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Chris Cormier, Ronnie Coleman, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler at 1999 Mr. Olympia
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Last.
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I predict 5th to 7th.
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Last.
X2.
WOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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behind Ronnie or Flex
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Second.
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1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
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behind Ronnie and Flex
Fixed.
1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
Exactly
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1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
Flex was smooth and would also get outmuscled by Phil, so would get beaten. Only Ronnie has the size and conditioning to beat PH in that lineup.
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1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
Flex may have a better and probably bigger physique than Phil, but Phil is much more shredded than him
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Flex shouldn't have placed second that year. He was oily as hell. Cormier was much better than him and deserved second. Cormier that day was at his best and better than Phil will ever be. Flex was never better than in '93 (have a look at the Ironman from that year).
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In ten Olympia shows against each other - Does Ronnie beat Phil TEN times?
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Flex was smooth and would also get outmuscled by Phil, so would get beaten. Only Ronnie has the size and conditioning to beat PH in that lineup.
could be ???
i'm thinking with the insulin and today's regimes flex "wow factor" would clean house against phil, esp since flex played with 245-250 10 yrs ago. it's easy to see ronnie would devastate phil. blowing out his shoulders as he has done still isn't a enough for a taller and 270 or so ronnie
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In ten Olympia shows against each other - Does Ronnie beat Phil TEN times?
i think ronnie gets him 10 times in the O but i think phi could pick ronnie off at the arnold like gunther did at a gnc show.
? if jay had been anything near 2009, would they have placed him over phil's all-time best in 2011?
bbing is all illusion and phil looks like a normal dude in clothes while ronnie looks like a monster.
ronnie off just showing up for a check and phil at his best ever, i guess.
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could be ???
i'm thinking with the insulin and today's regimes flex "wow factor" would clean house against phil, esp since flex played with 245-250 10 yrs ago. it's easy to see ronnie would devastate phil. blowing out his shoulders as he has done still isn't a enough for a taller and 270 or so ronnie
If you wish to argue like that. I was talking merely placing PH in that lineup as they were. A very conditioned Flex like in the 93/98 AC might have a chance, but not the "smooth" guy in the 99 Olympia.
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I predict 5th to 7th.
My guess exactly...
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1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
Chris came third that year, he beat Ray, and Kevin, so by Phil competing Chris all of a sudden will lose to Ray and Kevin? according to your post above....please explain ???
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My guess exactly...
Behind Nasser, of course...
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Second definitely.
At a long shot would maybe have beaten Ronnie that year but I would probably be in the minority with that opinion.
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I for one liked Flex's 99 showing and that year he had best posing routine seen on Olympia stage. Always enjoyed his cocky attitude and self-confident demeanor.
As for Phil's chances on 99 line-up. I think he would've beaten Nasser who was sixth. Ronnie and Flex were way of his league(sorry kiwi). Somewhere between 3-6. Hard to say because of different lightning.
My personal taste... sixth place for Dr. Philsulin :P
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in that pic showed there 2nd or 3rd.
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second
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Good question. Phil is a tough one to place because he has full, polished muscle sitting on a less than stellar frame. I'd have,
1. Ronnie
2. Chris
3. Phil
4. Flex
5. Kevin
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Phil would destroy Flex
I don't care what you tiny tits say 8)
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Good question. Phil is a tough one to place because he has full, polished muscle sitting on a less than stellar frame. I'd have,
1. Ronnie
2. Chris
3. Phil
4. Flex
5. Kevin
X2.
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Good question. Phil is a tough one to place because he has full, polished muscle sitting on a less than stellar frame. I'd have,
1. Ronnie
2. Chris
3. Phil
4. Flex
5. Kevin
Yes that is a good way to describe Phil. Differences in lighting and picture quality make it difficult. I would have him seventh due to his structural issues and taper but he would be top three by judging standards.
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Phil would destroy Flex
I don't care what you tiny tits say 8)
He would crush Flex on stage.
Only bpart Flex has over Phil is his abs and their backs would be draw...everything else gets owned badly. So, Phil 2nd to Ronnie.
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1st you have to put those guys on phil's drug regime.
1 Ronnie - you realize phil is much smaller than jay and ronnie dwarfed jay in the beginning
2 Flex - better structure than phil
3 Phil - outwork the rest but clavicles and shape kill him vs 1 and 2
4 Kevin - Phil has a better back, and backs counted back than
5 Ray - wouldn't up the size to compete with phil
6 Chris - too busy with the cell phn and getting high but better structure than phil
yea, they would reach a ripped 350 pounds bodyweight. ::) ::) ::)
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He would crush Flex on stage.
Only bpart Flex has over Phil is his abs and their backs would be draw...everything else gets owned badly. So, Phil 2nd to Ronnie.
His lines and structure are a lot better.
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i believe Phil can be second !
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Def 2nd. He looks better than 99 synthol wheeler.
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Better than Wheeler but not as good as Cormier that year.
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Phil would destroy Flex
I don't care what you tiny tits say 8)
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there's a 10+ yr diffence, and flex looks just as good. put flex wheeler on that prescribed shit keri culter got phil and jay on instead of that venice beach junk (that's reason he lost an organ) 10 yrs later, and flex cleans the floor with phil.
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What about Jay at his very best (2001,2002?) vs. Phil?
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yeah but that's not even a pose
compare every pose side by side: Philsulin destroys flex
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there's a 10+ yr diffence, and flex looks just as good. put flex wheeler on that prescribed shit keri culter got phil and jay on instead of that venice beach junk 10 yrs later, and flex cleans the floor with phil.
Flex deserve respects, guys. he was called the "sultan of symmetry" for a reason. this picture of both past and present show clearly that it would be a battle between those two if they would be on stage together
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there's a 10+ yr diffence, and flex looks just as good. put flex wheeler on that prescribed shit keri culter got phil and jay on instead of that venice beach junk (that's reason he lost an organ) 10 yrs later, and flex cleans the floor with phil.
Its actually the exact opposite...
"back then" they had the best gear around. all legit. HG and VET GRADE. straight from the source.
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yeah but that's not even a pose
compare every pose side by side: Philsulin destroys flex
I believe in my opinion that Ken wheeler had the best rear double biceps in his day until Ronnie start destroying people.......
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yeah but that's not even a pose
compare every pose side by side: Philsulin destroys flex
? ???
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I believe in my opinion that Ken wheeler had the best rear double biceps in his day until Ronnie start destroying people.......
check his smooth legs in the rear double bi
rear double bi is more than just the upper body
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? ???
damn, cutler once looked good.
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check his smooth legs in the rear double bi
rear double bi is more than just the upper body
+1
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Its actually the exact opposite...
"back then" they had the best gear around. all legit. HG and VET GRADE. straight from the source.
GUYS WERE EXPERIMENTING ON FLEX IN VENICE, AND THIS IS A KNOWN. KERI CULTER IS A NP, CAN WRITE A PRESCRIPTION BUT SHE NEEDS A DO OR MD TO SIGN OFF. WORKING FOR ONE OF THE BEST IN VEGAS, SHE DAMN SURE CAN GET PHIL AND JAY'S PRESCRIPTIONS FILLED WITH THE BEST PHARMA HAS TO OFFER. AND NEVER MISSES ON THEIR LAB WORK UNLIKE FLEX WHO WASN'T GETTING CHECKED OUT.
AND YOU WERE SAYING?
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damn, cutler once looked good.
I think 2001 Cutler would have beaten Phil.
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Chris Cormier, Ronnie Coleman, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler at 1999 Mr. Olympia
Second behind Ronnie and above syntholed Flex
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Come on Rob, one shot? Phil beats 99 wheeler on conditioning alone. Hes just as big with better hamstrings, and slightly better back shots...Phil is better than 99 Flex, prove me wrong with actual video like Flex's 99 O routine vs Phils 11 O routine.
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Solid Second.
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Come on Rob, one shot? Phil beats 99 wheeler on conditioning alone. Hes just as big with better hamstrings, and slightly better back shots...Phil is better than 99 Flex, prove me wrong with actual video like Flex's 99 O routine vs Phils 11 O routine.
1. FLEX HAS TO BE EVOLVED TO TODAY'S STANDARDS
2. FLEX WENT SUPER BIG CHASING COLEMEN, DOESN;T HAVE TO DO THAT GAME WITH PHIL.
3. EVEN 99 VS 11, HE IS STILL A MORE ATTRACTIVE BBER THAN PHIL, JUST PHIL HAS INSULIN WARFARE AND A DOZEN DONUTS ON HIS SIDE.
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1. FLEX HAS TO BE EVOLVED TO TODAY'S STANDARDS
2. FLEX WENT SUPER BIG CHASING COLEMEN, DOESN;T HAVE TO DO THAT GAME WITH PHIL.
3. EVEN 99 VS 11, HE IS STILL A MORE ATTRACTIVE BBER THAN PHIL, JUST PHIL HAS INSULIN WARFARE AND A DOZEN DONUTS ON HIS SIDE.
Hahahahahahaha evolved? Says who? This is a straight up one on one comparison.
Quit making excuses for Flex, yeah Flexs shape is prettier, thats it based on jow contests are judged, Phil would win this show...there is no arguing it.
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Hahahahahahaha evolved? Says who? This is a straight up one on one comparison.
Quit making excuses for Flex, yeah Flexs shape is prettier, thats it based on jow contests are judged, Phil would win this show...there is no arguing it.
under the current drug regimes, phil would kill haney under his old rules. put haney on ronnie stacks, and phil gets lawn mowed. all i'm saying, is give flex the insulin and gh or whatever the fuck blow phil up like that in 6 yrs by today's standards.
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under the current drug regimes, phil would kill haney under his old rules. put haney on ronnie stacks, and phil gets lawn mowed. all i'm saying, is give flex the insulin and gh or whatever the fuck blow phil up like that in 6 yrs by today's standards.
No one gives a shit but you about evolving and drug regimes. You making excuses for Flex...He has the prettier physique but never came in Olympia condition outside 93....his fault...only compare what is not what youd like...
Phil wins better condition, shredded hammies
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No one gives a shit but you about evolving and drug regimes. You making excuses for Flex...He has the prettier physique but never came in Olympia condition outside 93....his fault...only compare what is not what youd like...
Phil wins better condition, shredded hammies
Better condition than 99 and better hams and calves to boot
Phil has less flaws than Flex
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And btw, flex was on a shitload of slin in 99 in addition to everything else...Phil wins
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And btw, flex was on a shitload of slin in 99 in addition to everything else...Phil wins
when the fuck did you get off the kai wagon ???
shouldn't you be bitching about kai not getting 2nd?
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check his smooth legs in the rear double bi
rear double bi is more than just the upper body
I agree his hams/glutes tie-ins were not that great in some year, but there were times when wheeler was near perfect physique
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when the fuck did you get off the kai wagon ???
shouldn't you be bitching about kai not getting 2nd?
This isnt about Kai this is about Phil and comparing him to legends...Kai has nothing to do with this...stay on point.
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His lines and structure are a lot better.
And that there is what would give Flex the nod over Phil. Flex's shape, look at his taper in the FDB vs Phil's...plus, there is the Flex Wheeler "mystique" as Chris Cormier calls it.
Flex can get in your head, the way he poses, how he is on stage...Phil comes in hard, but he lacks that dramatic taper and shape.
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Flex Wheeler still have a better and probably bigger physique than Phil but condition may be the principal criteria to win a show.
If Kai was in perfect shape at the Mr O, he could have been Mr Olympia. So I think judges would favour a guy like Phil against a 80% Flex Wheeler.
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there's a 10+ yr diffence, and flex looks just as good. put flex wheeler on that prescribed shit keri culter got phil and jay on instead of that venice beach junk (that's reason he lost an organ) 10 yrs later, and flex cleans the floor with phil.
::) to act like phil has access to better drugs than flex is just plain fucking stupid. if anything, its the other way around.
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And that there is what would give Flex the nod over Phil. Flex's shape, look at his taper in the FDB vs Phil's...plus, there is the Flex Wheeler "mystique" as Chris Cormier calls it.
Flex can get in your head, the way he poses, how he is on stage...Phil comes in hard, but he lacks that dramatic taper and shape.
Lmao, you get a fail today also, Dorian, Ronnie, Jay..........now look at this, Flex, Shawn, Kevin.....whih group has better lines and which has Olympias....Olympia is not about better lines and hasnt been since the late 80s early 90s...Flex could pose like a ballerina and he wouldnt get the nod over phil this year...Posing....lol...w hy do you think its not scored now? Answer: cause it was never.scored before.
Look at how the judging trends go...Flex wouldnt beat heath unless he came in better condition and we know how that went.
OLYMPIA WINNER IS NOT ABOUT SHAPE...LOOK AT PAST RESULTS TO VERIFY MY POINT. PHIL is the first Mr O outside 98 and 99 Ronnie to be big and have decent shape and great size...There is no arguing this.
No Parker, Wheeler would lose AGAIN....Waterlogged hammies and lack of Mr.O conditioining.
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Lmao, you get a fail today also, Dorian, Ronnie, Jay..........now look at this, Flex, Shawn, Kevin.....whih group has better lines and which has Olympias....Olympia is not about better lines and hasnt been since the late 80s early 90s...Flex could pose like a ballerina and he wouldnt get the nod over phil this year...Posing....lol...w hy do you think its not scored now? Answer: cause it was never.scored before.
Look at how the judging trends go...Flex wouldnt beat heath unless he came in better condition and we know how that went.
OLYMPIA WINNER IS NOT ABOUT SHAPE...LOOK AT PAST RESULTS TO VERIFY MY POINT. PHIL is the first Mr O outside 98 and 99 Ronnie to be big and have decent shape and great size...There is no arguing this.
No Parker, Wheeler would lose AGAIN....Waterlogged hammies and lack of Mr.O conditioining.
it's a little hard to wrestle an olympia away from ronnie and yates vs cutler. if i remember, little bitty dex took one from him. phil came along at the right time.
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I'd give Phil 3rd in 99'.
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And that there is what would give Flex the nod over Phil. Flex's shape, look at his taper in the FDB vs Phil's...plus, there is the Flex Wheeler "mystique" as Chris Cormier calls it.
Flex can get in your head, the way he poses, how he is on stage...Phil comes in hard, but he lacks that dramatic taper and shape.
Bro, Wiggs has zero ability judging lines based on his previous assessments on certain physiques, like Kai for example, 9 out of 10 because freaky size, thickness and shredded conditioning and some crazy bodyparts that stand out, but horrible lines. Flex has better, way better lines then Phil, possibly better then Dex, who both have the ability of beating guys 40lb heavier. Flex would win, but Phil would come close cause his glutes and hams, Flex's back are equal and Flex would utterly destroy him from the front, better V-taper and his chest wouldn't ruin some of his shots like the way Phil's chest ruins some of his shots cause it's so narrow, like the front lat spread, horrible looking chest in that shot
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Phil would be a strong 2nd just behind king Ronnie.
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Bro, Wiggs has zero ability judging lines based on his previous assessments on certain physiques, like Kai for example, 9 out of 10 because freaky size, thickness and shredded conditioning and some crazy bodyparts that stand out, but horrible lines. Flex has better, way better lines then Phil, possibly better then Dex, who both have the ability of beating guys 40lb heavier. Flex would win, but Phil would come close cause his glutes and hams, Flex's back are equal and Flex would utterly destroy him from the front, better V-taper and his chest wouldn't ruin some of his shots like the way Phil's chest ruins some of his shots cause it's so narrow, like the front lat spread, horrible looking chest in that shot
Wrong. Reread what i posted until you understand it.
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1st
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I love Heath, but 12-14th on a good day, maybe 18th
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Bro, Wiggs has zero ability judging lines based on his previous assessments on certain physiques, like Kai for example, 9 out of 10 because freaky size, thickness and shredded conditioning and some crazy bodyparts that stand out, but horrible lines. Flex has better, way better lines then Phil, possibly better then Dex, who both have the ability of beating guys 40lb heavier. Flex would win, but Phil would come close cause his glutes and hams, Flex's back are equal and Flex would utterly destroy him from the front, better V-taper and his chest wouldn't ruin some of his shots like the way Phil's chest ruins some of his shots cause it's so narrow, like the front lat spread, horrible looking chest in that shot
I agree with you about Flex beating Phil from the front , this is where Flex has the clear advantage. Flex at his best and Phil at his best would be VERY close in my opinion.
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See the problem.is you guys are judging based on what you like and not how judges, judge...this is where u are wrong...
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See the problem.is you guys are judging based on what you like and not how judges, judge...this is where u are wrong...
Hahahahahahaha I've been saying this for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS lol
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Hahahahahahaha I've been saying this for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS lol
Sorry man never noticed....Ronnies best vs Dorians best, Ronnie still wins...and i like them both. ;D
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Sorry man never noticed....Ronnies best vs Dorians best, Ronnie still wins...and i like them both. ;D
I think the criteria favors Dorian and I like Ronnie to , but the criteria favors Yates.
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I think the criteria favors Dorian and I like Ronnie to , but the criteria favors Yates.
What do you believe to be Yates best?
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What do you believe to be Yates best?
I don't wanna hi-jack this thread.
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I don't wanna hi-jack this thread.
Just say it man.Ronnie 98 or 01 AC...on stage not your backstage look his gut shit...On stage...so, what year for yates? I say 93 or 95 O
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I don't see what everyone's problem is with Heath. Greatest of all time imo. Just look at him standing here so dominant.
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Just say it man.Ronnie 98 or 01 AC...on stage not your backstage look his gut shit...On stage...so, what year for yates? I say 93 or 95 O
93 or 95