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Has anyone on here (or heard of someone who has) tried hormonizing with zero training*? If yes, how much mass were you able to add?
I wonder how far you can take a physique simply by upping the dose (with no training).
*nothing else than brisk walking
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Has anyone on here (or heard of someone who has) tried hormonizing with zero training*? If yes, how much mass were you able to add?
I wonder how far you can take a physique simply by upping the dose (with no training).
*nothing else than brisk walking
Yes... i work with a guy who is on HRT. He is fat and looks like shit but is happy.
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Yes... i work with a guy who is on HRT. He is fat and looks like shit but is happy.
No, I mean beyond HRT doses. Serious bodybuilder doses :D.
Anyone willing to experiment?? ;D
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Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Dec;281(6):E1172-81.
Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men.
Bhasin S, Woodhouse L, Casaburi R, Singh AB, Bhasin D, Berman N, Chen X, Yarasheski KE, Magliano L, Dzekov C, Dzekov J, Bross R, Phillips J, Sinha-Hikim I, Shen R, Storer TW.
Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.
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7.9kg muscle in 20 weeks!!! With a moderate dose (600mg test/week) and no resistance training. :D
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No, I mean beyond HRT doses. Serious bodybuilder doses :D.
Anyone willing to experiment?? ;D
Sure, send me some products
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Sure, send me some products
Sorry can't help you with that. You will have to fund the research out of your own pocket :D.
But seriously, 7.9kg in 20 weeks with no training. That is insane. Compare that to natural guys who usually won't see that kind of gains EVER (after year 1).
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Nothing a natural cannot do in 20 years :D
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first blood, you are a great poster. i have often thought about this question. great find on the study!
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Nothing a natural cannot do in 20 years :D
:D
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One of my mates is staying at my place right now.. he's just started to take steroids out of curiosity.
Never lifts or does any sport at all .. just smokes weed and drinks beer all day long. Still a skinny-fat twink after about 3 months of juicing by now .. I actually haven't noticed any changes at all which suprised me a bit. He wants to go to the gym soon ... yeah sure.
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One of my mates is staying at my place right now.. he's just started to take steroids out of curiosity.
Never lifts or does any sport at all .. just smokes weed and drinks beer all day long. Still a skinny-fat twink after about 3 months of juicing by now .. I actually haven't noticed any changes at all which suprised me a bit. He wants to go to the gym soon ... yeah sure.
LOL Why the fuck would he do that ? its not like a hit of heroin lol - the addiction is how they make you look - eg bigger leaner When you go to the gym and get your protein and calories in - they are performence enhancers - he needs a kick in the ass, what a waste of gear lol :D
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Test tren and kigs with no exercise,, anyone got deep pockets to experiment?
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Everybody wanna take trenbologna, but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights!
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haha ive known people who thought they could grow muscles just by popping steroid pills.
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Nothing a natural cannot do in 20 years :D
One 2 week vacation without training and diet and you can start all over again when you're natural. ;D ;D ;D
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One 2 week vacation without training and diet and you can start all over again when you're natural. ;D ;D ;D
That's why I don't train natural anymore. Don't even bother cycling either.
No point in seeing all your gains go right down the shitter because you didn't time your broccoli and chicken in perfect alignment with your last meal. ;D
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Has anyone on here (or heard of someone who has) tried hormonizing with zero training*? If yes, how much mass were you able to add?
I wonder how far you can take a physique simply by upping the dose (with no training).
*nothing else than brisk walking
wasnt there like a documentary of a guy doing that? or maybe im thinking of the "weed" documentary, the guy from Supersize Me ..
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One 2 week vacation without training and diet and you can start all over again when you're natural. ;D ;D ;D
lol, sure cause you go back from 0.1 back to zero ;D
For me 2month stress and hard work is worse. A 2 Week vacation with much sleeping and eating is far better...
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Natural
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lol, sure cause you go back from 0.1 back to zero ;D
For me 2month stress and hard work is worse. A 2 Week vacation with much sleeping and eating is far better...
True though.
Work and stress are much worse for BB.
That's why i like steroids, you have more energy, feel better, AND you can train after work and still gain!
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Has anyone on here (or heard of someone who has) tried hormonizing with zero training*? If yes, how much mass were you able to add?
I wonder how far you can take a physique simply by upping the dose (with no training).
*nothing else than brisk walking
Only if you walk really brisk...
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LOL Why the fuck would he do that ? its not like a hit of heroin lol - the addiction is how they make you look - eg bigger leaner When you go to the gym and get your protein and calories in - they are performence enhancers - he needs a kick in the ass, what a waste of gear lol :D
He suffers from serious depressions.. thought it might make feel him better. Didn't do shit so far.
Told him that he better get his ass to a gym soon cause I think it's a waste too .. so far he hasn't even paid me for using my stuff :D
Now he has read a few thing about steroids online and wants to do a dbol/test bulking cycle .. we'll see how that goes.
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first blood, you are a great poster. i have often thought about this question. great find on the study!
I found another study that showed similar results.
The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men
Shalender Bhasin, M.D., Thomas W. Storer, Ph.D., Nancy Berman, Ph.D., Carlos Callegari, M.D., Brenda Clevenger, B.A., Jeffrey Phillips, M.D., Thomas J. Bunnell, B.A., Ray Tricker, Ph.D., Aida Shirazi, R.Ph., and Richard Casaburi, Ph.D., M.D.
N Engl J Med 1996; 335:1-7July 4, 1996
link to full text: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
Check out table 4 and figure 1.
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louis just wants to make a fool out of everyone it's pretty pathetic but i admit his shows get some shock laughs
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This is real science!! ;D
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One of my mates is staying at my place right now.. he's just started to take steroids out of curiosity.
Never lifts or does any sport at all .. just smokes weed and drinks beer all day long. Still a skinny-fat twink after about 3 months of juicing by now .. I actually haven't noticed any changes at all which suprised me a bit. He wants to go to the gym soon ... yeah sure.
How much and what is he using? Has he increased his caloric intake?
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True though.
Work and stress are much worse for BB.
That's why i like steroids, you have more energy, feel better, AND you can train after work and still gain!
I haven't used drugs but I agree about the negative impact that work and life stress can have on training/results. After a long work day I simply do not have the motivation to train hard, I just wanna relax. There is no mental energy left. That is why I have started training at lunch or before work.
I'm still considering hormonization but I'm a pussy and scared of side effects.
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How much and what is he using? Has he increased his caloric intake?
Told him to start off with just 250mg test e5d .. he upped the dosage after like 3 weeks to 500mg e5d .. he's probably eating about 1200 calories a day + 1000 calories from alcohol. He now bought himself some weight gaining shakes and high calorie proteinbars .. I'm sure he's not going to change his body composition.
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Told him to start off with just 250mg test e5d .. he upped the dosage after like 3 weeks to 500mg e5d .. he's probably eating about 1200 calories a day + 1000 calories from alcohol. He now bought himself some weight gaining shakes and high calorie proteinbars .. I'm sure he's not going to change his body composition.
Well even with hormones you need calories and protein. You can't grow from thin air :D.