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While Benny is focusing on bullshit stories like Cain "melting down" he and others like him neglect the real stories.
President Obama's United States Department of Agriculture has delayed shale gas drilling in Ohio for up to six months by cancelling a mineral lease auction for Wayne National Forest (WNF). The move was taken in deference to environmentalists, on the pretext of studying the effects of hydraulic fracturing.
“Conditions have changed since the 2006 Forest Plan was developed," announced WNF Supervisor Anne Carey on Tuesday. "The technology used in the Utica & Marcellus Shale formations need to be studied to see if potential effects to the surface are significantly different than those identified in the Forest Plan." The study will take up to six months to complete. The WNF study reportedly "will focus solely on how it could affect forest land," despite the significance of hydraulic fracturing to united proponents of the delay, "and not how it could affect groundwater."
Speaking of the WNF gas drilling, one environmentalist group spokesman suggested that moving forward with drilling "could turn the Ohio Valley into Ozone Alley," even though Wayne National Forest already has nearly 1300 oil and gas wells in operation.
The Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program (OOGEEP) recently estimated that drilling in the Utica shale, which is affected by the suspension of the mineral lease auctions, would produce up 204,500 jobs by 2015.
"The President’s plan is to simply say ‘no’ to new energy production," House Natural Resources Committee chairman Doc Hastings, R-Wash, said to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar during a hearing pertaining to hydraulic fracturing. "It’s a plan that is sending American jobs overseas, forfeiting new revenue, and denying access to American energy that would lessen our dependence on hostile Middle Eastern oil."
Salazar denied that suggestion, noting the sales of mineral leases over the last two years, but he also affirmed environmentalist concerns. "The increasing use of hydraulic fracturing has raised a number of concerns about the potential impacts on water quality and availability, particularly with respect to the chemical composition of fracturing fluids and the methods used."
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He's going to destroy this country.
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While Benny is focusing on bullshit stories like Cain "melting down" he and others like him neglect the real stories.
Well, first of all you (or the original author of the article you quoted without attribution) forgot to mention that the "Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program" is funded by the oil industry. While there's nothing wrong with them being an industry funded and backed group, per se, it does change the calculus slightly by providing some important context.
Now I'm all for using our own national resources if we can do it safely, and hydraulic fracturing seems fairly safe and the critics seem to be overreacting.
But that some oil industry trade group says that it's safe or will produce a certain number of jobs doesn't necessairly make it so.
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Well, first of all you (al author of the article you quoted without attribution) forgot to mention that the "Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program" is funded by the oil industry. While there's nothing wrong with them being an industry funded and backed group, per se, it does change the calculus slightly by providing some important context.
Now I'm all for using our own national resources if we can do it safely, and hydraulic fracturing seems fairly safe and the critics seem to be overreacting.
But that some oil industry trade group says that it's safe or will produce a certain number of jobs doesn't necessairly make it so.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-usda-delays-shale-drilling-200k-jobs
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-usda-delays-shale-drilling-200k-jobs
Thanks for the link.
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Now I'm all for using our own national resources if we can do it safely
burning fossil fuels is not safe
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maybe you idiots should read up on the dangers of shale drilling ::)
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Danger shmanger.
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burning fossil fuels is not safe
That's an exceedingly broad and ridiculous statement. You are saying, among other things, that cooking a steak on a charcoal BBQ is not safe. That's patently ridiculous. Not safe how? And why? Are all fossil fuels not safe, or just some? Are they unsafe when burned in any amount or is there a minimum amount? What does safe even mean? Safe in what respect?
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That's an exceedingly broad and ridiculous statement. You are saying, among other things, that cooking a steak on a charcoal BBQ is not safe. That's patently ridiculous. Not safe how? And why? Are all fossil fuels not safe, or just some? Are they unsafe when burned in any amount or is there a minimum amount? What does safe even mean? Safe in what respect?
ok. i will quantify. burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is unsafe for the environment, could possibly lead to the destrucion of earths ecosystem as we know it.
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Drill that shit.
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ok. i will quantify. burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is unsafe for the environment, could possibly lead to the destrucion of earths ecosystem as we know it.
It's not entirely clear that burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is any more unsafe for the environment than, say, methane released by cows. What is certain is that the technology to reduce particulate emissions from the burning of fossil fuels has dramatically improved and will continue to do so. As to the question of where it could possibly lead that is, at best, unclear. It's exceedingly unlikely that the continued burning of fossil fuels on the current industrial scale will lead to the destruction of the earth's ecosystem, given the above mentioned improvements in technology.
I'm curious, what is your opinion on nuclear reactors, especially generation 4 reactor designs, such as pebble-bed, molten salt and 'lifter', for power generation?
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It's not entirely clear that burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is any more unsafe for the environment than, say, methane released by cows. What is certain is that the technology to reduce particulate emissions from the burning of fossil fuels has dramatically improved and will continue to do so. As to the question of where it could possibly lead that is, at best, unclear. It's exceedingly unlikely that the continued burning of fossil fuels on the current industrial scale will lead to the destruction of the earth's ecosystem, given the above mentioned improvements in technology.
I'm curious, what is your opinion on nuclear reactors, especially generation 4 reactor designs, such as pebble-bed, molten salt and 'lifter', for power generation?
You sound really smart.
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Drill that shit.
I'm with this guy. The economy is on the verge of collapse, huge unemployement, etc.and his answer, is to revoke countracts that would employ hundreds of thousands because a small group fears it might be harmful to the ecosystem. Ludicrous. Clearly we care more about the small number of bleeding hearts (all employed and not hurting for money I suspect) than we do the families those jobs could feed. Ludicrous.
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You sound really smart.
I just copy stuff from Wikipedia... When the Interwebs are down I'm dumb as a brick.
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Oh, stop.
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I'm with this guy. The economy is on the verge of collapse, huge unemployement, etc.and his answer, is to revoke countracts that would employ hundreds of thousands because a small group fears it might be harmful to the ecosystem. Ludicrous. Clearly we care more about the small number of bleeding hearts (all employed and not hurting for money I suspect) than we do the families those jobs could feed. Ludicrous.
What if it destroys farm land, causes load of cancer etc. Oil is dirty, pretending it isnt is fucking stupid. It has real economic costs not just some liberal bs, what do you think the gulf spill did to the local tourism and fishing industries. This is the kinda crap that makes me hate cons. Oil is always dirty same with coal. Granted we need energy production, but anyone trying to be simplistic on this shit should be fucking shot. Its complicated and risky no matter what way you look at it.
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It's not entirely clear that burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is any more unsafe for the environment than, say, methane released by cows. What is certain is that the technology to reduce particulate emissions from the burning of fossil fuels has dramatically improved and will continue to do so. As to the question of where it could possibly lead that is, at best, unclear. It's exceedingly unlikely that the continued burning of fossil fuels on the current industrial scale will lead to the destruction of the earth's ecosystem, given the above mentioned improvements in technology.
I'm curious, what is your opinion on nuclear reactors, especially generation 4 reactor designs, such as pebble-bed, molten salt and 'lifter', for power generation?
while the release of green house gases from the burning of fossil fuels is only one part of the equation and other fossil fuels do certainly contribute, particularly mehtane, carbon dioxide is the strongest of all of them by far, with the exception fo water.
while technologies are improving, they will not eliminate further pollution, nor will they do anything to halt the effects of pollution nalready done. when you make a splas in one side of a pool, the wave does not reach the other side instantaenously. 200 hundred years of extrremely heavy co2 release. even if we stop all emissions today, we would still suffer the consequences of past pollution for years to come. in fact its entirely possible that weve already gone past a "tipping point" and the destruction of the earths atmosphere is inevtibale unless we develop some kind of weather control technology. but that is just a slight possibility. what is real is the need to eliminate emmissions asap. the science is extremely strong in this regard.
whats my feelings on nuclear energy? im all for it. except i think solar, wind, and ocean currents are also possibilities.
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Carbon Dioxide is harmful to the environment?
Can we blame the trees?
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Carbon Dioxide is harmful to the environment?
Can we blame the trees?
lmao
you mean the animals
plants convert co2 into oxygen
animals convert oxygen into co2
;)
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And it's harmful?
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And it's harmful?
yes, when levels get out of balance, it definitely is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
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Obama is right with this one but he lacks the alternative. thus hes only half efficient
in otherwords hes right in saying that we shouldnt do "such and such" but he lacks saying we SHOULD do such and such
the average nerds should ride horses (no insurance, only cost is to feed the horse), cut automobile usage in half
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No he's not, dumbass.
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Shale "drilling" is one of the most environmentally dangerous methods of extracting oil. What good is a job when your environment is nothing but sh*t?
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Shale "drilling" is one of the most environmentally dangerous methods of extracting oil. What good is a job when your environment is nothing but sh*t?
Obama is saving the environment, coach only cares about money, if it were up to him, we would be living in cesspools of chemicals and toxic waste while he lives in his rich neighborhood far away.
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Obama: Savior of the Environment.
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morons are out in full force here. Coach doesn't even know the first thing about shale drilling and all he cares about is the jobs, what about the jobs?????????????????
it's so fucking shortsighted its laughable
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morons are out in full force here. Coach doesn't even know the first thing about shale drilling and all he cares about is the jobs, what about the jobs?????????????????
it's so fucking shortsighted its laughable
x2 good post
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morons are out in full force here. Coach doesn't even know the first thing about shale drilling and all he cares about is the jobs, what about the jobs?????????????????
it's so fucking shortsighted its laughable
Coach doesn't give a shit about anything except Obama losing. ;)
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200k not going to be able to work. Obama is such a great humanitarian.
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200k not going to be able to work. Obama is such a great humanitarian.
Ecological damage !=humanitarianism.
Any reason why you've given up the global warming hysteria, Coach?
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200k not going to be able to work. Obama is such a great humanitarian.
Lolz and what if he damages an ecosystem to the point that it costs 200k jobs then what. Seriously dude just shut up. The environment is no fucking joke as a conservative I have a great deal of hatred of people that are cons that have no value for the environment.
The fact is the environment usually relates to money 90 percent of time. Whether or not its the cost of food, drinking water, medical costs insurance costs, legal costs, real estate costs, energy costs, the list is endless simply because the environment is the realm from which we gain most of our wealth.
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What IF it doesn't?
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What IF it doesn't?
then we go ahead but you ain't waiting for that you've already made up your mind. I'm pro industry as can be, but youd have to be naive as a child to think that any and I mean any major industrial activity is free of massive environmental costs.To think obama is doing this with zero cause, obamas not stupid just completely overwhelmed.
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So should we shut down fuel processing plants or factories?
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The government a couple of years ago put over 50k people out of work in Central Cal to save a fish. Was that right have families struggle like that over a fish?
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coach obviously has no soul for animals god created or the earth as a whole, he doesn't respect it, even though his suppose god created it. He wants to destroy it so more money can be made, pure greed.
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What are you going to do? The environment is an issue and its degradation is going to cost us all a lot of comfort, money, jobs...etc in the future, so we have start taking measures now.
People need to work, but they can't be put to work in a way that will harm them and others in the now possible near future.
Seems like this is a theme for all human life right now: we are picking and choosing what is best rather than simply taking the first most aggressive route.
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The government a couple of years ago put over 50k people out of work in Central Cal to save a fish. Was that right have families struggle like that over a fish?
There was really no choice. The law is the law. And the law mandated that they Government had to protect the delta smelt. So they Government did by shutting down the water pumps. Don't blame the Government. Blame the buffoons who voted them into power.
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Good. Jobs can be created elsewhere. We only have one environment.
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Americans cool! :o
Rosneft commin' to drill in USA with Exxon!!!
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-30/exxon-wins-russian-arctic-access-in-deal-opening-gulf-of-mexico-to-rosneft
" Rosneft may become the first major Russian oil producer to develop U.S. deposits, gaining experience in deep-water and shale oil. "
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The government a couple of years ago put over 50k people out of work in Central Cal to save a fish. Was that right have families struggle like that over a fish?
Are you a fucking 4 year old, this is exactly the kind of shit Im talking about. Your making it sound as if the hippies wanna have sex with the fish. The truth is they were most likely over fishing it, depletion of fish stocks is the biggest issue in fishing from boston to japan there been millions and millions of jobs and meals lost because governments waited for far to long to get involved. Seriously dude do you even fucking think before typing.
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Are you a fucking 4 year old, this is exactly the kind of shit Im talking about. Your making it sound as if the hippies wanna have sex with the fish. The truth is they were most likely over fishing it, depletion of fish stocks is the biggest issue in fishing from boston to japan there been millions and millions of jobs and meals lost because governments waited for far to long to get involved. Seriously dude do you even fucking think before typing.
I hope that you and your entire family die from an extremely painful terminal illness.
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ok. i will quantify. burning fossil fuels on an industrial scale is unsafe for the environment, could possibly lead to the destrucion of earths ecosystem as we know it.
fucking please. You morons wantus all in tents under candles.
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Are you a fucking 4 year old, this is exactly the kind of shit Im talking about. Your making it sound as if the hippies wanna have sex with the fish. The truth is they were most likely over fishing it, depletion of fish stocks is the biggest issue in fishing from boston to japan there been millions and millions of jobs and meals lost because governments waited for far to long to get involved. Seriously dude do you even fucking think before typing.
speak !
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Are you a fucking 4 year old, this is exactly the kind of shit Im talking about. Your making it sound as if the hippies wanna have sex with the fish. The truth is they were most likely over fishing it, depletion of fish stocks is the biggest issue in fishing from boston to japan there been millions and millions of jobs and meals lost because governments waited for far to long to get involved. Seriously dude do you even fucking think before typing.
It's not an overfishing issue; it's pestilence. Tiny smelt somehow ended up in the aqueduct, so they've drastically cut the pumps and choked off the farmers to protect the fish. It's a manmade waterway and the smelt didn't belong there to begin with.
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While Benny is focusing on bullshit stories like Cain "melting down" he and others like him neglect the real stories.
President Obama's United States Department of Agriculture has delayed shale gas drilling in Ohio for up to six months by cancelling a mineral lease auction for Wayne National Forest (WNF). The move was taken in deference to environmentalists, on the pretext of studying the effects of hydraulic fracturing.
“Conditions have changed since the 2006 Forest Plan was developed," announced WNF Supervisor Anne Carey on Tuesday. "The technology used in the Utica & Marcellus Shale formations need to be studied to see if potential effects to the surface are significantly different than those identified in the Forest Plan." The study will take up to six months to complete. The WNF study reportedly "will focus solely on how it could affect forest land," despite the significance of hydraulic fracturing to united proponents of the delay, "and not how it could affect groundwater."
Speaking of the WNF gas drilling, one environmentalist group spokesman suggested that moving forward with drilling "could turn the Ohio Valley into Ozone Alley," even though Wayne National Forest already has nearly 1300 oil and gas wells in operation.
The Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program (OOGEEP) recently estimated that drilling in the Utica shale, which is affected by the suspension of the mineral lease auctions, would produce up 204,500 jobs by 2015.
"The President’s plan is to simply say ‘no’ to new energy production," House Natural Resources Committee chairman Doc Hastings, R-Wash, said to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar during a hearing pertaining to hydraulic fracturing. "It’s a plan that is sending American jobs overseas, forfeiting new revenue, and denying access to American energy that would lessen our dependence on hostile Middle Eastern oil."
Salazar denied that suggestion, noting the sales of mineral leases over the last two years, but he also affirmed environmentalist concerns. "The increasing use of hydraulic fracturing has raised a number of concerns about the potential impacts on water quality and availability, particularly with respect to the chemical composition of fracturing fluids and the methods used."
There was never going to be any additional jobs but hydraulic fraking near communities is not going to fly.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/391552/july-11-2011/anti-frack-attack
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fucking please. You morons wantus all in tents under candles.
do you believe the sun orbits the earth , or the other way around? why ? have you done the scientific observations on your own? or do you just go by what the experts have told you, and what scientific consensus says ? :)
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Another coach thread backfire. Things never change. 8)
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Another coach thread backfire. Things never change. 8)
lol
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Liberals generally think that when confronted with facts.
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Liberals generally think that when confronted with facts.
When you start really talking to most of these far left lons you find out:
1. They can't point to a viable alternative to oil at this stage.
2. They dont give a shit if millions lose their jobs or cant afford to heat their homes.
3. They can't point to a single country they want us to model ourselves after but want to collapse our country with no plan thereafter.
4. They never explain how people will get to work or travel in their ideal utopia
5. Usually these idiots are around 18-25 yo and still brain dead without ever having any real world responsibilities.
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Liberals generally think that when confronted with facts.
What? Conservatives don't use facts, they make up their own facts and keep repeating them until people start believing them.
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333 nailed it!!
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When you start really talking to most of these far left lons you find out:
1. They can't point to a viable alternative to oil at this stage.
2. They dont give a shit if millions lose their jobs or cant afford to heat their homes.
3. They can't point to a single country they want us to model ourselves after but want to collapse our country with no plan thereafter.
4. They never explain how people will get to work or travel in their ideal utopia
5. Usually these idiots are around 18-25 yo and still brain dead without ever having any real world responsibilities.
You must not watch other news stations besides Fox. Wasn't it the GOP that decided to hold hostage the country so the rich could get bush tax cuts for another 2 years, while unemployment benefits for the poor jobless were going to run out, they wouldn't be able to heat their home.
Battery powered cars and federal gov't fleet is changing to gas alternatives by some year mandated. Did you see who the Occupy protesters were? They were not 18 - 25, they were middle age and jobless. Some younger ppl mixed in, but in all it was not a youth movement.
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When you start really talking to most of these far left lons you find out:
1. They can't point to a viable alternative to oil at this stage.
Whats your fix on this einstein
2. They dont give a shit if millions lose their jobs or cant afford to heat their homes.
Yeah I,m sure ::)
3. They can't point to a single country they want us to model ourselves after but want to collapse our country with no plan thereafter.
There are only about 5-10 descent countries on the planet this is such a meaningless statement. This kind of talk shows your narrow mindedness
4. They never explain how people will get to work or travel in their ideal utopia
Going back to the question before it, we use about 5-10 times more energy than could be used with alternative infrastructure.
5. Usually these idiots are around 18-25 yo and still brain dead without ever having any real world responsibilities. Im sure thats accurate ::)
As per usual you dwell on the irational extreme and ignore the rational majority.
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He's going to destroy this country.
i think he may already :'(
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As per usual you dwell on the irational extreme and ignore the rational majority.
good post mikmaq, showing just how delusional those far right conservatives are, I think they live on their own planet sometimes.