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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Nasty Nate on December 15, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
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When I was prepping for my show i was running 1cc test prop, 1cc tren ace ED. Now i'm offseason and gonna run tren at 500mg/week and anadrol at 100mg per day, how much test e would you run with this? I'm thinking 750mg/week... 1000mg just seems to cause more water retention but not more muscle. What do you think?
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Any ghona?
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Been off it since i was 2 weeks out, so about 6 weeks now. Getting back on it at 5iu starting monday, then going up to 10iu in a few months once i stock up.
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I'm interested in this answer too. Isn't it 5IU per every gram of test? So 750 would be fine? And add in some mast at like 50mg eod if estro sides pop up.
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500-750mg. personnally id ditch the abombs and add either deca or eq at around 600mg
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Do 1g/ week w 5-10 iu. Don't go well over 1 g until you are at 15 iu +.
Personally I'd do 5iu on non training days and 10 iu on training days, and I'd use a base of 750 test e with 100mg shots TNE pre workout on training days. Plus tren and dbol & ul blow up real nice.
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Do 1g/ week w 5-10 iu. Don't go well over 1 g until you are at 15 iu +.
Personally I'd do 5iu on non training days and 10 iu on training days, and I'd use a base of 750 test e with 100mg shots TNE pre workout on training days. Plus tren and dbol & ul blow up real nice.
So only run the anadrol on training days, then none on off days? And would you suggest the dbol pre-workout too or just take that ed? I only train 4 days a week so the blasts of anadrol/dbol on those days could have some strong effects. It's not like you can really keep stable blood levels with orals anyway.
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Do 1g/ week w 5-10 iu. Don't go well over 1 g until you are at 15 iu +.
Personally I'd do 5iu on non training days and 10 iu on training days, and I'd use a base of 750 test e with 100mg shots TNE pre workout on training days. Plus tren and dbol & ul blow up real nice.
GOD SAYS 5IU PER GRAM OF TEST THOUGH.
AS FOR HOW MUCH TEST. ID GO LOW TEST, KEEP ADROL AND TREN THE SAME, BUT MOVE UP THE MAST AND/OR EQ.
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Sorry Rearden, I meant to quote you but i removed your post by mistake.
Anyway, last offseason I ran 750mg Test E and 100mg Anadrol 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. That was it. Didn't have much drug knowledge/money for more at the time. The first time i used tren, eq, mast, halo, gh was during my prep through the fall/summer this year.
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GOD SAYS 5IU PER GRAM OF TEST THOUGH.
AS FOR HOW MUCH TEST. ID GO LOW TEST, KEEP ADROL AND TREN THE SAME, BUT MOVE UP THE MAST AND/OR EQ.
Masteron is expensive though, and i'd rather just use it when i'm prepping for a show or wanna get a dryer look. I'd rather spend more on tren or gh if i'm offseason. I don't have problems with estro sides ever... never acne or gyno. Are you mainly reccomending the mast for it's AI properties?
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I'm not gonna write you a whole year plan (ppl pay me for that lol) but I will say that you should be running blasts of high test and then when pushing the bloofy edge draw back with short esters and harden up. But this will be inhibited if you can only run low dose gh.
If you can burst gh at 15iu for short periods, coincide that with big test doses. Otherwise keep the EQ or NPP higher and test lower. Run tren 12 weeks on, 6 weeks off, longer of needed.
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Keep anadrol, 100mg/day is perfect
Theres NO point to take higher test than trenbolone...tren is 5 times more powerfull, test will do NOTHING except beeing toxic on ur body and give u more sides/water..the gains u will have are from tren only and anadrol..test is not gonna give u strenght/size in this cycle
When you are on tren, test should be taken only to keep libido..test prop the best to avoid water
I would up my tren and take low prop, 50-60mg/day
Im currently on 170mg tren ace/day, 60mg test prop/day and insulin..i feel really good..u have more sides on 750 test + 600 tren than 1g tren + 400 test
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The comments about you need X amount of test if you're taking X amount of GH, what's the basis of this claim you guys are making? No, saying so and so said so is not a basis, I'm asking what you have to support this claim.
Anadrol and Dbol, if you're going to use them take them every day. Why on earth anyone would only take them on training days, especially if they're only training 4 days a wk makes no sense. Anadrol has a half-life of around 8-9hrs and Dbol 4-5, that means you have a massive amount of time with little to no hormone in your body...that's not helping anything.
patriceb, test is toxic? Come on now....test is the most non-toxic steroid of all. It's the most versatile and well-tolerated hormone of all. Now not liking test or high doses of test is one thing, but toxic, that's just ridiculous.
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Keep anadrol, 100mg/day is perfect
Theres NO point to take higher test than trenbolone...tren is 5 times more powerfull, test will do NOTHING except beeing toxic on ur body and give u more sides/water..the gains u will have are from tren only and anadrol..test is not gonna give u strenght/size in this cycle
When you are on tren, test should be taken only to keep libido..test prop the best to avoid water
I would up my tren and take low prop, 50-60mg/day
Im currently on 170mg tren ace/day, 60mg test prop/day and insulin..i feel really good..u have more sides on 750 test + 600 tren than 1g tren + 400 test
test not only good for libido bro, its always good to have a little more water and estrogen during the offseason, favorise mass gaining and increase strength, 500-750mg with an ai once in awhile is best dose imo to get those benefits without looking like a water balloon. if you always eat like shit tho, forget about test, you will look like shit, with tren only it doesnt matter
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The comments about you need X amount of test if you're taking X amount of GH, what's the basis of this claim you guys are making? No, saying so and so said so is not a basis, I'm asking what you have to support this claim.
Anadrol and Dbol, if you're going to use them take them every day. Why on earth anyone would only take them on training days, especially if they're only training 4 days a wk makes no sense. Anadrol has a half-life of around 8-9hrs and Dbol 4-5, that means you have a massive amount of time with little to no hormone in your body...that's not helping anything.
patriceb, test is toxic? Come on now....test is the most non-toxic steroid of all. It's the most versatile and well-tolerated hormone of all. Now not liking test or high doses of test is one thing, but toxic, that's just ridiculous.
GH ''camel riding drug dealer'' 15 ::)
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The comments about you need X amount of test if you're taking X amount of GH, what's the basis of this claim you guys are making? No, saying so and so said so is not a basis, I'm asking what you have to support this claim.
Anadrol and Dbol, if you're going to use them take them every day. Why on earth anyone would only take them on training days, especially if they're only training 4 days a wk makes no sense. Anadrol has a half-life of around 8-9hrs and Dbol 4-5, that means you have a massive amount of time with little to no hormone in your body...that's not helping anything.
patriceb, test is toxic? Come on now....test is the most non-toxic steroid of all. It's the most versatile and well-tolerated hormone of all. Now not liking test or high doses of test is one thing, but toxic, that's just ridiculous.
Dude did I say test is the most toxic..dont mention things I didnt say..doing a cycle with high test and moderate tren WILL give more sides (sides=toxic) than a cycle with high tren and low test
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test not only good for libido bro, its always good to have a little more water and estrogen during the offseason, favorise mass gaining and increase strength, 500-750mg with an ai once in awhile is best dose imo to get those benefits without looking like a water balloon. if you always eat like shit tho, forget about test, you will look like shit, with tren only it doesnt matter
Low dose test will give you enough water retention and estrogen no matter what..and dont forget he want to take anadrol on top
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my advice is always to fuck off with asking for advice and to experiment on your own untill you find what works best.
but if i had to give advice, id say jack the tren sky high, like 2 cc's per day, and just throw in like 300mg of test on top of it. try that out and and see how you like it. change things up as you see fit.
but then again, fuck asking for advice. experiment bro !!!
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I've never done a show, but I haven anadrol for 100-150mg at varying doses for months on end. It leaned me out and grew me a little bit, I liked it. Kevin Levrone was said to diet on 200mg a day for shows and use 50mg in the offseason "apparently"..it's a good drug I would definitely keep it in there!
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my advice is always to fuck off with asking for advice and to experiment on your own untill you find what works best.
but if i had to give advice, id say jack the tren sky high, like 2 cc's per day, and just throw in like 300mg of test on top of it. try that out and and see how you like it. change things up as you see fit.
but then again, fuck asking for advice. experiment bro !!!
first time I heard anyone reccomending sky high doses of tren in the offseason ???
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my advice is always to fuck off with asking for advice and to experiment on your own untill you find what works best.
but if i had to give advice, id say jack the tren sky high, like 2 cc's per day, and just throw in like 300mg of test on top of it. try that out and and see how you like it. change things up as you see fit.
but then again, fuck asking for advice. experiment bro !!!
yeah i fucking love tren. definitely the most powerful steroid imo... my experience with tren was the more i took the better/bigger i got. i always like to have test there but doesn't seem to be as useful past a certain dosage.
i really like anadrol too flinstones. never found it bloated me like dbol and i just was nice n full but kept a tight look
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I'd love to do 200 mg ED but I know I wouldn't be able to handle the mental side effects. :(
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yeah i fucking love tren. definitely the most powerful steroid imo... my experience with tren was the more i took the better/bigger i got. i always like to have test there but doesn't seem to be as useful past a certain dosage.
i really like anadrol too flinstones. never found it bloated me like dbol and i just was nice n full but kept a tight look
same..nice and full look, and some thickness. It doesn't blow me up as far as muscle gains compared to dbol though. u?
I think mixing them together may be worth it
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same..nice and full look, and some thickness. It doesn't blow me up as far as muscle gains compared to dbol though. u?
I think mixing them together may be worth it
yeah i'd agree with that. i might try mixing them together soon, never done that before. orals are candy for a bodybuilder :D
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first time I heard anyone reccomending sky high doses of tren in the offseason ???
strange. tren is the most powerful steroid for 99% of guys. both for bulking and cutting
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Just shoot a bottle of tren and test ed. Case closed.
Hows the ol' cold rock btw?
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Just shoot a bottle of tren and test ed. Case closed.
Hows the ol' cold rock btw?
Need more G4P sessions to afford that :'(
Weather's been real good here actually bro. Touchscreen on my phone stopped working, couldn't read your msg but I saw I got one from ya the other day.
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Need more G4P sessions to afford that :'(
Weather's been real good here actually bro. Touchscreen on my phone stopped working, couldn't read your msg but I saw I got one from ya the other day.
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lol, the day you do G4P, is the day I slit the throat of friendship
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i'd make sure to get an accurate blood pressure cuff if you're going to be running tren and a-50, high blood pressure is actually the most dangerous steroid related sid eeffect you should concern yourself with. aside from that, dosages and what you want to run is highly subjective, whatever works best for you is what you should do but in my opinion test is a shitty hormone and i'd use as little as possible.
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Dude did I say test is the most toxic..dont mention things I didnt say..doing a cycle with high test and moderate tren WILL give more sides (sides=toxic) than a cycle with high tren and low test
I never implied that you said it was the most toxic, all I did was comment on you saying it was toxic to begin with.
...and no, side-effects does not mean toxic. Toxic, regarding AAS refers to things like liver toxicity, such as through the use of C17-aa steroids. Toxic could also revolve around kidney issues, but this normally has no bearing on AAS discussion, as most performance based kidney issues have to do with diuretics.
What are the most common possible side-effects of testosterone? Keep in mind "Possible" is the key word.
*Gynecomastia
*High Blood Pressure
*High LDL Cholesterol
*Low HDL Cholesterol
*Excess Water Retention
*Natural Testosterone Suppression (only one that's guaranteed but guaranteed with all AAS)
Of those possible side-effects, which one is toxic? Not one of them, and more importantly, each one is 100% avoidable assuming the man does not have blood pressure or cholesterol issues to begin with, and assuming he understands how his body responds to various doses and stacks.
Low dose test will give you enough water retention and estrogen no matter what..and dont forget he want to take anadrol on top
Both water and estrogen are very easy to control. If they weren't, no bodybuilder on earth would supplement with testosterone when dieting, and we know most do. The same can be said of Anadrol, while even though it does not aromatize its estrogenic side-effects can in most cases be controlled. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be a bodybuilder alive who used it pre-contest, and a lot of bodybuilders use it at the end of their contest prep right up to the day of the show.
strange. tren is the most powerful steroid for 99% of guys. both for bulking and cutting
Agree. Tren is the single greatest anabolic steroid of all time. Although, if I ran test to tren ratios like you do I'd have no functioning libido and I'd also get sick if I kept allowed my test levels to remain too low for too long.
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I never implied that you said it was the most toxic, all I did was comment on you saying it was toxic to begin with.
...and no, side-effects does not mean toxic. Toxic, regarding AAS refers to things like liver toxicity, such as through the use of C17-aa steroids. Toxic could also revolve around kidney issues, but this normally has no bearing on AAS discussion, as most performance based kidney issues have to do with diuretics.
What are the most common possible side-effects of testosterone? Keep in mind "Possible" is the key word.
*Gynecomastia
*High Blood Pressure
*High LDL Cholesterol
*Low HDL Cholesterol
*Excess Water Retention
*Natural Testosterone Suppression (only one that's guaranteed but guaranteed with all AAS)
Of those possible side-effects, which one is toxic? Not one of them, and more importantly, each one is 100% avoidable assuming the man does not have blood pressure or cholesterol issues to begin with, and assuming he understands how his body responds to various doses and stacks.
Both water and estrogen are very easy to control. If they weren't, no bodybuilder on earth would supplement with testosterone when dieting, and we know most do. The same can be said of Anadrol, while even though it does not aromatize its estrogenic side-effects can in most cases be controlled. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be a bodybuilder alive who used it pre-contest, and a lot of bodybuilders use it at the end of their contest prep right up to the day of the show.
Agree. Tren is the single greatest anabolic steroid of all time. Although, if I ran test to tren ratios like you do I'd have no functioning libido and I'd also get sick if I kept allowed my test levels to remain too low for too long.
Dont try to look intelligent by trying to educate me on the sides test can give you...sorry if you dont always understand me but my primary language is french, not english
Of course they use test all the way to the show, because when you use T3, gh, clen, dnp, etc. you wont have any water retention lol...