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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: DorianGrey on November 28, 2011, 12:18:04 PM
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sup guys let me give u guys some info
age - 27
height = 6'2
weight - 248
bf - 15% so that probably means 17%
no pic bcuz of career
Cycle
600mg Test e ( 300mg x 2 )
40mg Dbol ( 20mg x 2 )
Clomid PCT 50/50/50/50
Nolva on hand
this is my first cycle and i have some questions....
1. ai? yay or nay? Best dosing this seems to be the most confusing information
2. ive been feeling kinda weird lately...nothing crazy but just weird...placebo? only 2 weeks in cycle..
3. Diet is 40/40/20..carbs before n after workout only. any suggestions?
thanks for the help ppl
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Swapping an AI (preferably aromasin aka exemestane) for the clomid/nolva and taking it throughout your cycle would probably be a good idea. Also, 250iu HCG twice weekly would keep your balls functioning.
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Swapping an AI (preferably aromasin aka exemestane) for the clomid/nolva and taking it throughout your cycle would probably be a good idea. Also, 250iu HCG twice weekly would keep your balls functioning.
balls are overrated...i already got 2 kids...who needs em? lol
i was not planning on running the clomid or the nolva throughout cycle if thats what you thought.
what dose would u recommend i run the aromasin..i have some coming in 12.5 n 25 mg.
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bump
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dbol 40mg per week?
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I think it looks horrible.
this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.
ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.
is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.
test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.
now all anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.
on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.
something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.
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I think it looks horrible.
this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.
ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.
is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.
test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.
now all anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.
on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.
something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.
fantastic posting!
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What's your goal? What are you wanting? A 4 week cycle isn't even worth doing. If you're going to get into bodybuilding do it properly dont' fuck around. I would highly recommend you read all 3 phases of the "Bodybuilding for the Poor" by gh15. The only advice I take is from gh15. He said just by taking 200mg of trenbolone ace a week you'll look like a bodybuilder and that's what I take and I'm seeing the difference big time.
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thanks for all the replies fellas..
this is my first cycle thats why i chose test and dbol..
im gonna keep the dbol for longer then.,
any tips on the ai dosage?
my goal is to build some mass while trying to maintain same bf or close to it...
thanks for all the help fellas
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I'd go for 50 mg tren ED. Fuck test, it bloats the shit out of me. If you want lean, quality mass, go for trenbolona.
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lyquid gave you solid info ;)
Don't follow retards advices by first cycle test only & co...It is all bullshit,they advocate like retards.If you have bad sides to test,that doesnt guarantte you the same with trenbologne,nandrolone,eq and stuff.The same goes for everything,you have to try it on your own skin to see what's suitable for you.Start with 40 dbol(be sure it's legit) and 50 tren-a ed.If you go well you can add some test-p if lacking sex-drive.You should not need any ai,but if you still do,get some aromasin and start at 12.5 a day.Aromasin it's better than arimidex or letro cause it's working on a different way on estrogen,no interaction at all with aas.
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lyquid gave you solid info ;)
Don't follow retards advices by first cycle test only & co...It is all bullshit,they advocate like retards.If you have bad sides to test,that doesnt guarantte you the same with trenbologne,nandrolone,eq and stuff.The same goes for everything,you have to try it on your own skin to see what's suitable for you.Start with 40 dbol(be sure it's legit) and 50 tren-a ed.If you go well you can add some test-p if lacking sex-drive.You should not need any ai,but if you still do,get some aromasin and start at 12.5 a day.Aromasin it's better than arimidex or letro cause it's working on a different way on estrogen,no interaction at all with aas.
This. The only downside to tren every day is that it might be difficult to inject every day when you're new to it. You should get used to it after a week or two, though.
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Again than you guys for the help but I'm already in week 2.
I understand the logic behind using trenbolona...I'm just not used to injecting so often, maybe next cycle.
Can I add tren e and pin it x2 a week with the test e?
Or any other compound recommended to add?
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Sure you can but you need to run smth like 12-14 weeks to run things properly.Plus tren-e is not so much as effective as tren-a,still a great aas,but not so potent like acetate.However 600 mg tren-e equals 500 acetate as actual steroid due to the longer atom needed for enanthat ester.You could run 400 mg tren since it;s your first cycle and you will not jump on average doses.
If you went with test-e already,then you can choose some deca with it.But be prepared to get bloated son,dbol+deca+test=big bloat for sure.
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chev,
wouldnt the AI help with the bloat if i were to add deca?
what about adding eq?
would winny dry me out if used at the end of the cycle overlapping into pct?
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Winny sucks,you do not need it unless you go on stage soon..Tabs fuck liver,injectables may give you abscess since it's micro-cristalized...What do you choose?Ai would sure help with the bloat,but will also limit your gains...life sucks i know :) Eq is good steroid IF you take at least 600 mg,you take it long enough,and if you find it legit,and that is a very hard mission.If i were you, i would not go with test and a progestin same time,in case of gyno appears you would not know why,because of test or deca.I would go with things you already bought,test and dbol,add some anavar if you want,finish things up,see how you recover since it's your first cycle,then go hard on tren+eq+whatever you want.My 0.02 :)
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thanks chev,
ok...so
no winny,
source's eq prob not legit
stick to what i got already have
next cycle use z trenbolona,,
can my diet control the bloat? not eliminate it just keep it at check along with the AI?
Routine is every other day with cardio afterwards starting at 30 mins increasing by 5 mins every 2 weeks
any recommendations?
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I think it looks horrible.
this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.
ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.
is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.
test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.
now all anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.
on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.
something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.
echoed my thoughts when i saw test only cycle. what a garbage cycle. i really hate the fact that test as a necessity has become common mantra because so many keep repeating the same nonsense without even knowing why. test is shit, i hate it, run anything besides test, hell i'd rather run a 12 week oral cycle over test.
liver toxicity of orals is highly overstated as well, aids patients in studies have ran 150mg of anadrol a day for 30 weeks without seriously damaging their liver. unless you are drinking heavily and using other recreational drugs while using orals then it's not a big deal to run orals.
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ID JUST KEEP 250MG TEST AND CYCLE IN AND OUT OTHER PRODUCTS. 600MG-900MG EQ, 400MG-800MG DECA, 500MG-800MG PRIMO, 300MG PLUS OF TREN OR MASTERON.
ID LIKE TO KEEP A BASE OF TEST. BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY ROUTE. 250MG WONT PRODUCE MASSIVE BLOAT.
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ID JUST KEEP 250MG TEST AND CYCLE IN AND OUT OTHER PRODUCTS. 600MG-900MG EQ, 400MG-800MG DECA, 500MG-800MG PRIMO, 300MG PLUS OF TREN OR MASTERON.
ID LIKE TO KEEP A BASE OF TEST. BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY ROUTE. 250MG WONT PRODUCE MASSIVE BLOAT.
ya that looks good and i agree a little test is good just for the estrogen, as a little estrogen is critical for growth hormone production, joint, skin and hair health. but little known fact is that nandrolone aromatizes to estrogen at a very low rate, so does eq and a few others, which would be more than enough to give normal estrogen levels without causing gyno or water weight.
so in that regard test isn't entirely necessary and whether someone uses it depends on what their goals are, but for me using test runs complete opposite of my goals. i personally, for myself, don't see the point of running 1 gram of test, getting bloofy, moon face, acne, and hairloss simply to get the same gains as 300mg of tren without any of the added benefits of tren. i'm over with test.
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i get that tren is the motto but wouldnt it be kinda difficult for someone who is new to pinning?
ed pins are not exactly something that a newbie is trying to get into
i guess i will finish my cycle i will keep the dbol for longer...and see how it plans out.
i guess ill be on the hunt for some legit EQ.
thanks again fellas...
any other suggestions?.
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i get that tren is the motto but wouldnt it be kinda difficult for someone who is new to pinning?
ed pins are not exactly something that a newbie is trying to get into
i guess i will finish my cycle i will keep the dbol for longer...and see how it plans out.
i guess ill be on the hunt for some legit EQ.
thanks again fellas...
any other suggestions?.
SLIN PIN THAT TREN....NO WORRIES
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any recommendations on dosing the aromasin?
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I'd go for 50 mg tren ED. Fuck test, it bloats the shit out of me. If you want lean, quality mass, go for trenbolona.
but..test is cheap and human grade is easy to get. Besides you need estrogen to keep growing Bill Roberts had a good article going into detail on this I'll look for it. I'm not saying tren is not superior to testosterone, but time is also important. You need to use steroids for a long period of time in very high doses to achieve massive size, that is where testosterone comes in handy (or anabolics) but not tren and orals
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this has made me even more confused...
i thought after doing all my research the consensus was that " test is king "
ive read the bible and i believe gh15 is completely right, but what about in the 70s n 80s.?
was tren the wonder drug then too?
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I love how the new thing on internet boards is to hate using testosterone. How about just using enough to not get disgustingly bloated and high blood pressure........also, ever hear of rotating compounds? Test is a great drug, especially when you combine it with things like, ummmmm......everything?
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@ 6'2 250 i dont think 600mg of test will puff me up like the michelin man......
i could b wrong.
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I love how the new thing on internet boards is to hate using testosterone. How about just using enough to not get disgustingly bloated and high blood pressure........also, ever hear of rotating compounds? Test is a great drug, especially when you combine it with things like, ummmmm......everything?
that's not a new thing at all. people in the 70s and 80s laughed at anyone who used test because deca does the same but is infinitely better. look at how all of them looked too, those are the days everyone claimed bodybuilders had the perfect aesthetics and it wasn't built on test.
i wish it was the new hot thing to say though, more people need to tear down the false notion that test needs to be the "base" of a cycle. stupidest mantra i keep seeing get repeated on boards
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+ Most had their hair on and no gyno.Keep that in mind test lovers ;)
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+ Most had their hair on and no gyno.Keep that in mind test lovers ;)
ya rly you cannot spot me one fucking guy in any 70s picture or one video even pumping iron all the gym rats bald or wth gyno.
ok 1 mike katz one out of 100s lol. Today you can't find a bber pic with more than 2 bbers in it and ones bald and in videos lol. Be it ifbb pros or gym rats half are bald and horrible gyno getting on stage so ugly looking. Earliest I ever seen gyno was in 81 on franco I think it was 81 shudda not touched that test haha.
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this has made me even more confused...
i thought after doing all my research the consensus was that " test is king "
ive read the bible and i believe gh15 is completely right, but what about in the 70s n 80s.?
was tren the wonder drug then too?
no be thankful you found this board. All the steroid boards are ful of crap. Ull end up like most of us. Shit results gyno n hairloss on test base cycles blocky n bloated without bbers physiques. Ull thamk us you didt waste ur time om that shit. And actually look like a bber feom the other cycles. I personally won't even use a little bit now. Not worth it. They never did it in 70s n gh15 says lots of pros don't even use it today. N was his personall biggest without test. Pure deca n eq.
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since i dont plan on coming off should i just jump in to the deca after the 12thweek
im saying deca bcuz i would have to begin sourcing the EQ
do i wait or just jump right into it?
wat dosage?
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since i dont plan on coming off should i just jump in to the deca after the 12thweek
im saying deca bcuz i would have to begin sourcing the EQ
do i wait or just jump right into it?
wat dosage?
that's a questio oly you cam decide. More tham likely even one cycle will mess ur hormones up a decent amount. I never recovered my test lvls never got over mid 300ng range after first cycle. Even with almost 2 yr clean.
so all up to you. I'd say most of us r in this for life. N don't regret it.
when I did come off gotta gf preganant real fast within weeks on clomid n letro. So it'll still be possible. Clomid real good at that lol. Even for women clomid increase fertility.
deca. Start at 600mg maybe. Till it stops n keep upping from there. 600 is good dose many gains to be had for a newbie to drugs. Personally ima stick with mainly deca dbol. I want a classic phyisque maybe some gh soon.
those r zero side effects for me thus far with pure lean gains n fatloss even. See how well I can tolerate those keep increasing dosage for a classic physique. Like gh says pick a drug focus o dosage. Test ismt needed. He said he likes dbol on its own even lol. N deca eq was his biggest.
eq I liked also. But not sure if it gave me hairloss or other drugs. I doubt it was eq but still. On paper eq coerts to more stronger androgenic than dht. Which wud be bad for hairloss. But catch is. Its converted at such a small rate 10x less tham test is to dht. That even tho stronger there's barely any floating in ur system. But I rly don't wanna chance that again myself.
this sport for me is pure vanity. Body. Hair. Looks. Like the 70s bbers lol.id never trade my body for branchs physique ugly pitbull bastard.