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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TK on October 07, 2011, 10:33:40 PM
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Enjoy being a registered sex offender
A well-known photographer charged with having sex with a 15-year-old girl pleaded guilty Friday to felony unlawful sex and was sentenced to perform 30 days of community service.
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The case became problematic to prosecute said the DA because the victim stopped cooperating and married the defendant when she became of age.
Orange County Superior Court Judge Craig Robison also placed Jason James Ellis on three years of probation, according to court records.
Three felony counts of lewd act on a child, and single felony counts apiece of sexual penetration of a victim younger than 16 by a foreign object, and oral copulation of a person younger than 16, were dismissed today, according to court records.
All charges against Ellis’ former fiancee, Michelle Hecker, were dismissed March 25, according to court records. She was charged in July 2008 as an aider and abetter.
Orange County Deputy District Attorney Andrew Haughton asked that the charges be dismissed because he said in March that he did not have enough evidence to prove his case.
Hecker met the victim, who shared her passion for horseback riding, when she was 14 years old, according to prosecutors who initially alleged she introduced the girl to Ellis to help her with a modeling career.
Between August 2007 and June 2008, Ellis took the girl on dates to the movies and to dinner while kissing and touching her in public, prosecutors alleged when they filed charges against him.
The girl’s parents eventually grew suspicious and hired a private investigator to follow Ellis and their daughter, prosecutors said.
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A 36-year-old magazine photographer pleaded guilty Friday to statutory rape, ending a case involving a girl he was accused of luring into a sexual relationship when she was 14 – and whom he married when she turned 18.
Superior Court Judge Craig Robison sentenced Jason James Ellis, whose work has appeared on the covers of fashion and fitness magazines, to three years probation and 30 days in jail to be served as community service, as part of a plea deal agreed to by the District Attorney's Office.
Ellis was also ordered to register as a sex offender for the period of his probation, prosecutors said.
Five other counts, including three of lewd acts on a child, were dismissed in the interest of justice, the Orange County District Attorney's Office said. He had faced up to seven years in state prison if convicted of the six felonies.
Ellis married the woman Feb. 28 in Laguna Hills – three months after she turned 18, county records show.
"The basis of the disposition and sentence was in the interest of justice and with respect to the victim and the victim's family's wishes in this case," Deputy District Attorney Drew Haughton said. "This case is obviously complicated by the fact the two are married now."
Following the wedding, the victim did not want to cooperate with the prosecution, the District Attorney's Office said..
Ronald Brower, the defense attorney representing Ellis, could not be reached for comment.
The Register is not naming the woman, because she is a victim of a sex crime.
Between August 2007 and June 2008, Jason Ellis, who lives in Corona del Mar, had sex with her when she was 14 and 15 years old, prosecutors said.
Ellis and his then live-in fiancée were accused of luring the girl into a relationship with promises of a lucrative modeling career.
The fiancée, Michelle Hecker, was not charged with having sexual contact with the girl, but she was charged with acting as Ellis' accomplice by picking her up from her parents' house in Laguna Hills, bringing her to him, and then taking her back home.
Charges against Hecker were dismissed in March.
According to prosecutors, the sexual relationship began after Hecker met the girl, an aspiring model, through their shared interest in horseback riding.
Hecker then introduced the girl to Ellis, who promised the teenager he could help her with modeling, prosecutors said.
Beginning in August 2007, Ellis began taking the girl to movies and to dinner, even kissing and touching the teenager in public, prosecutors said.
Hecker helped the relationship along, gaining the trust of the girl's parents enough to where she would pick the teen up from her home in south Orange County under the guise of going horseback riding or on some other outing, according to the original charges.
The girl's parents became suspicious of the relationship and hired a private investigator, who turned over information he had gathered to police.
Ellis initially fled the area after learning he was wanted in the statutory rape case, but was arrested 10 days later.
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balonie macaronie
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parents became suspicious lol, more like parents thought the sex she was having with him wasn't going to take her places aka she loved him. Look up stories about now famous actors when they were on the child actor casting couch, look up the polanski trial, parents always know what's up and often encourage it
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Saw Jason at the Olympia - have lost all respect for this guy, and still is an ass. Fact that he slept with a 14-15 year old, and his ex-fiancee helped him is just not cool. Fact that he got this girl to 'marry' him and thus block the presecutors charges is amazing. I just hope he does care for this girl, and doesnt dump her in a year or two now that the case is done, and he pled guilty to one of the charges.
I hope part of the ruling is as a registered sex offender, he stays aways from school and anyone under 18.
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maybe it was a hot 15 year old
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I had sex with a 34 year old cubana yesterday and I'm 23 :-\
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Saw Jason at the Olympia - have lost all respect for this guy, and still is an ass. Fact that he slept with a 14-15 year old, and his ex-fiancee helped him is just not cool. Fact that he got this girl to 'marry' him and thus block the presecutors charges is amazing. I just hope he does care for this girl, and doesnt dump her in a year or two now that the case is done, and he pled guilty to one of the charges.
I hope part of the ruling is as a registered sex offender, he stays aways from school and anyone under 18.
He is but only until the end of his probation and then its cleared
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I had sex with a 34 year old cubana yesterday and I'm 23 :-\
Rico the pool boy?
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i heard that he is very arrogant. never personally met him but what he did WAS wrong.
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You got to give the man his props. He bangs a fourteen year old, gets away with it, is married to an eighteen year old, and will be clean as a whistle in three years. Plus the dude is built. Props.
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maybe it was a hot 15 year old
With the body of a 16 year old.
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Saw Jason at the Olympia - have lost all respect for this guy, and still is an ass. Fact that he slept with a 14-15 year old, and his ex-fiancee helped him is just not cool. Fact that he got this girl to 'marry' him and thus block the presecutors charges is amazing. I just hope he does care for this girl, and doesnt dump her in a year or two now that the case is done, and he pled guilty to one of the charges.
I hope part of the ruling is as a registered sex offender, he stays aways from school and anyone under 18.
really bro
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horseback riding lol what a loser :D :D
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he got off easy
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From the O
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parents became suspicious lol, more like parents thought the sex she was having with him wasn't going to take her places aka she loved him. Look up stories about now famous actors when they were on the child actor casting couch, look up the polanski trial, parents always know what's up and often encourage it
true. They thought she could become a "model" and make tons of money... but when it turned out it would go nowehere suddenyl they felt like it was not good for her...it lasted for 4 fucking years...
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he got off easy
Yes, and from the charges too ;D
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R.Kelly is still on the radio, Mike Tyson gets movie cameos, so he should be fine.
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Still working and displaying his name proudly. Seems Heath and Flex Mag have no problem working with him. By today's standards there's nothing particularly scummy about him and nothing particularly innocent about her. Just people using each other for their own narrow self interest. It's the way of the world.
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Interesting observation, PELLIUS, and most likely the way things happen nowadays.
What's the major cause of this change in morals since the 1950's? Is there any one thing that caused it to happen? Hippies, beatniks, drugs, TV, movies, the internet?
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Yes, and from the charges too ;D
hahaha PTPS ;D
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I still don`t see a single thing Jason did wrong.
You are denying him this and you are denying her as well.
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Interesting observation, PELLIUS, and most likely the way things happen nowadays.
What's the major cause of this change in morals since the 1950's? Is there any one thing that caused it to happen? Hippies, beatniks, drugs, TV, movies, the internet?
Without a doubt it was the culture revolution that took place in the late sixties early seventies. It took some time for the hippies to infiltrate our colleges and universities, and politics, so it didn't really start to manifest itself until the late 80's early 90s. The trend was there of course. Slowly gaining momentum but it really started to blossom by the 1990s.
So many bad ideas came out of that movement.
-- Malignant narcissism, the preoccupation of self, the "if it feels good -- do it" mentally. It use to be people thought more of what was good for their community, their country, the world. Now it's just what's good for me.
-- The idea that people are born basically good. This absurd notion is what undermined the importance and the teaching of goodness. After all, if one is born good, it is your natural predisposition, then why teach it? Nobody teaches you how to breath. It's natural. Just do what's natural.
-- The glorification of nature. That if something is natural it must be good. The fact is that most of what we do is to over come nature. The clothes, homes, air conditioning, agriculture, cars, indoor plumbing.... An it also applies to our natural -- our human nature. Part of being a civilized human being is overcoming you natural instinct. A man's natural predisposition is to take what they want rather than work for it. To sleep in and be lazy. To eat as much as you can. To lie when it suits you. To act out on your emotions such as anger leading to violence ....
People are always shocked when I say that men in their natural state are rapist. Without cultural, legal or moral restraints men will rape. And it happens every time when the law breaks down, during times of complete anarchy -- such as during war. During those time it's all raping and pillaging.
-- Tied in to the above is the idea to "go with your heart." To do what's natural. That a person does good because he has a good heart. That his heart determines his actions. Maybe, sometimes, but most times no. It's you actions that determine your heart. Your actions not only define you as a person but molds you as a person. What you do ultimately turns you into what you are. I remember the first time I shop lifted, I was nervous and afraid because I was taught it was wrong. But I did it. And when I did it the second time it was easier. And if I continued to do it it would have gotten easier and easier. But acting like a thief I was transforming myself into a thief. No one starts out mutilating little children they start with animals. They become cruel to animals and by behaving cruelly they transform themselves into monsters. They work their way from lizards and rats, cats and dogs, and finally human. There hasn't been a serial killing who tortured their victim that didn't start off being cruel to animals. Conversely, if you are forced to be polite, to behave with manners; so you don't eat with your hands, an insult people, piss where ever you like, you transform yourself into a civilized person. Same with goodness, act good, be generous and compassionate and you become that kind of person. So the reason you walk a mile to return the extra penny to the store is not so much for the benefit of the store but the benefit for you. Mormons go out on their missions to convert people. They're success rate is abysmal compared to the resources put into it. They do it because of what it does to the missionaries. It's a right of passage for them. When a 19 year old goes from Utah to Indonesia he does not come back the same person.
-- As the society has become more secular, people accountable ultimately to no one else but themselves. They are their own God, morality and ethics over time get more and more diluted.
I could go on forever, rejection of authority "Don't trust anyone over 30", but CalvinH is already fuming and I've long past the outer limits of the GetBiggers attention capacity.
Some good ideas came out of the sixties: civil rights, women's rights, minority rights... but even these have become prostituted. Far more harm than good came out of that generation that laid the seed of what we are experiencing today.
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I still don`t see a single thing Jason did wrong.
You are denying him this and you are denying her as well.
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Heaven forbid that one should deny themselves anything. The logical conclusion to a God less universe is hedonism.
Indulge the body -- corrupt the soul.
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she's very attractive obviously. i can tell by her eyes she knows people are silently judging her.
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From the O
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Cute but appears to have back fat. ???
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to me its creepy that a mid 30 year old dude would go after a 14yr old. plus the law says its wrong. shouldn't matter that he married her now. what he did then was wrong. maybe they did use each other but a 14yr old isn't fully emotionally developed yet
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to me its creepy that a mid 30 year old dude would go after a 14yr old. plus the law says its wrong. shouldn't matter that he married her now. what he did then was wrong. maybe they did use each other but a 14yr old isn't fully emotionally developed yet
There is no such thing as "fully emotionally developed". We make new neural synapses until we die.
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to me its creepy that a mid 30 year old dude would go after a 14yr old. plus the law says its wrong. shouldn't matter that he married her now. what he did then was wrong. maybe they did use each other but a 14yr old isn't fully emotionally developed yet
Furthermore, what is the standard you are judging by to be "emotionally fully developed"?
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There is no such thing as "fully emotionally developed". We make new neural synapses until we die.
Oh brother.
Ronnie Coleman made new muscles and loss old muscle cells. Like everyone he goes from a anabolic to a catabolic state routinely. He was fully developed.
Siddhartha was fully developed emotionally. Apenis..., well, not so much.
But that's not why I disapprove of his and her behavior or that even he should be punished for it. So why am I even arguing your point? Because I want to fight you and take your woman.
There's a difference between illegal, sinful/immoral, and unholy. There both going to hell. But not because of this.
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Furthermore, what is the standard you are judging by to be "emotionally fully developed"?
[/url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/teenbrain/interviews/giedd.html[url]
there you have it...read it. its pretty simple really a naive girl will fall for anything. adonis you try to sound smart on here but sometimes you are just dumb ;)
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http://http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/the_teen_brain_behavior_problem_solving_and_decision_making
theres another link adonis. you are owned yet again
here's a summary teenager behave impulsive, irrational or dangerous without considering the consequences of their actions. the biological explanation is that the frontal lobe(responsible for decision making) is not fully developed
therefore a teenager's brain is not developed. therefore they can not be fully emotional developed stupid
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Cute but appears to have back fat. ???
probably post-marriage chub.
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Oh brother.
Ronnie Coleman made new muscles and loss old muscle cells. Like everyone he goes from a anabolic to a catabolic state routinely. He was fully developed.
Siddhartha was fully developed emotionally. Apenis..., well, not so much.
But that's not why I disapprove of his and her behavior or that even he should be punished for it. So why am I even arguing your point? Because I want to fight you and take your woman.
There's a difference between illegal, sinful/immoral, and unholy. There both going to hell. But not because of this.
of course its immoral. addonis knows this. he just wants to sound intelligent and argue. you can post on about any subject and i'll bet adonis has something negaitive or argumentative to say in reply
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http://http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/the_teen_brain_behavior_problem_solving_and_decision_making
theres another link adonis. you are owned yet again
here's a summary teenager behave impulsive, irrational or dangerous without considering the consequences of their actions. the biological explanation is that the frontal lobe(responsible for decision making) is not fully developed
therefore a teenager's brain is not developed. therefore they can not be fully emotional developed stupid
That is a total leap in logic. That is poor reductionist science.
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of course its immoral. addonis knows this. he just wants to sound intelligent and argue. you can post on about any subject and i'll bet adonis has something negaitive or argumentative to say in reply
Sorry, I don`t find it to be immoral whatsoever. I support Jason Ellis and I support the girl involved.
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Sorry, I don`t find it to be immoral whatsoever. I support Jason Ellis and I support the girl involved.
the only thing i feel is jealousy.
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That is a total leap in logic. That is poor reductionist science.
what are you talking about? this IS science. how are you arguing against it? its factual. oh well i guess you are in one of those moods
BTW the bigger words that you try to use don't make you appear any more intelligent
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Sorry, I don`t find it to be immoral whatsoever. I support Jason Ellis and I support the girl involved.
pedo
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what are you talking about? this IS science. how are you arguing against it? its factual. oh well i guess you are in one of those moods
BTW the bigger words that you try to use don't make you appear any more intelligent
Its not accurate Science whatsoever. I hope this helps.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-myth-of-the-teen-brain
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Click the link for the entire article.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:FA0FLTyhmrIJ:drrobertepstein.com/pdf/Epstein-THE_MYTH_OF_THE_TEEN_BRAIN-Scientific_American_Mind-4-07.pdf+teen+brain+myth&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgWgg0RHzTKWIWv6zd7A3p1j9LIQoeFM4JSRWea2yzZeKmyvyOLBQnWZr2dwyXAjqhg7ql3sLDS2_lBSyNT2s2sSY3gPjAFlPqTc2MwkRkwC2ANYkxy2AiWS2zgs--xAtuFj3fU&sig=AHIEtbSVeXyvIyXFcetcemcETSgrkHyLMg
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adonis you are wrong. this is nothing but opinion..thats it. no science backing it up...did you read it. NONE.
what i posted spoke of REAL medical facts about brain sized. brain development over the years...did you read it
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He is but only until the end of his probation and then its cleared
you would know best!
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of course its immoral. addonis knows this. he just wants to sound intelligent and argue. you can post on about any subject and i'll bet adonis has something negaitive or argumentative to say in reply
There is nothing in the Old Testament banning premarital sex unless it is adultery. No where in the Bible is premarital sex explicitly banned. The age difference is also not addressed and there are examples of sex between couples of various age differences. As long as it is consensual it is not considered a sin. The prohibition of premarital sex is more a result of it being frown on and discourage and over the centuries became to be consider sinful. As well, as the broad definition of the original Hebrew term for fornication. Similar how many conflate, "Thou shall not kill" with "Thou shall not murder." The original Hebrew term referred to murder. To kill an innocent person.
What they did is considered illegal in this country. It is an arbitrary law.
There is another concept in religious teaching having to do with the holy and unholy. Think of it as moral propriety. What is proper and appropriate. Eating like a dog is considered unholy. It diminishes the human being. Just like walking around naked or relieving yourself in public. If you see a grown man in his mid thirties hanging with teenagers, both boys and girls and even without sexual interest, it is still inappropriate. What does it say and how does it appear for a grown man to be out in the park jumping rope with teens, going with them to the movies, having sleep overs, going to dances, carnivals... never hanging out with people his own age. It would seem odd and inappropriate -- and it would be. I never for a minute believed that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. He was just weird. Never had a childhood and remained in a perpetual state of arrested emotional development.
This Ellis guy didn't commit any sin. Didn't hurt anyone maliciously. Should not be put in jail. He's just another in a long, long line of narcissistic hedonists who's level of self-absorption and self-indulgence is just par for the course. The girl was no innocent angel either. Just as manipulative in pursuing her own self-interest and willing to do whatever it takes to achieve her ends. Don't fool yourself just because she is young.
Just a couple of moral low lives doing what comes nature to a person when you believe in nothing. Generation nothingness: believe in nothing, stand for nothing, become nothing.
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There is nothing in the Old Testament banning premarital sex unless it is adultery. No where in the Bible is premarital sex explicitly banned. The age difference is also not addressed and there are examples of sex between couples of various age differences. As long as it is consensual it is not considered a sin. The prohibition of premarital sex is more a result of it being frown on and discourage and over the centuries became to be consider sinful. As well, as the broad definition of the original Hebrew term for fornication. Similar how many conflate, "Thou shall not kill" with "Thou shall not murder." The original Hebrew term referred to murder. To kill an innocent person.
What they did is considered illegal in this country. It is an arbitrary law.
There is another concept in religious teaching having to do with the holy and unholy. Think of it as moral propriety. What is proper and appropriate. Eating like a dog is considered unholy. It diminishes the human being. Just like walking around naked or relieving yourself in public. If you see a grown man in his mid thirties hanging with teenagers, both boys and girls and even without sexual interest, it is still inappropriate. What does it say and how does it appear for a grown man to be out in the park jumping rope with teens, going with them to the movies, having sleep overs, going to dances, carnivals... never hanging out with people his own age. It would seem odd and inappropriate -- and it would be. I never for a minute believed that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. He was just weird. Never had a childhood and remained in a perpetual state of arrested emotional development.
This Ellis guy didn't commit any sin. Didn't hurt anyone maliciously. Should not be put in jail. He's just another in a long, long line of narcissistic hedonists who's level of self-absorption and self-indulgence is just par for the course. The girl was no innocent angel either. Just as manipulative in pursuing her own self-interest and willing to do whatever it takes to achieve her ends. Don't fool yourself just because she is young.
Just a couple of moral low lives doing what comes nature to a person when you believe in nothing. Generation nothingness: believe in nothing, stand for nothing, become nothing.
ok fair enough. it may have not been addressed in the bible directly but the bible does say obey the laws of the land..you know it is against the law. bible aside i suppose your conscious should be your guide. for me i could never date 14yr old girl. after all what does a man in his 30's really have in common. we aren't talking about a 40yr old marrying a 20yr old. we are talking about a little girl. SO MORALLY I FEEL THAT ITS WRONG. what if it was your daughter?
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ok fair enough. it may have not been addressed in the bible directly but the bible does say obey the laws of the land..you know it is against the law. bible aside i suppose your conscious should be your guide. for me i could never date 14yr old girl. after all what does a man in his 30's really have in common. we aren't talking about a 40yr old marrying a 20yr old. we are talking about a little girl. SO MORALLY I FEEL THAT ITS WRONG. what if it was your daughter?
Maybe he likes her hair and care free attitude.
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ok fair enough. it may have not been addressed in the bible directly but the bible does say obey the laws of the land..you know it is against the law. bible aside i suppose your conscious should be your guide. for me i could never date 14yr old girl. after all what does a man in his 30's really have in common. we aren't talking about a 40yr old marrying a 20yr old. we are talking about a little girl. SO MORALLY I FEEL THAT ITS WRONG. what if it was your daughter?
I'll try to address each point in order. When making reference to the Bible, which I assume in this case is the "Render onto Ceasar...." what is wildly over looked is the context of the passage. Another is the "Eye for an eye...'" and the "Turn the other cheek..." passages and seemingly contradiction. But I don't need to argue Biblical passages to you as you live in the real world and surely you don't believe that just because something is the law of the land that it is right, moral and should be followed. There's a case right now where a man is being condemn to death for abandoning Islam for Christianity. And I don't need to remind anyone of the Jim Crow laws in this country.
And NEVER do I believe that one should just go by their conscious. A person's conscious, the self imposed standards for right and wrong and feelings of guilt, varies wildly from person to person. Even within the same person depending on circumstance. There are people that will saw off your head, cut out the fetus from a pregnant women, and the eat a fafalel sandwich while discussing the latest soccer results. I don't trust human nature. I don't trust man's conscious. I don't trust myself. Even when you know what you are doing is wrong you can always find some way to justify to soothe your conscious. "He had it coming," is my personal favorite.
You could never do something like that. Fair enough. But this was no little girl. I hate when people throw around the term pedophile which is immoral and a sickness.
This was lowlife, unseemly behavior. But the government has no business locking people up -- Putting them behind bars, in a cage, because of behavior that they find distasteful. Not that distasteful behavior should never be illegal. If they were having sex in a church they should be locked up briefly like the animals they portrayed. Not for having sex but for having sex in public. In life, most every act in and of itself is morally neutral. It is always the context of that act which defines it's morality. Cutting open your chest can be a violent act or a subtle life saving procedure such as heart surgery. Sexual intercourse can be an act of love or a brutal violation. It is the context that defines morality.
As far as my daughter, I wouldn't want her to work at Hooters let alone be a stripper. But I wouldn't want to make it illegal. What I want for my daughter can be quite different than what society and the law condones. I would hope that I had raised my daughter with a value system such that she would not find herself in that position. And I certainly wouldn't want or allow my teen daughter being involved in the modeling profession let alone go to photo shoots unsupervised. I have a feeling that his particular girl was raised with more "progressive" attitudes and didn't have a father in her life or if she did it was a very weak and emasculated one. In other word, the typical father in Americana land.
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Some of you guys here aren't as dumb as you try and let on. ;D
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Megans Law will have him red flagged forever.
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Megans Law will have him red flagged forever.
You want to equate two selfish users having consensual to someone who kidnapped, raped and murdered a seven year old girl?
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It is conscience not conscious.