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DEAR ABBY: I'm a 15-year-old girl who has never been in trouble, but my mom treats me like I'm a criminal. She makes me go to church every Sunday. She makes me go to Catholic school, and I have to wear an ugly uniform. She won't help with my homework. She says, "I already did 10th grade." I can't wear halter tops, short shorts, a bikini or much makeup. If I tell her it's the style, she says, "Modesty is always in style."
When I go out with my friends, she wants to know where I'm going, who I'll be with, what we'll be doing, when we'll be back and their phone numbers. If I have a date with a new boy, she makes him come into the house and tell her what school he goes to. Then she makes him show her his driver's license and car registration.
I can't keep my computer in my room. When I'm using it in the den, she looks over my shoulder and won't let me go to chat rooms. I have to set the table even if we don't have company and sit down and have dinner with her every night.
If I can't afford something, she tells me to save up or budget better. She won't let me drive until I can pay for my own insurance. It's not like my mom's poor. We go to Hawaii and Lake Tahoe, and we've been to Europe and on cruises. But she won't even pay for cable TV. She says it's an idiot box and I should read a book instead.
She also makes me do my own laundry and keep my room and bathroom clean. She makes me do unfair chores like clean the guest bathroom even though I never ever use it. She wants to teach me to sew and cook, but I have no interest in those things.
She makes me visit Dad every week, and if I complain about anything, she says (very calmly and quietly, which I hate more than if she'd yell), "You can always choose to live with your dad."
She told me as long as I live under her roof, I have to abide by her rules even if I'm over 18. And I have to go to college, and if I don't, I'll have to get a job and support myself.
I could go on and on. Have you ever heard of a mother so unreasonable? I'm afraid to run away, but I don't know how much more of this I can take. -- EMOTIONALLY ABUSED IN CALIFORNIA
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she's a good mother
that's a spoilt rotten child
but then .. our nation is becoming so "entitled" that it's no surprise a little common sense used in raising children is perceived by them as "unfair" and "harsh"
when children see adults placing such value on possessions and not so much value on teaching morals and good standards it's a given they will choose the "shopping" over reading or volunteering to help someone who needs it
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That mother is a GREAT. That girl will be thanking her later, HOPEFULLY. She's trying to teach her self respect.
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she's a good mother
that's a spoilt rotten child
but then .. our nation is becoming so "entitled" that it's no surprise a little common sense used in raising children is perceived by them as "unfair" and "harsh"
when children see adults placing such value on possessions and not so much value on teaching morals and good standards it's a given they will choose the "shopping" over reading or volunteering to help someone who needs it
yeah what hot stuff said. Children suck now. Althought the mom is evil for making the kid go to church every sunday
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DEAR ABBY: I'm a 15-year-old girl who has never been in trouble, but my mom treats me like I'm a criminal. She makes me go to church every Sunday. She makes me go to Catholic school, and I have to wear an ugly uniform. She won't help with my homework. She says, "I already did 10th grade." I can't wear halter tops, short shorts, a bikini or much makeup. If I tell her it's the style, she says, "Modesty is always in style."
When I go out with my friends, she wants to know where I'm going, who I'll be with, what we'll be doing, when we'll be back and their phone numbers. If I have a date with a new boy, she makes him come into the house and tell her what school he goes to. Then she makes him show her his driver's license and car registration.
I can't keep my computer in my room. When I'm using it in the den, she looks over my shoulder and won't let me go to chat rooms. I have to set the table even if we don't have company and sit down and have dinner with her every night.
If I can't afford something, she tells me to save up or budget better. She won't let me drive until I can pay for my own insurance. It's not like my mom's poor. We go to Hawaii and Lake Tahoe, and we've been to Europe and on cruises. But she won't even pay for cable TV. She says it's an idiot box and I should read a book instead.
She also makes me do my own laundry and keep my room and bathroom clean. She makes me do unfair chores like clean the guest bathroom even though I never ever use it. She wants to teach me to sew and cook, but I have no interest in those things.
She makes me visit Dad every week, and if I complain about anything, she says (very calmly and quietly, which I hate more than if she'd yell), "You can always choose to live with your dad."
She told me as long as I live under her roof, I have to abide by her rules even if I'm over 18. And I have to go to college, and if I don't, I'll have to get a job and support myself.
I could go on and on. Have you ever heard of a mother so unreasonable? I'm afraid to run away, but I don't know how much more of this I can take. -- EMOTIONALLY ABUSED IN CALIFORNIA
Sure sounds like a typical fifteen year old girl.
Our daughter is thirty-five now. She's great woman, loving wife and caring mother to her fourteen year old son. Who, by the way, is giving her as hard a time as she gave us when she was his age....we love it!
Sometimes teenagers are a total pain in the ass, but with a little luck and a lot of patience, they grow out of it. Ah the drama!
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Sure sounds like a typical fifteen year old girl.
Our daughter is thirty-five now. She's great woman, loving wife and caring mother to her fourteen year old son. Who, by the way, is giving her as hard a time as she gave us when she was his age....we love it!
Sometimes teenagers are a total pain in the ass, but with a little luck and a lot of patience, they grow out of it. Ah the drama!
damn you are an old fart! ;D
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Props to the mother.
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damn you are an old fart! ;D
Yes I am. You will be someday too, if you are lucky enough to live this long.
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Yes I am. You will be someday too, if you are lucky enough to live this long.
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Children suck now.
my sentiments exactly. Don't get me going on 'mothers' nowadays.
I have a good friend who has 2 kids by 2 different men, and men coming in and out. I love her but, her kids are f**ked. It is an awful screwed up world nowadays.
I'm still glad I didn't have kids, I'm a spinster, and glad to be.
I've met maybe 1 half-decent kid these last 20 years, and that one was only half-decent. The rest are feral. They did a survey recently in London and the general concensus is that most adults are scared by children's behaviour nowadays.
In my day... blah blah blah
you do know, though don't you, that the Dear Abby letters are made up? The editor decides{ okay oh this week we'll talk about this new emotive issue? None of them are for real... yep i worked for a glossy mag and we made it all up, fitted it all in, cut bits out, photoshop that, just looking for good readership and attempting to hit a nerve, or a 50% of the population curve, honest.
When we (you and I) were younger, we'd have a tiff or two about boyfriends etc. But as we got older, we found that we fell out badly about how you bring up your children. I've fallen out with a few life-long friends over the way they spoil and want to be the best friend of their children.
ouch
xL
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she's old fashioned, but the kid seems to have a sense of entitlement beyond her accomplishments.
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my sentiments exactly. Don't get me going on 'mothers' nowadays.
I have a good friend who has 2 kids by 2 different men, and men coming in and out. I love her but, her kids are f**ked. It is an awful screwed up world nowadays.
I'm still glad I didn't have kids, I'm a spinster, and glad to be.
I've met maybe 1 half-decent kid these last 20 years, and that one was only half-decent. The rest are feral. They did a survey recently in London and the general concensus is that most adults are scared by children's behaviour nowadays.
In my day... blah blah blah
you do know, though don't you, that the Dear Abby letters are made up? The editor decides{ okay oh this week we'll talk about this new emotive issue? None of them are for real... yep i worked for a glossy mag and we made it all up, fitted it all in, cut bits out, photoshop that, just looking for good readership and attempting to hit a nerve, or a 50% of the population curve, honest.
When we (you and I) were younger, we'd have a tiff or two about boyfriends etc. But as we got older, we found that we fell out badly about how you bring up your children. I've fallen out with a few life-long friends over the way they spoil and want to be the best friend of their children.
ouch
xL
There is nothing new with families being messed up. What is different today from times past, is our awareness of this. In previous times, most people kept their problems to themselves. These days saying you're family is dysfunctional is commonplace.
When I was a kid, I was really spoiled. This was partly due to my being an only child. I goofed off in school, never even trying to reach my potential. My teachers would tell my mom that my IQ indicated that I should excel in school, but my ambition to do so was all but non-existent. Basically, I was just plain lazy! Despite my mom saying she was mad at me because of this, I don't remember ever being punished for poor grades.
My grandson is exceptionally bright. His first quarter as a high school freshman is almost done. His grades suck. Apparently, he hasn't turned in most of his assignments. When he found out about this situation, his dad (who is currently deployed to Afghanistan) grounded him for three months. If he doesn't bring his grades up and get current on his school work, both his mom and his dad won't let him be on the school basketball team. My grandson reminds me of me.
So when people say things suggesting kids are somehow worse today than in the past, I don't buy it.
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This is the Girl's board
no F words or vulgarity is permitted here
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DEAR ABBY: I'm a 15-year-old girl who has never been in trouble, but my mom treats me like I'm a criminal. She makes me go to church every Sunday. She makes me go to Catholic school, and I have to wear an ugly uniform. She won't help with my homework. She says, "I already did 10th grade." I can't wear halter tops, short shorts, a bikini or much makeup. If I tell her it's the style, she says, "Modesty is always in style."
When I go out with my friends, she wants to know where I'm going, who I'll be with, what we'll be doing, when we'll be back and their phone numbers. If I have a date with a new boy, she makes him come into the house and tell her what school he goes to. Then she makes him show her his driver's license and car registration.
I can't keep my computer in my room. When I'm using it in the den, she looks over my shoulder and won't let me go to chat rooms. I have to set the table even if we don't have company and sit down and have dinner with her every night.
If I can't afford something, she tells me to save up or budget better. She won't let me drive until I can pay for my own insurance. It's not like my mom's poor. We go to Hawaii and Lake Tahoe, and we've been to Europe and on cruises. But she won't even pay for cable TV. She says it's an idiot box and I should read a book instead.
She also makes me do my own laundry and keep my room and bathroom clean. She makes me do unfair chores like clean the guest bathroom even though I never ever use it. She wants to teach me to sew and cook, but I have no interest in those things.
She makes me visit Dad every week, and if I complain about anything, she says (very calmly and quietly, which I hate more than if she'd yell), "You can always choose to live with your dad."
She told me as long as I live under her roof, I have to abide by her rules even if I'm over 18. And I have to go to college, and if I don't, I'll have to get a job and support myself.
I could go on and on. Have you ever heard of a mother so unreasonable? I'm afraid to run away, but I don't know how much more of this I can take. -- EMOTIONALLY ABUSED IN CALIFORNIA
At first I thought this had to be a fake letter, but based on the responses here, apparently not :-\
There isn't one unreasonable thing required of this teen and hopefully she'll realize it in a few years.
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This is the Girl's board
no F words or vulgarity is permitted here
So noted and corrected. Thanks.
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Abby's response:
DEAR EMOTIONALLY ABUSED: Wow! Your letter should be posted on every refrigerator in the country. Rarely do I hear about a parent who tries as hard as your mother does to do a diligent job. One day you will look back and thank her.
PS. And if by chance this letter was written by your mother -- congratulations for a job well-done. I would like to nominate you for Mother of the Year.
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'I really regret it. I really regret having children'
A few months ago, Corinne Maier had one of those days. It was a pedestrian moment of domestic torture, a slice of unvarnished tedium and banality, the sort that all parents experience on a daily basis. The difference being that when Corinne Maier has a bad day, it has a way of transforming a nation.
"We went to a family dinner in the suburbs of Paris. It took us a lot of time to go there with the children, and we went because the children wanted to go. We didn't want to go, my partner and I, and it was a bit boring, but we took them anyway," she says with a Gallic nonchalance, strolling across an empty floor in the enormous, art-filled house in one of the better corners of Brussels where she lives in a kind of exile from France with her partner, Yves, 45, their daughter Laure, 13, and son, Cecil, 10.
"And on the way back, the two of us thought that it would be nice to see an exhibition on Belgian surrealists. Once inside the museum, the children began to be awful." Laure said that the exhibition was "bullshit." Cecil began to scream, so Yves took him outside. "And I started yelling at him for this: 'Why aren't you more strong with him?' And we began to argue. We didn't see anything. And at that point, I thought, 'I really regret it, I regret having children.' "
She regrets having children. And, more so, she has decided that other women ought not to have them, if they know what is good for themselves and for the world. After 13 years of maternal humiliations, she wrote a quick, funny, angry book.
Everywhere you look in France these days, you seem to see its cover: The words NO KID in English, followed by "40 Reasons for Not Having Children" in French. It is a huge bestseller. Her 40 reasons are often funny and personal ("Don't become a travelling feeding bottle," "don't adopt the idiot-language of children") sometimes bitter ("you will inevitably be disappointed with your child") and often designed to puncture the idealized notion of motherhood that poisons Western societies.
It is a combination of tart sisterly advice ("What hope is there of having a fulfilling sex life when a woman is forced to turn into a fat, deformed animal decked out in sack-like dresses?") with shock-tactic social analysis ("More murders and child abuse happen within families than outside them. Every family is a nest of vipers - all the reason not to add to your own").
Such notions, in France today, are almost unthinkable. It is a country overtaken with what Ms. Maier calls "baby mania."
There's a loud and expensive national crusade to have as many children as possible and valorize motherhood. It is a nation where the winner of the President's motherhood medal (what other country has those?) makes the cover of Paris-Match, a place where people follow the fertility rate the way Americans follow the Dow Jones Industrial Average and where a national celebration with distinctly racist overtones erupted last year when that fertility rate reached the stable-population point of 2.1 children per mother, making France the continental European leader in fecundity. Upon the loins of the Frenchwoman, the weight of a nation.
To counter this, Ms. Maier has used her little book to place a new word in the French vocabulary, a word that has entered the popular lingo in much the same way that "soccer mom" entered North American English in 1993 - and for the same reason, because it defines a new category of person who is instantly identifiable.
The word is merdeuf. French speakers recognize it instantly as a contraction of mère de famille, the traditional phrase for a full-time mother, a housewife, a woman who makes mothering her career. But the contraction turns it into something that sounds like a combination of merde and oeuf, carrying the implication that these patriotic mega-moms are "egg-shitters."
She explains: "It means, 'a woman who has children, so she no longer cares about anything else.' "
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Liz Jones Daily Mail: I Stole My Boyfriend's Sperm To Get Pregnant
Liz Jones, the Daily Mail columnist, has sparked outrage, amusement and bemusement after claiming she once stole her boyfriend’s sperm so she could get pregnant.
In Thursday’s stomach-churning confession, tagged online as: "Liz Jones makes her most shocking confession yet," she talks about her longing desire to have a child.
Jones reveals that during a particularly broody time of her life (in her late 30s if you must know) she hatched a cunning plan.
She tells the Daily Mail’s millions of readers that despite her boyfriend, Trevor, being "wildly unsuitable" because he didn’t want children she: "Resolved to steal his sperm from him in the middle of the night.
"I thought it was my right, given that he was living with me and I had bought him many, many M&S ready meals.
"The ‘theft’ itself was alarmingly easy to carry out. One night, after sex, I took the used condom and, in the privacy of the bathroom, I did what I had to do."
It doesn’t end there.
"As it turned out, my attempts to get pregnant by Trevor failed, and shortly afterwards he and I split up.
"But my dreams of motherhood persisted, and I resorted to similarly secretive methods to conceive in my next relationship."
Now Twitter has been deluged with reaction to the article and "Liz Jones" has become Thursday's second-top trending term in the UK.
MP Louise Mensch tweeted: "Enough Liz Jones tweets please. I just had breakfast."
Lauren Laverne BBC DJ added: "In all seriousness, am worried for Liz Jones."
What is the most extreme thing you’ve done to get pregnant? Tell us by commenting below.
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My wife and I made love in the living room on the floor one afternoon. Our son, who was eight years old at the time, walked in on us when he came home from school. Our daughter is the result of that experience.
My wife somehow knew she was pregnant with each of our children the very next day. Sounds crazy, I know. But both times she was right. I suspect she has ESP. The first time we met, she turned to her co-worker and said, I'm going to marry that guy.
Her co-worker said, "But he's such a jerk!" LOL!
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off topic and TMI
I don't think you have been approved here yet ???
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she's a good mother
that's a spoilt rotten child
But who spoilt her? ???
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But who spoilt her? ???
The media and her peers have given her the issues she has .. not spoilt as in "indulged" .. spoilt as in rotten
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Erm. I once did this sperm in a condom thing. It's funny how they just whip em off and leave them piled up next to the bed...
I was maybe 42 and the guy was (he said), 27, a Colombian Salsa Dancer Teacher, hot as hell, 6'3'' and totally gorgeous. But I've never wanted a child. If I had, he'd have been perfecto DNA.
I tied a knot in a condom or two and put them in the freezer. I can't remember whether I had the spermicide johnnies (yes his name was Juan) or the anti-latex anti-allergy condoms or what. (Apparantly sperm dies after contact with air and with latex?
Boris Becker Tennis Man was forced to admit paternity when a groupie in a cupboard in a nightclub. How did she manage that? Did she gob into the turkey baster as soon as he turned away? Same with Justin Beiber (allegedly).
What I did was not wrong. I just kept the frozen sperm in the freezer till he showed up again. They always come back. I just said to him, Look, you cannot be leaving these condoms all over the gaff. Please in future flush it down the toilet. If you put it under the tap for a sec and add an inch of water to your produce it'll definitely flush, if you don't it might float around for a bit. Just deal with it. Be careful in future, you're lucky. You might have had a sad weird desperate for a baby approaching past-it woman here, but you haven't, so take care. He blushed and we had sex like silly for a few more weeks and danced naked again and again. True story.
But there are some sad 39+ wanna-be-mums out there. I'm so thankful I'm too selfish to attempt parenting.
xL
Liz Jones' story (see above) is almost certainly a lie. She's doing journalistic bulls**t to gain readership.
If it's not all made up, the blokes involved who left used condoms on the bedside table should sue her for stealing their sperm. She should be charged with theft. Her situation is completely different from mine though, I've always had to shoo them away. Yeah yeah darlin', we'd make beautiful babies, but put the frigging condom on please !
I've been so lucky, I've taught men, not used them. I've persuaded them to consider parenting as more than just an option.
I feel sorry for her, she probably had to pay those men to come to her bed "I'd bought him enough ready meals, so I thought he owed me". Awful woman, despicable behaviour.
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You wot? Take a break. You surely spend too much time wanking off here.
There are 3 or 4, maybe 7 on a good day, male posters (like: you're scaring them off?) and 2,777 approved male posters on our Girly Board and you're keeping tabs? Get a life.
xL
And it was I that was off topic, way off on a tangent?
antagonistic posting again .. the rules for this board are clear
I follow them
you obviously cannot
you always have to be vulgar and off topic rambling on and on and on and on
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off topic and TMI
I don't think you have been approved here yet ???
You might be right. I did ask for approval. I play well with girls. -Always have. Would you put in a good word for me?
As far as being off topic, I was responding to xxxLinda's post about trying to get pregnant. I though my reply was appropriate.... Why was this TMI? Is making love on the living room floor in the afternoon a no, no?
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You might be right. I did ask for approval. I play well with girls. -Always have. Would you put in a good word for me?
Sorry I must have missed it? So you agree to the guidelines of this board? If so, you'll be approved!
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Erm. I once did this sperm in a condom thing. It's funny how they just whip em off and leave them piled up next to the bed...
I was maybe 42 and the guy was (he said), 27, a Colombian Salsa Dancer Teacher, hot as hell, 6'3'' and totally gorgeous. But I've never wanted a child. If I had, he'd have been perfecto DNA.
I tied a knot in a condom or two and put them in the freezer. I can't remember whether I had the spermicide johnnies (yes his name was Juan) or the anti-latex anti-allergy condoms or what. (Apparantly sperm dies after contact with air and with latex?
Boris Becker Tennis Man was forced to admit paternity when a groupie sucked him off in a cupboard in a nightclub. How did she manage that? Did she gob into the turkey baster as soon as he turned away? Same with Justin Beiber (allegedly).
What I did was not wrong. I just kept the frozen sperm in the freezer till he showed up again. They always come back. I just said to him, Look, you cannot be leaving these condoms all over the gaff. Please in future flush it down the toilet. If you put it under the tap for a sec and add an inch of water to your spunk it'll definitely flush, if you don't it might float around for a bit. Just deal with it. Be careful in future, you're lucky. You might have had a sad weird desperate for a baby approaching past-it woman here, but you haven't, so take care. He blushed and we fucked like silly for a few more weeks and danced naked again and again. True story.
But there are some sad 39+ wanna-be-mums out there. I'm so thankful I'm too selfish to attempt parenting.
xL
Liz Jones' story (see above) is almost certainly a lie. She's doing journalistic bulls**t to gain readership.
If it's not all made up, the blokes involved who left used condoms on the bedside table should sue her for stealing their sperm. She should be charged with theft. Her situation is completely different from mine though, I've always had to shoo them away. Yeah yeah darlin', we'd make beautiful babies, but put the frigging condom on please !
I've been so lucky, I've taught men, not used them. I've persuaded them to consider parenting as more than just an option.
I feel sorry for her, she probably had to pay those men to come to her bed "I'd bought him enough ready meals, so I thought he owed me". Awful woman, despicable behaviour.
Linda, this should probably be moved to the sex board. I'll leave it here for a bit before moving it in case you would rather delete or edit it (you could always delete or edit it once I move it as well). I could also move it to General if you prefer.
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I think Motherhood or lack of it as a subject to be discussed only on our Girly Board? Please don't move me.
I'm just being utterly truthful and very very honest and so too is the bloke who made a perfect baby with his wonderful partner on the rug in front of the fire.
Please don't move us from our Girly Board. I dislike every other board. If you re-read the thread you'll see that W* is confuddling it but the rest of it almost makes sense.
Wanting or not wanting to get preggers is I suggest, a Girly matter.
please and thank you
kisses and hugs
xxxLinda
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Sorry I must have missed it? So you agree to the guidelines of this board? If so, you'll be approved!
Yes I agree to the guidelines of this board. Thanks in advance for the approval. :)
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Yes I agree to the guidelines of this board. Thanks in advance for the approval. :)
You're welcome! Will go add you to the approved list now.
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I think Motherhood or lack of it as a subject to be discussed only on our Girly Board? Please don't move me.
I'm just being utterly truthful and very very honest and so too is the bloke who made a perfect baby with his wonderful partner on the rug in front of the fire.
Please don't move us from our Girly Board. I dislike every other board. If you re-read the thread you'll see that W* is confuddling it but the rest of it almost makes sense.
Wanting or not wanting to get preggers is I suggest, a Girly matter.
please and thank you
kisses and hugs
xxxLinda
Actually w8 is always well behaved on this board even when people try to draw her into conflict.
Your post is too wild for this board w/the language and detail, etc. You know this is the "tame" board. I can edit it for you if you want to see what I mean? But sometimes we won't have time for that.
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THank you ButterBean, please do what ever you decide. But can you not see that W9 is the one being confrontational and causing conflict? I try to ignore him but he follows me around, posts to my every post, and takes umbrage at whatever I say.
I have been very honest and perhaps provocative on the subject of whether to be or not to be a mother. A thread about a 15-year old girl and whether she has been taught properly is bound to be a topic worthy of discussion. About Motherhood and parental discipline in general. About morals.
Perhaps my post upset a sad someone because I was having fun sex and gently described it. But I was talking about other women stealing men's sperm. About women desperately wanting to have a child.
Whether or not Boris Becker or Justin Beiber had their sperm stolen is a Girly topic, no?
Delete the lot if you wish. All of it. Just delete it, please don't move it. Forget about it.
Thanks
xL
But warnings to young men to flush their condoms ought to be on our Girly Board. Where else will they find proper info on women?
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i actually thought her post was entertaining.
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THank you ButterBean, please do what ever you decide. But can you not see that W9 is the one being confrontational and causing conflict? I try to ignore him but he follows me around, posts to my every post, and takes umbrage at whatever I say.
I have been very honest and perhaps provocative on the subject of whether to be or not to be a mother. A thread about a 15-year old girl and whether she has been taught properly is bound to be a topic worthy of discussion. About Motherhood and parental discipline in general. About morals.
Perhaps my post upset a sad someone because I was having fun sex and gently described it. But I was talking about other women stealing men's sperm. About women desperately wanting to have a child.
Whether or not Boris Becker or Justin Beiber had their sperm stolen is a Girly topic, no?
I suspect all you need to do is clean up some of the language, like of "f" word. Although I know a few women who have potty mouths, I got the impression that it isn't acceptable to use crass terms in this forum....where you should show some decorum. LOL!
Delete the lot if you wish. All of it. Just delete it, please don't move it. Forget about it.
Thanks
xL
But warnings to young men to flush their condoms ought to be on our Girly Board. Where else will they find proper info on women?
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I kind of think the letter is fake, only because rarely in any relationship is one person so completely right and the other so completely wrong on every point. But if it is real, then the mother deserves praise and the daughter will just have to grin and bear it until she realizes the quality mother she has.
I further speculate, again assuming the letter is real, that what is influencing the girl's thoughts isn't the media as much as either her friends or cousins who "get to do whatever they want." Even worse, within every family there is at least one "know it all" aunt or "Dutch" uncle who has no children of her or his own, but is eager to give unsolicited child-rearing advice.
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Shit bum bollocks I thought this thread had died a sad and nasty dire death...
I thought STella BB said she'd elete it?
I'm glad I'm not a mother.
xL