics also have much better lighting than many of the older shows, like Nirvana said the 97 Olympia pics have one of the worst lightings ever.

Also agreed on the above 97 was not Nasser's best; he was better in 95-96 Olympia, NOC and Grand Prix shows or even 97/98/99 Arnold Classic and 98 Olympia.  

On the same stage with same lighting if you put a prime Nasser next to 2011 Phil Heath he (Phil) would not look so impressive anymore and would not be able to compete with the sheer amount of conditioned size of Huge Nasser  8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
Something else to consider - you can put together solo pics of 2011 Heath vs. Dorian or Ronnie or anyone in poorer lighting and would give the same illusion.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Big Worm on September 20, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
Who is up for some pic comparisons??
Why..?  Did he win it in 97.?
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:28:05 AM
On the same stage with same lighting if you put a prime Nasser next to 2011 Phil Heath he (Phil) would not look so impressive anymore and would not be able to compete with the sheer amount of conditioned size of Huge Nasser  8)

Nasser got beaten by a much lighter Flex in the 97 and 98 Arnold Classic. PH would beat Nasser for the same reason Flex did - from the front Nasser would dominate maybe the FLS and Abs n thighs. But as soon as they turn to the side and back poses, PH beats him hands down. No contest.

Overall, Phil in his best shape beats a prime Nasser.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:31:10 AM
Nasser got beaten by a much lighter Flex in the 97 and 98 Arnold Classic. PH would beat Nasser for the same reason Flex did - from the front Nasser would dominate maybe the FLS and Abs n thighs. But as soon as they turn to the side and back poses, PH beats him hands down. No contest.

Overall, Phil in his best shape beats a prime Nasser.

easily

Nasser got beat by a TWO-HUNDRED-AND-FIVE-POUND Shawn Ray , his advantage in size means squat
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 10:31:24 AM
Nasser got beaten by a much lighter Flex in the 97 and 98 Arnold Classic. PH would beat Nasser for the same reason Flex did - from the front Nasser would dominate maybe the FLS and Abs n thighs. But as soon as they turn to the side and back poses, PH beats him hands down. No contest.

Overall, Phil in his best shape beats a prime Nasser.

Wheeler is much more aesthetic than Heath.  Bad comparison.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 10:32:31 AM
easily

Nasser got beat by a TWO-HUNDRED-AND-FIVE-POUND Shawn Ray , his advantage in size means squat

So you think Heath would beat Nasser with ease yet Dorian would beat Heath with ease, even though Nasser and Dorain were pretty close in contest placings during Dorian's last three years?   ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
Wheeler is much more aesthetic than Heath.  Bad comparison.

It's not just about the structure, which doesn't really work against Phil much anyway. There's still the problem of the side and back poses where Phil beats Nasser handily. Overall, it's no contest.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:37:41 AM
Why..?  Did he win it in 97.?

yes he won, but then some schmoes robbed the trophy from him and gave to the one armed man
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:38:50 AM
So you think Heath would beat Nasser with ease yet Dorian would beat Heath with ease, even though Nasser and Dorain were pretty close in contest placings during Dorian's last three years?   ::)

Only in your imagination was Dorian and Nasser ever close , there was Dorian and then everyone else. Hero-worship makes you think they were close

I think Nasser would be competitive with Heath ( and most anyone ) from the front , would probably win the standing relaxed from the front , maybe , maybe the front double biceps, he would clearly win the ab-thigh and front latspread , but he would get picked apart in every other pose by Heath
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:39:55 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395592.0;attach=430064;image)

INSANE picture, 90s Nasser had one of the biggest backs in bbing ever, easily
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
yes he won, but then some schmoes robbed the trophy from him and gave to the one armed man

one arm?  ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:41:02 AM
one arm?  ;D

look I love dorian maybe he is my fav bber even but I dare you to post a Dorian FDB from 97 Mr. O  8)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 10:41:49 AM
It's not just about the structure, which doesn't really work against Phil much anyway. There's still the problem of the side and back poses where Phil beats Nasser handily. Overall, it's no contest.

The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
INSANE picture, 90s Nasser had one of the biggest backs in bbing ever, easily

Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:43:10 AM
The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.

There are other poses where it will be totally Phils, like the side chest. Overall its very hard to tell both are great bbers.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:44:41 AM
look I love dorian maybe he is my fav bber even but I dare you to post a Dorian FDB from 97 Mr. O  8)

 ;D

okay , okay he loses this pose , won most of the others
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.

Nah, Phil would win all the side and back poses. Nasser's back looked wide in the front shots, but from the back it looked like he had a middle weight's back. His RLS wasn't very wide even at 280 lb while Phil's RLS looks bigger than Flex's, which was good enough to beat Nasser.

Like ND said, Nasser would have the front relaxed, FDB, FLS and Abs & thighs. All of the other poses and overall would go to PH.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:46:57 AM
Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.

He's off-season that says nothing about competition , his lats are high , his back maybe wider but that's it , no 3D thickness , no depth , no where near as much size as he needs to match the rest of his physique , no separation , and no details , his back SUCKED badly and it cost him everything
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Big Worm on September 20, 2011, 10:49:22 AM
yes he won, but then some schmoes robbed the trophy from him and gave to the one armed man
He didn't win shiet..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:51:08 AM
Nah, Phil would win all the side and back poses. Nasser's back looked wide in the front shots, but from the back it looked like he had a middle weight's back. His RLS wasn't very wide even at 280 lb while Phil's RLS looks bigger than Flex's, which was good enough to beat Nasser.

Like ND said, Nasser would have the front relaxed, FDB, FLS and Abs & thighs. All of the other poses and overall would go to PH.

No way is Nasser touching this , mind you Ray is 205lbs and his back smokes Nasser
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:53:32 AM
Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.

yes, its like some people dont like nasser and start some campaigns to put the man down. During the 90s Nassers back was top notch. Less detailed than Dorians with less shape than his but still one of the best. Also in some shots, specially FDB Nassers lats look even bigger than Dorians.

And then you have Jay Cutler with ZERO lower back winning olympias and all, religion of peace  ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:55:26 AM
No way is Nasser touching this , mind you Ray is 205lbs and his back smokes Nasser

Yep. And I don't think Nasser would dominate the front poses either - it would be fairly close in the FDB & FLS.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 10:55:47 AM
;D

okay , okay he loses this pose , won most of the others

actually thats a nice FDB from Dorian, the angle hides the gap in his left arm. Either way Dorian was a stud
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:03:23 AM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:06:35 AM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
GH15 féLLa with high dose insuline and garbages (oil ect..)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:14:10 AM
he destroyed his beautifuL physiquE  with high insulin & garbages
Look like a fuckinG clowN circuS joke  here

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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 11:20:52 AM
yes, its like some people dont like nasser and start some campaigns to put the man down. During the 90s Nassers back was top notch. Less detailed than Dorians with less shape than his but still one of the best. Also in some shots, specially FDB Nassers lats look even bigger than Dorians.

And then you have Jay Cutler with ZERO lower back winning olympias and all, religion of peace  ::)

Nasser's back sucked , it sucked on almost every level it has nothing to do with not liking him , he gets credit where credit is due but he gets none for his back

the only thing his back was wide , but it wasn't wider enough for a 285 pound bodybuilder


Start at the top , upper back development traps , his traps were pretty big not on par with Yates or as big and as thick ( when viewed from the back ) as they needed to be for a 285lb guy , they didn't show much depth and separation from the other muscles


Mid-back , teres and infraspinatus , again no depth or great separation between these muscles and no clear-cut separation from the lower-traps ( in the back double biceps shot ) not as thick as they need to be either

Lats , Nasser's lats are flawed because they are high and they almost disappear in the back double biceps shot , they're not in any way shape or form thick enough for a guy his size and weight , they don't match the size of his other parts ( proportion & balance ) and show NO striations or details what so ever , along with no clear distinct sepration from the teres and infraspinatus

Lower back? what lower back? he has no spinal erectors no striated x-mass tree , he pulls his arms back to highlight his lower back detail that doesn't exist

His back as a whole sucks for all of those reasons , he knew it and everyone else did , it cost him the Olympia , his back disappeared from the rear and made him look a lot smaller , his back was not proportionate to the rest of his physique , he was like two different bodybuilders from the front & back


the top pic clearly illustrates everything I just typed
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 11:27:10 AM
His back was a MAJOR liability and is lacking almost completely , he turns around and he gets obliterated and not just by Dorian , by Flex , Ronnie , Shawn ,  :-\


it's staggering how bad his back sucked
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:28:03 AM
See différence

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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 11:32:56 AM
Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 11:37:14 AM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 11:40:49 AM
Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.

Not saying Dorian didn't have flaws but his flaws weren't as much as a liability as Nasser's. The back is a huge and complex muscle group and his was not just lacking ( Kevin fits into the category ) but it was a major flaw and if he had a good back he would have been Mr Olympia in 97

 
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 20, 2011, 11:52:51 AM
It's not just about the structure, which doesn't really work against Phil much anyway. There's still the problem of the side and back poses where Phil beats Nasser handily. Overall, it's no contest.

nasser was not weak from the side and i always find this a stupid execuse to increase nasser weak points!!.. how to have great quad that looks great from the front but bad or flat from the side.. or a massive chest that looks thick from the front but thin or whatever from the side!!.. no logic..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
nasser was not weak from the side and i always find this a stupid execuse to increase nasser weak points!!.. how to have great quad that looks great from the front but bad or flat from the side.. or a massive chest that looks thick from the front but thin or whatever from the side!!.. no logic..

He wasn't the same dominate force from the side as he was from the front , you don;t thick his lacking thickness in the back can't be seen from the side too? and maybe if he learned how to pose as well
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 20, 2011, 12:03:25 PM
Nasser's back sucked , it sucked on almost every level it has nothing to do with not liking him , he gets credit where credit is due but he gets none for his back

the only thing his back was wide , but it wasn't wider enough for a 285 pound bodybuilder


Start at the top , upper back development traps , his traps were pretty big not on par with Yates or as big and as thick ( when viewed from the back ) as they needed to be for a 285lb guy , they didn't show much depth and separation from the other muscles


Mid-back , teres and infraspinatus , again no depth or great separation between these muscles and no clear-cut separation from the lower-traps ( in the back double biceps shot ) not as thick as they need to be either

Lats , Nasser's lats are flawed because they are high and they almost disappear in the back double biceps shot , they're not in any way shape or form thick enough for a guy his size and weight , they don't match the size of his other parts ( proportion & balance ) and show NO striations or details what so ever , along with no clear distinct sepration from the teres and infraspinatus

Lower back? what lower back? he has no spinal erectors no striated x-mass tree , he pulls his arms back to highlight his lower back detail that doesn't exist

His back as a whole sucks for all of those reasons , he knew it and everyone else did , it cost him the Olympia , his back disappeared from the rear and made him look a lot smaller , his back was not proportionate to the rest of his physique , he was like two different bodybuilders from the front & back


the top pic clearly illustrates everything I just typed

yes and on the other hand we have dorian who was well balanced with his arms/shoulders/chest small for his back and his quads small for his calves ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
He wasn't the same dominate force from the side as he was from the front , you don;t thick his lacking thickness in the back can't be seen from the side too? and maybe if he learned how to pose as well
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395592.0;attach=430210;image)

lots of schmoes heads in there
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 12:07:52 PM
yes and on the other hand we have dorian who was well balanced with his arms/shoulders/chest small for his back and his quads small for his calves ::)

Says you but we already established you don't know much  :D

but again having a missing back is much more of a liability
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
When the two were compared , Nasser took the front double biceps and abs-and-thighs poses , but as soon as they turned to the side , Dorian's greater development , thickness and detail overshadowed Nasser , and when the champion's back came into play , it was all over. But Yates' overall superiority was only apparent in six comparisons ( three in the relaxed round , and three in the muscularity round ) that he and El Sonbaty were involved in , which accounted for about eight minutes of the two-hour prejudging. Head-to-toe , and when all the angles had been considered , Yates was the clear winner

Yates the clear winner 1997  ;D

Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: apply85 on September 20, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
nd, you are saying nasser's back was trash and then posting pics where his back looks great, can't tell if serious
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 12:50:57 PM
Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.

ND has historically taken the position that judging decisions are flawless and always correct

Therefore to avoid contradicting himself he must "back into" judges' decisions and will therefore always argue that the decision was fair.  Had the judges crowned Nasser in 97 he would be debating right now how Nasser was the fair winner, Dorian had too many flaws in 97, etc.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 01:45:42 PM
ND has historically taken the position that judging decisions are flawless and always correct

Therefore to avoid contradicting himself he must "back into" judges' decisions and will therefore always argue that the decision was fair.  Had the judges crowned Nasser in 97 he would be debating right now how Nasser was the fair winner, Dorian had too many flaws in 97, etc.

Don't presume to speak for me , I've taken the position that the judging most of the time if accurate & correct even when the guy I like doesn't win. You on the other hand are basing everything off of emotion and bias and ignorance seeing you don't even know how contests are judged.

And lets not forget I just gave a very detailed and accurate explanation why in part Nasser lost in 1997. Out of the two of us I'm less biased , more informed and less emotional. I've admitted Dorian lost in some poses ( in 1997 ) I explained how he won with a perfect score , I showed how Nasser wasn't the same imposing force from the side and back.

You guys have the outcome and now are trying every fit and possible combination to make him something more than what he was , I've heard excuses from racism , to pay-offs , to politics , to homosexual favors , etc. You just seriously understated his piss-poor back and I seriously explained with a detailed analysis and photos how and why your position is inaccurate , it's this type of belief that prevents you from seeing the reality of the situation, Nasser simply wasn't as good as you think he is , which is why guys who weighs 80lbs less than him could beat him , why he wasn't that successful as a competitive professional , why he could be beaten by a career worse Dorian.

Nasser was a fantastic bodybuilder from the front , a good one from the side and terrible one from the back , his competitive record verifies this , he did well for himself despite his flaws but when push comes to shove there were many guys much better than him and yes even Dorian with a torn tricep , bicep
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 01:58:33 PM
nd, you are saying nasser's back was trash and then posting pics where his back looks great, can't tell if serious

Hahahahaha there are no Nasser's back looks great pictures even in 1995 when it did show detail it still wasn't close to being great

This comparison illustrates my point precisely , in 1995 Nasser's back was showing very good detail , separation but lacks real thickness and width as well as size , fast forward to 1997 , his back is physically larger at the expense detail , separation and density , and still doesn't match the thickness of his other parts , he never had a great back even though it was better at one point it

second pic is him at a whopping 268lbs doing a rear latspread next to Vince Taylor who weighs considerably  less and judging by the comparison you'd barely know , Vince looks every bit as wide and as big , which brings us back to my point , he's stunning from the front a real contender and then is a completely different guy from the back
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: apply85 on September 20, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
the top one is because of conditioning, the bottom one lighting, his back was fine, they had to make an excuse why dorian was winning, they say it's the back, that;s fine, you are blind
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: The Grim Lifter on September 20, 2011, 02:11:01 PM
gh15 says the quality today isn't like the 90's but you can say in the 90's Levrone and Ray never trained all year, Flex and Dillet were lazy, basically gh15 placed well because he put the effort in against guys who coasted on their genetics.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 02:16:55 PM
the top one is because of conditioning, the bottom one lighting, his back was fine, they had to make an excuse why dorian was winning, they say it's the back, that;s fine, you are blind

Conditioning? another one of Nasser's problems , looked hard as nails from the front and you guessed it from the back  :-\  and the lighting in the second pic? this is your excuse?  :-X and you have the audacity to claim I'm blind?  ::)

Nasser sucks from the back not just against Dorian but to almost everyone

hey look it's the lighting  :D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Man of Steel on September 20, 2011, 02:19:12 PM
Heath pwns in every shot.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 20, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
Conditioning? another one of Nasser's problems , looked hard as nails from the front and you guessed it from the back  :-\  and the lighting in the second pic? this is your excuse?  :-X and you have the audacity to claim I'm blind?  ::)

Nasser sucks from the back not just against Dorian but to almost everyone

hey look it's the lighting  :D

His back is less detailed than Wheeler's there, but is more massive.  Just like apply85, Sherief and I have been saying - his back isn't as bad as he got scrutinized for, and he did scrutinized for it more than others did for their flaws.

And why do you always make reference to bodyweight when comparing Nasser?  Since when has one of the judging criteria been size as a ratio of bodyweight?  Do they announce bodyweights of each and use that when judging - lower bodyweight (as an individual factor) giving an advantage?  The fact that you keep saying that just shows your bias.  Shawn Ray held his own against Dorian in many poses, and he weighed a lot less too.  You never bring that up.  When discussing Jay vs. Phil does anyone compare their bodyweights as part of the judging criteria?  Just shows your anti-Nasser bias when you keep bringing up his bodyweight in particular to dampen the argument "yeah his back is more massive here but he also weighs more so it should be" LOL.  Guess Ronnie Coleman in 2003 wasn't so impressive because one has to consider that he also weighed more than his competitors  ::)

And like I said, if Nasser was crowned the O in 97 you would be arguing that he was the fair winner, because all of your arguments are always based on your belief that contest results are perfect.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 03:39:45 PM
His back is less detailed than Wheeler's there, but is more massive.  Just like apply85, Sherief and I have been saying - his back isn't as bad as he got scrutinized for, and he did scrutinized for it more than others did for their flaws.

And why do you always make reference to bodyweight when comparing Nasser?  Since when has one of the judging criteria been size as a ratio of bodyweight?  Do they announce bodyweights of each and use that when judging - lower bodyweight (as an individual factor) giving an advantage?  The fact that you keep saying that just shows your bias.  Shawn Ray held his own against Dorian in many poses, and he weighed a lot less too.  You never bring that up.  When discussing Jay vs. Phil does anyone compare their bodyweights as part of the judging criteria?  Just shows your anti-Nasser bias when you keep bringing up his bodyweight in particular to dampen the argument "yeah his back is more massive here but he also weighs more so it should be" LOL.  Guess Ronnie Coleman in 2003 wasn't so impressive because one has to consider that he also weighed more than his competitors  ::)

And like I said, if Nasser was crowned the O in 97 you would be arguing that he was the fair winner, because all of your arguments are always based on your belief that contest results are perfect.

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His back is less detailed than Wheeler's there, but is more massive.  Just like apply85, Sherief and I have been saying - his back isn't as bad as he got scrutinized for, and he did scrutinized for it more than others did for their flaws.

It's more massive? it's supposed to be more massive he outweighs Flex by probably 60lbs and he's only 1" taller , more massive means , more fat , less dense muscle. his type of ' more massive ' isn't what the judges are looking for.

You can't seem to grasp how much of a MAJOR flaw this is , the back is one of the biggest muscle groups in the body and it's lacking severely , this isn't a torn bicep it's an entire missing back , until you can grasp this concept then you will always be scratching your head wondering why he never won

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And why do you always make reference to bodyweight when comparing Nasser?  Since when has one of the judging criteria been size as a ratio of bodyweight?  Do they announce bodyweights of each and use that when judging - lower bodyweight (as an individual factor) giving an advantage?  The fact that you keep saying that just shows your bias.  Shawn Ray held his own against Dorian in many poses, and he weighed a lot less too.  You never bring that up.

Oh the irony of you of all people bitching about making reference to his bodyweight , Mr 300lbs with abs  ::) and I'll tell you exactly why I keep referencing his bodyweight , because it has to do with his back NOT being in proportion with the rest of his massive parts , when your rear latspread is as wide as a guy who is 60lbs lighter it's clearly highlighting why he's losing contests despite a clear advantage in PART of the judging criteria , muscular bulk

Muscular bulk is part of the judging criteria not bodyweight per sa , but conditioned muscular bulk , and Nasser's back was LACKING in this area severely which is why he lost more than won. And Shawn Ray held his own against Dorian in MANY poses?  ??? lol with your irrational train of thought I'm sure you believe this but Shawn got crushed utterly in almost every pose , in terms of muscular bulk AND density AND dryness AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation , Shawn like Nasser was never ever close to Dorian , the ignorant lament to the contrary


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When discussing Jay vs. Phil does anyone compare their bodyweights as part of the judging criteria?  Just shows your anti-Nasser bias when you keep bringing up his bodyweight in particular to dampen the argument "yeah his back is more massive here but he also weighs more so it should be" LOL.  Guess Ronnie Coleman in 2003 wasn't so impressive because one has to consider that he also weighed more than his competitors  ::)

Again the point isn't so much the weight , it's more to do with Nasser's lack of proportionate back in relation to the rest of his physique , weight is meaningless if it's not conditioned quality muscle , if weight were a great consideration Kovacs would be a multiple Mr Olympia winner.

Anti-Nasser bias? I posted a pic of him in the another thread in the ab-thigh from the 1995 Huston Pro at 268lbs , I said he has among the best ab-thighs of all-time and infinitely better than any pro competing today , is this anti-Nasser? of course not and why? because it's applicable , he sucks from the back and why? it's applicable. His back is supposed to be more massive than Flex and in that pic it's more massive per sa and soft as fuck and holding water it's NO ADVANTAGE at all , dry Nasser completely out like 1995 and his back would be even smaller , it's not a plus and it's the same reason he lost to Flex in that contest as he did to Dorian in 1997 , because he sucked from the back

Nasser was two different bodybuilders , Mr Olympia from the front , and Mr 12 weeks out from the back , his conditioning from the front was very good and soft as hell from the back , you will NEVER escape this fact


Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 20, 2011, 03:59:22 PM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 20, 2011, 04:46:16 PM
Nasser's back was pathetic.....Bobs really shows his blind love for all things Nasser when he tries to argue that very obvious fact.

It wasn't that bad?

Yes it was
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: the_swami on September 20, 2011, 07:32:39 PM
This has been said many times b4 but i will point it out once again.

Nasser's back was huge, wide and thick, Nasser did not have a weak back.

in the RLS he is clearly beating Dorian.

the only pose where DOrian beat Nasser was the RDB, because Nasser did not have the hardness/seperation there as Dorian did.

All other mandatories Nasser owns Dorian.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: the_swami on September 20, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
also  no one remembers that Flex, altho Flex has a great RDB with detail, his RLS was very weak

Flex's RLS had no width nor thickness

just see the 98 and 99 O comparisons for evidence of that
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: BayGBM on September 20, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
Both are tier 1!

Nasser is more schmoetastic!  But Heath has the better stage physique by far!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 20, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.

yes it was me in these threads:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233097.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243056.0
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Mr.1derful on September 20, 2011, 08:54:44 PM
Nasser's arms already starting to look ridiculous in some of those shots. 
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 20, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
This has been said many times b4 but i will point it out once again.

Nasser's back was huge, wide and thick, Nasser did not have a weak back.

in the RLS he is clearly beating Dorian.

the only pose where DOrian beat Nasser was the RDB, because Nasser did not have the hardness/seperation there as Dorian did.

All other mandatories Nasser owns Dorian.

right  ::)

the entire Bodybuilding industry and community is wrong,and you, bobs and sherief are right  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 20, 2011, 09:08:29 PM
yes it was me in these threads:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233097.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243056.0

haha good stuff man, in pic the effect is very clear in showing how much Dorians delts could be better!!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243056.0;attach=283177;image)

this guy would beat a prime ronnie easily!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Parker on September 20, 2011, 09:45:37 PM
Shawn Ray, Levone, all get marked down for their "hands on hips whist waiting for results" pose---Nasser does a variation of it..
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: the_swami on September 20, 2011, 10:19:33 PM
haha good stuff man, in pic the effect is very clear in showing how much Dorians delts could be better!!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243056.0;attach=283177;image)

this guy would beat a prime ronnie easily!

so many weaknesses Dorian had which ppl never mention:

weak arms
lack of upper chest
no popping delts
weak traps
torn bicep, torn tricep
no quad sweep
lack of thigh seperation
huge blocky waist and distended gut
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: The_Hammer on September 20, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
so many weaknesses Dorian had which ppl never mention:

weak arms
lack of upper chest
no popping delts
weak traps
torn bicep, torn tricep
no quad sweep
lack of thigh seperation
huge blocky waist and distended gut

You're outta your fucking mind. 
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
You're outta your fucking mind. 

He only comes here to kiss Nasser's ass directly or indirectly (attacking Dorian, the judges etc). He's so butt hurt, he keeps repeating Dorian should've lost the Olympia every year, to guys like Shawn and Kevin. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 20, 2011, 10:50:10 PM
He only comes here to kiss Nasser's ass directly or indirectly (attacking Dorian, the judges etc). He's so butt hurt, he keeps repeating Dorian should've lost the Olympia every year, to guys like Shawn and Kevin. Pathetic.

kiwi you dont like swami because you were saying he was a thin twink (same size as mr. bones "love donkey") then bobs posted some of swami's great pics. and forced you to say you were totally wrong and that swami had/has great physique.. no wonder you are jealous and we all know you have currently a fat nutella physique  :-X
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: kiwiol on September 20, 2011, 10:52:32 PM
kiwi you dont like swami because you were saying he was a thin twink (same size as mr. bones "love donkey") then bobs posted some of swami's great pics. and forced you to say you were totally wrong and that swami had/has great physique.. no wonder you are jealous and we all know you have currently a fat nutella physique  :-X

Yeah, I'm jealous I don't get to kiss Nasser's ass 24/7, sniff his soiled thongs many times a day and visit him in person, so I can take pics of me visibly fondling him all over. You got me there :-[
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 12:21:51 AM
kiwi you dont like swami because you were saying he was a thin twink (same size as mr. bones "love donkey") then bobs posted some of swami's great pics. and forced you to say you were totally wrong and that swami had/has great physique.. no wonder you are jealous and we all know you have currently a fat nutella physique  :-X

so do you fatso.,....does that mean you can't say anything bad about Dorian, because you are fat ?

Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 01:46:28 AM
so do you fatso.,....does that mean you can't say anything bad about Dorian, because you are fat ?



lol so what if i take a decent pic. of myself now??.. i am ready to do it if you will confess you are an asshole after seeing it.. swami and bigbobs can be the judges.. what do you think??..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 01:51:14 AM
so many weaknesses Dorian had which ppl never mention:

weak arms
lack of upper chest
no popping delts
weak traps
torn bicep, torn tricep
no quad sweep
lack of thigh seperation
huge blocky waist and distended gut

It should have been very easy then for Nasser to beat him then  :D oh that's right racism rears it's ugly head  ::)

Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 01:53:46 AM
haha good stuff man, in pic the effect is very clear in showing how much Dorians delts could be better!!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243056.0;attach=283177;image)

this guy would beat a prime ronnie easily!

Dorian's delts were fine  ;)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 01:59:55 AM
Dorian's delts were fine  ;)

typical ND!!. we are not saying his delts are very bad but when you compare them to levrone's or nasser's or of course dillett's sure they look weaker!!.. post pics of him beside any of these guys in their best years and from any angle their shoulders are clearly better in shap and size!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: johnny1 on September 21, 2011, 04:39:42 AM
Nasser got beaten by a much lighter Flex in the 97 and 98 Arnold Classic. PH would beat Nasser for the same reason Flex did - from the front Nasser would dominate maybe the FLS and Abs n thighs. But as soon as they turn to the side and back poses, PH beats him hands down. No contest.

Overall, Phil in his best shape beats a prime Nasser.
Valid points, the biggest Issue Nasser would have is the Conditioning and Detail from the Side and Back it really Does not matter how much bigger Nasser was, its the Finer Points like Detail/Condition/and Tie ins that comes to the Front under the Stage lights....Especially in this day and age of Glute/ham/back Tie-ins (upper and lower) these are the Areas Nasser @ over 260lbs never Nailed and for all his Massive size would not compare favorably next to Heath, IMO its Hard to see him Beating Phil UNLESS Phil screwed up his Condition... his Best chance perhaps would be BELOW 250lbs as in 1993-94 not the "Mass-monster" he became in 1995 onwards that Massive size and more importantly lack of Serious Detail from the Back and Side would More than likely be his undoing.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 06:14:12 AM
Valid points, the biggest Issue Nasser would have is the Conditioning and Detail from the Side and Back it really Does not matter how much bigger Nasser was, its the Finer Points like Detail/Condition/and Tie ins that comes to the Front under the Stage lights....Especially in this day and age of Glute/ham/back Tie-ins (upper and lower) these are the Areas Nasser @ over 260lbs never Nailed and for all his Massive size would not compare favorably next to Heath, IMO its Hard to see him Beating Phil UNLESS Phil screwed up his Condition... his Best chance perhaps would be BELOW 250lbs as in 1993-94 not the "Mass-monster" he became in 1995 onwards that Massive size and more importantly lack of Serious Detail from the Back and Side would More than likely be his undoing.

i dont agree with you johnny that nasser lacked any details from the side!!.. at his best he looked great from the side as he did from the front.. these 2 pics are from mr. olympia 96 and he was 280 pounds or 285 (cant remember exactly) and as you see he looked huge and detailed in a very good shape from the side!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 06:24:16 AM
and here in mr. olympia 95 and aside of not executing the SC pose perfectly as dorian and levrone you can see clearly he was as detailed or even more detailed than both of them and of course bigger!!..

ND can see well how yates shoulders were relatively small beside nasser's and levrone's :-X
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 21, 2011, 09:38:36 AM
less Anti-Nasser bias? I posted a pic of him in the another thread in the ab-thigh from the 1995 Huston Pro at 268lbs , I said he has among the best ab-thighs of all-time and infinitely better than any pro competing today , is this anti-Nasser? of course not and why? because it's applicable

This is true, I think you post more favourably of Nasser in threads where Sherief or I are not posting in, but when you see us in a Nasser debate you post more negative about him, perhaps you enjoy debating :)  I dont think anyone here would disagree with that observation given the # of Dorian/Ronnie posts you've made over the years.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 21, 2011, 09:40:09 AM
Great shots Sherief!  I think 96 Olympia Nasser would destroy anything presented on stage at the 2011 Olympia!  His "weak" side shots  ::)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395592.0;attach=430423;image)
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
typical ND!!. we are not saying his delts are very bad but when you compare them to levrone's or nasser's or of course dillett's sure they look weaker!!.. post pics of him beside any of these guys in their best years and from any angle their shoulders are clearly better in shap and size!!..

Actually they don't , you have to recall this is the best Dorian looked and Peter McGough touched on the fact that he did indeed diet down to much for contests and his muscle roundness suffered for it which is noticeable in the delts which are clearly more massive here and more round

Dilletts?  :-X huge but his delts were lacking
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
and here in mr. olympia 95 and aside of not executing the SC pose perfectly as dorian and levrone you can see clearly he was as detailed or even more detailed than both of them and of course bigger!!..

ND can see well how yates shoulders were relatively small beside nasser's and levrone's :-X

Bad pic to compare delts with , Nasser is doing a side-delt shot and Dorian and Kevin are doing textbook side-chest shots , but I don't doubt Nasser's would be bigger but I'm talking about Dorian from the black & white pics where his delts are massive and round and much bigger than when he dieted down in this contest

Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: andreisdaman on September 21, 2011, 10:59:30 AM
You're outta your fucking mind. 

nope....he's actually right
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 11:03:23 AM
lol so what if i take a decent pic. of myself now??.. i am ready to do it if you will confess you are an asshole after seeing it.. swami and bigbobs can be the judges.. what do you think??..

Swami and bigbobs...lololol...nah they aren't too biased  ::)

How about this...take a current pic with proof of date...post it....and let Getbig decide, like everybody else does
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
i dont agree with you johnny that nasser lacked any details from the side!!.. at his best he looked great from the side as he did from the front.. these 2 pics are from mr. olympia 96 and he was 280 pounds or 285 (cant remember exactly) and as you see he looked huge and detailed in a very good shape from the side!!..

I disagree I think like I said many times that be it the way he poses or whatever he's not the same imposing force from the sides as he was from the front and forget about the back , and the picture clearly illustrates that point , he's barely out sizing a 75-80lbs lighter Shawn Ray , he doesn't look that much bigger in this pose.

That my friend is why he placed behind Shawn Ray in this contest and in fact lost that placing due to the dirty test.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 11:13:14 AM
Great shots Sherief!  I think 96 Olympia Nasser would destroy anything presented on stage at the 2011 Olympia!  His "weak" side shots  ::)



Not weak per sa but just not the same imposing force from the side and forget about the back , he disappears from the side and looks much smaller than his weight suggests , another example

And he would get trampled by Heath from the sides and back , would be more competitive from the front to a point

Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 21, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
Not weak per sa but just not the same imposing force from the side and forget about the back , he disappears from the side and looks much smaller than his weight suggests , another example

And he would get trampled by Heath from the sides and back , would be more competitive from the front to a point



Great example, he looks 5 inches shorter than Fux even though in actuality they are the same height  ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: bigbobs on September 21, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
I disagree I think like I said many times that be it the way he poses or whatever he's not the same imposing force from the sides as he was from the front and forget about the back , and the picture clearly illustrates that point , he's barely out sizing a 75-80lbs lighter Shawn Ray , he doesn't look that much bigger in this pose.

That my friend is why he placed behind Shawn Ray in this contest and in fact lost that placing due to the dirty test.

Much of Shawn Ray's lower bodyweight is due to height.  And on the same "bodyweight" comparison you always make, Shawn's waist looks barely or no smaller than Nasser's in those two side poses despite Nasser being bigger.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
Great example, he looks 5 inches shorter than Fux even though in actuality they are the same height  ::)

I've posted many others where it's still the case , the above pic with Shawn Ray illustrates the point , Nasser just wasn't the same imposing force from the sides or back

This pic shows it again
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 11:56:44 AM
Much of Shawn Ray's lower bodyweight is due to height.  And on the same "bodyweight" comparison you always make, Shawn's waist looks barely or no smaller than Nasser's in those two side poses despite Nasser being bigger.


It's easier to hide a waist in profile and twisting  :-\ and Nasser was good at controlling his waist props to him for that but the fact remains , he's not the force he is from the front probably why he does the side-deltoid pose instead of the traditional side chest , he knows he looks smaller from the sides

I'm pretty sure he outweighed Taylor at least , yet it doesn't appear so
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 12:43:50 PM
I disagree I think like I said many times that be it the way he poses or whatever he's not the same imposing force from the sides as he was from the front and forget about the back , and the picture clearly illustrates that point , he's barely out sizing a 75-80lbs lighter Shawn Ray , he doesn't look that much bigger in this pose.

That my friend is why he placed behind Shawn Ray in this contest and in fact lost that placing due to the dirty test.

to not see how nasser is bigger than ray in these shots is your eyes problem!!..

by the way according to flex magazine (your bible) shawn was the same in 96 as in 95 while nasser was better in 96 than 95 so can you tell me how nasser had beaten ray in 95 then was beaten by him in 96?!!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
Not weak per sa but just not the same imposing force from the side and forget about the back , he disappears from the side and looks much smaller than his weight suggests , another example

And he would get trampled by Heath from the sides and back , would be more competitive from the front to a point



and sure you didnt notice that flex is close to the camera here!! :-X
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 21, 2011, 12:47:54 PM
Nah, if Nasser was still competing today he would have fucked up with overloading on Insulin and looking like a bloofy retard.  He doesn't have the same muscle bellies like Heath who filled out well. 

If Nasser didn't touch slin and just used META  and GH 15 IU a day as he describes in this Phase 1,2,3 and 4 posts then he would win.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 01:05:44 PM
These guy fkng crack me up....still arguing non-stop about contest placings almost 20 years ago....geezus H christ let it go already...he wasn't the best, and got placed accordingly
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
to not see how nasser is bigger than ray in these shots is your eyes problem!!..

by the way according to flex magazine (your bible) shawn was the same in 96 as in 95 while nasser was better in 96 than 95 so can you tell me how nasser had beaten ray in 95 then was beaten by him in 96?!!!..

It's not just Shawn as I pointed out , it's others and this is your response?  ::) sure he appears marginally larger than Ray , but my whole point is no like a man who is carrying 80 more pounds of muscular bulk should , he's not the same force from the side not to say he sucks but it's there , it's something you guys are more than willing to overlook but the judges didn't

I don't recall Flex saying Shawn was the same in 96 as he was in 95 , because the general consensus is Shawn Ray's two best career showings are 94 and 96 ( both years he beat Nasser ) and Flex magazine doesn't judge contests judges do  ;) the IFBB judging criteria is the bible and you are the infidel  :D  :P
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 21, 2011, 01:56:30 PM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: ChristopherA on September 21, 2011, 04:46:31 PM
This Khofo tool trying to sound like GH15, what a fucking tool. It's one thing for GH15 to type his gibberish but you fucking guys using his terms fella, Philinsulina, etc. What a joke. If GH15 said Phil was great, you would all being sucking Phil's dick. Khofo you weigh about 150lbs it looks like and are as narrow as my 4yr od son so you should sympathize with Phil. You probably do hope Nasser is GH15 then you could buy some of his soiled undies. Then you could drape them over your face while you yerk off to the "great" GH15.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: cephissus on September 21, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
i think khofo is one of the funniest posters on the board fwiw
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 21, 2011, 05:57:17 PM
BiG snbt
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
This Khofo tool trying to sound like GH15, what a fucking tool. It's one thing for GH15 to type his gibberish but you fucking #### using his terms fella, Philinsulina, etc. What a joke. If GH15 said Phil was great, you would all being sucking Phil's dick. Khofo you weigh about 150lbs it looks like and are as narrow as my 4yr od son so you should sympathize with Phil. You probably do hope Nasser is GH15 then you could buy some of his soiled undies. Then you could drape them over your face while you yerk off to the "great" GH15.

HaHAHAAHAHAAAAAaaaaaaa :D ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 21, 2011, 06:10:13 PM
Félla vS hiS Fléx wheeLér énemy
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 21, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
Félla vS hiS Fléx wheeLér énemy

Nasser wins one pose  :D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 21, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
Nasser is raping Flex in this front Double Bi!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: dogbowl on September 21, 2011, 06:40:19 PM
Nasser is raping Flex in this front Double Bi!

He beats practically everyone in that pose
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 06:51:48 PM
Nasser is raping Flex in this front Double Bi!

no he's not.....You are comparing filet mignon to hamburger. there is more hamburger .....big deal  ::)

Nasser lacked quality and detail, Flex had it in spades...that's why he pwned Nasser on a regular basis
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: King Shizzo on September 21, 2011, 06:54:28 PM
no he's not.....You are comparing filet mignon to hamburger. there is more hamburger .....big deal  ::)

Nasser lacked quality and detail, Flex had it in spades...that's why he pwned Nasser on a regular basis
Well if your going to get into a size debate, then I think Sean Ray is the best of all time.  All I heard was that he didn't have the size to compete with the "big boys"  so if we are rewarding "size" then Nasser is dwarfing Flex in that pic.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: dogbowl on September 21, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395592.0;attach=430735;image)

Flex Wheeler's taper always disappeared when he lifted his arms like this
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 07:48:16 PM
Well if your going to get into a size debate, then I think Sean Ray is the best of all time.  All I heard was that he didn't have the size to compete with the "big boys"  so if we are rewarding "size" then Nasser is dwarfing Flex in that pic.

I'm saying just the opposite you totem pole
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 21, 2011, 07:56:29 PM
Groink is addicted to Nasser threads
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: the_swami on September 21, 2011, 10:14:42 PM
really unbelievable that the haters will say Nasser was not superior from the side mandatories.

Nasser's side tri, side chest are prob next to Ronnie's side chest the best ever and prob Nasser's side tri is the best ever.

Nasser is extremely thick+ wide in the side poses- youd have to be completely unobjective to say this wasnt the case!
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 10:43:39 PM
Félla vS hiS Fléx wheeLér énemy

lol in the last pic. nasser is the farest to the camera but still looks bigger than flex and mike!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
Nasser LOSES one pose  :D

fixed for the blind parrot to see :-X
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 10:48:23 PM
Groink is addicted to Nasser threads
very true.. he always says "i got bored of nasser's threads" then you find him posting in every thread about the wizard..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Parker on September 21, 2011, 10:49:34 PM
Nasser is raping Flex in this front Double Bi!
not really, Flex's dramatic taper is shown...
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 10:55:11 PM
not really, Flex's dramatic taper is shown...

flex was great in this both when he was on but seriously no one touched/touches nasser in this both!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 11:00:31 PM
very true.. he always says "i got bored of nasser's threads" then you find him posting in every thread about the wizard..

Lately Ive been posting in them....um, so what ?
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 11:04:55 PM
Lately Ive been posting in them....um, so what ?

nothing.. on the contrary i want to see you in.. you add some fun by being proved wrong again and again :P
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: whitewidow on September 21, 2011, 11:08:44 PM
No.not even close. nasser would not of come close to winning I will say his abs were better though.phil has that odd 4 pack
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 11:15:11 PM
nothing.. on the contrary i want to see you in.. you add some fun by being proved wrong again and again :P

keep telling yourself that, my abless little friend  ;D

You see, myself and others who routinely own the nassholes.... have this little thing on our side of the argument called FACTS.

As much as you guys whine that Nasser was better in this pose, and had better bodyparts than that guy....he never won the big one, and all the arguing in the world ain't gonna change it  ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
keep telling yourself that, my abless little friend  ;D

You see, myself and others who routinely own the nassholes.... have this little thing on our side of the argument called FACTS.

As much as you guys whine that Nasser was better in this pose, and had better bodyparts than that guy....he never won the big one, and all the arguing in the world ain't gonna change it  ;D

come on big guy... you always say contradictory things about nasser.. one time you hate nasser and the other time you beg your friend alex23 to let you meet nasser. one time you say nasser has a shitty blocky shapeless physique then you say no one can say he is not one of the best ever!!...

i cant understand these love/hate feelings you have towards the wizard.. i feel you want to be another nasser in life but of course you cant so you hate him!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 11:34:17 PM
come on big guy... you always say contradictory things about nasser.. one time you hate nasser and the other time you beg your friend alex23 to let you meet nasser. one time you say nasser has a shitty blocky shapeless physique then you say no one can say he is not one of the best ever!!...

i cant understand these love/hate feelings you have towards the wizard.. i feel you want to be another nasser in life but of course you cant so you hate him!!..

LOLOLOL....when did i ever "beg' anyone to meet nasser ??

my EXACT words were.."I guess it would be cool to meet Nasser, probably has some interesting stories".......Not exactly "begging"  ;) ::) :D ::)

It would be interesting to meet Dorian, Ronnie or flex too....as a fan of BBing, why wouldn't you want to meet some of the legends of the sport ? but i wouldn't go out of my way....like for instance...fly across the country  ;)

He is one of the best ever, no one could ever dispute that, but he wasn't THE best....like you mongoloids insist  ;D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 21, 2011, 11:42:24 PM
LOLOLOL....when did i ever "beg' anyone to meet nasser ??

my EXACT words were.."I guess it would be cool to meet Nasser, probably has some interesting stories".......Not exactly "begging"  ;) ::) :D ::)

It would be interesting to meet Dorian, Ronnie or flex too....as a fan of BBing, why wouldn't you want to meet some of the legends of the sport ? but i wouldn't go out of my way....like for instance...fly across the country  ;)

He is one of the best ever, no one could ever dispute that, but he wasn't THE best....like you mongoloids insist  ;D

aside of all the exaggeration we do here for fun when i say my opinion i never exaggerate.. i never said that nasser deserved to win on 1995 for example!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 21, 2011, 11:45:58 PM
aside of all the exaggeration we do here for fun when i say my opinion i never exaggerate.. i never said that nasser deserved to win on 1995 for example!!..

he never deserved to win ever...his back looked like a piece of ham left in the microwave too long  ;D :D
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 21, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
hahaha Groink owns that man-loving munchkin.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 22, 2011, 12:15:36 AM
hahaha Groink owns that man-loving munchkin.

like gronk and you too are a constant poster in all nasser's threads but the difference is that he is somehow funny while you are very boring and stupid..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 22, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
like gronk and you too are a constant poster in all nasser's threads but the difference is that he is somehow funny while you are very boring and stupid..
hahaha  :D yes you know, im trying my best to look funny and clever to you.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Parker on September 22, 2011, 12:29:51 AM
flex was great in this both when he was on but seriously no one touched/touches nasser in this both!!..
Nasser had a average V-taper, and held his arms up too high
due to Flex's small waist---his average lats made a more dramatic V taper
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Meso_z on September 22, 2011, 12:33:33 AM
like gronk and you too are a constant poster in all nasser's threads but the difference is that he is somehow funny while you are very boring and stupid..
Oh, and im not a "hater".  ::)

Your carry the brains of a 10 yr old...thinking Nasser is your hero and someone, somehow tries to "steal" that action figure from you..

Grow the fuck up retard. I dont have a problem with Nasser, one of my fav bbers, I have a problem with YOU, you stupid sack of shit.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: closeline on September 22, 2011, 01:23:33 AM
nasser s best was at the 1994 NOC if you prefer the less massive/insulin version or at the 1996 olympia if you prefer the heavier bodytype after insulin blow up (back detail was gone)

since 1997 it was going gradually downhill (angry/bitter, biceps tear, oil...)

there should be no dicussion about that

i never liked his stage showings, because of his kind o presentation and generall bodytype (short limbs, long torso, not streamlines muscles)

his training till 1996 was fun to watch (1996 BTFO is one of the greatest trainings vids i ve ever seen)

all in all i thing he was the first mass monster insulin meagdoser



to answer the initial question

HE LOOKS QUITE THE SAME AS GOOD AS HEATH, just another bodytype


both  can t keep up with flex or ronnie or yates or haney
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 22, 2011, 01:46:08 AM
fixed for the blind parrot to see :-X


Who won the contest blind parrot?  ;) Nasser only loses one pose yet can't win the contest  :D

Thanks for playing kid  ;) facts are never are your side.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 22, 2011, 04:24:50 AM
snbt vs hiS  énemys
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 22, 2011, 04:27:23 AM
 LiaR priéSt
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 22, 2011, 04:32:49 AM
LiaR priéSt

nasser's shoulders are nearly double dorian's in size and also look better :o
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 22, 2011, 04:33:40 AM
Snb with his friénDs
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 22, 2011, 04:35:06 AM
nasser's shoulders are nearly double dorian's in size and also look better :o

LiaR is naRRow like insulin
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Bam-bam on September 22, 2011, 04:35:34 AM
nasser's shoulders are nearly double dorian's in size and also look better :o

Dorians delts sucked from the front, plain and simple. They were small, flat and had zero pop to it. But thats just one more iten of the Dorians flaws lists that you never see ND talking about.
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 22, 2011, 04:45:15 AM
Dorians delts sucked from the front, plain and simple. They were small, flat and had zero pop to it. But thats just one iten in the Dorians flaws lists that you never see ND talking about.

ND cant talk about this beacsue it was never mentioned in flex magazine!!..
Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Khofo on September 22, 2011, 04:54:54 AM
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Title: Re: Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?
Post by: Mr.1derful on September 22, 2011, 05:02:04 AM
Dorians delts sucked from the front, plain and simple. They were small, flat and had zero pop to it. But thats just one more iten of the Dorians flaws lists that you never see ND talking about.

Indeed, if only Dorian had opted for the use of synthol like the Wizard, he might have won an Olympia or two.  What a shame.