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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: reppingfor20 on October 25, 2011, 03:26:45 PM
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It has to be the most idiotic thing not to, I mean how hard would it be to get 15 of the best bber's to hold a meeting even over telephone or in person just one time to put down guidelines and stop being exploited. If the IFBB doesn't like it, they can just make money how they usually do hustling. Only a few bber's actually make money off contests so it should be a no brainer.
If holding a meeting is that hard or out of the way for them, just hold it at the arnold classic in a banquet room or at the Olympia where they are naturally all together anyways. When they come out, tell the promoter or person in charge if they do not get so and so no one is walking out on that stage.
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arnold tried this in the 70s and it didnt work,not sure why.
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when somebody like Chick is your "athletes' rep" (haha what a joke), you'll be continually screwed.
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to unionize you have to work, that is what stopping it
the fuckers refuse to show up for work
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the fuck are you talking about?? unionize for what? not to be exploited?
these "guys" shave their balls, oil their asses and walk on stage in a thong. nothing exploitive about that ::)
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It has to be the most idiotic thing not to, I mean how hard would it be to get 15 of the best bber's to hold a meeting even over telephone or in person just one time to put down guidelines and stop being exploited. If the IFBB doesn't like it, they can just make money how they usually do hustling. Only a few bber's actually make money off contests so it should be a no brainer.
If holding a meeting is that hard or out of the way for them, just hold it at the arnold classic in a banquet room or at the Olympia where they are naturally all together anyways. When they come out, tell the promoter or person in charge if they do not get so and so no one is walking out on that stage.
Utter nonsense, only one guy out of thousands even gets a real paycheck. Why the hell would one guy lucky enough to get handpicked, share with everyone else. ???
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It has to be the most idiotic thing not to, I mean how hard would it be to get 15 of the best bber's to hold a meeting even over telephone or in person just one time to put down guidelines and stop being exploited. If the IFBB doesn't like it, they can just make money how they usually do hustling. Only a few bber's actually make money off contests so it should be a no brainer.
If holding a meeting is that hard or out of the way for them, just hold it at the arnold classic in a banquet room or at the Olympia where they are naturally all together anyways. When they come out, tell the promoter or person in charge if they do not get so and so no one is walking out on that stage.
What should they be after? 50% of the revenue from the Olympia? The competitors took $825k, I wonder what AMI walked away with?
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What should they be after? 50% of the revenue from the Olympia? The competitors took $825k, I wonder what AMI walked away with?
They should be after whatever they can get, get a look at AMI's books, see what they earn in net income each year. Demand more money, the money goes to the top in the industry like corporations. Refuse to do photo shoots(unless paid more), they get paid shit for that anyways, magazines will have no current shots. Demand more money from sponsors, they just have to organize, it is such a small population of bber's that are professional it should be very easy to do.
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They should be after whatever they can get, get a look at AMI's books, see what they earn in net income each year. Demand more money, the money goes to the top in the industry like corporations. Refuse to do photo shoots(unless paid more), they get paid shit for that anyways, magazines will have no current shots. Demand more money from sponsors, they just have to organize, it is such a small population of bber's that are professional it should be very easy to do.
Relax. Bob Cicherillo's got their back.
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Relax. Bob Cicherillo's got their back.
I don't think he is athletes rep anymore, either way what did he do for them, health care, nope, any things you did to help the athletes chic?
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I don't think he is athletes rep anymore, either way what did he do for them, health care, nope, any things you did to help the athletes chic?
I atepted to organize a union years ago...the ONLY one to try in the modern era....there wasnt enough interest from the athletes to pursue. This led to the position of athletes representation, which at least gave us a voice.
Since that time, there are many things I have presented and adapted by the Pro League, prize money has gone up, the 202 (now 212) was formed, the Bikini Div, WP Division, rule changes, scoring changes, increased per diem, group health care available...The athletes are in a much etter position than 5-6 years ago
Funny thing is...not ONE of the big mouths stepped up to the plate when it came to showing support of a union...ZERO...not a Milos, a Lee Priest, Titus...when it came time to put up or shut up...they showed what they were made of...
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I atepted to organize a union years ago...the ONLY one to try in the modern era....there wasnt enough interest from the athletes to pursue. This led to the position of athletes representation, which at least gave us a voice.
Since that time, there are many things I have presented and adapted by the Pro League, prize money has gone up, the 202 (now 212) was formed, the Bikini Div, WP Division, rule changes, scoring changes, increased per diem, group health care available...The athletes are in a much etter position than 5-6 years ago
Funny thing is...not ONE of the big mouths stepped up to the plate when it came to showing support of a union...ZERO...not a Milos, a Lee Priest, Titus...when it came time to put up or shut up...they showed what they were made of...
big props
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Titus
What ever happened to that guy?
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What ever happened to that guy?
he lived up to his expectations
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He sure did.
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The IFBB is like a Mafia...they will never allow a union to happen
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Also I think BB'ers are like independent contractors or something.....
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I atepted to organize a union years ago...the ONLY one to try in the modern era....there wasnt enough interest from the athletes to pursue. This led to the position of athletes representation, which at least gave us a voice.
Since that time, there are many things I have presented and adapted by the Pro League, prize money has gone up, the 202 (now 212) was formed, the Bikini Div, WP Division, rule changes, scoring changes, increased per diem, group health care available...The athletes are in a much etter position than 5-6 years ago
Funny thing is...not ONE of the big mouths stepped up to the plate when it came to showing support of a union...ZERO...not a Milos, a Lee Priest, Titus...when it came time to put up or shut up...they showed what they were made of...
Chic even though I hate you, I have to give you props for doing that, sorry to assume you didn't try it. I can't believe why no one would want one, maybe they don't know what a union would do for them?
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Chic even though I hate you, I have to give you props for doing that, sorry to assume you didn't try it. I can't believe why no one would want one, maybe they don't know what a union would do for them?
All bark, no bite for many of the loudest in the past. Priest is my all time favorite...still bitching to this day, but didnt have the balls to be a part of the idea. Unfortunately, when some of these guys were riding high, they didnt want to upset the apple cart, now that theyre back in the gutter...the voices get louder again, and they suddenly find their balls...lol
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All bark, no bite for many of the loudest in the past. Priest is my all time favorite...still bitching to this day, but didnt have the balls to be a part of the idea. Unfortunately, when some of these guys were riding high, they didnt want to upset the apple cart, now that theyre back in the gutter...the voices get louder again, and they suddenly find their balls...lol
Good thing you were never riding high and got to keep your balls. :)
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They can't strike because nobody gives a shit if they ever have another Olympia, Arnold etc....
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Good thing you were never riding high and got to keep your balls. :)
Actually, I was doing extremely well, as I had just finished runner up in 2 pro shows and qualified for the Olympia while under contract with GNC. I could have just as easily sat back and done nothing except bitch like all the other guys, especially the loud mouths...
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How can an appointed company guy be the pro athletes rep when he MCs many of the shows? In the past he was commenting on them via the broadcasts. Total conflict of interests.
When Bob is the pro rep everyone gets the shaft.
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All bark, no bite for many of the loudest in the past. Priest is my all time favorite...still bitching to this day, but didnt have the balls to be a part of the idea. Unfortunately, when some of these guys were riding high, they didnt want to upset the apple cart, now that theyre back in the gutter...the voices get louder again, and they suddenly find their balls...lol
Hey chick...good for you that you tried to unionize....but in all fairness...don't you think that the guys back then (including yourself) risked being blackballed if they seriously tried to unionize???
also..are you still the athletes rep??..if not then why not?
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Actually, I was doing extremely well, as I had just finished runner up in 2 pro shows and qualified for the Olympia while under contract with GNC. I could have just as easily sat back and done nothing except bitch like all the other guys, especially the loud mouths...
When are the elections for athletes rep? Do you have to be an IFBB Pro to run for rep? I'm thinking about giving it a shot.
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How can an appointed company guy be the pro athletes rep when he MCs many of the shows? In the past he was commenting on them via the broadcasts. Total conflict of interests.
When Bob is the pro rep everyone gets the shaft.
Sorry Vince, but Bob actually comes off as a guy who gives a shit.
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You have to have leverage to attempt a union. People actually care if sports like baseball, football etc... go on strike. You won't see anyone shed a tear (except for the shmoes) if bodybuilders decided to go on strike.
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You won't see anyone shed a tear (except for the shmoes) if bodybuilders decided to go on strike.
No one would even notice.
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How can an appointed company guy be the pro athletes rep when he MCs many of the shows? In the past he was commenting on them via the broadcasts. Total conflict of interests.
When Bob is the pro rep everyone gets the shaft.
Back to make a bigger fool of yourself, ImBasile?
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It's not a cohesive body of working people doing a real job. It's bouncers, dealers, guys living off men/women and then occasionally shaving, oiling, putting on a G-string and posing to clapping middle aged males that film them in high school auditoriums in the middle of bumblefuck.
Unless they reach the top level and then they're simply beauty contestants and pageant queens that are too bitchy and worried about their glutes to be united on any front.
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Vince,
Why do you bitch about the "flotsam" here attacking you when you do the same thing?
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It's not a cohesive body of working people doing a real job. It's bouncers, dealers, guys living off men/women and then occasionally shaving, oiling, putting on a G-string and posing to clapping middle aged males that film them in high school auditoriums in the middle of bumblefuck.
Unless they reach the top level and then they're simply beauty contestants and pageant queens that are too bitchy and worried about their glutes to be united on any front.
LOL...not quite sure what shows YOURE going to...
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No one would even notice.
I'm actually surprised that the top guys make so much! lol, I give props to guys like Cutler, Coleman, Heath, Labrada, etc... that they can make a good living in a "fringe" hobby.
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There's no difficulty in replacing anyone. Put 100 random men on 4g a week, you'd probably get a better top 20 than the current louts.
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Actually, I was doing extremely well, as I had just finished runner up in 2 pro shows and qualified for the Olympia while under contract with GNC. I could have just as easily sat back and done nothing except bitch like all the other guys, especially the loud mouths...
Do you think PJ Brawn will ever go pro? Serious question.
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You have to have leverage to attempt a union. People actually care if sports like baseball, football etc... go on strike. You won't see anyone shed a tear (except for the shmoes) if bodybuilders decided to go on strike.
AMI would shed a tear, the Olympia is a cash cow for them.
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This is stupid the O is more of a job interview than a sports competition.
Could you imagine 20/30 guys in a lobby forming a union before an interview saying higher us all or else. ???
Seriously this shit is stupid, all they gotta do is make some up and comer from russia win and say they are looking for guys that have a certain look as the future of the O.Meaning the union is a fail before there first contest.
Anyhow if bodybuilders wanted to get serious they should form their own rival bodybuilding competition let x wrestlers etc, compete, than you might actually start something.
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Unionize? Most of them can't even write their own names in the ground with a stick. Talk to them about "Union" and they'll think it's new slang for G4P.
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union
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How can an appointed company guy be the pro athletes rep when he MCs many of the shows? In the past he was commenting on them via the broadcasts. Total conflict of interests.
When Bob is the pro rep everyone gets the shaft.
Christ give it a rest Vince.
Don`t you have arms to train again or something?
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Bodybuilders of the world - Unite ! 8)
"Only we, the workers of the worldwide
Great army of labour,
Have the right to own the land,
But the parasites - never!"
"We demand the return
Of that which was stolen from us."
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he lived up to his expectations
Was he really that mad when you used know him?
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I atepted to organize a union years ago...the ONLY one to try in the modern era....there wasnt enough interest from the athletes to pursue. This led to the position of athletes representation, which at least gave us a voice.
Since that time, there are many things I have presented and adapted by the Pro League, prize money has gone up, the 202 (now 212) was formed, the Bikini Div, WP Division, rule changes, scoring changes, increased per diem, group health care available...The athletes are in a much etter position than 5-6 years ago
Funny thing is...not ONE of the big mouths stepped up to the plate when it came to showing support of a union...ZERO...not a Milos, a Lee Priest, Titus...when it came time to put up or shut up...they showed what they were made of...
Wayne DeMilla said much the same thing, when it came to drug-testing in an issue of IronMan back in '96. The bodybuilders would say one thing to him, agreeing with the testing (especially for the diruetics, particularly after Munzer's death). But, when they got to the Weiders, they did the 180 and WAILED that DeMilla was trying to undermine them and make them look bad onstage, begging Weider not to do any testing.
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How can an appointed company guy be the pro athletes rep when he MCs many of the shows? In the past he was commenting on them via the broadcasts. Total conflict of interests.
When Bob is the pro rep everyone gets the shaft.
You still measuring those arms Basile? How big are they now?
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Wayne DeMilla said much the same thing, when it came to drug-testing in an issue of IronMan back in '96. The bodybuilders would say one thing to him, agreeing with the testing (especially for the diruetics, particularly after Munzer's death). But, when they got to the Weiders, they did the 180 and WAILED that DeMilla was trying to undermine them and make them look bad onstage, begging Weider not to do any testing.
LOL...thats not exactly the way it went down.
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LOL...thats not exactly the way it went down.
Pro Union!!!! The competitors need to get together and refuse to keep showing up spending all this money on a show that will probably not even give them a paycheck at all unless they place in the top 3 spots. What a load of horseshit.
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Pro Union!!!! The competitors need to get together and refuse to keep showing up spending all this money on a show that will probably not even give them a paycheck at all unless they place in the top 3 spots. What a load of horseshit.
Problem is....it's still a competition.....not 4th grade T ball where everyone gets a swing. tough to justify a check just because you show up. It's all relative...the superstars always get the lions share.....in other sports and ours as well. people pay to see the top guys, and that's who makes out the best. At the Olympia, we've made changes where there is a minimum paid out, where years ago under Waynes rule....you got jack shit....which I thought was bullshit....and changed.
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Problem is....it's still a competition.....not 4th grade T ball where everyone gets a swing. tough to justify a check just because you show up. It's all relative...the superstars always get the lions share.....in other sports and ours as well. people pay to see the top guys, and that's who makes out the best. At the Olympia, we've made changes where there is a minimum paid out, where years ago under Waynes rule....you got jack shit....which I thought was bullshit....and changed.
That is a good achievement. But to qualify for the Olympia you have to do a lot of crappier shows that if you don't place well (top 1 -3) you are out grocery money, drug money, time put into the prep for contest. You basically lose money on competing, what other sport can be said to have that problem at the professional level?
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That is a good achievement. But to qualify for the Olympia you have to do a lot of crappier shows that if you don't place well (top 1 -3) you are out grocery money, drug money, time put into the prep for contest. You basically lose money on competing, what other sport can be said to have that problem at the professional level?
Many...most notebly...Golf. Expensive sport, many hours/ money invested...only the best make the big bucks, get the endorsements, etc....
If you dont make the cut, you get nothing...if you make the cut, you could pocket minimum where you actually lose money, make a good amount, or make the big paycheck with a top 10-15 finish, depending on the tournament...
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LOL...thats not exactly the way it went down.
Please elaborate.
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Chick doesn't look after the Aussie pros. They usually get the shaft one way or other. Chick did nothing to change the crazy drugs that are used by the pros and thus has to take some of the blame for hapless Luke Wood.
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Chick doesn't look after the Aussie pros. They usually get the shaft one way or other. Chick did nothing to change the crazy drugs that are used by the pros and thus has to take some of the blame for hapless Luke Wood.
I respect you Vince but I think you're going overboard....these pros know exactly what they are getting into.....not even their mothers could stop them from doing what they do....I think what happens in the case of guys like Luke is that they over do it due to their NOT having the genetics that guys like Chick, Cutler, Arnold, etc have, all of whom can respond well to lower doses....
I'm a big fan of your old physique as well....I'm sure you too responded in a way that other men couldn't
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Luke is that they over do it due to their NOT having the genetics that guys like Chick, Cutler, Arnold, etc have, all of whom can respond well to lower doses....
Umm...no offense to Chick, but you really place Chick the Bob in same category with multi-Mr Olympias Jay Cutler and Arnie ? :-\
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Umm...no offense to Chick, but you really place Chick the Bob in same category with multi-Mr Olympias Jay Cutler and Arnie ? :-\
Not in terms of achievement....but Chick is one big MOFO as well...even now in regualar clothes you can see it
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Many...most notebly...Golf. Expensive sport, many hours/ money invested...only the best make the big bucks, get the endorsements, etc....
If you dont make the cut, you get nothing...if you make the cut, you could pocket minimum where you actually lose money, make a good amount, or make the big paycheck with a top 10-15 finish, depending on the tournament...
Yeah golf is an expensive sport to play your right.