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Title: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Sizwe on October 03, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
Oh how beautiful and progressive society is becoming  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl.

The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

But Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel warn that children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.

The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three - because of a speech impediment - was, 'I am a girl'.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.

This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
The hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.

The couple faced intense criticism from friends and family as a result, Ms Moreno told MailOnline.

'Everybody was angry with us. "How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!"

Citing a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, Ms Moreno noted over 50 per cent of transgender youth will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.
And ignoring their son's incessant pleas, she said, simply was not worth the risk.

'What is so frightening to me is that you would be willing to say "no" just because you don't like it - even though your child could lose their life?'

Her son's adolescent transition, she hopes, will help him have a less conflicted adulthood.

'The whole idea now is let's stop creating a third (gender) that is neither one thing or the other, so we transitioned her,' said Ms Moreno.

'The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other... because they experienced puberty.'
Ms Moreno recalled the first step of Thomas' transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes.

He favoured headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear. And the change in his personality, Ms Moreno says, was instant.

'He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'

The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents.

The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi and have two older sons and grandchildren. But they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

'It was odd to us,' she said. 'Even though she has lesbians as parents, this is all new to us in every possible way. We know what it's like to feel different - we've got that one. But to feel like you're not in the right body was just something we could not put our heads around.'

Fortunately, the family has a vast support system. The couple credits Tammy's teachers and officials at Children's Learning Center in Alameda, California, and their religious community, for being open-minded about their son's decision.

'We live in the Bay area where lots of alternative lifestyles are in place... and we belong to a religious community that was incredibly supportive. They make it a point when we're in synagogue to come over and tell Tammy, "Oh, you look so pretty today,' Ms Moreno said, adding, 'There's never going to be enough gratitude for them.'

His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.

If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.

San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.

The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.

Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.

Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.








Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 01:13:59 AM
This is heavy stuff. If a person has a real gender disorder it shows from a very young age. I hope a team of child psychologists has screened this kid thoroughly.
It has never been proven that sexual orientation of a child can be changed by homosexual parents, it's fixed. But they can of course brainwash a kid into (temporarily) thinking it's homosexual or gender dysfore.
I didn't know this stuff happened in the US.....
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: 20inch calves on October 03, 2011, 01:22:30 AM
This is heavy stuff. If a person has a real gender disorder it shows from a very young age. I hope a team of child psychologists has screened this kid thoroughly.
It has never been proven that sexual orientation of a child can be changed by homosexual parents, it's fixed. But they can of course brainwash a kid into (temporarily) thinking it's homosexual or gender dysfore.
I didn't know this stuff happened in the US.....

the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 01:28:21 AM
I share your concerns. Here in Holland there are lots of homo couples who get children. By definition one of the parents isn't the biological one. So a kid has 2 tough things going on: having gay parents and living with at least one non-biological parent.

I think the "right to have children" should not be placed higher than the "right to have heterosexual/biological parents"...
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 01:30:16 AM
the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl

It's not even a matter of opinion. In fact we have no idea of possible psychological consequences of this kind of 'experiment'. We need years and generations of people raised by homosexual parents to know every possible consequence of this action. I think it's not worth the risk and I'm glad I live in convervative Roman Catholic country where things like this simply won't pass.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: johnny1 on October 03, 2011, 01:30:51 AM
the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl
And Your not alone with that opinion, however this is the "Society" we are living in nowadays, anyone that really believes that those 2 "parents" have absolutely no influence on that boy wanting be the way he is, is living in a fairytale world.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 01:36:43 AM
There's a limit to what medicine should do, I think. Turning a boy into a girl is just not something that should happen. The doctors doing this are at least fucking up a healthy body.
I think that if this stuff is allowed, the child has to be 16 or so at least.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 01:37:32 AM
Letting kids get raised up by homosexual is nothing more than brutal social experiment. It's immoral and cruel. It's scientific common sense that after such short time with such limited experience we may not know every psychological consequence of having two mothers or two fathers. One couldn't fathom complexities of human mind and foresee what this change may bring in the future. Nedless to say, it's hazardous game we're playing in.

I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Dipadidu on October 03, 2011, 01:41:32 AM
I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.

 ;D great country, very conservativ!
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: claymore on October 03, 2011, 01:50:51 AM
Letting kids get raised up by homosexual is nothing more than brutal social experiment. It's immoral and cruel. It's scientific common sense that after such short time with such limited experience we may not know every psychological consequence of having two mothers or two fathers. One couldn't fathom complexities of human mind and foresee what this change may bring in the future. Nedless to say, it's hazardous game we're playing in.

I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.

This ^^
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Dr Dutch on October 03, 2011, 02:39:31 AM

I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.
:-\
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: tu_holmes on October 03, 2011, 02:45:48 AM
Truly I'm shocked at the parents... I don't care if you're gay or straight, whether you have kids or not.

If my son came to me and said he wanted to be a girl, I would simply tell him that you have to wait until you're 18 kid.

It's unbelievable that ANY parent will allow a child to have sexual reassignment surgery and start taking hormones at a young age like that... Quite disgusting for a parent to go along with this.

You are the parent and you make the rules, the child can decide what they want to be when they are old enough to understand those consequences.

For shame on these parents.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: George Whorewell on October 03, 2011, 02:47:52 AM
Liberalism at its finest!
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 02:57:24 AM
Liberalism at its finest!

It's not liberalism you moron.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 03, 2011, 03:09:17 AM
Retardism at it's finest!
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 03:41:06 AM
Truly I'm shocked at the parents... I don't care if you're gay or straight, whether you have kids or not.

If my son came to me and said he wanted to be a girl, I would simply tell him that you have to wait until you're 18 kid.

It's unbelievable that ANY parent will allow a child to have sexual reassignment surgery and start taking hormones at a young age like that... Quite disgusting for a parent to go along with this.

You are the parent and you make the rules, the child can decide what they want to be when they are old enough to understand those consequences

.

For shame on these parents.
because ultimately, the parents don't like men--straight men.
They wanted their child to be "just like them", and when that child said he wanted to be a girl, and them being lesbian---they were not concerned abut the child being a heterosexual male, thet were not concerned about that male having children. They were always concerned about men in our society, and wonderful it would be if they were all women---including that son. It was alien to them to have a hetero son, but way easier for them to have a "girl"...

Now here is he kicker, will the "girl" like boys or girls...
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Army of One on October 03, 2011, 03:48:05 AM
Whats Tammy's getbig username?
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 03, 2011, 04:09:46 AM
Homosexuals give away their rights to parenthood by being homosexuals
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: lesaucer on October 03, 2011, 04:25:13 AM
Homosexuals give away their rights to parenthood by being homosexuals

yes. I seriously cannot fucking believe they let fucking homos raise kids. can you imagine being one of those kids? they probably get bullied all the time because of it, and im sure they will either end up gay too or go crazy and kill their ''parents''... totally untorelable, I cant believe they let this happen
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 04:42:14 AM
In a recent song, the singer Jill Scott said, "I don't need a man...but your son does."

This really applies to this situation.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: booty on October 03, 2011, 05:03:07 AM
I used to know a lesbian girl who was living in a relationship with another girl and she had a daughter from a previous relationship.  She hated men and would use her influence over her young daughter.  I bet her daughter is very messed up now. 
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:08:31 AM
Of couse he wants to be a girl, he is being raised by man hating lesbians - how else can a little boy get the love and approval he despeately seeks. Cut his penis off, just what those man hating muff munching dykes want. Kill those bitches.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: MikMaq on October 03, 2011, 05:10:34 AM
yes. I seriously cannot fucking believe they let fucking homos raise kids. can you imagine being one of those kids? they probably get bullied all the time because of it, and im sure they will either end up gay too or go crazy and kill their ''parents''... totally untorelable, I cant believe they let this happen
Don't be a fucking retard, you guys find the first shitty set of gay parents and think you've been given the world. Millions of fucked up straight parents out there, this operation shit has nothing to do with them being gay, there just fucking retarded end of thread.
I ain't for gays adopting, but if they do it outside of the law there ain't nothing you can do, just deal with it.

P.S. I almost started agreeing with you guys until I'm glad I live in Poland comment. Seriously who the fucks glad to live in poland ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:10:52 AM
I find the bigotry in this thread sickening!  >:(
homo ::)
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:29:03 AM
No I dont - You need to become more tolerant of my opinion - I am entitled to dislike people with perverted sexual tendencies.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:49:28 AM
Too bad the law and therefore also society isn't on your side. So you better adapt and change before you pass on this sickening unjust hatred to your children and grandchildren making it unnecessarily difficult for them to foster potential future friendships and camaraderie in public environments such as schools and businesses.
Thank goodness the future lies with the children and not with you  :-*

You are a whiny fag with no idea of how the real world runs.  People dont care about laws, no one actually likes homos, people just say that to be polite. Brokeback Mountain. Art imtates life, a real man will never tolerate a homo, just biology. Human Nature.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: jmt1 on October 03, 2011, 06:12:20 AM
that's what happens when you have satanic morals in the home.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 03, 2011, 06:14:40 AM
We need to give all these Lesbians a good rough fucking.   :P
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 03, 2011, 07:08:35 AM
Oh how beautiful and progressive society is becoming  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl.

The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

But Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel warn that children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.

The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three - because of a speech impediment - was, 'I am a girl'.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.

This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
The hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.

The couple faced intense criticism from friends and family as a result, Ms Moreno told MailOnline.

'Everybody was angry with us. "How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!"

Citing a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, Ms Moreno noted over 50 per cent of transgender youth will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.
And ignoring their son's incessant pleas, she said, simply was not worth the risk.

'What is so frightening to me is that you would be willing to say "no" just because you don't like it - even though your child could lose their life?'

Her son's adolescent transition, she hopes, will help him have a less conflicted adulthood.

'The whole idea now is let's stop creating a third (gender) that is neither one thing or the other, so we transitioned her,' said Ms Moreno.

'The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other... because they experienced puberty.'
Ms Moreno recalled the first step of Thomas' transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes.

He favoured headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear. And the change in his personality, Ms Moreno says, was instant.

'He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'

The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents.

The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi and have two older sons and grandchildren. But they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

'It was odd to us,' she said. 'Even though she has lesbians as parents, this is all new to us in every possible way. We know what it's like to feel different - we've got that one. But to feel like you're not in the right body was just something we could not put our heads around.'

Fortunately, the family has a vast support system. The couple credits Tammy's teachers and officials at Children's Learning Center in Alameda, California, and their religious community, for being open-minded about their son's decision.

'We live in the Bay area where lots of alternative lifestyles are in place... and we belong to a religious community that was incredibly supportive. They make it a point when we're in synagogue to come over and tell Tammy, "Oh, you look so pretty today,' Ms Moreno said, adding, 'There's never going to be enough gratitude for them.'

His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.

If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.

San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.

The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.

Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.

Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.











A case of really bad parenting.  What a bunch of fucking morons to think that an 11 year old kids knows what he wants. 
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 03, 2011, 07:12:33 AM
the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl


Has nothing to do with gays raising parents.  In fact I spoke to one of my ex's who adopted some kids and he told me that it was horrible to use a child to push some sort of agenda.

Its child abuse plain and simple.  Being lesbian parents doesn't make it right by any means. 
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 03, 2011, 07:13:31 AM
Don't be a fucking retard, you guys find the first shitty set of gay parents and think you've been given the world. Millions of fucked up straight parents out there, this operation shit has nothing to do with them being gay, there just fucking retarded end of thread.
I ain't for gays adopting, but if they do it outside of the law there ain't nothing you can do, just deal with it.

P.S. I almost started agreeing with you guys until I'm glad I live in Poland comment. Seriously who the fucks glad to live in poland ??? ??? ??? ???


QFT.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 03, 2011, 07:15:17 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 03, 2011, 08:30:19 AM
"Gender Idenity disorder" LOL. Had nothing to do with the brainwashing of the "parents" I'm sure.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Steelrabbitt on October 03, 2011, 09:47:38 AM
And I still can't just walk into a pharmacy and purchase my test...
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 09:59:47 AM
Sickening. Real cool to be confused and gay these days ::)
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
many of you need to check out the "born this way" blog.  As someone who is working on a masters in psych (which by no means makes me "right," just informed), the fact that this kid can identify at such a young age that he wants to be a girl is only going to make things easier.  The problems REALLY come in when you have kids born with genital malformations and the parents "decide" what gender the kid should be.  This kid is clearly a girl born in a boys body. I've worked with kids like this with straight parents, gay parents, single male parents, single female parents,  from foster homes, etc... and you are amazed at what you are dealing with.  It's not a case of "oh, this kid wants to be a girl," its, "holy shit, this is a girl thru and thru...effeminate features, lack of 8 year old boy aggression and hyperactivity, interested in all things female, talks like a female...etc..."

...and if you really want to get "cold and hard" about it.  Just google the digit ratio theory regarding exposure to testosterone in the womb.  

I'll admit to not liking certain racial groups due to their tendencies toward chaos, violence, and destruction, but people who have a problem with gays, transgendered, people, etc... you're only coming off like an idiot.  
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 10:18:22 AM
^^^ has not yet been determined who are worse on humanity the transgender community or psychologists. My money is on psychologist enablers.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: tbombz on October 03, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
many of you need to check out the "born this way" blog.  As someone who is working on a masters in psych (which by no means makes me "right," just informed), the fact that this kid can identify at such a young age that he wants to be a girl is only going to make things easier.  The problems REALLY come in when you have kids born with genital malformations and the parents "decide" what gender the kid should be.  This kid is clearly a girl born in a boys body. I've worked with kids like this with straight parents, gay parents, single male parents, single female parents,  from foster homes, etc... and you are amazed at what you are dealing with.  It's not a case of "oh, this kid wants to be a girl," its, "holy shit, this is a girl thru and thru...effeminate features, lack of 8 year old boy aggression and hyperactivity, interested in all things female, talks like a female...etc..."

...and if you really want to get "cold and hard" about it.  Just google the digit ratio theory regarding exposure to testosterone in the womb.  

I'll admit to not liking certain racial groups due to their tendencies toward chaos, violence, and destruction, but people who have a problem with gays, transgendered, people, etc... you're only coming off like an idiot.  

^^^ finally a post in this thread from someone with a level head on their shoulders.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
^^^ finally a post in this thread from someone with a level head on their shoulders.

Education is the shit.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
many of you need to check out the "born this way" blog.  As someone who is working on a masters in psych (which by no means makes me "right," just informed), the fact that this kid can identify at such a young age that he wants to be a girl is only going to make things easier.  The problems REALLY come in when you have kids born with genital malformations and the parents "decide" what gender the kid should be.  This kid is clearly a girl born in a boys body. I've worked with kids like this with straight parents, gay parents, single male parents, single female parents,  from foster homes, etc... and you are amazed at what you are dealing with.  It's not a case of "oh, this kid wants to be a girl," its, "holy shit, this is a girl thru and thru...effeminate features, lack of 8 year old boy aggression and hyperactivity, interested in all things female, talks like a female...etc..."

...and if you really want to get "cold and hard" about it.  Just google the digit ratio theory regarding exposure to testosterone in the womb.  

I'll admit to not liking certain racial groups due to their tendencies toward chaos, violence, and destruction, but people who have a problem with gays, transgendered, people, etc... you're only coming off like an idiot.  
Or estrogen exposure, I had a book about it in college, back in 98
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 03, 2011, 10:39:14 AM
Child abuse...I can concede that a good percent of homosexuals are born that way. But I'm willing to bet that and even larger percentage is a learnt behavior.  These two Lesbo's should be brought up on charges.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:01:40 AM
Child abuse...I can concede that a good percent of homosexuals are born that way. But I'm willing to bet that and even larger percentage is a learnt behavior.  These two Lesbo's should be brought up on charges.

if you are straight, a biochemical reaction occurs when a hot chick touches your inner thigh, and you are aroused.  That doesn't happen when a guy touches the same area.  you can't "learn" that.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 11:03:41 AM
many of you need to check out the "born this way" blog.  As someone who is working on a masters in psych (which by no means makes me "right," just informed), the fact that this kid can identify at such a young age that he wants to be a girl is only going to make things easier.  The problems REALLY come in when you have kids born with genital malformations and the parents "decide" what gender the kid should be.  This kid is clearly a girl born in a boys body. I've worked with kids like this with straight parents, gay parents, single male parents, single female parents,  from foster homes, etc... and you are amazed at what you are dealing with.  It's not a case of "oh, this kid wants to be a girl," its, "holy shit, this is a girl thru and thru...effeminate features, lack of 8 year old boy aggression and hyperactivity, interested in all things female, talks like a female...etc..."

...and if you really want to get "cold and hard" about it.  Just google the digit ratio theory regarding exposure to testosterone in the womb.  

I'll admit to not liking certain racial groups due to their tendencies toward chaos, violence, and destruction, but people who have a problem with gays, transgendered, people, etc... you're only coming off like an idiot.  

You can't prove that having homosexual parents cant be a factor causing this. You just can't. You have not enough data for that. You can't say he was born like this, you just can't. You don't know. Your branch of "science" doesn't know. You're bunch of lunatics in fog of human complexity, that's all.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: TrapsMcLats link=topic=397235.msg5622143#msg5622143 date=
if you are straight, a biochemical reaction occurs when a hot chick touches your inner thigh, and you are aroused.  That doesn't happen when a guy touches the same area.  you can't "learn" that.

Do they test this on 8 yr olds? Ffs.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: the trainer on October 03, 2011, 11:08:15 AM
The end of the world is near, there will come a time when getbiggers will be fucking men who used to be women and fucking women who used to be men.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:12:13 AM
You can't prove that having homosexual parents cant be a factor causing this. You just can't. You have not enough data for that. You can't say he was born like this, you just can't. You don't know. Your branch of "science" doesn't know. You're bunch of lunatics in fog of human complexity, that's all.

Ok, we'll use that line of brutal logic... then how do you account for all the LGBTs  raised by straight parents... you know, the overwhelming majority, close to 99.9 % of all LGBTs?  

by that thinking, straight parents equal gay children. seems pretty clear to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
if you are straight, a biochemical reaction occurs when a hot chick touches your inner thigh, and you are aroused.  That doesn't happen when a guy touches the same area.  you can't "learn" that.

Also, this is what shrink lovers deem as science. LMFAO. lemme ask you, what kind of reaction occurs when a man touches another mans inner thigh? no chemical reaction? nothing? So if im not instantly aroused when a hot chick touches my innner thingh im automatically a gay man? lol pyschologists are the worst of the lot.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 11:13:41 AM
if you are straight, a biochemical reaction occurs when a hot chick touches your inner thigh, and you are aroused.  That doesn't happen when a guy touches the same area.  you can't "learn" that.
I went to a seminar where a prominent black Psychologist was talking about how black men who are raised by women have certain issues. The acting out, rolling their eyes, being manipulative, not taking responsibility---these are all results of being raised by or spending a lot of time around women. Also, as one  youth football coach had told me, many of these young men pee sitting down...where did they learn that? Their mother's never taught them that they can pee standing up (the benefits of being a man).

So, a kid raised by two lesbian women, who has no male roles who is doesn't see any man kissing his mother, sees women, which is what he wants to be.

There is a reason why when raisin birds like Condors, that the keepers use fake Condor heads, because they don't want to imprint humanness, or trust of humans into the Condors.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:14:15 AM
Do they test this on 8 yr olds? Ffs.
You can't test sexual arousal on an eight year old due to, a, morals and ethics, b, the lack of testosterone/onset of puberty.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 11:17:16 AM
You can't test sexual arousal on an eight year old due to, a, morals and ethics, b, the lack of testosterone/onset of puberty.
There was a vid few yrs back confirming that babies in the womb masterbate...and we all know why little girls like sitting on "daddy's" leg and rock back and forth.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:18:33 AM
There was a vid few yrs back confirming that babies in the womb masterbate...and we all know why little girls like sitting on "daddy's" leg and rock back and forth.
;D
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: RC Money on October 03, 2011, 11:19:18 AM
Whats Tammy's getbig username?
Legit LOL, at work too  ;D.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:19:27 AM
You can't test sexual arousal on an eight year old due to, a, morals and ethics, b, the lack of testosterone/onset of puberty.

awesome so lets just fill em up with whatever hormone their parent want to change its gender. jesus ???
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Also, this is what shrink lovers deem as science. LMFAO. lemme ask you, what kind of reaction occurs when a man touches another mans inner thigh? no chemical reaction? nothing? So if im not instantly aroused when a hot chick touches my innner thingh im automatically a gay man? lol pyschologists are the worst of the lot.

I'm not a psychologist, i'm a student. And we're speaking in general terms here.  everyone is different.  It wouldn't make you gay in the slightest if you didn't react with arousal. It would be outside the norm though (just like the LGBT community...a group of people outside the "norm"), considering we're here for the sole purpose of having sex and making babies.

Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 03, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
Man, this is really concerning.  I hope clinical psycologists were involved but its hard to believe a sex change at 8years old can every be justified.  Hard not to assume his home environment played the major role.

I am generally supportive of basic gay rights, civil unions, etc but I definitely would not be the person I am if I was raised in a home with 2 lesbian females as parents.  All other things being equal, it is best to have both maternal and paternal influence and balance.  But I suppose its better to have two loving lesbians than be an orphan.  Difficult discussion.  But sex change at age 8 should be illegal.  Kid should have to wait till 18 and have professional & medical counseling first.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:20:35 AM
There was a vid few yrs back confirming that babies in the womb masterbate...and we all know why little girls like sitting on "daddy's" leg and rock back and forth.

don't confuse pleasure and arousal... similar, but different.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
don't confuse pleasure and arousal... similar, but different.
ok, in kindergarten I was aroused at being around girls...one of the reason why I wanted to go to school.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
awesome so lets just fill em up with whatever hormone their parent want to change its gender. jesus ???


whoa whoa whoa... I never said i condoned this aspect of it.  However, allowing the child to identify itself as the gender it sees/feels itself as is fine by me.  

Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Nails on October 03, 2011, 11:25:09 AM
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: apply85 on October 03, 2011, 11:25:14 AM
A lot of men are basically woman anyways. My father for example, he kisses the ass of any woman because he thinks they have social power so if he is in their favor then he has social power, but in reality he is a weak puss who has to have his son run his family for him. He straight I guess, but his roll models are women, he emulates them, he worships them, he's like a lesbian in a man's body. Men raised by single mothers tend to be this way, my dad is one example of 3 guys I know with the same thing going on in their heads. It is not a big deal if some homo 8 year old wants to act like a woman, who cares really, his life may or may not be miserable, but if he turns out to be a hot woman, it wont be as miserable as a natural but ugly woman lol
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: tu_holmes on October 03, 2011, 11:25:35 AM

whoa whoa whoa... I never said i condoned this aspect of it.  However, allowing the child to identify itself as the gender it sees/feels itself as is fine by me. 



Sure, if he wants to run around like a girl, but really, the problem that people are having isn't about the identity... It's about the fact they are letting a kid take hormones and look at sexual reassignment surgery.

These are things that you can't take back and will have a huge, PERMANENT, impact on his/future.

Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:25:42 AM

whoa whoa whoa... I never said i condoned this aspect of it.  However, allowing the child to identify itself as the gender it sees/feels itself as is fine by me.  



this is ALL YOUR FAULT!  ;D
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: MAXX on October 03, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
result of the western worlds new disease, political correctness... fucking dykes.

Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wante
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:27:24 AM
ok, in kindergarten I was aroused at being around girls...one of the reason why I wanted to go to school.

you're conflating arguments here, yeah I liked girls when I was young too, but there is a certain type of sexual arousal that doesn't occur until you start puberty. or, maybe you just fall outside the "norm." Ever take a stat class?  
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
Sure, if he wants to run around like a girl, but really, the problem that people are having isn't about the identity... It's about the fact they are letting a kid take hormones and look at sexual reassignment surgery.

These are things that you can't take back and will have a huge, PERMANENT, impact on his/future.



Exactly. Shrinks tout "scientific studies" when it suits their purpose, then they take it all back when they get cornered and "lament the endless complexity of the human psyche"  as a cover argyument.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
Sure, if he wants to run around like a girl, but really, the problem that people are having isn't about the identity... It's about the fact they are letting a kid take hormones and look at sexual reassignment surgery.

These are things (like a cock) that you can't take back and will have a huge, PERMANENT, impact on his/future.


It's easier to dig a hole , than to build a pole.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 11:34:11 AM
Exactly. Shrinks tout "scientific studies" when it suits their purpose, then they take it all back when they get cornered and "lament the endless complexity of the human psyche"  as a cover argyument.

It's not a cover argument, its the core of medicine. you heal, but you don't harm... and then you get lost in ethics. 
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Tito24 on October 03, 2011, 11:36:23 AM
a cock is something precious
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Parker on October 03, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
In nature these problems don't exist. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: RustyTrenbolona on October 03, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
It's not a cover argument, its the core of medicine. you heal, but you don't harm... and then you get lost in ethics.  

a shrink has never healed anyone this is scientific fact number 1. scientific fact number 2: shrinks drain you wallet offering nothing in return. scientific fact 3: psychiatrists are even worse than shrinks...the shills of big pharma. the saddest part of it all is that most believe all their psychogarbage babble.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: apply85 on October 03, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
It's not a cover argument, its the core of medicine. you heal, but you don't harm... and then you get lost in ethics. 

the core of medicine is $$$
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: RC Money on October 03, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
Don't be a fucking retard, you guys find the first shitty set of gay parents and think you've been given the world. Millions of fucked up straight parents out there, this operation shit has nothing to do with them being gay, there just fucking retarded end of thread.
I ain't for gays adopting, but if they do it outside of the law there ain't nothing you can do, just deal with it.

P.S. I almost started agreeing with you guys until I'm glad I live in Poland comment. Seriously who the fucks glad to live in poland ??? ??? ??? ???
LMAO good point, I'll take a faggy 8 year old and his dyke "parents" to live here.. USA USA USA amirite
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Nomad on October 03, 2011, 11:58:53 AM
Too bad the law and therefore also society isn't on your side. So you better adapt and change before you pass on this sickening unjust hatred to your children and grandchildren making it unnecessarily difficult for them to foster potential future friendships and camaraderie in public environments such as schools and businesses.
Thank goodness the future lies with the children and not with you  :-*


but earlier you said

Quote
You need to become more open minded and tolerant of other peoples life styles buddy.

Way to be a hypocrite bro.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: deceiver on October 03, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Ok, we'll use that line of brutal logic... then how do you account for all the LGBTs  raised by straight parents... you know, the overwhelming majority, close to 99.9 % of all LGBTs?  

by that thinking, straight parents equal gay children. seems pretty clear to me.  ;D

No, you're stupid, lol. Mistake you're referring to is mistaking implication with conjunction. I don't see where I made this mistake? There are methods to prove two factors are corelated, it's basic statistics my friend, have you missed your course? You cann't prove that tho, becouse you have not enough research, not enough data and your science is based on someones beliefs for the most part which is sickening.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
a shrink has never healed anyone this is scientific fact number 1. scientific fact number 2: shrinks drain you wallet offering nothing in return. scientific fact 3: psychiatrists are even worse than shrinks...the shills of big pharma. the saddest part of it all is that most believe all their psychogarbage babble.

response to 1:  Actually, psychologists/psychiatrists  help millions of people around the world turn into more highly functioning people, who are more at peace with their lives. Are there some who are full of pscyho babble and total bs-ers? yup. dr phil, anyone?

2: psychologists often work for non profits, and other organizations that aren't out to drain your wallet, and even more work on a sliding scale.

3. Over 70% (maybe 80%) of medications related to common problems like depression, anxiety, etc... are prescribed by primary care physicians, who only have to take a 30 hr (yes, three-zero) course in diagnosing and the medicating.  This is a massive point of contention within the psych community
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Stavios on October 03, 2011, 03:56:59 PM
that is fucked up
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: lesaucer on October 03, 2011, 05:03:53 PM
send the lesbian parents to muslim so they lapidate them to death!

religion of peace  ::)
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 03, 2011, 05:06:09 PM
I'm not a psychologist, i'm a student. And we're speaking in general terms here.  everyone is different.  It wouldn't make you gay in the slightest if you didn't react with arousal. It would be outside the norm though (just like the LGBT community...a group of people outside the "norm"), considering we're here for the sole purpose of having sex and making babies.



Come on Traps, a crease in a couch cushion could make a 13-21 year old aroused. In the movie American Pie when the kid fucked and actual pie, that wasn't too far off from some truth.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 03, 2011, 05:09:05 PM
A lot of men are basically woman anyways. My father for example, he kisses the ass of any woman because he thinks they have social power so if he is in their favor then he has social power, but in reality he is a weak puss who has to have his son run his family for him. He straight I guess, but his roll models are women, he emulates them, he worships them, he's like a lesbian in a man's body. Men raised by single mothers tend to be this way, my dad is one example of 3 guys I know with the same thing going on in their heads. It is not a big deal if some homo 8 year old wants to act like a woman, who cares really, his life may or may not be miserable, but if he turns out to be a hot woman, it wont be as miserable as a natural but ugly woman lol

Your father puts the pussy on the pedestal. He's brainwashed by the Hierarchy who are trying to breed people into extinction.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:42:31 PM
"Gender Idenity disorder" LOL. Had nothing to do with the brainwashing of the "parents" I'm sure.
The only person with Gender Identity Disorder is the two dirty dykes who are terribly upset they werent born with a penis and resent their sons genitals as it reminds them that they were born the inferior sex - dickless men.  This is what happens when dickless men raise children.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
if you are straight, a biochemical reaction occurs when a hot chick touches your inner thigh, and you are aroused.  That doesn't happen when a guy touches the same area.  you can't "learn" that.
What an absolutel load of BS.  The skin has no idea what is touching it, everything is interpereted by the brain.  eg, If you were walking barefoot in pitch black woods at stepped in big pile of bear poo but you couldnt see what you were standing in and couldnt use your other senses to determine what it was you were standing in.  The brain could only guess as to what it was standing in based on texture, density etc of the material been stood in.  The brain is what triggers arousal, if arousal was caused by touch alone, men would never have to rape women.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 05:49:05 PM
a cock is something precious
Its what all good girls want  ;D
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: tbombz on October 03, 2011, 05:52:40 PM
bunch of extremely ignorant, bigoted individuals in this thread
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: jmt1 on October 03, 2011, 06:15:56 PM
Child abuse...I can concede that a good percent of homosexuals are born that way. But I'm willing to bet that and even larger percentage is a learnt behavior.  These two Lesbo's should be brought up on charges.

There is no such thing as being born gay.

You have a confused little boy and gay parents....what do you expect to happen?
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: JimmyJam1974 on October 03, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
Typical California shit. Won't hear about shit like this down south.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 07:08:46 PM
a shrink has never healed anyone this is scientific fact number 1. scientific fact number 2: shrinks drain you wallet offering nothing in return. scientific fact 3: psychiatrists are even worse than shrinks...the shills of big pharma. the saddest part of it all is that most believe all their psychogarbage babble.
Never truer words have been spoken, oh how did humanity survive before shrinks.  I always find it odd that a profession that has created out of thin air so many negative human conditions that need to be treated and the only real way to treat it it to see a shrink.  Sounds like vested interest too me, perfect occupation, why would a shrink want to heal his patients, then what we he do for a job.  Better to tell people they are fucked up and that Shrink can help them.  Pschologists & Psychiatrists Big Scam for gullible people.  To all those who think that they are not normal - you do not need a shrink, just need to realise that there is no such thing as normal.  "NORMAL" is a cycle on a washing machine.  ;D Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: Radical Plato on October 03, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
bunch of extremely ignorant, bigoted individuals in this thread
also a bunch of fag loving, extreme left wing, tree hugging freaks who have no problem emasculating some poor boy and convincing him he doesnt need a penis.  Indeed, the world has become way toooooo TOLERANT
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: G_Thang on October 03, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
Typical California shit. Won't hear about shit like this down south.

you're probably right but it's a bitch listing to MFers saying, "what's up brah?" one hundred times a day.

Diego
(http://surf.transworld.net/files/2009/01/21/_mg_3588.jpg)
i'll stick to Caly life.
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: G_Thang on October 03, 2011, 07:35:01 PM
well, as odd as this sounds, he's getting an earlier start than patricia (13 yrs old), so he might turn be real hot tranny.



tallest bitch at the samba school  :-\
Title: Re: Boy started sex change at eight because he (& lesbian parents) knew he wanted to
Post by: TrapsMcLats on October 03, 2011, 08:22:14 PM
What an absolutel load of BS.  The skin has no idea what is touching it, everything is interpereted by the brain.  eg, If you were walking barefoot in pitch black woods at stepped in big pile of bear poo but you couldnt see what you were standing in and couldnt use your other senses to determine what it was you were standing in.  The brain could only guess as to what it was standing in based on texture, density etc of the material been stood in.  The brain is what triggers arousal, if arousal was caused by touch alone, men would never have to rape women.

when a man SEES a woman touch his leg is what i meant... the normal reaction (via the brain.... biochemical reaction)... is arousal.