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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
Shit like that can be permanent.
If he is battling depression, then his thought-processing is already severely out-of-whack. We only get older, not younger.
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Viagra and hookers
Aren't music videos illegal in Saudi?
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
This is serious enough not to fool around with. He should find a MD who knows both psychiatry and sports medicine/juicing. Not much of those around here in Holland, but maybe where he lives it's better....
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hahahahhah "Your Friend"
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After he hits the low lows he should be fine.
Get him some caffeine and ephinrina to super charge his workouts and allow him to eat big. This way he won't shrink too much nor will he get bloofy. It's very important for our sensitive egos especially coming off a cycle when we're melting down.
Hopefully he can pull himself out of the rut. I'm very positive but depression comes easily and things like this really allow suicidal thoughts to enter my mind. Despite how well things go in my life, for some these thoughts float into consciousness too easily.
Just be there to take him out and get his mind off shrinking. That's the big meltdown catalyst for most.
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I know people with severe depression. They don't function well in society, or anywhere for that matter. They may find meds that work for a time, but nearly everything else is contraindicated.
If they have health issues on top of it, I mean, how do you add misery to an already miserable situation? If there are relationship problems too?
There are treatment centers, but I have yet to see one work effectively. It all depends on the severity.
This is why when my clients ask me about juicing or taking recreational drugs, etc., I have to always inform them that if they are on Anti-depressants, the benefit to risk ratio is not worth it.
The nation's percentage of depressed, manic depressed and anxiety-ridden folks is overwhelming these days.
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Maybe he needs to look into test replacement therapy. Or he needs to get himself a couple hundred dbol and take ten mgs every morning during his post cycle therapy. I have done a lot of reading about this and did it myself. It makes coming off much easier. Once pct is over he can get some good test boosting supplements. Coming off is a shitty thing. I get a little depressed. I always take the fall and winters off and I notice my mood is pretty shitty for those 4-6 months.
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Just tell him to man up.
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I recommend trenbalonie ACE.
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Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
Hmmm..................Was " your friend " on medication BEFORE using AAS??? or was he put on medication AFTER he stopped using AAS?? Having Severe Depression that HASNT been treated then using AAS?? yaa............thats NOT a good combination. I myself have Anxiety Disorders with severe depression BUT i was MEDICATED before i started using Supplements, and when i say supplements, Creatine, NO, Etc....etc.......and i have never had a Bad reaction/interaction from mixing my medications with Supplements.
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Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"
At the very least one can only hope he lets the steroids clear his system so that the SSRI's can do their job.
He should consider staying "natural" if he wants a little comfort in this life.
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He's been on medication for years.
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He's been on medication for years.
Go back on the juice Chaos , fuck it .
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I know people with severe depression. They don't function well in society, or anywhere for that matter. They may find meds that work for a time, but nearly everything else is contraindicated.
If they have health issues on top of it, I mean, how do you add misery to an already miserable situation? If there are relationship problems too? There are treatment centers, but I have yet to see one work effectively. It all depends on the severity.
This is why when my clients ask me about juicing or taking recreational drugs, etc., I have to always inform them that if they are on Anti-depressants, the benefit to risk ratio is not worth it.
The nation's percentage of depressed, manic depressed and anxiety-ridden folks is overwhelming these days.
ABSOLUTELY.......and yes there are Treatment centers. I myself have been going to bascially An Adult Outpatient Program Center for people with Mental illness. For the past 9 months, have been taking PSR classes there too.
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Maybe he needs to look into test replacement therapy. Or he needs to get himself a couple hundred dbol and take ten mgs every morning during his post cycle therapy. I have done a lot of reading about this and did it myself. It makes coming off much easier. Once pct is over he can get some good test boosting supplements. Coming off is a shitty thing. I get a little depressed. I always take the fall and winters off and I notice my mood is pretty shitty for those 4-6 months.
why do you come off? back in '94, before Dr. Jekot went to prison(he was the big roid doc in L.A.-everybody would be in his office, Vic Richards, Barbarian Brothers, Ledelmeyer, everyone)he told me this,"if you really want to be truly huge, if you have the genetics for it, don't come off. if you really feel the need, however, do (30)weeks on, (3)weeks off, but that's all.why go off and lose all your gains?" Dr. Jekot was the doc responsible for getting steroids,GH out there in the aids/gay community to combat wasting. I think he knew what he was talking about.
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He's been on medication for years.
It'll be ok "Chaos", you just have to take it one day at a time.
Let this be a lesson for you kiddies: For many, steroids are physically AND psychologically addictive!
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He's been on medication for years.
How is he on his daily life? I mean, how does he act on and off his meds?
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Go back on the juice Chaos , fuck it .
This....
"come off" ??
I don't understand
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cialis..
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At the very least one can only hope he lets the steroids clear his system so that the SSRI's can do their job.
He should consider staying "natural" if he wants a little comfort in this life.
EXACTLY. I was on medication for a good 6/7 months before using Supplements ( not AAS ).
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I know people with severe depression. They don't function well in society, or anywhere for that matter. They may find meds that work for a time, but nearly everything else is contraindicated.
If they have health issues on top of it, I mean, how do you add misery to an already miserable situation? If there are relationship problems too?
There are treatment centers, but I have yet to see one work effectively. It all depends on the severity.
This is why when my clients ask me about juicing or taking recreational drugs, etc., I have to always inform them that if they are on Anti-depressants, the benefit to risk ratio is not worth it.
The nation's percentage of depressed, manic depressed and anxiety-ridden folks is overwhelming these days.
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ABSOLUTELY.......and yes there are Treatment centers. I myself have been going to bascially An Adult Outpatient Program Center for people with Mental illness. For the past 9 months, have been taking PSR classes there too.
There is nothing better than a qualified support group... if you can find one. I'm sure through trial and error eventually people can find those who suit their needs, but more often than not, it's a crap shoot.
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Get full hormonal blood work ASAP. What did he take? What was his PCT protocol?
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Your "friend" is a weak minded individual.
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ROFL @ all those morons bashing this guy for being depressed since it's unmanly to be depressed. You have no fucking idea what depression is, how to treat it and honestly, you guys sound like old, uneducated "tough" idiots'. You have no idea what this guy been through, maybe his family died? Maybe he's got some other problems? Maybe it's due to hormonal imbalance? I wanna see how tough you guys would be with 0 testosterone or after burying your whole family.
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There is no doubt in my mind that steroids effect the mind. When on most guys feel confident, aggressive, happy and full of energy. When you go completely off as the drugs leave your system you feel meek, depressed, nervous, and have a feeling of not feeling well as your body goes catabolic.
Hormones affect emotions heavily. Both estrogen and adrogens.
This is one of the reasons I feel that steroids are addictive. Who wants to feel and look like shit when your are off cycle for a couple of months? Start again then you start feeling great. I never really heard anyone say they are addictive but I believe they are.
Of course there is no research. No one is going to study recreational use of bodybuilding drugs by the sub culture of drug using bodybuilders.
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Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"
So did he feel bad WHILE on steroids too?
If he felt good on the steroids then I would taper down the steroids instead of going cold turkey. Like a cc of test a week and a Proviron a day and then after a number of weeks taper down off that. Maybe higher test at the start of taper if his dosages used to be real high. Huge hormonal fluctuations can really wreck havoc on the mental state.
lots of other things come into play too such as the anti-d, if he just started it or has been on it for a while. If just started it can take quite a while to start working and they can make depression worse initially. The specific anti-d could be wrong for him also, and could be switched.
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Must be a white guy
negros are never depressed
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Good questions guys, I'll get back with some answers as soon as I can.
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Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"
depends on his system. could be as early a 6 weeks as long as 6 months. a lot of variables come into play- like how long he's been shut down.
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depends on his system. could be as early a 6 weeks as long as 6 months. a lot of variables come into play- like how long he's been shut down.
Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.
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Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.
Let him take care, man. I've guys like him turn into babies...not kidding again.
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Why did he come off? LOL... seriosuly though... Juice doesnt make people crazy, but it certainly won't help those who are already nuts.
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Good questions guys, I'll get back with some answers as soon as I can.
Ask Jason Genova he may know. ;D
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Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.
Sounds like he was fucked up already before the juice.
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.
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I'd be careful with anti depressants. I'm obviously way more liberal with drugs but anti depressants are one thing I'm heavily opposed to. We don't know enough about these "chemical imbalances". And even with an imbalance there are still cognitive practices that one can exercise to break the cycle.
I've had the best experiences using mushrooms to be honest. The afterglow is amazing and the trips are very introspective if you have the right mind set (watching the LOTR trilogy while munching out on junk food isn't what I'm talking about). Obviously the majority of the trip was me just being stoned off my gourd, but you can really learn a lot from psychedelics.
When you step out of your ego you can really look at things in a way you could never fathom sober - people can scoff at drugs all they want, but this is something unique to psychedelics, you can't reproduce this while sober. How invaluable of a cognitive tool is this??? And those lessons you learn stick with you in the sober world too. You don't need to be a druggy whatsoever. I know a lot of very knowledgeable fellas who exclusively use psychedelics for this purpose and never just to trip (that's just an enjoyable side affect). There are studies about mushrooms and MDMA being a very effective therapeutic tool if used correctly and I strongly agree.
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get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.
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One must be very careful coming off of SSRI's... especially coming off exogenous hormones AND SSRI's... there may be so many variables to his situation, but coming off of longly prescribed SSRI's can not only be dangerous, but can also be fatal.
It all depends where his mind truly is and what caused him to get on SSRI's in the first place. There are myriads of research on the subject, but nothing definitive when it comes to individuality.
One man's happiness can easily be another's sorrow and demise.
All I can say is this: Get help from a qualified professional. The mind is such a powerful tool.
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Coming off hormones is hard anyway. He needs some time for his system to be right, which takes months.
Personally i felt much better off hormones and looked better facially. I didn't change that much physique wise, mainly just the fluid retention. But no-one will agree with that.
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ROFL @ all those morons bashing this guy for being depressed since it's unmanly to be depressed. You have no fucking idea what depression is, how to treat it and honestly, you guys sound like old, uneducated "tough" idiots'. You have no idea what this guy been through, maybe his family died? Maybe he's got some other problems? Maybe it's due to hormonal imbalance? I wanna see how tough you guys would be with 0 testosterone or after burying your whole family.
Yup. Alot of People have no idea how bad Depression can get, especially by having a mental illness' or illness' thats causing it. Im not one too wish ANY kind of Terrible affliction on anybody BUT everybody whos talks shit about people with mental illness', i would LOVE/PAY too see them try too live with Not ONE BUT MULITPLE Mental Illness' like i myself have. Life Aint Fair nor is life easy................but neither is living with Mental Illness'. When it comes down too it..........MIND IS EVERYTHING.............. WHEN THE MIND DOESNT WORK PROPERLY, NEITHER WILL THE BODY.........THE BODY FOLLOWS THE MIND AND THE MIND LEADS/CONTROLS THE BODY.
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Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.
k cause just coming off anabolics will trigger depression in some.
so if he's all ready battling depression it's a perfect storm.
also the type of compounds he was using could be contributing his condition as well.
in all like I think van b said a lot of variables come into play.
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This....
"come off" ??
I don't understand
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I know sooooooo many people on these GD no good Fukin anti depressants that are depressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus people need to stop whining and take a hit by life once in a while and stop the blood clot crying. Deal with it instead of looking for a pill to make you feel all warm inside. These pills CAUSE depression among a host of other things including weight gain low sex drive. Next time you feel all whiney dial whine one one.
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large amounts of alcohol will fix your shit
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I know sooooooo many people on these GD no good Fukin anti depressants that are depressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus people need to stop whining and take a hit by life once in a while and stop the blood clot crying. Deal with it instead of looking for a pill to make you feel all warm inside. These pills CAUSE depression among a host of other things including weight gain low sex drive. Next time you feel all whiney dial whine one one.
People Who " take a hit by life " or in other words experience Unfortunate Everyday life Occurances dont need Anti-Depressant medications. Anti-depressants are only for people who have Severe Depression thats caused by a Mental Illness or illness'.
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People Who " take a hit by life " or in other words experience Unfortunate Everyday life Occurances dont need Anti-Depressant medications. Anti-depressants are only for people who have Severe Depression thats caused by a Mental Illness or illness'.
Yep
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One must be very careful coming off of SSRI's... especially coming off exogenous hormones AND SSRI's... there may be so many variables to his situation, but coming off of longly prescribed SSRI's can not only be dangerous, but can also be fatal.
It all depends where his mind truly is and what caused him to get on SSRI's in the first place. There are myriads of research on the subject, but nothing definitive when it comes to individuality.
One man's happiness can easily be another's sorrow and demise.
All I can say is this: Get help from a qualified professional. The mind is such a powerful tool.
+1
The link between depression meds and suicide, especially in teens, is so underreported.
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it doesn't matter what your life sitiation is. if the chemicals in your brain are off balance you will be dpressed no matter how good your life is.
on the other hand you may think your life is perfect when in reality it;s the worst.
so yes depression is not just a matter of "manning up"
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it doesn't matter what your life sitiation is. if the chemicals in your brain are off balance you will be dpressed no matter how good your life is.
on the other hand you may think your life is perfect when in reality it;s the worst.
so yes depression is not just a matter of "manning up"
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to your Dr tomorrow and tell him your a little depressed and see what he give you!!! They will never give you a test to test your brain chemicals. ::)
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
YES.
This makes 4 weeks I've been off. Last week I did nothing but sleep and drink heavily...and I don't drink. I just wanted to die. It's the worst crash I've experienced but I was on for two years straight. I've lost only a little strength but difference in appearance is night & day for me at least. I'm sore again and I have no real motivation to train but I believe that's more mental than physical.
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get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.
I actually agree with you 1000%. those things do more damage than they supposedly "cure".
tough it out....sometimes life isn't all rosy...but you will get through it
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Depression is for pussies and old ladies.
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to your Dr tomorrow and tell him your a little depressed and see what he give you!!! They will never give you a test to test your brian chemicals. ::)
Exactly. Medication is at the very bottom of the list when it comes to people who dont have depression from a mental illness'. Your doc would simply tell you too probably eat better/healthier and exercise more and get a good nights sleep.
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
Must suck to realize that all your muscle were fake and a product of drugs once you get off the juice!
Must suck even more that you are impotent and your balls have the size of peanuts!
Must suck that you'll never be the same you were before you took steroid because you screw-up your endocrine sistem for life!
Must suck to be like your friend!
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Yep
I myself have been on Anti-depressants for 6 years but I HAVE mental illness' that cause Depression.
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it doesn't matter what your life sitiation is. if the chemicals in your brain are off balance you will be dpressed no matter how good your life is.
on the other hand you may think your life is perfect when in reality it;s the worst.
so yes depression is not just a matter of "manning up"
you are talking about people with a real "disorder" wich is not the case about 99% of the people taking depression meds
yes some people need them,
yes some people need to man the fuck up
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Depression is for pussies and old ladies.
Until it happens to you, my friend. :)
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large amounts of alcohol will fix your shit
Like a band-aid...alcohol is only a temporary fix and will actually exacerbate the situation farther down the road. Not only with mental health, but also with physical health.
One would have to assume you are being facetious, no?
Ironically, alcohol is what many depressive folks are drowning in at this very moment. It perpetuates, and then there is Hell to pay.
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Until it happens to you, my friend. :)
yes no one understands depression till they've had it
no im not depressive but i've been through it. I didn't choose to feel like shit. not much you can do about it. just takes time
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now im talking real depression, not emo attention whores. ,most people with real depression don't really let anyone know anyway
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Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"
Should see an Endocrinologist to get it back to normal asap. If there were no mental problems I would say fine let it go, but the combo of the anti-depressants and steroids are not a good for someone who has been diagnosed with mental problems.
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Pick a room in the house. This will be your safe room. Fill this room with all the love of the getbig family. Sit inside and let the love envelop and wash over you. Imagine a smiling Alex put his arm around you and tell you "it's not serious"...imagine Newmom tell the world it is your birthday and feed you the most delicious cake you've ever eaten. Imagine Baygbm open his D&G bag and bring out a full tube of KY while showing you hunks on his apple mac, newly upgraded with Lion. Imagine a beaming Vince Goodrum..just the whites of eyes showing...with a jester hat on and pulling silly poses in front of you with his copious pubic hair spilling out the sides of his trunks. Imagine Joe Coach Loco and his fifteen ex-wives braiding your hair with flowers.
Laugh, cry. Listen to REM's "Everybody hurts". Ask people for cuddles and kiss your dog's stomach.
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Like a band-aid...alcohol is only a temporary fix and will actually exacerbate the situation farther down the road. Not only with mental health, but also with physical health.
One would have to assume you are being facetious, no?
Ironically, alcohol is what many depressive folks are drowning in at this very moment. It perpetuates, and then there is Hell to pay.
Yep. I myself use to Self medicate with alcohol back in my teens...........a few days later...........PFFF. No Good.
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Must be a white guy
negros are never depressed
crazy, isn't it?
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Until it happens to you, my friend. :)
Impossible , I'm not a pussy or an old lady.
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crazy, isn't it?
fuck yeah
never seen a black guy depressed exept Wigg's episodes on here
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All that John Lennon harped on about was wanting peace. He's fucking got it now, you don't get more peaceful than that.
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http://bpmha.org/menu.htm
http://www.blackmentalhealth.org.uk/
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/09/12/2005/52113/Special-Report-black-people-over-represented-in-mental-health.htm
Special Report: black people over represented in mental health system
Josephine Hocking
Black people are more likely to go into psychiatric hospital than the rest of the population, they are admitted more under the Mental Health Act and are more likely to experience seclusion and physical restraint once inside the mental health system.
Black people are also more likely to be referred to psychiatric services by the police and court, according to the first ever census on the ethnicity of inpatients in mental health services in England and Wales published this week.
The Count me in mental health and ethnicity census was carried out by the Healthcare Commission, the Mental Health Act Commission and the National Institute for Mental Health in England and describes services on 31 March 2005 and records ethnicity on 33,828 people, which is 99 per cent of people eligible for the census. Patients were cared for by 102 NHS trusts and 110 private and voluntary sector providers.
Ninety per cent were NHS patients and 70 per cent were being cared for in just 23 of the 212 pyschiatric hospitals and units monitored.
Although shocking, none of the findings are that surprising. Numerous other recent studies show more mental illness, higher rates of admission to psychiatric care and detention among black people.
The main facts the census uncovered are as follows:
• Almost 10 per cent of mental health inpatients are black or mixed-race. But these ethnic groups make up 3% of the general population, according to the 2001 census.
• Black people are three times more likely to be admitted to psychiatric hospitals in England and Wales than the rest of the population.
• Black people are up to 44 per cent more likely to be detained under the Mental Health Act.
• They are twice as likely to be referred to mental health services by the police and courts as the rest of the population. Black people are less likely to be referred by their GP than white people.
• Within psychiatric services black men are about 50 per cent more likely than average to be put into seclusion in closed rooms.
• Rates of control and restraint are 29 per cent higher among black Caribbean men than the average for all inpatients.
• Black and mixed race men are more likely to be on a medium or high secure ward.
Ethnic monitoring has been mandatory in mental health services since 1995 but has “not been done well,” say Sir Ian Kennedy, Healthcare Commission chairman and Kamlesh Patel, Mental Health Act Commission chairman, in their joint foreword to the report.
This is the first time robust information about the ethnicity of inpatients in mental health services has been gathered. “The importance of information on the ethnic background of people who use services cannot be overstated,” notes the report.
However the aim of the census is to provide information, not solutions.
“It demands an explanation. It does not provide one. The job of discovering the reasons behind the data must be undertaken with urgency,” say Kennedy and Patel.
The pair continue: “It is wrong and intolerable if someone is categorised as mentally ill and hospitalised solely on the basis of colour or ethnic origin.
“It is equally wrong and intolerable if someone who is mentally ill and would benefit from care in hospital did not have that benefit because those charged with such decisions are anxious that they may be accused of racial prejudice.”
Mental health charities say the census results are not surprising and must inform action.
Mind says the census backs up its “ongoing concerns that there are worryingly high levels of direct and institutional racism in the NHS.”
Director of policy Sophie Corlett called for the government to change the draft Mental Health Bill. She said the bill “currently creates rather than solves racial equality issues”.
Corlett also said the government has “failed to conduct proper racial equality impact assessments for the bill”.
It is not only Mind saying this. A leaked report from a government-appointed advisory group claims a full race impact assessment of the Mental Health Bill has not been carried out.
The Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 makes an assessment legally binding. This means the Mental Health Bill could be legally challenged.
At the Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health, chief executive Angela Greatley says: “Black people have known for a long time that they get admitted to hospital too readily and lack the same treatment choices as white people. Now the scale of the problem is clear.
Mental health services face an uphill task to deliver race equality,” she says, urging “concerted action, backed up with new investment,” to address the issues.
“The inequalities laid bare must be a cue for action and not become accepted as routine fact,” added Greatley.
Other statistics from the survey:
• Almost 80 per cent of patients were on mixed sex wards
• Six per cent of inpatients said they spoke a language other than English as their first language. This figure was over 60% for Chinese inpatients
• Nearly 45 per cent of inpatients said they were Church of England, 13% Roman Catholic, 3% Muslim. Less than 2% of inpatients were Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist. 20% of patients did not have a religion.
• Patients from all minority ethnic groups were generally younger than patients from the white groups. This finding is representative of the general population, where members of black and minority ethnic groups are younger overall.
• Three per cent of patients were on a high secure ward
• Fifty five per cent of inpatients were men and 45% were women in total. Among white groups, these percentages were similar. But the proportion of men was higher among inpatients from other ethnic groups.
Sixteen ethnic categories were used in the census. These are white British, white Irish, other white, white and black Caribbean, white and black African, white and Asian, other mixed, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, other Asian, black Caribbean, black African, other black, Chinese, and other.
There will be another census in 2006, extended to include inpatients with learning disabilities.
Health minister Rosie Winterton says she is “confident that we have started to build the sort of service that can make the inequalities that the census confirms a thing of the past”.
Many in mental health do not share her optimism.
And America
http://www.learnmax.in/Multicultural-Psychology/169.html
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some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.
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some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.
x2.
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Must suck to realize that all your muscle were fake and a product of drugs once you get off the juice!
Must suck even more that you are impotent and your balls have the size of peanuts!
Must suck that you'll never be the same you were before you took steroid because you screw-up your endocrine sistem for life!
Must suck to be like your friend!
Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.
He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
this could be a serious problem. i have seen blood test come back with free test being in the 50's. when test is low and estrogen is high it will def mess with you mentally. you become like an unstable female :D but no really he needs to get on an anti depressant if he is that bad along with pct ASAP
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Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.
He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?
more than likely yes they will prescribe HRT. alot of bbers go to the doc after a cycle to get there blood test. they will be LOW the doc will prescribe some test :)
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I was on for awhile decided to off not sure why, maybe liked the idea of losing muscle and putting on bodyfat...
Anyway this is what I did
HCG
2500iu EOD for 12injects
100mg of clomid ED for 4-6weeks
40mg Nolva ED 4-6weeks
Got bloods done before coming off, after coming off and during HCG protocol. After fewmonths everything back to normal.
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some hobby psychiatrists in here should stop giving tips.
x10000.
Together with my thread about hypochondria, i can see 70% of getbiggers will suffer from depression now.
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
Chaos bhai, you should NEVER start any advise seeking question with "a friend/buddy of mine has problem X/Y/Z" bhai, bad call.
This is G&O man, they are going to rip that shit, yeah a buddy of yours, yeah sure...
This is serious enough not to fool around with. He should find a MD who knows psychiatry
Or he could just go & lay in a ditch full of pit-Vipers.
That is no doubt how he got on the SSRI meds in the 1'st place ::)
PT
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Chaos bhai, you should NEVER start any advise seeking question with "a friend/buddy of mine has problem X/Y/Z" bhai, bad call.
This is G&O man, they are going to rip that shit, yeah a buddy of yours, yeah sure...
Or he could just go & lay in a ditch full of pit-Vipers.
That is no doubt how he got on the SSRI meds in the 1'st place ::)
PT
Yeah, I knew before I posted, but he came to me for advice and I figure if anyone knows about steroids and the interaction of antidepression meds it's getbiggers. ;D
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Yeah, I knew before I posted, but he came to me for advice and I figure if anyone knows about steroids and the interaction of antidepression meds it's getbiggers. ;D
Steroids should be a substitution for anti meds
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Again, not about muscle size or strength or ball size and he was on medications before he ever touched steroids.
He says he felt better on them and the doc tells him he has to wait 2 months to test his levels to make sure the results aren't skewed. If his levels are screwed to super low levels, will they prescribe his some test? Would be kinda ironic wouldn't it?
2 months? He needs to see another doctor, this is ridiculous IMO.
And no, it's not all that ironic. I should say though there's not enough info here to make a sound judgment, we don't know exactly what this guy was doing, what he was taking, how much, etc. Even so, if his test levels are suppressed significantly than that could very easily be causing major depression issues.
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Just simply seek professional help. That's all there is to it.
Asking the question here gives you a million differing opinions, some of which are good and some very bad.
Nobody can get inside your (whomever's) head without some time and effort. Trial and Error.
It takes time.
So far the only really positive thing is the fact that someone is at the very least *admitting* that they are depressed. Not saying anything makes things worse.
"Manning up" is not the solution. If it were, we wouldn't need professionals.
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Just simply seek professional help. That's all there is to it.
Asking the question here gives you a million differing opinions, some of which are good and some very bad.
Nobody can get inside your (whomever's) head without some time and effort. Trial and Error.
It takes time.
So far the only really positive thing is the fact that someone is at the very least *admitting* that they are depressed. Not saying anything makes things worse.
"Manning up" is not the solution. If it were, we wouldn't need professionals.
He understand that, like I said his doctor said 2 months before tests to determine his levels, he wanted to know if that sounds normal or common, I don't know. The depression issues and medication were there before the juice, the juice did not cause the depression, but his highs and lows have been uncontrollable coming off.
BTW, it's not me buttholes! >:( ;D
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He understand that, like I said his doctor said 2 months before tests to determine his levels, he wanted to know if that sounds normal or common, I don't know. The depression issues and medication were there before the juice, the juice did not cause the depression, but his highs and lows have been uncontrollable coming off.
BTW, it's not me buttholes! >:( ;D
Messing with one of your neurotransmitters (serotonin)& one of t=your main hormones (testosterone), is a recipe for disaster IMO.
Are the meds SSRI??
PT
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
TELL HIM TO GTFO THOSE PRESCRIPTION MEDS. EVERYBODY OFF. THATS WHATS GETTING AMERICA FUCKED UP--PRESCRIPTION MEDS. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THIS ERA.
GET HIM OFF OF THEM!!!! I MEAN THIS WITH EXTREME SINCERITY.
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lol thats Mike Dayton, strong guy used to bend US quarters with his bare hands.
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I actually agree with you 1000%. those things do more damage than they supposedly "cure".
tough it out....sometimes life isn't all rosy...but you will get through it
On my job once, I encountered this one lady who was on antidepressants...she was laughing at the situation...and she was in some real deep ish...but, her meds didn't allow her to comprehend the severity of her situation...it was like she was watching Rainbow Bright while high...
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On my job once, I encountered this one lady who was on antidepressants...she was laughing at the situation...and she was in some real deep ish...but, her meds didn't allow her to comprehend the severity of her situation...it was like she was watching Rainbow Bright while high...
its according what you are on. i know several people that function very well with anti depressants. if you have done alot of rec drugs often later in life you will need them. just the sad truth
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I read a study on depression many years ago and they found that there is very little if any depression in third world countries. Depression seems to be reserve for the more prosperous cultures and societies. After interviewing and observing people of various cultures they saw that those who were struggling just to survive didn't really have the "time" or the "luxury" to contemplate the meaning of life and what they expect from it. Just as in prosperous societies no one ask themselves "Why me?" when things are going great -- which is most of the time. In less fortunate cultures they don't ask themselves "Why me?" when tragedy befalls them. They have long learned to accept hardship as just a normal part of life. They are far more accepting of the ebb and flow, the ups and downs of life.
They found an almost inverse relationship between expectations and gratitude. Happiness is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have in life without gratitude. And with expectations you cannot have gratitude. When you "expect" something and get it you are not grateful because you "expected" it. You were entitled to it and deserve it -- whatever that "it" is. But if you don't get "it." You don't get what you FEEL you are rightfully entitled to and deserve you feel a sense of injustice, unfairness, cheated. In prosperous cultures you tend to have a relatively unrealistic expectations of what real life is like. This tends to effect woman more than men as they are practically brought up with the notion that they will be living happy everlastingly with Mr. Right. It is not a coincidence that women go through their own mid life crisis at around their late 20s early 30s when their youth is fading and they look at their life and say, "Is this it?"
Not surprisingly if you were born and raised in the Congo, Somalia, Calcutta, chances are your expectations are quite low and you are eternally grateful to get whatever you can. One doesn't have the luxury to feel sorry for themselves as everyone is in the same boat.
And also the idea that the purpose in life is to be happy is a relatively new one. Look at pictures of people during the Civil War era and the days of the pioneer. Noticed nobody ever smile. It's not because they were miserable or unhappy. These were notions hardly, if ever, even considered. They were preoccupied with building better lives for themselves and their children. They were building a new country. They were preoccupied with a deep sense of purpose. Survival, food on the table, bettering themselves.
You can talk a lot about chemical imbalances and all that. A relatively new phenomenons as well in modern Western culture. Sometimes I wonder if it's the chemical imbalances that is causing the depression or is it the depression causing the chemical imbalances. And why now? And why don't they have it Communist China or Belarus?
I was lucky in that I had a parent from a third world country who suffered real hardship and real hunger and poverty. Always taught us to be grateful and never tolerated whining and feeling sorry for yourself. That just being born in America put his head over heels above the rest of the world. That though things can get bad, very bad, chances are they can always be worse. I remember when my mom got hit by a car and had to be in a wheel chair. She was a very active person and this was really a blow. But she didn't seemed bothered by it. Or at least she didn't show it -- which in itself is also important. I remember she just said with a smile, "Well, at least I have a wheel chair to ride around in."
Not everyone can smile being in a wheel chair. I'm not sure if I could. But, I guess things could be worse -- so maybe I'll try anyway. Maybe at least for the ones who do have it worse but can still smile.
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I read a study on depression many years ago and they found that there is very little if any depression in third world countries. Depression seems to be reserve for the more prosperous cultures and societies. After interviewing and observing people of various cultures they saw that those who were struggling just to survive didn't really have the "time" or the "luxury" to contemplate the meaning of life and what they expect from it. Just as in prosperous societies no one ask themselves "Why me?" when things are going great -- which is most of the time. In less fortunate cultures they don't ask themselves "Why me?" when tragedy befalls them. They have long learned to accept hardship as just a normal part of life. They are far more accepting of the ebb and flow, the ups and downs of life.
They found an almost inverse relationship between expectations and gratitude. Happiness is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have in life without gratitude. And with expectations you cannot have gratitude. When you "expect" something and get it you are not grateful because you "expected" it. You were entitled to it and deserve it -- whatever that "it" is. But if you don't get "it." You don't get what you FEEL you are rightfully entitled to and deserve you feel a sense of injustice, unfairness, cheated. In prosperous cultures you tend to have a relatively unrealistic expectations of what real life is like. This tends to effect woman more than men as they are practically brought up with the notion that they will be living happy everlastingly with Mr. Right. It is not a coincidence that women go through their own mid life crisis at around their late 20s early 30s when their youth is fading and they look at their life and say, "Is this it?"
Not surprisingly if you were born and raised in the Congo, Somalia, Calcutta, chances are your expectations are quite low and you are eternally grateful to get whatever you can. One doesn't have the luxury to feel sorry for themselves as everyone is in the same boat.
And also the idea that the purpose in life is to be happy is a relatively new one. Look at pictures of people during the Civil War era and the days of the pioneer. Noticed nobody ever smile. It's not because they were miserable or unhappy. These were notions hardly, if ever, even considered. They were preoccupied with building better lives for themselves and their children. They were building a new country. They were preoccupied with a deep sense of purpose. Survival, food on the table, bettering themselves.
You can talk a lot about chemical imbalances and all that. A relatively new phenomenons as well in modern Western culture. Sometimes I wonder if it's the chemical imbalances that is causing the depression or is it the depression causing the chemical imbalances. And why now? And why don't they have it Communist China or Belarus?
I was lucky in that I had a parent from a third world country who suffered real hardship and real hunger and poverty. Always taught us to be grateful and never tolerated whining and feeling sorry for yourself. That just being born in America put his head over heels above the rest of the world. That though things can get bad, very bad, chances are they can always be worse. I remember when my mom got hit by a car and had to be in a wheel chair. She was a very active person and this was really a blow. But she didn't seemed bothered by it. Or at least she didn't show it -- which in itself is also important. I remember she just said with a smile, "Well, at least I have a wheel chair to ride around in."
Not everyone can smile being in a wheel chair. I'm not sure if I could. But, I guess things could be worse -- so maybe I'll try anyway. Maybe at least for the ones who do have it worse but can still smile.
you make alot of valid points. i really enjoyed your post. i do agree with it alot. sometimes people are just unhappy just because. but there are also people that do have chemical imbalances and are legit. you have people in the societies that are depressed as well but have no option but to move on and keep going. there is no doctor to go to. i wonder what the suicide rate is in the countries. psychology is relatively new but it doesn't mean that there is not real science behind it. there is such a taboo about using anti depressants or going to talk to someone about your problems...to me seeking help is the right thing to do. so yes we are a society that is spoiled but why not take advantage of some of the advances in medicine that have been made IF you need it.
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Great post, pellius.
Actually there are several studies that suggest that the wealthier a country, the more likely the people living there will suffer from depression.
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It's funny, when you are a kid you have no testosterone yet you are happy and energetic. But when you are an adult and develop low testosterone levels, such as after a steroid cycle, you can feel like shit mentally and physically. It is like you become dependent on testosterone, like a junkie is dependent on heroin. I think testosterone can cause permanent changes to the wiring of the brain, I remember reading that in some studies.
it could cause an imbalance..i take that back it does cause an imbalance when it is low. you have indolence when are hormones are raging(look at the suicide rates in teens) then it goes down as we age(look at the suicide rate or depression studies in middle aged men) so yes it does have an effect. IMO tren is the worst for this. it can make an unstable person not very fun to be around to say the least
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who is going to diagnose depression in the third world ::)
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who is going to diagnose depression in the third world ::)
By the five year study I mentioned. ::)
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Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection.
They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.
In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
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Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection.
They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.
In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
100% spot on.
The internet and mobile phones have almost made it unnecessary to speak to other people.
Need directions, or looking for a good restaurant nearby? Internet on your smartphone.
It's fucked up, people don't talk to each other. I really feel hate when i see a young mother on the playground or pushing a baby stroller looking at her phone, totally ignoring the kid.
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it could cause an imbalance..i take that back it does cause an imbalance when it is low. you have indolence when are hormones are raging(look at the suicide rates in teens) then it goes down as we age(look at the suicide rate or depression studies in middle aged men) so yes it does have an effect. IMO tren is the worst for this. it can make an unstable person not very fun to be around to say the least
I can speak from first hand experience in this regard. I've been on HRT since I was 40 yrs. old. I'm 51 now. When I was 46 I got laid off and lost my health insurance. In addition, I had moved to another State so I was unable to get set up with a new endocrinologist. I went from six years of non stop weekly testosterone injections to nothing for about 4-5 months. By the second month I felt like crap. Despite maintaining my training program and being even more strict on my diet -- I actually made it a point to take in more protein, I slowly but surely loss strength and muscle tone. And though I didn't have nearly the energy and get up and go that I use to have I certainly wasn't depressed. Sure I wasn't whistling Dixie nor was I exactly the life of the party but at no time did I have this "poor me" or "what does it all mean?" and "I just can't get out of bed and face the world" emotional crisis. And it's not like I don't know what depression is. I had all the teenage angst and broken heart and all that "poor me" and feeling sorry for yourself thing that we all go through. But I came from a family of nine and with 3 kids crammed in a room no one gave a crap and sympathy was nonexistent and you had to pretty much, as one poster mentioned "no option but to move on and keep going."
I try to keep things in perspective. So I have the testosterone levels of an 80 year old man. My father is 80 and he always seems blissfully at peace with the world. There are worse things that can happen to a person than low testosterone. Especially when it can be treated. And one thing that I ALWAYS keep in mind, and that is the words on the "magic" ring of King Solomon. And those words are: This Too Shall Pass.
Nothing in this life last forever. Not the good times. Not the bad. Not even life itself.
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King Solomon, feeling blue, asked his advisors to find him a ring he had once seen in a dream.
"When I feel satisfied I’m afraid that it won’t last. And when I don’t, I am afraid my sorrow will go on forever. Find me the ring that will ease my suffering." he demanded.
Solomon sent out all of his advisors, and eventually one of them met an old jeweler who carved into a simple gold band the inscription, "This too Shall Pass." When the king received his ring and read the inscription, his sorrows turned to joy and his joy to sorrows, and then both gave way to equanimity.
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Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection.
They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.
In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
Spot on. Especially the last sentence.
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This is almost as bad as Groinks "my friend wants to know if he should buy this GH" thread
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This is almost as bad as Groinks "my friend wants to know if he should buy this GH" thread
x2,
PIP Chaos.
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Impossible , I'm not a pussy or an old lady.
But you're a fucking socialist and have mass murderer and communist in your avatar you fucking piece of shit.
Why no one fucking bans him? Can I have nazi flag in my avatar?
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We are here for you Chaos
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But you're a fucking socialist and have mass murderer and communist in your avatar you fucking piece of shit.
Why no one fucking bans him? Can I have nazi flag in my avatar?
Yes you can. Stop melting down.
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Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection.
They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.
In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
Very good post.
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wow to this thread
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This is almost as bad as Groinks "my friend wants to know if he should buy this GH" thread
x2,
PIP Chaos.
;D
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get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.
This is bullshit. Never quit AD's on your own..
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This is bullshit. Never quit AD's on your own..
x2. Ive been on Anti-depressants for 6 years, and im not fat, lazy, etc.........When you say Fat, your talking about the side effects of the medication. Some Meds INCREASE your appetite and others decrease. Same with Antiphyscotics. My buddy took Risperdal and said he ate like there was NO TOMORROW.
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Everything about our modern, developed world is about creating a dissatisfaction with your position and place. Doing ok? should do better - look at Richie from across the road he has a much better car and hotter wife. Haven't made anything of yourself? Well, you're a fucking failure. Maybe mommy didn't show you enough love and daddy left you when you needed him most? This ultimately leads to an unhappiness with oneself. In the third world there often isn't the opportunity for such introspection.
They also have A LOT of sex. Not uncommon for the poorest families to boast well over ten kids.
In amongst the skyscrapers, the cell phones, the free wifi, the gyms, the restaurants there are a lot of isolated and alienated people.
good post x2
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But you're a fucking socialist and have mass murderer and communist in your avatar you fucking piece of shit.
Why no one fucking bans him? Can I have nazi flag in my avatar?
Sure, but you can NOT have Dexter Jackson in your avatar...
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We are here for you Chaos
;D ;D
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Very good post.
I agree. There are a number of them here.
I don't want what the next guy has. I just want inner peace. If I was surrounded by those types of people, then I would want what they have.
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Well he's getting everything checked tomorrow so we'll see what happens.
Thanks to the "real" advice givers, you know who you are.
BTW, it's still not me, pencildicks!!! ;D
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Well he's getting everything checked tomorrow so we'll see what happens.
Thanks to the "real" advice givers, you know who you are.
BTW, it's still not me, pencildicks!!! ;D
Heads up, Chaos, you will be fine!
Admitting your weakness is the first step to healing!!! Stay strong, bro!
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Someone here should take the initiative to draw a "get well soon Chaos" and we could all sign it
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For Chaos,
with love
Stavios
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Well he's getting everything checked tomorrow so we'll see what happens.
Thanks to the "real" advice givers, you know who you are.
BTW, it's still not me, pencildicks!!! ;D
I hope you feel better soon, my friend .
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"get well" DK II
"Stay strong bro" Stavios
"you should do something about your chest, try some low reps with heavier weights" Alexxx
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We all know you can ,stay strong .
WE LOVE YOU CHAOS
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Thread brings a tear to my eye!
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anti depressants only cover the problems which are past traumas enkysted in the subconscious. It virtually, artifically makes you feel better, but it doesnt solve what makes you feel bad. When you stop them, nothing changed, if you didnt change a thing by yourself, by thinking/ discussing with other significant people who are often the reason why you feel bad in the firstplace. Worse... it destroys your ability to feel good ...by yourself once you get off. It actually makes you even more depressed and "weird". And it makes a lot of people very rich. the same people who shit on religion. Connect the dots.
Anti depressants , psychology, psychanalysis only nowadays do the job Religion did in the past. We abandonned religion, now we need all these fixes that dont work. BEcause people are atheists, and believe in no/others gods that always lie to you and you figure it when it's too late. They do not educate their kids anymore. They re too self centered.
All we need are fathers, mothers, who love each others and who believe in God and teach us to walk the way they walk, themselves following the guidance of God. These people when they follow Him -I'm not talking about false believers who only use the sayins of god for their own personnal interests- dont need to send their sons and daughters to a psy or to consume anti depressants all life long. As simple as that.
It's all about finding the roots of evil by yourself, and it can only mean questionning those who spawned you, considering you re only the sum of who they were and are.
You only solve psychological (metaphysical, psychical)troubles by the power of thought and good guidance, not with the help of external chemicals who wont explain to you why your parents, grandparents, acted the way they did in the past.
Depression is not genetical, has nothing to do with it. People get depressed because those who were suposed to take care of them didnt, often because themselves werent loved by their own caregivers originally.
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Sometimes i think that uberman's mom didn't love him enough.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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The link between depression meds and suicide, especially in teens, is so underreported.
because most of the time parents are the real responsibles... And nobody wants to admit that. Parents accept to kill their kids slowly, and nobody can notice what they re doing, but want to stay alive, even if they killed their kids.
And no kind of psy can prove anything so it's not going to end anytime soon.
But basically, occidentals are killing themselves both by not reproducing and by dissuading their kids to reproduce. That's the general tendancy at work. Globalization doesnt help.
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because most of the time parents are the real responsibles... And nobody wants to admit that.
Your parents did a real number on you kid. :-\
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because most of the time parents are the real responsibles... And nobody wants to admit that.
Oarents are responsible for everything that is wrong in your life. ;D ;D ;D
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I read a study on depression many years ago and they found that there is very little if any depression in third world countries. Depression seems to be reserve for the more prosperous cultures and societies. After interviewing and observing people of various cultures they saw that those who were struggling just to survive didn't really have the "time" or the "luxury" to contemplate the meaning of life and what they expect from it. Just as in prosperous societies no one ask themselves "Why me?" when things are going great -- which is most of the time. In less fortunate cultures they don't ask themselves "Why me?" when tragedy befalls them. They have long learned to accept hardship as just a normal part of life. They are far more accepting of the ebb and flow, the ups and downs of life.
They found an almost inverse relationship between expectations and gratitude. Happiness is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have in life without gratitude. And with expectations you cannot have gratitude. When you "expect" something and get it you are not grateful because you "expected" it. You were entitled to it and deserve it -- whatever that "it" is. But if you don't get "it." You don't get what you FEEL you are rightfully entitled to and deserve you feel a sense of injustice, unfairness, cheated. In prosperous cultures you tend to have a relatively unrealistic expectations of what real life is like. This tends to effect woman more than men as they are practically brought up with the notion that they will be living happy everlastingly with Mr. Right. It is not a coincidence that women go through their own mid life crisis at around their late 20s early 30s when their youth is fading and they look at their life and say, "Is this it?"
Not surprisingly if you were born and raised in the Congo, Somalia, Calcutta, chances are your expectations are quite low and you are eternally grateful to get whatever you can. One doesn't have the luxury to feel sorry for themselves as everyone is in the same boat.
And also the idea that the purpose in life is to be happy is a relatively new one. Look at pictures of people during the Civil War era and the days of the pioneer. Noticed nobody ever smile. It's not because they were miserable or unhappy. These were notions hardly, if ever, even considered. They were preoccupied with building better lives for themselves and their children. They were building a new country. They were preoccupied with a deep sense of purpose. Survival, food on the table, bettering themselves.
You can talk a lot about chemical imbalances and all that. A relatively new phenomenons as well in modern Western culture. Sometimes I wonder if it's the chemical imbalances that is causing the depression or is it the depression causing the chemical imbalances. And why now? And why don't they have it Communist China or Belarus?
I was lucky in that I had a parent from a third world country who suffered real hardship and real hunger and poverty. Always taught us to be grateful and never tolerated whining and feeling sorry for yourself. That just being born in America put his head over heels above the rest of the world. That though things can get bad, very bad, chances are they can always be worse. I remember when my mom got hit by a car and had to be in a wheel chair. She was a very active person and this was really a blow. But she didn't seemed bothered by it. Or at least she didn't show it -- which in itself is also important. I remember she just said with a smile, "Well, at least I have a wheel chair to ride around in."
Not everyone can smile being in a wheel chair. I'm not sure if I could. But, I guess things could be worse -- so maybe I'll try anyway. Maybe at least for the ones who do have it worse but can still smile.
didnt read that before posting previously, but basically it ends the whole thread.
Faith, love, make you happy. Money, fake fame, intelligence, dont. They do, if at the same time you re loved and have faith.
And yes, psychological traumas affect biologically, physically, the structure of the brain, as physical harm to the biology of the brain (car accidents, diseases etc) will in return affects our thought process, the chemy of our brain. Everything is interconnected and linked.
Fact is the more you spend time with unhappy caregivers while a child and teen, the higher are the odds you ll be unhappy once an adult.
As arthur janov says it; nevrotic people shouldnt be given the right to reproduce.
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HANG IN THERE CHAOS!!!
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This is for you Chaos..
Know how it feel bro.
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I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.
Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?
THE MEDICATI0N IS CAUSING THE DEPRESSI0N.
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This is for you Chaos..
Know how it feel bro.
Thanks man, but I feel no pain.
THE MEDICATI0N IS CAUSING THE DEPRESSI0N.
Assbruise.
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THE MEDICATI0N IS CAUSING THE DEPRESSI0N.
No assbruise, you are wrong.
Says Dr Dutch
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No assbruise, you are wrong.
Says Dr Dutch
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Tell him to get some fucking lab work done. Geezus fuck just because you are depressed doesn't mean you have to be a fucking dumbass about your health and PCT. What are his test, estro, prolactin, levels etc? Depression is ALL about hormones and neurotransmitters. For example when I'm coming off tren my prolactin levels are sky high. I take caber as part of my PCT. It's a dopamine agonist. But before I take anything I know exactly what my levels are.
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STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!