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Title: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: CT_Muscle on October 27, 2011, 12:44:16 PM: http://news.yahoo.com/worst-california-biker-feud-decade-erupted-starbucks-154231726.html

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A turf war between the Hells Angels and a rival motorcycle gang that erupted outside a California Starbucks shop last year has left several men dead, wounded or missing in three states, stirring fears of more bloodshed.

Ranked by law enforcement as the most severe clash of two California-based biker groups in nearly a decade, the spate of violence turned deadly last month when it spilled into Nevada with a brawl and shooting among members of the Hells Angels and Vagos motorcycle clubs.

The president of the Hells Angels' San Jose, California, chapter, Jeffrey "Jethro" Pettigrew, 51, was shot to death, and one Vagos member was wounded in the melee at John Ascuaga's Nugget hotel and casino in Sparks. A second Vagos member was wounded in a drive-by shooting the next day at the site of a nearby motorcycle rally in town.

The Pettigrew killing -- coming 11 months after a gunfight between the two gangs in Arizona that left five people wounded -- in turn sparked tensions within the Hells Angels' ranks that led to yet another slaying in California, authorities say.

"There have been concerns about this rivalry for some time," said Graham Barlowe, resident agent in charge of the Sacramento office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The last California biker feud of similar proportions grew out of a 2002 casino riot in Laughlin, Nevada, between the Hells Angels and another group known as the Mongols, Barlowe said. At least three bikers died as a result of that conflict.

DEAD OR ALIVE

The latest casualty of the Hells Angels' recent battle against Vagos actually was inflicted by one of their own.

At Pettigrew's funeral in California weeks after he was slain in Nevada, his close friend and sergeant-at-arms of the San Jose chapter, Steven Tausan, 52, was shot and killed by a fellow Hells Angel in an apparent quarrel among club members.

A police source familiar with the investigation said Tausan and others confronted the accused gunman, Steve Ruiz, over his perceived failure to have protected Pettigrew during the Nugget casino brawl, prompting Ruiz to pull a gun on Tausan.

A group of bikers then pounced on Ruiz as thousands of mourners streamed out of the cemetery, preventing police officers at the funeral from making an arrest, San Jose police spokesman Jose Garcia said.

In the end, it was unclear whether the bikers who descended on Ruiz did so to subdue him, beat him or help him escape, but witnesses said he was whisked away in a car, Garcia said.

Suspecting that Ruiz may have been killed at the scene and his body dumped into Pettigrew's grave, police later obtained a search warrant to dig up the burial site, but they found no trace of Ruiz, Garcia said.

Last week, San Jose police received a tip that Ruiz was alive and hiding out in the northern California city of Stockton, but he was believed to have slipped away after investigators searched a home there to no avail on Saturday.

Garcia said authorities now believe Ruiz is on the run with a current or former girlfriend, noting that he has family and associates in Arizona and New York.

The recent bloodshed can all be traced to last year's push by Vagos, founded in the 1960s in a Southern California desert community, into the northern coastal town of Santa Cruz, long claimed as Hells Angels territory, police said.

CAFFEINE FOR BIKERS

Tensions boiled over in January 2010, when members of the rival gangs, some wielding ball-peen hammers, fought outside a Santa Cruz Starbucks before scattering as police arrived.

"It was all about who would be allowed to hang out at the Starbucks downtown," Santa Cruz Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark said. "The Vagos brazenly came in and tried to cement their presence. It was a pretty strong play on their part to establish themselves as the premiere club."

He added: "Only in Santa Cruz would you have biker wars over who's going to control pumpkin spice lattes."

Seven months after the Starbucks ambush, violence between the two groups flared again in a gunfight in August 2010 that left five people wounded and led to 27 arrests in the northern Arizona town of Chino Valley.

The U.S. Justice Department has classified both the Hells Angels and Vagos as outlaw gangs deeply involved in drug and weapons trafficking, as well as extortion, money laundering, theft and various violent crimes.

The Hells Angels, by far the larger and better known of the two, was founded in 1948 in Fontana, California, and has since established over 230 chapters with an estimated 2,000 to 2,500 members worldwide, the government says.

The organization denies its involvement in criminal activity and argues the club should not be blamed for the illegal actions of individual bikers.

Members insist the overwhelming majority are law-abiding citizens who share a love of powerful motorcycles, especially Harley-Davidsons and choppers, and point to their prominent role in certain charity events as evidence that their outlaw reputation is exaggerated by the media.

Karen Snell, a San Francisco-based lawyer who has represented a number of Hells Angels members, said Pettigrew and Tausan, for example, were "family guys."

"They made honest livings. They worked hard and were responsible," she told Reuters.

Police have arrested two people in connection with last month's casino brawl, including Ernesto Manuel Gonzalez, 53, a Vagos member suspected in Pettigrew's slaying.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 27, 2011, 12:46:39 PM: Quote from: CT_Muscle on October 27, 2011, 12:44:16 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/worst-california-biker-feud-decade-erupted-starbucks-154231726.html

I was expecting a video you bastard >:(
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Stark on October 27, 2011, 01:14:07 PM: Fucking love biker gangs
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: supernick on October 27, 2011, 01:20:51 PM: i do too :)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Stark on October 27, 2011, 01:28:43 PM: Quote from: supernick on October 27, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
i do too :)

I consider myself smart enough to know that its only cool from the outside and probably sucks as soon as you
get drawn into all the crime and all but now and then I would love to walk around knowing I'm a 1% and about
the badest thing that is out there :D
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Tre on October 27, 2011, 01:29:06 PM: Pics or it didn't happen.

Written 'eyewitness accounts' ain't shit.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM: Quote from: Stark on October 27, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Fucking love biker gangs

Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: G_Thang on October 27, 2011, 02:49:27 PM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors

i always said that about your lover boy, chaos. he didn't get them tats at an altar boys' meeting.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 27, 2011, 02:54:18 PM: Quote from: G_Thang on October 27, 2011, 02:49:27 PM
i always said that about your lover boy, chaos. he didn't get them tats at an altar boys' meeting.

stop picking on him G spot. I know dudes that have triple the tats he has and don't even own a bike. My brother got another ducati so I get to use his older one next weekend. Wanna meet up
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 27, 2011, 05:45:19 PM: I'm pretty much anti-establishment on a lot of things but I would have no problem if the NSA/CIA/law enforcement sent in sniper/Ninja/ Flex Wheeler types to take out these bikers one by one across the world. Actually think it would be fcking awesome.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Howard on October 27, 2011, 06:03:49 PM: Quote from: Tre on October 27, 2011, 01:29:06 PM
Pics or it didn't happen.

Written 'eyewitness accounts' ain't shit.
I know , what court would ever listen to an eyewitness. Only fuzzy cam phone vids are allowed in court. ::)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: kh300 on October 27, 2011, 06:12:50 PM: Oh great, now every fag on a Harley is going to act even more badass ::)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on October 27, 2011, 06:19:18 PM: nothing like grown men killing each other over........whats it over?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: LittleJ on October 27, 2011, 06:23:43 PM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors

I thought that's the only guys you dated?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: chaos on October 27, 2011, 08:31:45 PM: Quote from: G_Thang on October 27, 2011, 02:49:27 PM
i always said that about your lover boy, chaos. he didn't get them tats at an altar boys' meeting.
LOL, we know what you got being an alter boy..... ;D
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: claymore on October 27, 2011, 09:26:36 PM: Three can keep a secret if two are dead...
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Royalty on October 27, 2011, 09:55:20 PM: That story is sad. A bunch of 50+ year old men killing each other.... over "territory"
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: io856 on October 27, 2011, 10:06:34 PM: they think they are in a movie
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Dorian01 on October 27, 2011, 10:20:50 PM: Quote
He added: "Only in Santa Cruz would you have biker wars over who's going to control pumpkin spice lattes."
best line
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: WillGrant on October 27, 2011, 10:38:22 PM: Quote from: Royalty on October 27, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
That story is sad. A bunch of 50+ year old men killing each other.... over "territory"
And coffee :D
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: _bruce_ on October 28, 2011, 02:02:56 AM: Good to hear that they are still kicking it.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 28, 2011, 03:19:36 AM: Quote from: LittleJ
link=topic=400353.msg5677844#msg5677844 date=1319765023
I thought that's the only guys you dated?

No. I prefer they ride, its a mutual common interest thing. I ride my own bike so it's not a deal breaker
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 28, 2011, 03:24:36 AM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors

In what way mom?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: mass243 on October 28, 2011, 03:30:10 AM: Haha, I bough American Starbucks frappuccino bottle last week. Didn't realize it was American until I thought about it little longer.
So now you can write "mass243" in one of your democracy bombs as I sponsored you guys 8)

Anyways, it was kind of good though.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: WillGrant on October 28, 2011, 03:32:04 AM: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xKgr8bd-MyY/SdC1fRE_i4I/AAAAAAAABE4/gf6PdUl9E5g/s200/bikie.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Krankenstein on October 28, 2011, 03:32:42 AM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors

Try dating a woman.....THATS a creature with the mental problems of a biker and a BBer rolled into one.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 28, 2011, 03:37:41 AM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Try dating member or a prospect of one...fuckers are more mental than bb competitors
how does a woman end up "dating" a criminal drugged out psycho "biker" ?

what does this say about the woman?

I guess you have to frequent these circles ... drugs .. violence .. prostitution..crime ..

You must be an angel with proud parents .. gesus faching craist
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: WillGrant on October 28, 2011, 03:39:06 AM: (http://photofind.com/wp-content/origin/2010_07/Bike-Girls.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 28, 2011, 04:14:54 AM: Quote from: Cleanest Natural on October 28, 2011, 03:37:41 AM
how does a woman end up "dating" a criminal drugged out psycho "biker" ?

what does this say about the woman?

I guess you have to frequent these circles ... drugs .. violence .. prostitution..crime ..

You must be an angel with proud parents .. gesus faching craist

where did I say I ever dated ONE. I didn't you dumb fuck.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 28, 2011, 04:25:17 AM: You still riding newmom? or is it too damn cold now i'm getting ready to store my bike up for the winter in about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 28, 2011, 04:26:46 AM: Quote from: Mr Nobody on October 28, 2011, 04:25:17 AM
You still riding newmom? or is it too damn cold now i'm getting ready to store my bike up for the winter in about 3 weeks.

fawk no, it's too damn cold. Light dusting of snow last night.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: newmom on October 28, 2011, 04:27:23 AM: Quote from: Krankenstein on October 28, 2011, 03:32:42 AM
Try dating a woman.....THATS a creature with the mental problems of a biker and a BBer rolled into one.

oh LMAO
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Parker on October 28, 2011, 05:21:03 AM: Quote from: Runningmom on October 27, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
stop picking on him G spot. I know dudes that have triple the tats he has and don't even own a bike. My brother got another ducati so I get to use his older one next weekend. Wanna meet up
Which Ducati?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: _bruce_ on October 28, 2011, 07:31:09 AM: Aren't 'Order' and 'SA' Hell's Angels?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: dr.chimps on October 28, 2011, 07:42:34 AM: California bikers and Starbucks!? Why am I not surprised? Sonny Barger must be shaking his head.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 28, 2011, 06:34:55 PM: Common knowledge that any women dating/married to a "real" biker, that its basically free game to be passed around to the "higher" ups. lol... Its unbelievable that a lot of these bikers are not type A personalities but fuking schmoes of the biker culture.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: chaos on October 28, 2011, 06:37:11 PM: Lots of scary biker gangsters in this thread.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: leadhead on October 28, 2011, 08:03:10 PM: I always wondered why we never had biker gangs in the South? Then I realized that fights with clubs, knives, and hammers wouldn't fly because everyone is armed with guns and none of them would live long enough to organize a gang.. just a random thought.. carry on
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: chaos on October 28, 2011, 08:03:50 PM: Quote from: leadhead on October 28, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
I always wondered why we never had biker gangs in the South?
Are you serious? :-\
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: LittleJ on October 28, 2011, 08:10:42 PM: Quote from: chaos on October 28, 2011, 08:03:50 PM
Are you serious? :-\

Did you fuck mom?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: chaos on October 28, 2011, 08:11:32 PM: Quote from: LittleJ on October 28, 2011, 08:10:42 PM
Did you fuck mom?
I admit it, I fucked your mom.
BUT I DIDN'T CUM GODAMMIT!!!!!!!! >:(
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: WillGrant on October 28, 2011, 08:12:27 PM: (http://chzdatingfails.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/dating-fails-protective.gif)
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: chaos on October 28, 2011, 08:14:19 PM: Quote from: WillGrant on October 28, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
(http://chzdatingfails.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/dating-fails-protective.gif)
Never gets old. ;D
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: LittleJ on October 28, 2011, 08:15:11 PM: Quote from: chaos on October 28, 2011, 08:11:32 PM
I admit it, I fucked runningmom.
BUT I DIDN'T CUM GODAMMIT!!!!!!!! >:(

Runningmom is this true?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: BILL ANVIL on October 28, 2011, 08:23:50 PM: Quote from: Royalty on October 27, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
That story is sad. A bunch of 50+ year old men killing each other.... over "territory"

Its about money, essentially. Men kill for money.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: dyslexic on October 28, 2011, 11:02:58 PM: Oh, but they are such upstanding contributional citizens to our society... even with their colors.

Let's all become Prospects.

Jackasses. Can't keep their shit civil.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: no one on October 29, 2011, 12:28:41 AM: in my experience, todays clubs attract more weak and those who want the identity behind the patch because they have no sand of their own than legitimate hard men. i honestly in part sold my bike because i didnt want to be associated with todays crop of biker.

the oldtimers, the guys who came up in the 70's,80's and very early 90's. those were some bad men in those eras. you can tell the bad ones when you talk to them. its in their eyes. a deadness. some of the nicest guys i know and good friends of mine came up in those eras, and they all have that same emptyness in their eyes, but fucking nice guys. i dunno how to explain it.

anyway, more power to them- so they shoot up a starbucks. big fucking deal. blacks destroyed 1/2 of los angeles.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: gh15 on October 29, 2011, 12:36:22 AM: hells angels = fallen angels !

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: no one on October 29, 2011, 12:40:00 AM: Quote from: leadhead on October 28, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
I always wondered why we never had biker gangs in the South? Then I realized that fights with clubs, knives, and hammers wouldn't fly because everyone is armed with guns and none of them would live long enough to organize a gang.. just a random thought.. carry on

theres a reason they were fighting with hammers, even though it does sound kinda ridiculous to hear about bikers using hammers to fight.

see, you can drive around in your vehicle with a hammer- balpeen or claw. you dont need a permit to carry it. its not a restricted weapon or considered a weapon of any nature. but try getting hit by one.

these guys are constantly getting pulled over an harassed. carrying a hammer is one thing LE cant do fuck all about.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: leadhead on October 29, 2011, 05:58:56 AM: Quote from: no one on October 29, 2011, 12:40:00 AM
theres a reason they were fighting with hammers, even though it does sound kinda ridiculous to hear about bikers using hammers to fight.

see, you can drive around in your vehicle with a hammer- balpeen or claw. you dont need a permit to carry it. its not a restricted weapon or considered a weapon of any nature. but try getting hit by one.

these guys are constantly getting pulled over an harassed. carrying a hammer is one thing LE cant do fuck all about.

I never thought about that aspect of it. I have several loaded guns each in my truck and car but that's a given where I come from. they need to pull them over and put a bullet in all of them, then start on the inner city gangs. What kind of grown men join gangs anyway?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Secret Stack on October 29, 2011, 09:14:34 AM: Quote from: gh15 on October 29, 2011, 12:36:22 AM
hells angels = fallen angels !

gh15 approved

are you in a biker gang gh15?

this is why you said you were a "fallen angel" and told white widow to look into what a "fallen angel" is?

you are a biker ???
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: dyslexic on October 29, 2011, 10:13:42 AM: Quote from: gh15 on October 29, 2011, 12:36:22 AM
hells angels = fallen angels !

gh15 approved

lol... :P
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Andy Griffin on October 29, 2011, 12:03:05 PM: I have read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I am repeating anything...

What has become of gangs these days? Fighting at STARBUCKS?? Oh, brother...
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Parker on October 29, 2011, 12:28:08 PM: Quote from: Andy Griffin on October 29, 2011, 12:03:05 PM
I have read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I am repeating anything...

What has become of gangs these days? Fighting at STARBUCKS?? Oh, brother...
He who controls the Starbucks, controls the Lattes.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 29, 2011, 12:43:34 PM: Quote from: Andy Griffin on October 29, 2011, 12:03:05 PM
I have read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I am repeating anything...

What has become of gangs these days? Fighting at STARBUCKS?? Oh, brother...
Looks like they have turned into twinks the real deal right here.
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Secret Stack on October 29, 2011, 11:50:00 PM: fuck it, it's obvious now, gh15 has answered it basically - - he is a member of the Hells Angels! :o

From the elf announcement thread:

Quote from: gh15 on October 24, 2011, 03:29:47 AM
by the way my nickname is fallen angel in real life,, this is what im known by,, do you know what fallen angel is? research a bit ,,maybe will find since you are awake all night

gh15 approved

......this thread:

Quote from: gh15 on October 29, 2011, 12:36:22 AM
hells angels = fallen angels !

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: Spicoli on October 30, 2011, 12:26:20 AM: Anyone here on GB ever earn their gold wings?
Title: Re: Worst California biker feud in decade erupted at Starbucks
Post by: dyslexic on October 30, 2011, 01:34:38 AM: Don't you ever taste burnt rubber in your Latte? Or is that just liquid D-bol and your bloody nose?