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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: James28 on September 30, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
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Simple question. What's the best way to run it? Can it be run on it's own or would adding Test be advisable? How long for should I run Tren?
First cycle here and just trying to gather some prelim info.
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Why run tren on your first cycle? Pretty harsh drug for just rec use.
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Simple question. What's the best way to run it? Can it be run on it's own or would adding Test be advisable? How long for should I run Tren?
First cycle here and just trying to gather some prelim info.
What are your goals ??, personally I'd start with some other compound for my first time use. (JMO)
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DO NOT run tren for your first go at roids. worst idea ever. Just use some test and maybe a little dbol. Save the tren for later.
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Why run tren on your first cycle? Pretty harsh drug for just rec use.
What are your goals ??, personally I'd start with some other compound for my first time use. (JMO)
DO NOT run tren for your first go at roids. worst idea ever. Just use some test and maybe a little dbol. Save the tren for later.
and can anyone of you explain why?
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Simple question. What's the best way to run it? Can it be run on it's own or would adding Test be advisable? How long for should I run Tren?
First cycle here and just trying to gather some prelim info.
tren ace ,,testosterona phnyl propioneta or testosterona propioneta,, masterona 50 50 50 or 100 100 100 depending of what you can get the 50 50 50 is more common and will be dosed right for other combos you better have a good chef and good chefs dont play around with just anyone
2-3 cc every 2 days or 1 cc every day
if yo uwere a this skinny fat fella before 15% 175lb,,,AFTER you will be 190lb and bodyfat will be cut in half,, that will mean all you can eat pussy buffet but if you were skinny fat fella or fella with no self confidence muscle wont change it ,,btu you shoudnt care because ....the whores especialy the generation nothignness whores....they hunt you when you get to truly 7% and 190+ they HUNT you with out you needing to do a thing
this is why this is my propose cycle for the frastrated fellas who been bodybuild with no significant advancement for couple years,, they within 10-12 week become superman of the city and all attention aim at them ,, this is a mega mega chiwawa into pitball type cycle and! most fellas become very fitness model look because they dont have enough foundation to become pitball so they become a sagi kalev version ...not as good but a version of it and this = all you can eat pussy buffer friend
it is the recomended cycle for any bodybuild who want to look like one
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tren ace ,,testosterona phnyl propioneta or testosterona propioneta,, masterona 50 50 50 or 100 100 100 depending of what you can get the 50 50 50 is more common and will be dosed right for other combos you better have a good chef and good chefs dont play around with just anyone
2-3 cc every 2 days or 1 cc every day
if yo uwere a this skinny fat fella before 15% 175lb,,,AFTER you will be 190lb and bodyfat will be cut in half,, that will mean all you can eat pussy buffet but if you were skinny fat fella or fella with no self confidence muscle wont change it ,,btu you shoudnt care because ....the whores especialy the generation nothignness whores....they hunt you when you get to truly 7% and 190+ they HUNT you with out you needing to do a thing
this is why this is my propose cycle for the frastrated fellas who been bodybuild with no significant advancement for couple years,, they within 10-12 week become superman of the city and all attention aim at them ,, this is a mega mega chiwawa into pitball type cycle and! most fellas become very fitness model look because they dont have enough foundation to become pitball so they become a sagi kalev version ...not as good but a version of it and this = all you can eat pussy buffer friend
it is the recomended cycle for any bodybuild who want to look like one
gh15 approved
if
not a good idea for a first cycle. gh15 you serious? Id say for any first timer go with a longer ester to start with and see how you handle that Test Enanthate 400-500mg per week would be perfect along with 600mg EQ makes a real good first timer stack. you could also throw in some turinabol 30mg ED to jumpstart your cycle. or you could use dianabol 20-30mg ED just for first 4 weeks. id stay away from tren your first cycle. GH15 set you up with a good cycle but I would try that one second. see how your body reacts to AAS before you mess with harder androgens. tren for a first timer is a horrible idea-IMO even if its just 50mg and then you have masteron in there those are 2 pretty strong androgens. those are meant for guys like us who have cycled for years. Test E and EQ if used correctly will get you looking good. and Im sure you will get some womens attention if you workout 5 days a week, eat right, and stick to the cycle for 12 weeks along with a good 4 week PCT you will get some great gains.
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i was actually thinking about starting with,
Test Enan @ 500mg a week for 12 weeks and maybe introduce Tren after 6 weeks to see how I respond with the Test first.
Got my Pct gear in order too. Or does the hardcore lot of Getbig not bother with Pct?
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tren ace ,,testosterona phnyl propioneta or testosterona propioneta,, masterona 50 50 50 or 100 100 100 depending of what you can get the 50 50 50 is more common and will be dosed right for other combos you better have a good chef and good chefs dont play around with just anyone
2-3 cc every 2 days or 1 cc every day
if yo uwere a this skinny fat fella before 15% 175lb,,,AFTER you will be 190lb and bodyfat will be cut in half,, that will mean all you can eat pussy buffet but if you were skinny fat fella or fella with no self confidence muscle wont change it ,,btu you shoudnt care because ....the whores especialy the generation nothignness whores....they hunt you when you get to truly 7% and 190+ they HUNT you with out you needing to do a thing
this is why this is my propose cycle for the frastrated fellas who been bodybuild with no significant advancement for couple years,, they within 10-12 week become superman of the city and all attention aim at them ,, this is a mega mega chiwawa into pitball type cycle and! most fellas become very fitness model look because they dont have enough foundation to become pitball so they become a sagi kalev version ...not as good but a version of it and this = all you can eat pussy buffer friend
it is the recomended cycle for any bodybuild who want to look like one
gh15 approved
if
so it looks like,,,test and tren ace in a 1:1 ratio? if one doesn't have masteron,,,maybe add npp? so test,,,tren,,,npp all in a 1:1 ratio,,,so maybe 600mg of each along with 5iu of gh (or more if $$ can afford).
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not a good idea for a first cycle. gh15 you serious? Id say for any first timer go with a longer ester to start with and see how you handle that Test Enanthate 400-500mg per week would be perfect along with 600mg EQ makes a real good first timer stack. you could also throw in some turinabol 30mg ED to jumpstart your cycle. or you could use dianabol 20-30mg ED just for first 4 weeks. id stay away from tren your first cycle. GH15 set you up with a good cycle but I would try that one second. see how your body reacts to AAS before you mess with harder androgens. tren for a first timer is a horrible idea-IMO even if its just 50mg and then you have masteron in there those are 2 pretty strong androgens. those are meant for guys like us who have cycled for years. Test E and EQ if used correctly will get you looking good. and Im sure you will get some womens attention if you workout 5 days a week, eat right, and stick to the cycle for 12 weeks along with a good 4 week PCT you will get some great gains.
very serious,, i go right on to propioneta and trenbolona ace and make the bitches get stiches from the saliva that will come out of their asshole in getbig term... ,,since they will be into fucking me becuase sudenly ill be most muscular condition fella around block,,
this cycle is good for first time,, ofcourse you will have to deal with side if prone to it but you will learn it anyway along the years if want to be bodybuild,,
nothing better than propioneta and trenbolna ace and from time to time to get estrogen down inorder to bounce back fuller and nastier...masterona
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GH15,
What is your thinking on leaving EQ out the mix of the above proposal? Why Tren A/Test P/Masteron VS Tren A/Test P/Masteron/EQ ?? How would EQ add or detract from it?
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yeah i second that question on the EQ....
also gh15 what would you recommend for a guy in his early to mid twenties who has natural foundation and has only done some propioneta, do you recommend getting some gh for 4iu's a day for a few months or to just run tren ace in the next cycle... i know you always mention having an aas foundation first so i want to get your take on how long one should wait to run some growth....
by the way the BF calipers the trainer used on me at the gym said 8.4 percent... I'm definitely higher than that im prob no more than 10 percent however i dont really know im a waterlogged fella but i always thought those tests at the gym always put you higher than what you actually are? can you explain that to me....
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i did my first cycle with tren, 50mg ed, eq 300mg ew, test 500mg ew, dbol 30mg ed for 4 weeks, with ai. put around 25 pounds, bf decreased like 5%.. no water and no fat gains, strength went up like crazy. no sides except the usual tren sides when you are fat, sweating with insomnia, now i can use double the amount of tren and dont get these sides because im leaner, lost 15lbs after the cycle tho..
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i dont see why its a bad 1st cycle choice.... roids are roids, sides arent that bad.. no big deal
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yeah i second that question on the EQ....
also gh15 what would you recommend for a guy in his early to mid twenties who has natural foundation and has only done some propioneta, do you recommend getting some gh for 4iu's a day for a few months or to just run tren ace in the next cycle... i know you always mention having an aas foundation first so i want to get your take on how long one should wait to run some growth....
by the way the BF calipers the trainer used on me at the gym said 8.4 percent... I'm definitely higher than that im prob no more than 10 percent however i dont really know im a waterlogged fella but i always thought those tests at the gym always put you higher than what you actually are? can you explain that to me....
Im not gh15 but this question have been asked so many times
like a broken record
eq is there to thin your skin make your muscle look more full and round
it's really amazing drug in my opinion
and for the second question open gh15's last posts and search for phase 1, 2, 3 threads and read them...
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i did my first cycle with tren, 50mg ed, eq 300mg ew, test 500mg ew, dbol 30mg ed for 4 weeks, with ai. put around 25 pounds, bf decreased like 5%.. no water and no fat gains, strength went up like crazy. no sides except the usual tren sides when you are fat, sweating with insomnia, now i can use double the amount of tren and dont get these sides because im leaner, lost 15lbs after the cycle tho..
I like that cycle actually. Although, I was looking at sticking Tren into me once a week and not ed. I might actually really think about that cycle.
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I like that cycle actually. Although, I was looking at sticking Tren into me once a week and not ed. I might actually really think about that cycle.
the eq is very low tho, i was only using it because i needed something for collagen synthesis so i would not tear a muscle
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yeah i second that question on the EQ....
also gh15 what would you recommend for a guy in his early to mid twenties who has natural foundation and has only done some propioneta, do you recommend getting some gh for 4iu's a day for a few months or to just run tren ace in the next cycle... i know you always mention having an aas foundation first so i want to get your take on how long one should wait to run some growth....
by the way the BF calipers the trainer used on me at the gym said 8.4 percent... I'm definitely higher than that im prob no more than 10 percent however i dont really know im a waterlogged fella but i always thought those tests at the gym always put you higher than what you actually are? can you explain that to me....
if bodyfta cliper mesur you 8% then you are 6%,,usualy 2% less than what bodyfat calipr mesure,,you are around 6.5% if caliper mesure 8.5% ,, i ssume he mesured upper tors so legs may be more probably leg 9...upper torse 6 over all 7-8%
you are mid 20,, mid 20 you will do well on trenbolona and propioneta and other aas ,, the hgh shoudl only come if you want to compete in this age and go places,, if not ...you can do very very well on trenbolona and propioneta,,
the thing is when you add hgh at higher dose to trenbolona ....you got a 3 dimneitonal volumizing effect to the 4th degree!
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not a good idea for a first cycle. gh15 you serious? Id say for any first timer go with a longer ester to start with and see how you handle that Test Enanthate 400-500mg per week would be perfect along with 600mg EQ makes a real good first timer stack. you could also throw in some turinabol 30mg ED to jumpstart your cycle. or you could use dianabol 20-30mg ED just for first 4 weeks. id stay away from tren your first cycle. GH15 set you up with a good cycle but I would try that one second. see how your body reacts to AAS before you mess with harder androgens. tren for a first timer is a horrible idea-IMO even if its just 50mg and then you have masteron in there those are 2 pretty strong androgens. those are meant for guys like us who have cycled for years. Test E and EQ if used correctly
will get you looking good. and Im sure you will get some womens attention if you workout 5 days a week, eat right, and stick to the cycle for 12 weeks along with a good 4 week PCT you will get some great gains.
I agree that tren shouldn't be used in a first cycle...I used it in my 5th cycle...tren can have some nasty side effects and fuck with your head
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I agree that tren shouldn't be used in a first cycle...I used it in my 5th cycle...tren can have some nasty side effects and fuck with your head
tren rage is real
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that is corect,, trenbolona rage is very very real,, if you are a fucked up fellato begin with ...you will brin disaster to you and yoru family ,, yuo will most likley do some serious unfixable thigns,, but most fellas ...what do they do? they give the birdy to the driver who pass them or pissed them off,,they get pissed when someone didntuse blinker and give 2 fingers and curse,, thi is what sane fellas do ,, they also get temper and fight with girl over any thing! if she late even by 15 min its world war 2,, yuo basicaly abuse her emotionaly in a way even if you a good fella,, then again many dont even last in relashionship...it depend on how you control trenbolona within yuor brain! the body haveno problem you grow lean yuo get ripped same time,, the brain....diff story friends,,got to be saneif you go on trenbolona otherway yuo will in trouble with law,,same for halo bytheway,, the dif is trenbolona yuo must you ...halo yuo dont
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that is corect,, trenbolona rage is very very real,, if you are a fucked up fellato begin with ...you will brin disaster to you and yoru family ,, yuo will most likley do some serious unfixable thigns,, but most fellas ...what do they do? they give the birdy to the driver who pass them or pissed them off,,they get pissed when someone didntuse blinker and give 2 fingers and curse,, thi is what sane fellas do ,, they also get temper and fight with girl over any thing! if she late even by 15 min its world war 2,, yuo basicaly abuse her emotionaly in a way even if you a good fella,, then again many dont even last in relashionship...it depend on how you control trenbolona within yuor brain! the body haveno problem you grow lean yuo get ripped same time,, the brain....diff story friends,,got to be saneif you go on trenbolona otherway yuo will in trouble with law,,same for halo bytheway,, the dif is trenbolona yuo must you ...halo yuo dont
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exactly my case
but my girlfriend is so submitted that she doesn't say shit and cook me diner
I am a piece of shit thinking about it, I should buy her some flower or something ;D
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I've taken my share of Tren and never had any anger issues at all, not even minor. I will agree that it can make an unstable person and one who is predisposed to violent behavior even more volatile but I also believe there is a huge and I do mean huge placebo sort of thing at play here.
Anabolic steroids and I don't care which ones we're talking about do not have a direct effect on the brain, they do not alter your brain or directly cause any change to your personality. During the steroid hearings in the late 1980's the AMA testified that there was no link between any mental change or dependency revolving around anabolic steroids...one of the key factors that is supposed to determine if any item becomes Scheduled. It's kind of funny in a non-humorous way when you think about it, congress had to break its own law in-order to Schedule anabolic steroids. I never hear anyone talking about this and I've never understood how it gets ignored...especially by the pro-steroid side of the fence.
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I've taken my share of Tren and never had any anger issues at all, not even minor. I will agree that it can make an unstable person and one who is predisposed to violent behavior even more volatile but I also believe there is a huge and I do mean huge placebo sort of thing at play here.
Anabolic steroids and I don't care which ones we're talking about do not have a direct effect on the brain, they do not alter your brain or directly cause any change to your personality. During the steroid hearings in the late 1980's the AMA testified that there was no link between any mental change or dependency revolving around anabolic steroids...one of the key factors that is supposed to determine if any item becomes Scheduled. It's kind of funny in a non-humorous way when you think about it, congress had to break its own law in-order to Schedule anabolic steroids. I never hear anyone talking about this and I've never understood how it gets ignored...especially by the pro-steroid side of the fence.
no,, not plcebo ,, real deal ,, 150mg a day trenbolona ace legit from top chef and ....after a month your not a good fella to be around,, in gymnasium you are a killer,, you dont talk to anyone period and if sane yuo will be nice when talked to ...it really depends on how high you are on it... after constant usage of trenbolona ace...you are very agresive,, very very agressive,, you touch your girl gently and she tell you stop being so rough with me...thats becuse for you its genetle for her its rough...genraly speak trenbolona is best drug for lean lean muscle and with time you add thickness to the muscle...at time meaning few months insted of 1 month lol but! the mental with trenbolona is...not good ,, it really fuck up with you even if nice fella...yuo can control it if you are sane and nto violent ,, if you are sensetive fella you can control it but! any poodle that turn into pitball...and look like one lol will have some anger issues,, those anger issues will preferbly be ddealt with against the weights...and not against your female,, most unstabel fellas will take this anger and moment theyare high and energized on trenbolona...they will realy go into fights with mostly their girl on anything and abotu anything,, violence can be there is...fella is unstable ,,then again police will be theretoo if fella is unstable,, and those vials will probably be down the toilet if the girl is unstable,,,which make it a lovely relashionship lol
if you use trenbolona ..make sure you are real bodybuild and not soem fella who just want pussy and to impress ,,be a real bodybuild...then trenbolona helps tremendesly
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Anabolic steroids and I don't care which ones we're talking about do not have a direct effect on the brain, they do not alter your brain or directly cause any change to your personality. During the steroid hearings in the late 1980's the AMA testified that there was no link between any mental change or dependency revolving around anabolic steroids...one of the key factors that is supposed to determine if any item becomes Scheduled. It's kind of funny in a non-humorous way when you think about it, congress had to break its own law in-order to Schedule anabolic steroids. I never hear anyone talking about this and I've never understood how it gets ignored...especially by the pro-steroid side of the fence.
How can you say this? It's like saying hormones do not affect emotions, and that emotions do not affect behavior. Do you really believe this? Hormones have a very direct effect on the brain. Hormones, including anabolic steroids, have very definitely been shown to affect neurotransmitters. And when you affect brain chemistry there will likely be structural changes, especially over the long term. The brain is plastic, and the neural networks will change.
Now, connecting AAS to violent behavior towards other humans is trickier. I agree that it hasn't been proven. Steroids may even cause positive mental changes, make you more mellow or even lazy. Steroids have been shown to be anti-depressive in some cases and how would this be possible if there was no direct effect on the brain?
Anytime you affect brain chemistry you may affect behavior. Even something as innocuous as coffee can do it. Have too much coffee on a bad day and it might the be the straw that makes you snap. :D
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Making any changes to your hormonal profile surely will alter many things in your brain over time.
I think Arnold is trying to say there is no direct link to it maybe? But there is a cause and effect aspect to it for sure.
All i know is that anytime you increase a humans test levels, you increase many other hormonal values as well that can trigger aggression and irritation stimulus.
Just like estrogen makes you lethargic and depressed.
Back to the original question. I think it's a bad idea to use Tren in your first cycle but like GH said, it's the best time to make gains so you might as well go all out.
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I hate to say it but if you are using tren,halo,anadrol roid rage can be very real take it from me first hand thats how I got in that fight and got hit with measure 11 charges I was also coming off of prozac but it was the tren and halo that gave me the urge to fight thank god the guy threw the first blow otherwise I would have gotten 6 months and a dirty record but my everything got sorted out and the charges were dropped. thats the only trouble I have been in despite the rumors that i got busted with gear wich were all bullshit started by people not happy I had good things to say about a companys line.
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james28 start with the Test E and use that for 8 weeks and then if you dont have any side effects and feel good then id kick a small dose of tren in your cycle say 50-75mg eod. may I ask what brands you are using?
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gh15
do you recommend anything for managing prolactin levels on tren for long term? is it neccassry to take anything to lower levels and are there any bad effects if proloactin levels stay high cause on tren ace long time?
thanks
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never had prolactin problem ,, then agani i am not sensetive to this ,, some felas are super sensetive and dotn pull of gyno well,,soem felas pul gyno perfectly fine...it depends on theindividual ,, i never had problem with prolactin even on 200mg a day trenbolona ace
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How can you say this? It's like saying hormones do not affect emotions, and that emotions do not affect behavior. Do you really believe this? Hormones have a very direct effect on the brain. Hormones, including anabolic steroids, have very definitely been shown to affect neurotransmitters. And when you affect brain chemistry there will likely be structural changes, especially over the long term. The brain is plastic, and the neural networks will change.
Now, connecting AAS to violent behavior towards other humans is trickier. I agree that it hasn't been proven. Steroids may even cause positive mental changes, make you more mellow or even lazy. Steroids have been shown to be anti-depressive in some cases and how would this be possible if there was no direct effect on the brain?
Anytime you affect brain chemistry you may affect behavior. Even something as innocuous as coffee can do it. Have too much coffee on a bad day and it might the be the straw that makes you snap. :D
I guess I should rephrase. Yes, of course they have an effect on your disposition, if your test levels remain low for an extended period of time you may become depressed even if you're normally not a depressed person. When our hormone levels are adequate or even above par we thrive in our sense of well-being even more so....this I agree with.
And I also agree that they can increase aggression but this is not necessarily a bad thing, what you do with it is still up to you. All I'm saying is that steroids do not change your personality, they do not make you a different person mentally than you were before you took them. You still possess the same free will in your decision making, your views and perceptions are not changed because excess hormones are in your system. I hate using this phrase because it's tossed around so much but the if you're a jackass off you'll be a bigger jackass on is true, you're simply now a more aggressive jackass. But if you're a sane individual you'll still be the same person and you'll be able to use that increase in aggression in a positive manner. Aggression can be a very good thing, it simply depends on who you are and how you use it.
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tren rage is real
I love Tren, but as GH15 says, it fucks with your head big time.
I blasted 600mg of Test E for a few weeks and was super horny all the time.
You want to fuck 24/7, but when I introduced Tren A, that's when the sexual urges went into overload.
i'm talking crazy, perverted, nasty, fucked up thoughts and urges.
I wanted to do crazy shit with any woman, that now i'm off cycle, I look back and think "now I know what GH15 is talking about"! :-)
I can see if you're any way prone to anger issues, this will turn you into Chris Benoit!