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Eat fairly clean during the day then before bed binge. This does several things allows you to live a normal life and also before bed is one of the easiest times to eat a lot. You will not be bloated all day also and feel like shit.
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I eat only white eggs in the breakfast. And as you said, I can eat a little more in the last meals without getting too fat, I also don't look so bloated as when I eat carbs in the breakfast. But somedays I need the carbs for the energy so I have to eat them.
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Sum' good info on it. Thanks for sharing!
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its called intermittant fasting and yes it works very good.
http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html
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Eat fairly clean during the day then before bed binge. This does several things allows you to live a normal life and also before bed is one of the easiest times to eat a lot. You will not be bloated all day also and feel like shit.
Yeah, you sort of prime your body to send the carbs to the right places.
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just another calorie redistribution method, nothing new here, its the same as its always been, total calories in vs. total calories out, doesnt matter what time of day you eat them, either eat the majority of your calories early in the day and then starve at night or the other way around, same difference.
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just another calorie redistribution method, nothing new here, its the same as its always been, total calories in vs. total calories out, doesnt matter what time of day you eat them, either eat the majority of your calories early in the day and then starve at night or the other way around, same difference.
yes
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its called intermittant fasting and yes it works very good.
http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html
What he's describing isnt intermittent fasting.
Intermittent fasting is fasting (usually anywhere between 12 and 24 hours ) then having a small window ( between 12 and 4 hours depending on how long you fasted for ) where you consume all of your nutrition for the day.
What he's describing is eating clean during the day and binging at night.
That and IF are two totally different things.
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What he's describing isnt intermittent fasting.
Intermittent fasting is fasting (usually anywhere between 12 and 24 hours ) then having a small window ( between 12 and 4 hours depending on how long you fasted for ) where you consume all of your nutrition for the day.
What he's describing is eating clean during the day and binging at night.
That and IF are two totally different things.
yes and no.
he advocates only meal per day with any kind of energy calories. the rest of the day you consume only two meals, but protein only. no fats, no carbs. its basically intermittant fasting, one meal per day. protein alone doesnt really count as food, or eating "clean". "eating clean" generally refers to a meal without processed foods and loads of saturated fat, but still containing a source of starch and a source of essential fatty acids. like chicken and rice with olive oil. eggs and toast. salmon and pasta. etc.
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yes and no.
he advocates only meal per day with any kind of energy calories. the rest of the day you consume only two meals, but protein only. no fats, no carbs. its basically intermittant fasting, one meal per day. protein alone doesnt really count as food, or eating "clean". "eating clean" generally refers to a meal without processed foods and loads of saturated fat, but still containing a source of starch and a source of essential fatty acids. like chicken and rice with olive oil. eggs and toast. salmon and pasta. etc.
I was referring to what the OP is talking about. You said thats IF and it isnt. If your eating, your not fasting. Protein or not it doesnt matter.
And what you just said isnt the "lean gains" program. Not at all. What lean gains advocates is a 16/8 intermittent fast. That means you eat NOTHING for 16 hours. You can have water and a lil' coffee pre workout. Before and after you train you sip on some bcaa's. Thats it. Your 8 hours of feeding starts after you train which when scheduled correctly should be right near the end of the 16 hour fasting period.
Theres more to it but thats the basics of it.
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Eat fairly clean during the day then before bed binge. This does several things allows you to live a normal life and also before bed is one of the easiest times to eat a lot. You will not be bloated all day also and feel like shit.
You can live a perfectlyy normal life and eat carbs during the day. You need to have a set up that suits you. If you like to eat a lot of carbs before bed, good for you but that is not for everyone.
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I was referring to what the OP is talking about. You said thats IF and it isnt. If your eating, your not fasting. Protein or not it doesnt matter.
And what you just said isnt the "lean gains" program. Not at all. What lean gains advocates is a 16/8 intermittent fast. That means you eat NOTHING for 16 hours. You can have water and a lil' coffee pre workout. Before and after you train you sip on some bcaa's. Thats it. Your 8 hours of feeding starts after you train which when scheduled correctly should be right near the end of the 16 hour fasting period.
Theres more to it but thats the basics of it.
most people wouldnt consider a meal containing just some protein "eating" in the usual sense of the term. you dont feel like your eating when you just have a couple chicken breasts by themselves. (or whatever protien yu use)
lean gainz guide varies from person to person but his most common plan from what ive seen is three meals per day, two of which protein only, one of which protein+whatever you want to eat. basically a 23 and 1/2 hour fast every day.
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most people wouldnt consider a meal containing just some protein "eating" in the usual sense of the term. you dont feel like your eating when you just have a couple chicken breasts by themselves. (or whatever protien yu use)
lean gainz guide varies from person to person but his most common plan from what ive seen is three meals per day, two of which protein only, one of which protein+whatever you want to eat. basically a 23 and 1/2 hour fast every day.
Na, that is not correct.
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Im saying just not gord yourself during the day not intermittent fasting still eat oat meal and pasta or what the fuck ever just dont eat 500-700 carbs eat light or some what light then bang 150-300 carbs before bed to avoid looking like shit all day. I feel it helps recovery to and also usually craving are highest at night. Plus you wake up full of glycogen. This isnt calorie restriction this is still eat a lot just not feel like shit during the day and stop every 2.5 hrs to eat.
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Im not sayin Im right just one way to do it I do think carbs past 6 making you fat is danta bullshit at its finest. I am aware of leangains and john kiefer another guy that made intermitent fasting popular. This isnt that this is just eat normal during the day and blast at night. Im just sayin how to look good during the day.
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Na, that is not correct.
pretty much is
Fasted training
Training is initiated on an empty stomach and after ingestion of 10 g BCAA or similar amino acid mixture. This "pre-workout" meal is not counted towards the feeding phase. Technically, training is not completely fasted - that would be detrimental. The pre-workout protein intake, with its stimulatory effect on protein synthesis and metabolism, is a crucial compromise to optimize results. The 8-hour feeding phase starts with the post-workout meal.
Sample setup
11.30-12 AM or 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: Training
1 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal of the day).
4 PM: Second meal.
9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
Calories and carbs are tapered down throughout the day in the example above.
Early morning fasted training
Here's a sample setup for a client that trains early in the morning and prefers the feeding phase at noon or later. Read this for details regarding this protocol.
6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
For the sake of conveniency, I recommend getting BCAA in the form of powder and not tabs. Simply mix 30 g of BCAA powder in a shake and drink one third of it every other hour starting 5-15 minutes pre-workout. Tabs are cheaper, but much more of a hassle (you're going to have to pop a lot of tabs). Check my supplements guide for specific brand recommendations.
One pre-workout meal
This is the most common setup for my younger clients that are still in college or have flexible working hours.
Sample setup
12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Pre-workout meal. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
3-4 PM: Training should happen a few hours after the pre-workout meal.
4-5 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
Two pre-workout meals
This is the usual protocol for people with normal working hours.
Sample setup
12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Meal one. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
4-5 PM: Pre-workout meal. Roughly equal to the first meal.
8-9 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).
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which isn't what you said
there are different protocols but the basic is 3 meals over an 8 hour period (16/8) with protein and carbs in every meal....
the BCAA is for 'fasted' training
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which isn't what you said
there are different protocols but the basic is 3 meals over an 8 hour period (16/8) with protein and carbs in every meal....
the BCAA is for 'fasted' training
• On workout days, break the fast with meat, veggies and a fruit. If you’re planning to train shortly after this meal, add a few carbs in the form of a starch source – potatoes or whole grain bread, for example. Make it a medium sized meal and don’t stuff yourself. Train within 3 hrs of having eaten this meal and have a much larger meal after your workout; in this meal, add more complex carbs – and you may even have one of your favourite treats as dessert, if it’s not too high in fat and if eaten in moderation. Good examples of what I refer to as ‘treats’: low fat ice cream, sorbet or JC’s cheesecake. Bad example: Chinese buffet or your son’s birthday cake. You get the point, keep it within moderation and don’t pig out.
• On rest days, eat less calories than on workout days - do this by cutting down on carb intake, and make meat, fibrous veggies and fruit the foundation of your diet for this day. The first meal of the day should be the largest, in contrast to workout days where the post-workout meal is the largest. Largest doesn’t necessarily mean largest in terms of volume; I suggest getting at least 40% of your calorie intake in this meal, and the dominant macronutrient should be protein. I’ll have some clients eating upwards to 100 g protein in this meal, so don’t be afraid to pile on the meat (or whichever protein source you prefer). Fattier meat and fish like ground beef and salmon are examples of some excellent protein sources that may be consumed on rest days.
• In the last meal of the day, include a slow digesting protein source; preferably egg protein, cottage cheese (or any other source of casein based protein). Meat or fish is also ok if you add veggies or supplement with fiber. This meal will keep you full during the fast and exert an anti-catabolic effect on muscle protein stores by ensuring that your body has an ample supply of amino acids until the next meal.
• Whole and unprocessed foods should always take priority over processed or liquid foods, unless circumstance demands a compromise. For example, you might find yourself in situations when there is little time to eat or prepare foods – in such a situation, having a protein shake or meal replacement bar is ok, where as solid, more satiating foods should be consumed whenever there is ample time to cook.
basically, eat three meals per day, protein at each meal, with one meal containing most of the calories. thats his "basic". whethe ryou eat all of your carbs and fats in that one meal or save a little bit of them for the other meals is up to you.
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most people wouldnt consider a meal containing just some protein "eating" in the usual sense of the term. you dont feel like your eating when you just have a couple chicken breasts by themselves. (or whatever protien yu use)
lean gainz guide varies from person to person but his most common plan from what ive seen is three meals per day, two of which protein only, one of which protein+whatever you want to eat. basically a 23 and 1/2 hour fast every day.
Wrong!
lean gains only differs in the time of day you start and end your fast.
its a 16hr fast/8 hr feeding type of Intermittent fasting....
And eating chicken breast is eating.
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• On workout days, break the fast with meat, veggies and a fruit. If you’re planning to train shortly after this meal, add a few carbs in the form of a starch source – potatoes or whole grain bread, for example. Make it a medium sized meal and don’t stuff yourself. Train within 3 hrs of having eaten this meal and have a much larger meal after your workout; in this meal, add more complex carbs – and you may even have one of your favourite treats as dessert, if it’s not too high in fat and if eaten in moderation. Good examples of what I refer to as ‘treats’: low fat ice cream, sorbet or JC’s cheesecake. Bad example: Chinese buffet or your son’s birthday cake. You get the point, keep it within moderation and don’t pig out.
• On rest days, eat less calories than on workout days - do this by cutting down on carb intake, and make meat, fibrous veggies and fruit the foundation of your diet for this day. The first meal of the day should be the largest, in contrast to workout days where the post-workout meal is the largest. Largest doesn’t necessarily mean largest in terms of volume; I suggest getting at least 40% of your calorie intake in this meal, and the dominant macronutrient should be protein. I’ll have some clients eating upwards to 100 g protein in this meal, so don’t be afraid to pile on the meat (or whichever protein source you prefer). Fattier meat and fish like ground beef and salmon are examples of some excellent protein sources that may be consumed on rest days.
• In the last meal of the day, include a slow digesting protein source; preferably egg protein, cottage cheese (or any other source of casein based protein). Meat or fish is also ok if you add veggies or supplement with fiber. This meal will keep you full during the fast and exert an anti-catabolic effect on muscle protein stores by ensuring that your body has an ample supply of amino acids until the next meal.
• Whole and unprocessed foods should always take priority over processed or liquid foods, unless circumstance demands a compromise. For example, you might find yourself in situations when there is little time to eat or prepare foods – in such a situation, having a protein shake or meal replacement bar is ok, where as solid, more satiating foods should be consumed whenever there is ample time to cook.
basically, eat three meals per day, protein at each meal, with one meal containing most of the calories. thats his "basic". whethe ryou eat all of your carbs and fats in that one meal or save a little bit of them for the other meals is up to you.
it has nothing to do with 3 meals a day.
its about FASTING!
you could eat 1, 2, 3 , 4 meals or whatever. The thing is your fitting a full days worth of food in 8 hours. So it usually ends up being 3 or 4 meals. But that isnt a magic number.
read thru his site again. its a 16 hour fast with an 8 hour feeding window.
For example. If I eat my last meal at 8 pm tonite. Im not eating again until noon tomorrow, and Ill eat from noon to 8pm. That means NO FOOD, no chicken breast, no protein, no nothing. Just a few bcaa servings especially before and after training.
You really have to go through and read that site again before you go around giving misinformation.
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you will still be bloated eating carbs at night instead of during the day. i mean really, you think in 6 hours all those carbs will magically disappear while you are sleeping? besides people get bloated from the aas not the carbs
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Wrong!
lean gains only differs in the time of day you start and end your fast.
its a 16hr fast/8 hr feeding type of Intermittent fasting....
And eating chicken breast is eating.
it has nothing to do with 3 meals a day.
its about FASTING!
you could eat 1, 2, 3 , 4 meals or whatever. The thing is your fitting a full days worth of food in 8 hours. So it usually ends up being 3 or 4 meals. But that isnt a magic number.
read thru his site again. its a 16 hour fast with an 8 hour feeding window.
For example. If I eat my last meal at 8 pm tonite. Im not eating again until noon tomorrow, and Ill eat from noon to 8pm. That means NO FOOD, no chicken breast, no protein, no nothing. Just a few bcaa servings especially before and after training.
You really have to go through and read that site again before you go around giving misinformation.
lmao
both of you are obviously sheeple
3 meals spread out over 8 hours, with each meal containing protien and one of those meals containing the majority of the calories.
;D
im not sure if your stupid slow or what
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lmao
both of you are obviously sheeple
3 meals spread out over 8 hours, with each meal containing protien and one of those meals containing the majority of the calories.
;D
im not sure if your stupid slow or what
seriously dude. just go back and read it again.
you are totally wrong and dont know what you're talking about.
ill just leave it at that. it doesnt make sense to argue with someone who has no clue what they are talking about.
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seriously dude. just go back and read it again.
you are totally wrong and dont know what you're talking about.
ill just leave it at that. it doesnt make sense to argue with someone who has no clue what they are talking about.
you both quoted stuff exactly from his site. but none of it contradicted what i said. im laughing at you because you cant see that what i said was exactly what you guys are saying(copying from the website) but just in simpler terms(my own terms). thats why icalled you sheeple. its indicative that you have to be given directions and cant formulate things on your own.
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you both quoted stuff exactly from his site. but none of it contradicted what i said. im laughing at you because you cant see that what i said was exactly what you guys are saying(copying from the website) but just in simpler terms(my own terms). thats why icalled you sheeple. its indicative that you have to be given directions and cant formulate things on your own.
well you obviously cant read then.
because first you saying eating protein alone really isnt eating which is just asinine.
then your saying that lean gains is about eating 3 meals a day. which again is toally false.
lastly, its a system...you dont simplify it or formulate it on your own. if your going to say something is lean gains and say its about eating 3 meals a day your dead wrong.
im done with this thread because you are completely wrong about this and you dont see it. why do you think galvatron said you are wrong and pretty much said the same thing that I did? you think we're both wrong?? and your right? come on dude. you cant be that stupid.
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well you obviously cant read then.
because first you saying eating protein alone really isnt eating which is just asinine.
its not
then your saying that lean gains is about eating 3 meals a day. which again is toally false.
it is 3 meals per day
lastly, its a system...you dont simplify it or formulate it on your own. if your going to say something is lean gains and say its about eating 3 meals a day your dead wrong.
and you proved my point about you needing direction ;D
im done with this thread because you are completely wrong about this and you dont see it. why do you think galvatron said you are wrong and pretty much said the same thing that I did? you think we're both wrong?? and your right? come on dude. you cant be that stupid.
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you will still be bloated eating carbs at night instead of during the day. i mean really, you think in 6 hours all those carbs will magically disappear while you are sleeping? besides people get bloated from the aas not the carbs
yes they will magicaly disappear and fill your muscles.
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pretty much is
Fasted training
Training is initiated on an empty stomach and after ingestion of 10 g BCAA or similar amino acid mixture. This "pre-workout" meal is not counted towards the feeding phase. Technically, training is not completely fasted - that would be detrimental. The pre-workout protein intake, with its stimulatory effect on protein synthesis and metabolism, is a crucial compromise to optimize results. The 8-hour feeding phase starts with the post-workout meal.
Sample setup
11.30-12 AM or 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: Training
1 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal of the day).
4 PM: Second meal.
9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
Calories and carbs are tapered down throughout the day in the example above.
Early morning fasted training
Here's a sample setup for a client that trains early in the morning and prefers the feeding phase at noon or later. Read this for details regarding this protocol.
6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
For the sake of conveniency, I recommend getting BCAA in the form of powder and not tabs. Simply mix 30 g of BCAA powder in a shake and drink one third of it every other hour starting 5-15 minutes pre-workout. Tabs are cheaper, but much more of a hassle (you're going to have to pop a lot of tabs). Check my supplements guide for specific brand recommendations.
One pre-workout meal
This is the most common setup for my younger clients that are still in college or have flexible working hours.
Sample setup
12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Pre-workout meal. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
3-4 PM: Training should happen a few hours after the pre-workout meal.
4-5 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.
Two pre-workout meals
This is the usual protocol for people with normal working hours.
Sample setup
12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Meal one. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
4-5 PM: Pre-workout meal. Roughly equal to the first meal.
8-9 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).
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tbombz, dude you were wrong just admit it and move on. You can twist and turn things all you want. I have read his site and i'm very well aware of his method (his variation of intermittent fasting). You don't need to copy and paste a wall of text.
There are several protocols but the main idea is that you fast 16 hours and have an 8 hour eating window. For women the recommended fasted period is a bit shorter, 14 hours...as they seem to be more sensitive (get headaches, more hunger issues). Other than that there always needs to be some individualization but the most common protocol is is 3 meals within the 8 hour window (but you could eat twice or 4 times...up to you). One of the ideas of the leangains approach is that it is supposed to make your life easier. You don't have to eat every 3 hours.
The majority of calories should be eaten after the workout (in his leangains approach), so if you eat 3 meals you put one medium sized meal (including both protein and carbs) before the workout and then after the workout you eat the biggest meal of the day and then a third later on. On non workout days, fats are supposed to be kept a bit lower than on workout days. (not that I personally think this really is a big issue but that is another discussion).
He also has protocols for people who train early during the day (during the 'fasted' period)...he recommends to those people to have BCAA (or EAA....maybe a small protein shake..but preferably BCAA to keep calories down at this stage) before they workout so that you have some amino acids in your blood as you workout. Then you either eat a regular meal after the workout or in some protocols you don't break the 'fast' yet and have some more BCAA. Of course if you have BCAA you aren't really fasting anymore but that is how he sets it up.
There is no 23 1/2 hour fast (as you said) and no rule that says you can't have carbs in a meal (other than the 'fasted' training with BCAA before and sometimes after the workout depending on the specific protocol). And the big meal of the day is not to eat whatever you want, yeah you can be flexible but the leangains approach is not a green light for eating a lot of shit and disregarding calories in vs calories out.
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and seriously, what is up with this copy and paste stuff? I'm not refering only to you tbombz, but copying and pasting information does not constitute knowledge.
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3 meals per day, majority of calories in one of those meals, mainly protein in the other two meals.. most people wouldnt consider consuming protein by itself 'eating'.. i know i dont.. certainly doesnt quell cravings for tasty food when hungry.. = exactly what said from the beginning.... im sorry your such a sheep that you cant comprehend different wordings of the same method... i suggest you try thinking on your own every once in a while
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I think the idea of the OP is closer to the Warrior diet.
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i swear lol you fellas over complicate things to much lol,, inject you ass with the trenbolona ace and eat ice cream,, reseees brayers kind thats all you need,, oh and lol hgh too lol ...preferbly kigtropina,,
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Lamo i was waiting for your reply ;D
i swear lol you fellas over complicate things to much lol,, inject you ass with the trenbolona ace and eat ice cream,, reseees brayers kind thats all you need,, oh and lol hgh too lol ...preferbly kigtropina,,
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Only today i realized why he preached so much this ice cream
it fills you up
it satisfied your sweet tooth
the cals and macros ratio of this ice cream are relatively good
sadly i only realized it after i was carving so hard, i was so flat and my sweet tooth was hitting a peak, i had no ice cream and ended up eating bunch of sweet junk.
oh and worst thing is that im still hungry -_-
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Lamo i was waiting for your reply ;D
tbomz with just a tad of overanalysing! :)
Just fucking eat good....keep an eye on the mirror,if you start to look like shit,cut back on carbs/cals,eat cleaner,train harder,pick up the pace of your cardio,or add cardio in if you aren`t already doing it !!
It ain`t all that hard to figure out.
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I do IF but if I get hungry I have no problem breaking my fast because I've gotten so lean using that protocol. I eat anything I want, and I especially eat lots at night directly before bed. I wake up shredded and hard as a cock.
Works way better with meal prep too. I only need to cook maybe one meal a day at most. I can cook a huge, ballin' meal instead of cooking a monster amount of chicken and broccoli.
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tbomz with just a tad of overanalysing! :)
Just fucking eat good....keep an eye on the mirror,if you start to look like shit,cut back on carbs/cals,eat cleaner,train harder,pick up the pace of your cardio,or add cardio in if you aren`t already doing it !!
It ain`t all that hard to figure out.
Well said, lazy ass mother fuckers want the magical answer to do little and look decent.
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Well said, lazy ass mother fuckers want the magical answer to do little and look decent.
No shit huh ? :)