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Title: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: ether on December 11, 2011, 09:33:02 AM
100,000 for the winner
50, 000 for second place
20, 000 most improved
5, 000 best poser...

i'm going to go out on a limb and say that none of these guys are actually going to get any thing close to what was promised to them

how the hell can she pay out this amount with so much less people then the arnold, way less coverage by the magazines and a line up that is worse than a third tier show (flex pro).
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: V Man on December 11, 2011, 09:34:39 AM
$20,000 for most improved?? Most Improved from what?
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: ether on December 11, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
$20,000 for most improved?? Most Improved from what?

No clue. From their previous outing?

According to Rxmuscle, Bill Wilmore took home 30,000 for 3rd place and 20,000 for most improved.

50,000 = what arnold and jim lorimer gave for the arnold europe.

There is about a zero% chance he sees any of that money
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 10:22:32 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.

Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: ether on December 11, 2011, 10:25:11 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.



Interesting...if that is the case then there is absolutely no chance this show will be held again next year.

Could you enlighten us as to how she intends to pay out that prize money?
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 10:26:56 AM
Interesting...if that is the case then there is absolutely no chance this show will be held again next year.

Could you enlighten us as to how she intends to pay out that prize money?

The prize money is sent out from the IFBB office, as it's in escrow....it was given in advance of the show date from the promoter to the IFBB
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: ether on December 11, 2011, 10:33:07 AM
If they all get paid, more power to them...and props to them for figuring out getting the money before they compete.

No clue how she got it done without losing a s*&tload of money in the process.


There is no way that show will be held again, and if it is, they prize money will probably go down below a 202 show.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Stavios on December 11, 2011, 10:44:53 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.



the promotor must have lost a SHIT LOAD of money tho

that even didn't seem like a huge turnout

not a lot of competitors

not talked about that much

and almost 200k in prize money

Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: littleguns on December 11, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
In a recent PBW interview Dex said if he won he would take the year off and train for the next Masters show....Unfortunately there probably won't be one.

As for Escrow, Chick is right on, Darrem got screwed a few yrs back out of $10 or $15K and the escrow rule was started...

I would be curious tho as to who put up all this money
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 10:49:33 AM
the promotor must have lost a SHIT LOAD of money tho

that even didn't seem like a huge turnout

not a lot of competitors

not talked about that much

and almost 200k in prize money



240,000 in purse

Not including  sanction fee, venue rental, flights, hotel, expediting crew, lighting and music, etc...

Well over 300K invested
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: delta9mda on December 11, 2011, 10:52:38 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.


Chick just owned you tiny tits and educated you.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 10:53:09 AM
In a recent PBW interview Dex said if he won he would take the year off and train for the next Masters show....Unfortunately there probably won't be one.

As for Escrow, Chick is right on, Darrem got screwed a few yrs back out of $10 or $15K and the escrow rule was started...

I would be curious tho as to who put up all this money

if I'm not mistaken...that was the very first proposal I submitted as athletes rep.  the way Wayne ran things, it was inevitable that athletes would be left holding the bag with no guarantees from the very  federation sanctioning the event.....
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 10:55:43 AM
In a recent PBW interview Dex said if he won he would take the year off and train for the next Masters show....Unfortunately there probably won't be one.

As for Escrow, Chick is right on, Darrem got screwed a few yrs back out of $10 or $15K and the escrow rule was started...

I would be curious tho as to who put up all this money

That would be strange to invest all you eggs into a show that has no guarantee of being put  on, and is at the end of the year....especially since Dex is still competitive on the circuit...unless there are personal reasons for taking the year off, this wouldn't be a good strategy.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: mass243 on December 11, 2011, 10:57:48 AM

I don't want to sound negative here, but...

Of course the show won't be held next year. Arnold Europe also probably saw it's first and last time.

Most likely one year wonders!
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 11, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
I don't want to sound negative here, but...

Of course the show won't be held next year. Arnold Europe also probably saw it's first and last time.

Most likely one year wonders!

What data would you make this statement on...especially on the ASC Europe?  the
Lorimer/ Arnold company has enough money to put this show on foe the next 50 years.....
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Dr Dutch on December 11, 2011, 11:06:10 AM
I don't want to sound negative here, but...

Of course the show won't be held next year. Arnold Europe also probably saw it's first and last time.

Most likely one year wonders blunders!
fixed
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: War-Horse on December 11, 2011, 11:08:34 AM
I think its a great idea. Alot of us older guys still like to see what can be done. As long as your not trippin on your nipples...throw it onstage...lol.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: mass243 on December 11, 2011, 11:10:01 AM
What data would you make this statement on...especially on the ASC Europe?  the
Lorimer/ Arnold company has enough money to put this show on foe the next 50 years.....

I'm not questioning their finances. I'm sure they have 'nuff money to run that show eternally.

But I don't think they are dumb enough to keep doing something that causes losses. It's not like those guys are rap 'bros' who throw money away just because they can, you know...

ASC Europe was quite lame show... at least the line up sucked. And I have a feeling it didn't get much excitement or coverage either...

That India show in Mumbai, Dubai actually has sum' potential. They attracted two top guys, the biggest money makers in this business, two guys with probably the largest fan base on earth (in bb). That's what ASC Euro should have done to be successful.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: G_Thang on December 11, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
WHAT DUMB ASS SPONSOR PUT UP THE MONEY FOR THAT SHOW?
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Ron on December 11, 2011, 07:54:34 PM

To run this type of contest, with the prize money, sanction fees, special apperances fees, hotels, flights and more - well over $400,000.   So in essense, someone put up a ton of money who loves the sport of bodybuilding, who wanted to see the legends in one place at least once in their life.  Yes, it is a ton of money to lose.

Unless there are some very rich people out there.
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Stavios on December 11, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
To run this type of contest, with the prize money, sanction fees, special apperances fees, hotels, flights and more - well over $400,000.   So in essense, someone put up a ton of money who loves the sport of bodybuilding, who wanted to see the legends in one place at least once in their life.  Yes, it is a ton of money to lose.

Unless there are some very rich people out there.


that's the thing, there wasn't really any "legend" exept an out of shape banout  :-\
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: MB on December 11, 2011, 08:10:01 PM
Jarka seems like the eternal optimist, but she obviously wasn't thinking straight and should have been talked out of this by Manion.  I hope she didn't sell her home and start living in a van down by the river to pay for this. 
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Schmoe Buster on December 11, 2011, 08:10:37 PM
I hope Jarka will run the Masters show again
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: RagingBull on December 11, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
if I'm not mistaken...that was the very first proposal I submitted as athletes rep.  the way Wayne ran things, it was inevitable that athletes would be left holding the bag with no guarantees from the very  federation sanctioning the event.....

You are intelligent and articulate...light years ahead of the IFBB powers that be. Maybe you'll run the federation some day.
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 12, 2011, 01:48:03 AM
He also is rumored to have a large, fully functional cock.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: axestream on December 12, 2011, 01:53:53 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.



That really should have been the end of this thread.
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: GraniteCityDon on December 12, 2011, 04:15:21 AM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.



I recall some years ago that a well liked ex pro BBer was promoting a show & unfortunately it transpired that he didnt have the funds to pay the athletes - cant put my finger on it but it could have been Atwoods debut win in Toronto. Dont quote me on that however, it was something i read in Flex.
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 12, 2011, 04:22:29 AM
nimrod King
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: GraniteCityDon on December 12, 2011, 10:29:26 AM
Spot on Chick  :)
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2011, 12:20:53 PM
That would be strange to invest all you eggs into a show that has no guarantee of being put  on, and is at the end of the year....especially since Dex is still competitive on the circuit...unless there are personal reasons for taking the year off, this wouldn't be a good strategy.

DId you propose it before or after Darrem got screwed out of his paycheck?
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Chick on December 12, 2011, 01:22:20 PM
DId you propose it before or after Darrem got screwed out of his paycheck?

Unfortunately....I wasn't the athletes rep when that occurred. So the answer would be after.  What I did do, was insure that it never happens again.  What was also unfortunate, was that Wayne did absolutely nothing about it other than throw up his hands and pass the blame onto the promoter...
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: Neptuno on December 12, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I don't want to sound negative here, but...

Of course the show won't be held next year. Arnold Europe also probably saw it's first and last time.

Most likely one year wonders!

Are you joking? or simply you haven´t any idea about ACE in Madrid?

It was an amazing success!!

More than 300 amateurs competitors  paying 125 euros (no dollars, so more than 170 dollars) fees.
More than 10.000 people visit the Expo paying 20 euros (no dollars)  at least.
More than 50 brands paying in euros too...
And sold out 1900 people in the ACE IFBB PRO paying at least 60 euros

So if you think 2012 edition is not going to be on, you have a mind problem, maybe...

The fact are, dates are ready and place too, Madrid Arena with capacity for 7500 people  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on December 12, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
To run this type of contest, with the prize money, sanction fees, special apperances fees, hotels, flights and more - well over $400,000.   So in essense, someone put up a ton of money who loves the sport of bodybuilding, who wanted to see the legends in one place at least once in their life.  Yes, it is a ton of money to lose.

Unless there are some very rich people out there.


There are videos now being sold in Dubai India to rich arabs paying $50,000 to watch the DVD with full back stage access to the urinals, showers and chaning rooms.
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on December 12, 2011, 08:12:52 PM
To run this type of contest, with the prize money, sanction fees, special apperances fees, hotels, flights and more - well over $400,000.   So in essense, someone put up a ton of money who loves the sport of bodybuilding, who wanted to see the legends in one place at least once in their life.  Yes, it is a ton of money to lose.

Unless there are some very rich people out there.


Ron, how did it go?

What were the crowds like, what are the numbers anticipated to be? Will we see this next year?

THE BEEF
Title: Re: What are the chances the "masters" competitors will actually get paid?
Post by: gib on December 12, 2011, 08:20:30 PM
pretty good guess...except for the fact  the prize money was put into escrow and  is guaranteed from the IFBB...

This was changed about 5  years ago, as before he change, these provisions were not in place and we had a few instances where the athletes got screwed.



Ha ha - nice answer Chick!
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: andreisdaman on December 12, 2011, 09:38:58 PM
Unfortunately....I wasn't the athletes rep when that occurred. So the answer would be after.  What I did do, was insure that it never happens again.  What was also unfortunate, was that Wayne did absolutely nothing about it other than throw up his hands and pass the blame onto the promoter...

Hey chick..what happened to you?..you said you were going to compete in the Masters Pro???
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: basil on December 12, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
nimrod King

You said rod.

Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Dr Dutch on December 12, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
You said rod.


;D  brings back memories...
Title: Re: IFBB Pro World Masters - Will the winners ever get paid?
Post by: Matt C on December 13, 2011, 02:47:09 AM
There are videos now being sold in Dubai India to rich arabs paying $50,000 to watch the DVD with full back stage access to the urinals, showers and chaning rooms.

You might not be kidding there, mon_of_steele.  With Colonel Gaddafi's fortune revealed posthumously to be at least $168 billion, it really made me wonder how many other people in the world have similar fortunes or possibly fortunes running into the trillions, purposely kept off the Forbes 400 list.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051912/Gaddafis-death-Governments-hand-dead-Libyan-tyrants-frozen-assets.html