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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: nosleep on October 12, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
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GOD,
YOU TOLD US ABOUT TRENBOLONA, GH, EQUIPONA, BUT YOU SAY CYCLE YOUR TESTOSTERONE.
WHICH COMPOUNDS TO RUN WITH TEST AND WHICH DOSAGE? A TESTOSTERONA BIBLE INDEX WOULD BE GOOD. WE KNOW YOU SAID NO HIGH TESTOSTERONA WITHOUT HIGH GH, BUT WHAT ELSE?
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I'm going to push for more detail on this as well. I'd also like to know more about GH:Test ratio. In most of the cycles I have read in the bible it appears to be 5iu's GH for every gram of Test, but I'd like to see that confirmed and also see more info on cycling test.
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I'm going to push for more detail on this as well. I'd also like to know more about GH:Test ratio. In most of the cycles I have read in the bible it appears to be 5iu's GH for every gram of Test, but I'd like to see that confirmed and also see more info on cycling test.
this pretty much, at 15 ius, you can do up to 3 grams of test a week. Anything more than that, not sure how much more beneficial that would be.
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I think after you go on Tren A you then add GH, you get real lean and freaky, 6% bf, then when you want to add more thickness in you bring in the Test, higher the dose of Test the more gh, 5IU per gram seems right, then blast the Test and higher doses of gh, then cut or lower the Test, lower the gh, keep the Tren in, then play with Mast and Anadrol, EQ run all the time
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does anyone know when phase 4 comes out and when the god of hormones talkes about how to use insulin?
as for the ratios,,i also saw the 5iu to 1g test in phase 3, and it looks like EQ and test are run at a 1:1 ratio pretty much, correct?
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I think after you go on Tren A you then add GH.
OR VICE VERSA, YOU HAVE GH TO PRIME, THEN USE TREN TO FINISH IT OFF AFTER GH!
IF I CAN PICK DISGUSTED'S BRAIN MORE.I WANNA GO:
10-12 WEEKS OF EQ OR NPP OR TEST AT 600-100MG WITH 5-10IU GH
10-12 WEEKS OF TREN/MAST AT 300-400MG EACH, 200MG PROP WITH NO GH
RINSE AND REPEAT. ILL JUST CHANGE NPP, TEST, EQ DEPENDING ON WHAT I WANT TO PLAY WITH. PERHAPS BOTH LIKE 600MG EQ, 400MG NPP OR 500MG TEST, 500MG NPP, OR JUST ALL OUT 1 GRAM TESTOSTERONA. JUST HAVE FUN. ILL TRY TO KEEP DOSAGES IN THE 600-1000MG RANGE AND KEEP UPPING THE GH UNTIL I NEED TO UP THE AAS.
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hey bro where did u get that protocol? is that a new one? the one i saw in phase 3 was...
eq and gh for a while to prime(why the eq? not sure).
then throw in tren/prop,,,then after a while test E ata gram,,,keep everything else
then up the test and tren after a while,,,and you can drop the gh
then drop then tren,,,add in drol,,,and start the gh again!
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hey bro where did u get that protocol? is that a new one? the one i saw in phase 3 was...
eq and gh for a while to prime(why the eq? not sure).
then throw in tren/prop,,,then after a while test E ata gram,,,keep everything else
then up the test and tren after a while,,,and you can drop the gh
then drop then tren,,,add in drol,,,and start the gh again!
ITS NOT GH15'S, ITS MORE HIGH ANABOLIC/LOW TEST/HIGH GH ROUTE. DISGUSTED APPROVED.
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Id take disgusted advice over Gh15's. do what you wanna do but disgusted actually is a real guru and is well known he dosn't hide his identity and really works with pro bodybuilders. not saying Gh15 dosnt know what he is talking about but his advice is for true competing bodybuilders not gymrats. he reccomends alot of drugs and if you have not been using for awhile your going to make yourself sick.. disgusteds approach is not so hardcore.I personally know lee haney used an amp of sust everyday and anadrol ED plus nandrolone decanoate ED. he would run 1750mg of sust a week then 800mg of nandrolone . their was no NPP back then. he also loved his anadrol he ran 150mg daily for months then dropped down the test and nandrolone,plus the drol 8 weeks out Test prop everyday 100mg, Tren acetate everdyay 75mg, halotestin in big dosages he just used 2mg halo tabs but took close to 20 of them a day. he also had great genetics so that helps. He was on cycle pretty much all year. just lowered doses 8 weeks out and changed test esters dropped drol for halo. not sure about his HGH usage he didnt mention it and I was glad to hear just what he was talking about so I didnt ask about it. so im not sure how he ran his HGH or slin or even if he used them. I am sure he did use them just didnt mention that oart of his stack. hell its possible he ddnt use them.
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OR VICE VERSA, YOU HAVE GH TO PRIME, THEN USE TREN TO FINISH IT OFF AFTER GH!
IF I CAN PICK DISGUSTED'S BRAIN MORE.I WANNA GO:
10-12 WEEKS OF EQ OR NPP OR TEST AT 600-100MG WITH 5-10IU GH
10-12 WEEKS OF TREN/MAST AT 300-400MG EACH, 200MG PROP WITH NO GH
RINSE AND REPEAT. ILL JUST CHANGE NPP, TEST, EQ DEPENDING ON WHAT I WANT TO PLAY WITH. PERHAPS BOTH LIKE 600MG EQ, 400MG NPP OR 500MG TEST, 500MG NPP, OR JUST ALL OUT 1 GRAM TESTOSTERONA. JUST HAVE FUN. ILL TRY TO KEEP DOSAGES IN THE 600-1000MG RANGE AND KEEP UPPING THE GH UNTIL I NEED TO UP THE AAS.
you are dropping GH if you have hard time affording it, if you can afford it keep it on
GH15's test EQ ratio was 300mg test and 900 eq first 25 days than you add prop in.
can anyone point me to Disgusted method / protocol ?
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Id take disgusted advice over Gh15's. do what you wanna do but disgusted actually is a real guru and is well known he dosn't hide his identity and really works with pro bodybuilders. not saying Gh15 dosnt know what he is talking about but his advice is for true competing bodybuilders not gymrats. he reccomends alot of drugs and if you have not been using for awhile your going to make yourself sick.. disgusteds approach is not so hardcore.I personally know lee haney used an amp of sust everyday and anadrol ED plus nandrolone decanoate ED. he would run 1750mg of sust a week then 800mg of nandrolone . their was no NPP back then. he also loved his anadrol he ran 150mg daily for months then dropped down the test and nandrolone,plus the drol 8 weeks out Test prop everyday 100mg, Tren acetate everdyay 75mg, halotestin in big dosages he just used 2mg halo tabs but took close to 20 of them a day. he also had great genetics so that helps. He was on cycle pretty much all year. just lowered doses 8 weeks out and changed test esters dropped drol for halo. not sure about his HGH usage he didnt mention it and I was glad to hear just what he was talking about so I didnt ask about it. so im not sure how he ran his HGH or slin or even if he used them. I am sure he did use them just didnt mention that oart of his stack. hell its possible he ddnt use them.
Thanks for sharing the Lee Haney stack, his stack is very practical, im sure his GH use was not in the high IU's guys use today
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Id take disgusted advice over Gh15's. do what you wanna do but disgusted actually is a real guru and is well known he dosn't hide his identity and really works with pro bodybuilders. not saying Gh15 dosnt know what he is talking about but his advice is for true competing bodybuilders not gymrats. he reccomends alot of drugs and if you have not been using for awhile your going to make yourself sick.. disgusteds approach is not so hardcore.I personally know lee haney used an amp of sust everyday and anadrol ED plus nandrolone decanoate ED. he would run 1750mg of sust a week then 800mg of nandrolone . their was no NPP back then. he also loved his anadrol he ran 150mg daily for months then dropped down the test and nandrolone,plus the drol 8 weeks out Test prop everyday 100mg, Tren acetate everdyay 75mg, halotestin in big dosages he just used 2mg halo tabs but took close to 20 of them a day. he also had great genetics so that helps. He was on cycle pretty much all year. just lowered doses 8 weeks out and changed test esters dropped drol for halo. not sure about his HGH usage he didnt mention it and I was glad to hear just what he was talking about so I didnt ask about it. so im not sure how he ran his HGH or slin or even if he used them. I am sure he did use them just didnt mention that oart of his stack. hell its possible he ddnt use them.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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you are dropping GH if you have hard time affording it, if you can afford it keep it on
GH15's test EQ ratio was 300mg test and 900 eq first 25 days than you add prop in.
can anyone point me to Disgusted method / protocol ?
ITS NOT ANYWHERE BUT HE PREACHES HIGH ANABOLIC, NO TEST, HIGH GH CYCLES. SOMETHING EQ, DECA BASED WITH 8+IU GH DAILY.
IF I CAN AFFORD TO KEEP THE GH, I WOULD AT ALL TIMES, BUT THIS IS JUST A MONEY SAVER AT TIMES. IM GOING TO CYCLE GH UNTIL I CAN AFFORD IT YEAR-ROUND.
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not to get off topic, but where can i read more about disgusteds methods? had not heard of him, is that his username here? also still a fan of the god of hormones and can't wait to hear how he adds insulina into a cycle
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I think after you go on Tren A you then add GH, you get real lean and freaky, 6% bf, then when you want to add more thickness in you bring in the Test, higher the dose of Test the more gh, 5IU per gram seems right, then blast the Test and higher doses of gh, then cut or lower the Test, lower the gh, keep the Tren in, then play with Mast and Anadrol, EQ run all the time
Great post.
One question,how about using a high dose of deca instead of test?or is it too much of a slow mass builder?i ballooned on an only deca cycle hence my curiosity.
Anyone?
thanks
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ITS NOT ANYWHERE BUT HE PREACHES HIGH ANABOLIC, NO TEST, HIGH GH CYCLES. SOMETHING EQ, DECA BASED WITH 8+IU GH DAILY.
IF I CAN AFFORD TO KEEP THE GH, I WOULD AT ALL TIMES, BUT THIS IS JUST A MONEY SAVER AT TIMES. IM GOING TO CYCLE GH UNTIL I CAN AFFORD IT YEAR-ROUND.
I don't get the no test at all...
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I don't get the no test at all...
QUE DISGUSTED.....
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Great post.
One question,how about using a high dose of deca instead of test?or is it too much of a slow mass builder?i ballooned on an only deca cycle hence my curiosity.
Anyone?
thanks
You could use a combo of NPP and Deca, if Deca works well for you then use it all the time, Test doesnt do shit for me in high does except making me covered in hair and jerking off 6 times per day and getting lazy, Deca works great with me, same as Tren :D
Disgusted suggested only use Test if you feel you need to and even then no need go high doses, he suggested pick 2 injects, like Deca,EQ,Primo,Tren etc and an oral, Dbol,Anadrol, then thats your anabolic stack, throw in some GH if you can, eat good food, no need overeat, train hard and correctly and you will look great ;)
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You could use a combo of NPP and Deca, if Deca works well for you then use it all the time, Test doesnt do shit for me in high does except making me covered in hair and jerking off 6 times per day and getting lazy, Deca works great with me, same as Tren :D
Disgusted suggested only use Test if you feel you need to and even then no need go high doses, he suggested pick 2 injects, like Deca,EQ,Primo,Tren etc and an oral, Dbol,Anadrol, then thats your anabolic stack, throw in some GH if you can, eat good food, no need overeat, train hard and correctly and you will look great ;)
SPOT ON.
EXCEPT GH IS ABOUT FUNDS, BUT DISGUSTED I KNOW WILL SAY IT'LL MAKE THE/A DIFFERENCE.
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You could use a combo of NPP and Deca, if Deca works well for you then use it all the time, Test doesnt do shit for me in high does except making me covered in hair and jerking off 6 times per day and getting lazy, Deca works great with me, same as Tren :D
Disgusted suggested only use Test if you feel you need to and even then no need go high doses, he suggested pick 2 injects, like Deca,EQ,Primo,Tren etc and an oral, Dbol,Anadrol, then thats your anabolic stack, throw in some GH if you can, eat good food, no need overeat, train hard and correctly and you will look great ;)
So you keep it low or without test at all?
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So you keep it low or without test at all?
This year ive hardly used any Test, Jan-March I took Deca and Anadrol with GH, then i took Tren A,EQ,Mast,Winstrol for contest prep, i took Halotestin the last few weeks, GH was in there to, that was March to end of June, July to August i took 250mg Test E per day, Deca,EQ, then end of August until beginning of Oct i took Mast,NPP, Anadrol,Tren for another contest, now im still running the same stack without Anadrol, i havent used GH since August, ill do one more contest in a weeks time then ill switch my cycle to Deca,EQ,Test and GH, this will be a bulking phase, i get better gains using higher doses of Deca,Tren, EQ,Anadrol than i do using Higher doses of Test, some people get great gains off Test and others get great gains off the more Anabolic drugs like Deca, for me a good bulking cycle that gives great gains is 500mg Testanon, 900mg per week Deca, 600-900mg per week EQ with GH, you just got to find out what your body reacts to the best and stick with that, not just follow whats popular on forums ;)
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You could use a combo of NPP and Deca, if Deca works well for you then use it all the time, Test doesnt do shit for me in high does except making me covered in hair and jerking off 6 times per day and getting lazy, Deca works great with me, same as Tren :D
Disgusted suggested only use Test if you feel you need to and even then no need go high doses, he suggested pick 2 injects, like Deca,EQ,Primo,Tren etc and an oral, Dbol,Anadrol, then thats your anabolic stack, throw in some GH if you can, eat good food, no need overeat, train hard and correctly and you will look great ;)
Thank you...agreed about Test:it doesnt do much for me either..i had really good gains on deca only cycle at 900mgs x week than i had with similar doses of test.
Just like you said,some ppl have great gains on it,some dont..i belong to the latter..
Also Tren made me look much much better..and again,i used no test..
i have test in the house and i use it when i have nothing else to inject,otherwise i dont even bother...
thank you very much again for your help
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Good luck achieving that "middle eastern look". oh brother.
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This year ive hardly used any Test, Jan-March I took Deca and Anadrol with GH, then i took Tren A,EQ,Mast,Winstrol for contest prep, i took Halotestin the last few weeks, GH was in there to, that was March to end of June, July to August i took 250mg Test E per day, Deca,EQ, then end of August until beginning of Oct i took Mast,NPP, Anadrol,Tren for another contest, now im still running the same stack without Anadrol, i havent used GH since August, ill do one more contest in a weeks time then ill switch my cycle to Deca,EQ,Test and GH, this will be a bulking phase, i get better gains using higher doses of Deca,Tren, EQ,Anadrol than i do using Higher doses of Test, some people get great gains off Test and others get great gains off the more Anabolic drugs like Deca, for me a good bulking cycle that gives great gains is 500mg Testanon, 900mg per week Deca, 600-900mg per week EQ with GH, you just got to find out what your body reacts to the best and stick with that, not just follow whats popular on forums ;)
I think after you go on Tren A you then add GH, you get real lean and freaky, 6% bf, then when you want to add more thickness in you bring in the Test, higher the dose of Test the more gh, 5IU per gram seems right, then blast the Test and higher doses of gh, then cut or lower the Test, lower the gh, keep the Tren in, then play with Mast and Anadrol, EQ run all the time
Good posts.. 8)
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Good luck achieving that "middle eastern look". oh brother.
ENOUGH OF YOUR FUCKING SHIT BRO. MIDDLE EASTERN LOOK?
GH15 TALKS ABOUT CYCLING TESTOSTERONA ALL THE TIME, HOW MUCH TEST:GH RATIO, ETC. I JUST WANT MORE CLARITY AND ANSWERS.
AND THEN DISGUSTED PREACHES THE ANABOLIC + HIGH GH CYCLES. YOU GOT MORE EXPERIENCE THAN THESE TWO?
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i do something similar as regard to ''cycle'' test for example ...now im on 750 mg test +800 mg deca will run this for 10 week then drop test totaly and do 1000mg eq and 100mg Abomb this other 10 weeks then go tren+eq+var etc so what iw ant say is that maybe pass like 6 month till i use test again
i like this better than be on test all time dunno why
sry for bad english:)
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At the end of the day its night lol..
Just follow GH15 proto it works trust me, yes its expensive but if you want to give it ur all what have you too lose. If you keep doubting you will always look the same and maybe never win a show, its a personal choice after all if you want to be competitive. His phase looks like this for me
Mon - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg, 10iu hgh and 10iu insulin with each meal
Tues - Teste 250, tren a 100, mast 50
Wed - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg
Thur - EQ 250, tren a 100, mast 50
Fri - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg
Ii take the same doses of hgh and insulin on all days of the week including sat and sun, no gear on sat and sunday. Maybe gh15 can clarify if I'm on the right path and any changes maybe Ii should make
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well gh15 before use to say any 2 compounds is good for adding muscle. Test deca. Deca dbol. Test dbol. All about dose .
I believe him. About three weeks into my muttion of test only and 20 to 22lbs up.
At the end of the day its night lol..
Just follow GH15 proto it works trust me, yes its expensive but if you want to give it ur all what have you too lose. If you keep doubting you will always look the same and maybe never win a show, its a personal choice after all if you want to be competitive. His phase looks like this for me
Mon - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg, 10iu hgh and 10iu insulin with each meal
Tues - Teste 250, tren a 100, mast 50
Wed - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg
Thur - EQ 250, tren a 100, mast 50
Fri - EQ 250mg, test e 250mg, tren a 100mg, prop 50mg
Ii take the same doses of hgh and insulin on all days of the week including sat and sun, no gear on sat and sunday. Maybe gh15 can clarify if I'm on the right path and any changes maybe Ii should make
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ITS NOT ANYWHERE BUT HE PREACHES HIGH ANABOLIC, NO TEST, HIGH GH CYCLES. SOMETHING EQ, DECA BASED WITH 8+IU GH DAILY.
IF I CAN AFFORD TO KEEP THE GH, I WOULD AT ALL TIMES, BUT THIS IS JUST A MONEY SAVER AT TIMES. IM GOING TO CYCLE GH UNTIL I CAN AFFORD IT YEAR-ROUND.
disgusted doesn't reccomend to use growth hormone to get the 80's look, period. I asked him and He said forget gh,test, and slin all together and just use a shitload of anabolics.
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disgusted doesn't reccomend to use growth hormone to get the 80's look, period. I asked him and He said forget gh,test, and slin all together and just use a shitload of anabolics.
like deca and dbol?
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like deca and dbol?
ya..i know he's a fan of tren and eq as well. Lots of great bodybuilders built on those two compounds you mentioned though
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ya..i know he's a fan of tren and eq as well. Lots of great bodybuilders built on those two compounds you mentioned though
test gives me great gains but lots of side effects. So I'm always looking for a alternative. Same goes for tren. Thinking of higher doses of other stuff and no test maybe test here and there.
but curious why no test do the others suggest. Same reason I don't like it cause of side effects? What's the benefts of no test.
I think my next run will be high deca and dbol. Also for a good 80s look no test is needed ur telling me? Thanks for the info.
trying lots of differant things since coming here.
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disgusted doesn't reccomend to use growth hormone to get the 80's look, period. I asked him and He said forget gh,test, and slin all together and just use a shitload of anabolics.
Sounds good, do you know what his opinion on their diet?
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disgusted doesn't reccomend to use growth hormone to get the 80's look, period. I asked him and He said forget gh,test, and slin all together and just use a shitload of anabolics.
WHAT?
THATS NOT WHAT I GOT. HE SAID HIGH ANABOLICS, HIGH GH, NO TEST.
DIET WISE DONT OVEREAT, NO NEED TO GO CARB CRAZY, VOLUME TRAINING ONE BP PER WEEK.
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like deca and dbol?
Nandralone, EQ,Winstrol,Tren and use Dbol as you androgen choice though Tren is high androgen and anabolic :D
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WHAT?
THATS NOT WHAT I GOT. HE SAID HIGH ANABOLICS, HIGH GH, NO TEST.
DIET WISE DONT OVEREAT, NO NEED TO GO CARB CRAZY, VOLUME TRAINING ONE BP PER WEEK.
check out this quote from disgusted
There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.
You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.
NO! Have you ever seen a physique built solely on 500 mg of test? First you will not get much quality muscle size from 500 mg of test. Second, guys who use test only look terrible, red in the face, tons of water retention and always a soft look. People always forget the anabolic steroids were invented to get rid of the unwanted side effects of testosterone. Also, adding GH to an already terrible look will do nothing of benefit for you.
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check out this quote from disgusted
There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.
You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.
NO! Have you ever seen a physique built solely on 500 mg of test? First you will not get much quality muscle size from 500 mg of test. Second, guys who use test only look terrible, red in the face, tons of water retention and always a soft look. People always forget the anabolic steroids were invented to get rid of the unwanted side effects of testosterone. Also, adding GH to an already terrible look will do nothing of benefit for you.
Great post indeed
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check out this quote from disgusted
There is a lot of talk about drugs and cycles in this thread and on this board on general. Using steroids is NOT rocket science. Max listed some very good steroids for muscle gains that can take a guy to the limit for muscle gains and produce a very large and symmetrical physique. It is the drugs that produce the muscle size that you see on these guys, not the special training or the special protein supplements. I've met some very large and unfortunately some very dumb bodybuilders in my day. Some (not all) don't even have a clue about what to eat or have a lot of knowledge about lifting.
You also do not need to spend your life savings to add 30 pounds of muscle to your physique. Forget about spending thousands on GH. Pick 4 to 5 anabolics that you like and respond to, use two to three and at time and let your body reach it's limit in muscle size before increasing the dose. This is the biggest mistake I see guys making. Make sure to eat some good food. DO NOT GET FAT! Eat enough, but not TOO much. When you increase your dose increase the food intake but only slightly and increase all your macros pretty much proportionately. Remember, more size equal more drugs, but only when you have exhausted the potential of the milligrams of anabolics that you are on.
NO! Have you ever seen a physique built solely on 500 mg of test? First you will not get much quality muscle size from 500 mg of test. Second, guys who use test only look terrible, red in the face, tons of water retention and always a soft look. People always forget the anabolic steroids were invented to get rid of the unwanted side effects of testosterone. Also, adding GH to an already terrible look will do nothing of benefit for you.
YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT ACCOUNT. BUT I REMMEBER SOMEONE ASKING DISGUSTED FOR THE 80'S, 70S LOOK AND HE SAID HIGH ANABOLICS, HIGH GH CYCLES, NO TEST.
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Test on it's own is garbage. Cheap shitty drug. It's good stacked with other anabolics but on it's own it's for gymrats with not a lot of money to spare. I'm running test only right now because I ran out of masteron I don't have anything to stack it with. Test only makes you look bloofy and soft.
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Test on it's own is garbage. Cheap shitty drug. It's good stacked with other anabolics but on it's own it's for gymrats with not a lot of money to spare. I'm running test only right now because I ran out of masteron I don't have anything to stack it with. Test only makes you look bloofy and soft.
There was something about the Eastern European guys... I remember reading that they believe heavy androgens (such as test) actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth...so test is kept at relatively low doses and the anabolics are used to grow. Makes sense.. I have never met a guy who got massive on testosterone only. Test and dbol yes, eq and deca yes, but never test only.
"No One": talked about this the other day how all he needs to do is add an anabolic like anavar and it shits on high doses of test.
also can't stand the red bloated look it gives to the face, my complexion is fucking disgusting. All those sides to look like shit and gain a few pounds of "bloofy muscle" that you cant see anyways until you come off it, but by the time you do the gains dissapear anyways lol. Test by itself is good for one thing: looking good in a sweatshirt
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There was something about the Eastern European guys... I remember reading that they believe heavy androgens (such as test) actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth...so test is kept at relatively low doses and the anabolics are used to grow. Makes sense.. I have never met a guy who got massive on testosterone only. Test and dbol yes, eq and deca yes, but never test only.
"No One": talked about this the other day how all he needs to do is add an anabolic like anavar and it shits on high doses of test.
also can't stand the red bloated look it gives to the face, my complexion is fucking disgusting. All those sides to look like shit and gain a few pounds of "bloofy muscle" that you cant see anyways until you come off it, but by the time you do the gains dissapear anyways lol. Test by itself is good for one thing: looking good in a sweatshirt
Agreed bro. It has to be stacked with some anabolics. I want to try something different. Maybe deca and dbol or real low dose of tren and low dose of test and good oral. I've been in the same rut using test all the time. It's so cheap and widely available and I can really tolerate the sides. I don't really get any except bloat.
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zero chance he said slin w/o gh, gh15 goes into detail on test in phase 3, and npp was around before deca I believe, always been around
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There was something about the Eastern European guys... I remember reading that they believe heavy androgens (such as test) actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth...so test is kept at relatively low doses and the anabolics are used to grow. Makes sense.. I have never met a guy who got massive on testosterone only. Test and dbol yes, eq and deca yes, but never test only.
"No One": talked about this the other day how all he needs to do is add an anabolic like anavar and it shits on high doses of test.
also can't stand the red bloated look it gives to the face, my complexion is fucking disgusting. All those sides to look like shit and gain a few pounds of "bloofy muscle" that you cant see anyways until you come off it, but by the time you do the gains dissapear anyways lol. Test by itself is good for one thing: looking good in a sweatshirt
And get yourself horny all day long :)
About the Eastern European guys i think it's also the food, hell i think it's a whole different thinking about bodybuilding.
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ALSO FORGIVE MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY ANABOLICS I KNOW OF ARE DECA, EQ, PRIMO, AND I GUESS U CAN COUNT TREN. UNLESS WE COUNT ORALS. WHAT OTHER INJECTABLE ANABOLICS ARE THERE?
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ALSO FORGIVE MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY ANABOLICS I KNOW OF ARE DECA, EQ, PRIMO, AND I GUESS U CAN COUNT TREN. UNLESS WE COUNT ORALS. WHAT OTHER INJECTABLE ANABOLICS ARE THERE?
Water based Winstrol - Masteron though "classed" as an androgen doesn't aromatize so you could put it in with the Anabolics I guess, and it does have a higher anabolic to androgen ratio of 62/25... even halo has stronger anabolic to androgen properties.. stacking Mast with the above anabolics(not all at once ;D ) would be a good cycle.
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Water based Winstrol - Masteron though "classed" as an androgen doesn't aromatize so you could put it in with the Anabolics I guess, and it does have a higher anabolic to androgen ratio of 62/25... even halo has stronger anabolic to androgen properties.. stacking Mast with the above anabolics(not all at once ;D ) would be a good cycle.
Anadrol has a high anabolic rating too, seems people these days think of Anadrol as just a bloofy water gains drug but its a great anabolic for building tissue i had great results with an Anadrol and Deca cycle earlier this year :D
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Water based Winstrol - Masteron though "classed" as an androgen doesn't aromatize so you could put it in with the Anabolics I guess, and it does have a higher anabolic to androgen ratio of 62/25... even halo has stronger anabolic to androgen properties.. stacking Mast with the above anabolics(not all at once ;D ) would be a good cycle.
WELL FUCK ME. I JUST HAD THE WORSE NEWS OF MY EVER-SO ADVENTUROUS. LOOKS LIKE IM JUST GONNA LOW DOSE CRUISE UNTIL IM BETTER.
FIRST INJURY AND A BAD ONE. MEAN TIME ILL WORK MORE, GET MORE $$$ AND GET BIG A LITTLE LATER. FUCK. I WAS MAKING SUCH FINE PROGRESS.
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ALSO FORGIVE MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY ANABOLICS I KNOW OF ARE DECA, EQ, PRIMO, AND I GUESS U CAN COUNT TREN. UNLESS WE COUNT ORALS. WHAT OTHER INJECTABLE ANABOLICS ARE THERE?
you forgot dbol! ;)
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Anadrol has a high anabolic rating too, seems people these days think of Anadrol as just a bloofy water gains drug but its a great anabolic for building tissue i had great results with an Anadrol and Deca cycle earlier this year :D
love anadrol. Im gonna run anadrol and tren pretty soon.
Is tren considered an androgen or anabolic..or is it in a different class of steroids?
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love anadrol. Im gonna run anadrol and tren pretty soon.
Is tren considered an androgen or anabolic..or is it in a different class of steroids?
It's both but doesnt aromatise like the testosterone based androgens (being a 19 nor) , it has a 500/500 ratio meaning its 500 more times anabolic and androgenic than testosterone which is 100/100 off the top of my head.
Nandralones Androgenic/Anabolic ratio is 37/125 so you can see how powerful fina is :D
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My favort cycle after all this year is, 300 Test based year around and cycle orals , like anaver, tbol, drol..
Tren is good but can't stand the side and GH is really overrated....just my opinion
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My favort cycle after all this year is, 300 Test based year around and cycle orals , like anaver, tbol, drol..
Tren is good but can't stand the side and GH is really overrated....just my opinion
How can you say that?
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perhaps he got some bunk GH, lots of scumbags out there selling fake crap
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I dont know if this is considered cycling test..but I dropped it to 250mg a week for 5-6 weeks now and im stronger and "leaner" (most of the water weight if off).
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I dont know if this is considered cycling test..but I dropped it to 250mg a week for 5-6 weeks now and im stronger and "leaner" (most of the water weight if off).
keep it other 2 weeks then drop it totally and up teh anabolics and use 20mg dbol...i think u will liek it meso :)