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Lets say you made some quick gains in 6 - 12 months on steroids / GH, etc.
If you stopped using them, but continued a consistent workout regimen and diet could you hold on to your gains?
Maybe GH15 can shine in on this.
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no.
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Perhaps
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No.
the only thing you can do it to try to "stop" the loss, it can work for a few weeks (mainly because you still have some hormones in the system).
the only reason people say :" I kept all my gains" is because they kept weighing the same.
Because they got fatter trying to maintain what they gained with drugs by eating a lot of food
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within 3 weeks after being off his body will start to deteriorate little by little..fullness will start to go away ,water will make it's presence..90 days later he is a complete different person...regarless of his diet and training...he will still look "good" if keeps this but nothing closer to the physiue he had when he was "on"..muscles simply wont pop out and that swole look would be a thing of the past.
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No.
the only thing you can do it to try to "stop" the loss, it can work for a few weeks (mainly because you still have some hormones in the system).
the only reason people say :" I kept all my gains" is because they kept weighing the same.
Because they got fatter trying to maintain what they gained with drugs by eating a lot of food
this^^^
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yes its def a mindfuck but as long as u look like youre "on" to average people what does it really matter.. just throw on a t shirt instead of a muscle shirt when u train lol. or never come off at all.. you can get away with training natural until you're next cycle and u might actually enhance youre natural potential given u havent reached it yet.... proviron or anti e's can still be used when not on hormones without interupting your htpa as well to give a slightly harder, drier look if already lean. which we all know is the key to this game, leanness...
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no,, not possible,, physiqe build on hormones will go away moment you stp the hormones,, it will go away slow...will tkae couple months for the begginingof full and utter crush into the old you only heavier and more estrogenic lol
even physiqe that is not built on hormones is not possibel to maintain unlessyou train and everything ison point,,
body want omeostasis,, it want to be happy and flabby ,, this iswhat body wants,, you can work hard for the money and carrylower bodyfat... do construction or god know what..butin the end of the day,,body want to be 15-20% bodyfat with some at the 12-15% and some at the 18-22%
over that is obesity and its health problems sometimes related to genetic or just from sitting on ass being lazy and eating fato food all day
the answer to the question is a definite no
gh15 approved
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no,, not possible,, physiqe build on hormones will go away moment you stp the hormones,, it will go away slow...will tkae couple months for the begginingof full and utter crush into the old you only heavier and more estrogenic lol
even physiqe that is not built on hormones is not possibel to maintain unlessyou train and everything ison point,,
body want omeostasis,, it want to be happy and flabby ,, this iswhat body wants,, you can work hard for the money and carrylower bodyfat... do construction or god know what..butin the end of the day,,body want to be 15-20% bodyfat with some at the 12-15% and some at the 18-22%
over that is obesity and its health problems sometimes related to genetic or just from sitting on ass being lazy and eating fato food all day
the answer to the question is a definite no
gh15 approved
So if you continue working out, youll keep the gains?
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can you feel drunk when there s no more alchool in your system? no.
Can you feel excited when there s no more caffeine in your system? no.
etc etc.
It's all artificial.
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can you feel drunk when there s no more alchool in your system? no.
Can you feel excited when there s no more caffeine in your system? no.
etc etc.
It's all artificial.
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can you feel drunk when there s no more alchool in your system? no.
Can you feel excited when there s no more caffeine in your system? no.
etc etc.
It's all artificial.
lesson learnt: always have tren in my system
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Lets say you made some quick gains in 6 - 12 months on steroids / GH, etc.
If you stopped using them, but continued a consistent workout regimen and diet could you hold on to your gains?
Maybe GH15 can shine in on this.
Yes. Just eat wayyyy cleaner..or youre fucked.
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So if you continue working out, youll keep the gains?
Not if you were using exogenous hormones.
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Yes. Just eat wayyyy cleaner..or youre fucked.
yeah like my bro Meso said, eat clean pussies or else you will catch bad shits
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lesson learnt: always have tren in my system
you know you re going to age and die right?
immature kids and adults who never want to die because they ve been spoonfed from day one by single momy... who cant raise kids as they re forever kids themselves...
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Yes. Just eat wayyyy cleaner..or youre fucked.
you cant friend,, eating clean = you reduce size....gains wont be kept,, your body slowly will get back to higher bodyfat water retnetion and lsoe lean muscle slowly....even if you eat 10 tmies a day clean wont help ....the problem is when you eat clean yuor body will lack the rich calorie food that build lean size on specific drugs,, what will happen to you is this...
from 210lb 6% yuo will become 195lb fella 10% and pretty damn fast as in a month or 2 friend,,this is what happen when you eat clean and maintain 100% bodybuild life and fight a world war 3 to keep gains after you stop hormones,, yuo only lose 15 lb of lean muscle within 2 months lol
gh15 approved
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the problem i have is how do you lose everything when you multiply muscle cells with gh. some natural contests will not allow you to compete because you are looked at as having an unfair advantage because your muscles are like that forever (not getting into the debate about natural bbing) SO i believe that you keep some muscle and perhaps when your body starts producing hormones you CAN keep alot of the gains. the problem lies where guys either don't want to train naturally while off horomones and or don't train right. also the nutrition has to change. of course you are going to gain fat BUT some muscle will be there
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lesson learnt: always have tren in my system
yes,, and TRENBOLONA ISalso the answer to veins poping out all over,, small ,, medium ,, big,, you will haveso much veins on the inner biceps andtheywill pop more and more every few days...only thing you wil have to do is EAT enough calories as in eat stuff you like ...take the injects andconsistanly take them ...and train heavy and good ,,this iswhat creates physiqes of bodybuild friends
gh15 approved
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yes,, and TRENBOLONA ISalso the answer to veins poping out all over,, small ,, medium ,, big,, you will haveso much veins on the inner biceps andtheywill pop more and more every few days...only thing you wil have to do is EAT enough calories as in eat stuff you like ...take the injects andconsistanly take them ...and train heavy and good ,,this iswhat creates physiqes of bodybuild friends
gh15 approved
should i stay away from tren since my vascularity is disgusting without it?
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I worked out for nearly 10 years without any "assistance" ~ when I finally did my first cycle of Test and AD-50 I blew up and added around 30 lbs.
When I stopped the cycle, I kept on working out hard and eating right. I always felt that I had kept at least 12-15 of the steroid-induced gains, but the fact of the matter is; I worked out much harder while I was juicing. Very much more intense. The gains I managed to make were solid. Granted, they were not ALL solid, but I did everything under the sun to keep my Test levels high and my gym motivation high.
I ate cleaner and worked out even harder.
It all depends on how you go about it. If you have a fire under your ass, and you know how to keep it lit, you may be able to make some extra gains from a good solid cycle. This is not easy to do. It's much easier just to chill and stay limp.
This is why I believe that there were so many steroids "back in the day" that supposedly gave more "solid" gains. It wasn't that the gains were more subtle, it was that the bodybuilder was actually utilizing the steroid to give him an edge.
There is so much controversy over this topic, and none of which has truly been studied. Each to his own. My physique transformed permanently after my first cycle, but hey, that's just one mans' opinion.
Gh say's differently. I can't prove shit except with pics.
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should i stay away from tren since my vascularity is disgusting without it?
no,, vascularity is also genetic predisposition ,, soem just have more veins than others...everyone can bring them out but some just have more visible veins than others,,the reason trenbolona cauz more veins is becaus it thin the layer of skin,, the lean muscle grow the bodyfat between skin and muscle reduced so veins pop from under the skin especialy when water and fat reduced...
in yuor case since you hav already tons of veins and skin is good...it wil just make the veins mroe visible ,, which wont make much diff because rtrhey aree already very visible ,, so with you the lean muscle will increase and bodyfat decrease while vein remain more or less same as always with little more pop to the at any given moment with out you flexing
gh15 approved
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I worked out for nearly 10 years without any "assistance" ~ when I finally did my first cycle of Test and AD-50 I blew up and added around 30 lbs.
When I stopped the cycle, I kept on working out hard and eating right. I always felt that I had kept at least 12-15 of the steroid-induced gains, but the fact of the matter is; I worked out much harder while I was juicing. Very much more intense. The gains I managed to make were solid. Granted, they were not ALL solid, but I did everything under the sun to keep my Test levels high and my gym motivation high.
I work out way harder when I am not on drugs haha
drugs make me feel so lethargic
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no,, vascularity is also genetic predisposition ,, soem just have more veins than others...everyone can bring them out but some just have more visible veins than others,,the reason trenbolona cauz more veins is becaus it thin the layer of skin,, the lean muscle grow the bodyfat between skin and muscle reduced so veins pop from under the skin especialy when water and fat reduced...
in yuor case since you hav already tons of veins and skin is good...it wil just make the veins mroe visible ,, which wont make much diff because rtrhey aree already very visible ,, so with you the lean muscle will increase and bodyfat decrease while vein remain more or less same as always with little more pop to the at any given moment with out you flexing
gh15 approved
thanx, i actually think i created my vascularity through decades of extremely hard posing, focusing on forcing the veins out. they would actually hurt i could push so much blood into them. i was quite vascular before i did steroids.
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you cant friend,, eating clean = you reduce size....gains wont be kept,, your body slowly will get back to higher bodyfat water retnetion and lsoe lean muscle slowly....even if you eat 10 tmies a day clean wont help ....the problem is when you eat clean yuor body will lack the rich calorie food that build lean size on specific drugs,, what will happen to you is this...
from 210lb 6% yuo will become 195lb fella 10% and pretty damn fast as in a month or 2 friend,,this is what happen when you eat clean and maintain 100% bodybuild life and fight a world war 3 to keep gains after you stop hormones,, yuo only lose 15 lb of lean muscle within 2 months lol
gh15 approved
Better than nothing I guess. ;D ;)
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LMAO I laugh out loud when people in the gym tell me "yeah, I kept all my gains from my cycle"
You mean, those fatceps of yours? You're proud of that shit!? HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You will revert down to a shadow of yourself. Your ego will be crushed. Regular phaggots will think you look great, but you will feel a great deal of shame and disappointment. You can look "good" off drugs, but you will never look "GREAT". Don't forget this.
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I'm maintaining your mom with drugs.... hahahahaha
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LMAO I laugh out loud when people in the gym tell me "yeah, I kept all my gains from my cycle"
You mean, those fatceps of yours? You're proud of that shit!? HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You will revert down to a shadow of yourself. Your ego will be crushed. Regular phaggots will think you look great, but you will feel a great deal of shame and disappointment. You can look "good" off drugs, but you will never look "GREAT". Don't forget this.
I've been pretty shredded completely off. The size was missing. I don't know if I would say you can't look "GREAT" ~ you just can't look huge and cut. If this is the definition of "GREAT" then so be it.
If you have to feel a great deal of shame and disappointment, you probably shouldn't juice in the first place, otherwise you are asking for mental problems coping in the future.
You should get to where you feel you have done all you can do naturally, accept it, regard it as "great" and then when you do make the decision to juice, realize that you can still look "great"
I've seen to many people end up on recreational drugs, alcohol and SSRI's (anti-depressants) because they started right off the bat with juice and when they did quit, they went back to their former selves. You must build a natural base, and this my friends takes time and patience and persistence/commitment...
Everyone wants everything yesterday. The old adage is true; " Good things come to those who wait"
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I think you can maintain maybe 10-15 lb over your natty max if done right.
Once i have hit my goals, i will probabaly get some quality Var, equipoise and low dose gh and just up my muscle quality and dry mass. Given the way i maintain naturally regardless of diet and with gaps in training, i think i could maintain a fair bit from cycle.
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You could always run real low doses instead of what you are accustomed to...
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possibly
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I think you can maintain maybe 10-15 lb over your natty max if done right.
Once i have hit my goals, i will probabaly get some quality Var, equipoise and low dose gh and just up my muscle quality and dry mass. Given the way i maintain naturally regardless of diet and with gaps in training, i think i could maintain a fair bit from cycle.
cant get dry mass with equipona,, gh also wont do the job in regard to the dry mass unles in combo ,, the only product who bring drymass to bodybuild is trenbolona ace....yes anavar will bring soem stifness and over all itwill harden you A LITTLE ,, but only thing that let you eat free and bring up the hard muscle is a drug by the name of trenbolona ace...this drug is the only drug that maintained modern bodybuild in shape
this drug maybe is the most important drug in history of bodybuild
gh15 approved
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This is why you always build the natural base first, or you shrink down to tom prince\mustufa whatever size
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Yes you can maintain your physique built on drugs, but it depends on what physique you built and what and how you used your drugs.
Two scenarios:
A: Typical BB'er. You take large amounts of gear on regular to long cycles and increase your bodyweight significantly, when you come off you will loose a significant amount of muscle mass. In addition to this depending on how much you have suppressed your htpa and good or bad your pct is, you may end up in a worse condition than when you started!!
B: You take moederate amounts of non aromatising aas, oxandrolone, primabolan, turinabol, winstrol. You gain a small amount of muscle, and cause a shift in your overall body composition, reducing visceral fat, abdominal fat etc. cycling in short cycles on 2 week on/3 weeks off athlete cycles. It possible not to impact your htpa to the same extent and post cycle you will maintain most of the muscle and the alterations in body compostion.
both a andb will cause muscle loss only one will be faster due to you losing water weight in record time...and the other one will be slower since you wont have the water weight to lose to the levelof the other...you will just have smaller amount of water and you then go staight to the muscle...
both a and b you will lose muscle no mater what,,
go off hormones following thign happen ....
lean muscle start going down slowlllly,, while water and fat start going up pretty fast,,
it is a matter of 3 months to not recognize philsulina as mr o ...90 days clean and he look like he could sing with mnm a rap song abotu donuts
gh15 approved
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no,, not possible,, physiqe build on hormones will go away moment you stp the hormones,, it will go away slow...will tkae couple months for the begginingof full and utter crush into the old you only heavier and more estrogenic lol
even physiqe that is not built on hormones is not possibel to maintain unlessyou train and everything ison point,,
body want omeostasis,, it want to be happy and flabby ,, this iswhat body wants,, you can work hard for the money and carrylower bodyfat... do construction or god know what..butin the end of the day,,body want to be 15-20% bodyfat with some at the 12-15% and some at the 18-22%
over that is obesity and its health problems sometimes related to genetic or just from sitting on ass being lazy and eating fato food all day
the answer to the question is a definite no
gh15 approved
Good post. Quadzilla Approved!
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cant get dry mass with equipona,, gh also wont do the job in regard to the dry mass unles in combo ,, the only product who bring drymass to bodybuild is trenbolona ace....yes anavar will bring soem stifness and over all itwill harden you A LITTLE ,, but only thing that let you eat free and bring up the hard muscle is a drug by the name of trenbolona ace...this drug is the only drug that maintained modern bodybuild in shape
this drug maybe is the most important drug in history of bodybuild
gh15 approved
I'm lean to begin with, i walk around at 6% because of my metabolism. Do you think that the tren is really needed? I have a really good base and i im not looking to bulk but to just harden and add additional fullness. I am pretty much a hyper responder to all drugs medicine and i dont really want to go down the tren route tbh. I thin var, equipoise, primo and the like could do the job, no?
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I work out way harder when I am not on drugs haha
drugs make me feel so lethargic
haha me too man..when I got off people said youre into amphetamines now? haha I got "thinner" but the workouts were epic.
gh15, what brands of tren do you recommend? except strango..
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Ask Tom Prince, Titus, Dorian (he still trains), etc.
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Must be so many fuckin weak willed people on here i tell ya.I done 4 cycles about 5 years ago back to back ( yes i was a bit young n dumb ), but at this moment in time being off for 5 years im stronger than i was then.Id probably say physique wise most people will 'shrink', but i have bigger arms and chest than i did back then.( im a sucker for having a spot on diet everyday, and ive measured bodyparts/weighed myself over the years)I train my ass off with a trainin partner every single time we hit the gym.Theres never any slacking or non motivation. I think thats the key in all this.
I only did 10 week cycles mind you, i dont know if people on here are talking staying on for long periods or what, but i can say i look alot better now than i did before i juiced
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it is a matter of 3 months to not recognize philsulina as mr o ...90 days clean and he look like he could sing with mnm a rap song abotu donuts
Who is Mr. O if everyone was clean for 90 days? I think Kai would be the winner.
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Must be so many fuckin weak willed people on here i tell ya.I done 4 cycles about 5 years ago back to back ( yes i was a bit young n dumb ), but at this moment in time being off for 5 years im stronger than i was then.Id probably say physique wise most people will 'shrink', but i have bigger arms and chest than i did back then.( im a sucker for having a spot on diet everyday, and ive measured bodyparts/weighed myself over the years)I train my ass off with a trainin partner every single time we hit the gym.Theres never any slacking or non motivation. I think thats the key in all this.
I only did 10 week cycles mind you, i dont know if people on here are talking staying on for long periods or what, but i can say i look alot better now than i did before i juiced
Do u have some comparisson pics?
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Do u have some comparisson pics?
Do i need comparison pics? I actually do, as ive had pics taken over the years from the first week i started lifting at 16.Theyre polaroids and theyre not getting scanned on so unlucky.
I dont need to prove anything to random people over the internet when i get comments from everyone i know or meet.Wether you believe me or not anyway i couldnt give a fuck.Its not my fault most people dont know how to gain strength or muscle
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both a andb will cause muscle loss only one will be faster due to you losing water weight in record time...and the other one will be slower since you wont have the water weight to lose to the levelof the other...you will just have smaller amount of water and you then go staight to the muscle...
both a and b you will lose muscle no mater what,,
go off hormones following thign happen ....
lean muscle start going down slowlllly,, while water and fat start going up pretty fast,,
it is a matter of 3 months to not recognize philsulina as mr o ...90 days clean and he look like he could sing with mnm a rap song abotu donuts
gh15 approved
Well Crud, I was starting to look into testosterone (hormone replacement therapy) and lighter compounds thinking as I get older why not look and feel better. Especially if I get to move to a country where AAS is legal. But if you have to be on all the time and whenever you come off you loose what you gained then that sucks. I don't want to end up in worse shape after with less muscle, more fat, higher water, etc. :-\
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There are a lot of variables here.
There are *right* ways to do things and *wrong* ways to do things.
If you do things the *right* way in the first place, you can still look good after. The same? No. But don't think that you can't look good and also far better than the average male.
Don't be so damned worried about it. This is where your problem is already beginning.
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drug physique needs drugs to sustain
natty physique needs diet/training consistency to sustain
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There are a lot of variables here.
There are *right* ways to do things and *wrong* ways to do things.
If you do things the *right* way in the first place, you can still look good after. The same? No. But don't think that you can't look good and also far better than the average male.
Don't be so damned worried about it. This is where your problem is already beginning.
This exactly.I never said when i cycled that i had the greatest diet or training routine, whereas now i have what works for me sorted, soas dyslexic said, there are lots of variables.For people to claim im bullshitting, they obviously have no grasp of that.
Im sick of seeing thread about people worried about how to 'keep gains' lol Just fuckin train hard and itll take care of itself