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Pretty good return on investment. Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.
Obama about to do his victory lap speech. US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.
Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?
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Pretty good return on investment. Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.
Obama about to do his victory lap speech. US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.
Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?
How many today? By now - given that you are about 33 y/o - 4 - 5?
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how many what?
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$2 bil isn't a bad price tag for the return - one dead terrorist dictator.
you think about the billions we spend on ball washing, tax breaks for exxon, handouts to pakistan, etc...
$2bil for that is a good deal. If you asked anyone if $6bil would be with hugo, achmedijahad, and nkorea fallen - even RPaul would prob say yes!
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I think it was local forces using US technology. From what this article posting says :
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Fifteen pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns lay burned out, smashed and smoldering next to an electricity sub station some 20 meters from the main road, about two miles west of Sirte.
They had clearly been hit by a force far beyond anything the motley army the former rebels have assembled during eight months of revolt to overthrow the once feared leader.
But there was no bomb crater, indicating the strike may have been carried out by a helicopter gunship, or had been strafed by a fighter jet.
Inside the trucks still in their seats sat the charred skeletal remains of drivers and passengers killed instantly by the strike. Other bodies lay mutilated and contorted strewn in the grass. Some 50 bodies in all.
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so we got intel they're hiding in this dogfood factory...
we sneak in and strafe the shit out of them with heavy gunfire.
we send in our guys with a handful of local to clean up and make sure there's a body to show off on tv. Good reason for no bomb crater.
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Blueprint provided for how to do it. For once we can thank Bush for showing how not to go about removing dictators.
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Blueprint provided for how to do it. For once we can thank Bush for showing how not to go about removing dictators.
are you saying Bush agreeing to pay NKorea a million barrels of oil to stop setting off nukes = not effective?
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are you saying Bush agreeing to pay NKorea a million barrels of oil to stop setting off nukes = not effective?
I was referring to the Iraq invasion. Diplomacy is effective and requires concessions to be made. If giving NK a million barrels brings about peace, then that's a good solution. I don't know exactly what was asked for and given so can't comment much further.
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U would,,because the world is full or roses and unicorns. This was all bullsit.
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U would,,because the world is full or roses and unicorns. This was all bullsit.
Oh yeah because showing force at every turn has really done us well right? ::)
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Are u blind. Iran...china...N. Korea..the various terrorist groups not named AQ..Russia. They smell weakness and see libya for what it was. It illustrated to Russia and China that they need not fear "NATO". They see Obama go into Libya to protect the people...no evidence mind you of any massacre...however plenty in Syria....crickets there. Its all bullshit.
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Are u blind. Iran...china...N. Korea..the various terrorist groups not named AQ..Russia. They smell weakness and see libya for what it was. It illustrated to Russia and China that they need not fear "NATO". They see Obama go into Libya to protect the people...no evidence mind you of any massacre...however plenty in Syria....crickets there. Its all bullshit.
Oh no they need not fear us! What will we do? ::) Fu*k off with your fear mongering bullsh*t. It may work in procuring more money for the armed forces but it doesn't do sh*t for me.
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Christ...are all you Libs..limp wristed fags. Do u have any grasp of history at all. You at the very least naive as hell.
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Christ...are all you Libs..limp wristed fags. Do u have any grasp of history at all. You at the very least naive as hell.
Yeah because the procurement of billions of dollars of weapons and the use of force instead of diplomacy is needed right? ::)
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Yeah because the procurement of billions of dollars of weapons and the use of force instead of diplomacy is needed right? ::)
What good is diplomacy if you nothing but your cock in your hand to back it up?
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If you don't understand history...u cannot argue this or any point. Besides did we use diplomacy to oust dingbat..no we used nutbag jihadi's and close air support. Ol Mumar wasn't going to roll over for the UN....it took predators and Mirages...and he still hung on for months.
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Return on investment?? What was the investment?
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Return on investment?? What was the investment?
biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.
Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.
and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices. We all know that.
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biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.
Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.
and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices. We all know that.
tell me again why you support RP?
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biden said today: 2 billion dollars and zero US lives.
Pretty fair deal for a dictator killing thousands of his own - and 200 americans.
and the EU will twist the shit out of the new guys in charge for good oil prices. We all know that.
So the "investment" was killing this guy in exchange for Libya's new government, whomever that may be, lower the price of oil?
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What good is diplomacy if you nothing but your cock in your hand to back it up?
Good point. Diplomacy depends on a balance and right now we have more than enough force if need be. The idea we need to keep spending billions more on 'bad guys' is nothing more than the military industrial complex at work. We should have listened to Eisenhower.
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So the "investment" was killing this guy in exchange for Libya's new government, whomever that may be, lower the price of oil?
there were lots of motives for toppling kadaffi. most of all, he promised to kill tens of thousands of his own citizens. but this will give us more control over oil prices, does ecaxt revenge and set an example that "even if it takes decades - if you kill americans - we will kill you".
At least one of the potential replacements "lived" in virginia for the last 20 years and has no employment history despite huge influrnce. if that doesn't scream US plant puppet, I dont know what does.
The uS history is that we install leaders who play very friendly with it. iraq, afghanistan. They let us do what we want. I suspect this will be the case again. They get to stay rich, and we retain big decision making power.
Obama came out of htis one looking very good. It pisses off ppl who hate him, I get that. the trivial shit youre complaing about - it took too long, who cares, it's been 30 years since kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans.... that's sour grapes.
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Pretty good return on investment. Those numbers are from Biden, minutes ago.
Obama about to do his victory lap speech. US spearheads the efforts, uses local rebels to get the work done.
Doesn't spend a lot of $, no lives lost - one major bad guy gone.
Oh - and the NATO strikes were flushing out the area to make this possible - french carried out the nato strike?
Obama has taken more victory laps than any president in recent memory
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Obama has taken more victory laps than any president in recent memory
he's a smug and pompous prick about it, no doubt. and when they backfire (have any?) he looks like shit on it.
But he does kill an assload of bad guys. That's a great thing.
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Obama has taken more victory laps than any president in recent memory
Correct
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there were lots of motives for toppling kadaffi. most of all, he promised to kill tens of thousands of his own citizens. but this will give us more control over oil prices, does ecaxt revenge and set an example that "even if it takes decades - if you kill americans - we will kill you".
At least one of the potential replacements "lived" in virginia for the last 20 years and has no employment history despite huge influrnce. if that doesn't scream US plant puppet, I dont know what does.
The uS history is that we install leaders who play very friendly with it. iraq, afghanistan. They let us do what we want. I suspect this will be the case again. They get to stay rich, and we retain big decision making power.
Obama came out of htis one looking very good. It pisses off ppl who hate him, I get that. the trivial shit youre complaing about - it took too long, who cares, it's been 30 years since kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans.... that's sour grapes.
I see. Another war for oil (or oil prices). Just like Iraq. lol . . .
Where did I complain about how long this took?
I have criticized the fact he started this war to begin with and his dishonesty about the scope of our involvement, along with his intellectual dishonesty about when the CIC can use force.
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I see. Another war for oil (or oil prices). Just like Iraq. lol . . .
Where did I complain about how long this took?
I have criticized the fact he started this war to begin with and his dishonesty about the scope of our involvement, along with his intellectual dishonesty about when the CIC can use force.
all wars go longer than you think they will....so don't even try to pull that card out of a hat....the fact is Obama got Ghadafi like he said he would......with minimal cost... and no loss of American life.....
KEEP CRYING..this is entertaining
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I thought it was a matter of days not weeks or some shit like that. Who cares.....
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I thought it was a matter of days not weeks or some shit like that. Who cares.....
are you STILL here crying???
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Where did I complain about how long this took?
your messiah marco rubio did.
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I thought it was a matter of days not weeks or some shit like that. Who cares.....
I dont' see you complaining that Bush's war continued about 6 years after mission accomplished banner flew...
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are you STILL here crying???
When Obama looses and he and chewy have to pack their trash....will u leave getbig forever? If islamists take over in Libya...or the 20K surface to air missiles..or other weapons are used against the US or Western interests/people..will u admit that your fucking retard n chief was wrong.
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all wars go longer than you think they will....so don't even try to pull that card out of a hat....the fact is Obama got Ghadafi like he said he would......with minimal cost... and no loss of American life.....
KEEP CRYING..this is entertaining
What the heck are you talking about? Who complained about the length of this war??
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I dont' see you complaining that Bush's war continued about 6 years after mission accomplished banner flew...
It wasn't his banner..its was the ships banner...but he fucked up the pic so his people own that screw up.
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What the heck are you talking about? Who complained about the length of this war??
Marco Rubio. 3 hours ago.
"I think the president did the right thing, he just took too long to do it"
That's your 2012 VP choice, right? Supports obama, but complains it took too long?
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It wasn't his banner..its was the ships banner...but he fucked up the pic so his people own that screw up.
which is why i'm NOT criticizing bush - I'm criticizing ppl who hate on obama for taking too long, but didn't make a peep when it took Bush so long in iraq when his admin said it would be over quickly.
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I don't have an issue with the time line..war is hard. I care that we're at the same place we were in 2003..without guys like me sitting in a 70 ton monster. This is Iraq 2011. Now what and why? What because Obama did it..its cool. These assholes will killing each other inside a month and then what. The damm Europeans will have to send in troops and that won't go well....etc..etc.
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your messiah marco rubio did.
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the trivial shit youre complaing about - it took too long, who cares, it's been 30 years since kadaffi blew up a plane full of americans.... that's sour grapes.
1. Make Shit Up
Don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Can't quite keep up with the conversation? Or maybe you're just completely lost but want to contribute to the board anyway?
Don't worry, just make some shit up.
It really looks impressive if you throw out some statistics too. Do you know what the Vice President of Engineering for Cisco makes each year and pays in taxes? Nope. But it doesn't matter. Just claim all rich people only pay 8% in taxes and that everybody else is getting screwed over. It always looks good when you make shit up while portraying yourself as the underdog.
Do you really know how many people actually need food? Have you been actively keeping up with abortion statistics in the United States? Do you really follow oil futures? Who cares? Just make a claim and use a high enough percentage to be plausible, but low enough that nobody will probably question. 9 times out of 10, nobody's going to bother checking your bullshit. If they do, just move to Rules #2-4.
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Wow, only a few billion to secure oil for Europe and to arm terrorists. HUZZAH!!!!
The anti-war crowd is now cheering for war. Hilarious. 240, who couldn't shut the fuck up about Bush's illegal war, is sitting here blowing his hero over his own illegal war. Got to love leftist hypocrisy.
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Marco Rubio. 3 hours ago.
"I think the president did the right thing, he just took too long to do it"
That's your 2012 VP choice, right? Supports obama, but complains it took too long?
Quote from: Skip8282 on September 01, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
1. Make Shit Up
Don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Can't quite keep up with the conversation? Or maybe you're just completely lost but want to contribute to the board anyway?
Don't worry, just make some shit up.
It really looks impressive if you throw out some statistics too. Do you know what the Vice President of Engineering for Cisco makes each year and pays in taxes? Nope. But it doesn't matter. Just claim all rich people only pay 8% in taxes and that everybody else is getting screwed over. It always looks good when you make shit up while portraying yourself as the underdog.
Do you really know how many people actually need food? Have you been actively keeping up with abortion statistics in the United States? Do you really follow oil futures? Who cares? Just make a claim and use a high enough percentage to be plausible, but low enough that nobody will probably question. 9 times out of 10, nobody's going to bother checking your bullshit. If they do, just move to Rules #2-4.
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i posted his exact quote. Just because you don't know what's going on in the world, BB:
Watch the video here. And don't accuse me of making shit up. You're wrong here, beach bum.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carney-responds-to-foxs-ed-henry-on-marco-rubio-remarks-this-is-not-the-day-for-politics/
In a written statement, House Speaker John Boehner called Gadhafi's death a "turning point in the Libyan people's pursuit of freedom."
Other lawmakers, however, continued to criticize Obama for his handling of the mission.
"He did the right things, he just took too long to do it," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., told Fox News.
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beach bum, it's been on fox news all day long. RUBIO crediting UK and FR for their war success lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then he said it took too long.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carney-responds-to-foxs-ed-henry-on-marco-rubio-remarks-this-is-not-the-day-for-politics/
No need to accuse me of making shit up when I posted the exact quote. google had it all day too.
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i posted his exact quote. Just because you don't know what's going on in the world, BB:
Watch the video here. And don't accuse me of making shit up. You're wrong here, beach bum.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carney-responds-to-foxs-ed-henry-on-marco-rubio-remarks-this-is-not-the-day-for-politics/
In a written statement, House Speaker John Boehner called Gadhafi's death a "turning point in the Libyan people's pursuit of freedom."
Other lawmakers, however, continued to criticize Obama for his handling of the mission.
"He did the right things, he just took too long to do it," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., told Fox News.
Good grief. You claiming that I (not Rubio) complained about the war being long = making stuff up.
You saying Rubio was my "hero" = making stuff up.
You saying Rubio is my VP choice = making stuff up.
Happens all the time. I just felt like addressing it today. :)
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lolzers. your messiah if marco rubio. he's your 2012 Palin. you will claim his stellar 14 months in congress prepare him to be POTUS. You will claim his legislative prowess destroys that of Biden.
Your messiah Rubio praised france and UK on this day that an american predator fired a rocket to cripple the convoy, ending an american led military action.
And his petty ass complained that it took too long. Really.
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Billions of dollars spent to acquire oil for Eurotrash that can't afford to pay for it because they've spent decades spending themselves into bankruptcy. Hooray!
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Billions of dollars spent to acquire oil for Eurotrash that can't afford to pay for it because they've spent decades spending themselves into bankruptcy. Hooray!
they're our allies.
i'd rather see a stronger EU than a stronger middle east.
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lolzers. your messiah if marco rubio. he's your 2012 Palin. you will claim his stellar 14 months in congress prepare him to be POTUS. You will claim his legislative prowess destroys that of Biden.
Your messiah Rubio praised france and UK on this day that an american predator fired a rocket to cripple the convoy, ending an american led military action.
And his petty ass complained that it took too long. Really.
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Quote from: Skip8282 on September 01, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
1. Make Shit Up
Don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Can't quite keep up with the conversation? Or maybe you're just completely lost but want to contribute to the board anyway?
Don't worry, just make some shit up.
It really looks impressive if you throw out some statistics too. Do you know what the Vice President of Engineering for Cisco makes each year and pays in taxes? Nope. But it doesn't matter. Just claim all rich people only pay 8% in taxes and that everybody else is getting screwed over. It always looks good when you make shit up while portraying yourself as the underdog.
Do you really know how many people actually need food? Have you been actively keeping up with abortion statistics in the United States? Do you really follow oil futures? Who cares? Just make a claim and use a high enough percentage to be plausible, but low enough that nobody will probably question. 9 times out of 10, nobody's going to bother checking your bullshit. If they do, just move to Rules #2-4.
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they're our allies.
i'd rather see a stronger EU than a stronger middle east.
Allies? Could have fooled me. The only country worth a shit is Germany. The rest are good-for-nothing, insolvent deadbeats that love to criticize us in public while coming to the Fed for trillions in bank loans in private. Fuck them.
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The real issue isn't the cost or the length of time, IMO.
It's who's going to fill the void.
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The real issue isn't the cost or the length of time, IMO.
It's who's going to fill the void.
Take a guess. It starts with "I" and ends in "slamists".
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Take a guess. It starts with "I" and ends in "slamists".
Now, if we can just get the dumb libs to realize that...
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Take a guess. It starts with "I" and ends in "slamists".
Yes they will.
Why does anyone think that this will be any different than the void in Iraq or Afghanistan?
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Yes they will.
Why does anyone think that this will be any different than the void in Iraq or Afghanistan?
Because Obama made the oceans recede so he'll definitely bring democracy to the Middle East. Just look at how successful Egypt has become. All those stories of Coptic Christians being purged from existence are fabrications of the MSM.
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Allies? Could have fooled me. The only country worth a shit is Germany. The rest are good-for-nothing, insolvent deadbeats that love to criticize us in public while coming to the Fed for trillions in bank loans in private. Fuck them.
as a whole - i'd rather see a stronger EU than a stronger ME>
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as a whole - i'd rather see a stronger EU than a stronger ME>
I'd rather see them both piss off. And the EU is collapsing.
www.zerohedge.com. Educate yourself.
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Because Obama made the oceans recede so he'll definitely bring democracy to the Middle East. Just look at how successful Egypt has become. All those stories of Coptic Christians being purged from existence are fabrications of the MSM.
I agree... this is fucking ridiculous. I've been angry about it for months.
Libya will become an even bigger terrorist state now.
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THis is what happens...it almost happened in Iraq and we were there.
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The real issue isn't the cost or the length of time, IMO.
It's who's going to fill the void.
Agree.
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When Obama looses and he and chewy have to pack their trash....will u leave getbig forever? If islamists take over in Libya...or the 20K surface to air missiles..or other weapons are used against the US or Western interests/people..will u admit that your fucking retard n chief was wrong.
I might leave then...but you should leave now....you can't admit that you were wrong..Obama accomplished his mission..case closed
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What the heck are you talking about? Who complained about the length of this war??
HH6
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beach bum, it's been on fox news all day long. RUBIO crediting UK and FR for their war success lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then he said it took too long.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carney-responds-to-foxs-ed-henry-on-marco-rubio-remarks-this-is-not-the-day-for-politics/
No need to accuse me of making shit up when I posted the exact quote. google had it all day too.
exactly../....as if France and Britain would have been able to accomplish the mission without us....we (the US) were the backbone of the whole operation..Rubio is a piece of shit
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Billions of dollars spent to acquire oil for Eurotrash that can't afford to pay for it because they've spent decades spending themselves into bankruptcy. Hooray!
another guy tasting the sour grapes
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Allies? Could have fooled me. The only country worth a shit is Germany. The rest are good-for-nothing, insolvent deadbeats that love to criticize us in public while coming to the Fed for trillions in bank loans in private. Fuck them.
Germany??????...you really are nuts.....Germany does absolutely nothing for us...yet we propped them up for years until the Berlin wall fell and they could be reunited.....plus we still have a bunch of U.S. troops in that country for what reason????......they then pay us back by not helping us in any conflict we engage in..we still subsidize Germany so that they don't have to spend anything on their military and can continue to give generous social entitlements to their citizens....
does Germany have a good economy?..yes...but they do shit for us
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Because Obama made the oceans recede so he'll definitely bring democracy to the Middle East. Just look at how successful Egypt has become. All those stories of Coptic Christians being purged from existence are fabrications of the MSM.
first of all, Obama is actually fulfilling the Bush Doctrine of pushing drastic change in the middle east so that democratic reform can take place.....what those countries do with their chance for democracy then thats their problem
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I'd rather see them both piss off. And the EU is collapsing.
www.zerohedge.com. Educate yourself.
I really hope you are looking in the mirror whilst typing this