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why that black guy is screaming so loud, im not deaf!
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2 questions:
Why is this black guy shouting
Why is everyone crying
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From a plantation.... to this..? ??? ???
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Wow... Somehow him giving the ok to take out Osama bin Laden means he is good with foreign policy?
Deflection by Obama IMHO.
Sad this gets you all worked up Benny. All flash and no substance.
Not to mention, wasnt traditionally the point of having 2 guest speakers to provide 2 points of view, one democratic and one republican, to show both opinions? Guess "fair and unbiased" nowdays means having 2 people to support your opinion and no one to question it. ???
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Thank God for GWB eh Barry?
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if obama had NOT gotten OBL by now, the repub candidates would be ripping him for it.
correct?
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if obama had NOT gotten OBL by now, the repub candidates would be ripping him for it.
correct?
No.
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No.
Obama hasn't taken out Iran's nukes and they're all saying they could do it better.
Really, if OBL was still making videos and taunting USA calling for attacks -
You don't think the GOP candidates would be criticizing obama for not killing him, promising they could do it better?
Why would they shit on him for 1 aspect of not stopping bad guys (iran) but not another (OBL)?
I dont think you're being honest here - because I think you know i'm going to say "If you are going to shit on obama for not getting OBL, then you have to give him props when he does get him - you can't only assign blame and never credit).
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Obama hasn't taken out Iran's nukes and they're all saying they could do it better.
Really, if OBL was still making videos and taunting USA calling for attacks -
You don't think the GOP candidates would be criticizing obama for not killing him, promising they could do it better?
Why would they shit on him for 1 aspect of not stopping bad guys (iran) but not another (OBL)?
I dont think you're being honest here - because I think you know i'm going to say "If you are going to shit on obama for not getting OBL, then you have to give him props when he does get him - you can't only assign blame and never credit).
Obama didn't just take out Osama...he's taken out al-Awlaki and about 20 other high value AQ operatives. He's gotten the job done, whereas the last republican administration didn't do jack shit other than waste billions of taxpayers dollars to enrich Chaney, Halliburton, and Blackwater.
Obama doesn't need to take out Iran's nukes, because they are no more of a threat to America's security than Saddam was. Israel has nukes and a well armed military, thanks to the American taxpayers. Let them go to war with Iran if they are so scared of a nuclear armed Iran!
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my point is that obama is killing terrorists left and right.
if those 20 terrorists were having a picnic burning US flags today - do ya think newt and mitt would be hating all over obama for it?
My guess is YES ;)
And if they're gonng hate on him for the failures (which that would be) then they have to give him props for the successes (which it was).
They lose credibility by being able to admit when the other guy does something right. Cause even if obama does 95% of things wrong, his killing of bad guys is great.
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Obama didn't just take out Osama...he's taken out al-Awlaki and about 20 other high value AQ operatives. He's gotten the job done, whereas the last republican administration didn't do jack shit other than waste billions of taxpayers dollars to enrich Chaney, Halliburton, and Blackwater.
Obama doesn't need to take out Iran's nukes, because they are no more of a threat to America's security than Saddam was. Israel has nukes and a well armed military, thanks to the American taxpayers. Let them go to war with Iran if they are so scared of a nuclear armed Iran!
Obama didnt kill any of them, US intelligence found them with the cooperation of foreign countries, and US special forces killed them in many cases, only thing Obama did was give the OK for the op.
Obama just had the luck of being the president sitting in office when the US agencies located him, nothing more, nothing less.
Giving him credit for killing those high value targets is akin to giving him credit for his favorite college football team winning their bowl game. ::) His foreign policy didnt kill them, they were already being hunted and he just gave the nod.
Thats all.
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Obama didnt kill any of them, US intelligence found them with the cooperation of foreign countries, and US special forces killed them in many cases, only thing Obama did was give the OK for the op.
Obama just had the luck of being the president sitting in office when the US agencies located him, nothing more, nothing less.
Giving him credit for killing those high value targets is akin to giving him credit for his favorite college football team winning their bowl game. ::) His foreign policy didnt kill them, they were already being hunted and he just gave the nod.
Thats all.
You must be a blast to play board games with. Oh brother.
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my point is that obama is killing terrorists left and right.
if those 20 terrorists were having a picnic burning US flags today - do ya think newt and mitt would be hating all over obama for it?
My guess is YES ;)
And if they're gonng hate on him for the failures (which that would be) then they have to give him props for the successes (which it was).
They lose credibility by being able to admit when the other guy does something right. Cause even if obama does 95% of things wrong, his killing of bad guys is great.
Anti-Terror tactics is not foreign policy you moron!
Whathe is doing in Lybia, Egypt, Mexico, Russia, Paki, etc is foregin policy.
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Obama didnt kill any of them, US intelligence found them with the cooperation of foreign countries, and US special forces killed them in many cases, only thing Obama did was give the OK for the op.
Obama just had the luck of being the president sitting in office when the US agencies located him, nothing more, nothing less.
Giving him credit for killing those high value targets is akin to giving him credit for his favorite college football team winning their bowl game. ::) His foreign policy didnt kill them, they were already being hunted and he just gave the nod.
Thats all.
lol
Obama is the president and Commander-in-Chief, so Obama gets the credit. He specifically gave the go-ahead to kill Osama, without which the SEALS would not have had authorization.
Tough for you to swallow "Shockwave", I know. But swallow it you must. ;) And trust me, you will be swallowing it all next year up until election time. ;D
That's all.
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Anti-Terror tactics is not foreign policy you moron!
Whathe is doing in Lybia, Egypt, Mexico, Russia, Paki, etc is foregin policy.
It's Libya, Mercator. For fark's sake. ::)
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Anti-Terror tactics is not foreign policy you moron!
Whathe is doing in Lybia, Egypt, Mexico, Russia, Paki, etc is foregin policy.
1) your use of namecalling shows youre angry and frustrated with this argument. You feel youre losing, right?
2) so killing terrorists is NOT foreign policy? Did you read what you wrote? Really? That's a domestic thing, eh?
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lol
Obama is the president and Commander-in-Chief, so Obama gets the credit. He specifically gave the go-ahead to kill Osama, without which the SEALS would not have had authorization.
Tough for you to swallow "Shockwave", I know. But swallow it you must. ;) And trust me, you will be swallowing it all next year up until election time. ;D
That's all.
So you agree with me, with the only difference being, since he sat in that chair, that he gets the credit.
Youre agreeing with me that he didnt do anything except say "ok", which any president would have said yes too.
You should also agree then, that him giving a nod of "yes" to allow ops set up by other agencies conducting long standing manhunts to kill terrorists says absolutley NOTHING about his foreign policy, yes?
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lol
Obama is the president and Commander-in-Chief, so Obama gets the credit. He specifically gave the go-ahead to kill Osama, without which the SEALS would not have had authorization.
Tough for you to swallow "Shockwave", I know. But swallow it you must. ;) And trust me, you will be swallowing it all next year up until election time. ;D
That's all.
LMFAO!
LOL.
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Obama hasn't taken out Iran's nukes and they're all saying they could do it better.
Really, if OBL was still making videos and taunting USA calling for attacks -
You don't think the GOP candidates would be criticizing obama for not killing him, promising they could do it better?
Why would they shit on him for 1 aspect of not stopping bad guys (iran) but not another (OBL)?
I dont think you're being honest here - because I think you know i'm going to say "If you are going to shit on obama for not getting OBL, then you have to give him props when he does get him - you can't only assign blame and never credit).
No, I don't believe they would concentrate on criticizing him 3 years into his term for something that their guy hadn't done in two full terms. There's plenty of other legit criticism to levy.
Oh, and to be clear on the matter, I agree with Shockwave's post - the end result was a culmination of intelligence gathering that spanned two administrations, both of whom deserve credit for the end reslut.
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1) your use of namecalling shows youre angry and frustrated with this argument. You feel youre losing, right?
2) so killing terrorists is NOT foreign policy? Did you read what you wrote? Really? That's a domestic thing, eh?
Yes I did. amazing how obama didnt say a peep about his iran, egypt, lybia, syria, mexico, or real foregin policy policies.
Guess why that is 180?
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Obama also made the call to kill the Somali pirates after they kidnapped the U.S. captain on his ship.
The repubes always try to play the "we're the tough guys" card in presidential elections. This time, they will lose. ;)
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33,
Killing bin laden in the heart of pakistan had nothing to do with US foreign policy?
You stand by that statement - you believe that?
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1) your use of namecalling shows youre angry and frustrated with this argument. You feel youre losing, right?
2) so killing terrorists is NOT foreign policy? Did you read what you wrote? Really? That's a domestic thing, eh?
Its not foreign policy when its simply long standing manhunts which any president would say yes to.
He did not initiate those manhunts, he didnt paint those targets, he mearly took the chair over with that underway, so he would have to be a total retard to give a no-go order for those ops to be initiated.
Hell, he didnt have anything to do with half those terrorists being killed.
So no, I dont think any of that says a damn thing about where he stands on foreign policy, just that he can say yes to killing people that have already been put on a kill list.
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Obama also made the call to kill the Somali pirates after they kidnapped the U.S. captain on his ship.
The repubes always try to play the "we're the tough guys" card in presidential elections. This time, they will lose. ;)
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A bitter PEA BRAIN resorts to his usual bag of photo-shopped pics when he has nothing to say. What a surprise! ::)
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Obama also made the call to kill the Somali pirates after they kidnapped the U.S. captain on his ship.
The repubes always try to play the "we're the tough guys" card in presidential elections. This time, they will lose. ;)
As opposed to what?
Yeah he made the right call, but all that says is that he can give the OK to shoot someone who is holding American prisoners. What other call did he have? He really didnt have any other call.
And more importantly, how does that say anything about where he stands on foreign policy?
Foreign policy doesnt mean how you deal with someone who's hijacked a freighter and taken americans prisoner, it means how do you deal with the other countries of the world.
And IMHO, he fails. And he knows it. Otherwise he would have actually talked about his successes in foreign policy, and not just deflected to something that doesnt have anything to do with how he deals with the rest of the world (Osama Bin Laden being killed)
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You don't just take over a chair and Bush does not get credit for the kill. When someone takes over things change. The decision making skill sets brought to the "chair" changes how information is received and acted on. Ubama gets credit for the kills no matter what. If u like him or not he called "go" and demanded things that Bush did not. I am Republican BTW and thought Bush could have done.better. Bush was the best Homeland Security Director in our country's history.
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You don't just take over a chair and Bush does not get credit for the kill. When someone takes over things change. The decision making skill sets brought to the "chair" changes how information is received and acted on. Ubama gets credit for the kills no matter what. If u like him or not he called "go" and demanded things that Bush did not. I am Republican BTW and thought Bush could have done.better. Bush was the best Homeland Security Director in our country's history.
By your analogy - it is perfectly correct to blame obama for the miserable economy correct?
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No one said Bush gets the credit.
He needs to focus on the FACTS of his foreign policy, not just deflect onto things that other agencies have been handling for 2 administrations. Obama's foreign policy is supposed to be his stand on how we interact/deal with other countries, not that he gave the ok for Ops to kill men that have been being hunted by American Agencies for years before he came into office.
Yes things change, but he did not change shit as far as the FBI, CIA, and Military manhunts for those high value targets, he let them do their job, and then said "ok" when they asked permission to take out said high value targets. He didnt tell them what to do, he didnt set them on their path, he didnt do shit that led to the aquiring and termination of said targets. Neither he nor Bush should get credit, the agencies should.
And he sure as shit shouldnt try and pawn it off as his stand on foreign policy, when it has NOTHING to do with it.
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33, i just realized i'm having a debate with someone who doesn't think putting chopper and seals into foreign military base neighborhoods to kill their civilians has anything to do with foreign policy.
WTF am I doing? lmao...
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33, i just realized i'm having a debate with someone who doesn't think putting chopper and seals into foreign military base neighborhoods to kill their civilians has anything to do with foreign policy.
WTF am I doing? lmao...
Did you even read how it came about that they were able to locate OBL?
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Did you even read how it came about that they were able to locate OBL?
if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -
and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...
Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands. Make sense?
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if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -
and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...
Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands. Make sense?
We already have a huge foregin policy mess on our hands with the killing of 24 paki soldiers by NATO you moron!
Damn - you are so desperate to give daily BJ's to obama you completely ignore reality.
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if OBL would have been out grocery shopping at the time -
and we had invaded their airspace, killed their civilians, scared his wife and kids, and he wasn't home...
Then Obama would have had a huge "FOREIGN POLICY" problem on his hands. Make sense?
Yes, but thats not what Obama was saying.
He was trying to say that his killing of OBL somehow explained to us his stance on foreign policy, which it doesnt.
1 decision to sent choppers into a sovereign country after the most wanted man in the US, does not make up for an entire term of groveling to other countries. Not to mention his little talk with SA after he talks about how we need to decrease dependence on foreign oil, only to refuse to let us drill here, and then go to South America and tell them that were looking forward to being there biggest customer.
WTF?
Dude is soft on foreign policy, plain and simple. If it came out that he had the ability to go after OBL and DIDNT send in the SEALS, the public would have had his head on a stick.
Therefore, IMHO its not a good indicator of his foreign policy. His hands were pretty much tied.
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Here's a picture for you
This is you btw
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We already have a huge foregin policy mess on our hands with the killing of 24 paki soldiers by NATO you moron!
Damn - you are so desperate to give daily BJ's to obama you completely ignore reality.
nah, i've said obama belongs in prison. not sure how you call taht kneepadding ???
You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.
I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.
It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.
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nah, i've said obama belongs in prison. not sure how you call taht kneepadding ???
You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.
I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.
It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.
By your definition - is Fast n Furious foreign policy?
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nah, i've said obama belongs in prison. not sure how you call taht kneepadding ???
You said killing anyone in the world in any place has nothing to do with foreign policy.
I contend that it is a very huge part of our foreign policy.
It's impossible for us to debate anything when we have such different definitions.
240 - I know you play devils advocate a lot, but what do you think of this?
If it came out that he had the ability to go after OBL and DIDNT send in the SEALS, the public would have had his head on a stick.
Therefore, IMHO its not a good indicator of his foreign policy. His hands were pretty much tied
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Bush on watch the economy= A failure
Obama on watch the economy= A failure
Bush on watch the killing of OBL and his commanders= Not fucking great
Obama on watch the killing of OBL and his commanders= Pretty fucking great
So Neocons and liberals both fuck up the economy but Obama at least know how to kick ass
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Bush getting alot of the credit is a Coach thing. Doesn't make sense. And absolutely Obama gets a huge chunk of blame for the bad economic decisions from his inauguration on. He has not done well IMO. Sad to say.
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As opposed to what?
Yeah he made the right call, but all that says is that he can give the OK to shoot someone who is holding American prisoners. What other call did he have? He really didnt have any other call.
And more importantly, how does that say anything about where he stands on foreign policy?
Foreign policy doesnt mean how you deal with someone who's hijacked a freighter and taken americans prisoner, it means how do you deal with the other countries of the world.
And IMHO, he fails. And he knows it. Otherwise he would have actually talked about his successes in foreign policy, and not just deflected to something that doesnt have anything to do with how he deals with the rest of the world (Osama Bin Laden being killed)
If you get your ass out of the US you will find Obama has WAY more support than Bush
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If you get your ass out of the US you will find Obama has WAY more support than Bush
Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.
We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.
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Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.
We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.
Agree 100% with this post. Well said
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Of course, because he went on world tour groveling to them. What would you expect?
And I dont give a damn about Bush, he's the past, only fucking idiots would keep trying to make Obama's actions justifiable by comparing to Bush, theyre fucking failures.
We dont have to flip off the rest of the world ala Bush, and we dont have to go groveling at their feet ala Obama. A happy medium would be nice.
Bush is history. You said foreign policy was about relations to other countries and that's improved during Obamas presidency
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So another screwy thread from Benny gets moved here.
Did the #1 contender for the vacated Obama Girl slot bother to ask himself why Obama's approval rating DROPPED to the 30s, mere months after Bin Laden got shot?
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Benny - I will make you a deal - I will give Obama 100% credit for Osama. In return you give Obama 100% credit for the present economy?
Deal?
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Bush is history. You said foreign policy was about relations to other countries and that's improved during Obamas presidency
No it hasnt. Other countries are happier yes, because Obama grovels at there feet.
Trying to say that other countries attitudes towards us = success of foreign policy is stupid.
Look at it this way, if you sucked up to someone all the time, theyre going to like you. That doesnt mean you have a good relationship with them, it just means that they like the fact that you are subserviant to them.
Bush has nothing to do with anything, which is why it was retarded of you to bring him up. Youre trying to claim that Obama's foreign policy is good because Bush's was bad, thats false logic, both of their foreign policies suck ass. You cant claim Obamas is good just other countries like Obama more than they like bush, that is fucking retarded.
You wouldnt say your happy with your car getting 10 miles to the gallon because your old one got 9, would you? No, youd be pissed you traded one gas guzzler for another. So do yourself a favor and stop comaring Obama to Bush, hes gone, they both suck.
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No it hasnt. Other countries are happier yes, because Obama grovels at there feet.
Trying to say that other countries attitudes towards us = success of foreign policy is stupid.
Look at it this way, if you sucked up to someone all the time, theyre going to like you. That doesnt mean you have a good relationship with them, it just means that they like the fact that you are subserviant to them.
Bush has nothing to do with anything, which is why it was retarded of you to bring him up. Youre trying to claim that Obama's foreign policy is good because Bush's was bad, thats false logic, both of their foreign policies suck ass. You cant claim Obamas is good just other countries like Obama more than they like bush, that is fucking retarded.
You wouldnt say your happy with your car getting 10 miles to the gallon because your old one got 9, would you? No, youd be pissed you traded one gas guzzler for another. So do yourself a favor and stop comaring Obama to Bush, hes gone, they both suck.
So Obama having made the countries around us happier and killing the nr. one enemy(s) of our nation is NOT succefull foreign policy ???
What is your definition then?
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By your definition - is Fast n Furious foreign policy?
it most definitely involves our forieng policy, which has been for decades to allow/fund/facilitate a border war.
it's part of our foreign policy. fo sho.
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it most definitely involves our forieng policy, which has been for decades to allow/fund/facilitate a border war.
it's part of our foreign policy. fo sho.
More lies from you. You just can't help yourself can you? WR was nothing even close to F&F. Stop lying 180 - we all see right through it.
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More lies from you. You just can't help yourself can you? WR was nothing even close to F&F. Stop lying 180 - we all see right through it.
what the fuck man????????????????????????
I didn't COMPARe wr and ff.
you asked me if FF was part of the foreign policy - it definitely was.
who the hell asked me to compare the two? Dude, really?
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what the fuck man????????????????????????
I didn't COMPARe wr and ff.
you asked me if FF was part of the foreign policy - it definitely was.
who the hell asked me to compare the two? Dude, really?
You said this was going on for years, and that is simply not true. That is a fucking leftist lie that the libs, including yourself, are trying to use to get obama/holder off the hook on this.
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You said this was going on for years, and that is simply not true. That is a fucking leftist lie that the libs, including yourself, are trying to use to get obama/holder off the hook on this.
the funding of the border war has gone on for decades. Operation FF was probably the 10th or 20th such operation.
Bush and clinton were just better at hiding things like this ;)
thanks to teh web and the fact everyone is a journalist these days, we hear about it now.
If F&F had happened in 1991, we wouldn't have heard shit about it, hombre.
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the funding of the border war has gone on for decades. Operation FF was probably the 10th or 20th such operation.
Bush and clinton were just better at hiding things like this ;)
thanks to teh web and the fact everyone is a journalist these days, we hear about it now.
If F&F had happened in 1991, we wouldn't have heard shit about it, hombre.
::) ::)
Like i said - you simply can't help yourself from doing anything and everything from telling the truth about your hero
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obama and holder should be in a jail cell becayse of F&F.
but they won't.
facts are facts.
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So Obama having made the countries around us happier and killing the nr. one enemy(s) of our nation is NOT succefull foreign policy ???
What is your definition then?
Youre missing the point.
Other countries view the US and Obama as being weak - with no respect.
Of course theyre going to like us more if they think our leadership is weak.
OBL has nothing to do with foreign policy. Agencies came to Obama, said we found him, heres a plan, can we go?
He said yes. (He had no choice, if he said no, it would have come out and he would have been crucified)
I look at successful foreign policy having to do with who recieves foreign aid and for what - Building mutual respectful and beneficial relationships with other countries, not just running around the world and groveling at countries feet and promising them what they want because you dont want to be not liked.
Obama fails on all counts - way to much frivolous foreign aid, and way to much pandering to countries we shouldn/dont need to(Look at Obama's talks in South America, promising them we want to be their biggest customer of oil, while preaching to the american public about decreasing dependence on foreign oil. Not to mention denieing drilling permits to companies here at home - yeah great job decreasing our dependency on foreign oil obama.)
Id much rather be respected by other countries and maybe not be as universally liked, than have everyone like us because they think were weak and can be manipulated.
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Yes, but thats not what Obama was saying.
He was trying to say that his killing of OBL somehow explained to us his stance on foreign policy, which it doesnt.
1 decision to sent choppers into a sovereign country after the most wanted man in the US, does not make up for an entire term of groveling to other countries. Not to mention his little talk with SA after he talks about how we need to decrease dependence on foreign oil, only to refuse to let us drill here, and then go to South America and tell them that were looking forward to being there biggest customer.
WTF?
Dude is soft on foreign policy, plain and simple. If it came out that he had the ability to go after OBL and DIDNT send in the SEALS, the public would have had his head on a stick.
Therefore, IMHO its not a good indicator of his foreign policy. His hands were pretty much tied.
You = Brainwashed .............please try using logic and the brain god gave you. Im not even a lib i dont fucking care that much but saying he is weak on foreign policy is a lie
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Yeah...inept.....shitty. ...that about sums it up. When the friggen Muslim Brotherhood are shocked at how well extreme muslim parties did in Egypt..u know ol Barry did a wonderful job selling out our allies. I guess when we bomb Iran, that will be ok with all the Dem douchbags, because Barry did it.