Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TRIX on September 20, 2011, 02:30:22 AM
-
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317851)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317850)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317847)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317849)
starting to get that grainy look
-
8)
-
NO! Ronnie kills heath when coming to arm size. a 100% ronnie would make phil look tiny! thats just high doses of HGH+ insulin blowing the muscle up. ronnie has a better natural foundation and then when on the same drugs just has an insane more natural looking peak. Phils triceps are huge though! still too balooney looking all insulin balooning the muscle up. dont get me wrong he has great arms but the drugs really push them into overdrive. gives them that cartoon look. Ronnie would stomp this kid in his prime! Phil has made the most improvements since going pro. he is not as narrow as he once was and I like the size of his forarms. He still is short
4 abs! in most shots he has 4 good abs, some pros have 8 packs phil just has 4 big abs. I think he blew everyone at the olympia away though! not much competition out there since ronnie retired. its not the early 90's anymore where there was some stiff competition.Ronnie had garden hose veins! Phil dosn't come close to ronnie but he def swept this olympia easily!
-
8)
Now there is one thick freaky guy muscle on top of muscle marco slovainan. too bad his health went to shit!
-
To be honest I'd prefer my arms to look like Heath's than Colemans.
-
To be honest I'd prefer my arms to look like Heath's than Colemans.
I think I would to. ronnie is just over the top when he is 100% . that would be dope to walk around with a pair of arms like that if only he had a dexter jackson mid-section and a dorian back that would be perfection
-
8)
-
To be honest I'd prefer my arms to look like Heath's than Colemans.
X2
-
wrong. ronnie destroys him.
-
8)
ronnie cant even come close to phils detail... forearms, triceps, phil narrow heath has the best (not biggest) arms of all time
-
great forearms, even relaxed, those things are freaky
-
ronnie cant even come close to phils detail... forearms, triceps, phil narrow heath has the best (not biggest) arms of all time
Oh you are sooooo trolling....
-
where phils arms are made of marsmellows , rons arms are made of steel.
-
you forget about this guy
(http://www.rippedworkouts.guy-huge-arms.jpg)
-
you forget about this guy
(http://www.rippedworkouts.guy-huge-arms.jpg)
::)
-
philsulina arms are full of seo ...atleast 1-1.5 inches on those arms is seo ,, basicaly since he got up to 19.5 inch he used seo to get up to 20.5...he is not 22 inch competition and he is not even REMOTELY close to rons arms what are you nuts? he has oil in those arms,,both oil and and! the water sit injection that some use now days,,also he lack the freakiness its just mass bulk of lean mass but no freakiness to the arm
ron had 2 inch on him and much more genetic freakiness as in shape....
this is unbelivable the philsulina and generation nothingness love affair
gh15 approved
-
Rather have Phils arms tbh, I like the lines better.
-
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/Sxd7qPOSJSI/AAAAAAAADWY/hdh5z_e2WuQ/s1600/2004-mr-olympia-147_20090831_1033644532.jpg)
-
notice rons arms...ONLY MUSCLE ,, no oil! only fibricious muscle,, this is no seo this is no nothing but MUSCLE on those arms,, no one will match this ,, and! philsulina and anyother profesional now day has oil in their arms ,, most of them have oil in their arms,, ron never did it ,, you can see the arm is shaped like normal arm only big big muscle! ,, legit muscle
gh15 approved
-
philsulina arms are full of seo ...atleast 1-1.5 inches on those arms is seo ,, basicaly since he got up to 19.5 inch he used seo to get up to 20.5...he is not 22 inch competition and he is not even REMOTELY close to rons arms what are you nuts? he has oil in those arms,,both oil and and! the water sit injection that some use now days,,also he lack the freakiness its just mass bulk of lean mass but no freakiness to the arm
ron had 2 inch on him and much more genetic freakiness as in shape....
this is unbelivable the philsulina and generation nothingness love affair
gh15 approved
Is Phil the most gifted seo user you've ever seen? He keeps a clean, separated look to his muscles, so if he's using oil, he must know something the other guys don't.
-
(http://www.gorillawear.com/website/images/stories/News/Big_Dann_Hill_Gorilla_Wear_newest_face/big_dan_hill_contracted_sign_gorilla_wear_214.jpg)
-
Rather have Phils arms tbh, I like the lines better.
phil has a good everyday physique like flex if want to walk around.
coleman and yates have bbing physiques.
-
Nah man..as much as I like our new Mr. Olympia...he simply cant touch Ronnies freakiness..not yet.
Couple Ronnies relaxed shots..showing his arms.
-
philsulina arms are full of seo ...atleast 1-1.5 inches on those arms is seo ,, basicaly since he got up to 19.5 inch he used seo to get up to 20.5...he is not 22 inch competition and he is not even REMOTELY close to rons arms what are you nuts? he has oil in those arms,,both oil and and! the water sit injection that some use now days,,also he lack the freakiness its just mass bulk of lean mass but no freakiness to the arm
ron had 2 inch on him and much more genetic freakiness as in shape....
this is unbelivable the philsulina and generation nothingness love affair
gh15 approved
Phil does not have any oil in his arm apart from speculation can you provide any real proof that he has oil in his arms I do not think you can. Now ronnie is one of the greatest no doubt but he was a over the top freak most average dudes would not want to look like that, now phil has a bodybuilding look that is more pleasing to the eye, most average dudes would want to look like him, now when you combine that with his good looks and intelligence. he is as close to mainstream as a mr olympia is going to get.
-
philsulina arms are full of seo ...atleast 1-1.5 inches on those arms is seo ,, basicaly since he got up to 19.5 inch he used seo to get up to 20.5...he is not 22 inch competition and he is not even REMOTELY close to rons arms what are you nuts? he has oil in those arms,,both oil and and! the water sit injection that some use now days,,also he lack the freakiness its just mass bulk of lean mass but no freakiness to the arm
ron had 2 inch on him and much more genetic freakiness as in shape....
this is unbelivable the philsulina and generation nothingness love affair
gh15 approved
You're so full of shit. There is no evidence of oil in Heath's appearance.
-
Foundation was good too - Here he is as a teenager
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=phil+heath&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=JNWzXAJ3mYMNfM:&imgrefurl=http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2011/06/du-alum-phil-heath-is-world-class.html&docid=m1zvohncZ70LnM&w=450&h=486&ei=VqV4TveZEIih8QOLvJGXDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=564&vpy=298&dur=1281&hovh=233&hovw=216&tx=117&ty=135&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=124&start=0&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:20,s:0
-
philsulina arms are full of seo ...atleast 1-1.5 inches on those arms is seo ,, basicaly since he got up to 19.5 inch he used seo to get up to 20.5...he is not 22 inch competition and he is not even REMOTELY close to rons arms what are you nuts? he has oil in those arms,,both oil and and! the water sit injection that some use now days,,also he lack the freakiness its just mass bulk of lean mass but no freakiness to the arm
ron had 2 inch on him and much more genetic freakiness as in shape....
this is unbelivable the philsulina and generation nothingness love affair
gh15 approved
Some guys have big calves..others big chest, while others freaky abs and so on.
Heath happens to have amazing arm genetics, whats the problem here?
-
You're so full of shit. There is no evidence of oil in Heath's appearance.
x 1,000,000........I'm so tired of "Getbig's god of hormones"
-
x 1,000,000........I'm so tired of "Getbig's god of hormones"
Anyone with an ounce of bodybuilding knowledge can see every muscle fibre when Heath flexes. that just wouldn't be the case with oil present coz you can't fuckin flex it!
-
SWEET BABY JESUS!!! will you dumb fucks stop comparing phil to ronnie!
listen closely assclowns.... ronnie coleman is and was and will always be the best bodybuilder to ever walk the face of the earth...BAR NONE!
-
If you guys don't think Phil has SEO in those arms, you're simply blind. Jay Cutler too and yes you can see his muscle fibers as well. That's because with good SEO application, the oil goes INSIDE the muscle and blows it up from within, but the fibers can still press to skin just fine. Poor SEO application is when you see the crappy oil look that shines through and the muscle doesn't look like it can flex.
The best way to really see the difference between conditioned muscle and muscle size that is blown up from within muscle has little to no striations! Look at Heaths quads! Seperated yes! In condition, yes! Striated????? NOOOO!!!!! Look at Cutler, Branch, Dexter, and even Wolf to some degree... when they are in top shape, you see striations!! Kai, Striations! This is because those guys have some foundation! Not on Phil though and I have a feeling you never will!
-
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317851)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317850)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317847)
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317849)
starting to get that grainy look
The guy has no brachialis whatsoever ..like if they were romoved from his arms , yet some folks see a huge arm ripped and its the best ever.
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
-
If you guys don't think Phil has SEO in those arms, you're simply blind. Jay Cutler too and yes you can see his muscle fibers as well. That's because with good SEO application, the oil goes INSIDE the muscle and blows it up from within, but the fibers can still press to skin just fine. Poor SEO application is when you see the crappy oil look that shines through and the muscle doesn't look like it can flex.
The best way to really see the difference between conditioned muscle and muscle size that is blown up from within muscle has little to no striations! Look at Heaths quads! Seperated yes! In condition, yes! Striated????? NOOOO!!!!! Look at Cutler, Branch, Dexter, and even Wolf to some degree... when they are in top shape, you see striations!! Kai, Striations! This is because those guys have some foundation! Not on Phil though and I have a feeling you never will!
Killed your own argument as the striations are on the outside of the muscle. They are also genetic so some guys just never have them. If you look at Heaths triceps he DOES have striations there. Look at Heath in all poses and theres no fuckin way there is oil in there. The muscles all flex as they should. Accept the fact that the dude is a freak. End of..
-
Ronnie was a bit bigger than Jay, who is a bit bigger than Phil.
Sure, Phil looks gigantic after pigging out and in a extra-medium tShirt.
Next to coleman onstage? no chance.
-
The guy has no brachialis whatsoever ..like if they were romoved from his arms , yet some folks see a huge arm ripped and its the best ever.
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHH
Another fuckin moron! you can see his brachialis in all these shots!!! I can't be bothered to load up any of his other pics as you're just not looking. He has them in nearly every pose!
-
You guys are so blind, you let his temporary post olympia condition fool you into thinking he's something he's not, ronnie can't be touched, was a perfect storm of a bodybuilder... did not take narcotics (didt abuse them anyway), he trains perfect weight and perfect form, he had both density and width, he had wide shoulers small waste, both his thighs and his arms had inches on the competition, he looked freaky from front AND back, for his size he had great condition, these pics of heath are an illusion not only because of SEO but because his small torso makes his arms look bigger than they are
-
Another fuckin moron! you can see his brachialis in all these shots!!! I can't be bothered to load up any of his other pics as you're just not looking. He has them in nearly every pose!
Thanks, but I can see the gap and then the tricep in those pictures ....... so dont bother .
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
-
Liar Priest best arms.
-
Thanks, but I can see the gap and then the tricep in those pictures ....... so dont bother .
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Yeh and that big lump of muscle in that gap is what?? ::)
Maybe this shot will show you he does have them!
-
and btw not saying the pics of him in a t-shirt arent impressive, gh15 will get a chubby looking at them to lol, then he'll relax and post his usual criticisms, never the less he no ronnie
-
Yeh and that big lump of muscle in that gap is what?> ::)
Its called the BRACHIORADIALIS the upper forearm muscle that goes up his tricep where the brachialis (outer head of the bicep) should be, In Phil's case its a defect but thanks to all the drugs and lack of quality competition he can get away with it.....
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317849)
You can look it up in a muscle chart if youre still confused.
WOOOSSSSSHHHHHHH
-
and btw not saying the pics of him in a t-shirt arent impressive, gh15 will get a chubby looking at them to lol, then he'll relax and post his usual criticisms, never the less he no ronnie
Bottom line is that Phil Heath is pretty much as good as he'll ever be, he's built just about every muscle to the max and he dielled in his conditioning at the weekend and was a worthy winner. Easy for wannabe's with 50 pounds less muscle than him to sit behind their computer screens and slag him off. You would all swap your bodies for his!
No he isn't as genetically gifted as Ronnie but Ronnie is old and done!
Phil currently has a couple of guys in his genetic league to worry about over the next couple of years, but until another Ronnie comes along, he (Ronnie) remains the best in history when at his prime.
-
Yes but who has the bigger negroid nose? ???
-
Its called the BRACHIORADIALIS the upper forearm muscle that goes up his tricep where the brachialis (outer head of the bicep) should be, In Phil's case its a defect but thanks to all the drugs and lack of quality competition he can get away with it.....
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317849)
You can look it up in a muscle chart if youre still confused.
WOOOSSSSSHHHHHHH
You take being an un-educated dick to the next level. Phil's is just slightly developed ::)
Here is a diagram for you mate
-
Bottom line is that Phil Heath is pretty much as good as he'll ever be, he's built just about every muscle to the max and he dielled in his conditioning at the weekend and was a worthy winner. Easy for wannabe's with 50 pounds less muscle than him to sit behind their computer screens and slag him off. You would all swap your bodies for his!
No he isn't as genetically gifted as Ronnie but Ronnie is old and done!
Phil currently has a couple of guys in his genetic league to worry about over the next couple of years, but until another Ronnie comes along, he remains the best in history when at his prime.
WHy do you say he's no ronnie then you say he's the best ever in his prime, he is better than jason and warren and that's it, put those arms on ronnie in his prime and you will ask yourself wtf happened to ronnie he used to be the best
-
WHy do you say he's no ronnie then you say he's the best ever in his prime, he is better than jason and warren and that's it, put those arms on ronnie in his prime and you will ask yourself wtf happened to ronnie he used to be the best
Ronnie was the best in his prime. Just the way you choose to read it. Phil isn't as genetically gifted as Ronnie. Nobody is so far.
-
Ronnie was the best in his prime. Just the way you choose to read it. Phil isn't as genetically gifted as Ronnie. Nobody is so far.
Ok so you understand that ronnie is the best ever and not phil, you just like to say crazy things lol, and btw ronnie was th ebest ever, this seperation of "best ever" and "genetically best ever" is loltarded
-
Olympia 2000 was one of the shittiest O:s ever. Everybody showed serious signs of SEO. Ronnies calves clearly had something in there. That dude who almost died Orville Burke must have been one of the biggest oil users in history! Biceps, Triceps, Shoulders, Calves, Quads and lats i´m sure too. To do oil in vastus lateralis you need to do atleast 7 injections all over the sweep 1-3 ml per shot. I´ve done SEO myself and Nolotil too... Nolotil looks better, like esiclene, SEO can be done in biceps and calves to gain 1-1,5 inch, not more. I guess back then that shit was new and people thought they could create whole musclegroups with it (Milos...). Big A says you need to shoot both heads of bis for example, varying sites and also depth. Trevor Smith said you should only do it in the biceps peak...and doing it that way looks like shit. I think the best thing to do for those 2 extra inches and make it look good, is great foundation to begin with. Then site inject something like test prop in there for temp. swelling and before a show do some Nolotil. Flex was a really big user of it, and admitted so himself. People were like "ohh my god I would never have thought that!". Look at some of his training videos from his later years esp. and it´s obvious as hell. Biceps, triceps, calves, all 3 heads of delts... I see SEO as cheating because then "the sky is the limit" on how much your arms can grow. But some prop and nolotil/esiclene in there have been done foreever. Jays arm this year looked like a fucked up Nolotil injection, because it almost went away the next day... Phil have done his very very good. You can´t do forearms and he must have some of the biggest forearms in BB history. They match his upper arms. He might be the biggest blowup insulina freak out there but not SEO. Back at mr SEO 2000 everybody had bodyparts looking like Jays arm did this weekend...
-
Ok so you understand that ronnie is the best ever and not phil, you just like to say crazy things lol, and btw ronnie was th ebest ever, this seperation of "best ever" and "genetically best ever" is loltarded
Once you realise that bodybuilding is all about genetics at pro level you'll understand ... All the guys train and eat pretty much the same and take all the same drugs. That just leaves your genes dude. Best genes win.
-
uhhhh have you heard of Gregg Valentino? ::)
-
Philipsulina might have the best arms on a homo sapien but you have remember Ronathon is not Human.
(http://www.all-pictures.org/celebrities/d/120922-2/Ronnie+Coleman+8.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/images/coleman/coleman11.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=388415.0;attach=420102;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155388.0;attach=174267;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155388.0;attach=174293;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155388.0;attach=174350;image)
-
In all honesty, I'm pretty sure Phil would even tell you Ronnie is untouchable. He always said, how he wanted to put a "sweater on" when he saw big Ron in his prime when he was turning pro.
Phil's got an amazing set of arms no doubt, but Ronnie's from another world.
-
Indeed guys, good posts. Ronnie is a one off ....... so far!!
-
Phil's arms look much bigger on the outside than the inside. Meaning they're less overwhelming in the FDB.
-
Phil Heath Has the best arms ever (yes better than coleman)
Congratulations, you have just won the SFPOTYA*
*stupidest fucking post of the year award
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Comparing Coleman and Phil is ridiculous. Just one of Ronnie's arms at the 2004 Olympía was the size of both of Heath's arms combined. And, even though Ronnie was soft and holding water at that weight, his arms still had insane detail, separations and vascularity that actually surpassed Heath's. No comparison.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
-
When Heath wins at least 4 O titles in a row, then maybe this discusssion is relevant. Right now he is only tied with Dickerson, Bannout and Jackson. One behind Franco. Hardly the best ever lol!
-
some of you have really lost your minds since saturday night
E
-
Drugs? Genetics? Insulin? I mean the dude came out of nowhere and got huge and is now a Mr. Olympia. Jay, Coleman, etc. have all spent decades from the time they were 18 bodybuilding. Heath was a fucking basketball player for crying out loud. Does this guy have the ability to get more massive than anyone including Coleman? I think so. But in the end just what the fuck are these pros taking? I mean it's insane. No one's genetics are THAT great. Heath's arms are fucking huge. If Sergio Oliva was popping dbol like candy Heath must have a fucking IV drip attached to his arm 24hrs. Is it the GH? Are these guys all under the watchful eye of doctors and shit? Come on......what's the scoop getbiggers! Let's hear it!
-
marshmellows
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=204976.0;attach=238893;image)
All nutrient timing and Neurocore.
-
Genetic response to drugs. Plain and simple. He is a hyper responder to drugs. The fact is there are a lot of people in this world that if given steroids and a gym membership can blow up like phil did, but a lot of them are happy not working out, playing basketball on weekends and going to the beach.
If you got 10 million 20 year old men and injected 1 gram of testosterone per week into them and put them all on the same diet and workout regimine you would see a huge difference between them all if you plotted their weight gain on a bell curve. You'd probably have poor responders in the lower half, the majority would be in the middle and a decent amount in the upper half. But a lot of people will never know their response to drugs if they never try it.
It's the same as all guys. Some people can take 1 tylenol and it will knock them to sleep in minutes while others need 2 per hour just to keep their headaches away. It's just how your body responds to different medication.
-
Lip Gloss Brah.... :-*
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4069/asasdoijapgnd.jpg)
-
Some guys have big calves..others big chest, while others freaky abs and so on.
Heath happens to have amazing arm genetics, whats the problem here?
jealousy
-
Phil's arms look much bigger on the outside than the inside. Meaning they're less overwhelming in the FDB.
His huge triceps give the illusion of volume.
-
lol size? What size are you talking about?
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2307.jpg)
-
He's been lifting for 9 years, which is not that much time for Mr. O, but he's been on drugs from day 1 and is genetically an elite responder.
-
some of you have really lost your minds since saturday night
E
hahahah ive been wondering the same thing..people are sheep
phil has amazing arms but..... ronnie IMO has the greatest arms ever..... hands down
-
lol size? What size are you talking about?
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2307.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TF0KG5liT-I/AAAAAAAADXk/K15nA-lO-2o/s1600/28710_1117720638838_1701677673_216544_841051_nok.jpg)
-
spinach and/or apples, one a day to be specific
-
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nxN1f_wWR1A/SuKOypiUoFI/AAAAAAAAAPI/2GXxCCSmZcM/s320/Zack+flex+curl.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_g93bcGvgWBo/TA9u6jBsjII/AAAAAAAAIsU/2rpKMokoSgg/s400/ZackKhan-FLX-KevinHorton-603.jpg)
-
some of you have really lost your minds since saturday night
E
And these are the same idiots who were calling him "philsulina" 4 days ago ::)
-
Lightest MR.O in resent history
even lighter than the Blade :P
-
His huge triceps give the illusion of volume.
Forearms too.
-
all toast and upright rows BDB style.
-
Lightest MR.O in resent history
even lighter than the Blade :P
You know that shit aint true. Stop spewing garbage.
-
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TF0KG5liT-I/AAAAAAAADXk/K15nA-lO-2o/s1600/28710_1117720638838_1701677673_216544_841051_nok.jpg)
is that phil heath? face loos different
-
Our new Mr O between an average gymrat and Dan Hill, the laughing stock of the entire industry :D :D :D
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2009/phil_heath_bx/BBS_6715.jpg)
-
Our new Mr O between an average gymrat and Dan Hill, the laughing stock of the entire industry :D :D :D
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2009/phil_heath_bx/BBS_6715.jpg)
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
-
Yeah, no brachi... ::)
-
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/TF0KG5liT-I/AAAAAAAADXk/K15nA-lO-2o/s1600/28710_1117720638838_1701677673_216544_841051_nok.jpg)
is that phil heath? face loos different
::)
yead, he'd devastate a Prime Ronnie, just anilate him.
bbing is all david copperfield, and phil pulls it off well under the O lights, oil and thongs.
yeah, Prime Yates couldn't hang with that size either.
-
Any pics of Phil standing next to Yates?
-
Any pics of Phil standing next to Yates?
No but here is yate standing next to another black guy..errrrrrrr bodybuilder
(http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd09a8-13f8-27d5.jpg)
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=349601.0;attach=384257;image)
-
No but here is yate standing next to another black guy..errrrrrrr bodybuilder
(http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd09a8-13f8-27d5.jpg)
Shawn Raysulina 8)
-
Nice, thanks :-)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=349601.0;attach=384257;image)
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=349601.0;attach=384257;image)
please stop this! phil is a pretty bodybuilder, just like flex, shawn, cormier and kevin, but he isn't a mass monster. compare him to his class.
-
;D
please stop this! phil is a pretty bodybuilder, just like flex, shawn, cormier and kevin, but he isn't a mass monster. compare him to his class.
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1031/heath2.jpg)
-
Our new Mr O between an average gymrat and Dan Hill, the laughing stock of the entire industry :D :D :D
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2009/phil_heath_bx/BBS_6715.jpg)
You do understand that bodybuilding is not about the biggest guy on stage or greg kovas would be mr olympia.
-
but phisulin is 290 lbs!!!
;D :-X
-
You do understand that bodybuilding is about the biggest guy on stage or greg kovas would be mr olympia.
??? ???
-
Drugs? Genetics? Insulin? I mean the dude came out of nowhere and got huge and is now a Mr. Olympia. Jay, Coleman, etc. have all spent decades from the time they were 18 bodybuilding. Heath was a fucking basketball player for crying out loud. Does this guy have the ability to get more massive than anyone including Coleman? I think so. But in the end just what the fuck are these pros taking? I mean it's insane. No one's genetics are THAT great. Heath's arms are fucking huge. If Sergio Oliva was popping dbol like candy Heath must have a fucking IV drip attached to his arm 24hrs. Is it the GH? Are these guys all under the watchful eye of doctors and shit? Come on......what's the scoop getbiggers! Let's hear it!
I don't think it was that fast as people put it, 9 years?, both Haney and Dorian did it faster, Talk about fast,... genetics,.. Levrone was 24 when he entered a local and 26 as Mr. Olympia runner up, that's what you call coming out of no where.
-
I don't think it was that fast as people put it, 9 years?, both Haney and Dorian did it faster, Talk about fast,... genetics,.. Levrone was 24 when he entered a local and 26 as Mr. Olympia runner up, that's what you call coming out of no where.
Yeah fucking Levrone is pure freak with that. Dude is Jekyll and Hyde.
-
lol size? What size are you talking about?
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2307.jpg)
hmm...wolfs chest looks the same size (maybe not as thick) as 'no-chest' philly
-
I don't think it was that fast as people put it, 9 years?, both Haney and Dorian did it faster, Talk about fast,... genetics,.. Levrone was 24 when he entered a local and 26 as Mr. Olympia runner up, that's what you call coming out of no where.
Or Richard Jones...he won his class and Pro card at his first national contest
-
I don't think it was that fast as people put it, 9 years?, both Haney and Dorian did it faster, Talk about fast,... genetics,.. Levrone was 24 when he entered a local and 26 as Mr. Olympia runner up, that's what you call coming out of no where.
And it only took Jay 48 hours to fuck it all up.
-
And it only took Jay 48 hours to fuck it all up.
this deserves its won WYHI
-
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2307.jpg)
outside of the arms, kai is a better bber. negro needs to slide away from the table, just like his fat buddy wiggs.
-
Yeah, no brachi... ::)
That, too. But compare your pic to his FDB. Arms are a little less impressive, don't you think?
-
Yeah, no brachi... ::)
phil has some great arms for sure
-
My point being, this:
-
... is much more impressive than this:
-
I don't think it was that fast as people put it, 9 years?, both Haney and Dorian did it faster, Talk about fast,... genetics,.. Levrone was 24 when he entered a local and 26 as Mr. Olympia runner up, that's what you call coming out of no where.
Good post.
Dorian took 9 years to win his first Olympia (age 30) from when he started training at age 21.
Arnold was even earlier I think - started training at 14 and won his first Mr O in 1970 aged 21 - only a seven year difference. Would be unthinkable to have a Mr Olympia winning the title at that age nowadays.
Not sure about Haney - don't know enough about him.
-
haney took about the same time as arnold,lee and arnold also retired by age 35,neither probably reached their full potential.
-
please stop this! phil is a pretty bodybuilder, just like flex, shawn, cormier and kevin, but he isn't a mass monster. compare him to his class.
Dorian waxing that ass
-
Genetic response to drugs. Plain and simple. He is a hyper responder to drugs. The fact is there are a lot of people in this world that if given steroids and a gym membership can blow up like phil did, but a lot of them are happy not working out, playing basketball on weekends and going to the beach.
If you got 10 million 20 year old men and injected 1 gram of testosterone per week into them and put them all on the same diet and workout regimine you would see a huge difference between them all if you plotted their weight gain on a bell curve. You'd probably have poor responders in the lower half, the majority would be in the middle and a decent amount in the upper half. But a lot of people will never know their response to drugs if they never try it.
It's the same as all guys. Some people can take 1 tylenol and it will knock them to sleep in minutes while others need 2 per hour just to keep their headaches away. It's just how your body responds to different medication.
B R A V O ,,
exelent pupil!
one correction ,, it is not the testosterona who get you to this blow up ....it is mega dosing of hgh and insulina,, testosterona usualy make you bloofy and sadly SMALLER...unless go with trenbolona and specific aas along with hgh and insulina,,
notice...you never look yuor best on high doses testosterona! ...it is always when you climb on the trenbolona and hgh etc when you start looking freaky seperated cut large and incharge ,, lean and mean when your face take a diff shape to it and is lean yet full ,,
what got philsulina to where he is at is mega dosing of hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
-
let me explain the posting above,, it is not that testosterona get you smaller,, it is that it get you bloofier and smooth,, if you do it with trenbolona at high dose trenbolona you will increase over all size,, but!
if you do trenbolona and propioneta...then out of trenbolona and go on testosterona long easter even at 2 gram per week....and no trenbolona in blood,, you will slowly and surly lose lean size,, you will lose a lot of impact of physiqe being impressive,, you will gain water on the physiqe slowly and with that will come fat....you will maintain same weigt maybe even maybe higher weight...BUT! you will be smaller! your lean muscle iwll go down few lbs...even if you are on 2 gram testosterona a week
trenbolona is ESENTIAL! to bodybuild,, you just cant be at your best with out it ,, and not only with out it but with out high enough dose that fits you!
gh15 approved
-
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nxN1f_wWR1A/SuKOypiUoFI/AAAAAAAAAPI/2GXxCCSmZcM/s320/Zack+flex+curl.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_g93bcGvgWBo/TA9u6jBsjII/AAAAAAAAIsU/2rpKMokoSgg/s400/ZackKhan-FLX-KevinHorton-603.jpg)
wow zkk needs to get on the olympia stage :o
-
wow zkk needs to get on the olympia stage :o
They'd wipe the floor with him. Even if he hadn't gotten hurt, and he competed, he has issues with getting in condition, plus his back detail is left wanting...
-
B R A V O ,,
exelent pupil!
one correction ,, it is not the testosterona who get you to this blow up ....it is mega dosing of hgh and insulina,, testosterona usualy make you bloofy and sadly SMALLER...unless go with trenbolona and specific aas along with hgh and insulina,,
notice...you never look yuor best on high doses testosterona! ...it is always when you climb on the trenbolona and hgh etc when you start looking freaky seperated cut large and incharge ,, lean and mean when your face take a diff shape to it and is lean yet full ,,
what got philsulina to where he is at is mega dosing of hgh and insulina
gh15 approved
Exactly why I do not like test usage. I know, I know everyone is using it and that's fine, but I think that there is a point to where it's a waste prob anything over 750 to 1 gram weekly. I also prefer shorting acting test like prop. Suspension too, but not unless you can find some good micro.Tren EQ Gh and well slin will blow you up. I have a buddy who loves primo for filling him self out along with all the rest of course, but I think that that is more an individual thing.
-
Good post.
Dorian took 9 years to win his first Olympia (age 30) from when he started training at age 21.
Arnold was even earlier I think - started training at 14 and won his first Mr O in 1970 aged 21 - only a seven year difference. Would be unthinkable to have a Mr Olympia winning the title at that age nowadays.
Not sure about Haney - don't know enough about him.
Haney entered his first Olympia in 1983 at age 24 and won his first Olympia the next year at age 25. When Haney was Heath's age, he had won 7 straight Olympias and was a year away from retiring.
Ronnie won his first Olympia at the same age that Haney won his last :o
-
At what age would you say a bodybuilder starts his physical descent?
35 or 36?
-
At what age would you say a bodybuilder starts his physical descent?
35 or 36?
Lol in 1980 arnie said he was very concerned his age(33) might really hold him back ::)
The reason pro's today are older is simply because they need longer sponsorship windows to afford the massive stacks of drugs to compete at even an amateur level. Phil of course was able to rapidly jump through the levels because his marketability aloud him to get the heavy stuff early.
Anyhow all top pro's are responders for the gear, the only difference between him and the others is the rest had to build up sponsors before hitting pro.
-
Zack @ 15.....
-
At what age would you say a bodybuilder starts his physical descent?
35 or 36?
Can happen anytime after 40.
-
Can happen anytime after 40.
Got Jay a little early.
-
Haney entered his first Olympia in 1983 at age 24 and won his first Olympia the next year at age 25. When Haney was Heath's age, he had won 7 straight Olympias and was a year away from retiring.
Ronnie won his first Olympia at the same age that Haney won his last :o
ronnie just doesn't fit in this comparison, that's makes him unique.
at 21 ronnie was a junior LB at grambling.
about 2.5 yr later he is starting the police department.
8-9 yrs or so he plays with bbing while buying his first home.
chad or something, than he is mr o.
--------------------------------------------------------
phil straight out of DU at gym help desk and on gear.
---------------------------------------------------------
yates is a hood rat - bbing.
------------------------------------------------------
jay right out of high school to bbing
--------------------------------------------------
haney out of high school to bbing
------------------------------------------
ronnie is closet to phil. if he had left grambling and hooked up with dopson and dealers of the bat vs a career job, he may have been an 11-13 time mr o. should have been a 9 for sure.
-
Zack @ 15.....
He seems to have high bicep inserts, and now they are fuller, closer to the elbow. What gives, SEO? Because his arms are big, but lack that crisp detailing.
-
Zack @ 15.....
Holy shit , genetics , genetics , genetics
-
And it only took Jay 48 hours to fuck it all up.
that's not old pic of jonah hill....
-
You can't compare the BB of today with King Ronnie at his prime.
-
Its called the BRACHIORADIALIS the upper forearm muscle that goes up his tricep where the brachialis (outer head of the bicep) should be, In Phil's case its a defect but thanks to all the drugs and lack of quality competition he can get away with it.....
(http://forum.steelfactor.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=317849)
You can look it up in a muscle chart if youre still confused.
WOOOSSSSSHHHHHHH
You tend to make statements, and always get proven wrong
Here is a pic, one two with Darrem showing his Brachs
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243297.0;attach=283423;image)
-
2nd pic for Pet Shop
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TAaxEmLrWUI/AAAAAAAAK4M/fzeV9LsGBio/s1600/Behind+The+Scene+At+2007+Arnold+Classic+Contest++-+05+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.jpg)
-
gh15, would 2 grams of testosterone /week and 600 mg of tren a, 300mg am, 300mg pm/ day, be a good stack or is that too much tren?
-
:o
-
brachialis is not a head on the bicep, it's a separate muscle,
-
You people are all nuts why on earth would you want arms like Ron Coleman? to impress a bunch of freak craving perverted schmo IFBB judges? Arms like that are so freaky no respectable woman would ever wanna come near you. Huge but buff arms that measure big and bulge out of your shirt are needed, not something that looks like it got rejected from aliens on another planet. Arnold had some of the best arms ever simply because they were huge and look appealing to the eye, from both men AND women which is what muscle is supposed to do, look damn appealing. And if Heaths arms so so great how come they're so weak? ???
-
Yeah, no brachi... ::)
Again , while his arms are huge the "brachi" is not round say like Arnold or Ronnie and rather looks like his has a dent right in the middle of them arms....best arms ever? Nah get him out of there.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=430212;image)
WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
-
You tend to make statements, and always get proven wrong
Here is a pic, one two with Darrem showing his Brachs
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243297.0;attach=283423;image)
Jesus! talk about a fan in HEATH !!!!
Are we looking at the same pics ? That picture its a great example actually ,If you could touch Darren outer head of bicep its round...
while Phils its flat...still dont get it ?
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
-
brachialis is not a head on the bicep, it's a separate muscle,
But if is not there (or is shitty) ...the whole upper arm cant be round... look at king Ronnies arm.
WOOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
-
shut up
-
shut up
I'm sorry didnt mean to be downer of this "Phil Heath best arms ever" thread.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
-
Exactly why I do not like test usage. I know, I know everyone is using it and that's fine, but I think that there is a point to where it's a waste prob anything over 750 to 1 gram weekly. I also prefer shorting acting test like prop. Suspension too, but not unless you can find some good micro.Tren EQ Gh and well slin will blow you up. I have a buddy who loves primo for filling him self out along with all the rest of course, but I think that that is more an individual thing.
So Jim say you were running prop @ 3-500mgs a week what would you dose EQ at ? and wouldnt Nandralone be the better option for your anabolic ?
Obviously Tren is the king and blows everything away but I still like taking time off of Tren :) so how much EQ and hell chuck nandralone in there to :D how much would you run each of those items if you were running them along side a low dose of prop a week but only running the two compounds at a time - so EQ/Prop Nan/Prop - how would you dose those items ?
Tren would get added at other times during the year to - you can add an oral to the above combos if you like :D just want to know what you have found the best doses to be for the average responder (most of us) in your observations over the years - basic gym rat stuff not looking to turn pro 8)
-
Dude isnt huge, and would be irrelevant without the arms being to big for his small body.
-
gh15, would 2 grams of testosterone /week and 600 mg of tren a, 300mg am, 300mg pm/ day, be a good stack or is that too much tren?
one of the so call secret behind any sucesful bodybuilder is the doses of legit trenbolona that swin in his blood,, trenbolona is the KEY KEY KEY INGREDIENT TO GROWTH ,, what is growth? growth is when you lose the bodyfat and water to a lesser degree and maintain all muscle under while at the same time get it harder ..drier and more dense ,, the only steroid that bring true growth is trenbolona ace,, this is the ONLY steroid that will create a top bodybuilder,, you can not do with out it now day and to be honest for a good 35-40 years you cant do with out it ,,
ONLY ON TRENBOLONA ACE YOU CAN ACTUALY EAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU WANT WETHER IT WILL BE PINE APPLE OR ICECREAM OR SUSHI OR WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH OUT REALLY CALCULATING EVERYTHING AND LOOK CHIZELED RIPPED HARD AND PRETTY DRY ...NOT COMPETITION DRY BUT VERY CLOSE TO IT ...ONLY! ON TRENBOLONA ACE THIS THING WILL OCCURE,,
TESTOSTERONA SHOULD ALWYAS BE CYCLED ...TESTOSTERONA IS MAINLY A HORMONES YOU KEEP FOR STAMINA...AND FOR THICKNESS,, IT GOT TO BE THERE AT SOME LEVEL FROM 150MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM A WEEK BUT! BUT!! IF YOU GO HIGH DOSE TESTOSTEROAN YOU BETTER HAVE ALL THE HGH YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON BECUASE YOU WILL NEED IT TO GO WITH THE TESTOSTERONA...
TRENBOLONA ACE DOESNT REALLY NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO GO WITH IT,, BY ITSELF IT CAN MAKE A CHAMPION ,, OFCOURSE YOU CAN ADD MASTERONA AND SOME TESTOSTERONA AND BE INVINSIBLE....AND WITH INSULINA AND GH YOU CREATE A BLOW UP DOLL...
generaly speaking like disgusted say
trenbolona ace,, equipona ,, gh ,, insulina are 4 ingredients that will build a LARGE FREAK,,
trenbolona ace by itself will build a quality freak btu that quality freak will be 200lb ...210... when the other things added you build a humongus freak that usualy in this time and age look like a blow up doll
trenbolona is the most important anabolic steroids EVER in body building,, nothing else come close to it ...trenbolona CHANGES YOUR PHYSIQE IN A MATTER OF 3 MONTHS TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE,, lean and mean dense and thick ,, seperated and cupped ,, chizeled manly dream kind of male to any female around ,, it scream fuck me ,, trenbolona scream FUCK ME ,, it is the only drug that women will LIKE the look it gives,,it is very very very epidome of male perfect physiqe,,
there is no replacement to trenbolona and it is the most important anabolic steroid in modern bodybuilding,,
gh15 approved
-
one of the so call secret behind any sucesful bodybuilder is the doses of legit trenbolona that swin in his blood,, trenbolona is the KEY KEY KEY INGREDIENT TO GROWTH ,, what is growth? growth is when you lose the bodyfat and water to a lesser degree and maintain all muscle under while at the same time get it harder ..drier and more dense ,, the only steroid that bring true growth is trenbolona ace,, this is the ONLY steroid that will create a top bodybuilder,, you can not do with out it now day and to be honest for a good 35-40 years you cant do with out it ,,
ONLY ON TRENBOLONA ACE YOU CAN ACTUALY EAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU WANT WETHER IT WILL BE PINE APPLE OR ICECREAM OR SUSHI OR WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH OUT REALLY CALCULATING EVERYTHING AND LOOK CHIZELED RIPPED HARD AND PRETTY DRY ...NOT COMPETITION DRY BUT VERY CLOSE TO IT ...ONLY! ON TRENBOLONA ACE THIS THING WILL OCCURE,,
TESTOSTERONA SHOULD ALWYAS BE CYCLED ...TESTOSTERONA IS MAINLY A HORMONES YOU KEEP FOR STAMINA...AND FOR THICKNESS,, IT GOT TO BE THERE AT SOME LEVEL FROM 150MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM A WEEK BUT! BUT!! IF YOU GO HIGH DOSE TESTOSTEROAN YOU BETTER HAVE ALL THE HGH YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON BECUASE YOU WILL NEED IT TO GO WITH THE TESTOSTERONA...
TRENBOLONA ACE DOESNT REALLY NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO GO WITH IT,, BY ITSELF IT CAN MAKE A CHAMPION ,, OFCOURSE YOU CAN ADD MASTERONA AND SOME TESTOSTERONA AND BE INVINSIBLE....AND WITH INSULINA AND GH YOU CREATE A BLOW UP DOLL...
generaly speaking like disgusted say
trenbolona ace,, equipona ,, gh ,, insulina are 4 ingredients that will build a LARGE FREAK,,
trenbolona ace by itself will build a quality freak btu that quality freak will be 200lb ...210... when the other things added you build a humongus freak that usualy in this time and age look like a blow up doll
trenbolona is the most important anabolic steroids EVER in body building,, nothing else come close to it ...trenbolona CHANGES YOUR PHYSIQE IN A MATTER OF 3 MONTHS TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE,, lean and mean dense and thick ,, seperated and cupped ,, chizeled manly dream kind of male to any female around ,, it scream fuck me ,, trenbolona scream FUCK ME ,, it is the only drug that women will LIKE the look it gives,,it is very very very epidome of male perfect physiqe,,
there is no replacement to trenbolona and it is the most important anabolic steroid in modern bodybuilding,,
gh15 approved
outstanding.i tell people this is the most important thing to use over anything else.i wondered what your opinion was on tren hex(parabolan).i heard 90s guys loved negmeas amps.ive used all the tren esters and i guess im partial to this one..does it really matter?slow ester or fast with tren?
-
we only use trenbolona ace,, this is what we are inlove with and we will pay with our mama and papa well maybe not but with our girls... for trenbolona ace and hgh ,, we will do whatever it takes to have it ,,
its a wet dream for bodybuilder to wake up with trenbolona ace and hgh 10 vials and 10 kits of both ,, nothing better than the combo of trenbolona ace and hgh ,, nothing! ,, it grow you into a show GROW YOU INTO A SHOW
gh15 approved
-
one of the so call secret behind any sucesful bodybuilder is the doses of legit trenbolona that swin in his blood,, trenbolona is the KEY KEY KEY INGREDIENT TO GROWTH ,, what is growth? growth is when you lose the bodyfat and water to a lesser degree and maintain all muscle under while at the same time get it harder ..drier and more dense ,, the only steroid that bring true growth is trenbolona ace,, this is the ONLY steroid that will create a top bodybuilder,, you can not do with out it now day and to be honest for a good 35-40 years you cant do with out it ,,
ONLY ON TRENBOLONA ACE YOU CAN ACTUALY EAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU WANT WETHER IT WILL BE PINE APPLE OR ICECREAM OR SUSHI OR WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH OUT REALLY CALCULATING EVERYTHING AND LOOK CHIZELED RIPPED HARD AND PRETTY DRY ...NOT COMPETITION DRY BUT VERY CLOSE TO IT ...ONLY! ON TRENBOLONA ACE THIS THING WILL OCCURE,,
TESTOSTERONA SHOULD ALWYAS BE CYCLED ...TESTOSTERONA IS MAINLY A HORMONES YOU KEEP FOR STAMINA...AND FOR THICKNESS,, IT GOT TO BE THERE AT SOME LEVEL FROM 150MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM A WEEK BUT! BUT!! IF YOU GO HIGH DOSE TESTOSTEROAN YOU BETTER HAVE ALL THE HGH YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON BECUASE YOU WILL NEED IT TO GO WITH THE TESTOSTERONA...
TRENBOLONA ACE DOESNT REALLY NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO GO WITH IT,, BY ITSELF IT CAN MAKE A CHAMPION ,, OFCOURSE YOU CAN ADD MASTERONA AND SOME TESTOSTERONA AND BE INVINSIBLE....AND WITH INSULINA AND GH YOU CREATE A BLOW UP DOLL...
generaly speaking like disgusted say
trenbolona ace,, equipona ,, gh ,, insulina are 4 ingredients that will build a LARGE FREAK,,
trenbolona ace by itself will build a quality freak btu that quality freak will be 200lb ...210... when the other things added you build a humongus freak that usualy in this time and age look like a blow up doll
trenbolona is the most important anabolic steroids EVER in body building,, nothing else come close to it ...trenbolona CHANGES YOUR PHYSIQE IN A MATTER OF 3 MONTHS TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE,, lean and mean dense and thick ,, seperated and cupped ,, chizeled manly dream kind of male to any female around ,, it scream fuck me ,, trenbolona scream FUCK ME ,, it is the only drug that women will LIKE the look it gives,,it is very very very epidome of male perfect physiqe,,
there is no replacement to trenbolona and it is the most important anabolic steroid in modern bodybuilding,,
gh15 approved
I have seen guys build awesome physiques with testerona and deca, maybe with dbol added. That's it. Just with these things, if you train hard and like a true body builder used to train, also with some true power exercizes like squats added in, you will get a pretty damn awesome physique. Real hard muscle, and a great pump in the gym, not an insulane marshymellow blow up look. Hard functional muscle with veins and a hard pumped look and feel. Of course the pros add in the insulana and GH, but I really think its not necessary to get an awesome physique.
-
I have seen guys build awesome physiques with testerona and deca, maybe with dbol added. That's it. Just with these things, if you train hard and like a true body builder used to train, also with some true power exercizes like squats added in, you will get a pretty damn awesome physique. Real hard muscle, and a great pump in the gym, not an insulane marshymellow blow up look. Hard functional muscle with veins and a hard pumped look and feel. Of course the pros add in the insulana and GH, but I really think its not necessary to get an awesome physique.
you dont listen closely to what gh15 say ,, yes you can build very good physiqe with testosterona nandrolona and dianabol ,, now read carefuly what gh15 say ....
YOU WILL HAVE TO EAT PERFECT,, YOU WILL HAVE TO SIT AND EAT EVERY 2 HOUR AND ENOUGH TO BUILD IS THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT TO BE WATER LOGGED AND FAT LOGGED,, YOU WILL STILL GAIN WATER WEIGHT BIG TIME,, AND ALSO YOU BETTER BE IN YRUO 20S...
TRENBOLONA ACE IS A DRUG THAT LET YOU EAT ALOT ! IT LET YOU EAT WHATEVER FOOD YOU WISH ,, NOT JUNK JUNK BUT ICECREAM AND SUSHI AND BANANAS PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY LONG ,, YOU SEE WHAT IM SAYING HERE RIGHT? SUGGGGGGGGGGGGAR NATURLA SUGAR PINE APPLE BANANAS ORANGE JUICE,, ALSO ICECREAM AT NIGHT...ALL THAT TRENBOLONA ACE LET YOU EAT AND MAKES ! MAKES ! YOU EAT..AND GUESS WHAT...YOU REDUCE FAT...YOU REDUCE WATER WEIGHT ...YOU GROW LEAN MUSCLE AND YOU CHANGE YOUR BODY COMPOSITION ...YOU WEIGH THE SAME DAMN THING ON THE SCALE BUT YOU LOOK TWICE THE SIZE YOU USED TO BE!
READ WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AGAIN AND AGAIN ....NOW FOR 30+ YEAR OLD...THIS IS A BIG BIG THING...YOU CAN PRACTICALY BE NORMAL HUMAN AND BE A BODYBUILDER! THIS IS HOW STRONG THE POWER OF TRENBOLONA ACE IS...
YOU ADD HGH IN AND OUT EVERY 6 MONTHS...AND YOU ARE ABSOLITLY INVINSIBLE TO SICKNESS AND TO ANY DEASESES AND PRETTY MUCH CAN EAT ANY FUCKIN THING YOU WISH ,, ANYTHING! ALSO MUCH MORE CALORIES...
trenbolona ace is a drug that is not even remotely comparabel to any other drugs,, it will be like comparing ron colman physiqe to the shit you see now day ...
not comparable,, best drug ,,the maker of champions and the only drug that truly truly make a chiwawa into a pitball
gh15 approved
-
gh15 do you consider 'calories in vs calories out' to be a myth? many individuals will say that eating 3000 calories of clean food vs 3000 calories of junk food will have no effect on your appearance. same with meal timing - your body will use it all up the same way whether you eat 3 meals a day or 8. your opinion?
-
gh15 what is the highest dosage of tren ace you have heard a person take per day?
-
Phil is actually healthy and has been lifting as a bodybuilder for 9 years! thats a long time. his first show was in 2002. then nationals in 05 where he got a pro card. he just uses what everybody else uses.alot of steroid,HGH and insulin. and I bet he didnt touch steroids till he was 21yrs old.maybe 20 at earliest. decent foundation before he started using and great genetics however I had better
a better foundation than phil heath did since I waited till I was 25 till I used but I didnt have the genetics phil heath has. You gotta give the kid some props! He does Train hard and stays lean in the off-season. Ronnie coleman had the best natural foundation before he started juicing thats how he got so huge great foundation and great hormone response
-
This comparing Phil to Ronnie bullshit is getting ridiculous.
Once again, Phil is not even close to Ronnie. Ronnie is in a class by himself and probably always will be.
And no, his arms are not better then Ronnie's. Once again, not even close.
-
You people are all nuts why on earth would you want arms like Ron Coleman? to impress a bunch of freak craving perverted schmo IFBB judges? Arms like that are so freaky no respectable woman would ever wanna come near you. Huge but buff arms that measure big and bulge out of your shirt are needed, not something that looks like it got rejected from aliens on another planet. Arnold had some of the best arms ever simply because they were huge and look appealing to the eye, from both men AND women which is what muscle is supposed to do, look damn appealing. And if Heaths arms so so great how come they're so weak? ???
Weak? Are we talking strength? In Heath's vids he doesn't seem to max out, but picks a moderately heavy weight and reps out with it (barbells)...he tends to stick with (for biceps) Barbell curls, concentration curls, incline bench dumbell curls, and cable curls. For triceps---one triceps pushdowns, either with rope or bar, one arm tricep extensions, dip machine, and skull crushers...
-
Liar Priest has better arms than Phil
btw, ronnie said that Priest prob has the best total arm development ever
-
He seems to have high bicep inserts, and now they are fuller, closer to the elbow. What gives, SEO? Because his arms are big, but lack that crisp detailing.
The forearm muscles got bigger which filled some of the gap and gives illusion of shorter bicep tendon.
-
Our new Mr O between an average gymrat and Dan Hill, the laughing stock of the entire industry :D :D :D
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2009/phil_heath_bx/BBS_6715.jpg)
Dan has at least eight sponsorships worth over $5,000 each plus he gets his expenses covered for a lot/all of the shows he goes to. Additionally he owns a successful supplement store and has had something like 140 photo shoots in the three years.
No need to be mean to him.
-
you dont listen closely to what gh15 say ,, yes you can build very good physiqe with testosterona nandrolona and dianabol ,, now read carefuly what gh15 say ....
YOU WILL HAVE TO EAT PERFECT,, YOU WILL HAVE TO SIT AND EAT EVERY 2 HOUR AND ENOUGH TO BUILD IS THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT TO BE WATER LOGGED AND FAT LOGGED,, YOU WILL STILL GAIN WATER WEIGHT BIG TIME,, AND ALSO YOU BETTER BE IN YRUO 20S...
TRENBOLONA ACE IS A DRUG THAT LET YOU EAT ALOT ! IT LET YOU EAT WHATEVER FOOD YOU WISH ,, NOT JUNK JUNK BUT ICECREAM AND SUSHI AND BANANAS PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY LONG ,, YOU SEE WHAT IM SAYING HERE RIGHT? SUGGGGGGGGGGGGAR NATURLA SUGAR PINE APPLE BANANAS ORANGE JUICE,, ALSO ICECREAM AT NIGHT...ALL THAT TRENBOLONA ACE LET YOU EAT AND MAKES ! MAKES ! YOU EAT..AND GUESS WHAT...YOU REDUCE FAT...YOU REDUCE WATER WEIGHT ...YOU GROW LEAN MUSCLE AND YOU CHANGE YOUR BODY COMPOSITION ...YOU WEIGH THE SAME DAMN THING ON THE SCALE BUT YOU LOOK TWICE THE SIZE YOU USED TO BE!
READ WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AGAIN AND AGAIN ....NOW FOR 30+ YEAR OLD...THIS IS A BIG BIG THING...YOU CAN PRACTICALY BE NORMAL HUMAN AND BE A BODYBUILDER! THIS IS HOW STRONG THE POWER OF TRENBOLONA ACE IS...
YOU ADD HGH IN AND OUT EVERY 6 MONTHS...AND YOU ARE ABSOLITLY INVINSIBLE TO SICKNESS AND TO ANY DEASESES AND PRETTY MUCH CAN EAT ANY FUCKIN THING YOU WISH ,, ANYTHING! ALSO MUCH MORE CALORIES...
trenbolona ace is a drug that is not even remotely comparabel to any other drugs,, it will be like comparing ron colman physiqe to the shit you see now day ...
not comparable,, best drug ,,the maker of champions and the only drug that truly truly make a chiwawa into a pitball
gh15 approved
any real bodybuilder knows trenbolone acetate is the strongest steroid that you get the best results from and rapidly. another good thing about tren is its pretty easy to find high grade trenbolone acetate. the only negative thing about tren is it is pretty hepatoxic. But definately the most potent AAS ever invented. there is not one top pro who does not use trenbolone acetate.
-
Dan has at least eight sponsorships worth over $5,000 each plus he gets his expenses covered for a lot/all of the shows he goes to. Additionally he owns a successful supplement store and has had something like 140 photo shoots in the three years.
No need to be mean to him.
Sadly, Phil's forearms is bigger than Dan's upper arms.
-
Weak? Are we talking strength? In Heath's vids he doesn't seem to max out, but picks a moderately heavy weight and reps out with it (barbells)...he tends to stick with (for biceps) Barbell curls, concentration curls, incline bench dumbell curls, and cable curls. For triceps---one triceps pushdowns, either with rope or bar, one arm tricep extensions, dip machine, and skull crushers...
Yeah he picks easy workouts and never goes heavy since hes too lazy and relies on drugs and it shows basically
-
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd20/bigdpizzle/15942_1142335889880_1571959751_3039.jpg)
-
Dan has at least eight sponsorships worth over $5,000 each plus he gets his expenses covered for a lot/all of the shows he goes to. Additionally he owns a successful supplement store and has had something like 140 photo shoots in the three years.
No need to be mean to him.
hahahahaha
btw., his "supplement store" opened up last week. You already know he's successfull? ;D
-
-
no one posting prime ronnie pics
he was much freakier around 2000 than in those past peak pics posted bove
-
Yeah he picks easy workouts and never goes heavy since hes too lazy and relies on drugs and it shows basically
If he can do that then all power to him, who gives a f*ck if someone trains hard or not? If i could attain a physique like his half arsed then damn right im doing it. I simply can not understand where the hate comes from, ev1 moans that Dillet & Flex could have been this & that had they not been lazy. Here we have a guy who is just that good and he's flipped on 4 those very reasons.
-
He's been lifting for 9 years, which is not that much time for Mr. O, but he's been on drugs from day 1 and is genetically an elite responder.
He lifted already as basketball player like most of them.
-
LARGE FREAK
This would be a great username around here.
-
so gh15 why does everybody say that testosterona is essential in every cycle?
-
Testerona is for thickness of the physique
-
Now that he is Mr. O, Phil will try to improve upon his already great "platform" and upgrade to model to "freaky"standards. I have noticed in all the pics of him in T-shirts and tanktops, his chest seems to take a backseat to his incredible arms...so, I'm thinking the game plan is to bring his chest up...whereas it's not as bad as Evan's and Phil has improved his chest...I see him packing on the pounds in this area.
-
He should just get pec implants. will save him a lot of time, energy and money
-
He should just get pec implants. will save him a lot of time, energy and money
x2 cut the training bullshit.
-
his chest is well developed i don't know what people are talking about when they say this......its the overall area that his pecs cover that makes them appear underdeveloped....
he needs to bring up his quads to keep the title!
-
he should only train one body part per year.
year of the biceps
year of the chest
year of the calves
-
x2 cut the training bullshit.
That's what Im talking about. Why bother going to the gym when you can get some plastic surgery. ??? ???
-
Now that he is Mr. O, Phil will try to improve upon his already great "platform" and upgrade to model to "freaky"standards. I have noticed in all the pics of him in T-shirts and tanktops, his chest seems to take a backseat to his incredible arms...so, I'm thinking the game plan is to bring his chest up...whereas it's not as bad as Evan's and Phil has improved his chest...I see him packing on the pounds in this area.
true....
if hes not in a tan top or his arms arent on show.... well... :-\
arms are a show piece muscle... but a wide back to match them and chest is essential
-
Yo' momma's ass?
-
his chest is well developed i don't know what people are talking about when they say this......its the overall area that his pecs cover that makes them appear underdeveloped....
he needs to bring up his quads to keep the title!
Take a look at him in a tanktop or shirt...his chest disappears.
What he can do, like other "narrow" bbers like JOJ is that he can build a thicker chest that juts fwd and out...he's built for it.
Yo' momma's ass?
Unfortunately, that won't be happening, as he is like Wiggs on that front. ;)
-
Phil is for all intents & purposes without flaws
-
Phil is for all intents & purposes without flaws
And as we all know, Mr. O cannot stay the same...they have to up the "freak" ante.
It's one of the reasons why I could really never see Flex as a Mr. O.
-
Our new Mr O between an average gymrat and Dan Hill, the laughing stock of the entire industry :D :D :D
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2009/phil_heath_bx/BBS_6715.jpg)
You do understand the difference between being in contest condition and walking around offseason
have you seen pics of Dorian and Marcus Ruhl in contest condition while wearing T-Shirts?
-
Cell tech and steak rinsed in olive oil.
Also, upright rows.
-
He should go off all drugs/oil and train only one bodypart every 3rd day from a month. By the end of the month, he will be bigger than ever
---Vince Basile
-
Phil is a great guy, but I think deep down he really takes the "Narrowness" comments to heart. He will first and foremost work on his width and then just do with the rest of his body as he always does.
-
so gh15 why does everybody say that testosterona is essential in every cycle?
That's because bodybuilders are stupid. We regurgitate what we hear and never think for ourselves. Do you know how many chicken breasts and rice I ate when I first started bodybuilding? I gag thinking about it.
Now I eat ice cream in between sex with my wife and going to bed. I can't help but spend 20 minutes in the washroom after a relentless shagging to pose down and admire my physique. Don't laugh, because I know all gh15's studly pupils do the same thing. Fuck, eat ice cream, brush teeth and pose for 20 minutes before pulling yourself away from the mirror.
When I wake up in the morning, same thing. Sex, ice cream or some other food, pose in front of mirror while wife rolls her eyes and laughes, etc, etc. But I'm ripped, veins everywhere, no dry chicken breasts in my diet, read gh15 Bible like good pupil, fuck wife all day, etc.
When people ask how I do it I tell them I got a Bowflex or take multivitamins or something. It's all gh15 advices though. If you're going to regurgitate anything, have it be his advices.
-
off course drugs are important to build a physique like that.. but comon', lots of others bodybuilders do the same shit and aren't Mr. O..
we are devaluating the bodybuilding when we say that every single fuckin bodybuilder is all drugs.. ok, they take drugs.. maybe a lot!! but we cannot forget how hard is to diet 20 wks for a show... how sacrificing is to be on that day, dry as fuck and with no water.. thats a sport! in my opinion for sure..
Phil has excellent genetics.. we can see that because of his lines.. he has superb aesthetics.. also responds VERY WELL to hormones.. but, when you say that Phil Heath is Mr. O exclusively because he abuses hgh and insuline.. thats a fucking joke.
-
Phil is for all intents & purposes without flaws
If his arms were a bit smaller I would agree
-
If he can do that then all power to him, who gives a f*ck if someone trains hard or not? If i could attain a physique like his half arsed then damn right im doing it. I simply can not understand where the hate comes from, ev1 moans that Dillet & Flex could have been this & that had they not been lazy. Here we have a guy who is just that good and he's flipped on 4 those very reasons.
you wouldnt do it ,,it takes too much money to achieve it and too much drug intake
phil heath would be UNRECOGNIZABLE with out massive doses of hgh and insulina...he will look exactly like mature version of the basketball years only with more estrogen running in system ,,
you fellas still dont get it ...
the king is NAKED
gh15 approved
-
No one in the history of the sport has better arms than Coleman at the 2004 Olympia. This was his worst showing, but his arms were just as ripped and freaky as they were at 250 lbs except that they were twice the size. Incredible. Watch this video and weep, Phil Heath nut-huggers. Watch at 0:33 when Ronnie does the fist kneel and observe the diameter of his arms. Now look at 1:02 when he does the front double biceps and his arms are literally twice the size of Heath's. Then again at 1:17 when he does the back double biceps, look the peak of his biceps, the thickness of his triceps and delt muscles and how separated and vascular all his arms' muscles are. This is game. Set. Match.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
^ this is crazy video ,, very impressive,, i dont understand how you can compare anyoen of the bodybuild todsay to this,, philsulina is not even jason level! and jason is not even franco level! and franco is just one of the worst mr o ever,, to compare all this to ron colman? ,,generation nothingness in its glory
gh15 approved
-
Perhaps some clavicle extensions?
-
it can only become more muscle on a little surface.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/148/images/Orville_Burke%20(42).jpg)
this is so much better on the eyes
-
Now that he is Mr. O, Phil will try to improve upon his already great "platform" and upgrade to model to "freaky"standards. I have noticed in all the pics of him in T-shirts and tanktops, his chest seems to take a backseat to his incredible arms...so, I'm thinking the game plan is to bring his chest up...whereas it's not as bad as Evan's and Phil has improved his chest...I see him packing on the pounds in this area.
put all his genetics limitations aside, he could improve on the chest and also he could widen the lats a little bit. as for the narrow shoulders, well, science has not develop anything yet on how to extend the skeleton bones.... :)
-
^ this is crazy video ,, very impressive,, i dont understand how you can compare anyoen of the bodybuild todsay to this,, philsulina is not even jason level! and jason is not even franco level! and franco is just one of the worst mr o ever,, to compare all this to ron colman? ,,generation nothingness in its glory
gh15 approved
Do you think a bber will reach that level ever again? If so, who do you have close to do so?
-
no one will reach it from this generation ,, i dont know who will ,, probably someone some day ,, but i havent seen them yet,, it will also happen by mistake ...someone who will not chase bodybuild persay ...it wil be someone from powerlifting backround...but even that fella will most likley only get to rons level ,, very hard to surpass it
gh15 approved
-
lean and mean dense and thick ,, seperated and cupped ,, chizeled manly dream kind of male to any female around ,, it scream fuck me ,,
can anybody illustrate this type of look with a picture?
-
can anybody illustrate this type of look with a picture?
ofcourse,, this is the thunderdome do a search and you will find,, my pupils can put here the kevin levrone video with the creed song....this is what that look is,, ofcourse to a lesser degree on 99% of bodybuildlers since kevin was hyper repsonder and very knowlegable in the drug department inaddition tovery strong and lifting heavy in gym... but the look he has in that video is what im talking about ,,
creed song video ,, they will find it for you
gh15 approved
-
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=430389;image)
Holy shit , genetics , genetics , genetics
More like juice, juice, juice.
-
Better than Ronnie? I don't think so.
-
Better than Ronnie? I don't think so.
Brutal gyno.
-
x2 cut the training bullshit.
lmao!
-
Never liked Ronnies arms. I have always been more of a fan of a Levrone-type peak than the Ronnie peaks that almost come to a point. Ronnie's tris were nothin special either. Just my opinion of course and can totally see how you would think Ron's are the best. When he got up towards 300lbs on stage you would think those fuckers were 23inches. Any guess what they topped out at measurement wise at their biggest?
-
(http://www.wtfgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/upsidedown.jpg)
(http://www.wtfgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/spotterfail.jpg)
-
Dorian MY ASS!!! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431020;image)
-
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY6XavwWofPwbGYm_vVlJ_MdKvZ8IKb5Wb_u1NT-FM_zM0ol8nxFxa9B6R)
(http://www.gym-trainer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ronnie-coleman.jpg)
(http://blogmuscle.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ronnie.jpg)
-
That top pic Mesomorph posted of Ron is sick. His bis and tris jump just pop with such separation from his shoulders. Insane and freaky!
-
That top pic Mesomorph posted of Ron is sick. His bis and tris jump just pop with such separation from his shoulders. Insane and freaky!
yup thats why i laugh when people say ronnie has no tris
-
yup thats why i laugh when people say ronnie has no tris
Dude that shot is fucking insane. That's like a 3-4inch valley where his shoulder and tris meet. WTF!!
-
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TCuqMz51WkI/AAAAAAAAMEY/ScezZH6PyN8/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+-+01+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)
-
Never liked Ronnies arms. I have always been more of a fan of a Levrone-type peak than the Ronnie peaks that almost come to a point. Ronnie's tris were nothin special either. Just my opinion of course and can totally see how you would think Ron's are the best. When he got up towards 300lbs on stage you would think those fuckers were 23inches. Any guess what they topped out at measurement wise at their biggest?
He's got some freaky ass arms, but Ive never like the black man arm structure. Long upper limb bone structure and pointy elbows suck.
-
Never liked Ronnies arms. I have always been more of a fan of a Levrone-type peak than the Ronnie peaks that almost come to a point. Ronnie's tris were nothin special either. Just my opinion of course and can totally see how you would think Ron's are the best. When he got up towards 300lbs on stage you would think those fuckers were 23inches. Any guess what they topped out at measurement wise at their biggest?
Levrone had very unimpressive peaks...sure his biceps inserted closer to his elbow like Sergio's did, but Sergio's were
more impressive, Levrone would curl, and it looked very unimpressive, compared to his outstanding tris...
Phil's arms have impressive tris and bis, although not as perfectly shaped as Flex's...
Ronnie's arms were freaky due to the double peak (or split bicep peak) that his biceps had...which is rare...
-
Levrone had very unimpressive peaks...sure his biceps inserted closer to his elbow like Sergio's did, but Sergio's were
more impressive, Levrone would curl, and it looked very unimpressive, compared to his outstanding tris...
Phil's arms have impressive tris and bis, although not as perfectly shaped as Flex's...
Ronnie's arms were freaky due to the double peak (or split bicep peak) that his biceps had...which is rare...
:D
-
Freaky ass arms :o :o :o
-
:)
-
How dare you post a pic of someone out peaking Ron Coleman! ::)
-
Ahhh, the tell tale peak w/o Flexing? Didn't he admit to SEO/synthol usage?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431182;image)
-
Ahhh, the tell tale peak w/o Flexing? Didn't he admit to SEO/synthol usage?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431182;image)
Did he? I'm not sure ???
-
it looks to me like ronnie used seo... lemme find the two pics
-
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TCuqMz51WkI/AAAAAAAAMEY/ScezZH6PyN8/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+-+01+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431022;image)
-
look at the above post... the top pic looks normal, his peak about the same height as his front delt, but in bottom pic the bicep looks proportionately 2x bigger, it is clearly enhanced
-
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1JMyIV0Voc1DzqZkTa2qu2yUcDqrorwIwwbGWkuguSAnR54C4qINPlcfK8g)
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431022;image)
::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395821.0;attach=431183;image)
::) lube in the outer head of the bicep. insulted ronnie with the comparison.
i think phil has better arms than ronnie but ronnie's bicep split is the best, it got more defined over the yrs, was there during his amateur days.
-
That last pic of Ron is f#ked up he looks piss poor
-
:o
-
Ron's biceps are INSANE
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372046.0;attach=409143;image)
:o
-
Hmm dunno man
In the first pic his forearm is at a right-angle
In the second pic his forearm is bent in towards is head - when you do this your peak increases
yeah i guess ur right, it's just that front db is so freaky lol whatever I'm callin oil on ronnie, I'M CALLIN IT, WHATEVER
-
yeah i guess ur right, it's just that front db is so freaky lol whatever I'm callin oil on ronnie, I'M CALLIN IT, WHATEVER
Ronnie didn't need oil, in fact his peak was freakier before he won the O, take a look at BFTO 97, he was streamlined and had freaky ass peaks, the shit was rediculous.
In The Unbelievable, he said he rarely trained biceps, as they'd get too big---I think in some stages in training, he would go all out, which is why he said that.
-
Hmm dunno man
In the first pic his forearm is at a right-angle
In the second pic his forearm is bent in towards is head - when you do this your peak increases
look directly underneathe his forarm, someone shoped the pic and longated his humerus, thus giving himless of a peek, good eye apply85
-
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY6XavwWofPwbGYm_vVlJ_MdKvZ8IKb5Wb_u1NT-FM_zM0ol8nxFxa9B6R)
Here is a bigger version.
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=278530.0;attach=318186;image)
-
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=278530.0;attach=318186;image)
3awd lihom f chi topic mali 9arfadtih ;D
mbawa9 coleman