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Title: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 04, 2011, 04:52:20 PM
do any of you guys get insomnia when you use tren(trensomina)? I have to add xanax to my cycle to be able to sleep. Am I the only one who has to use a tranquilizer to sleep?what are some other options you guys use as im sure not many use xanax to sleep.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 04, 2011, 04:55:53 PM
I usually shoot tren early in the morning...and have no trouble sleeping or not too bad night sweats
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: hagieburger on October 04, 2011, 05:37:33 PM
I smoke weed. It doesn't help me sleep, but it makes me less pissy.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Luolamies on October 04, 2011, 05:55:07 PM
Xanax is a good medication, but it's not a sleeping pill. Alpratzolam is an anxiolytic benzo so it's not nearly the best option for sleep, personally even high doses don't make me drowsy. In my opinion the best benzo for sleep is temazepam, brand name restoril, it's the only one that does not interfere with natural REM-patterns.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: kevinf on October 04, 2011, 05:58:45 PM
Xanax is a good medication, but it's not a sleeping pill. Alpratzolam is an anxiolytic benzo so it's not nearly the best option for sleep, personally even high doses don't make me drowsy. In my opinion the best benzo for sleep is temazepam, brand name restoril, it's the only one that does not interfere with natural REM-patterns.

Last time i took tren ace at 300mg/week i got horrible insomnia. iwas taking Benedryl (Diphenhydamin HCL 50mg). what do you think of benedryl as a sleep aid>?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Luolamies on October 04, 2011, 06:18:12 PM
Last time i took tren ace at 300mg/week i got horrible insomnia. iwas taking Benedryl (Diphenhydamin HCL 50mg). what do you think of benedryl as a sleep aid>?

Benadryl is a good medication and if you can sleep with that great, i'd actually choose it over most benzos, since it's non-addicting, but it doens't mix well with many other medications, so it's out of the question for me. There are tons of RX and OTC sleep meds. From ambien to doxylamine succinate (awesome OTC sleep aid), kind of like Benadryl, but without the next morning grogginess. Also some take supplements with melatonin and it's fine, but if you take any other CNS-supressants their possible negative effects will multiply, esp. if you have low blood pressure.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tstmaniac on October 04, 2011, 07:34:43 PM
Xanax makes me drowsy as hell...make sure you use it sparringly because withdrawals from xanax are no joke..if you use a reasonable dose and take it as needed like I do you shouldn't have any problems..tren never gave me insomnia but every morning I was waking up ridiculously early feeling refreshed and full of energy..night sweats and the effects on my endurance are why I prefer not to use it anymore...I didn't feel right on it.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: lesaucer on October 04, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
only time i got it was when i did my first cycle, i had it with crazy night sweat, now i can run double the amount i was running and no sides.  my reasoning to this it has been talked before most agree: if you get the night sweat its because you have some fat on you. and my reasoning about the insomnia is, if you sweat while you sleep, its because your body temp get crazy high for nothing, so its just normal that your body tells you to wake the fuck up, something is wrong when you sweat as much as if you were running while sleeping.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tstmaniac on October 04, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
I kno guys with very low bodyfat who can't sleep for shit on tren.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: dyslexic on October 05, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
I kno guys with very low bodyfat who can't sleep for shit on tren.

I can't sleep for shit period. When I have bodyfat in single digits I am freezing to death all night and have to run electric blanket. Ambien barely works if I am shredded and I go to bed hungry ~ BUT! I do love the way my body looks in the morning.

Test keeps me up at night just like Tren. take them in the AM with yer coffee.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 05, 2011, 12:50:25 AM
Xanax is a good medication, but it's not a sleeping pill. Alpratzolam is an anxiolytic benzo so it's not nearly the best option for sleep, personally even high doses don't make me drowsy. In my opinion the best benzo for sleep is temazepam, brand name restoril, it's the only one that does not interfere with natural REM-patterns.

I know its a benzodiazepene xanax is mainly used for panic attacks but it can also be prescribed for insomnia.most people get tired off of xanax. I know it works for me even after 3.5 years works better than ambien-IMO. Ive never known anybody who has taken xanax for their first time and not passed out . I also take 25 mg benedryl. right now Im getting pretty addicted to xanax I go threw pretty serious withdrawals if I do not have it. but that seldom happens ive had a script for 3.5 years and thats only happened once or twice I  get quite a few. but sleep is one of the most important things and I cant do shit if I have not slept.Tren and back pain started the insomnia. I am also 6% BF at 188pds 5-7 right now so I am pretty lean.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: bladerunner on October 05, 2011, 02:05:13 AM
I ran tren at 600mgs x week n had no sides,no insomnia at all.thinking next time to up the dose to 800 or even 1000mg x week.i was a little anxious about the insomnia before i started my cycle but was surprised to have no problem sleeping.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Luolamies on October 05, 2011, 05:39:12 AM
I know its a benzodiazepene xanax is mainly used for panic attacks but it can also be prescribed for insomnia.most people get tired off of xanax. I know it works for me even after 3.5 years works better than ambien-IMO. Ive never known anybody who has taken xanax for their first time and not passed out . I also take 25 mg benedryl. right now Im getting pretty addicted to xanax I go threw pretty serious withdrawals if I do not have it. but that seldom happens ive had a script for 3.5 years and thats only happened once or twice I  get quite a few. but sleep is one of the most important things and I cant do shit if I have not slept.Tren and back pain started the insomnia. I am also 6% BF at 188pds 5-7 right now so I am pretty lean.

Yeah, i understand what you are saying i have had RX for Xanax for nearly ten years and i also have one for Restoril. You said that sleep is one the most important things and i agree, that's why i recommend temazepam, (restoril, also a benzo) for someone who has sleep issues as it does give you the most natural and relaxing sleep (no REM interference) out of the RX class of meds. Ambien and other Z-class drugs work for some, but not for everyone example for me. Everyone reacts differently to everything. For example when they operated my knee, they had to give me 7x average amount of fentanyl and a lot more midazolam via i.v. then to the average guy and i still barely felt anything and was feeling "sober" about 1,5 h after the surgery (my doc was dumbfounded), while there where guys seriously F####d up who had been given minimal amounts of meds (i overheard the doc and nurses) and had been operated on much earlier than me.

PS. To anyone who has sleep issues, if you can get by OTC sleep aids stay with them...

I ran tren at 600mgs x week n had no sides,no insomnia at all.thinking next time to up the dose to 800 or even 1000mg x week.i was a little anxious about the insomnia before i started my cycle but was surprised to have no problem sleeping.

What was your BP?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tstmaniac on October 05, 2011, 06:00:49 AM
I know its a benzodiazepene xanax is mainly used for panic attacks but it can also be prescribed for insomnia.most people get tired off of xanax. I know it works for me even after 3.5 years works better than ambien-IMO. Ive never known anybody who has taken xanax for their first time and not passed out . I also take 25 mg benedryl. right now Im getting pretty addicted to xanax I go threw pretty serious withdrawals if I do not have it. but that seldom happens ive had a script for 3.5 years and thats only happened once or twice I  get quite a few. but sleep is one of the most important things and I cant do shit if I have not slept.Tren and back pain started the insomnia. I am also 6% BF at 188pds 5-7 right now so I am pretty lean.
How did you start getting the withdrawals? Were you taking it every day?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Meso_z on October 05, 2011, 06:02:30 AM
Anyone ever tried a mix of perphenazine (neuroleptic) and amitriptyline (antidepressant) its in one pill, one dose.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Rearden Metal on October 05, 2011, 06:55:33 AM
Combination of 150mg tren/day and 100mg ephedrine/day completely kills the GH snoozies. I sleep like shit now too.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: BiGHer on October 05, 2011, 02:45:22 PM
I battle with this WW.  I try to go to sleep but end up just laying in bed until I decide to read or go on GB or whatever, but it does suck.  I don't like sleep aids so I just tough it out (I have no problem shooting Tren though, lol  ::)).  I also don't need a ton of sleep so it doesn't kill me during my waking hours, but I do battle it though.  Night sweats too.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 05, 2011, 04:02:53 PM
How did you start getting the withdrawals? Were you taking it every day?


Yeah everyday 6mg of xanax plus my pain meds for my back. 240mg oxycodone IR they didnt start me on this dose ive been on oxycodone IR for awhile too, sucks because it makes my muscles smoother.  I have a huge toloerance too. I got a fracture in my spine and blown discs some of it was when I got hit by a drunk driver, some was from working out and sports.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Max B on October 05, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
Yeah everyday 6mg of xanax plus my pain meds for my back. 240mg oxycodone IR they didnt start me on this dose ive been on oxycodone IR for awhile too, sucks because it makes my muscles smoother.  I have a huge toloerance too. I got a fracture in my spine and blown discs some of it was when I got hit by a drunk driver, some was from working out and sports.


Damn bro, that's alot of Xanax and oxycodone...  Explain to me how oxycodone makes your muscles smoother... my buddy just got prescribed and I'm going to let him know I heard this..

Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 05, 2011, 05:56:09 PM

Damn bro, that's alot of Xanax and oxycodone...  Explain to me how oxycodone makes your muscles smoother... my buddy just got prescribed and I'm going to let him know I heard this..



well I get the 30mg oxycodone tabs. I get them in he sealed factory bottles since I get over 100. the bottle have a pamphlet slightly glued on the top of the cap. I read through it and it said oxycodone will make your muscles smooth not sure if it said why I will have to read through it again. but it def said it causes smooth muscles.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: dustin on October 05, 2011, 06:13:11 PM
A day or two after it starts really kicking in I get a bit of insomnia. It fades in and out for the first bit and generally goes away.

I never really got bad tren sweats till this time around. Wee nelly. I fucking SOAK my clothes. I try so hard to not move while I'm in bed so I don't overheat and soak my wife. I feel bad for her lol
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Max B on October 05, 2011, 06:13:46 PM
lol, i think they actually mean Smooth Muscles. There are different muscle groups in the human body, it's not only skeletal muscle tissue..... now the effect they have on smooth muscle tissue i have no idea. but it doesnt mean your biceps are going to get smoother... LOL  :D
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 05, 2011, 06:33:27 PM
lol, i think they actually mean Smooth Muscles. There are different muscle groups in the human body, it's not only skeletal muscle tissue..... now the effect they have on smooth muscle tissue i have no idea. but it doesnt mean your biceps are going to get smoother... LOL  :D

I think your right I just saw smooth muscles and freaked out. cant be good for your body though. especially the doses I take plus the roids.I am a walking pharmacy at least I feel like one
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Brocty on October 05, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
im up to almost a gram a week and get pretty aggressive night sweats, but not insomnia.  Also depleted to hell and tired at night so that helps with the sleep
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Rearden Metal on October 05, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
A day or two after it starts really kicking in I get a bit of insomnia. It fades in and out for the first bit and generally goes away.

I never really got bad tren sweats till this time around. Wee nelly. I fucking SOAK my clothes. I try so hard to not move while I'm in bed so I don't overheat and soak my wife. I feel bad for her lol

Fucking ditto. I stopped wearing tshirts to bed cuz I fully sweat through 4 a night. I started sleeping on the couch with an old comforter under me and a fan right on me and I still sweat through that. My poor GF can't catch a break. At least at 180 lbs I don't snore like at 215.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: reppingfor20 on October 05, 2011, 08:19:10 PM
I know its a benzodiazepene xanax is mainly used for panic attacks but it can also be prescribed for insomnia.most people get tired off of xanax. I know it works for me even after 3.5 years works better than ambien-IMO. Ive never known anybody who has taken xanax for their first time and not passed out . I also take 25 mg benedryl. right now Im getting pretty addicted to xanax I go threw pretty serious withdrawals if I do not have it. but that seldom happens ive had a script for 3.5 years and thats only happened once or twice I  get quite a few. but sleep is one of the most important things and I cant do shit if I have not slept.Tren and back pain started the insomnia. I am also 6% BF at 188pds 5-7 right now so I am pretty lean.

xanax is not usually prescribed for sleep because it is so addicting there are many other benzo's to try before you go down that road.  

and taking that much oxy for too long will fuck up your health it is very addicting too, xanax and oxy not good, I would get off that as soon as you can tolerate it.

Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 05, 2011, 09:32:50 PM
xanax is not usually prescribed for sleep because it is so addicting there are many other benzo's to try before you go down that road.  

and taking that much oxy for too long will fuck up your health it is very addicting too, xanax and oxy not good, I would get off that as soon as you can tolerate it.




after years of otc meds I went from ativan to klonopin to xanax. It is used for insomnia in some cases my bottle says take 1-2 tabs 3 times daily as needed for panic attacks. but I have a friend who gets xanax as well and his says take 2 tablets at night for insomnia. so it is used for insomnia but mainly panic attacks. the ativan worked way to slow the klonopin was ok but didnt compare to xanax as I had tried xanax before.I have pretty bad anxiety and also cant sleep but my bottle does not say use for insomnia but I have seen some that have like my friend who just gets 60 1mg tabs a month it directly says for insomnia. All I know is it works so I will keep taking it. and the oxycodone I am on contract for so thats almost a life long commitment. I have tried to get off the oxycodone with suboxin but after 3  years good luck. its not very easy. the suboxin treated me awful. my quality of life is way better on the oxycodone 30mg IR's(instant releases) same as oxycontin with no time release and a hell of alot cheaper. I actually get 440 tabs a month but use 240 so I did cutt back I was on 480mg a day for awhile.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Meso_z on October 05, 2011, 10:05:01 PM
Anyone ever tried a mix of perphenazine (neuroleptic) and amitriptyline (antidepressant) its in one pill, one dose.
bump? anyone?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tlc on October 06, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
I was a lifelong insomniac until I started taking test back in June - slept like a baby for the first time in decades.

Started tren about a week or so ago and I still sleep better than I did pre-gear, but yeah, at least an extra hour in the day (or night) to pace about, flex in the mirror, shovel yet more ice cream down my throat...  ;D 

Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: hangclean on October 06, 2011, 11:48:18 PM
It's the only bad side effect I get from tren.  I used GABA and it seemed to work well, but it only worked for a week or so.

Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 07, 2011, 01:41:52 AM
It's the only bad side effect I get from tren.  I used GABA and it seemed to work well, but it only worked for a week or so.



I wished melatonin worked for me I hear thats great for bodybuilding for some reason boosts HGH levels is what I heard through the grapevine.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Meso_z on October 07, 2011, 05:37:48 AM
I wished melatonin worked for me I hear thats great for bodybuilding for some reason boosts HGH levels is what I heard through the grapevine.
How much xanax to you take? the most ive used was like 0.75 mcg (or mg?) 3x 0.25 pills.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Overload on October 07, 2011, 08:45:38 AM
It's in MG.

2mg of Xanax should knock most people out.


8)
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: hangclean on October 07, 2011, 01:26:38 PM
I wished melatonin worked for me I hear thats great for bodybuilding for some reason boosts HGH levels is what I heard through the grapevine.
melatonin works for me, but i get crazy nightmares from it. 
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tstmaniac on October 07, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
Yeah everyday 6mg of xanax plus my pain meds for my back. 240mg oxycodone IR they didnt start me on this dose ive been on oxycodone IR for awhile too, sucks because it makes my muscles smoother.  I have a huge toloerance too. I got a fracture in my spine and blown discs some of it was when I got hit by a drunk driver, some was from working out and sports.

dam man thats a lot of xanax every day...im perscribed .5mgs and try to use as little as possible...really tryin to avoid building a tolerance to it and make sure to take days off from using it...what dose did you start at?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 07, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
How much xanax to you take? the most ive used was like 0.75 mcg (or mg?) 3x 0.25 pills.

6mg a day. Ive taken up to 10mg when I used to get the 2mg xanax bars.I used to get 90 2mg bars but switched to 180 1mg xanax as it is easier to control myself. I cant refill every month till 28 days has gone by. so I have to be real careful not to go over 6mg a day. you have to understand I have been using this drug for nearly 4 years and I built up a tolerance.before I had a prescription I would get them from the blackmarket and they were always greenstone 2mg bars and i didnt realize how strong and addictive they were and would take 4-5 tabs a day and pass out at like 8pm wake up the next morning wondering what happened. its strong stuff when you get up to 8-10mg a day.Even 6mg is a heavy dose to someone who dosn't take it, but I lowered my dosage and got a legal script because I really do need the drug it helps with my anxiety and my insomnia wich gets real bad when I use Tren.to me xanax is a miracle drug once you get used to it. no social anxiety, I am not as high strung, I am more relaxed and patient. its wonderful  if you suffer from anxiety and have sleep issues.The doctor didnt just put me on xanax right away first it was prozac wich was horrible because I dont suffer from depression I just have anxiety so it had a opposite effect made me manic. then I was put on ativan worked way to slow so he put me on klonopin wich was pretty good stuff but not as good as xanax after 6 months on klonopin I got refered to another dr who put me on the xanax. so I did have to go through 3 diffrent drugs before I was put on xanax some doctors refuse to prescribe xanax as they say its more addictive then opiates. what I have noticed is the foreign mainly korean doctors dont seem to think its a big deal and the prescribe it with ease. they mainly just want your money.as I could get anything off him as long as I paid the walk in fee. so I went there even though I had insurance but this dr. didnt accept the kind of insurance I have . they love cash pay customers and people who need schedule 2 medication like oxycodone or oxycontin because you cannot get refills you have to go in every month and get a hard copy, so every month they get the walk in fee. this dr. makes 2,000$ a day just dealing with cash pay customers I looked at the sign in sheet and everybody on it except for a few paid the walk-in fee wich is 100$ except the first visit wich is 150$ anyway he had like 20 patients who paid cash that day I eyeballed the sheet and at least 20 people paid cash and its always packed in there. the guy probably makes 10,000-12,000 a week.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Meso_z on October 07, 2011, 09:55:40 PM
6mg a day. Ive taken up to 10mg when I used to get the 2mg xanax bars.I used to get 90 2mg bars but switched to 180 1mg xanax as it is easier to control myself. I cant refill every month till 28 days has gone by. so I have to be real careful not to go over 6mg a day. you have to understand I have been using this drug for nearly 4 years and I built up a tolerance.before I had a prescription I would get them from the blackmarket and they were always greenstone 2mg bars and i didnt realize how strong and addictive they were and would take 4-5 tabs a day and pass out at like 8pm wake up the next morning wondering what happened. its strong stuff when you get up to 8-10mg a day.Even 6mg is a heavy dose to someone who dosn't take it, but I lowered my dosage and got a legal script because I really do need the drug it helps with my anxiety and my insomnia wich gets real bad when I use Tren.to me xanax is a miracle drug once you get used to it. no social anxiety, I am not as high strung, I am more relaxed and patient. its wonderful  if you suffer from anxiety and have sleep issues.The doctor didnt just put me on xanax right away first it was prozac wich was horrible because I dont suffer from depression I just have anxiety so it had a opposite effect made me manic. then I was put on ativan worked way to slow so he put me on klonopin wich was pretty good stuff but not as good as xanax after 6 months on klonopin I got refered to another dr who put me on the xanax. so I did have to go through 3 diffrent drugs before I was put on xanax some doctors refuse to prescribe xanax as they say its more addictive then opiates. what I have noticed is the foreign mainly korean doctors dont seem to think its a big deal and the prescribe it with ease. they mainly just want your money.as I could get anything off him as long as I paid the walk in fee. so I went there even though I had insurance but this dr. didnt accept the kind of insurance I have . they love cash pay customers and people who need schedule 2 medication like oxycodone or oxycontin because you cannot get refills you have to go in every month and get a hard copy, so every month they get the walk in fee. this dr. makes 2,000$ a day just dealing with cash pay customers I looked at the sign in sheet and everybody on it except for a few paid the walk-in fee wich is 100$ except the first visit wich is 150$ anyway he had like 20 patients who paid cash that day I eyeballed the sheet and at least 20 people paid cash and its always packed in there. the guy probably makes 10,000-12,000 a week.
6mgs? Man thats alot..I want to use it only for anxiety issues when in public thats all...a 0.5mg dose did the trick for me..
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Fitness4Life on October 07, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
Yeah everyday 6mg of xanax plus my pain meds for my back. 240mg oxycodone IR they didnt start me on this dose ive been on oxycodone IR for awhile too, sucks because it makes my muscles smoother.  I have a huge toloerance too. I got a fracture in my spine and blown discs some of it was when I got hit by a drunk driver, some was from working out and sports.

druggie lol. this is exactly what gh15 says u shouldn't do
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 08, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
druggie lol. this is exactly what gh15 says u shouldn't do

You would be surprised of what some pros use. I am not a pro but they use some serious steroids+drugs.Dont believe me ask GH15 if I am the only one taking these meds you ever hear of nubain? many of the 90's competitors to current day pros use nubain plus percocet ,oxycodone whatever they can get ahold of. Plus I need the medication my back is fcked I am not takingg these meds for shits and giggles I wouldnt even be able to get prescribed these meds unless I had a fucked up MRI. you ever have a frature in your spine or blown several discs in your neck and back? it dosnt feel very good. my sciatica is so inflamed I tingle all the way down from my L4 -L5 to my toes. I cant even sit for 10 minutes without having to stand up.the discs in my neck are so blown I cant turn my head without medication. not even cortisone shots help.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: notsureifsrs on October 08, 2011, 02:39:59 AM
You would be surprised of what some pros use. I am not a pro but they use some serious steroids+drugs.Dont believe me ask GH15 if I am the only one taking these meds you ever hear of nubain? many of the 90's competitors to current day pros use nubain plus percocet ,oxycodone whatever they can get ahold of. Plus I need the medication my back is fcked I am not takingg these meds for shits and giggles I wouldnt even be able to get prescribed these meds unless I had a fucked up MRI. you ever have a frature in your spine or blown several discs in your neck and back? it dosnt feel very good. my sciatica is so inflamed I tingle all the way down from my L4 -L5 to my toes. I cant even sit for 10 minutes without having to stand up.the discs in my neck are so blown I cant turn my head without medication. not even cortisone shots help.
If it's not private, can you share what caused you these problems?
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: WillGrant on October 08, 2011, 03:22:50 AM
Keep busy during the day and active so you are tired when you hit the pillow - limit the stress in your life eg: cunt GFs or any lil bit of anxiety will have you going round and round in circles in your head and with tren in your system you will be getting no sleep at all  ;D - If things are all good in my life im fine to sleep on it but have the maddest very vivid dreams that border on weird as fuck!!
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 08, 2011, 04:49:04 AM
If it's not private, can you share what caused you these problems?

some of it is genetic as my mom has bad anxiety as did my grandma. I grew up real poor and always worried if my mom would be able to pay the rent. things a 9-10yr old shouldnt have to worry about. had a shitty dad who cheated on my mom when I was 2 they were divorced when I was 3 and he was also abusive I dont have any pictures of my mom and I when i was 3 or younger  where she dosnt have a black eye. when I got about 14 I got my first job and made some money as I started working at a fast food joint in the summer before freshman year I saved alot of money as I kept the job and worked on the weekends I did this till I was a sophmore . I never got a day off it was always school and work on the weekends.I saved about 30grand and bought a brand new mustang when I was 16 it had 10 miles on it! so I got alot of attention junior year. I am just about 30 yrs old and I still worry about shit alot and I in general have anxiety just genetically. I am also a very quiet person and the meds help me open up and talk to people more I dont have any social anxiety anymore I dont have insomnia anymore wich got real bad when I use tren same with my anxiety it gets worse as well on tren. I have had some friends commit suicide. I have had some friends just go bad routes into bad drugs such as heroin and crystal meth. things I never thought they would get into when we were 12. one of my friends recently died of melanoma cancer at 29. just have had a stresful life but most of it is genetic. Things have gotten better for me but I have to help my mom out as she is unemployed. the economy sucks. she has a masters degree and teaches college level english/writing but cant find work. I have the same problems alot of people have.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: notsureifsrs on October 08, 2011, 06:48:52 AM
some of it is genetic as my mom has bad anxiety as did my grandma. I grew up real poor and always worried if my mom would be able to pay the rent. things a 9-10yr old shouldnt have to worry about. had a shitty dad who cheated on my mom when I was 2 they were divorced when I was 3 and he was also abusive I dont have any pictures of my mom and I when i was 3 or younger  where she dosnt have a black eye. when I got about 14 I got my first job and made some money as I started working at a fast food joint in the summer before freshman year I saved alot of money as I kept the job and worked on the weekends I did this till I was a sophmore . I never got a day off it was always school and work on the weekends.I saved about 30grand and bought a brand new mustang when I was 16 it had 10 miles on it! so I got alot of attention junior year. I am just about 30 yrs old and I still worry about shit alot and I in general have anxiety just genetically. I am also a very quiet person and the meds help me open up and talk to people more I dont have any social anxiety anymore I dont have insomnia anymore wich got real bad when I use tren same with my anxiety it gets worse as well on tren. I have had some friends commit suicide. I have had some friends just go bad routes into bad drugs such as heroin and crystal meth. things I never thought they would get into when we were 12. one of my friends recently died of melanoma cancer at 29. just have had a stresful life but most of it is genetic. Things have gotten better for me but I have to help my mom out as she is unemployed. the economy sucks. she has a masters degree and teaches college level english/writing but cant find work. I have the same problems alot of people have.
Thanks for sharing i really appreciate it,
i was just wondering because i don't know many people who take meds on regular basis.
and i hope that things will get better for you, good luck :)
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: spude on October 08, 2011, 10:25:51 AM
I usually shoot tren early in the morning...and have no trouble sleeping or not too bad night sweats

i shoot it right before bed so it dosn't have time to hit my blood stream before falling asleep...has worked wonders
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: spude on October 08, 2011, 10:30:14 AM
i shoot it right before bed so it dosn't have time to hit my blood stream before falling asleep...has worked wonders

that combined with my last gh dose like 1-2h earlier and i sleep like a baby :)
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tlc on October 08, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
i shoot it right before bed so it dosn't have time to hit my blood stream before falling asleep...has worked wonders

Unless you're waiting three days between shots, this makes no sense. 40 hour half life doesn't mean it's all gone in 40hrs, means that's when it starts tapering off. You're probably just lucky and don't get this side effect.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 08, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Thanks for sharing i really appreciate it,
i was just wondering because i don't know many people who take meds on regular basis.
and i hope that things will get better for you, good luck :)

well thats why i get the xanax .I get the oxycodone due to some blown discs in my neck and back from sports and bodybuilding plus I was in a bad car accident I got hit by a drunk driver. caused a break in my spine right in the T12.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: lowkey9 on October 08, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
25-50mg seroquel 45 minutes to an hour before bed.  Only thing that worked for me.  Not habit forming/addictive and you won't build up a tolerance to it like you would ambien or benzos like xanax. 
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 08, 2011, 09:32:20 PM
25-50mg seroquel 45 minutes to an hour before bed.  Only thing that worked for me.  Not habit forming/addictive and you won't build up a tolerance to it like you would ambien or benzos like xanax. 

I have heard of seroquel I had a friend do a trial for the drug. and he said it made him sleep all day!
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: lowkey9 on October 09, 2011, 10:03:30 PM
I have heard of seroquel I had a friend do a trial for the drug. and he said it made him sleep all day!

It's dosed way way higher (300, 500, sometimes up to 700mg) when used for it's intended purpose, but at 25 or 50mg it works amazingly as a sleep aid, and it's also unbelievably cheap.  I'd suggest you at least give it a shot :)
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: epic_alien on October 10, 2011, 01:20:10 AM
i shoot it right before bed so it dosn't have time to hit my blood stream before falling asleep...has worked wonders

it hits your blood before you pull the needle out. but i do like your answer
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: whitewidow on October 10, 2011, 02:29:54 AM
It's dosed way way higher (300, 500, sometimes up to 700mg) when used for it's intended purpose, but at 25 or 50mg it works amazingly as a sleep aid, and it's also unbelievably cheap.  I'd suggest you at least give it a shot :)

Isnt serequel for bi-polar disorder? I have anxiety and have insomina but I am definately not Bi-polar. I heard name brand serequel is expensive if you do not have insurance but could be bullshit thats what my friend said thats why he got to do the trial it was due to the price of the name brand. this was awhile ago though maybe they have a generic out thats cheaper.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Cal_Lifter on October 10, 2011, 07:55:10 AM
Isnt serequel for bi-polar disorder? I have anxiety and have insomina but I am definately not Bi-polar. I heard name brand serequel is expensive if you do not have insurance but could be bullshit thats what my friend said thats why he got to do the trial it was due to the price of the name brand. this was awhile ago though maybe they have a generic out thats cheaper.

Actually, it's an anti-psychotic that is used secondarily for bi-polar and its off label use is for insomnia. Dose can go up to as high as 600mg for its primary use, but for sleep, 25 to 50mg is prescribed (1 or 2 pills before bed; this is what I use it for).

It is very expensive. Unfortunately there isn't a generic version out yet, which keeps the price high. 
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Lord of the Roidz on October 10, 2011, 09:15:33 AM
I'm curious why guys on here, who will probably never step on a stage..are willing to stay up all night..sweating like a pig..feeling like shit..all to be on the magical "Tren." Then to have to take sleep meds.. also probably something to make the dick hard..Hey guys, wake up! It's idiotic. If you must be on juice, take something that doesn't have these stupid sides.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: hangclean on October 10, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
I'm curious why guys on here, who will probably never step on a stage..are willing to stay up all night..sweating like a pig..feeling like shit..all to be on the magical "Tren." Then to have to take sleep meds.. also probably something to make the dick hard..Hey guys, wake up! It's idiotic. If you must be on juice, take something that doesn't have these stupid sides.
actually, tren makes my dick harder than any other steroid.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Cal_Lifter on October 10, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
actually, tren makes my dick harder than any other steroid.

same here.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: tlc on October 10, 2011, 12:52:04 PM
I'm curious why guys on here, who will probably never step on a stage..are willing to stay up all night..sweating like a pig..feeling like shit..all to be on the magical "Tren." Then to have to take sleep meds.. also probably something to make the dick hard..Hey guys, wake up! It's idiotic. If you must be on juice, take something that doesn't have these stupid sides.

Tren sides are overblown. BBers are generally a bunch of pansies, tren gives us something to whine about to other self-obsessed nancys, basically.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: dustin on October 10, 2011, 09:52:43 PM
I sweat like a pig at night and wake up in the morning looking like a shredded, jacked king. That's why I use tren.

I hate to sound conceded... but it's tough to stop looking at myself in the mirror on tren. Anyone taking legit tren surely has the same problem too lol no shame.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Max B on October 10, 2011, 09:57:44 PM
how about facial aging while on tren.... how long does it take for effects like that to happen...  Eg. steve namat being in his late 20's but looking 38
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Cal_Lifter on October 11, 2011, 07:26:54 AM
how about facial aging while on tren.... how long does it take for effects like that to happen...  Eg. steve namat being in his late 20's but looking 38

Overblown. You can't use Namat as an example as he's not only using tren; it's only one compound in a laundry list of compounds that he uses..
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: efanhowz on October 12, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
same here.
me 2. my morning wood is annoying and lasts way too long.
im on week 2 of 500mg jinan trenax, and whoever has used jinan knows its potent shit
best thing is it flows through a 27 gauge needle!
ill let you guys know how my 8 week run goes if im not in jail or a mental institution by then
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Fitness4Life on October 24, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
just jumped on the trensomnia wagon, 3 hours of sleep a night on average, shit sux!  plus 75mg of ephedrine doesn't help
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: matrixgh on October 24, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
Iam on tren 150mg/ed now, first 2 weeks i was having bad insomnia and swimming with my on sweet, tire to flipping a pillow every night, so start taking Zopiclone for one week then I stop, and for now on I sleep like a baby :)  all you need treatment for insomnia, u don't solve a problem with recreational drugs like xanax.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Overload on October 24, 2011, 11:09:36 AM
Eg. steve namat being in his late 20's but looking 38

A lot of this has to do with his natural born genetics as well.  Men from that part of the world don't always age well.  I have a friend from Poland who is 27 and looks over 40 and he doesn't drink or do drugs.


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Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: efanhowz on October 30, 2011, 06:44:32 AM
Update:

My girlfriend found out I had been cheating for 5 months with gf#2 and both dumped me today. My fault: yes. I deserve it: yes. Did tren make me do it?: no

Lesson: pretty girls come and go, good Girls don't

I'm 26
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: reppingfor20 on October 30, 2011, 01:56:06 PM
Update:

My girlfriend found out I had been cheating for 5 months with gf#2 and both dumped me today. My fault: yes. I deserve it: yes. Did tren make me do it?: no

Lesson: pretty girls come and go, good Girls don't

I'm 26

at least you learned a lesson, that is too bad you decided to do that.

Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: Fitness4Life on October 30, 2011, 05:47:12 PM
Update:

My girlfriend found out I had been cheating for 5 months with gf#2 and both dumped me today. My fault: yes. I deserve it: yes. Did tren make me do it?: no

Lesson: pretty girls come and go, good Girls don't

I'm 26

if you were cheating her for 5 months, you didn't love her, you'll get past the rejection and regret very quickly
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: D.O.U.P on October 31, 2011, 06:51:30 PM
Update:

My girlfriend found out I had been cheating for 5 months with gf#2 and both dumped me today. My fault: yes. I deserve it: yes. Did tren make me do it?: no

Lesson: pretty girls come and go, good Girls don't

I'm 26

Good point.
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: efanhowz on October 31, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
I was my longtime girlfriends first love and it sucks knowing what type of person I've become in order to hurt her like that. She says if she decides to take me back I have to quit AAS. I straight up told her that's not happening. I love her and care for her but I just may need some "me" time to bang out some sluts and get this promiscuity out of my system
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: g101 on October 31, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
I sweat like a pig at night and wake up in the morning looking like a shredded, jacked king. That's why I use tren.

I hate to sound conceded... but it's tough to stop looking at myself in the mirror on tren. Anyone taking legit tren surely has the same problem too lol no shame.

this is true.. you can't stop looking at yourself lol again not to sound conceded like dustin sais, to the point where this girl said "k can u stop touching and looking at yourself"  ;D

only true trenbolona ace users understand this, the rest can dream on...
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: dustin on November 01, 2011, 02:36:28 AM
this is true.. you can't stop looking at yourself lol again not to sound conceded like dustin sais, to the point where this girl said "k can u stop touching and looking at yourself"  ;D

only true trenbolona ace users understand this, the rest can dream on...

My wife bangs on the bathroom doors and tells me if I'm not shitting, I'd better fucking open it right away LOL

Been on 100mg EOD for a couple of vials now and the only shitty thing is that I've started sweating a lot more even though I'm so lean. I've been taking naps at work during lunch, and a few minutes after I fall asleep I get a nice film of sweat. Slept the whole lunch hour a few evenings ago and soaked my shirt. Good thing I had a fresh one in my car though. Fuckin' trenbologna. I love and hate this shit 8)
Title: Re: Trensomnia
Post by: D.O.U.P on November 01, 2011, 11:05:58 PM
I was my longtime girlfriends first love and it sucks knowing what type of person I've become in order to hurt her like that. She says if she decides to take me back I have to quit AAS. I straight up told her that's not happening. I love her and care for her but I just may need some "me" time to bang out some sluts and get this promiscuity out of my system

hhhahaha  "get this promiscuity out of my system"  there is a price to pay for that.