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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on October 05, 2011, 02:20:56 AM
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Fck me, I can not believe I am going through this.
During the mid weeks of my prep I was drinking 2-3 whey isolate shakes per day with 1/2 cup oats mixed in. I was doing great, hadn't had a protein shake in several years and was really happy to be doing so well after adding in the isolate.
So, I lost my job, I got greedy, I bought a cheap "blended protein" from a nutrition store I will not name...It's got concentrate isolate and potassium casseinate. never again!!! Right away I started with the gas, loud hot obnoxious gas that burns red hot on the way out. Right from the first shake! I spend $60 on the stuff so I have been forcing myself to drink it but damn, the water weight is insane!!! I am not even sure I'm still losing bodyfat. Cut back to 2 shakes a day and my farts rip through my sheets at night like a hot hairdryer was shoved up my ass. My abs are washed out, I feel soft like a woman.
Wtf is this shit??? Who the hell drinks this stuff and doesn't notice how awful it makes you feel? Never again!! Sticking with isolate straight up.
I didn't listen to Gh15 and got what I deserve...so shitty...
What isolate does everyone like these days? Is isopure still great? Or is there better I can buy at vitamin shoppe or gnc?
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who drinks "protein powders" anyway..unless its for free.
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who drinks "protein powders" anyway..unless its for free.
Seemed convenient...I still want to go back to isolate.
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although i always bought a lot of these powders i came to the conclusion it doesnt matter if your not taking them. its a scam.
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although i always bought a lot of these powders i came to the conclusion it doesnt matter if your not taking them. its a scam.
They are convenient though Mars, like when you have nothing else to eat. I think protein powders are great for their convenience.
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Why do you not want to say the name of the Protein and brand? If it's a shitty product you should let people know.
I think meal replacement drinks are useful. Sometimes you just don't have time to eat. If your choice is skipping a meal or drinking some Up Your Mass or CytoGainer I don't see why not. Most of us don't live an ideal life style conducive to bodybuilding. You gotta do what you gotta do.
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I solely use pure whey concentrate (82%) from MyProtein.co.uk and I've been using it for about two or three years now - I used to use their isolate (95%) version but it was getting too expensive and to be honest I didn't notice a difference when I moved down to using concentrate. It seems to work fine for me so I'm just going to keep using it.
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They are convenient though Mars, like when you have nothing else to eat. I think protein powders are great for their convenience.
i always laugh when people say one brand of protein is good, as if the progress you "make" with it is measureable.
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Isopure or intrapro by gasparinutrition. The only 2 that sit well with me
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although i always bought a lot of these powders i came to the conclusion it doesnt matter if your not taking them. its a scam.
While I agree that the 'claims' made by these companies are outrageous, sometimes its a matter of speed of food intake. Also, not cool to have broccoli and beer can chicken burps when talking to people face to face.
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Fck me, I can not believe I am going through this.
During the mid weeks of my prep I was drinking 2-3 whey isolate shakes per day with 1/2 cup oats mixed in. I was doing great, hadn't had a protein shake in several years and was really happy to be doing so well after adding in the isolate.
So, I lost my job, I got greedy, I bought a cheap "blended protein" from a nutrition store I will not name...It's got concentrate isolate and potassium casseinate. never again!!! Right away I started with the gas, loud hot obnoxious gas that burns red hot on the way out. Right from the first shake! I spend $60 on the stuff so I have been forcing myself to drink it but damn, the water weight is insane!!! I am not even sure I'm still losing bodyfat. Cut back to 2 shakes a day and my farts rip through my sheets at night like a hot hairdryer was shoved up my ass. My abs are washed out, I feel soft like a woman.
Wtf is this shit??? Who the hell drinks this stuff and doesn't notice how awful it makes you feel? Never again!! Sticking with isolate straight up.
I didn't listen to Gh15 and got what I deserve...so shitty...
What isolate does everyone like these days? Is isopure still great? Or is there better I can buy at vitamin shoppe or gnc?
Isopure is fine, especially when you get a 12-pack of Isopure RTDs for $10 as I just did.
It appears you got a brand that didn't have the lactose removed. That may explain the gas and bloating.
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I was really leaning toward getting Isopure, thanks for the input guys.
I know a lot of people read this site, I do not want to say anything negative that might come back to bite me later.
The K caseinate should give it away right away, I have never seen the ingredient elsewhere...
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"drinking 2-3 whey isolate shakes per day with 1/2 cup oats mixed in" = LOL.
Take the shite back to the store for a refund ! fuk grow some balls and grow up and eat normal food.
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i always laugh when people say one brand of protein is good, as if the progress you "make" with it is measureable.
hahaha no joke, those tools are actually associate a protein powders "quality" with taste. So if it tastes like candy, its good. Stupid people.
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hahaha no joke, those tools are actually associate a protein powders "quality" with taste. So if it tastes like candy, its good. Stupid people.
"Are you on the Protein" ?? - fat purma bulker asked me this one time in the gym, he then when on to tell me I needed 250 grams a day.
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hahaha no joke, those tools are actually associate a protein powders "quality" with taste. So if it tastes like candy, its good. Stupid people.
Pretty sure I am just hoping for a protein source that doesn't make me bloat and fart all to hell here haha. Screw taste, I just want something my digestive system agrees with!
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Pretty sure I am just hoping for a protein source that doesn't make me bloat and fart all to hell here haha. Screw taste, I just want something my digestive system agrees with!
return it for a refund, where is it from ShiteMart or some white trash super store ? why would you keep ingesting a poison ? that is what your body is telling you ---> poison.
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AST VP2 is the best isolate that i've used.
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Pretty sure I am just hoping for a protein source that doesn't make me bloat and fart all to hell here haha. Screw taste, I just want something my digestive system agrees with!
There are some pretty good brands ..you just have to do a little research by your own to find out..
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I was really leaning toward getting Isopure, thanks for the input guys.
I know a lot of people read this site, I do not want to say anything negative that might come back to bite me later.
The K caseinate should give it away right away, I have never seen the ingredient elsewhere...
Again, you're probably allergic to caseinate or got a brand with too much lactose.
Do a little shopping at GNC or Vitamin Shoppe and, with a little patience, you can find some IsoPure (or other whey isolate products like ABB's Maxx Recovery) on clearance.
"drinking 2-3 whey isolate shakes per day with 1/2 cup oats mixed in" = LOL.
Take the shite back to the store for a refund ! fuk grow some balls and grow up and eat normal food.
One, oatmeal is normal food.
Two, what makes you think he isn't eating regular food? From where did this stupid notion come that, if you take shakes, you're doing so instead of eating normal food (as oppose to taking them IN ADDITION to eating regular meals)?
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There are some pretty good brands ..you just have to do a little research by your own to find out..
Hold up - are you telling me my stack of cell mass, syntha 6 and no explode is not going to give me steroid like gains?????????
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2 cups flavored yogurt+16 ounces milk+banana=cheap protein shake
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I always look for something that blends easily with water, has no lactose, possibly a mixture of different proteins, a good array of vitamins/minerals and enough BCAA's to surpass what a pill would give.
I will mix a scoop in with a variety of drinks, depending on how I'm feeling.
I have pure egg whites ~ they mix well in almost anything, I have Lactaid, Soy milk and all the greeny drinks that have spinach, brocolli, wheat grass, etc.
If the protein doesn't mix or blend well, I'm not drinking it. You can assume the same thing will happen in your stomach.
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Protein powders are for suckers.
Eat food.
Hope this helps.
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Whey is a commodity and is very expensive to make. Protein powders are the lowest margin item on any supplement companies line, especially isolate as isolate is even more costly to produce.
I recommend drinking egg whites. It really is better for u, it wont blow ur waste line, and its actually real food! It does have high sodium though so keep that in mind.
If you are for some ignorant reason heart set on a protein powder then use All Max Nutritions IsoFLEX or Species ISOLYZE. They both taste awesome, low sodium, and 0 carb, 0 fat. Dave Palumbo actually told me that he has pro's call him directly and order some ISOLYZE for their prep under the table so it doesn't interfere with their sponsorships. He may have just been bullshitting to push his line on me, but we were riding together in his car, and wasn't exactly a situation where he'd be product pitching + he knows I wouldn't spend my money on that.
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Protein powders are for suckers.
Eat food.
Hope this helps.
Protein powders are hardly for suckers. Use them ALONG WITH regular food and you're in business. It's amazing how some people can't grasp that simple concept.
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2 cups flavored yogurt+16 ounces milk+banana=cheap protein shake
If you're lactose intolerant, that's a gastric nightmare.
12 pack of IsoPure for $10, also cheap protein shakes (without the tummy torture).
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Fck me, I can not believe I am going through this.
During the mid weeks of my prep I was drinking 2-3 whey isolate shakes per day with 1/2 cup oats mixed in. I was doing great, hadn't had a protein shake in several years and was really happy to be doing so well after adding in the isolate.
So, I lost my job, I got greedy, I bought a cheap "blended protein" from a nutrition store I will not name...It's got concentrate isolate and potassium casseinate. never again!!! Right away I started with the gas, loud hot obnoxious gas that burns red hot on the way out. Right from the first shake! I spend $60 on the stuff so I have been forcing myself to drink it but damn, the water weight is insane!!! I am not even sure I'm still losing bodyfat. Cut back to 2 shakes a day and my farts rip through my sheets at night like a hot hairdryer was shoved up my ass. My abs are washed out, I feel soft like a woman.
Wtf is this shit??? Who the hell drinks this stuff and doesn't notice how awful it makes you feel? Never again!! Sticking with isolate straight up.
I didn't listen to Gh15 and got what I deserve...so shitty...
What isolate does everyone like these days? Is isopure still great? Or is there better I can buy at vitamin shoppe or gnc?
I cannot believe that a getbigger is buying into the scam of whey protein, you would be better off snacking on almond nuts between meals if you are on the go.
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When it come to proteinpowder, there is only ont thing that matters: T A S T E
Before I was into metrx mrp, but now I found gasparys Myofusion, great taste and texture, jus tlike milkshake, u need 1 teaspoon of extra chocolat powder to make it perfect though!
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I cannot believe that a getbigger is buying into the scam of whey protein, you would be better off snacking on almond nuts between meals if you are on the go.
And whey protein is supposedly a "scam", because.........
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I don't think its too hard to get all your protein from foods - most of us don't need it 6 times a day lol. I find it easy to get in a good portion of protein 3-4 days a day (without drinks), especially because many grocery stores sell prepared meats. For example M&M Meats (not sure if its in the US but I'm sure if not there are many like it) carry "oven roasted chicken breast" and "grilled chicken breast slices" both are cooked but frozen, you just have to microwave them, and they taste better than when I try to cook chicken myself. Moist and flavourful. Why not just microwave something like that instead of mixing a protein drink and worrying about taste, gas, water retention, etc. It also keeps you full longer than liquid drinks.
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I cannot believe that a getbigger is buying into the scam of whey protein, you would be better off snacking on almond nuts between meals if you are on the go.
I agree, but im to tired to make food after my training sesion, its late, and I have to go up early. U dont want to start making food in the middle of the night. For the moment proteindrinks make my life more easy.
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And whey protein is supposedly a "scam", because.........
Because the magazines tell you to drink a ton of whey protein everyday to build muscle, first of all protein is better absorbed from solid food than from supplements. If you are eating 3 or 4 solid meals everyday your body is getting all the protein it needs, so drinking whey protein between meals is putting extra stress on the kidney. the other thing is whey protein is absorbed by the body very fast within 2 hours or so its gone from the body so that is a very expensive way to supply the body with energy and when you use it for energy it cause dehydration which is not good plus whey protein also bloat your abs.
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I agree, but im to tired to make food after my training sesion, its late, and I have to go up early. U dont want to start making food in the middle of the night. For the moment proteindrinks make my life more easy.
Then microwave some of the cooked meats sold at stores like sirloin strips, chicken breast, etc. or drink egg whites like gh15 says :)
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Because the magazines tell you to drink a ton of whey protein everyday to build muscle, first of all protein is better absorbed from solid food than from supplements. If you are eating 3 or 4 solid meals everyday your body is getting all the protein it needs, so drinking whey protein between meals is putting extra stress on the kidney. the other thing is whey protein is absorbed by the body very fast within 2 hours or so its gone from the body so that is a very expensive way to supply the body with energy and when you use it for energy it cause dehydration which is not good plus whey protein also bloat your abs.
One, it's not expensive, if you know where to shop (see my earlier reference to my IsoPure RTDs).
Two, eating 3 to 4 solid meals a day doesn't get the job done.......been there, done that!
It took 3 to 4 solid meals AND 2-3 liquid meals to get me over 200 lbs., back in the day. My kidneys are just fine. High-protein diets only harm kidneys that were messed up from the start.
A scam is something that is advertised to work but doesn't. Whey protein shakes (taken IN ADDITION TO regular meals) are effective. Therefore, it's not a scam.
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its seems like my dad is right in the end, he used to say i dont need all that tons of protein and shakes to build muscle. hes right. its not.
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its seems like my dad is right in the end, he used to say i dont need all that tons of protein and shakes to build muscle. hes right. its not.
Your dad is a wise man..
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lol@ whey protein is a scam. ???
I find it amusing how people don't get the results they're looking for, usually do to a combination of poor genetics, work ethic in the gym, and nutrition, so they fall back on nonsense like all good bodybuilders are simply a product of heavy drug use or in this case whey protein being a waste of money.
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What isolate does everyone like these days? Is isopure still great? Or is there better I can buy at vitamin shoppe or gnc?
Dymatize ISO-100, good taste, lactose free, hydrolysed whey isolate, no bloat
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Dymatize ISO-100, good taste, lactose free, hydrolysed whey isolate, no bloat
The aforementioned ABB Maxx Recovery.
GNC's Whey Isolate 28 is pretty good too (I recommend the Banana kind).
Of course, wait until GNC marks them down.
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One, it's not expensive, if you know where to shop (see my earlier reference to my IsoPure RTDs).
Two, eating 3 to 4 solid meals a day doesn't get the job done.......been there, done that!
It took 3 to 4 solid meals AND 2-3 liquid meals to get me over 200 lbs., back in the day. My kidneys are just fine. High-protein diets only harm kidneys that were messed up from the start.
A scam is something that is advertised to work but doesn't. Whey protein shakes (taken IN ADDITION TO regular meals) are effective. Therefore, it's not a scam.
if you want to remain blind then so be it, now i will state some facts
1. High protein diets put a lot of extra stress on the kidney ask any doctor.
2 High protein diets cause the blood to become very acidic, the body then release calcium bacause of the acidity and this cause kidney stone but this takes many years to happen.
3. when the body takes calcium from the bones because of the acidity this can make the bones weak causing osteoporosis when you are older.
now I had clients who switch from whey protein between meals and these are small meals by the way and snack on almonds instead and in a matter of weeks they had better looking abs.
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if you want to remain blind then so be it, now i will state some facts
1. High protein diets put a lot of extra stress on the kidney ask any doctor.
2 High protein diets cause the blood to become very acidic, the body then release calcium bacause of the acidity and this cause kidney stone but this takes many years to happen.
3. when the body takes calcium from the bones because of the acidity this can make the bones weak causing osteoporosis when you are older.
now I had clients who switch from whey protein between meals and these are small meals by the way and snack on almonds instead and in a matter of weeks they had better looking abs.
1. I asked mine. He said my kidneys are just fine. And, that's usually the case with people who have otherwise normally-functioning kidneys.
2. See #1
3. Ingesting more calcium solves that simple problem. Certain green veggies and other dairy products take care of that.
4. That's hardly news. Many bodybuilders lay off the shakes the last few weeks, while prepping for a show. HOWEVER, when trying to put on mass, they drink them in the off-season.
Regardless, whey protein (or any other protein shakes for that matter) are hardly scam. They are useful and effective, when implemented properly.
And, I'm hardly being "blind", when I've used whey protein (and other protein powders) along with my meals, AND THEY'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE.
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The aforementioned ABB Maxx Recovery.
GNC's Whey Isolate 28 is pretty good too (I recommend the Banana kind).
Of course, wait until GNC marks them down.
I guess guys like you keep GNC and the "supplement industry" in business ::)
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1. I asked mine. He said my kidneys are just fine. And, that's usually the case with people who have otherwise normally-functioning kidneys.
2. See #1
3. Ingesting more calcium solves that simple problem. Certain green veggies and other dairy products take care of that.
4. That's hardly news. Many bodybuilders lay off the shakes the last few weeks, while prepping for a show. HOWEVER, when trying to put on mass, they drink them in the off-season.
Regardless, whey protein (or any other protein shakes for that matter) are hardly scam. They are useful and effective, when implemented properly.
And, I'm hardly being "blind", when I've used whey protein (and other protein powders) along with my meals, AND THEY'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE.
ok since you insist on spending money on protein powder its better if you take casein protein because whey on a empty stomach between meals cause a big spike in your insulin levels and the unstable insulin levels leads to fat rolls, now casein protein does not spike your insulin levels and on top of that it increases your igf-1 levels so its a better choice.
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if you insist on consuming powders aim for the protein with no artificial sweeteners or eat some carbs with your sweetened powder otherwise you're just fucking your brain into thinking that you consumed sugar, goes the same with everything with artificial sweeteners in it
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Still no Brand name of the shitty product?
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Syntrax Nectar, best isolate on the market.
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I guess guys like you keep GNC and the "supplement industry" in business ::)
Yep, guys like me who use products to help them achieve personal goals (purchased at a fraction of retail cost).....SO WHAT!!!
Let me guess!! You're one of those rebels without a cause (or a clue), who goes shaking his fist at GNC stores with a can of tuna in hand, "YOU'LL NEVER GET ME, GNC!!!!"!!
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Agree with McWay in this thread - protein powders are very effective. When I first started out training I couldn't afford protein powders and just relied on protein from solid meals - it was too difficult, time consuming, and impractical to get all my protein requirements from just solids and I barely had any decent results - as soon as I brought whey protein into the equation, my results skyrocketed.
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Your dad is a wise man..
and great ambassador for the sport.
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I was on the Max Muscle website recently and their prices are off the charts. Why??
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i have tried just about every brand of protien over the years,some are just plain crap,the ones i have used that were the best are all the beverly products and labrada lean protien,both are expensive but seem to be highest quality.
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If you're lactose intolerant, that's a gastric nightmare.
12 pack of IsoPure for $10, also cheap protein shakes (without the tummy torture).
Where do u get that price at?
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i have a bridge i d like to sell you...
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Where do u get that price at?
A GNC in a local mall. It was marked down for clearance. $12.49 (plus 20% off with the Gold Card). The RTDs supposedly expire at the end of this month. But, they'll be gone by then.
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Agree with McWay in this thread - protein powders are very effective. When I first started out training I couldn't afford protein powders and just relied on protein from solid meals - it was too difficult, time consuming, and impractical to get all my protein requirements from just solids and I barely had any decent results - as soon as I brought whey protein into the equation, my results skyrocketed.
It's not neccesarily just whey protein. Back when I was in college, I couldn't afford always afford whey protein. So my protein shakes at times were just old-school ones (made of milk and eggs). I often bought GNC Challenge Milk & Egg protein or GNC Soy Protein 95.
I used Mega Mass 2000 back in school. When my gym marked down Prolab's N-Large by 50%, I gave that a try then switched to it long term. It was much easier on my stomach.
3 solid meals and 3 liquid meals helped me bulk up and I finally got over 200 lbs (went home after spring semester at 210, after starting the semester at 189).
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I was on the Max Muscle website recently and their prices are off the charts. Why??
Have you noticed how many Max Muscle stores have down-sized and then closed up shop lately?
They took a big hit from the "economy" (and they were ALREADY over-priced) ~ the only good thing about Max Muscle stores is when you get to know their owners (hint, hint)
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Agree with McWay in this thread - protein powdersthai anabols are very effective. When I first started out training I couldn't afford protein powdersdianabol and just relied on protein from solid meals - it was too difficult, time consuming, and impractical to get all my protein requirements from just solids and I barely had any decent results - as soon as I brought whey proteindianabol into the equation, my results skyrocketed.
I agree man. ;D
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Have you noticed how many Max Muscle stores have down-sized and then closed up shop lately?
They took a big hit from the "economy" (and they were ALREADY over-priced) ~ the only good thing about Max Muscle stores is when you get to know their owners (hint, hint)
Haven't really paid attention to the company until recently while browsing their site. I am not surprised they took a hit. Tubs of protein for $100.00. The EAS days are over, what are they thinking. "Hint, hint" gear or just good prices?
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ok since you insist on spending money on protein powder its better if you take casein protein because whey on a empty stomach between meals cause a big spike in your insulin levels and the unstable insulin levels leads to fat rolls, now casein protein does not spike your insulin levels and on top of that it increases your igf-1 levels so its a better choice.
I always add fiber powder (about 5 grams) and about a tablespoon full of Olive oil to my protein shakes. And how much does a protein spike insulin? Especially when you compare it to fruit juice, sodas, poweraide and other drinks most drink that has sugar. Whey doesn't any sugar. And isn't whey a natural substance? Real food? I mean, it comes from milk. A by product from milk.
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I'm currently sponsered by SSN (A local brand here in South Africa) and SPS (Gary Strydoms line) and I asked the guys that manufacture their products about all this "cheap whey protein" you see on shelves recently. And this is what they had to say...
"Worldwide shortages fuelled by a number of factors not least being increased demand from the East has seen the worlds major dairy protein producers (eg. Hilmar, Glanbia, Fonterra etc) being unable to 100% fulfil manufacturer requirements for dairy proteins such as whey protein for quite some time now. This has seen global wholesale prices to manufacturers like ourselves almost double during the course of 2011. Short term prognosis does not look any better with further price increases expected, this being exasperated here in South Africa by the recent weakening of the Rand to the Dollar. This has resulted in some supplement brands adopting the strategy of "diluting" their "pure" or "100%" whey protein formulas with cheaper ingredients such as maltodextrin. This is achieves two things - 1) It enhances the flavour / taste of the "whey" protein formulation as maltodextrin is a pleasant tasting glucose polymer (I'm sure not too many consumers will be complaining on this count!).......and 2) It allows these brands to still offer very competitively priced "whey" protein products to the consumer (bearing in mind maltodextrin as a raw material costs us manufacturers much less than even one tenth of the cost of whey protein). For the consumer the benefit is a really nice tasting "whey" at a "nice" price.....the compromise being whereas in the past the consumer was paying for and receiving an almost pure (80% or more protein content) protein powder, now these same whey protein products are being "diluted" down to yield a significantly lower protein yield. Meaning the consumer is getting significantly less protein but significantly more carbs per serving than they were previously. At SSN & SPS we have resisted this growing trend as we have always taken pride in placing strong emphasis in the integrity and efficacy of our formulations.....remembe ring too that we are competitive athletes ourselves who use and rely on our own products. However in recent internal discussions we have being questioning whether the consumer puts as much stock into such as we do or whether instead in today's tough economic times, they are happy to settle for a slight compromise in quality for the benefit of improved affordability. Would you be prepared to pay a small premium for a "pure" SSN or SPS whey protein or would you be happy for us too, to cut protein content to yield a cheaper product?"
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I'm currently sponsered by SSN (A local brand here in South Africa) and SPS (Gary Strydoms line) and I asked the guys that manufacture their products about all this "cheap whey protein" you see on shelves recently. And this is what they had to say...
"Worldwide shortages fuelled by a number of factors not least being increased demand from the East has seen the worlds major dairy protein producers (eg. Hilmar, Glanbia, Fonterra etc) being unable to 100% fulfil manufacturer requirements for dairy proteins such as whey protein for quite some time now. This has seen global wholesale prices to manufacturers like ourselves almost double during the course of 2011. Short term prognosis does not look any better with further price increases expected, this being exasperated here in South Africa by the recent weakening of the Rand to the Dollar. This has resulted in some supplement brands adopting the strategy of "diluting" their "pure" or "100%" whey protein formulas with cheaper ingredients such as maltodextrin. This is achieves two things - 1) It enhances the flavour / taste of the "whey" protein formulation as maltodextrin is a pleasant tasting glucose polymer (I'm sure not too many consumers will be complaining on this count!).......and 2) It allows these brands to still offer very competitively priced "whey" protein products to the consumer (bearing in mind maltodextrin as a raw material costs us manufacturers much less than even one tenth of the cost of whey protein). For the consumer the benefit is a really nice tasting "whey" at a "nice" price.....the compromise being whereas in the past the consumer was paying for and receiving an almost pure (80% or more protein content) protein powder, now these same whey protein products are being "diluted" down to yield a significantly lower protein yield. Meaning the consumer is getting significantly less protein but significantly more carbs per serving than they were previously. At SSN & SPS we have resisted this growing trend as we have always taken pride in placing strong emphasis in the integrity and efficacy of our formulations.....remembe ring too that we are competitive athletes ourselves who use and rely on our own products. However in recent internal discussions we have being questioning whether the consumer puts as much stock into such as we do or whether instead in today's tough economic times, they are happy to settle for a slight compromise in quality for the benefit of improved affordability. Would you be prepared to pay a small premium for a "pure" SSN or SPS whey protein or would you be happy for us too, to cut protein content to yield a cheaper product?"
If you say so, "supernatural". ::) ::)
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They need to create Sushi protein powder...
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They need to create Sushi protein powder...
That would be a MRP, or are you talking about the flavor only?
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I'm currently sponsered by SSN (A local brand here in South Africa) and SPS (Gary Strydoms line) and I asked the guys that manufacture their products about all this "cheap whey protein" you see on shelves recently. And this is what they had to say...
"Worldwide shortages fuelled by a number of factors not least being increased demand from the East has seen the worlds major dairy protein producers (eg. Hilmar, Glanbia, Fonterra etc) being unable to 100% fulfil manufacturer requirements for dairy proteins such as whey protein for quite some time now. This has seen global wholesale prices to manufacturers like ourselves almost double during the course of 2011. Short term prognosis does not look any better with further price increases expected, this being exasperated here in South Africa by the recent weakening of the Rand to the Dollar. This has resulted in some supplement brands adopting the strategy of "diluting" their "pure" or "100%" whey protein formulas with cheaper ingredients such as maltodextrin. This is achieves two things - 1) It enhances the flavour / taste of the "whey" protein formulation as maltodextrin is a pleasant tasting glucose polymer (I'm sure not too many consumers will be complaining on this count!).......and 2) It allows these brands to still offer very competitively priced "whey" protein products to the consumer (bearing in mind maltodextrin as a raw material costs us manufacturers much less than even one tenth of the cost of whey protein). For the consumer the benefit is a really nice tasting "whey" at a "nice" price.....the compromise being whereas in the past the consumer was paying for and receiving an almost pure (80% or more protein content) protein powder, now these same whey protein products are being "diluted" down to yield a significantly lower protein yield. Meaning the consumer is getting significantly less protein but significantly more carbs per serving than they were previously. At SSN & SPS we have resisted this growing trend as we have always taken pride in placing strong emphasis in the integrity and efficacy of our formulations.....remembe ring too that we are competitive athletes ourselves who use and rely on our own products. However in recent internal discussions we have being questioning whether the consumer puts as much stock into such as we do or whether instead in today's tough economic times, they are happy to settle for a slight compromise in quality for the benefit of improved affordability. Would you be prepared to pay a small premium for a "pure" SSN or SPS whey protein or would you be happy for us too, to cut protein content to yield a cheaper product?"
I am not as concerned with the ratio of carbs to protein but rather is the label truthful. If it says 20 grams of protein per serving is it really 20 grams? When they say "diluted" what do they mean? Is a diluted 20 grams of protein still 20 grams?
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Yep, guys like me who use products to help them achieve personal goals (purchased at a fraction of retail cost).....SO WHAT!!!
Let me guess!! You're one of those rebels without a cause (or a clue), who goes shaking his fist at GNC stores with a can of tuna in hand, "YOU'LL NEVER GET ME, GNC!!!!"!!
LOL ::) I could care less about your GNC store that you adore so much, when you walk in do the 15 year old sales associates call you by your first name and tell you about the new proteins that just came in ::) when you walk out with your 10 pound tub of crap do you drop your head in shame hoping no one recognizes you ???
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I am not as concerned with the ratio of carbs to protein but rather is the label truthful. If it says 20 grams of protein per serving is it really 20 grams? When they say "diluted" what do they mean? Is a diluted 20 grams of protein still 20 grams?
By law it should be, but if it was the same serving size (eg.30g) it would have to contain less protien (if they are adding in fillers) If they're still truthfully claiming 20g per serving, their serving size would have to be bigger (increase to 40-50g).
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LOL ::) I could care less about your GNC store that you adore so much, when you walk in do the 15 year old sales associates call you by your first name and tell you about the new proteins that just came in ::) when you walk out with your 10 pound tub of crap do you drop your head in shame hoping no one recognizes you ???
First, no 15-year old works in GNC.
Second, I don't care what their age is, as long as they can punch in the clearance price on those orange stickers and scan a Gold Card.
Third, why would I drop my head in shame, having purchased the products I want for up to 80% less than retail price?
Fourth, I "adore" any store where I can get stuff cheap (i.e. Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World, and yes, GNC).
But, keep up your tirades, with your cans of tuna in hand. "I'M HARDCORE!!!" You against the evil supplement world....you'll show them!!! ::)
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First, no 15-year old works in GNC.
Second, I don't care what their age is, as long as they can punch in the clearance price on those orange stickers and scan a Gold Card.
Third, why would I drop my head in shame, having purchased the products I want for up to 80% less than retail price?
Fourth, I "adore" any store where I can get stuff cheap (i.e. Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World, and yes, GNC).
But, keep up your tirades, with your cans of tuna in hand. "I'M HARDCORE!!!" You against the evil supplement world....you'll show them!!! ::)
80% of Crap still = crap ::)
You are the minority here, still buying "Supplements" and "believing" that you must have them or you may fall into a "catabolic state" ::)
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80% of Crap still = crap ::)
You are the minority here, still buying "Supplements" and "believing" that you must have them or you may fall into a "catabolic state" ::)
Wrong!
YOU are in the minority here, thinking that you the anti-supplement company rebel. You know the real scoop; you're "hardcore" ::) .
You and your delusions, against the evil supplement world. "They'll never get me!!", clutching your tuna cans in furious anger and spite.
I guess I'll have to tell my muscles that they need to shrink now, because a GetBig rebel without a clue claims the extra protein I've been feeding them is "crap".
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Wrong!
YOU are in the minority here, thinking that you the anti-supplement company rebel. You know the real scoop; you're "hardcore" ::) .
You and your delusions, against the evil supplement world. "They'll never get me!!", clutching your tuna cans in furious anger and spite.
I guess I'll have to tell my muscles that they need to shrink now, because a GetBig rebel without a clue claims the extra protein I've been feeding them is "crap".
I guess you are not able to read the replies from others in this thread ?? now go drink your protein and your Creatine and gobble your pills whilst reading your favourite Muscle Magazine that you read religiously ::) and defend the "supplement industry" to all those that dare eat normal food you FOOL :-*
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I guess you are not able to read the replies from others in this thread ?? now go drink your protein and your Creatine and gobble your pills whilst reading your favourite Muscle Magazine that you read religiously ::) and defend the "supplement industry" to all those that dare eat normal food you FOOL :-*
I've read these replies and those on threads, when this topic has been dredged up, time and time again.
And, because your "Hooked on Phonics" discs have yet to arrive, you have yet to digest the simple fact that I'm not making this a "food vs. supplement" deal. I've said from the start that supplements offer little, if your diet is garbage.
They're called SUPPLEMENTS for a reason, genius. You use them IN ADDITION TO regular food. At no time did I say to use supplements instead of food.
I ate lots of regular food to help me gain size, back in the day. When I stalled, I continued to do that AND ADDED supplements (like protein powder) to get bigger. And, surprise, SURPRISE....it worked.
The "supplement industry"? Just as I thought...rebel without a clue, trying to stick to those evil companies, with the vulcan death grip on your cans of Star-Kist, shaking your fists.
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Pretty sure I am just hoping for a protein source that doesn't make me bloat and fart all to hell here haha. Screw taste, I just want something my digestive system agrees with!
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WHY don't you try 6 raw eggs in a glass swallowed with about 6 digestive enzyme tablets?? That's what I've been doing for a month now, with fantastic results!!!
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I've read these replies and those on threads, when this topic has been dredged up, time and time again.
And, because your "Hooked on Phonics" discs have yet to arrive, you have yet to digest the simple fact that I'm not making this a "food vs. supplement" deal. I've said from the start that supplements offer little, if your diet is garbage.
They're called SUPPLEMENTS for a reason, genius. You use them IN ADDITION TO regular food. At no time did I say to use supplements instead of food.
I ate lots of regular food to help me gain size, back in the day. When I stalled, I continued to do that AND ADDED supplements (like protein powder) to get bigger. And, surprise, SURPRISE....it worked.
The "supplement industry"? Just as I thought...rebel without a clue, trying to stick to those evil companies, with the vulcan death grip on your cans of Star-Kist, shaking your fists.
LOL - what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ? lots of use want to know so we can rush off to GNC and purchase them and be on our way to building a better us ::) just like you have :-*
Was it the special chocolate whey isolate and the NO plasma jell for pre-workout ? and the inter workout dose of BCAA's, followed by the post workout shake of just the right amount of simple/complex carbs and whey ?? I bet it was :o
then just before bed the ZMA/protein Casein combo to promote test and keep your nitrogen balance in check, and at 3:30 am the special chocolate whey isolate to up regulate your nitrogen ::)
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WHY don't you try 6 raw eggs in a glass swallowed with about 6 digestive enzyme tablets?? That's what I've been doing for a month now, with fantastic results!!!
I've been there and done that, only the eggs were mixed with milk (no enzyme tablets).
Nowadays, with the ability to get IsoPure and other RTDs fairly cheap, that's is no longer necessary.
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protein powder is economical, plain and simple. $$$ per gram.. just about the cheapest source you can find anywhere. i eat 3 meals per day and two of them are 60-80 gram whey protein shakes.
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I've been there and done that, only the eggs were mixed with milk (no enzyme tablets).
Nowadays, with the ability to get IsoPure and other RTDs fairly cheap, that's is no longer necessary.
what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ?
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LOL - what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ? lots of use want to know so we can rush off to GNC and purchase them and be on our way to building a better us ::) just like you have :-*
Was it the special chocolate whey isolate and the NO plasma jell for pre-workout ? and the inter workout dose of BCAA's, followed by the post workout shake of just the right amount of simple/complex carbs and whey ?? I bet it was :o
then just before bed the ZMA/protein Casein combo to promote test and keep your nitrogen balance in check, and at 3:30 am the special chocolate whey isolate to up regulate your nitrogen ::)
Never heard of NO Plasma gel. I've only tried ZMA twice (and that was because it on sale for $3).
You're still waiting for the Phonics disks, because I've said several times that the bulk of the supplements I purchased are protein powders of some kind.
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%.
This is the part where you and your anti-establishment crew yap about how you made far better gains eating bland tuna, from a can you opened with a mechanical can opener.
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Never heard of NO Plasma gel. I've only tried ZMA twice (and that was because it on sale for $3).
You're still waiting for the Phonics disks, because I've said several times that the bulk of the supplements I purchased are protein powders of some kind.
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%.
This is the part where you and your anti-establishment crew yap about how you made far better gains eating bland tuna, from a can you opened with a mechanical can opener.
So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ? so someone who has 144 pounds of lean muscle mass would only have 115 pounds of lean muscle mass if they ate only normal food with no Protein Powders ?? WOW :'( ::) tell me you have an account @ BodyBuildingdotCom right ::) and post threads on debates such as Goat whey verses Cow Whey at the molecule level :-\
But wait I do see some legitimate literature as published by LA Muscle that backs you up ::)
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So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ? so someone who has 144 pounds of lean muscle mass would only have 115 pounds of lean muscle mass if they ate only normal food with no Protein Powders ?? WOW :'( ::) tell me you have an account @ BodyBuildingdotCom right ::) and post threads on debates such as Goat whey verses Cow Whey at the molecule level :-\
I haven't weighed 144 lbs. since high school.
Please get those "Hooked on Phonics" lessons. When did you ever hear me say that someone would have 20% less muscle mass if they only ate regular food?
As far as my own physique goes, I gave that number for a reason. I go back to about 15 years ago in college. I put on 21 lbs one semester (I'd say about 60-65% muscle). Six meals per day: half solid, half liquid. Given my schedule, it was far simpler and more effective to drink those extra meals than it was to eat, especially considering my caloric content was around the 5000 mark.
And, no, I don't have an account at Bodybuilding.com. I don't need it. There's nothing I need to buy there that I can't get far cheaper (via clearance sales) at the aforementioned sports nutrition stores.
As for your tack-on flap about LA Whey, I don't need that, either. I already have my IsoPure, and it only costs me $10 for a pack of 12. (That's $0.83 a piece, in case your math is as bad as your reading).
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I haven't weighed 144 lbs. since high school.
Please get those "Hooked on Phonics" lessons. When did you ever hear me say that someone would have 20% less muscle mass if they only ate regular food?
As far as my own physique goes, I gave that number for a reason. I go back to about 15 years ago in college. I put on 21 lbs one semester (I'd say about 60-65% muscle). Six meals per day: half solid, half liquid. Given my schedule, it was far simpler and more effective to drink those extra meals than it was to eat, especially considering my caloric content was around the 5000 mark.
And, no, I don't have an account at Bodybuilding.com. I don't need it. There's nothing I need to buy there that I can't get far cheaper (via clearance sales) at the aforementioned sports nutrition stores.
Quote from: MCWAY on Today at 02:33:34 PM:
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%
Do you not know what LEAN muscle mass is ??? it does not mean what you weigh when you get on the scale Dim Witt ::)
lean muscle mass of 144 lbs would mean walking around weight of obviously more ::)
Quote from: MCWAY
As for your tack-on flap about LA Whey, I don't need that, either. I already have my IsoPure, and it only costs me $10 for a pack of 12. (That's $0.83 a piece, in case your math is as bad as your reading).
LOL I bet the IsoPure increases muscle nitrogen uptake by 10010101 % right sucker :-*
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Quote from: MCWAY on Today at 02:33:34 PM:
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%
Do you not know what LEAN muscle mass is ??? it does not mean what you weigh when you get on the scale Dim Witt ::)
lean muscle mass of 144 lbs would mean walking around weight of obviously more ::)
IsoPure ::)
Do you not know what "Rough guess" means?
Unless you're a bantamweight competitor, few people care if you have 144 lbs of lean mass.
And, Yes, I do use IsoPure (when I can get it cheap). But, I know, you only eat real food. That makes you Mr. Hardcore. "Tuna, 'till I die!!!!" ::)
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Quote from: MCWAY on Today at 02:33:34 PM:
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%
Do you not know what LEAN muscle mass is ??? it does not mean what you weigh when you get on the scale Dim Witt ::)
lean muscle mass of 144 lbs would mean walking around weight of obviously more ::)
Quote from: MCWAY
As for your tack-on flap about LA Whey, I don't need that, either. I already have my IsoPure, and it only costs me $10 for a pack of 12. (That's $0.83 a piece, in case your math is as bad as your reading).
LOL I bet the IsoPure increases muscle nitrogen uptake by 10010101 % right sucker :-*
Each drink is $0.83 a piece with 40 grams of protein. That's cheaper than 6 XL eggs and more convenient. That's why I got them.
But, why let economics stand in the way. Keep downing your tuna, opening it with your manual can opener and raging against the machine.
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Do you not know what "Rough guess" means?
Unless you're a bantamweight competitor, few people care if you have 144 lbs of lean mass.
And, Yes, I do use IsoPure (when I can get it cheap). But, I know, you only eat real food. That makes you Mr. Hardcore. "Tuna, 'till I die!!!!" ::)
Built on IsoPure ::) LOL you dim witted sucker :-* I guess you eat dry chicken breast and eat Tuna from the can to ::)
Roughly 20% of lean muscle directly resulting from Protein Powders is absurd, you and the teens keep rushing into the locker room and guzzling down that post workout IsoPure shake as the Anabolic Window Is Serious Business ::)
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Built on IsoPure ::) LOL you dim witted sucker :-* I guess you eat dry chicken breast and eat Tuna from the can to ::)
Dead wrong on both counts. I haven't had chicken breasts in nearly two months, and when I do eat them it's hardly dry. Curry or garlic-flavored is my preference.
And, I'm not built on IsoPure. I buy them on occasion when they are marked down; and I used them IN ADDITION to the regular food that I eat.
Are you really this incapable of reading? I've only mentioned this at least three times.
Roughly 20% of lean muscle directly resulting from Protein Powders is absurd, you and the teens keep rushing into the locker room and guzzling down that post workout IsoPure shake as the Anabolic Window Is Serious Business ::)
My shakes aren't going anywhere. Why rush? I simply drink one on the way home to eat (that's right, EAT!!!).
And your issue of drinking an IsoPure RTD that cost $0.83 post-workout would be......(other than your rebel-without-a-clue-"Me-Hardcore-Me-not-drink-shakes" caveman spiel)?
Edit - OK! I did eat tuna out of the can Tuesday. But, that was only because I didn't pack my breakfast in my gym bag. So, I hit the convenience store and bought a can.
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Dead wrong on both counts. I haven't had chicken breasts in nearly two months, and when I do eat them it's hardly dry. Curry or garlic-flavored is my preference.
And, I'm not built on IsoPure. I buy them on occasion when they are marked down; and I used them IN ADDITION to the regular food that I eat.
Are you really this incapable of reading? I've only mentioned this at least three times.
My shakes aren't going anywhere. Why rush? I simply drink one on the way home to eat (that's right, EAT!!!).
And your issue of drinking an IsoPure RTD that cost $0.83 post-workout would be......(other than your rebel-without-a-clue-"Me-Hardcore-Me-not-drink-shakes" caveman spiel)?
LOL - drinking your IsoPure RTD in the car after your workout, fuking classic ! leaving no chances on maximising the affects of the famous Anabolic Window ::) from an aluminium can of liquid crap ::)
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LOL - drinking your IsoPure RTD in the car after your workout, fuking classic ! leaving no chances on maximising the affects of the famous Anabolic Window ::) from an aluminium can of liquid crap ::)
IsoPure are in glass bottles, genius.
And, you've ducked the question, in your feeble attempt to appear witty.
And your issue of drinking an IsoPure RTD that cost $0.83 post-workout would be......(other than your rebel-without-a-clue-"Me-Hardcore-Me-not-drink-shakes" caveman spiel)?
I'm doing what I did back in the day. The only difference is that since I drive home, I don't hit the pool anymore (as doing so makes me drowsy); so I have my shake sooner. In college, when I didn't have a car, I could take the bus back to campus and fall asleep on the way back (a 40-minute ride). After hitting the pool and jacuzzi for about 30 minutes, I'd get my stuff and have my shake.
Drink shake, before or while driving home; get home....EAT!!! Nothing compliated about that.
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IsoPure are in glass bottles, genius.
And, you've ducked the question, in your feeble attempt to appear witty.
And your issue of drinking an IsoPure RTD that cost $0.83 post-workout would be......(other than your rebel-without-a-clue-"Me-Hardcore-Me-not-drink-shakes" caveman spiel)?
I'm doing what I did back in the day. The only difference is that since I drive home, I don't hit the pool anymore (as doing so makes me drowsy); so I have my shake sooner. In college, when I didn't have a car, I could take the bus back to campus and fall asleep on the way back (a 40-minute ride). After hitting the pool and jacuzzi for about 30 minutes, I'd get my stuff and have my shake.
Drink shake, before or while driving home; get home....EAT!!! Nothing compliated about that.
It all come back to supplements are worthless, who cares if it cost you 83 cents ?? or even a penny. They are not responsible for building 1% muscle mass, sorry to destroy your dream and that of other teens.
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It all come back to supplements are worthless, who cares if it cost you 83 cents ?? or even a penny. They are not responsible for building 1% muscle mass, sorry to destroy your dream and that of other teens.
One, you haven't destroyed anything, except what little sense you wanted others to think you actually had.
Two, I haven't been a teen in nearly 20 years.
Three, supplements are hardly worthless. They ain't miracle workers. But, they are effective when used properly IN ADDITION to a sound diet and training regime.
So, in addition to being a rebel without a clue, you appear to be some poor soul who ate like garbage and thought supplements would substitute for your crappy diet. When that didn't work, you wailed and, in a fit of rage, vowed to curse all supplement companies with all your silly being.
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One, you haven't destroyed anything, except what little sense you wanted others to think you actually had.
Two, I haven't been a teen in nearly 20 years.
Three, supplements are hardly worthless. They ain't miracle workers. But, they are effective when used properly IN ADDITION to a sound diet and training regime.
So, in addition to being a rebel without a clue, you appear to be some poor soul who ate like garbage and thought supplements would substitute for your crappy diet. When that didn't work, you wailed and, in a fit of rage, vowed to curse all supplement companies with all your silly being.
Enlighten me how supplements make a difference ? which ones other than Protein Powder with your claim with an approximation of a 20 % increasable in pure muscle ? such as you stated - or will you now back peddle on that claim ?
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i take both kinds of supp.and their is nothing you can get over the counter that does what anabolics do,but that aint the point here.here are the over the counter supp. i use and what they do for me.protien powders and rtds= if of real good quality they increase the amount of protien i get and are convenient and isolates absorb faster than any whole food,there are times when you need fast absorption,creatine=weight gainer for sure and possibly a strenth gainer,n.o. i get a better pump cant always afford or get abombs which also cause a hell of a pump,also various vitamins just for immunesystem health,cant train if sick.on the protien subject it goes the same as juice neither will work if bogus and both work better if of a higher quality.a lot of things like bcaas and crap that is suppose to increase your nat.test.i stay clear of.supplements work you just got to know what you are doing.
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Enlighten me how supplements make a difference ? which ones other than Protein Powder with your claim with an approximation of a 20 % increasable in pure muscle ? such as you stated - or will you now back peddle on that claim ?
You don't read very well. I explained it earlier. Adding protein powders to my regular diet allowed me to consume more calories overall and more protein, than I was getting with just plain food (especially given my schedule). End result: More calories, more protein, more size and strength.
Nice try with the bait-and-switch. First you ask about protein powders. Then, you try and ask, "which ones other than protein powders".
I'm not back-pedaling on anything. I gave a rough guess. I stand by my statement. If that doesn't suit your fancy, too bad!!
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You don't read very well. I explained it earlier. Adding protein powders to my regular diet allowed me to consume more calories overall and more protein, than I was getting with just plain food (especially given my schedule). End result: More calories, more protein, more size and strength.
Nice try with the bait-and-switch. First you ask about protein powders. Then, you try and ask, "which ones other than protein powders".
I'm not back-pedaling on anything. I gave a rough guess. I stand by my statement. If that doesn't suit your fancy, too bad!!
Plus it tastes good.
Can't understand all the supplement hate, if you don't like protein powder, don't drink it.
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protein powder is economical, plain and simple. $$$ per gram.. just about the cheapest source you can find anywhere. i eat 3 meals per day and two of them are 60-80 gram whey protein shakes.
Exactly. When people say you save money by eating real food -- not really. The most expensive macro nutrient is protein. For example, here in Hawaii for $40 you get a tub of protein which contains 70 servings at 20 grams of protein per serving. That's less than .60 cents per serving. A can of tuna, considered one of the cheaper sources of protein, and it is, goes for about $1.29 a can which contains 22 grams of protein. Over twice the amount than the protein powder. It's just that with protein powder the initial outlay is much more, 40 bucks, so it seems more expensive. I buy ten cans of tuna it's still only $13.00. So it seems cheaper when it's over twice the cost. It gets more expensive when you compare it to whole eggs, beef, and boneless chicken.
I think these protein powders and meal replacements has it's place. It supplements your regular diet. Sometimes I just don't have the time or the desire to eat breakfast. But a couple of scoops of whey, with a banana, frozen strawberries, a bit of Olive oil, and some fiber powder in a blender really hits the spot. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't eat anything at all.
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ya i cant eat in the morning either. protein powder saves my life
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Exactly. When people say you save money by eating real food -- not really. The most expensive macro nutrient is protein. For example, here in Hawaii for $40 you get a tub of protein which contains 70 servings at 20 grams of protein per serving. That's less than .60 cents per serving. A can of tuna, considered one of the cheaper sources of protein, and it is, goes for about $1.29 a can which contains 22 grams of protein. Over twice the amount than the protein powder. It's just that with protein powder the initial outlay is much more, 40 bucks, so it seems more expensive. I buy ten cans of tuna it's still only $13.00. So it seems cheaper when it's over twice the cost. It gets more expensive when you compare it to whole eggs, beef, and boneless chicken.
I think these protein powders and meal replacements has it's place. It supplements your regular diet. Sometimes I just don't have the time or the desire to eat breakfast. But a couple of scoops of whey, with a banana, frozen strawberries, a bit of Olive oil, and some fiber powder in a blender really hits the spot. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't eat anything at all.
spot on, great post.
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I dont believe what protein powders labels claim..I dont know why, It might be just me.
expensive baby food in my opinion.
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I dont believe what protein powders labels claim..I dont know why, It might be just me.
expensive baby food in my opinion.
It's not expensive, that's the point.
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It's not expensive, that's the point.
How many of those baby food jars do you have to eat to get 20grams of protein?
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How many of those baby food jars do you have to eat to get 20grams of protein?
LOL, a lot.
And baby food is fucking expensive.
Get a good MRP, for example, you can get a lot of calories from it for a very cheap price.
It's called "supplement", people don't seem to understand that you should not take it INSTEAD food, but to complement your current diet.
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It's not expensive, that's the point.
Not expensive and VERY convenient, which is the great advantage in my eyes.
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Not expensive and VERY convenient, which is the great advantage in my eyes.
And it tastes good, can't tell me it doesn't.
If you're a little creative and mix instant coffee or cinnamon into the shake, add a banana or use pineapple juice instead of water or milk, you can make great tasting shakes.
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LOL, a lot.
And baby food is fucking expensive.
Get a good MRP, for example, you can get a lot of calories from it for a very cheap price.
It's called "supplement", people don't seem to understand that you should not take it INSTEAD food, but to complement your current diet.
PRECISELY!! That simple concept is one Board_Sherif can't get through his head.
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Not expensive and VERY convenient, which is the great advantage in my eyes.
Not expensive and very convenient are also the chocolate bars from the grocery store...doesnt make any sense.
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Not expensive and very convenient are also the chocolate bars from the grocery store...doesnt make any sense.
::) ::) ::) ::)
Now it's getting ridiculous.
chocolate bars are full of sugars and fat, as a bodybuilder you would want some protein, not everyone can afford or eat steak all day, protein powder is cheap, convenient and tastes good, what is so hard to understand about this?
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Again Dim Witted MCWAY, you stated "Protein Powders" were directly responsible for approximately 20 % or pure muscle increase for you, secondly you then stated many Supplements are effective - as predicted you know you are a liar and back-peddled when called out to name these Supplements. And your ludicrous claim in regards to "Da Protein" is fuking Sad MR. GNC Boy.
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%.
Three, supplements are hardly worthless. They ain't miracle workers. But, they are effective when used properly IN ADDITION to a sound diet and training regime.
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Again Dim Witted MCWAY, you stated "Protein Powders" were directly responsible for approximately 20 % or pure muscle increase for you, secondly you then stated many Supplements are effective - as predicted you know you are a liar and back-peddled when called out to name these Supplements. And your ludicrous claim in regards to "Da Protein" is fuking Sad MR. GNC Boy.
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%.
Three, supplements are hardly worthless. They ain't miracle workers. But, they are effective when used properly IN ADDITION to a sound diet and training regime.
How many toes do you have left?
You asked me specifically, "So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ?
And, I gave my answer, Einstein.
Furthermore, notwitstanding that you DID NOT call me out to name any of the supplements I used, I named some of them, answering someone else's post. Among them were IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large.
It's on page 3, O myopic one.
Since we're on the subject of protein, you can remove the egg from your face.
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How many toes do you have left?
You asked me specifically, "So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ?
And, I gave my answer, Einstein.
Furthermore, notwitstanding that you DID NOT call me out to name any of the supplements I used, I named some of them, answering someone else's post. Among them were IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large.
It's on page 3, O myopic one.
Since we're on the subject of protein, you can remove the egg from your face.
So Dim Wit you are saying that "IsoPure, Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large" are all worth while supplements to be used to build pure muscle ? and someone who does not use them and instead eats normal food will not have the same gains ::)
Posted by Board_SHERIF: :-*
Enlighten me how supplements make a difference ? which ones other than Protein Powder with your claim with an approximation of a 20 % increasable in pure muscle ? such as you stated - or will you now back peddle on that claim ?
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spot on, great post.
^^
X2!!!
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So Dim Wit you are saying that "IsoPure, Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large" are all worth while supplements to be used to build pure muscle ? and someone who does not use them and instead eats normal food will not have the same gains ::)
I am saying no such thing. No wonder people say reading is fundamental. Otherwise, you get foolishness like this.
Yes, those supplements (although GNC's Challenge Milk and Egg protein isn't around anymore, and there are better gainers now than Mega Mass, which is hard to find except in certain department stores) are worthwhile to help build muscle.
But, No! AT NO TIME did I state that anyone who doesn't use the products I mentioned wouldn't have the same gains, if they ate regular food instead.
What I said was, and perhaps you should get a translator to help you out, is that I used them to help add calories to my already-existing diet. Because of the high amount of calories I needed to grow and the schedule I had in school, DRINKING the extra calories (via protein shakes) was far more effective than trying to eat them.
And, when I've talked about this subject before, I've stated repeatedly that NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, not even steroid users (if you doubt that, look at some of these pros in the offseason).
I also indicated that when I went from 189 to 210 that college semester, I estimated that about 60-65% of my bodyweight was lean muscle mass.
I don't know what part of this is so hard for you to grasp. But, it appears that you are, as stated earlier, some clueless rebel with a bone to pick with supplement companies. Save your tuna-can-clutching rage for someone who cares.
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I am saying no such thing. No wonder people say reading is fundamental. Otherwise, you get foolishness like this.
Yes, those supplements (although GNC's Challenge Milk and Egg protein isn't around anymore, and there are better gainers now than Mega Mass, which is hard to find except in certain department stores) are worthwhile to help build muscle.
But, No! AT NO TIME did I state that anyone who doesn't use the products I mentioned wouldn't have the same gains, if they ate regular food instead.
What I said was, and perhaps you should get a translator to help you out, is that I used them to help add calories to my already-existing diet. Because of the high amount of calories I needed to grow and the schedule I had in school, DRINKING the extra calories (via protein shakes) was far more effective than trying to eat them.
And, when I've talked about this subject before, I've stated repeatedly that NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, not even steroid users (if you doubt that, look at some of these pros in the offseason).
I also indicated that when I went from 189 to 210 that college semester, I estimated that about 60-65% of my bodyweight was lean muscle mass.
I don't know what part of this is so hard for you to grasp. But, it appears that you are, as stated earlier, some clueless rebel with a bone to pick with supplement companies. Save your tuna-can-clutching rage for someone who cares.
Back Peddling yet again ::) How many times have I caught you lying already ?
Give it up, supplements are worthless, your guzzling RTD's and weight gainers etc is pathetic, just eat normal fuking food fool !
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Isopure is fine, especially when you get a 12-pack of Isopure RTDs for $10 as I just did.
It appears you got a brand that didn't have the lactose removed. That may explain the gas and bloating.
12 Isopure packs for $10 is a very good deal..i stopped drinking protein shakes but I would resume at that price for that quality
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Back Peddling yet again ::) How many times have I caught you lying already ?
Answer! Same as the amount of sense in your head.......NONE!!!
For one simple reason. There's no lying involved on my end, just rock-headed rage on yours.
Give it up, supplements are worthless, your guzzling RTD's and weight gainers etc is pathetic, just eat normal fuking food fool !
Earth to Board_Sherif: On sale now...CLUES!!! Go buy a few.
I haven't back-pedaled from JACK. I answer your questions (multiple times, in face) and, with egg splattered on your face, you've resorted to revisionist history.
And for the nth time, O ye of prepetual Alzheimer's disease, those supplements are added to my REGULAR DIET (i.e the salmon and carrots I'm eating as I type this, genius).
Yeah, my weight gainers were so worthless, they helped me put on 21 lbs in 31/2 months, back in school. ::)
Continue your "Me-no-drink-shake-me-hardcore" drivel and make yourself look like a bumbling fool in the process. But, don't do it while I'm eating. I don't want to spit my fish on my monitor, laughing at your utter tomfoolery.
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Answer! Same as the amount of sense in your head.......NONE!!!
For one simple reason. There's no lying involved on my end, just rock-headed rage on yours.
Earth to Board_Sherif: On sale now...CLUES!!! Go buy a few.
I haven't back-pedaled from JACK. I answer your questions (multiple times, in face) and, with egg splattered on your face, you've resorted to revisionist history.
And for the nth time, O ye of prepetual Alzheimer's disease, those supplements are added to my REGULAR DIET (i.e the salmon and carrots I'm eating as I type this, genius).
Yeah, my weight gainers were so worthless, they helped me put on 21 lbs in 31/2 months, back in school. ::)
Continue your "Me-no-drink-shake-me-hardcore" drivel and make yourself look like a bumbling fool in the process. But, don't do it while I'm eating. I don't want to spit my fish on my monitor, laughing at your utter tomfoolery.
Lies from you as below: :-*
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%. ::)
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
Enlighten me how supplements make a difference ? which ones other than Protein Powder with your claim with an approximation of a 20 % increasable in pure muscle ? such as you stated - or will you now back peddle on that claim ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large. ::)
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Lies from you as below: :-*
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
what % of your hard earned muscle do you attribute to Protein Powders and Supplements ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%. ::)
Nice try, genius. But you left off one of YOUR OWN QUOTES:
So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ?
I gave as an example a particular semester in college, in which the supplements I used were either protein powders or weight gainers. It's amazing how woefully clueless and incoherent you can be, not to grasp that.
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
Enlighten me how supplements make a difference ? which ones other than Protein Powder with your claim with an approximation of a 20 % increasable in pure muscle ? such as you stated - or will you now back peddle on that claim ?
Posted by: MCWAY :
IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large. ::)
Once again, Rhodes Scholar, I've explain that multiple times. Yet, since I'm a patient guy, I will explain this to your short-circuited brain one more time.
I needed extra calories, period. My schedule and fast metabolism made it difficult to get those from just regular food. So, I augmented my regular diet with protein shakes (mainly weight gainers). And what a shock!!! ::) It worked.
Sometimes, it's the simplest of things that confound people, or at least people with boneheaded premises like you.
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after Met-Rx from the old days now i use Optimum Nutrition Protein and been happy with it !
i also recently tried dymatize iso 100 and liked it !
for busy work days when i know i cant have time to get a meal i would use Up Yours Mass by MHP been using it since it came out and its not bad for a quick fix but that only once a month or even every 2 month.
im readying about San Platinum Isolate Supreme and it got a pretty good profile as far as i can tell.
one thing i experienced with a lot of protein powders and less food = less thickness.
so i limit my intake to minimum and only when needed.
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Nice try, genius. But you left off one of YOUR OWN QUOTES:
I gave as an example a particular semester in college, in which the supplements I used were either protein powders or weight gainers. It's amazing how woefully clueless and incoherent you can be, not to grasp that.
Once again, Rhodes Scholar, I've explain that multiple times. Yet, since I'm a patient guy, I will explain this to your short-circuited brain one more time.
I needed extra calories, period. My schedule and fast metabolism made it difficult to get those from just regular food. So, I augmented my regular diet with protein shakes (mainly weight gainers). And what a shock!!! ::) It worked.
Sometimes, it's the simplest of things that confound people, or at least people with boneheaded premises like you.
Poor little Dim Witted MCWAY, if you ate normal food instead of "Supplements" you would look the same. Its idiots like you along with Teens that enable stores like GNC to continue to sell useless supplements to the public. Now go read you Muscle and Fitness for some new "proteins" and double check if your GNC card enables you a discount ::)
You have stated there are many worth while supplements: ::)
Posted by: MCWAY :
IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large.
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ?
Your claim that Protein Powder accounted for a 20% increase is lean muscle is absurd ::) as you stated below:
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%
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Still no Brand name of the shitty product?
Maxpro, made by max muscle.
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Poor little Dim Witted MCWAY, if you ate normal food instead of "Supplements" you would look the same. Its idiots like you along with Teens that enable stores like GNC to continue to sell useless supplements to the public. Now go read you Muscle and Fitness for some new "proteins" and double check if your GNC card enables you a discount ::)
So "useless" that I put on 21 lbs in three and a half months. ::)
Those clues are still on sale, since your skull is as empty as your rhetoric. As explained more times than the law allows, I needed higher calories and had neither the time nor the ability to get those extra calories from regular food. So, I added those shakes to my diets and they worked quite well. It's as simple as that.
Therefore, you are free to take your clueless-rebel-"Me-no-like-supplements"-mantra and find a fellow crackpot with whom you can bond in common buffoonery.
You have stated there are many worth while supplements: ::)
Posted by: MCWAY :
IsoPure and (back when I was in college) Mega Mass 2000, Challenge Milk & Egg Protein and Soy Protein 95, and N-Large.
Posted by Board_SHERIF:
So you are saying Protein Powders are directly responsible for 20% of your lean muscle mass ?
Your claim that Protein Powder accounted for a 20% increase is lean muscle is absurd ::) as you stated below:
Posted by: MCWAY :
Percentage of my hard-earned muscle? Rough guess: 20%
I gave you my rough guess. Whether you believe it's absurd or not is hardly a concern of mine.
And what I said was supplements are hardly worthless. They ain't miracle workers, but they are effective when used with a SOUND DIET and training.
Are you really this dumb? Or is this extra effort just for me?
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after Met-Rx from the old days now i use Optimum Nutrition Protein and been happy with it !
i also recently tried dymatize iso 100 and liked it !
for busy work days when i know i cant have time to get a meal i would use Up Yours Mass by MHP been using it since it came out and its not bad for a quick fix but that only once a month or even every 2 month.
im readying about San Platinum Isolate Supreme and it got a pretty good profile as far as i can tell.
one thing i experienced with a lot of protein powders and less food = less thickness.
so i limit my intake to minimum and only when needed.
MET-Rx is too lumpy.
Designer Whey makes a good isolate whey protein. But, it's pricey. Wait until GNC drops it to around $12 or less, before buying it.
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MET-Rx is too lumpy.
Designer Whey makes a good isolate whey protein. But, it's pricey. Wait until GNC drops it to around $12 or less, before buying it.
yes it is ! i was just referring.
but still everytime i see it at GNC i remember the early days and it put a smile on my face !
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