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WASHINGTON -- Herman Cain's now-famous "9-9-9" tax plan was crafted by a rank-and-file investment adviser working at a Wells Fargo branch in an affluent rural Ohio town with a population of about 6,000 people.
Cain name-checked Richard Lowrie during Tuesday night's Republican debate on economic policy, and his campaign confirmed to HuffPost that Richard Lowrie Jr., a Wells Fargo employee in Pepper Pike, Ohio, outside of Cleveland, was the official adviser to his campaign who hammered out the "9-9-9" plan. The plan calls for creating a new 9 percent federal sales tax on everything consumers buy, while cutting the corporate tax rate to 9 percent and imposing a flat 9 percent income tax on all wages.
Cain said on "Meet the Press" that his program is "revenue-neutral," meaning it will raise exactly the same amount of tax money as the current tax system. By cutting corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy, the program puts a heavy new tax burden on the poor and the middle class.
It is unusual for a presidential campaign to employ a local investment adviser as an economic policy expert. Major electoral campaigns typically seek out high-profile economists with federal policymaking experience or academic gravitas.
According to Lowrie's LinkedIn profile, his education tops out with a Bachelor of Science in accountancy from Case Western University. He has no formal training in economics, and there is no indication that he has ever worked on public policy. According to that same profile, Lowrie's political experience includes working on the board of advisers for Americans For Prosperity, a hardline conservative outfit founded by the Koch Brothers, until 2008. In 2011, the group ran into trouble for posting fake eviction notices on the doors of Detroit families. Lowrie's LinkedIn profile also says he works on the volunteer advisory panel for the American Conservative Union
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/richard-lowrie-herman-cain-tax-plan_n_1006201.html
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"The Huffington Post" no agenda there. Hahaha. How to the libs feel about Ariana Huffington selling out for $350mil? lol
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"The Huffington Post" no agenda there. Hahaha. How to the libs feel about Ariana Huffington selling out for $350mil? lol
wtf does what you just said have to do with the fact that he has some shmuck out of Wells Fargo in Bumfuckville drawing up his touted 9-9-9 plan? Who does he have in mind for Chairmen of the Fed, Joe the Plumber?
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Just what the country needs, a 9 percent sales tax for everything you buy. So that can go along with you 7.5% state sales tax, and your 3% city sales tax on average so now you get to pay almost a 20% sales tax every time you buy something. What a terrible idea.
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His plan does away with Fica taxes which are 15% of earnings.
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His plan does away with Fica taxes which are 15% of earnings.
True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax. I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America. I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island? You still putting support behind Cain? I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed.
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True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax. I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America. I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island? You still putting support behind Cain? I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed.
What's your problem? Just call them up and ask to talk to somebody and they'll tell you everything you need to know.
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True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax. I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America. I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island? You still putting support behind Cain? I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed.
I dont like the idea of an income tax AND a sales tax! I think its a lot of trouble because the pols will make that 15-15-15 in no time at all.
I favor a flat national sales tax and thats it, no income tax at all.
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True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax. I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America. I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island? You still putting support behind Cain? I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed.
I thought you knew by now that our friend here is trying to kill the middle class ???
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Just what the country needs, a 9 percent sales tax for everything you buy. So that can go along with you 7.5% state sales tax, and your 3% city sales tax on average so now you get to pay almost a 20% sales tax every time you buy something. What a terrible idea.
So if I buy a Bowflex (like most getbiggers) for $1,499, I'll be paying $299.80 in tax? 1798.80? ??? :o
;D
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I dont like the idea of an income tax AND a sales tax! I think its a lot of trouble because the pols will make that 15-15-15 in no time at all.
I favor a flat national sales tax and thats it, no income tax at all.
I would favor that if it could never get higher than 3%. Fed could also be funded by excise taxes and tariffs.
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So if I buy a Bowflex (like most getbiggers) for $1,499, I'll be paying $299.80 in tax? 1798.80? ??? :o
;D
Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?
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Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?
Suddenly, it's going to be much harder to live like a true getbigger!
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The real truth is 9-9-9 originated from a Godfather sales promotion, if you vote for Cain your next medium sized, fully topped pizza is only $9.99.
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Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?
A sales tax is far preferrable to an income tax since you have control over what you pay.
W income tax - you have no control and it taxes your productivity.
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He called Greenspan the best Fed chairmen, which means Cains an idiot and a perfect candidate for BeachBum type republicans. If he really believes that then he doesn't stand a chance in he'll of improving this economy.
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He called Greenspan the best Fed chairmen, which means Cains an idiot and a perfect candidate for BeachBum type republicans. If he really believes that then he doesn't stand a chance in he'll of improving this economy.
Who was the best fed chairman in your opinion? Bernake? ::)
Can you even name another one besides those two?
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The fed are your friends,,Haha
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Who was the best fed chairman in your opinion? Bernake? ::)
Can you even name another one besides those two?
So you're saying Greenspans decisions were good for the economy?
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The real truth is 9-9-9 originated from a Godfather sales promotion, if you vote for Cain your next medium sized, fully topped pizza is only $9.99.
lolzer
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So you're saying Greenspans decisions were good for the economy?
Ron Paul's answer was the best...Volker protected the value of the dollar and stopped hyper inflation. Greenspan lowered rates for years and years. It ultimately lead to bubbles in the stock and housing markets which we still haven't recovered from.
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Ron Paul's answer was the best...Volker protected the value of the dollar and stopped hyper inflation. Greenspan lowered rates for years and years. It ultimately lead to bubbles in the stock and housing markets which we still haven't recovered from.
Then we had to endure all his Greenspeak bullshit. Lots if talk with nothing being said. Don't forget,"we can just print the money." ::)
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Then we had to endure all his Greenspeak bullshit. Lots if talk with nothing being said. Don't forget,"we can just print the money." ::)
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Greenspan is a complete asshole..I really liked the last time he was interviewed by congress,,,He was like a beaten down old man...His confidence was gone, Many senators were talking down to him..Unlike in the past when the worshiped the ground he walked on.
But he's right we have a printing press, and can print our way out of our obligations...True story
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The guy wasn't even a monkey boy stock picker...it's a "let me sell you an annuity and CD" kind of guy.
Explains a lot.
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Sounds ok if you are under the assumption that the very rich are out purchasing fleets of high-end cars and yachts on a daily basis. Yes, those items move, but not on the scale that one may think.
Putting a federal sales tax in lieu of an income tax would be disastrous for the poor and the middle class. What makes you think the the continuing devaluing of the dollar would stop, along with inflation and stagnant wages? Paying an extra 10% at Wal-Mart could completely break many poor and middle class families, leaving them with hard choices of like whether to pay rent or having to skip a meal. I did see that the tax would not be applicable to "essential goods" but what would that constitute as? Who makes and enforces what an essential good is? Are diapers essential? How about "cooking" wine.....Little debbie cakes....soda......cloth ing?
And, again....we do not have a taxing problem. We have a spending problem.
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Bloomberg ran the numbers two weeks ago or so and their estimate put the revenues generated within $200 billion of the amount collected last year.
Cain has long said that this 9-9-9 plan is the first step, with the goal ultimately being the fair tax.
Either way, it's an idea and that means he's already done more than President Downgrade.
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''And, again....we do not have a taxing problem. We have a spending problem''
Agreed. but no politician from either party will tell us what programs they'll slash.
ENTITLEMENTS is all they say. They won't call out ballwashing because that costs jobs.
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wtf does what you just said have to do with the fact that he has some shmuck out of Wells Fargo in Bumfuckville drawing up his touted 9-9-9 plan? Who does he have in mind for Chairmen of the Fed, Joe the Plumber?
what does the person who made the plan or what they do have to do with the plans merits?
hows seeking out top educated economic advisors worked out so far?
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He called Greenspan the best Fed chairmen, which means Cains an idiot and a perfect candidate for BeachBum type republicans. If he really believes that then he doesn't stand a chance in he'll of improving this economy.
now this is somewhat disconcerning...
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This 9-9-9 plan will sink his candidacy.
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Who cares? If it's a good idea and it's been vetted, who gives a rip if a low level "local" employee came up with the idea? How elitist is this criticism? ::)
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The fed are your friends,,Haha
All potential Cain voters watch this and tell me with a straight face he is a better candidate than RP
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Who cares? If it's a good idea and it's been vetted, who gives a rip if a low level "local" employee came up with the idea? How elitist is this criticism? ::)
Lol oh boy. Cain admitted he fucked up huge on the stste of the economy. Are you prepared to accept the disaster he'll create while practicing getting it right during his presidency? We need someone who's been right all along. When are you old school Neocants finally gonna get it right?
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Lol oh boy. Cain admitted he fucked up huge on the stste of the economy. Are you prepared to accept the disaster he'll create while practicing getting it right during his presidency? We need Simone who's been right all along. When are you old school Neocants finally gonna get it right?
Who cares? As long as it doesn't resemble any form of elitism.
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Who cares? As long as it doesn't resemble any form of elitism.
You voted for Obama - you really need to stay silent.
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GOP should not have run a moron on their ticket then.
You thought she was qualified. You back Trump and Bachmonster too.
If anyone needs to STFU - it's you and your uninformed ass.
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GOP should not have run a moron on their ticket then.
You thought she was qualified. You back Trump and Bachmonster too.
If anyone needs to STFU - it's you and your uninformed ass.
I have been proven correct in the policy implications of an obama presidency - you voted for it.
I hated mcCain - but compared to Maobama - there was not even a doubt.
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Proven correct?
HAHAHAHAHAH
Like the doctors walking out?
The riots in the street after he took office?
The 200 million expense?
The population living out of duffel bags?
Like him resigning or seeking a pardon?
The only thing you have been proven correct in is that you are the biggest tool on this board.
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Lol oh boy. Cain admitted he fucked up huge on the stste of the economy. Are you prepared to accept the disaster he'll create while practicing getting it right during his presidency? We need someone who's been right all along. When are you old school Neocants finally gonna get it right?
Its hard for these neocons to admit they live on a lie better to stay delusional
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Proven correct?
HAHAHAHAHAH
Like the doctors walking out?
The riots in the street after he took office?
The 200 million expense?
The population living out of duffel bags?
Like him resigning or seeking a pardon?
The only thing you have been proven correct in is that you are the biggest tool on this board.
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Not a single one of your little predictions that I listed are included there.
You = FFFAAAAAIIIIILLLLLL!!!!!
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Yeah the downgrade was ALL Obama ::)
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Herman Cain's 999 Plan
Herman Cain.com ^ | Herman Cain
Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Vision for Economic Growth
•The natural state of our economy is prosperity. Freedom ensures that. •We must get the government off our backs, out of our pockets and out of our way in order to return to prosperity. •Policy uncertainty is killing the economy.
Economic Guiding Principles
1.Production drives the economy, not spending. ◦We can not spend our way to prosperity. ◦Government spending IS taxation. ◦Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE. 2.Risk taking drives growth . ◦Business formation and job creation are dependent on entrepreneurs taking risks. ◦Investors who fund those entrepreneurs likewise take risks. 3.Measurements must be dependable. ◦A dollar must always be a dollar just as an hour is always 60 minutes. ◦Sound money is crucial for prosperity.
We Must Unite Not Divide
•When one party seeks to spend so that the other party must focus on cutting, we must unite around economic growth. •Unite all tax payers, don’t divide them into “income” tax payers vs. “payroll” tax payers. •Unite those wanting to eliminate deductions with those seeking lower rates. •As a first step, unite the “Flat-Taxers” with the “Fair-Taxers” Economic Growth is the Key •This is the worst recovery since the Depression. •If the President’s goal was to tie for last place with the previous worst recovery, he failed by 6 million jobs. •If we had a typical recovery, 13 million more Americans would be employed today. •That means more tax revenue, less government spending and 13 million less people opposed to reasonable spending cuts. •The Super Committee must deliver a robust growth solution. •America can’t wait for 2012, we need growth NOW Phase 1 - 9-9-9 •Current circumstances call for bolder action. •The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan incorporates the features of Phase One and gets us a step closer to Phase two. •I call on the Super Committee to pass the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan along with their spending cut package. •The Phase 1 Enhanced Plan unites Flat Tax supporters with Fair tax supporters. •Achieves the broadest possible tax base along with the lowest possible rate of 9%. •It ends the Payroll Tax completely – a permanent holiday! •Zero capital gains tax •Ends the Death Tax. •Eliminates double taxation of dividends •Business Flat Tax – 9% ◦Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for payroll employed in the zone. •Individual Flat Tax – 9%. ◦Gross income less charitable deductions. ◦Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone. •National Sales Tax – 9%. ◦This gets the Fair Tax off the sidelines and into the game.
Phase 2 – The Fair Tax
•Amidst a backdrop of the economic boom created by the Phase 1 Enhanced Plan, I will begin the process of educating the American people on the benefits of continuing the next step to the Fair Tax. •The Fair Tax would ultimately replace individual and corporate income taxes. •It would make it possible to end the IRS as we know it. •The Fair Tax makes our exported goods and services the most competitively internationally than any other tax system.
Phase 1 Enhanced Plan – Summary
•Unites all tax payers so we all pay income taxes and no one pays payroll taxes •Provides the least incentive to evade taxes and the fewest opportunities to do so •Lifts a $430 billion dead-weight burden on the economy due to compliance, enforcement, collection, etc. •Is fair, neutral, transparent, and efficient •Ends nearly all deductions and special interest favors •Ends all payroll taxes •Ends the Death Tax •Features zero tax on capital gains and repatriated profits •Lowest marginal rates on production •Allows immediate expensing of business investments •Eliminates double taxation of dividends •Increases capital formation. Capital per worker drives productivity and wage growth •Capital formation will aid capital availability for small businesses •Features a platform to launch properly structured Empowerment Zones to revitalize our inner cities •We all know the Fed has tripled the money supply since 2008. They have been printing money out of thin air to finance the Obama spending machine. While true Fed reform that restores sound money may have to wait for my election, the best thing we can do now is to pursue policies that increase the DEMAND for dollars to help mitigate the risks associated with the increase in the supply. •Pro-growth economic policies equal a strong dollar policy
This is Herman Cain:
•Chief Executive Officer and President of THE New Voice, Inc., a business consulting company, and Head Coach of HITM (Hermanator’s Intelligent Thinkers Movement) •Former Chairman of Godfather’s Pizza, Inc. after serving as CEO and President for ten years, 1986 - 1996. In 1988 he bought the company from The Pillsbury Company •Former President of the Tax Leadership Council, the public educational component of Americans for Fair Taxation •Past Chairman of the Board of the National Restaurant Association (1994-1995), and former full time CEO and President of the Association (1996-1999) •Member of The National Commission on Economic Growth and Tax Reform (1995), chaired by former Republican Vice-Presidential candidate, Jack Kemp •Former Member, Strategic Air Command (STRATCOM) Citizens Advisory Board, Omaha, Nebraska •Radio Talk Show Host, “The Herman Cain Show”, News Talk 750 WSB – Atlanta, Monday - Friday, 7pm-10pm EST •FOX News Business Commentator and Columnist with NorthStarNational.com, World Net Daily and DailyCaller.com •At a nationally televised Presidential Town Hall Meeting on Health Care Reform (1994), challenged President Bill Clinton’s health care proposal when he said, “Mr. President, with all due respect, your calculations are incorrect…” •Served on the Boards of Directors of AGCO, Inc., Georgia Chamber of Commerce, Hallmark Cards Inc., Whirlpool, Inc.,and Morehouse College, Atlanta, Georgia •Graduated from Morehouse College with a B.S. in Mathematics in 1967. Earned his Master’s Degree in Computer Science from Purdue University in 1971. Recipient of eight Honorary Doctorate Degrees from Morehouse College, New York City Technical College; Suffolk University, Johnson & Wales University, Creighton University, Purdue University, Tougaloo College and the University of Nebraska •Author of four books, Leadership Is Common Sense (1997), Speak As A Leader (1999), CEO of SELF (October, 2001), and They Think You’re Stupid (May, 2005) •A native and current resident of Atlanta, Georgia. Married for over 40 years with two adult children and three grandchildren
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wtf does what you just said have to do with the fact that he has some shmuck out of Wells Fargo in Bumfuckville drawing up his touted 9-9-9 plan? Who does he have in mind for Chairmen of the Fed, Joe the Plumber?
;D
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Just what the country needs, a 9 percent sales tax for everything you buy. So that can go along with you 7.5% state sales tax, and your 3% city sales tax on average so now you get to pay almost a 20% sales tax every time you buy something. What a terrible idea.
I would only go along with this if it was guaranteed to wipe out our national deficit and debt
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His plan does away with Fica taxes which are 15% of earnings.
I thought they were 7.5 %.are you adding in the gov't's share as well?
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I thought they were 7.5 %.are you adding in the gov't's share as well?
And you have the balls to call me uninformed?
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Lol oh boy. Cain admitted he fucked up huge on the stste of the economy. Are you prepared to accept the disaster he'll create while practicing getting it right during his presidency? We need someone who's been right all along. When are you old school Neocants finally gonna get it right?
great point.
neocons only hate ron paul because they've had 5 or 6 years of conditioning from their preachers at FOX news.
if Ron Paul was posing with rifles and requiring HPV shots for 11 year olds, they'd love the guy.
An impeccable 20 year record of straight tea party votes? They hate that shit!
LMAO.... those bitches deserve another 4 years of obama. They deserve it.
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9-9-9 is not a fair tax. As has already been stated, flat taxes result in an unequal share of income being taxed on those who are less able to pay. There is nothing fair about that. This is not a solution unless you add in a national sales tax as well as have a progressive income taxation system. I've posted on here before how a sales tax could reduce the deficit if spending levels remained constant. That is a big IF of course and even then it still hurts lower incomes families more disproportionately.
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GOP should not have run a moron on their ticket then.
You thought she was qualified. You back Trump and Bachmonster too.
If anyone needs to STFU - it's you and your uninformed ass.
:D
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Proven correct?
HAHAHAHAHAH
Like the doctors walking out?
The riots in the street after he took office?
The 200 million expense?
The population living out of duffel bags?
Like him resigning or seeking a pardon?
The only thing you have been proven correct in is that you are the biggest tool on this board.
Don't forget his infamous thread where he reports about the Secret Service agent who was reassigned due to his overhearing Obama, his wife, and kids making anti-white racial remarks....WOW
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And you have the balls to call me uninformed?
sorry...I meant the EMPLOYER'S share...apologies
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9-9-9 was getting demolished by the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR for the fact it'll reduce rich ppl's taxes by something like 40%of what they're paying now...
and if you make under 50k, you're going to see a tax increase. Is it true CSM wrote this?
I don't think 9 9 9 would pass anyway - it's very good salesmanship, but if it turns out to be a shiny version of the Ryan plan, it's sunk.
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9-9-9 was getting demolished by the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR for the fact it'll reduce rich ppl's taxes by something like 40%of what they're paying now...
and if you make under 50k, you're going to see a tax increase. Is it true CSM wrote this?
I don't think 9 9 9 would pass anyway - it's very good salesmanship, but if it turns out to be a shiny version of the Ryan plan, it's sunk.
THOSE PEOPLE PAY NOTHING NOW!
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THOSE PEOPLE PAY NOTHING NOW!
what % do you think a person who makes 6,000 per year should pay? 35%?
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and, if that happens, do you honestly understand the raminifications of reducing every 6k earner in the country's spending by 1/3?
You dont. Or you'd realize that negative effect that would have on the economy.
The prob isn't the taxing - IT IS THE SPENDING> And only one GOP candidate will slash spending - RPaul. Not Cain.
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and, if that happens, do you honestly understand the raminifications of reducing every 6k earner in the country's spending by 1/3?
You dont. Or you'd realize that negative effect that would have on the economy.
The prob isn't the taxing - IT IS THE SPENDING> And only one GOP candidate will slash spending - RPaul. Not Cain.
WTF! You disagree with slashing spending!
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WTF! You disagree with slashing spending!
I disagree with not paying for breast exams at P&P and political stunts like that.
I disagree with calling the $350k that the average american paid into social security as an "entitlement" or "handout".
It's the other $*&^$*& money.
So yes, I refuse to give fellatio to paul ryan like the rest of you.
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I disagree with not paying for breast exams at P&P and political stunts like that.
I disagree with calling the $350k that the average american paid into social security as an "entitlement" or "handout".
It's the other $*&^$*& money.
So yes, I refuse to give fellatio to paul ryan like the rest of you.
SO STFU ABOUT RON PAUL MORON!
You disagree with about 80% of what he stands for.
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SO STFU ABOUT RON PAUL MORON!
You disagree with about 80% of what he stands for.
when i donate $ to ron paul and film myself knocking on doors for him, then cell phone pic me voting RPaul in nov 2012, with "33 getbig" written on my hand in the pic...
THEN will you wear a "Palin 12 IQ" shirt?
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when i donate $ to ron paul and film myself knocking on doors for him, then cell phone pic me voting RPaul in nov 2012, with "33 getbig" written on my hand in the pic...
THEN will you wear a "Palin 12 IQ" shirt?
Tell me what you agree with him on?
at least 8/10 things you are the polar opposite.
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Tell me what you agree with him on?
at least 8/10 things you are the polar opposite.
the US needs to pull out of most other counties. We don't need 1000 military bases.
If Ron paul cuts back defense spending, the deficit is fixed quickly.
NONE of the other candidates are going to do anything but kick the can down the road.
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the US needs to pull out of most other counties. We don't need 1000 military bases.
If Ron paul cuts back defense spending, the deficit is fixed quickly.
NONE of the other candidates are going to do anything but kick the can down the road.
The Defense Budget does not equal the Deficit
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The Defense Budget does not equal the Deficit
Of course not. But I guarantee, you cut back 80% of the 1.4 trillion we (admit) we spend annually, and things start turning around quickly.
You leave the other 20% into building a shitload of nukes. YOu let the world know, if a citizen/group from your land comes to the US and starts shit, we're nuking your capital city.
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Of course not. But I guarantee, you cut back 80% of the 1.4 trillion we (admit) we spend annually, and things start turning around quickly.
You leave the other 20% into building a shitload of nukes. YOu let the world know, if a citizen/group from your land comes to the US and starts shit, we're nuking your capital city.
you attacked me for wanting to cut 10% a year remember?
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when i donate $ to ron paul and film myself knocking on doors for him, then cell phone pic me voting RPaul in nov 2012, with "33 getbig" written on my hand in the pic...
THEN will you wear a "Palin 12 IQ" shirt?
Don't waste your vote
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Don't waste your vote
Nope - I wanted you to rectify it with the opinions of getbiggers who claim we should be spending way MORE on defense.
You know, outspending our nearest enemy by 10 times isn't enough for them. They need the biggest nuclear penis.
Are they WRONG, 33?
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Lol oh boy. Cain admitted he fucked up huge on the stste of the economy. Are you prepared to accept the disaster he'll create while practicing getting it right during his presidency? We need someone who's been right all along. When are you old school Neocants finally gonna get it right?
I'm prepared to accept anyone currently running against Obama. There is no one running who has been "right all along" and/or consistent on every issue.
When are you 9/11 CT nuts going to start thinking for yourselves?
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I'm prepared to accept anyone currently running against Obama. There is no one running who has been "right all along" and/or consistent on every issue.
When are you 9/11 CT nuts going to start thinking for yourselves?
Ron was tight all along about the economy and what makes me a 9/11 nut?
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Ron was tight all along about the economy and what makes me a 9/11 nut?
Ron Paul's strength is his position on fiscal discipline. That said, he has not been consistent with his criticism, because he apparently lobbied for stimulus money and used earmarks.
He's also wrong on foreign policy.
Nearly every rabid Ron Paul supporter on this board is a 9/11 CT nut.
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still waiting for someone to tell me why this plan apparently sucks so bad....
All ive heard is that the guy who made it works at wells fargo ::)
apparently that somehow discredits this bill?
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The plan is bad because it assumes that we'll continue to have people like cain that will keep it at 999. Thats pretty much it.
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The plan is bad because it assumes that we'll continue to have people like cain that will keep it at 999. Thats pretty much it.
well then any taxation plan is bad b/c that logic could be used for anything.
our current tax system is just as bad b/c they will undoubtedly raise taxes sooner or later...
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Plus it inserts a national sales tax. Obviously overly simplified.
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I like the idea, but I have concerns about having both a national sales tax and an income tax. Definitely subject to abuse if you have the wrong people in charge of the purse strings.
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Which I guess is the issue....but we all have our roles here on the GETBIG pol board and economics isn't mine.
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still waiting for someone to tell me why this plan apparently sucks so bad....
All ive heard is that the guy who made it works at wells fargo ::)
apparently that somehow discredits this bill?
dude, you can't get a definite answer on this because he has not given all of the details of it which is why I won't totally come out against it yet. All we can do is speculate based on how much he has given us.
At this point, the pressure is on for him to lay out the details. If he doesn't, that's a major problem because this plan could easily be good or devastating based only on what we've been given.
I understand that many want to see some form of equal contribution tax wise... but I also understand that if you were to add a national sales tax of 9% on top of state tax, the only thing you'll see from that right now is a significant decrease in buying. Considering the time we're in right now, that doesn't seem like a great idea even if you don't like the fact that the poor and middle class pay less than the rich.
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I don't know why people are acting like it's a dead issue because *gasp* a normal working person may have come up with it. So normal people don't have good ideas? We should only look to the Econ PhDs for the answer? That has gotten us really far (Hi, Bernankicide!).
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^^^
so right now the big knock is it wasnt created by a high level economist?
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Pretty dumb criticism. Anyone can come up with a good idea.
How desperate are these (new) Cain haters? Just as bad as those trying to find dirt on Perry, or the absurd criticism of Bachmann.
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Pretty dumb criticism. Anyone can come up with a good idea.
How desperate are these (new) Cain haters? Just as bad as those trying to find dirt on Perry, or the absurd criticism of Bachmann.
I love bachmann... but she has ruined her momentum and walked herself right into obscurity with her own words. :(
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Pretty dumb criticism. Anyone can come up with a good idea.
How desperate are these (new) Cain haters? Just as bad as those trying to find dirt on Perry, or the absurd criticism of Bachmann.
critcism of Bachmann is easy..she who rails against entitlements and government subsidies yet was caught with her hand in the cookie jar as well with her clinic benefiting from medicaid and her other Gov't subsidies
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i thought bachmann was going to be a better, mre qualified version of palin. not the case.
she ended up being obnoxious and just plain flaky :(
it's not absurd to call her that. She was, sadly.
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critcism of Bachmann is easy..she who rails against entitlements and government subsidies yet was caught with her hand in the cookie jar as well with her clinic benefiting from medicaid and her other Gov't subsidies
Criticism is fine. It's the stupid stuff I'm talking about, like this thread, Pokemon (lol), Bachmann's husband, putting out ads looking for Perry mistresses, etc.
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putting out ads looking for Perry mistresses,
Ask.com: There is currently no known male equivalent for the word mistress
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Criticism is fine. It's the stupid stuff I'm talking about, like this thread, Pokemon (lol), Bachmann's husband, putting out ads looking for Perry mistresses, etc.
that is quite flaky and funny........gotta admit that... :D
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that is quite flaky and funny........gotta admit that... :D
Here is one I posted in a thread about Perry. Done by a rabid Ron Paul supporter.
"Have you ever had sex with Rick Perry?"
A Texas Ron Paul supporter runs a newspaper ad seeking women who have slept with the presidential candidate
BY JUSTIN ELLIOTT
An Austin Ron Paul supporter has taken out a full-page ad in the local alt weekly newspaper seeking any "stripper ... escort ... or 'young hottie'" who has slept with Rick Perry, part of his single-minded jihad against the presidential candidate.
Robert Morrow describes himself as a "self-employed investor and political activist" as well as a three-time delegate to the Texas state GOP convention.
"Have you ever had sex with Rick Perry?" blares the ad, placed by Morrow in this week's Austin Chronicle. "Are you a stripper, an escort, or just a 'young hottie' impressed by an arrogant, entitled governor of Texas? Contact CASH, and we will help you publicize your direct dealings with a Christian-buzzwords-spouting, 'family values' hypocrite and fraud."
CASH is the Committee Against Sexual Hypocrisy, of which Morrow is president. "Is it a real group? No. It's just me," he told Salon earlier this week. Here is the ad, which the paper confirmed is running today (click for full size):
(http://media.salon.com/2011/08/morrowadsmall.jpg)
To be clear, there is absolutely no evidence that Perry has had extramarital affairs. But Morrow has written a screed, currently circulating online, that denounces Perry both for his policies (it labels him a "crony capitalist" and a "Neocon") as well as his alleged dalliances.
Morrow claims that he knows strippers in Austin who have stories about Perry, but none of them are willing to come forward to the press; hence, the need for an ad in the Chronicle. "I think it's only a matter of time until somebody credible comes forward," he told me.
At the bottom of the ad is a nod to the longtime (and equally unsubstantiated) rumors that Perry, who has pursued sundry anti-gay policies, is himself gay. "Note to gay people: If you know the truth about Rick, please QUIT covering for him," it reads.
The Chronicle itself looked into the infidelity/gay rumors in 2004, calling them "extraordinary in their baroque detail and remarkable persistence." It found "no evidence of any truth to any of them, whatsoever." Just this past June, Politico reported that Perry's organization was "more than prepared" for a re-airing of the gay rumors. His spokesman said that Perry and his wife, Anita, "have been lovingly married since 1982 and are parents to two grown children."
Morrow, meanwhile, has been leaving comments on blogs, writing his widely circulated anti-Perry essay, and, he says, fielding calls from multiple reporters. (He even says he spoke with a National Enquirer reporter who is being dispatched to Austin.)
This isn't the first time Morrow has engaged in this sort of one-man attack campaign. Back in 2008, he paid for (and personally voiced) an anti-Hillary robocall in South Carolina that made the unsubstantiated claim that "Hillary knew about and helped cover up Bill's rape of Juanita Broaddrick."
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/18/rick_perry_women_ad
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wow...this is really craven... :(