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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Swede! on October 18, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
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Now, I pretty much Never start threads like these. But this is something I have mentioned a few times which most americans doesn't seem to understand. And which is pointed out in this video.
"This speech is called "Imagine" and it was given by Ron Paul on March 11, 2009."
Why does he make so much sense and people like adonis etc calls him stupid?
Would the opinions change is 25.000 chinese/arab people built a few bases in america?
Do people still believe its to "keep you safe" ? and its Unamerican to complain? ::) :)
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well if china was a mostly good intentioned super power that funded the vast majority of the worlds military intelligence and we had large groups of civilians dedicating their lives to the destruction and murdering of the chinese people as well as any of our own who oppose them then id say china would have every right to be here and i would support their presence.
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In bankrupt America no one gives a shit as long as McDonald's accepts Visa 8)
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well if china was a mostly good
lol! you're kidding right? ;D
Do you think "terrorism" has increased or gotten worse after Americans decided to "help out" in those countries?
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on the other hand, we really cant afford to do all this police work. instead of letting the world go to shit and allowing terrorists, extremists, and dictators to go unchecked, we ought to just ram sack their shit once and for all and start collecting taxes to pay for what we are already doing.
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Well at least you guys didn't get a nobel peace price for stealing oil
oh.
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on the other hand, we really cant afford to do all this police work. instead of letting the world go to shit and allowing terrorists, extremists, and dictators to go unchecked, we ought to just ram sack their shit once and for all and start collecting taxes to pay for what we are already doing.
Greedy people in power seems to be ruining america with all of this military shit? the "threat against america" would decrese A LOT if you guys didn't occopy their land and killed civilians thats for sure.
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lol! you're kidding right? ;D
Do you think "terrorism" has increased or gotten worse after Americans decided to "help out" in those countries?
the ability of the terrorists to coordinate and execute their attacks has decreased, but their recruitment propaganda has gained power exponentially..
did america handle things wrong.. ya.. but we were trying to do the right thing, trying to help defeat the murderous ideology of fundamental islam
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but their recruitment propaganda has gained power exponentially..
you do understand why correct?
I think your trying to Create conflict as a reason to Stay and take the oil/opium.
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Greedy people in power seems to be ruining america with all of this military shit? the "threat against america" would decrese A LOT if you guys didn't occopy their land and killed civilians thats for sure.
true to an extent... but we cant change the past, the extremist already exist and now me must deal with them or let them grow and gain influence
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you do understand why correct?
because people are ignorant, mainly
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true to an extent... but we cant change the past, the extremist already exist and now me must deal with them or let them grow and gain influence
that will only make it worse. You cannot just take over someones land like that. Doesn't work. The people Are starting to change. they Are starting to take down their own dictators (DSont know if america has a hand in this planning)
So let them do that and leave and focus on America? =)
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because people are ignorant, mainly
Agreed. I would say Americans plays the biggest role in that though. Leave. Focus on America. (you know like a certian someone with a nobel peace prize claimed you would)
You're not helping out where you dont have financial interests correct?
And dont get me wrong, swedish military is also helping you guys which is equally fucked up.
But if someone killed 60.000+ civilians in sweden, I would probably become a fucking "jihad" "terrorist" wouldn't you? The answe is yes. so until it Stops there is no "getting better"
Once again though, why do people hate ron paul? Dont link other vids etc. Comment on exactly what he has to say in the video.
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that will only make it worse. You cannot just take over someones land like that. Doesn't work. The people Are starting to change. they Are starting to take down their own dictators (DSont know if america has a hand in this planning)
So let them do that and leave and focus on America? =)
look at pakistan for an example of what happens when we allow them to run their own shit. or afghanistan in 2000. the "arab spring" didnt effect those places where fundamental islam is strongest. anti-american extremism is at its all time highest in those places. and the arab spring was most likely organized in part by al qaeda, it has been their goa to bring down the dictators in arab countries. it may seem like a good thing now, but in a year or two when we see who comes to power in those countries we may not think it was such a good thing afterall. really the solution for these arab countries is to stop being "poltically correct" and call out the nation of islam for its support of the jihad and the inherent flaw of looking to muhammad as a prophet, a man who used violence in the name of god, despite all his teachings of peace and love. education works.
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In bankrupt America no one gives a shit as long as McDonald's accepts Visa 8)
LMAO. the world really sees us as some fat pigs huh?
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The only thing I can Imagine is Why did I click on this Thread - couldnt watch the whole thing - Narrator said Imagine too many times.
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You're not helping out where you dont have financial interests correct?
And dont get me wrong, swedish military is also helping you guys which is equally fucked up.
But if someone killed 60.000+ civilians in sweden, I would probably become a fucking "jihad" "terrorist" wouldn't you? The answe is yes. so until it Stops there is no "getting better"
Once again though, why do people hate ron paul? Dont link other vids etc. Comment on exactly what he has to say in the video.
there isnt any financial interest in afghanistan or libya. iraq, eh, maybe.
it depends on why the people were killed..
on ron paul.. i think most americans actually like him.. the mdeia wont give him the time of day though. and for good reason. he is an extremist who blindly follows his libertarian ideology without concern for commen sense. his idea of abolishing the federal reserve is a perfect example.
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look at pakistan for an example of what happens when we allow them to run their own shit. or afghanistan in 2000. the "arab spring" didnt effect those places where fundamental islam is strongest. anti-american extremism is at its all time highest in those places. and the arab spring was most likely organized in part by al qaeda, it has been their goa to bring down the dictators in arab countries. it may seem like a good thing now, but in a year or two when we see who comes to power in those countries we may not think it was such a good thing afterall. really the solution for these arab countries is to stop being "poltically correct" and call out the nation of islam for its support of the jihad and the inherent flaw of looking to muhammad as a prophet, a man who used violence in the name of god, despite all his teachings of peace and love. education works.
let them. Why do you care? It cant get worse. The people are begining to change.
"inherent flaw of looking to muhammad as a prophet"
How about the flaw of claiming to be christian and killing people?
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In bankrupt America no one gives a shit as long as McDonald's accepts Visa 8)
Post of the year ;D
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Plus it's shaking already. Human rights are stripped, freedom of speech is mainly a beautiful chapter in history books, own people are turning against the country, whispers about certain states wanting independence occur here and there... They monitor their own people like no tomorrow, beat them on streets...
But my "GOD!" Dont bring back the military because that would be horrible ;D
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The only thing I can Imagine is Why did I click on this Thread - couldnt watch the whole thing - Narrator said Imagine too many times.
exactly,
I was looking forward to seeing some real things happening in Texas, but disappointingly, everything in that video is based on "imagine".
so Chinese=terrorists now? ???
but meanwhile, our government just sent some troops to Uganda to protect democracy there ::) :-X
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so Chinese=terrorists now? ???
Is that what you got out of the video? lol
...Typical American ;D
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let them. Why do you care? It cant get worse. The people are begining to change.
"inherent flaw of looking to muhammad as a prophet"
How about the flaw of claiming to be christian and killing people?
christ didnt advocate violence for any reason, not even self defense. if a christian is violen they do so in contradiction to their faith. if a muslim is violent they can do so in complete harmony with their faith.
yes, it can get worse. or at the least, they can continue to organize and plot attacks against us and other countries, continuing killing innocent dissidents in their own countries. the biggest terrorists in muslim countries are muslims themselves, something many people completely overlook or dont realize. americans are doing the moderate and innocent people of those countris a huge favor by fighting the extremists who would have them beheaded if they did not support their fundamental ideals.
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Is that what you got out of the video? lol
...Typical American ;D
no, to be frank, I didn't finish the video, so I don't know exactly what the video is about
and funny thing is why do care so much about the US but you are not even an american
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christ didnt advocate violence for any reason, not even self defense. if a christian is violen they do so in contradiction to their faith. if a muslim is violent they can do so in complete harmony with their faith.
The koran also speaks about Not killing anyone. So you can claim the same thing there. Terrorist doesn't care about thwat their religion Really say, they twist and turn the words to fit their Agenda.
Lile Terrorists Americans are doing right now. And Like "jihad" are doing right now.
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no, to be frank, I didn't finish the video, so I don't know exactly what the video is about
and funny thing is why do care so much about the US but you are not even an american
So why did you comment on something you didnt pay attention to? why would you do such a thing?
I care So much? How many threads have I created about the subject in lets say, the last year? Since you have to base the "so much" on something correct?
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So why did you comment on something you didnt pay attention to? why would you do such a thing?
I care So much? How many threads have I created about the subject in lets say, the last year?
so what's your point to post this video as a non-american
:D
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so what's your point to post this video as a non-american
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Do you Never pay any attention? like reading the First post for example?
"This speech is called "Imagine" and it was given by Ron Paul on March 11, 2009."
Why does he make so much sense and people like adonis etc calls him stupid?
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The koran also speaks about Not killing anyone. So you can claim the same thing there. Terrorist doesn't care about thwat their religion Really say, they twist and turn the words to fit their Agenda.
Lile Terrorists Americans are doing right now. And Like "jihad" are doing right now.
the koran contradicts itself and anyone who follows muhammad as an example will see violence as perfectly ok
no, al qaeda is motivated by religion, and religion alone.
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the koran contradicts itself and anyone who follows muhammad as an example will see violence as perfectly ok
100% Wrong. Many Muslims dont advocate violence At all.
They dont have a "love your enemy" though, becuase having that in your "bible" and then starting a bunch of wars would be Crazy. Especially in a country where religion is a big part and you even have it on your money. "in god we trust" so why no trust the bible?
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I have a few more min before its updating the site time lol.
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the koran contradicts itself and anyone who follows muhammad as an example will see violence as perfectly ok
no, al qaeda is motivated by religion, and religion alone.
They are motivated by their ideology, religion is used merely as a tool to achieve this.
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100% Wrong. Many Muslims dont advocate violence At all.
They dont have a "love your enemy" though, becuase having that in your "bible" and then starting a bunch of wars would be Crazy. Especially in a country where religion is a big part and you even have it on your money. "in god we trust" so why no trust the bible?
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I have a few more min before its updating the site time lol.
100% right.
the vast majority of muslims dont advocate muslims.
but thats because they overlook the life of muhammad and his later teachings, and instead focus on the good teachings found early in the quaran.
your repeated references towards "chirstians" who partake in violence is mute. no where in the teachings of christ can you find anything to support violence. in fact christ said your supposed to give the perpetrators of violence even more oppurtunity to commit sin, to show them the power of love.
"in god we trust" doesnt mean "in the bible we trust", or even "in jesus we trust". it only means what it says and nothing else. if someone believes the bible is the word of god, or that jesus is god, that is their own belief and not representational of what that phrase on the dollar stands for.
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They are motivated by their ideology, religion is used merely as a tool to achieve this.
their ideology is global domination by islam, a world wide caliphate where strict islamic fundamentalism is enforced and all dissidents are beheaded. they are motivated by religion and religion alone. they dont hide this fact. now, the poverty and oppression in their lands does foster the development of alienated and angry individuals who are more succeptible to falling into an extremist ideology.. but that is not what motivates them. it is the quaran, the life of muhammad, and the many islamic scholars who have extrapilated pieces of scripture and turned them into directives towards that goal of islamic domination by way of violence. .
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your repeated references towards "chirstians" who partake in violence is mute. no where in the teachings of christ can you find anything to support violence. in fact christ said your supposed to give the perpetrators of violence even more oppurtunity to commit sin, to show them the power of love
ffs Tbombz, that IS my point lol. And then the irony if your military, or obama. Claiming to be christian.
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ffs Tbombz, that IS my point lol. And then the irony if your military, or obama. Claiming to be christian.
well in the context of government one can not follow such a pacifistic ideology.
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well in the context of government one can not follow such a pacifistic ideology.
So why call yourself christian then?
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So why call yourself christian then?
personally i think one would have to admit they are acting in a way contradictory to their faith if they are a christian who supports or partakes in any form of violence, for any reason.
BUT
there has been thousands of years of christian philosophers who have dedicated themselves to the defense of military and police action
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War
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Good points by Swede.
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the ability of the terrorists to coordinate and execute their attacks has decreased, but their recruitment propaganda has gained power exponentially..
did america handle things wrong.. ya.. but we were trying to do the right thing, trying to help defeat the murderous ideology of fundamental islam
Sure it has Tay-tay, sure it has ::) Let's look at Fallujah shall we, how many years on from the near destruction of that city are we?? Still it's a NO-GO area for American troops. LOL
How about Ramadi?? every time a convoy goes with-in city limits they get RPG'ed & shot to shit, now they do not go ::) Ramadi is more dangerous now than it was in 2005, fucking moron.
Carry on watching CNN Gaylor.
Your troops changed fuck all you idiot, with the exception of recruitment propaganda.
PT
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the koran contradicts itself and anyone who follows muhammad as an example will see violence as perfectly ok
no, al qaeda is motivated by religion, and religion alone.
Now he is an expert on Islam ::) places where fundamental islam is strongest.
& it's fundamentalist Islam, not fundamental, you are mental, yes. I don't know about the fundy part though.
Oh, & a new sentence starts with a capital letter, & this tool is supposed to be at school :o
personally i think one would have to admit
Personally I think that one would have to called out as a pretentious kunt, for saying one, instead of "you would have to............."
HRH Taylor, the synthol freak.
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the ability of the terrorists to coordinate and execute their attacks has decreased,
30 mins in. The 82'nd air-born go into Fallujah on a "kick some ass" mission, losing MANY hearts & minds. The 82'nd have a reputation for spray & pray with the .50 cal, when fired upon.
listen to some of the comments from the troops = "ya know, we have never invaded a county that had a McDonald's" - "yeah, if they had a Taco-Bell we never would a had to fuck wid dem" ::) "these guys are foodayiiin, froodayin, who'da ya say it" (soldier out of shot) "Fedayeen" (1'st soldier) "yeah dats dem" - Yep, the cream of the crop right there.
The best bit is at 1hr 15 mins in. The bunch of young guys who are guarding the bridge get wasted, the resistance send a suicide bomber in with a truck full of Iranian 105mm artillery shells & take the entire bridge out. The resistance filmed it, so you see it from both sides - the guys under the bridge & the suicide bomber praying before the mission, then the explosion BOOM
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good ad for Paul.