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A lot of boards preach eatingas much as you possibly can. Is this really needed or can you eat whenever you're hungry? Same for fluid intake - should you force 2 gallons down daily or simply drink when thirsty?
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A lot of boards preach eatingas much as you possibly can. Is this really needed or can you eat whenever you're hungry? Same for fluid intake - should you force 2 gallons down daily or simply drink when thirsty?
IMO drink fluids all day and let yourself get a little hungry before eating. Dont eat til stuffed. This will allow you to eat more meals and believe it or not, more calories. Also keeps binging down.
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IMO drink fluids all day and let yourself get a little hungry before eating. Dont eat til stuffed. This will allow you to eat more meals and believe it or not, more calories. Also keeps binging down.
^^ this
eat when your hungry, stop when your full. lots of water all day. always satisfy your cravings, but everything in moderation.
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if your trying to bulk you want to try to get the calories in try to slowly up your diet no matter what at least get at least 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound. remember the gear and HGH is going to shovel these nutrients to the right spots so try to eat good proteins and remeber there are good fats that a bodybuilder need. I personally love snacking on cashews thats one thing you could try and also making my own power protein shakes. adding granola, some plain yogurt sometimes a little peanut butter, a little ice cream when bulking. if your cutting you mainly want to shoot for proteins. when your bulking pretty much anything goes. The more you train the hungrier you will get. I would drink a shake pre and post workout thats 2 liquid meals right there. try to get 6 moderate meals in a day. even if your not hungry id try to drink a homemade protein shake. they can be delicious if you find a good combo to mix with the whey protein powder.
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if your trying to bulk you want to try to get the calories in try to slowly up your diet no matter what at least get at least 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound. remember the gear and HGH is going to shovel these nutrients to the right spots so try to eat good proteins and remeber there are good fats that a bodybuilder need. I personally love snacking on cashews thats one thing you could try and also making my own power protein shakes. adding granola, some plain yogurt sometimes a little peanut butter, a little ice cream when bulking. if your cutting you mainly want to shoot for proteins. when your bulking pretty much anything goes. The more you train the hungrier you will get. I would drink a shake pre and post workout thats 2 liquid meals right there. try to get 6 moderate meals in a day. even if your not hungry id try to drink a homemade protein shake. they can be delicious if you find a good combo to mix with the whey protein powder.
lol
gh15 approved
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Eat when hungry - unless you like being fat.
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if your trying to bulk you want to try to get the calories in try to slowly up your diet no matter what at least get at least 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound. remember the gear and HGH is going to shovel these nutrients to the right spots so try to eat good proteins and remeber there are good fats that a bodybuilder need. I personally love snacking on cashews thats one thing you could try and also making my own power protein shakes. adding granola, some plain yogurt sometimes a little peanut butter, a little ice cream when bulking. if your cutting you mainly want to shoot for proteins. when your bulking pretty much anything goes. The more you train the hungrier you will get. I would drink a shake pre and post workout thats 2 liquid meals right there. try to get 6 moderate meals in a day. even if your not hungry id try to drink a homemade protein shake. they can be delicious if you find a good combo to mix with the whey protein powder.
spot on!
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I hate when people say "shove down calories!"..."eat big"...."eat like a horse"..."dirty bulk" etc etc..as if all that food turns magically into muscles. ::)
Way to get fat lol. Beginners always misunderstand those sayings and get fat as fuck.
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good advice in this thread, except from mr.moderator LMAO
This
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i agree with the moderator.... you need those cals in there to gain size or its not going to happen, you can only grow lean with a huge drug bill
one things for sure, when you hit a growth spurt you need to ride it hard........
im definatly not the only one that more or less reached max size in a couple of years
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JUST EAT WHEN UR HUNGRY, BUT MAKE URSELF HUNGRIER.
YOU'LL SEE EATING CLEAN MAKES YOU HUNGRIER, TRAINING HEAVY & HARD MAKES U HUNGRY, AND ULTIMATELY DRUGS MAKE YOU THE HUNGRIEST..THE RIGHT TYPES;GH, TEST, NPP, EQ.
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good advice in this thread, except from mr.moderator LMAO
How can a protein shake hurt especially a homemade one? you have to get in the meals otherwise your not going to grow. steroids will not work if you do not eat enough! maybe thats why you look like garbage! :-* You look like a guy who lives in a trailer who cant afford razors.
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JUST EAT WHEN UR HUNGRY, BUT MAKE URSELF HUNGRIER.
YOU'LL SEE EATING CLEAN MAKES YOU HUNGRIER, TRAINING HEAVY & HARD MAKES U HUNGRY, AND ULTIMATELY DRUGS MAKE YOU THE HUNGRIEST..THE RIGHT TYPES;GH, TEST, NPP, EQ.
Yep you guys who are not hungry are not training hard enough or are not using a good stack. the right stack plus going to the GYM AND WORKING OUT HARD will make you want to eat all day.You can bulk clean those homemade shakes are the way to go. If you use the right mixture they are delicious and easy to eat. actually enjoyable to eat. It is hard eating 6-8 meals a day thats why i like supplementing a few liquid meals in. everybody should be drinking a shake after their workout . I drink one pre and post workout along with a grilled chicken sandwich plain. every fast food place has something that is somewhat healthy if you are in a rush and want something tasty I go to calrs jr. or burgerking and get a flame broiled chicken sandwich and order it plain and only eat half the bun I also toss a salt packet on the chicken makes me vascular as all hell. sometimes i get a burger plain as well and just eat the patties and half the bun. you can get away with eating fast food if you eat somewhere that flame broils the meat and just eat the pattys andhalf the bun go with the bottom bun I would suggest chicken and a hamburger patty. this is after a workout I will eat a chicken and burger patty along with a shake a great way to get alot of protein and its not that bad for you. just stay away from the french fries. great way to get protein and calories in you.
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JUST EAT WHEN UR HUNGRY, BUT MAKE URSELF HUNGRIER.
YOU'LL SEE EATING CLEAN MAKES YOU HUNGRIER, TRAINING HEAVY & HARD MAKES U HUNGRY, AND ULTIMATELY DRUGS MAKE YOU THE HUNGRIEST..THE RIGHT TYPES;GH, TEST, NPP, EQ.
Boom another guy who knows how its done.
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How can a protein shake hurt especially a homemade one? you have to get in the meals otherwise your not going to grow. steroids will not work if you do not eat enough! maybe thats why you look like garbage! :-* You look like a guy who lives in a trailer who cant afford razors.
lmao, bro i am 5x bigger than you, and my hair is sexy.
force feeding and gorging do nothing but put on fat. eat when hundry, eat till full, no need for anything more. and definitely dont need 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight. your a fucking sheep.
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lmao, bro i am 5x bigger than you, and my hair is sexy.
force feeding and gorging do nothing but put on fat. eat when hundry, eat till full, no need for anything more. and definitely dont need 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight. your a fucking sheep.
your delusional!You look like a hairy mess! what a waste of cash! you will get kicked off a stage looking like you do! you shouldnt need to force feed if you are on the right stack and working out correctly. You need at least 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound all of that protein will eventually turn into muscle the AAS and HGH will shovel that protein to your muscles. drinking alot of water is fine as long as you are eating right. if your just eating 3 meals a day and drinking a bunch of water that your obviously going to get more water weight than muscle weight.
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your delusional!You look like a hairy mess! what a waste of cash! you will get kicked off a stage looking like you do! you shouldnt need to force feed if you are on the right stack and working out correctly. You need at least 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound all of that protein will eventually turn into muscle the AAS and HGH will shovel that protein to your muscles. drinking alot of water is fine as long as you are eating right. if your just eating 3 meals a day and drinking a bunch of water that your obviously going to get more water weight than muscle weight.
your an idiot... this discussion isnt about what people look like but if you want to bring that uip i have posted tons of pictures of myself.. go ahead and post one of you for comparison, no face needed, use whatever angles and fancy lighting you want.. if you loook even comparable to me then ill apologize and never contradict anything you post again
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ok,, show me anyone on here over 250 who doesnt eat alot, everyone i know with a good bit of size is a propper pig, i dont know anyone personaly who struggles to eat alot..
if i didnt train id be obese, so would all my palls...
also, any of the guys here who work a manual job, youd better be eating propperly or you can kiss goodbye to any gains whatso ever,, i could diet for shows on tons more food than the rest of my freinds due to this
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ok,, show me anyone on here over 250 who doesnt eat alot, everyone i know with a good bit of size is a propper pig, i dont know anyone personaly who struggles to eat alot..
if i didnt train id be obese, so would all my palls...
also, any of the guys here who work a manual job, youd better be eating propperly or you can kiss goodbye to any gains whatso ever,, i could diet for shows on tons more food than the rest of my freinds due to this
::) your not bigger than me and i eat 3 meals per day, two of which are protein alone.
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::) your not bigger than me and i eat 3 meals per day, two of which are protein alone.
ok,,, show me 225 ripped on stage fat boy, then you can back chat me!
im 270 right now, tighter and leaner than youve ever been
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me around your age,, 22yr old, 16st,, back when i was only doing a few short cycles per year... tons of food tho
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guy in the middle just took 2nd in the brit heavies this yr, put alot of size on since then....
here's what im currently eating, would be much more if i was still competitive
6.15.... 100g oats, 50g whey, bannana, handfull of frozen berries, spoon of peanut butter, blended
9.00... 2chkn brsts, sweet pot, apple
12.00.. 2 chkn breasts, sweet pot, pear/orange etc
3.30. 10 eggs, 4 yolks scrambled, 4 slices of wholemeal toast, tin of beans
6.30.. 100g oats, 50 whey, bannana, berries, pea butter, blended
7.15/30 train
9.15 2 tins of tuna, mixed in soup, 2 slices of wholemeal toast
11.00 50g protein, handfull of nuts
now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is
the uk guys would have noticed how much the likes of chicken,steak etc have went up in price the past few years
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there is your standard bodybuilding diet. you must have a lot of discipline. no eggwhites, pineapple juice, jamaican food, ice cream or GH buffets?
no one should really "bulk" unless they are a true ectomorph. i was still "bulking" at 175 lb 15% bf while natural, wondering why i wasnt looking good. thats what happens when noob's read these magazines that dont tell you their models and bb's are juiced to the max
then i started cycling and the food starting going to the right places and i never eat beyond comfort anymore. i havnt really changed my diet in the last 2 years, actually eating less carbs and cals, and i am heavier and leaner from taking more drugs. as long as you eat balanced and above 200-250g REAL protein the drugs will drive your growth (trainging not discussed)
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In some ways tbombz is right, you can grow on only 3 meals per day. You can get bigger and stronger but there's a cutoff point to an extent.
If you're wanting a stage presence physique that holds some solid mass you're going to need to eat a lot more and there's no way 3 meals per day will allow you to do this unless you gorge in those three meals and that's going to be horrible for your metabolism even with gear. No, it won't be as bad with gear as it would be without but you won't be maximizing.
As far as force feeding, for most guys, I'd say close to 99% they have no need to force feed. There are some guys though that legitimately have a hard time getting in the calories they need. I can think of one 202 pro who I know for fact has a hard time eating every day, he has never had much of an appetite and eating is basically work for him. When he diets it can even be bad, even then the guy just doesn't want to eat. Weird I know but it does happen. Yes, he eats and eats a good deal, it's just a chore for him.
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guy in the middle just took 2nd in the brit heavies this yr, put alot of size on since then....
here's what im currently eating, would be much more if i was still competitive
6.15.... 100g oats, 50g whey, bannana, handfull of frozen berries, spoon of peanut butter, blended
9.00... 2chkn brsts, sweet pot, apple
12.00.. 2 chkn breasts, sweet pot, pear/orange etc
3.30. 10 eggs, 4 yolks scrambled, 4 slices of wholemeal toast, tin of beans
6.30.. 100g oats, 50 whey, bannana, berries, pea butter, blended
7.15/30 train
9.15 2 tins of tuna, mixed in soup, 2 slices of wholemeal toast
11.00 50g protein, handfull of nuts
now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is
the uk guys would have noticed how much the likes of chicken,steak etc have went up in price the past few years
Isn't eating so much meals and so often interrupts with your daily activities ?
btw how much '2 chicken breast' measure?
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Isn't eating so much meals and so often interrupts with your daily activities ?
btw how much '2 chicken breast' measure?
I always here people saying that but honestly how long does it really take to eat? Those meals local mentioned could all be eaten in 5-10min tops and 2 of them in less than 60sec. So max you've spent a grand total of 42min a day eating and it's probably more like 25-30min if that.
Yes, you have to prepare the food but most guys make a butt load of food in advance....I know people who aren't bodybuilders at all, they don't even workout who make a few meals in advance for the week. I did it for years...every Sunday afternoon was the big cooking day.
The point, if it's important to you, whatever that important thing might be, it doesn't have to be bodybuilding and training, it can be anything but if it's important to you you'll do what you need to do to make it work and a lot of the time that means planning ahead and living your life in an organized fashion that meets your needs.
Yes, I understand this is hard for a lot of people to do....most people like flying by the seat of their pants. Of course then they wonder why their lives suck and end up being those acting like ass-bag 99 occupiers. Of course that's another discussion altogether.
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Isn't eating so much meals and so often interrupts with your daily activities ?
btw how much '2 chicken breast' measure?
as i stated earlier, im a pig,, these meals dont touch the sides and as arnie says they take literally mins to eat, dont really take much cooking or preparing either to be honest
youv got to use abit common sence and choose things that are quik to cook, microwaves and georgie formans all the way!!
2 chicken breasts could weigh anything, ive given up worring about food measures
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guy in the middle just took 2nd in the brit heavies this yr, put alot of size on since then....
here's what im currently eating, would be much more if i was still competitive
6.15.... 100g oats, 50g whey, bannana, handfull of frozen berries, spoon of peanut butter, blended
9.00... 2chkn brsts, sweet pot, apple
12.00.. 2 chkn breasts, sweet pot, pear/orange etc
3.30. 10 eggs, 4 yolks scrambled, 4 slices of wholemeal toast, tin of beans
6.30.. 100g oats, 50 whey, bannana, berries, pea butter, blended
7.15/30 train
9.15 2 tins of tuna, mixed in soup, 2 slices of wholemeal toast
11.00 50g protein, handfull of nuts
now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is
the uk guys would have noticed how much the likes of chicken,steak etc have went up in price the past few years
so arent you proving tbombz's point? sure you eat a shitload, but still your hungry and are not force-feeding/shoving down calories. your simply eating when your hungry, its just happens that your hungry every 3 hours and can eat 7 times a day, but still hold yourself back. so in a sense, you ARENT shoving down clories, because by your own admission, your even legit hungry, but dont eat more...
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I always here people saying that but honestly how long does it really take to eat? Those meals local mentioned could all be eaten in 5-10min tops and 2 of them in less than 60sec. So max you've spent a grand total of 42min a day eating and it's probably more like 25-30min if that.
Yes, you have to prepare the food but most guys make a butt load of food in advance....I know people who aren't bodybuilders at all, they don't even workout who make a few meals in advance for the week. I did it for years...every Sunday afternoon was the big cooking day.
The point, if it's important to you, whatever that important thing might be, it doesn't have to be bodybuilding and training, it can be anything but if it's important to you you'll do what you need to do to make it work and a lot of the time that means planning ahead and living your life in an organized fashion that meets your needs.
Yes, I understand this is hard for a lot of people to do....most people like flying by the seat of their pants. Of course then they wonder why their lives suck and end up being those acting like ass-bag 99 occupiers. Of course that's another discussion altogether.
Why is it needed to eat so often if you are not payed to do it or you are not using handful of slin and hgh?
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ok,,, show me 225 ripped on stage fat boy, then you can back chat me!
im 270 right now, tighter and leaner than youve ever been
i have already posted pictures of myself, your not bigger than me, stage photos dont count bro.. getting shredded, shaving, getting tanned and oiled, under stage lights... makes you look a helluvah lot bigger than you really are. in all your regular pictures you look very average.
In some ways tbombz is right, you can grow on only 3 meals per day. You can get bigger and stronger but there's a cutoff point to an extent.
If you're wanting a stage presence physique that holds some solid mass you're going to need to eat a lot more and there's no way 3 meals per day will allow you to do this unless you gorge in those three meals and that's going to be horrible for your metabolism even with gear. No, it won't be as bad with gear as it would be without but you won't be maximizing.
As far as force feeding, for most guys, I'd say close to 99% they have no need to force feed. There are some guys though that legitimately have a hard time getting in the calories they need. I can think of one 202 pro who I know for fact has a hard time eating every day, he has never had much of an appetite and eating is basically work for him. When he diets it can even be bad, even then the guy just doesn't want to eat. Weird I know but it does happen. Yes, he eats and eats a good deal, it's just a chore for him.
theres no cut off point so long as your not going hungry. serge nubret ate one meal per day. alot of very big body builders just eat 3 meals per day. dont believe everything you see in videos and read in magazines bro. theyre all also 100% natural donrt you know :D
and about 3 huge meals being bad for metabolism.. complete and utter horseshit. metabolism is not dictated by meal size or meal frquency. totally unurelated.
so arent you proving tbombz's point? sure you eat a shitload, but still your hungry and are nor force-feeding/shoving down calories. your simply eating when your hungry, its just happens that your hungry every 3 hours and can eat 7 times a day, but still hold yourself back. so in a sense, you ARENT shoving down clories, because by your own admission, your even leit hungry, but dont eat more...
thats over his head bro.
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the point is your fat, if you dieted down to be stage ready youd be tiny, not small, tiny, your seriously deluded if you dont acknowledge this.. but you kind of have by never getting into that state, i know loads of guys who thought they were big until they got half way thru a prep only to discover how much weight they actually had to loose to be ripped....
id love to see the amazing ripped physique you'd show off with your 3 meal a day diet plan, as eating regularly doesnt affect your metabolism etc
my problem with you is you dish out advices, and you look terrible..... no doubt your a very clever guy on paper, you can make sense of long winded studies etc, but it hasnt got you anywhere
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I just want to say that all of the big bodybuilders and powerlifters i have met over the years ate a shitload of food. Maybe not 7 meals a day but they ate massive amounts of food on a daily basis and i know this because i hung out with them every day and saw them eat all the time. I think for bodybuilders it's important to eat enough to gain weight at a decent rate without getting fat. That's why i tell people to try and eat a balanced diet and stay away from junk food.
I don't think anyone should stuff themselves just for the sake of it, but i do know from many years of training that you have to eat a good amount of food to grow.
I don't think the frequency of your meals matters as long as you are ingesting a good amount of calories/protein with each meal.
Just my .02
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the point is your fat, if you dieted down to be stage ready youd be tiny, not small, tiny, your seriously deluded if you dont acknowledge this.. but you kind of have by never getting into that state, i know loads of guys who thought they were big until they got half way thru a prep only to discover how much weight they actually had to loose to be ripped....
id love to see the amazing ripped physique you'd show off with your 3 meal a day diet plan, as eating regularly doesnt affect your metabolism etc
my problem with you is you dish out advices, and you look terrible..... no doubt your a very clever guy on paper, you can make sense of long winded studies etc, but it hasnt got you anywhere
lmao, fuck off retard, post a picture where you look similar
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same age as u here, no lighting, no tan, no oil.....16st ripped... only handfull of short cycles....what do you weigh in your pic, 230 tops, if u dieted down propperly youd be nothing
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maybe you could try a pic with your legs in, taken at a propper angle ( not looking up at point blank range) and we can all have alook at the body youve built with years of total drug abuse and expert self advices....
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guy in the middle just took 2nd in the brit heavies this yr, put alot of size on since then....
here's what im currently eating, would be much more if i was still competitive
6.15.... 100g oats, 50g whey, bannana, handfull of frozen berries, spoon of peanut butter, blended
9.00... 2chkn brsts, sweet pot, apple
12.00.. 2 chkn breasts, sweet pot, pear/orange etc
3.30. 10 eggs, 4 yolks scrambled, 4 slices of wholemeal toast, tin of beans
6.30.. 100g oats, 50 whey, bannana, berries, pea butter, blended
7.15/30 train
9.15 2 tins of tuna, mixed in soup, 2 slices of wholemeal toast
11.00 50g protein, handfull of nuts
now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is
the uk guys would have noticed how much the likes of chicken,steak etc have went up in price the past few years
what a pain in the ass
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same age as u here, no lighting, no tan, no oil.....16st ripped... only handfull of short cycles....what do you weigh in your pic, 230 tops, if u dieted down propperly youd be nothing
not bigger than me.. :)
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not bigger than me.. :)
at this stage and pic bombz u showed your thicker ,rounder than local,but losing some water,cut back bodyfat and no your not fat but,,,if you lean back a bit you will show similar look more square ,hard leaness .then u could compare 2 builds,,size,shape.tough to judge bro where u will end up.he looks good local as well.
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If you just shove the calories down, you WILL get bigger... the idea being that if your body is in a constant state of excess it will add more muscle than it would otherwise. It is a fairly well-known phenomenon that overeating WITHOUT training will in and of itself cause people to put on some muscle - that's just how the human body works. Of course, this will come at the expense of extra fat gain. So eating when hungry is a good idea if you want to stay lean year-round.
BTW, just throwing this thought out there... GHRP-6 supposedly increases your appetite. Haven't tried it out myself yet, but that's what I've read in quite a few places.
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what a pain in the ass
supposed to be a bodybuilding board.... if u cant even be bothered to eat properly why bother at all...
bombs is fat in the pic, he'd have to loose around 40/50lbs of fat and water to get ripped,,,which would leave him what weight?
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heres some pics of me at 20st and 16.7st.... when i was 25yr old.. im in similar condtion as bombs in 1st pic, possibly leaner as i had a hint of abbs, that took 3 n half stone or 49lbs in your money... youd be surprised how far you have to actually go to get that lean if youve never did it before
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agree local..1st time i dieted to 6% was not even funny :'( i couldnt believe how much i needed lose
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agree local..1st time i dieted to 6% was not even funny :'( i couldnt believe how much i needed lose
But it also depends on the way you do it and on your start point...
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no one is disputing you local,,,taylor brought it up,,,you look decent offseason you could see some shape there already...
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no one is disputing you local,,,taylor brought it up,,,you look decent offseason you could see some shape there already...
I think some are definitely disputing him. They are saying he doesn't have to eat like he does to be his size and that conditioned. Others, mostly tbombz are saying he's just as muscular if not more and eats the way he does, which is the exact opposite of local.
Sounds like a dispute to me.
I also have my opinion on who's right. tbombz definitely has some muscle on him, no one can deny that. More than local, no. IMO, if he dieted down to stage ready he would not have as much mass as local. This doesn't mean he doesn't have any muscle, just not as much as local.
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Local has more muscle by a long shot. I like tbombz but he doesn't have as much muscle as he thinks he does.
I still remember the first time i competed i went from 235 pounds to 189 pounds and i was much smaller than i ever thought i would be. I looked skinny as hell, but i was fucking ripped.
Posting pics doesn't really prove the point of this thread though, it's just a "my dick is bigger" argument at this point.
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I think some are definitely disputing him. They are saying he doesn't have to eat like he does to be his size and that conditioned. Others, mostly tbombz are saying he's just as muscular if not more and eats the way he does, which is the exact opposite of local.
Sounds like a dispute to me.
I also have my opinion on who's right. tbombz definitely has some muscle on him, no one can deny that. More than local, no. IMO, if he dieted down to stage ready he would not have as much mass as local. This doesn't mean he doesn't have any muscle, just not as much as local.
yeah sorry didn't get my total facts jumped on this late,,,yeah it's the tbombz 3 meal and drugs do rest theory and the local theory usual 5-7 meals planned ..maybe it works for bombz but if he wants to get his build to really go the next level at least conditioning wise and maintain mass he has to go more meals and spaced accordingly,,,,both good guys here either way.
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I think some are definitely disputing him. They are saying he doesn't have to eat like he does to be his size and that conditioned. Others, mostly tbombz are saying he's just as muscular if not more and eats the way he does, which is the exact opposite of local.
Sounds like a dispute to me.
I also have my opinion on who's right. tbombz definitely has some muscle on him, no one can deny that. More than local, no. IMO, if he dieted down to stage ready he would not have as much mass as local. This doesn't mean he doesn't have any muscle, just not as much as local.
Hey AJ,
i think this thread turned into a pissing match between tbombz and local, if i understand correctly, tbombz is saying "eat 3 meals, and if your hungry, eat more... but 3 should be your bare minimum".. i dont think tbombz is saying " you MUST ONLY have 3 meals, and thats the end of story". he is simply saying 3 is the bare minimum, but if you can eat more, more power to you, but DONT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY FORCING FOOD DOWN YOUR THROAT..
on the other hand, local is saying he eatsa 7 meals a day, because he is just a hungry guy, and thats that.. this doesnt contradict tbombz, it just turns out local is hungry all the time...if anything, it seems tbombz is ADVOCATING to eat more if your hungry, where as local here by his own admission downplays his hunger and doesnt listen to his body asking for more calories
Local hero said " now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is" ..
i think they both are saying the same, AT LEAST eat 3 square meals a day, and eat quality food as your body tells you to, if your hungry, have some chicken with broccoli..
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Hey AJ,
i think this thread turned into a pissing match between tbombz and local, if i understand correctly, tbombz is saying "eat 3 meals, and if your hungry, eat more... but 3 should be your bare minimum".. i dont think tbombz is saying " you MUST ONLY have 3 meals, and thats the end of story". he is simply saying 3 is the bare minimum, but if you can eat more, more power to you, but DONT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY FORCING FOOD DOWN YOUR THROAT..
on the other hand, local is saying he eatsa 7 meals a day, because he is just a hungry ####, and thats that.. this doesnt contradict tbombz, it just turns out local is hungry all the time...if anything, it seems tbombz is ADVOCATING to eat more if your hungry, where as local here by his own admission downplays his hunger and doesnt listen to his body asking for more calories
Local hero said " now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is" ..
i think they both are saying the same, AT LEAST eat 3 square meals a day, and eat quality food as your body tells you to, if your hungry, have some chicken with broccoli..
Local is hungry because he eats clean, tbombz eats a lot more of whatever he wants thereby isn't as hungry as often. Further, tbombz argument is that the multiple meals per day is unnecessary, that as long as you're getting the number of calories you need, whether it's in 2-3 meals or 6-7 makes no difference. Local disagrees with this as do I.
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What do you guys usually eat? im too lazy to cook lol, i used to but it's too time consuming now since im working /school. does anybody use those tyson frozen cooked chicken things?
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What do you guys usually eat? im too lazy to cook lol, i used to but it's too time consuming now since im working /school. does anybody use those tyson frozen cooked chicken things?
i used to, those were probably the most delicious microwavable chickens i've ever had.
as AJ, said, cooking/eating all these meals isnt too time consuming... i personally buy my chicken,fish,groundbeef,steak over the weekend and marinade the chicken and fish.
during the week, it really doesnt take more than 10-12 minutes to cook each meal... you can stir fry the chicken in 6-7 minutes, you can pan fry groundbeef patties in 8-10 minutes, you can cook steak on the BBQ 10-15 mins, you can cook fish 10-15 minutes.. it really doesnt take too long.
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What do you guys usually eat? im too lazy to cook lol, i used to but it's too time consuming now since im working /school. does anybody use those tyson frozen cooked chicken things?
try setting your alarm clock 20 minutes earlier bro. There is ALWAYS Time to cook. You can't control anything else in the world so might as well choose what you put in your body.
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huge difference between "I eat a lot" and "i force down the calories"
my friend is around 375 lbs at 5'10... doesn't workout, is around 70% fat LOL... looks like a fucking blob of jelly tumbling down a hill when he walks... easily eats 7000 cals a day... does he force it? hell no... he gets fucking hungry.
If you can only eat 2500 cals a day, and you feel full and can't eat anymore... shoving down more cals and forcing yourself to eat more will only make you fat, give you digestion problems, and will widen your waist. (been there, done that)
eating when your hungry means you can eat 2000 cals a day, or 7000 cals... it depends on how your body is feeling and what IT wants to do.
if you're stuck in a rut, want to gain more muscle but can't and know your macros are good and you're getting enough protein (1 gram per lb)... well, you'd be severely retarded to think forcing yourself to eat more will give you more muscle.
when you aren't hungry, your body is basically telling you "look, i don't need anything, i'm good"
i think most of the people who say "your problem is you aren't eating enough" are trying to say that if you're hungry, and you hold back on the food because you're a "bodybuilder" and only eat 6 oz of chicken breasts and 1/2 cup of broccoli as your meal and say you'll wait 4 hours to eat again, you aren't eating according to your hunger and needs.
I think the thing a lot of people need to understand in gaining muscle is that if you aren't growing and you are doing everything right, you need to up the dose, son!
for example
500 mg --> 170 lbs on stage
750 mg --> 185 lbs on stage
1500 mg--> 205 lbs on stage
2500 mg --> 220 lbs on stage
whatever you do with food or training (after you've reached that limit) won't help you. taking 500 mg total in this example and forcing yourself to eat 350 grams of protein and a total of 5000 cals will only make you a fat ass, and come contest time, you'll be the same 170 lbs on stage, only looking worse cuz you've already stretched out your insides with all that food and fucked up your digestion.
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huge difference between "I eat a lot" and "i force down the calories"
my friend is around 375 lbs at 5'10... doesn't workout, is around 70% fat LOL... looks like a fucking blob of jelly tumbling down a hill when he walks... easily eats 7000 cals a day... does he force it? hell no... he gets fucking hungry.
If you can only eat 2500 cals a day, and you feel full and can't eat anymore... shoving down more cals and forcing yourself to eat more will only make you fat, give you digestion problems, and will widen your waist. (been there, done that)
eating when your hungry means you can eat 2000 cals a day, or 7000 cals... it depends on how your body is feeling and what IT wants to do.
if you're stuck in a rut, want to gain more muscle but can't and know your macros are good and you're getting enough protein (1 gram per lb)... well, you'd be severely retarded to think forcing yourself to eat more will give you more muscle.
when you aren't hungry, your body is basically telling you "look, i don't need anything, i'm good"
i think most of the people who say "your problem is you aren't eating enough" are trying to say that if you're hungry, and you hold back on the food because you're a "bodybuilder" and only eat 6 oz of chicken breasts and 1/2 cup of broccoli as your meal and say you'll wait 4 hours to eat again, you aren't eating according to your hunger and needs.
I think the thing a lot of people need to understand in gaining muscle is that if you aren't growing and you are doing everything right, you need to up the dose, son!
for example
500 mg --> 170 lbs on stage
750 mg --> 185 lbs on stage
1500 mg--> 205 lbs on stage
2500 mg --> 220 lbs on stage
whatever you do with food or training (after you've reached that limit) won't help you. taking 500 mg total in this example and forcing yourself to eat 350 grams of protein and a total of 5000 cals will only make you a fat ass, and come contest time, you'll be the same 170 lbs on stage, only looking worse cuz you've already stretched out your insides with all that food and fucked up your digestion.
good post,,
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Awesome post!
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Buselmo is spot on. :)
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yeah sorry didn't get my total facts jumped on this late,,,yeah it's the tbombz 3 meal and drugs do rest theory and the local theory usual 5-7 meals planned ..maybe it works for bombz but if he wants to get his build to really go the next level at least conditioning wise and maintain mass he has to go more meals and spaced accordingly,,,,both good guys here either way.
wrong. serge nubret ate one meal per day. i think its quite obvious i still have quite a ways to go to get up to that level of development. most bodybuilders in the 70's ate 3 meals per day. even today, most bodybuilders just eat when they are hungry. though alot of them take protein every 3 hours in addition to meals.
tbombz is saying "eat 3 meals, and if your hungry, eat more... but 3 should be your bare minimum".. i dont think tbombz is saying " you MUST ONLY have 3 meals, and thats the end of story". he is simply saying 3 is the bare minimum, but if you can eat more, more power to you, but DONT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY FORCING FOOD DOWN YOUR THROAT..
i think they both are saying the same, AT LEAST eat 3 square meals a day, and eat quality food as your body tells you to, if your hungry, have some chicken with broccoli..
no. one meal per day is fine. if your hungry, eat. if not, dont. quality food? no. you need to geet about 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass, the rest of yoru calories can be from whatever you want.
huge difference between "I eat a lot" and "i force down the calories"
my friend is around 375 lbs at 5'10... doesn't workout, is around 70% fat LOL... looks like a fucking blob of jelly tumbling down a hill when he walks... easily eats 7000 cals a day... does he force it? hell no... he gets fucking hungry.
If you can only eat 2500 cals a day, and you feel full and can't eat anymore... shoving down more cals and forcing yourself to eat more will only make you fat, give you digestion problems, and will widen your waist. (been there, done that)
eating when your hungry means you can eat 2000 cals a day, or 7000 cals... it depends on how your body is feeling and what IT wants to do.
if you're stuck in a rut, want to gain more muscle but can't and know your macros are good and you're getting enough protein (1 gram per lb)... well, you'd be severely retarded to think forcing yourself to eat more will give you more muscle.
when you aren't hungry, your body is basically telling you "look, i don't need anything, i'm good"
i think most of the people who say "your problem is you aren't eating enough" are trying to say that if you're hungry, and you hold back on the food because you're a "bodybuilder" and only eat 6 oz of chicken breasts and 1/2 cup of broccoli as your meal and say you'll wait 4 hours to eat again, you aren't eating according to your hunger and needs.
I think the thing a lot of people need to understand in gaining muscle is that if you aren't growing and you are doing everything right, you need to up the dose, son!
for example
500 mg --> 170 lbs on stage
750 mg --> 185 lbs on stage
1500 mg--> 205 lbs on stage
2500 mg --> 220 lbs on stage
whatever you do with food or training (after you've reached that limit) won't help you. taking 500 mg total in this example and forcing yourself to eat 350 grams of protein and a total of 5000 cals will only make you a fat ass, and come contest time, you'll be the same 170 lbs on stage, only looking worse cuz you've already stretched out your insides with all that food and fucked up your digestion.
x 1,000,000,000,000
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wrong. serge nubret ate one meal per day. i think its quite obvious i still have quite a ways to go to get up to that level of development. most bodybuilders in the 70's ate 3 meals per day. even today, most bodybuilders just eat when they are hungry. though alot of them take protein every 3 hours in addition to meals.
no. one meal per day is fine. if your hungry, eat. if not, dont. quality food? no. you need to geet about 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass, the rest of yoru calories can be from whatever you want.
x 1,000,000,000,000
I'm not going to go into my beliefs about diet and nutrition but that statement is wrong. Serge ate way more than 1 meal per day. One of my closest friends (now 32) was personally mentored by Serge and Serge took him to being top 5 in the world as an amateur under 21 Bodybuilder. The guy is still to this day the youngest person to even win the Junior USA's (back when Junior USA's was an AAU not NPC event). He told me stories about these intense training sessions that would literally last for hours upon hours with Serge and cardio by just doing a couple thousand sit ups. They would also eat, eat, and eat some more. Serge would at times consume pounds of red meat in a day. My friend actually stopped bodybuilding because at the Junior World Championships in Europa, Serge gave him a diuretic protocol the night before his show involving injectable lasix that had my friend convulsing and put him in the hospital. I can assure you, Serge ate much more than 1 meal per day in spite of what you may have heard in an interview or read in an article somewhere.
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wrong. serge nubret ate one meal per day. i think its quite obvious i still have quite a ways to go to get up to that level of development. most bodybuilders in the 70's ate 3 meals per day. even today, most bodybuilders just eat when they are hungry. though alot of them take protein every 3 hours in addition to meals.
no. one meal per day is fine. if your hungry, eat. if not, dont. quality food? no. you need to geet about 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass, the rest of yoru calories can be from whatever you want.
x 1,000,000,000,000
THE FLAW IN YOUR ARGUEMENT IS WHAT IS YOUR REAL MACRO INTAKE IN A DAY?
ARE YOU TELLING ME THE DAY I LIFT AND DO NOTHING ELSE IS THE SAME I GO LIFT, AND CLUBBING LATER THAT NIGHT? NO ...LET UR APPETITE DICTATE UR MACROS. BUT IF UR IN THE FIXED MACRO THING, YES 1 OR 6 MEALS NO DIFFERENCE. MY POINT IS WHY LIMIT URSELF.
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THE FLAW IN YOUR ARGUEMENT IS WHAT IS YOUR REAL MACRO INTAKE IN A DAY?
ARE YOU TELLING ME THE DAY I LIFT AND DO NOTHING ELSE IS THE SAME I GO LIFT, AND CLUBBING LATER THAT NIGHT? NO ...LET UR APPETITE DICTATE UR MACROS. BUT IF UR IN THE FIXED MACRO THING, YES 1 OR 6 MEALS NO DIFFERENCE. MY POINT IS WHY LIMIT URSELF.
i didnt say anything about fixed macros, i said eat when your hungry and get 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight as a minimum.
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first time I've seen this type of reply. I am def going to try this. Any more tips? I started so skinny and now that I'm alot heavier and obv help from juice. I've always had to force feed. I'm not naturally a big eater. Most days I am stuffing my face and I'm on the edge of puking it all up just trying to pound back oilive oil on top of my already huge meal cause its so hard for me to gain weight. What happens tho? My waist does get wider and I get a nice turtle gut lol.
recently just started higher doses. Since coming here. Only had 2 very short runs with higher doses.
so question as wel. If I eat when I'm hungry should I focus it on healthy foods? I've always ate dirty to get the calories. So instead of pounding back a bunch of burger and fries should I be doing abit leaner with chicken and oats? Or can it still be abit dirty?
really appreacite anymore tips on this. I now kno the truth about dosages and I always trained intense. Diets just been the only shit part eating till I do puke sometimes.
fuck I hate internet forums. Always misleading people than you get the one gem that tells the truth.
huge difference between "I eat a lot" and "i force down the calories"
my friend is around 375 lbs at 5'10... doesn't workout, is around 70% fat LOL... looks like a fucking blob of jelly tumbling down a hill when he walks... easily eats 7000 cals a day... does he force it? hell no... he gets fucking hungry.
If you can only eat 2500 cals a day, and you feel full and can't eat anymore... shoving down more cals and forcing yourself to eat more will only make you fat, give you digestion problems, and will widen your waist. (been there, done that)
eating when your hungry means you can eat 2000 cals a day, or 7000 cals... it depends on how your body is feeling and what IT wants to do.
if you're stuck in a rut, want to gain more muscle but can't and know your macros are good and you're getting enough protein (1 gram per lb)... well, you'd be severely retarded to think forcing yourself to eat more will give you more muscle.
when you aren't hungry, your body is basically telling you "look, i don't need anything, i'm good"
i think most of the people who say "your problem is you aren't eating enough" are trying to say that if you're hungry, and you hold back on the food because you're a "bodybuilder" and only eat 6 oz of chicken breasts and 1/2 cup of broccoli as your meal and say you'll wait 4 hours to eat again, you aren't eating according to your hunger and needs.
I think the thing a lot of people need to understand in gaining muscle is that if you aren't growing and you are doing everything right, you need to up the dose, son!
for example
500 mg --> 170 lbs on stage
750 mg --> 185 lbs on stage
1500 mg--> 205 lbs on stage
2500 mg --> 220 lbs on stage
whatever you do with food or training (after you've reached that limit) won't help you. taking 500 mg total in this example and forcing yourself to eat 350 grams of protein and a total of 5000 cals will only make you a fat ass, and come contest time, you'll be the same 170 lbs on stage, only looking worse cuz you've already stretched out your insides with all that food and fucked up your digestion.
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no matter what is said or info given or facts,,,taylor is alway's right.
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first time I've seen this type of reply. I am def going to try this. Any more tips? I started so skinny and now that I'm alot heavier and obv help from juice. I've always had to force feed. I'm not naturally a big eater. Most days I am stuffing my face and I'm on the edge of puking it all up just trying to pound back oilive oil on top of my already huge meal cause its so hard for me to gain weight. What happens tho? My waist does get wider and I get a nice turtle gut lol.
recently just started higher doses. Since coming here. Only had 2 very short runs with higher doses.
so question as wel. If I eat when I'm hungry should I focus it on healthy foods? I've always ate dirty to get the calories. So instead of pounding back a bunch of burger and fries should I be doing abit leaner with chicken and oats? Or can it still be abit dirty?
really appreacite anymore tips on this. I now kno the truth about dosages and I always trained intense. Diets just been the only shit part eating till I do puke sometimes.
fuck I hate internet forums. Always misleading people than you get the one gem that tells the truth.
TO BE HONEST IN UR CASE U PROLLY COULD REDUCE THE DOSE AND GET SIMILAR GAINS CAUSE YOUR NOT EATING FOR YOUR NEEDS.
BUT YA EATING HEALTHIER FOOD MAKES U HUNGRIER. AFTER A PIECE OF STEAK AND SOME NUTS IM HUNGRY AGAIN IN LIKE 60, 75, OR EVEN 90 MINUTES. IMAGING HAVING LIKE 8-9 50G PROTEIN MEALS A DAY BUT BEING HUNGRY FOR THEM?
RICE IS SOMETHING THAT SUITS ME TOO. I GENERALLY HAVE CHICKEN OR STEAK, SOMETIMES SALMON WITH NUTS OR PB PER MEAL...LIKE 40-45G PRO, 15-20G FAT BUT IM CRAVING CARBS AFER I WORKOUT SO I ADD RICE AND PINEAPPL JUICE...IVE NEVER USED HIGH DOSES BUT WAS POUNDING OUT ABOUT 7 OR SO MEALS A DAY.
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ok,, show me anyone on here over 250 who doesnt eat alot, everyone i know with a good bit of size is a propper pig, i dont know anyone personaly who struggles to eat alot..
if i didnt train id be obese, so would all my palls...
also, any of the guys here who work a manual job, youd better be eating propperly or you can kiss goodbye to any gains whatso ever,, i could diet for shows on tons more food than the rest of my freinds due to this
Clean carbs,quality protein,loads of veg 12 cereal bowls full per day ,drink 18 pints of water per day .I've just hit 19 stone on this diet , do it !
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heading for 280 ,, 1000carb a day way to go , moderation lol ,, off cycle lol
kill yourself n eat like all u can eat buffet 24/7
extreme mass = extreme result
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first time I've seen this type of reply. I am def going to try this. Any more tips? I started so skinny and now that I'm alot heavier and obv help from juice. I've always had to force feed. I'm not naturally a big eater. Most days I am stuffing my face and I'm on the edge of puking it all up just trying to pound back oilive oil on top of my already huge meal cause its so hard for me to gain weight. What happens tho? My waist does get wider and I get a nice turtle gut lol.
recently just started higher doses. Since coming here. Only had 2 very short runs with higher doses.
so question as wel. If I eat when I'm hungry should I focus it on healthy foods? I've always ate dirty to get the calories. So instead of pounding back a bunch of burger and fries should I be doing abit leaner with chicken and oats? Or can it still be abit dirty?
really appreacite anymore tips on this. I now kno the truth about dosages and I always trained intense. Diets just been the only shit part eating till I do puke sometimes.
fuck I hate internet forums. Always misleading people than you get the one gem that tells the truth.
the word clean is relative... eating chicken breasts and oats is just a way to torture yourself without having to.
first you have to know how your body reacts to certain kinds of foods. for example, some people feel way more comfortable and less bloated on high fat, low carb, and mod protein. other feel much better on low fat, high carb and mod protein. I haven't met a single person who feels comfortable when eating 2+ gr per lb of protein. and when i say comfortable, i mean finishing your meal, feeling full, don't have stinky gas and feel bloated, and don't feel like taking a nap after a big meal.
what the hell is wrong with putting two chicken breasts in two hot dog buns smeared with low fat cream cheese and low fat mayo, with some sliced green olives and baked potato chips? if the macros are good, and you don't feel like you want to kill yourself from how bloated you are afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that!
eating a double whopper with large fries and soda will probably leave you bloated for 6 hours and not hungry at all for half the day... and the macros are crap! so is eating 400 grams of chicken breasts and 2 cups of oats with broccoli... one is considred clean and one is considered dirty... to me, they are all fucking dirty since they make you feel like shit. I cook most of my meals at home cuz i'm a cheap ass and don't want to spend a lot on food. but if you don't mind spending extra, eating at subway, anywhere with steak sandwiches and what not is just fine if your body likes it! (remember, body, not mind... when i'm pissed off from work and totally stressed out and hungry, i head to carls jr and get me a weeks worth of food and shove that stuff down in 5 mins, and chase it all off with ice cream from baskin robbins... why? does my body say it needs it? no, it just needed food... but my mind wanted something else and my taste buds craved something)
I can grow easily if i wanted now (used to think i was a hard gainer way back when... just because i wasn't growing muscle at the rate i wanted and thought i needed to eat massive quantities of food and protein... total bullshit)... just up the dose and you'll get hungry and eat (ofcourse, using the right AAS is key here, but that's another issue... test is not the best at giving you quality size and it will not make you that hungry... increasing your tren by another 100 mg per week would make you feel like you were starving all day long compared to a 500 mg increase in test)... the reasons i'm not upping the dose myself is quite simple... i'm getting older and don't really find being bigger than this appealing anymore (i'm wanting to look "sexy" right now, and not grotesque) and gear costs a lot of money these days, and more gear will make you eat more food, which also drives the bills up.
in your situation... just cook food you like when you're hungry and eat until you're full.. and when i say food you like, i mean something reasonable... not fried chicken with gravy and a pint of root beer... you can make your own burgers, chicken sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, eggwhite pancakes with syrup, whey with yogurts and fruits, steak with mash potatoes and veggies... cook delicious stuff that will meet your requirements for that certain time, will keep you full for 5-8 hours, and easy to prepare. remember, your blood sugar won't drop within 3 hours to low levels... that's bull shit unless you've inflicted type 2 diabetes on yourself... eating 80 grams of protein in one meals will keep aminos running in your system for the whole day and will keep you in a positive nitrogen balance... this bullshit spewed by supp companies and people with agendas taht you need protein every 3 hours doesn't even make sense!
YOU WILL NOT GROW BETTER MUSCLE BY TAKING SUPER DUPER ULTRA FILTERED ION FUDGE PACKED WHEY ISOLATE THAN YOU WOULD BY GETTING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROTEIN FROM DELI MEAT!
there are no better results than the first year of bodybuilding (except for your first cycle, or the heaviest cycle you've ever done with the most compounds)... why? because after the first year you try to get "educated", then you run into all the retarded myths and lies... you got good gains because you ate when your body told you to, and you ate what you felt comfortable with.
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heading for 280 ,, 1000carb a day way to go , moderation lol ,, off cycle lol
kill yourself n eat like all u can eat buffet 24/7
extreme mass = extreme result
Do you wake up some days wondering where are your ankles?
;D
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some are still saying you need to eat a house. But reading what uve said really makes sense to me because you describe my bodybuilding exactly. Ill eat 6 or 7k calories a day cause I wouldn't gain any more weight. And I'd do it for along time. And like you said. My wasit love handles and belly would get bigger and I'd look preganant. Yet my arms nor legs would not store any fat. Only my waist grew! So wtf if I'm not even gonna look bulky and thick its not in my genetics ill just grow a belly.
and ever since I've upped the dose my appetite does go up and I seem to be growing in the right places. Cause funny thing is my cycles made me tired and I havnt had energry to stuff myself to bloated n wanna puke mode before bed n through out the day yet I'm growing. So I'm definitely sticking to this.
who the fuck wants to eat till you puke n all you can do is lay in bed for a hour cause ur so bloated.
abd your spot on about the test. I did a couple weeks high dose test. Didn't really get hungry at all. I got super bloated and red all over lol. Now on npp dbol hunger is increased I wake up with my stomach killing. And the only reason I am growing is cause I'm out of my comfort zone of juice of course. The bullshit 500mg 30mg test or dbol cycles lol.
the word clean is relative... eating chicken breasts and oats is just a way to torture yourself without having to.
first you have to know how your body reacts to certain kinds of foods. for example, some people feel way more comfortable and less bloated on high fat, low carb, and mod protein. other feel much better on low fat, high carb and mod protein. I haven't met a single person who feels comfortable when eating 2+ gr per lb of protein. and when i say comfortable, i mean finishing your meal, feeling full, don't have stinky gas and feel bloated, and don't feel like taking a nap after a big meal.
what the hell is wrong with putting two chicken breasts in two hot dog buns smeared with low fat cream cheese and low fat mayo, with some sliced green olives and baked potato chips? if the macros are good, and you don't feel like you want to kill yourself from how bloated you are afterwards, there's nothing wrong with that!
eating a double whopper with large fries and soda will probably leave you bloated for 6 hours and not hungry at all for half the day... and the macros are crap! so is eating 400 grams of chicken breasts and 2 cups of oats with broccoli... one is considred clean and one is considered dirty... to me, they are all fucking dirty since they make you feel like shit. I cook most of my meals at home cuz i'm a cheap ass and don't want to spend a lot on food. but if you don't mind spending extra, eating at subway, anywhere with steak sandwiches and what not is just fine if your body likes it! (remember, body, not mind... when i'm pissed off from work and totally stressed out and hungry, i head to carls jr and get me a weeks worth of food and shove that stuff down in 5 mins, and chase it all off with ice cream from baskin robbins... why? does my body say it needs it? no, it just needed food... but my mind wanted something else and my taste buds craved something)
I can grow easily if i wanted now (used to think i was a hard gainer way back when... just because i wasn't growing muscle at the rate i wanted and thought i needed to eat massive quantities of food and protein... total bullshit)... just up the dose and you'll get hungry and eat (ofcourse, using the right AAS is key here, but that's another issue... test is not the best at giving you quality size and it will not make you that hungry... increasing your tren by another 100 mg per week would make you feel like you were starving all day long compared to a 500 mg increase in test)... the reasons i'm not upping the dose myself is quite simple... i'm getting older and don't really find being bigger than this appealing anymore (i'm wanting to look "sexy" right now, and not grotesque) and gear costs a lot of money these days, and more gear will make you eat more food, which also drives the bills up.
in your situation... just cook food you like when you're hungry and eat until you're full.. and when i say food you like, i mean something reasonable... not fried chicken with gravy and a pint of root beer... you can make your own burgers, chicken sandwiches, turkey sandwiches, eggwhite pancakes with syrup, whey with yogurts and fruits, steak with mash potatoes and veggies... cook delicious stuff that will meet your requirements for that certain time, will keep you full for 5-8 hours, and easy to prepare. remember, your blood sugar won't drop within 3 hours to low levels... that's bull shit unless you've inflicted type 2 diabetes on yourself... eating 80 grams of protein in one meals will keep aminos running in your system for the whole day and will keep you in a positive nitrogen balance... this bullshit spewed by supp companies and people with agendas taht you need protein every 3 hours doesn't even make sense!
YOU WILL NOT GROW BETTER MUSCLE BY TAKING SUPER DUPER ULTRA FILTER**ED ION FUDGE PACKED WHEY ISOLATE THAN YOU WOULD BY GETTING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROTEIN FROM DELI MEAT!
there are no better results than the first year of bodybuilding (except for your first cycle, or the heaviest cycle you've ever done with the most compounds)... why? because after the first year you try to get "educated", then you run into all the retarded myths and lies... you got good gains because you ate when your body told you to, and you ate what you felt comfortable with.
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if a meal kills your appetite for half the day thats a good thing, not a bad thing! it means you actually fed your body ! being hungry all the damn time is a sign your never actually eating what your body needs !
heres an example of what i ate yesterday
morning= 80 gram whey protein shake
lunch= 3 glasses of low fat chocoalte milk (60grams protein) + plate full of pizza rolls (20-30gramsprotein) + half loaf of garlic bread
dinner= steak, bell pepper, onion stir fry with a small amount of rice (50-60 grams protein)
around midnight= one glass lowfat chocolate milk (20 grams protein)
was never hungry and was completely full and satisfied all day long, plenty of protein and calories.
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if a meal kills your appetite for half the day thats a good thing, not a bad thing! it means you actually fed your body ! being hungry all the damn time is a sign your never actually eating what your body needs !
NO. IT MEANS UR EATING WHAT UR BODY DIGESTS FASTEST. THATS A GOOD FUCKING THING.
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NO. IT MEANS UR EATING WHAT UR BODY DIGESTS FASTEST. THATS A GOOD FUCKING THING.
hunger is a sign that ur body doesnt have what it needs
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hunger is a sign that ur body doesnt have what it needs
SO YOU FEED IT.
IF YOU ARE HUNGRY SOON AFTER EATING A BODYBUILDING MEAL, GUESS WHAT? YOU GET TO EAT MORE...THEN GUESS WHAT?
YOU GET FUCKING BIGGER.
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eat when hungry!!!! if your on a good dose of legit hormones and HGH you will be fucking starving like a hostage!
damn im going right now to eat 9oz of salmon, 1.5cups of white rice, some veggies and 2oz of almonds.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, why do eggwhites have to be so expensive here in Britain? $5 for one pack of eggwhites. :(
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SO YOU FEED IT.
IF YOU ARE HUNGRY SOON AFTER EATING A BODYBUILDING MEAL, GUESS WHAT? YOU GET TO EAT MORE...THEN GUESS WHAT?
YOU GET FUCKING BIGGER.
thats not how it works.
you get hungry again cuz your body never gets "fed".
when gh15 talks about eating he points this out, he has been repeating this for years now... you cant grow eating "clean".
you have to feed your body. you dont have to eat much, but you need to give your body what it needs.
if your hungry again an hour or two after eating, you didnt feed your body. simple.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, why do eggwhites have to be so expensive here in Britain? $5 for one pack of eggwhites. :(
why dont you seperate it yourself? you can save alot of $$ buying whole eggs and seperating the yolks yourself
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why dont you seperate it yourself? you can save alot of $$ buying whole eggs and seperating the yolks yourself
egg whites r super cheap up here. You get a container of 14 or 18 for 1.50 sometimes .99 cents. Mean while whole eggs for 12 is 1.99 on a real good sale n mostly. 2.50 n up.
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thats not how it works.
you get hungry again cuz your body never gets "fed".
when gh15 talks about eating he points this out, he has been repeating this for years now... you cant grow eating "clean".
you have to feed your body. you dont have to eat much, but you need to give your body what it needs.
if your hungry again an hour or two after eating, you didnt feed your body. simple.
If your on the correct chemicals and you are active throughout the day and eat when your hunger signal goes off then all is well. If you have this hunger signal go off every 2-4 hours, are you implying that you never ate enough the previous meal? You think one must be satiated for 6+ hours????
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egg whites r super cheap up here. You get a container of 14 or 18 for 1.50 sometimes .99 cents. Mean while whole eggs for 12 is 1.99 on a real good sale n mostly. 2.50 n up.
30 eggs from adsa £2.90
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30 eggs from adsa £2.90
You drink 'em just like that?
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250ml eggs white+ 400ml skimmed milk+ nesquik powder= best protein drink!
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egg whites r super cheap up here. You get a container of 14 or 18 for 1.50 sometimes .99 cents. Mean while whole eggs for 12 is 1.99 on a real good sale n mostly. 2.50 n up.
where the fuck are u getting egg whites for 99cents 1.50 is the least i have seen them for.
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where the fuck are u getting egg whites for 99cents 1.50 is the least i have seen them for.
most grocery stores here and wal mart. In canada. Ill take a pic next time if you want :p its alot of egg whites to I know that.
but our whole eggs is horrible price so lucky to find a killer saving of 12 for 1.99. Amazing sale. Anywhere from 2.50 normal sale n 3 dollars normally.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, why do eggwhites have to be so expensive here in Britain? $5 for one pack of eggwhites. :(
myprotein uk, 1litre bottles
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You drink 'em just like that?
nah, i like them scrambled, with 4 or 5 yolks chucked in too
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thats not how it works.
you get hungry again cuz your body never gets "fed".
when gh15 talks about eating he points this out, he has been repeating this for years now... you cant grow eating "clean".
you have to feed your body. you dont have to eat much, but you need to give your body what it needs.
if your hungry again an hour or two after eating, you didnt feed your body. simple.
No disrespect, but I have been at this for about 20 years and that statement is ridiculous. If I miss a meal here and there for a couple of days, I will lose weight so fast it will make your head spin. I have to eat, yes..when I am not hungry. Period. That is, unless I want to lose hard earned mass. Almost everyone in this thread is speaking in general terms as if we are all the same and the same rules apply. They don't. Eating three times a day the way you described?? I would look like I never toucdhed a weight in my life. Yes this is my first post here. Never had any intention of doing so but I don't know how you guys can just lump everyone together.
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No disrespect, but I have been at this for about 20 years and that statement is ridiculous. If I miss a meal here and there for a couple of days, I will lose weight so fast it will make your head spin. I have to eat, yes..when I am not hungry. Period. That is, unless I want to lose hard earned mass. Almost everyone in this thread is speaking in general terms as if we are all the same and the same rules apply. They don't. Eating three times a day the way you described?? I would look like I never toucdhed a weight in my life. Yes this is my first post here. Never had any intention of doing so but I don't know how you guys can just lump everyone together.
no disrespect to you, but I disagree with everything you just wrote. you are absolutely NOT going to lose muscle if you don't force feed. your body just doesn't go catabolic that quickly, especially on hormones. this is such a common misconception with us bodybuilders. We have such bigorexia that we force ourselves to eat when we are not hungry and often end up looking like fucking shit. You are NOT going catabolic that quickly. You can eat when you are hungry and eat well.
you never need to force feed yourself. i only eat when i am hungry, and i honestly never over eat anymore. i actually eat a somewhat normal diet, although bigger portions than anyone off hormones, and then i get an additional 4-6 doses of protein on top of my regular meals through the day (whey shakes, egg whites, whatever).
i never, EVER binge with food, and I am 225 and 6% @ 5'11'', on no GH or slin, just AAS.
binging on food is fucking disgusting. it is just not a healthy practice. eat when you are hungry. eat well. eat SOMEWHAT healthy, as in avoid mcdonalds and burger king. drink a lot of water. etc'. this is what i do, and it has allowed me to be extremely lean year round.
on GH I was always hungry. However, I was also 235 lbs @ under 6% on GH. That is a whole other ball game. You are always hungry on gh, so I was already taking in 5000 calories a day.
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Wow.
So much misinformation in this thread it's rediculous...you guys cannot be serious about just eating when you're hungry? Am I missing something ??? ???
I eat around 7k calories a day....this is not an understatement. I spend a couple hundred bucks on groceries a month for just me alone....You guys are wasting gear if you are not eating huge amounts of food. You can say all you want and say it's all drugs...but ultimately you guys are wasting money and potential. If you want to be truly huge, a large amount of food and drug intake must be done.
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Without question, generalized statements can at times be one of the worst things in the world, but it has become a common theme on this board as a whole over the past year or so. If you've never lived a bodybuilding lifestyle and came to this board, in just a few clicks you'd immediately think eat a bunch of food in 2-3 meals, take a butt load of gear and you'll be as big and ripped as any Mr. Olympia....obviously this is idiotic but it's exactly what a lot of the comments imply...whether it's intentional or not I don't know.
Anyway, back to the main topic....we're all unique to a degree, everyone's metabolism functions at varying rates...everyone! Some guys need more food than others, some need more meals if they want true enhanced muscle. I've had guys I've worked with over the years that need two to three times the amount of calories than the normal guy to grow and if they don't get it they stagnate horribly. At any rate, if they need such a large amount of calories, there's no way on this earth they can get them in 2-3 meals a day unless they gorge themselves and live in a constant miserable state. Further, basic metabolic logic tells us more meals per day speeds up the metabolism...the more enhanced the metabolism the greater we can build lean tissue without as much accompanying fat gain, and of course, the more efficiently we can lose body-fat without losing muscle tissue.
I know this is basic, but it's still true. Granted, again, there will be variances with each person, often dramatically, but the same rules still apply.
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basic logic means more meals increase metabolism? shed light on this basic logic
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basic logic means more meals increase metabolism? shed light on this basic logic
Actually this is false, been proven wrong for quite a while now.
Just crossfit nuts trying to confuse us real lifters ;D
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no disrespect to you, but I disagree with everything you just wrote. you are absolutely NOT going to lose muscle if you don't force feed. your body just doesn't go catabolic that quickly, especially on hormones. this is such a common misconception with us bodybuilders. We have such bigorexia that we force ourselves to eat when we are not hungry and often end up looking like fucking shit. You are NOT going catabolic that quickly. You can eat when you are hungry and eat well.
you never need to force feed yourself. i only eat when i am hungry, and i honestly never over eat anymore. i actually eat a somewhat normal diet, although bigger portions than anyone off hormones, and then i get an additional 4-6 doses of protein on top of my regular meals through the day (whey shakes, egg whites, whatever).
i never, EVER binge with food, and I am 225 and 6% @ 5'11'', on no GH or slin, just AAS.
binging on food is fucking disgusting. it is just not a healthy practice. eat when you are hungry. eat well. eat SOMEWHAT healthy, as in avoid mcdonalds and burger king. drink a lot of water. etc'. this is what i do, and it has allowed me to be extremely lean year round.
on GH I was always hungry. However, I was also 235 lbs @ under 6% on GH. That is a whole other ball game. You are always hungry on gh, so I was already taking in 5000 calories a day.
You can disagree all you want. If I just eat when I am hungry, I lose weight. Period. Glad you don't have to do that.
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Heres one for you then...
I am always hungry, I mean permenantly, it never stops. I have to force my self not to eat 24/7. I eat a meal, I am still hungry. The only way I feel "full" is to eat my self sick. Even then 2 hours later Im good to go.
When I was 6 weeks old I was on baby food, my dad used to work for Heinz in the UK so we got cheap products, I used to eat 4 tubs at a time 4 times a day betime I was 6 months old.. Had to go on a diet at 1 year old ha.
I have to eat huge amounts of anything to feel full, and don't get me started on sweet food, I can eat it all day long. Im talking 2000-4000kals in one sitting just to feel full... Infact the last time I felt full I ate in 2 hrs x2 16inch pizzas back to back with chips and chicken strips which was probally over 4000kals. Im not going to pretend that I am a super human, yeah I put on weight if I eat like this for several days on the bounce, but for me eating when hungry is not an option, I am am always fucking hungry.
A diet for me is around 3000kals a day depending on the day, not juiced, normal. Geared up a diet is a bit more, I would say about 3500kals. If I eat 2000kals a day I shrivel up like no tomorrow. My dads the same, he is 64, 11 stone piss wet through and still eats like a Rhino still.
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need less when on tren and hgh, but need more when on t3 and insulin. it is a math problem in which only the person using the hormones can solve!
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need less when on tren and hgh, but need more when on t3 and insulin. it is a math problem that only the purpose using the hormones can solve!
Hormones seem to solve many problems... ;)
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Hormones seem to solve many problems... ;)
This plus TIME.
Guys, it takes time to build the QUALITY mass and shape we all strive for.
Not 3, 5 or 6 years. It takes 8, 10, and 15 depending on your metabolism
War
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Hormones seem to solve many problems... ;)
haha, oops i made a typo, i meant "the person" since it's very subjective how much someone needs to eat.
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This plus TIME.
Guys, it takes time to build the QUALITY mass and shape we all strive for.
Not 3, 5 or 6 years. It takes 8, 10, and 15 depending on your metabolism
War
time + leaving your body and soul in the gym with every workout. training like a pansy won't get you further than The Jersey Shore.
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lmao, bro i am 5x bigger than you, and my hair is sexy.
force feeding and gorging do nothing but put on fat. eat when hundry, eat till full, no need for anything more. and definitely dont need 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight. your a fucking sheep.
you would know!
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your an idiot... this discussion isnt about what people look like but if you want to bring that uip i have posted tons of pictures of myself.. go ahead and post one of you for comparison, no face needed, use whatever angles and fancy lighting you want.. if you loook even comparable to me then ill apologize and never contradict anything you post again
Brother thats not fair I am 30 your like 20! Of course I kill you in every wich way! plus you have seen my AAS and HGH personal you have not ever had that much gear in your whole life! and I use that in a blitz cycle! key is money and HGH and AAS and training. and I have more money and HGH and AAS and train harder so of course I kill you! I also have a trainer and nutrionist I work with everyday. He owns the shop with me!Im around guru knowledge everyday!
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tbombz delusional again?No way ::)
I would pay good money for a calculator that would show me exact number of calories i burned that day and how much i've eaten till that moment. ???
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Brother thats not fair I am 30 your like 20! Of course I kill you in every wich way! plus you have seen my AAS and HGH personal you have not ever had that much gar in your whole life! and I use that in a blitz cycle! key is money and HGH and AAS and training. and I have more money and HGH and AAS and train harder so of course I kill you! I also have a trainer and nutrionist I work with everyday. He owns the shop with me!Im around guru knowledge everyday!
post up some pics , front double bi and rear lat spread
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guy in the middle just took 2nd in the brit heavies this yr, put alot of size on since then....
here's what im currently eating, would be much more if i was still competitive
6.15.... 100g oats, 50g whey, bannana, handfull of frozen berries, spoon of peanut butter, blended
9.00... 2chkn brsts, sweet pot, apple
12.00.. 2 chkn breasts, sweet pot, pear/orange etc
3.30. 10 eggs, 4 yolks scrambled, 4 slices of wholemeal toast, tin of beans
6.30.. 100g oats, 50 whey, bannana, berries, pea butter, blended
7.15/30 train
9.15 2 tins of tuna, mixed in soup, 2 slices of wholemeal toast
11.00 50g protein, handfull of nuts
now im still starving most of the time, i could clear the fridge out at 3.30, i could easily up the portions or add another meal, but i think i spend enough on me food bill each week as it is
the uk guys would have noticed how much the likes of chicken,steak etc have went up in price the past few years
very similar to my diet I may eat a few more liquid meals this guys 6:15 AM shake is similar to my homemade protein shakes except I add in some plain yogurt and a little granola.I also add in half a bannana. they taste bomb. sometimes to make them thicker I add in one scoop of ice cream usually just vanilla
lots of chicken breast flame broiled and rice and veggie skewers are my other meals.
herring and salmos I also eat some days of the weak. I always eat a few chicken breast flame broiled pattys and sometims a urger patty flame broild after a workout both just made plain with no bun or sometimes just the bottom bun and I fold the patty and bottm bun so it looks like a taco. and I wash it down with a RTD protein shake usually just bought from my gym sometimes they just give them to me.its usually muscle milk I know people say they make you fat but they taste good and I always stay pretty lean.
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post up some pics , front double bi and rear lat spread
No I will send pics to people I trust via cell phone only!
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No I will send pics to people I trust via cell phone only!
sounds like your a 160 pound twink
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sounds like your a 160 pound twink
Nope I was 160 pds at 21yrs old. but I am 5-5 maybe 5-6. right now I am 204 at 8-10 bf%. Even at when I was at 160pds when I was 21yrs old I looked 175-180lbs due to being so lean! I could bench 315 pounds at 160LBs for 5-6 reps. If I offer to show someone my pics that I trust via my phone whats wrong with that! I have alot of GH15 haters on here. I wouldnt post my pic on here!. I have no problem sending them to people I know and trust though! have you seen my personal of AAS,HGH and money? the more drugs and money you have plus being working with gurus in their 50's that look mid 30's and working out hard almost daily I dont have anything to prove! I know I am big! imagine 204lbs at 5-6ft at 8% maybe 10%. I am pretty big buddy ;)
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tbombz delusional again?No way ::)
I would pay good money for a calculator that would show me exact number of calories i burned that day and how much i've eaten till that moment. ???
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