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LOL @ that being the 3rd robbery victim of the night.
Down here in FL, people that don't have shoes or jobs or dinner still carry a .38
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Good news.
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More guns, less crime.
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LOL @ that being the 3rd robbery victim of the night.
Down here in FL, people that don't have shoes or jobs or dinner still carry a .38
That sounds like an awesome state to be in. Gun culture isn't that prevalent up here in Michigan, but you can still find a lot of gun-owners around here. Lots of people love to go up north during the hunting season.
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Gun ownage should be a right and not a privilege.
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Why your children should know how to use firearms:
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Makes my day. Thanks for posting this. Prick is dead. Otherwise he would have walked away or get caught then get slapped on the wrist.
No surprise no charges were brought on the shooter, the cops were probably shaking his hand.
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it's still kind of shitty to shoot someone 8 times over what would probably be $50 worth of pocket change.
even if you only think in economical terms, with people being merely commodified objects, their worth denominated as their potential exchange value from their laboring, a human life is still worth a lot more than $50.
at the same time it's also a really shitty thing to rob another working class person who is living day to day on their weekly salary, that guy should have driven down to wallstreet and robbed bankers and politicians but instead he chose the cowardly path of robbing fellow working class people so in a way it's kind of justified that he met such a fate.
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anyways, ak-74su is the best and most aesthetically pleasing rifle. would love to own one but it's illegal in my state.
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This was a good one if you've got time to watch it all.
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Makes my day. Thanks for posting this. Prick is dead. Otherwise he would have walked away or get caught then get slapped on the wrist.
No surprise no charges were brought on the shooter, the cops were probably shaking his hand.
I don't think that every crime should be punishable by death or severe incapacitation. However, I do believe that people have the right to defend their life, liberty, and property from others. And the sad truth is that the cops never come in time. So when I read or hear about someone defending themselves successfully it makes me happy.
Here's a shoutout to my hometown and a father who was protecting his family from a criminal...
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This was a good one if you've got time to watch it all.
Wow, that man is a true hero. Interesting watch, thanks for posting..
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it's still kind of shitty to shoot someone 8 times over what would probably be $50 worth of pocket change. even if you only think in economical terms, with people being merely commodified objects, heir worth denominated as their potential exchange value from their laboring, a human life is still worth a lot more than $50. it's also a really shitty thing to rob another working class person who is living day to day on their weekly salary, that guy should have driven down to wallstreet and robbed bankers and politicians but instead he chose the cowardly path of robbing fellow working class people so in a way it's kind of justified that he met that fate.
Take your class warfare to North Korea. Here in the United States we recognize that theft is WRONG in all cases and we recognize the individual's right to defend his life, liberty, and property.
anyways, ak-74su is the best and most aesthetically pleasing rifle. would love to own one but it's illegal in my state.
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(http://www.rcbestseller.com/catalog/images/VFC/pics/AKPDW01.jpg)
The most aesthetically pleasing? That's in the eye of the beholder.
The best? Definitely not.
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lmmfao
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Firearms empower the weak; they are the great equalizer. In this video, a 70 year old man saves the life of a woman being stabbed by her ex-husband. No 70-year old would be able to take-on a middle aged man were it not for guns.
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Take your class warfare to North Korea. Here in the United States we recognize that theft is WRONG in all cases and we recognize the individual's right to defend his life, liberty, and property.
The most aesthetically pleasing? That's in the eye of the beholder.
The best? Definitely not.
right and wrong is a question of morality which is subjective. what is theft anyways? would you call it theft when bankers get 10 trillion dollars in tax payer funds, while at the same time lowering the value of the dollar, and as a result subsequently lowering the wages of the people who work every day for a living to pay those taxes?
because i would say that's theft, and in that case robbing a banker would merely be taking back what was rightfully owned in the first place but stolen from the taxpayers by a corrupt american bureaucratic system.
also don't be naive and pretend class warfare only exists in books or fantasy, it has existed for the past 6 thousand years - what do you think slavery is? what do you think indentured servitude is? what direction do you see the economy and the world moving in, regressing back to that point of progressing with an increase in overall wealth? class warfare is politics.
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aesthetics, you are an idiot because:
1. You're trying to turn a gun appreciation thread into a discussion about your retarded commie politics.
2. You think morality is subjective.
3. You think that only because some banks received bail out funds that all rich people ought to be hated.
So go fuck yourself.
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WYHI?
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aesthetics, you are an idiot because:
1. You're trying to turn a gun appreciation thread into a discussion about your retarded commie politics.
2. You think morality is subjective.
3. You think that only because some banks received bail out funds that all rich people ought to be hated.
So go fuck yourself.
1.) not a commie, i don't know if you've ever had an experience with real commies, i'm talking legit real commies quoting marx and preaching from an ivory tower of morality, but they are unbearable and i loathe them. i am not a commie, nor would i associate with them. i would be on the opposite end of liberalism and communism is an extenuation of liberalism, but i don't mean liberalism in the way it's used in american vernacular, but more in a 1800's sort of definition.
2.) definitely it is subjective, definitely definitely. the only thing you can even remotely argue would serve as a universal moral compass is religion however, how many different forms of religion are there and how they vary in morality and interpretation? there is no objective, universal morality.
3.) i didn't say all rich people ought to be hated, hate is irrelevant and doesn't come into play with what i said. my parents are rich, i grew up affluent surrounded by rich people, going to prep schools and yacht clubs and a bunch of pointless pretentious shit like that, i don't really have any ill-will towards rich people in general.
4.) everything is politics as politics is the extenuation of ideology, and economics combined. this thread has a political message to it, does it not? i was merely commenting on it, but yes i agree politics are boring to discuss and argue and i have no intention of trying to convince anyone of anything because i could care less. and also, most importantly and unequivocally: the ak-74su is the coolest gun 8)
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mmmalright, I like you more after that. You're still wrong about ethics but I'll give you a pass on that.
Anyway, here's another heartwarming story:
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anyways, ak-74su is the best and most aesthetically pleasing rifle. would love to own one but it's illegal in my state.
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This was a good one if you've got time to watch it all.
Great Video!
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That yours?
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I love it when criminals get their balls shot off by their "victims".
Glad these dirtbags are dead.
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This was a good one if you've got time to watch it all.
WOW, not just a movie tag line, "with great power comes great responsibility."
That guy looks top notch in this clip, armed himself but more importantly educated and trained himself.
If you take the Lance Thomas story from above, who lets say did everything right, he still got shot and almost died, now watch the video below and see what could happen with no education/training.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/infographic-are-guns-and-ammo-new-gold
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That is an AWESOME shootout scene.
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Gun ownage should be a right and not a privilege.
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it is a right, second amendment.
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Sadly, Americans will soon turn in their weapons to the authorities so the government can commence martial law ;D
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Sadly, Americans will soon turn in their weapons to the authorities so the government can commence martial law ;D
Never happen , Americans will turn their guns against the authorities
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Never happen , Americans will turn their guns against the authorities
I dont think the ones who would, would stand a chance. And now with the National Defense Authorization Act allowing the military to jail anyone in the world it considers a terrorist suspect, that country is evidently headed in a pretty scary direction. American citizens need to speak upand put their foot down, start buying more weapons and should be prepared to defend what little rights they have left. Its all they got.
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it's still kind of shitty to shoot someone 8 times over what would probably be $50 worth of pocket change.
even if you only think in economical terms, with people being merely commodified objects, their worth denominated as their potential exchange value from their laboring, a human life is still worth a lot more than $50.
at the same time it's also a really shitty thing to rob another working class person who is living day to day on their weekly salary, that guy should have driven down to wallstreet and robbed bankers and politicians but instead he chose the cowardly path of robbing fellow working class people so in a way it's kind of justified that he met such a fate.
Shitty or not, it is just right in the situation. If some idiot get the bright idea to rob you, and you have a gun, it is his fault if he dies. So simple. If he get the job and earn his money, he live , if he want to make his living by robbing people, he could die by it. Life is full of choices to make, so pick right.
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More guns, less crime.
uhm, this does not support your case. It only supports the idea of more crimes ending in violence/fatalities.
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you can either destroy or protect life with weapons. Depends if you re an atheist or a believer.
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uhm, this does not support your case. It only supports the idea of more crimes ending in violence/fatalities.
yes, violence and fatalities for the criminals instead of the victims, which is the goal..
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uhm, this does not support your case. It only supports the idea of more crimes ending in violence/fatalities.
Okay dipshit, let's use our common sense. When you increase the cost of committing crime, what happens?
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Woman defends herself from rapist:
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Guns save lives:
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guns are just a tool. like a hammer, they can be used to create or destroy.
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Happy Winter Solstice, my gunslinging friends!
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Happy Winter Solstice, my gunslinging friends!
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off topic but aren't u on styleforum as well?
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off topic but aren't u on styleforum as well?
Nope, never even heard of it. "Howard Roark" is the name of the main character in a really popular book of a really popular author/philosopher, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are other "Roark's" posting around the web.
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Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks (All time monthly high)
CNN ^
Posted on December 27, 2011 7:11:00 PM EST by Red in Blue PA
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- December holiday shoppers were not just interested in buying the hottest electronics and toys -- they also were purchasing record numbers of guns, according to the latest FBI figures on background checks required to buy firearms.
With a few days left in December, the FBI reports the number of background checks has already topped the previous one-month record -- set only in November -- of 1,534,414 inquiries by gun dealers to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System also known as NICS. Almost half a million checks were done in just the last six days before Christmas.
Two days before Christmas, NICS ran 102,222 background checks, which was the second-busiest day in history. The one-day record was set this year on Black Friday, the big shopping day following Thanksgiving, with 129,166 searches. By comparison, the previous one-day high was set November 28, 2008, when gun dealers made slightly less than 98,000 requests for background searches.
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This is the only Gun I appreciate!
GUN the real fathers of Heavy Metal : Race with the Devil (1968) ;)
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Pistol Packin' Mama Kills Man Trying to Rob Her Son: Police(PA)
nbcphiladelphia.com ^ | 28 December, 2011 | Teresa Masterson
A Philadelphia man was shot dead Tuesday night after he made the mistake of trying to rob a man who had a pistol packin’ mama nearby, police say.
A 23-year-old man was in the stairwell of his East Oak Lane apartment building with his girlfriend at about 9 p.m. when a 19-year-old man walked up to them, pistol-whipped the man and shot him in the leg while trying to rob him, according to police.
The victim’s 46-year-old mother heard the commotion from her upstairs apartment, grabbed her legally registered gun, went into the stairwell and shot the suspect, police say.
The 19-year-old robbery suspect died at the scene with one gunshot wound to the chest, according to authorities.
The 23-year-old man was taken to Einstein Medical Center where he was in stable condition Tuesday night.
“Upon police arrival, [the woman] gave police her weapon and she told us she was intervening in a robbery and she was protecting her son,” Philadelphia Chief Inspector Scott Small tells NBC Philadelphia.
The 46-year-old mother has not been arrested, but she is being interviewed, police say.
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Hahahaha, what a fantastic yard sign!
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My new AR-15 I just built last week ...way too much fun to shoot to put in words.
Built this as a Christmas present for myself.
Also picked up a Para 1911 2 weeks ago as well.
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My new AR-15 I just built last week ...way too much fun to shoot to put in words.
Built this as a Christmas present for myself.
Also picked up a Para 1911 2 weeks ago as well.
What is that on the front?
I see the Eo Tech siite, the mag pul magazine, the front handrail, etc.
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My new AR-15 I just built last week ...way too much fun to shoot to put in words.
Built this as a Christmas present for myself.
Also picked up a Para 1911 2 weeks ago as well.
You should add a fore grip. They really help. I have one on mine and at 50 yards on iron sites - its bang bang bang bang every time no matter the target.
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ar build
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What is that on the front?
I see the Eo Tech siite, the mag pul magazine, the front handrail, etc.
Eo Tech 552 sight ...retail $600 ...paid $300 (notice it has the front and back covers $60 option)
Mag Pul P mag 30 round $15 each (have 10)
Mag Pul Stock, buffer & spring ($50)
Delaware Arms lower receiver ($65)
Stainless steel lower parts kit ($60)
Completed upper ($500)
The front is just a "suppressed look" completed upper. I just like the look, but it's heavy as shit.
It's my first AR build, I bought a completed upper with a chrome moly 1:9 twist barrel.
My second AR build will be ground up with way better parts.
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You should add a fore grip. They really help. I have one on mine and at 50 yards on iron sites - its bang bang bang bang every time no matter the target.
I'll either add a fore grip or that angled grip low profile one (don't know the name)
I forgot to add it's 5.56
I put about 500 rounds through it the day after I built it and had 1 malfunction (double feed) because the p mag springs aren't stretched out yet.
I slept maybe 2 hours the night before the range hahaha!
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More guns, less crime.
Hahhahahahhahaha oh brother ::)
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In NYS we have to have a fixed stock on an AR. I am looking at Eo Tech site but to be honest - at 100 I am pretty good on iron sights w only the changed out handrail and fore grip.
I am building a Remi 700 SPS for distance shooting.
If TSHTF - I have my AR, AK, etc as well as a .308 deer rifle for distance. If it gets within 100 yards, i have hand guns, etc.
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Here are a few of my toys.
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In NYS we have to have a fixed stock on an AR. I am looking at Eo Tech site but to be honest - at 100 I am pretty good on iron sights w only the changed out handrail and fore grip.
I am building a Remi 700 SPS for distance shooting.
If TSHTF - I have my AR, AK, etc as well as a .308 deer rifle for distance. If it gets within 100 yards, i have hand guns, etc.
I've shot plenty of iron sight rifles and they're easy to shoot, but for the AR I like the quick look EO tech with red dot. I'm going to add a magnifier for upcoming coyote and hog hunts.
I don't do much long distance shooting...100 yards is good enough for me.
Now I'm at the point where I have my basic weapons: AR-15, 1911 .45, 12 gauge Remington 870
I'm just going to get 1,000 and more rounds for each gun on reserve & I'll be good.
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Here are a few of my toys.
NIIIICE!
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I've shot plenty of iron sight rifles and they're easy to shoot, but for the AR I like the quick look EO tech with red dot. I'm going to add a magnifier for upcoming coyote and hog hunts.
I don't do much long distance shooting...100 yards is good enough for me.
Now I'm at the point where I have my basic weapons: AR-15, 1911 .45, 12 gauge Remington 870
I'm just going to get 1,000 and more rounds for each gun on reserve & I'll be good.
Good post. All I want at this point is a good 1911 and i should be good to go.
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Here are a few of my toys.
The recoil on that saiga must be a bitch.
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this thread is not about Groink's arms like I had hoped.
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this thread is not about Groink's arms like I had hoped.
Outed
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In NYS we have to have a fixed stock on an AR. I am looking at Eo Tech site but to be honest - at 100 I am pretty good on iron sights w only the changed out handrail and fore grip.
I am building a Remi 700 SPS for distance shooting.
If TSHTF - I have my AR, AK, etc as well as a .308 deer rifle for distance. If it gets within 100 yards, i have hand guns, etc.
Hand guns within a 100 yards? hand guns are good enough until you can get to your rifle , hand guns are back ups , the rifle is what you always wanna use
Forget iron sites like the pistol they are used for back-ups if your optic goes down , for getting sights on a target as fast as possible nothing beats a red dot or halo , you can get a cheap one for $120 bucks like Primary arms T1 micro Aimpoint clone
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Hand guns within a 100 yards? hand guns are good enough until you can get to your rifle , hand guns are back ups , the rifle is what you always wanna use
Forget iron sites like the pistol they are used for back-ups if your optic goes down , for getting sights on a target as fast as possible nothing beats a red dot or halo , you can get a cheap one for $120 bucks like Primary arms T1 micro Aimpoint clone
I have a .308 rifle for 100 +. I have an AK and an AR for 100 yards in. Have a few .22 rifles sited in for rapid fire. I have a few shot guns for 50 - 25 yards, and glocks for close in.
Plenty of ammo as well.
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Personally - not sure if owning a rifle is even worth it. Where I live, work, and study (Detroit) there really is no point of having a rifle. A gun that I can carry with me is much more useful.
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Personally - not sure if owning a rifle is even worth it. Where I live, work, and study (Detroit) there really is no point of having a rifle. A gun that I can carry with me is much more useful.
True but in a SHTF situation the rifle is what you should be using. In a home defense situation a rifle is what you should be using.
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TSHTF - I'm grabbing my mossberg 500 pistol grip cruiser, glock 26 w few mags, and my AK47 w at least 5 30 rounders.
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TSHTF - I'm grabbing my mossberg 500 pistol grip cruiser, glock 26 w few mags, and my AK47 w at least 5 30 rounders.
Good choices.
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True but in a SHTF situation the rifle is what you should be using. In a home defense situation a rifle is what you should be using.
Why a rifle for home defense? Handguns are more maneuverable, are they not?
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Why a rifle for home defense? Handguns are more maneuverable, are they not?
Shotgun is better. Less penetration through walls and better spray pattern under duress.
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Why a rifle for home defense? Handguns are more maneuverable, are they not?
Depends on the home , a rifle will get the job done more so than a pistol would. Especially a shotgun with 00
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Hand guns within a 100 yards? hand guns are good enough until you can get to your rifle , hand guns are back ups , the rifle is what you always wanna use
Forget iron sites like the pistol they are used for back-ups if your optic goes down , for getting sights on a target as fast as possible nothing beats a red dot or halo , you can get a cheap one for $120 bucks like Primary arms T1 micro Aimpoint clone
acog FTW!!!! ;D
seriously, Check out leupold.
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acog FTW!!!! ;D
seriously, Check out leupold.
I have an Aimpoint , I have a 6.5 Grendel lower sitting around if and when I decide to build it I would go the Leupold or Nightforce route with an 18" or 20" barrel
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fucking love duck hunting with an intratec
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Shotgun is better. Less penetration through walls and better spray pattern under duress.
Good point on the better spray pattern. But then again, I'd rather place an accurate shot if I had to.
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Shotgun is better. Less penetration through walls and better spray pattern under duress.
hollow points. ;)
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D.C. Ordered to Pay $1M in Historic Gun Case
Foxnews ^
Posted on December 29, 2011 9:00:06 PM EST by Red in Blue PA
WASHINGTON – The District of Columbia has been ordered to pay more than $1 million in attorneys' fees as a result of a historic gun case that was ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Dick Heller sued the city in 2003 over its ban on handgun ownership and the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the ban in June 2008, saying it violated the Second Amendment.
A federal judge on Thursday issued an opinion awarding Heller's attorneys $1,137,072.27 in fees and expenses. The attorneys had argued they should be awarded $3.1 million. Attorneys for the city said the figure should be closer to $840,000.
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Fort Worth Home Invasion Suspect Shot Dead
myfoxdfw.com ^ | December 29, 2011 | Alice Wolke
FORT WORTH - A woman shot and killed an home intruder in her exclusive Fort Worth neighborhood early Thursday morning, according to police.
Officers first received reports of a prowler in the 6700 block of Fortune Road near the Ridglea Country Club about 3:30 a.m.
According to Fort Worth Police Public Information Officer Sharron Neal, the woman, who was home alone, told police that someone rang her doorbell, then broke into her home.
Before she dialed 911, the woman reportedly called her husband, who was away traveling. He advised her to retrieve a gun kept in the home for protection.
Officer Neal said when officers arrived a few minutes later, they found a man inside the home with a gunshot wound to the torso.
The suspect, identified as 29-year-old James Green of Fort Worth, was rushed to John Peter Smith Hospital, where he later died.
Officer Neal also said the family had recently purchased the home.
Fort Worth police were interviewing the woman at downtown headquarters.
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No charges in Royal Palm Beach fatal shooting that took place after attempted motorcycle theft(FL)
wptv.com ^ | 30 December, 2011 | Evan Axelbank
ROYAL PALM BEACH, Fla. - A 19-year-old with a criminal history is dead after police say he was shot while trying to steal a motorcycle.
The man who pulled the trigger won't be charged by sheriff's deputies.
It all started at 4:00 a.m. Thursday morning when police say the owner of the motorcycle heard them, grabbed his rifle and opened fire.
"I knew it was real close from how they sounded," said the man's neighbor, Chris Grear. "It was boom, boom, boom, boom."
He says his next door neighbor fired more than a half-dozen bullets.
Benjy Young, 19, was killed.
Police say Young was one of three men trying to load the man's motorcycle onto a pickup truck they had just stolen.
Police say the homeowner acted in self-defense.
"They turned to him and pointed something at him in a gesture, like a firearm," said Sheriff's Deputy Eric Davis.
Legal analyst Michelle Suskauer says Florida has what's called the "stand your ground" law.
Passed in the mid-90s, it allows people to protect themselves when their property, like a vehicle, is entered, and the threat of bodily harm is made.
If this had happened 20 years ago, the outcome could've been different.
"In the past, you would not be able to use deadly force," said Suskauer. "You would have to retreat, before you would use deadly force, call the authorities, call for help."
Ironically, Suskauer says the people who could be jailed for Young's death are his own accomplices.
Because Young died in what police say was the commission of a separate felony - stealing a motorcycle and a truck - the two accomplices could face murder charges.
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In NYC - this homeowner would have been charged.
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This is a great thread. People need to understand you can defend yourself if your personal is violated. Had a guy down here in s.florida a few years back got attacked at a red light by somebody who had the road rage thing going on...as soon as he reached into the guys car the guy was carrying and put him down to rest. No charge.
I have zero sympathy for people who seem to feel they can just violate other peoples personal. They get what they get and here in florida it's a bullet to the chest.
I bought my wife a mossberg for her birthday, taught her how to care for the firearm aswell as how to use it. She asked why, then I showed her home invasion videos of here in florida alone. A dead home intruder is always better than a live one in court, so put em to rest.
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No charges in Royal Palm Beach fatal shooting that took place after attempted motorcycle theft(FL)
wptv.com ^ | 30 December, 2011 | Evan Axelbank
ROYAL PALM BEACH, Fla. - A 19-year-old with a criminal history is dead after police say he was shot while trying to steal a motorcycle.
The man who pulled the trigger won't be charged by sheriff's deputies.
It all started at 4:00 a.m. Thursday morning when police say the owner of the motorcycle heard them, grabbed his rifle and opened fire.
"I knew it was real close from how they sounded," said the man's neighbor, Chris Grear. "It was boom, boom, boom, boom."
He says his next door neighbor fired more than a half-dozen bullets.
Benjy Young, 19, was killed.
Police say Young was one of three men trying to load the man's motorcycle onto a pickup truck they had just stolen.
Police say the homeowner acted in self-defense.
"They turned to him and pointed something at him in a gesture, like a firearm," said Sheriff's Deputy Eric Davis.
Legal analyst Michelle Suskauer says Florida has what's called the "stand your ground" law.
Passed in the mid-90s, it allows people to protect themselves when their property, like a vehicle, is entered, and the threat of bodily harm is made.
If this had happened 20 years ago, the outcome could've been different.
"In the past, you would not be able to use deadly force," said Suskauer. "You would have to retreat, before you would use deadly force, call the authorities, call for help."
Ironically, Suskauer says the people who could be jailed for Young's death are his own accomplices.
Because Young died in what police say was the commission of a separate felony - stealing a motorcycle and a truck - the two accomplices could face murder charges.
(Excerpt) Read more at wptv.com ...
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In NYC - this homeowner would have been charged.
Awesome. back when I was in nyc I got a call about someone almost dead. I get there and this guy is roped up to a pole half beaten to death. He had a note on him that said ''I'm a bad motorcycle thief'' We didnt even bother trying to find out who did it cuz I would do the same.
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Tennessee tourist arrested for bringing pistol into 9/11 Memorial
nypost.com ^ | 12/29/2011 | JAMIE SCHRAM, C.J. SULLIVAN and DAREH GREGORIAN
Posted on December 29, 2011 2:03:08 PM EST by massmike
A tourist from Tennessee waltzed into one of the most secure sites in the city — and politely asked a cop if she could check her weapon.
Instead, she was dragged out in cuffs.
Now, Meredith Graves, 39, is facing at least three years in prison for thinking New York’s gun laws are anything like those in the Bible Belt.
Graves, a fourth-year medical student, showed up at the memorial on Dec. 22 to pay her respects during a trip north for a job interview.
She didn’t realize that the loaded .32-caliber pistol in her purse would be a problem until she saw a sign at the site that read, “No guns allowed,” sources said.
“She remembered she had the gun on her,” a source said. She walked up to a security guard and said, “I have this gun. Where can I check it?”
The guard told her that she was in luck because of “law enforcement day” — and led her to another area.
When she got to that section, she asked another cop, “We have this gun — can we check it in here? We [my husband and I] are not law-enforcement.”
That’s when she was arrested.
Graves, who has a full legal carry permit in Tennessee, was locked up on a weapons-possession charge and held on $2,000 bond that she posted yesterday. She is due in court on March 19.
She’ll soon find out exactly how serious New York City is about illegal guns. The Manhattan DA’s Office is pursuing a conviction on felony gun possession — carrying a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 years.
Mayor Bloomberg, with the help of the five district attorneys, has crusaded against the flow of illegal guns, especially from the South.
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What a moron this woman is!!! Jesus Christ - does she not know what is going on in NYc!
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Pictured: The teenager shot dead after taking pellet gun to school... posing with 'lethal weapon'
Daily Mail ^ | 01/05/12 | Staff
This is the teenager shot dead by police for brandishing a pellet gun in the hallway of his school - posing with a friend holding the 'weapon'.
Jaime Gonzalez, 15, was gunned down because he would not lower the gun which officers believed was a loaded pistol.
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He said he heard police run down the hallway and yell 'put the gun down,' before several shots were fired.
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Boy, 14, kills intruder after gang of FOUR men try to break into house
UK Daily Mail ^ | 7:28 PM GMT on 5th January 2012 | Paul Thompson
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:24:24 PM by DCBryan1
Yet another teen has used deadly force to protect his home from intruders.
Police in North Carolina revealed a 14-year-old boy shot dead an intruder attempting to break into his home while he and his sister were alone.
The teen opened fire with a shotgun while his 17-year-old sister hid in a closet as a gang of men attempted to smash their way into their home.
The incident took place two days before 18-year-old Sarah McKinley shot and killed an intruder breaking into her home in Oklahoma
While on the phone with 911, the young mother shot and killed one of the intruders with a 12-gauge shotgun after he forced his way inside her home.
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Awesome!!!!!
Obama voters are dropping like flies lately!
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MSNBC Puts Two and Two Together and Comes Up with Zilch
thetruthaboutguns.com ^ | 6 January, 2012 | Bruce W. Krafft
Posted on January 7, 2012 8:39:04 AM EST by marktwain
A comforting report from msnbc.com highlights what they see as an incongruous silver lining in the country’s persistent economic doldrums: “Americans, take solace: While your chances of landing a job these days might not be great, you’re also less likely to be murdered, or robbed or to have your car stolen. The rate of major crimes in the U.S. continues to drop – even during the recent recession and its aftermath – and crime experts aren’t sure why.” Their “experts” explain that in every recession since WWII, there’s been an increase in crime rates. Criminologist and UC Berkeley law professor Franklin Zimring provides an appetizing visual by pointing out that, “What’s pushing it down is the mystery meat in the recipe of recent years.” But when he says “recent years,” what, precisely, does he mean?
According to recently released FBI crime statistics, the number of violent crimes — murder and non-negligent homicide, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault — reported in the first six months of 2011 declined 6.4 percent compared with the first six months of 2010. The number of property crimes (burglary, larceny-theft and motor vehicle theft) decreased 3.7 percent for the same time frame.
The report is based on information from more than 12,500 law enforcement agencies and shows the continuation of a downward trend in crime that began in 2008.
Hmmm, I wonder. Is there anything else that’s happened? Something that started in 2008 that might explain the drop in crime rates? Well, according to an October, 2008 story from the New York Times:
Sales of handguns, rifles and ammunition have surged in the past week, according to gun store owners around the United States who describe a wave of buyers concerned that an Obama administration will curtail their right to bear arms.
But is that just an anecdote or was that part of a bigger trend? According to the FBI, NICS checks (which are indicative of firearm sales) have been steadily rising since 2007. Looking at the 60 months of NICS checks from January 2007 through December 2011, there have only been eight months where sales didn’t rise over the previous year’s sales. In layman’s terms, people have been buying more guns each year than they did the year before. And the media have been all over this story for years.
So how does a non-credentialed, non-professorial, non-criminologist, non-journalist with no experts to call on connect these dots when a senior editor at msnbc.com can’t? It’s almost as if he’s wearing ideological blinkers or something. Perish the thought.
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Shotgun is better. Less penetration through walls and better spray pattern under duress.
Absolutely not true.
I'd only use a shotgun for home defense if I was living by myself or absolutely knew what was behind my target.
1. Buckshot will go through walls and fuck some shit up. Let's put it this way. From about 5-10 yards in a home defense situation, most of your BBs should go into your guy, but every BB that goes flying and misses is a liability that you are responsible for. If it hits a loved one sleeping in next room, neighbor, ...etc.
Birdshot will not go through walls but it is highly ineffective in stoping an intruder. It will only make a flesh wound about 1-2 inches of penetration. So it's useless unless you go for the fucker's eyes, which still doesn't put the intruder down because he can still fight with his hands.
2. Pistol and rifle are best options because you can control each round that you shoot.
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Wow. She is perfect.
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Wow. She is perfect.
True, and the girl isn't bad either.
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True, and the girl isn't bad either.
LOL. Those legs are pppppeeerrrffeeecttt to me.
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True, and the girl isn't bad either.
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Man you guys don't know shit about guns. Don't come near me though!
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National Guardsman thwarts Red Line robbery; 3 teens arrested(IL)
suntimes.com ^ | 8 January, 2012 | KIM JANSSEN
Three teens who attempted to rob a judo instructor with a replica gun at a CTA station got more than they bargained for, police say.
It wasn’t the judo teacher who taught them a lesson, authorities say, but an Army National Guardsman armed with a real gun.
Spc. Paville Simpson, 21, was hailed a hero Sunday, hours after he cuffed two of the teens and held the third until police arrived Saturday night at the North and Clybourne Red Line station.
“I wasn’t trying to be a hero,” the military police officer who serves with the Headquarters Company, 404th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade said, “I didn’t have time to think — my training just kicked in.”
Simpson was on his way to his day job as a security guard around 6:30 p.m. and was wearing his World Security Agency uniform when the 28-year-old victim approached him and described the three attackers who’d just unsuccessfully tried to snatch his iPhone at gunpoint, Simpson and the victim both said.
Within seconds, Simpson had chased down and cuffed two 16-year-old boys to each other, he said. Then he squared off against a 17-year-old who pulled out what “looked like a real .22 pistol,” he said.
As Simpson grabbed his own gun, the 17-year-old — identified in court Sunday by prosecutors as Donte Jackson — shouted “please don’t shoot, it’s not real!” Simpson said. The 17-year-old pulled the trigger on the fake gun, revealing a flame, he said. “It was a lighter, but I told him, ‘You shouldn’t have done that, I could have shot you.’”
Meanwhile the two 16-year-olds stood motionless, he said. “I think they were in awe.”
Chicago Police arrived in “five or six squad cars” within a couple of minutes and completed the arrests, he said. “It’s good to know that they’re out there to help a soldier,” he added.
Jackson, of the 4700 block of South Wabash, was charged with felony attempted aggravated robbery and aggravated assault and was held on bail of $100,000 during a short hearing at the Cook County Criminal Court Sunday. He was wanted on a warrant for an earlier robbery, police said. The 16-year-olds were charged as juveniles.
Maj. Gen. William L. Enyart, the Adjutant General of the Illinois National Guard, said, “One of the values that the Army and the Illinois National Guard instills in our soldiers is personal courage. Spc. Simpson certainly displayed that courage in helping a fellow Chicago citizen last night.
“We are proud to have such courageous men and women in our ranks.”
Simpson, a graduate of Lincoln Park High School and a part-time student at Phoenix University, said the incident showed the value of concealed carry laws in place in other states, pointing out that he wouldn’t have been entitled to carry his weapon in Illinois if he hadn’t been on his way to work.
The victim, who had been teaching judo to disabled veterans minutes before he was targeted, described Simpson as “My hero.”
“When I saw him come down the stairs with all three of the robbers, I couldn’t believe it,” he said.
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LOL. FNG ghetto morons.
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Family of dead robbery suspect speaks(VA)
wavy.com ^ | 9 January, 2012 | Anne McNamara
NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) - The family of a robbery suspect, shot and killed in the act, is speaking out.
Police say Raymond Davis, 22, of Norfolk, and two other men tried to rob Rogers Sport's Pub in Chesapeake Friday Night.
Witnesses told WAVY.com one of the patrons in the bar shot and killed Davis during the attempted robbery. It's the same story detectives told his grandmother Sheila Davis.
"The man went outside and came back in with his gun and shot him down," said Davis. "It's like shooting a dog down. He is a human being."
Davis says her grandson got mixed up with the wrong crowd. While she doesn't condone his behavior, she wants the public to respect her family in this time of grief.
"I'm not trying to sweet-coat nothing," said Davis. "He went in there to rob the place, but eventually he got killed is the result of it."
Witnesses say Davis and two other men entered the bar armed, wearing masks, and demanding money.
Shelia Davis is asking police to investigate the circumstances of the shooting and what happened after her grandson fell to the floor.
"They beat him with pool sticks," said Davis. "Why would you beat a person with pool sticks when he's already laying on the floor dead?"
Davis says her grandson was in the process of turning his life around. She says he had a steady job at a nearby McDonald's, and was the father to a 2-year-old with another baby on the way.
"They sit there and talk about it like it's a joke or something," said Davis. "It's not a joke. My grandson is gone. He's never coming back."
Police won't say if the person who shot Davis could possibly face charges.
They are still looking for the two other suspects who fled, possibly in a light blue Ford Taurus.
Stay with WAVY.com for the latest on this developing story.
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Obama voters are dropping like flies lately.
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Alleged burglar fatally shot by homeowner in South Everett
By KOMO Staff Published: Jan 9, 2012 at 12:17
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Alleged-burglar-fatally-shot-by-homeowner-outside-Everett-136961108.html#idc-cover
EVERETT, Wash. -- An alleged burglar was fatally shot at a home on Monday morning.
The incident occurred at a home in the 10500 block of 21st Ave. SE at approximately 11:47 a.m.
Snohomish County sheriff's deputies said the homeowner found the stranger in his home, and a confrontation ensued. During the argument, the homeowner opened fire, hitting the alleged burglar. The person was pronounced dead minutes later.
Investigators have revealed few details about the incident.
State law allows citizens to use deadly force when protecting themselves or their homes. The prosecutor will decide whether the use of force in this case was justifiable self-defense.
Area residents say they Monday's incident caps the recent string of burglaries and car prowls.
"We moved in a couple months ago, and we've had our cars broken into," said resident Ramie Esquivel.
Jim Meyers, another resident, said his neighbor also fell victim to a car prowl.
"She had just moved in. They nailed her cars," he said. "I mean, people are doing this all the time."
Sheriff's deputies say the area has seen a slight increase in home burglaries in the past several
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Okay dipshit, let's use our common sense. When you increase the cost of committing crime, what happens?
I'm not against guns, but there is no evidence whatsoever that gun ownership makes for a safer society.
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I'm not against guns, but there is no evidence whatsoever that gun ownership makes for a safer society.
Your right, there isn't. I think guns are horrible for making a peaceful society. But Americans need to keep their guns, especially now in these unpredictable times.
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If you lived where it takes 20 mintues for the Sheriff to respond to anything you might think differently.
Would there be less murders nationally with no guns sold in the last 20 years? Probably....but look at the stats of who is killing whom and make the decision what the issue is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#Epidemiology
Guns to me are a responsibility worth having.....and like children....some people have them that shouldn't. And all the SHTF survivalists aren't looking quite so crazy these days. Maybe I'm just becoming Dale Gribble, haha.
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I'm not against guns, but there is no evidence whatsoever that gun ownership makes for a safer society.
Except for multiple statistical studies. See any peer-reviewed study authored by the econometrician John Lott.
Also, basic logic: in a society with high gun-ownership rates, the risk of getting shot while committing a violent crime increases. Greater risk deters crime to a large extent. There's a reason why gun shows are practically crime free zones.
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Victims Fight Back... Victims 25- Armed Robbers 0
http://armedselfdefense.blogspot.com/2012/01/victims-fight-back-victims-24-armed.html
HSBC BANKS have posted "No Guns" signs on the front doors of all their branches. But, they might just have well have posted this sign.
This armed robber ignored the "No Guns" sign and policy at the HSBC Bank located at 2215 43rd in New York. However, he accidentally fired his gun and and everyone hit the floor. That was enough to scare him and he fled the bank.
HE IS STILL ON THE RUN FROM THE LAW
However, other armed robbers, burglars, and other criminals carrying guns were not lucky enough to get away.
A Broward County, Florida man should have gone for a day at Hollywood Beach instead of trying to break into a car. Instead of getting stolen property, alleged burglar, 21 year old Antonio Santana (pictured below), got the attention of its owner. Santana was rifling through the car when the owner, armed with a handgun went outside of the house to where the car was parked to see what was happening. The owner told police that he feared for his life because it appeared to him that Santana was going for a weapon. He then shot Santana twice in the leg. Santana had an open arrest warrant for him for theft. He was in a wheelchair when he made his first court appearance.
The arraigning Judge told him that since he got himself shot, it was just the cost of doing business for committing a crime.
ANTONIO SANTANA
An alleged burglar, Darren Seidell, was in front of a Judge in Penobscot County, Maine today after being shot and wounded by his victim. The resident, a concealed weapons permit holder used his semiautomatic handgun when he shot the other man in the foot
Alleged armed robber Reco Casey and a friend went into the Salon Boutique in Georgia believing that they would walk out with some quick cash. But he got a bullet wound to the leg instead. One of the Salon’s employees drew a handgun and fired at the erstwhile robber. And, as usually happens when one of a gang is shot, his friend ran off when Casey was shot.
An Everett, Washington burglar met his fate at the hands of his intended home invasion victim. The resident caught the burglar in the act in his home. The burglar was confronted before his death in the house, and an argument took place. The home invader was shot by the homeowner. There has been a rise in burglaries in the neighborhood.
A gang of six people purportedly tried to break into an Okmulgee, Oklahoma salvage yard when they were interrupted by the owner of the business on Saturday. He took action and shot one of the six. Alleged burglar, 27-year-old Robert Skinner, was shot and airlifted to an area hospital. The other five were captured by law enforcement. The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is involved in a full investigation of the burglary.
A Montgomery, Alabama resident bought a gun for home protection after the first burglary at his home several years ago. He shot an alleged teenage burglar during the third burglary try at the home last week. The teenager rang a doorbell at the home and apparently assumed that no one was home. He was wrong. The homeowner had gone to the door and didn’t see anyone outside. However, the resident then saw several people trying to pry open a window. The armed teenager was shot as he tried to enter the residence. A second suspect was captured.
Roger’s Sports Bar in Chesapeake, Virginia was the scene where a patron came to the aid of another patron who was allegedly being robbed by twenty two year old Raymond Davis, who had just entered the bar while wearing a ski mask and carrying a gun. Two masked and armed accomplices allegedly followed Davis into the bar. Davis approached a patron and ordered him to empty his pockets. Then, another customer chased one robber outside of the bar. He got his gun and went back inside where he killed Davis. The third robber was in the bar’s kitchen area when Davis was killed. He started firing his gun and a shootout ensued. Another patron in the bar was hit by gunfire, but is recovering. The two surviving criminals ran away when their friend was killed. A relative of the dead man said that Davis was in the process of “turning his life around.”
The owner of the family’s dog in Jackson, Mississippi was awakened by the dog’s barking in the late night hours. She went to a window and witnessed the breaking and entering of the neighboring house across the street. She saw someone coming out of a window and running toward a waiting getaway car. She then saw the home’s occupant climbing out of the same window, chasing the burglar. The home invasion victim shot the alleged twenty year old burglar several times and he was arrested as he sought treatment at a local hospital.
A Belle Glade, Florida jewelry store clerk at Osvilda jewelers got lucky when an armed robber trio entered his store. One of the criminals drew a gun, and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened other than the sound of a”click” being heard in the showroom. That gave the clerk time enough to draw his own gun and begin shooting at the thieves. The three men ran out of the store into the back of a waiting getaway van.
And, another robber’s gun misfired last month at a Kangaroo store in Orange County, Florida. Two black men went into the store wearing masks and carrying guns. The clerk told the pair that he couldn’t open the safe, and the two robbers went ballistic. The surveillance camera captured the sound of the click of a gun’s firing pin. When the robbers figured out that the gun would not fire, they pistol whipped the hapless clerk. The police are looking for the two men.
One Andalusia, Georgia armed robber was shot some distance away from the crime scene by an armed citizen. Two employees of a local business left the store after closing. They ordered the woman who was not carrying the day’s cash deposit to give them the money and her car keys. She was then forced into her car by an armed thug. The men decided to leave the woman behind instead of kidnapping her and took her car.
They left followed by a Ford SUV driven by an accomplice. Police recognized the employee’s car on the highway and pursued it. The SUV tried unsuccessfully run interference for the two armed men. The men bailed from the car and took off running.
One robber had the misfortune of running into armed citizens several different times after leaving the robbery scene. Police dogs followed the men to a nearby residential area.
The police saw an armed homeowner standing in his driveway, armed with a shotgun and who was apparently aware of the attempted robbery. He had seen one of the suspects. He told the man to stop and tried to make a citizen’s arrest. The robber fled as the resident fired his shotgun. That robber was hit with birdshot. Dogs arrived at the homeowner’s house, but lost the scent.
A deer hunter found the wounded man the next morning, and called police. He was arrested and was jailed on a 1.5 million dollar bond.
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Roark approved.
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Homeowner Shoots Suspects in Northeast S.A. - Sylvia RIncon
http://foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_8739.shtml
Police are on the scene of a shooting on the 8200 block of Quail Creek. They say a homeowner caught two men trying to break into his home. One of the suspects shot the homeowner through the cheek. He is expected to be okay. The homeowner managed open fire with a shotgun, killing one of the suspects and critically injuring the other.BREAKING NEWS: Homeowner Shoots Suspects in Northeast S.A. - Sylvia RIncon
Wednesday, January 11 2012, 08:29 AM CST
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HOMICIDE DROP WHILE GUN OWNERSHIP RISES SHOWS ANTI-GUNNERS WRONG, SAYS CCRKBA
ccrkba.org ^ | 12 January, 2012 | CCRKBA
BELLEVUE, WA – This week’s revelation by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that homicide is no longer among the leading causes of death in the United States – at a time when gun ownership is at an all-time high – shows that the gun ban lobby has been wrong, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.
“The CDC’s report for 2010 that removes homicide from the top 15 leading causes of death in this country coincides with a period of record high gun ownership,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “At the same time, increasing numbers of citizens have obtained concealed carry permits and licenses. This is pretty strong evidence that rising gun ownership does not translate to more violence and murder.”
Gottlieb, co-author of the newly-released SHOOTING BLANKS: Why Facts Don’t Matter to the Gun Ban Crowd with Dave Workman, noted that the CDC has long been a source of data exploited by gun prohibitionists.
“I wonder how anti-gunners will try to spin this report,” he mused. “Gun control extremists will have a hard time explaining how, after years of repeated predictions and warnings that more guns in private hands will result in more mayhem, that homicides are no longer among the top causes of death in the United States.
“Gun banners can’t have it both ways,” Gottlieb continued. “If the data had shown murders on the increase, you can bet your life savings that they would be screaming ‘We told you so!’ on every front page in America.”
Gottlieb said the CDC report is just one more demonstration of how wrong anti-gunners have been in their campaign of fear against private gun ownership.
“This new information correlates with national crime trends over the past few years, showing declining violent crime while gun ownership has increased,” he concluded. “You simply can no longer demonize gun ownership or the Second Amendment as a leading cause of crime.”
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82-year-old Daytona Beach homeowner kills masked man trying to break in(FL)
cfnews13.com ^ | 12 January, 2012 | Saul Saenz
DAYTONA BEACH --
Police said an intruder was shot and killed after trying to break into a 82-year-old man's home early Thursday.
According to police, the homeowner, Charles Robbins, 82, awoke around 6 a.m. to find a man trying to enter his home, near Woodland Avenue and A1A.
Robbins said the intruder was wearing a ski mask, and had a hammer and a screwdriver. So he grabbed his World War II Russian handgun and shot the man through his door, and then called 911.
When police arrived, they said they found the suspect, 24-year-old Tyler Orshoski, dead in the front yard.
Police said they believe Orshoski was behind several recent burglaries in the same neighborhood.
"The homeowner did something the criminal justice system couldn't do with this guy," said Daytona Beach police Chief Mike Chitwood. "We're familiar with the burglar. He put him out of business."
Chitwood said the homeowner was within his rights to shoot the intruder, because he believed his life was in danger.
Robbins says he would do it again if he had to.
"Oh yeah, in a nano second," he said. "Better nobody try to break into my house or they'll get the same thing he did.”
Robbins says his neighbors should arm themselves as well and shoot anyone who tries to break into their homes.
Neighbors in the Beachside neighborhood said it was not the first time a fellow homeowner was forced to defend himself.
Just last year a suspect tried breaking into a home down the street from Robbins.
In that case, the suspect was shot and crawled to neighbor Dave Hill's home.
"Twenty four years old, he died in my arms, and that was the first one. Then, there's one about four blocks down and this the third one now," described Hill.
Homeowners living directly across from Robbins said they were not armed yet, but were thinking of buying a firearm after what happened.
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These are the next two on my wishlist:
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/asian-indian-community-taking-self-defense-classes/nGMfw
awesome. Can't wait for the dots to start blasting the thugs.
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These are the next two on my wishlist:
I love the top one is that and Hk?
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Your right, there isn't. I think guns are horrible for making a peaceful society. But Americans need to keep their guns, especially now in these unpredictable times.
This
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I love the top one is that and Hk?
Sig 226.
I don't remember which model it is, and I'm not even sure which model I want, yet.
The Smith in the pic below is "The Governor," and shoots .410 shotshell. Decent pattern given the barrel length.
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Pistol-Packing By the Millions
A Viennese garage-tinkerer heard that the Austrian army wanted a new sidearm. He got down to work—with industrial plastic..Article Comments (43) more in Books | Find New $LINKTEXTFIND$ ».
By DANIEL HORAN
In 1980, Gaston Glock was the manager of a car-radiator factory just outside Vienna. At home, he ran a side business in his garage, making knives and bayonets for the Austrian army. He lived in a comfortable though not overly prosperous way, all but unknown beyond his corner of Austria. He knew next to nothing about firearms. Less than 20 years later, he was the world's leading manufacturer of handguns, and the business born in his garage had annual revenues of more than $100 million.
If this improbable success story involved nothing more than technical innovation, Mr. Glock's ascent would no doubt still make for a compelling tale. But, as Paul M. Barrett reveals in "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun," there is more to the story. Much more, including political shenanigans, corporate corruption and an attempted assassination.
Mr. Barrett, a former writer for The Wall Street Journal and now an editor at Bloomberg Businessweek, brings a financial reporter's eye to the peculiar enterprise of making and selling guns. Like most successful businesses, Mr. Glock's benefited from good timing and good luck.
In February 1980, the author tells us, Mr. Glock chanced to overhear a conversation between two Austrian colonels as they expressed the need for a new army sidearm. He asked them for a chance to bid on the contract. The colonels merely laughed, regarding him as little more than a garage tinkerer. Undaunted, he sought an audience with Austria's defense minister and asked him for a chance to compete for the business. The minister agreed, and the rest, as they say, is history.
"That I knew nothing [about guns] was my advantage," Mr. Glock said in an interview. He bought a number of handguns and disassembled them in his workshop, examining each component for its function while weighing potential improvements. He made prototypes and test-fired them with his left hand; if he was maimed by an explosion, he could still draw blueprints with his right. The product of his efforts was a nine-millimeter semi-automatic pistol that he designated the Glock 17 because it was his 17th invention.
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.Most notably, the frame of the new Glock pistol was built of industrial plastic, making it lighter and more resistant to corrosion than the conventional all-steel guns in use up to that time. The handgun's various parts were housed in separate subgroups, making them easy to remove and replace. There was no safety or decocking lever to confuse the user. (The safety was built right into the trigger.) All told, the Glock 17 was a revolutionary new version of a weapon that had remained largely unchanged for a century.
The Austrian army tested the Glock 17 against pistols from such established European arms makers as Heckler & Koch, Sig Sauer, Beretta and Steyr. On Nov. 5, 1982, Mr. Glock received the news that his pistol had bested all the others. "Glock started with a blank sheet of paper," writes Mr. Barrett. "He listened to his military customers. He made adjustments they requested. As a result, he came up with something original—and, as it turned out, he did so at precisely the right moment."
It was not the last of Mr. Glock's right moments. In 1984, an Austrian expatriate in the United States named Karl Walter, who sold firearms out of his motor home as he traveled the country, returned to Austria for a visit. While there, he came across a Glock 17 in a gun shop. He found its squared-off, plastic appearance ugly, but he was curious about the upstart designer who had somehow won the approval of the Austrian military. Mr. Walter visited Mr. Glock and proposed marketing the handgun in America. "This pistol will sell," he told Mr. Glock. "But it must be sold."
And sold it was. Mr. Walter arranged for the Glock 17 to be featured in the October 1984 issue Soldier of Fortune magazine, and product placements in films and television shows soon had Glock pistols showing up in the hands of Hollywood's biggest stars. Innovation had spawned fascination. Once Glock pistols were adopted by the FBI, the Secret Service and major American police departments, sales to the public began to eclipse those of even Smith & Wesson, the venerable American gun maker, which nearly went out of business as a result.
But as Mr. Barrett notes, it wasn't only lawmen who started packing Glocks. Some of America's worst mass shootings have been carried out with Glock pistols, like the one in Tucson, Ariz., last January, in which six people were killed and 13 wounded, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The rap star Tupac Shakur, whose lyrics were dotted with rhyming references to the Austrian weapon, was murdered by a Glock-wielding gunman on a Las Vegas street in 1996.
The popularity of Gaston Glock's creation brought him great wealth, which became the target of unscrupulous underlings. In 1999, he was the victim of an attempted murder in Luxembourg. The police investigation found that the attack had been commissioned by one of Mr. Glock's associates, who had embezzled millions of dollars from the company over the course of several years. Mr. Glock himself was not untainted: The investigation also revealed the complicated measures that he had taken to avoid paying taxes, with shell corporations in several countries. Mr. Barrett reports that the investigation of another embezzlement case a few years later, in the U.S., turned up evidence that the company had secretly funneled donations to American politicians through Glock employees. But none of the embarrassing news hurt sales: Glock sold its five millionth handgun in 2007, and its pistols remain the world's most popular.
I confess that, as a policeman, I was one of the early skeptics about the "plastic pistol" and still have not warmed to it; unlike most of my co-workers, who carry Glocks on duty, I still wear the Beretta I've had since 1985. But whatever one's taste in firearms, and even if one has no taste for them at all, Mr. Barrett's book is a fascinating look at one man's extraordinary success.
Mr. Horan is a police officer in California.
via WSJ
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Don't have a gun unfortunately. But any intruder will have to face this:
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Pistol-Packing By the Millions...
Very good article, 3.
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Justifiable homicides rise in Palm Beach County
palmbeachpost.com ^ | 16 January, 2012 | Julius Whigham II
As a West Palm Beach homeowner confronted two intruders in March, the encounter turned deadly. One intruder was shot and killed.
Weeks later, two men were fatally shot in a dispute aboard a boat near Phil Foster Park in Riviera Beach. Initially charged with murder, the boat's owner, 65-year-old Michael Monahan, was later set free after a judge cited the state's controversial "Stand Your Ground" statute.
And in July, 19-year-old James Fritz was killed after he allegedly broke into a Greenacres home and charged at the homeowner with knives.
Though Palm Beach County's overall homicide rate continued to decline in 2011, authorities say justifiable homicides increased.
"There definitely was an increase in the Stand Your Ground claims in 2011," said Terri Skiles, chief of the Major Violent Crimes Division in the Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office.
Not counting three fatal shootings that involved officers, six of the county's 84 homicides last year were either determined to be justifiable or resulted in no charges against the alleged assailant. That is the highest number of justifiable homicides involving private citizens since the Stand Your Ground law went into effect in late 2005, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
There were four justifiable homicides involving private citizens in 2010, and three each in 2008 and 2009, FDLE statistics show.
Law enforcement officials caution that it's too soon to determine whether the increase reflects an emerging trend.
However, the Stand Your Ground law became a topic of contention in September when Circuit Judge Richard Oftedahl dismissed charges against Monahan in the shooting deaths of Raymond Mohlman, 49, and Matthew Vittum, 43. At issue was whether Monahan had reason to fear for his life. Neither man was armed and neither touched Monahan.
The law says people who are attacked on their property have no duty to retreat and can meet force with deadly force to protect themselves.
Palm Beach County State Attorney Michael McAuliffe declined to discuss the judge's decision in the Monahan case, citing a pending appeal .
The county's top prosecutor expressed some concern, however, about how the law might affect investigations in specific circumstances. "The way the law is written, it has proved to be an impediment to certain situations that we believed, on the evidence, supported charges," he said.
The law's proponents say it has resulted in law enforcement investigators and prosecutors examining potential instances of justifiable force more thoroughly before pursuing charges.
"There's no question that law has certainly brought to light the fact that certain situations and certain circumstances, as tragic as they are, often are the product of justifiable shootings and killings, whether it be self-defense, Stand Your Ground or officer-related shootings," criminal defense attorney Michael Salnick said. "I think it goes to law enforcement's credit and to prosecutors who are doing the right thing in looking at the law before making a snap decision to charge someone."
In some situations, such as the Greenacres confrontation, investigators did not file charges. Police said Fritz charged at homeowner Joseph Wagner with knives on July 17 after breaking into the residence .
Fritz "was looking for blood," Wagner's son Joe told The Palm Beach Post in July. "We have guns for protection, and now we know why."
After a Dec. 29 incident in Royal Palm Beach, Palm Beach County sheriff's detectives determined that Damian Niemeyer fired his gun out of fear when he confronted a teen and two others who were allegedly trying to steal his motorcycle. Niemeyer, 37, told detectives that he fired his gun at them after one of the men pointed a gun at him while Niemeyer was shouting at them from his townhouse's second-floor bedroom window.
The shooting left 19-year-old Benjy Young of West Palm Beach dead on the townhouse complex's pavement.
Despite the spike in alleged justifiable homicides last year, the county's overall number continued to drop: There were 11 fewer killings in 2011 than in 2010. The total of 84 marked the third straight year that Palm Beach County had fewer than 100 homicides.
McAuliffe said he believes that efforts by law enforcement agencies and prosecutors to target gangs and repeat offenders have helped to reduce the violent crime rate.
"I think we've seen a stepping down of violent crime in general," McAuliffe said, "and I think homicides are probably part of that larger story."
Citing the recent arrests in the first murder case of 2012, the killing of Belle Glade grocer Jimmy McMillan, McAuliffe stressed that it's important for the community to play a role in bringing violent offenders to justice.
"In the future, the challenge we have is that many homicides depend on the community's cooperation to help solve and to hold the perpetrators accountable," he said. "You saw a perfect example of that play out (in the McMillan case)."
'Stand Your Ground' law
in Florida
* Passed in 2005, it gives occupants of a home or car the right to use deadly force to protect themselves against an attack.
* The measure presumes that an unlawful intruder is there to cause death or great bodily harm.
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Lawyer: Shooter had right to fire(PA)
altoonamirror.com ^ | 20 January, 2012 | Greg Bock
The Allegheny Township homeowner who shot a man he thought was trying to get into his house in the middle of the night gave plenty of warnings and was "well within his legal rights" to pull the trigger, his attorney said.
Attorney Steven Passarello said Thursday his client, Timothy Lepore, and his wife were frightened for their lives as Brandon L. Zeth, 24, pounded on their windows and doors while screaming, "I'm coming in!" just after midnight Saturday morning on Cunningham Lane in Allegheny Township.
"Of course my client didn't know what the individual was there for, banging on the windows and acting aggressively," Passarello said.
Allegheny Township police have released scant details of the confrontation Jan. 14 at the Cunningham Lane home that left Zeth in critical condition at the Altoona Regional Health System from multiple gunshot wounds. No new condition report was available Thursday, a hospital spokeswoman said.
Passarello said there have been misinterpretations about what happened at Lepore's home in the past week, particularly since Zeth's family spoke with WTAJ-TV and said Zeth wasn't trying to break in but was intoxicated and thought he was at his girlfriend's house nearby.
Several attempts by the Mirror to contact Zeth's family were unsuccessful.
Passarello said that to the homeowner, it looked as if Zeth was there to do the couple harm.
It started with Zeth pounding on the front door, which woke the Lepore couple, who are in their 60s, with a start, Passarello said. Zeth was yelling he wanted to come inside. Zeth then moved to a living room window and rapped on it, all the while screaming that he was "coming in," the attorney said.
Passarello said when Zeth jumped onto a back deck, which had a locked entrance, and began yelling and banging on their bedroom
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Lawyer: Shooter had right to fire(PA)
altoonamirror.com ^ | 20 January, 2012 | Greg Bock
The Allegheny Township homeowner who shot a man he thought was trying to get into his house in the middle of the night gave plenty of warnings and was "well within his legal rights" to pull the trigger, his attorney said.
Attorney Steven Passarello said Thursday his client, Timothy Lepore, and his wife were frightened for their lives as Brandon L. Zeth, 24, pounded on their windows and doors while screaming, "I'm coming in!" just after midnight Saturday morning on Cunningham Lane in Allegheny Township.
"Of course my client didn't know what the individual was there for, banging on the windows and acting aggressively," Passarello said.
Allegheny Township police have released scant details of the confrontation Jan. 14 at the Cunningham Lane home that left Zeth in critical condition at the Altoona Regional Health System from multiple gunshot wounds. No new condition report was available Thursday, a hospital spokeswoman said.
Passarello said there have been misinterpretations about what happened at Lepore's home in the past week, particularly since Zeth's family spoke with WTAJ-TV and said Zeth wasn't trying to break in but was intoxicated and thought he was at his girlfriend's house nearby.
Several attempts by the Mirror to contact Zeth's family were unsuccessful.
Passarello said that to the homeowner, it looked as if Zeth was there to do the couple harm.
It started with Zeth pounding on the front door, which woke the Lepore couple, who are in their 60s, with a start, Passarello said. Zeth was yelling he wanted to come inside. Zeth then moved to a living room window and rapped on it, all the while screaming that he was "coming in," the attorney said.
Passarello said when Zeth jumped onto a back deck, which had a locked entrance, and began yelling and banging on their bedroom
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Stupid homeowner...
He should have stopped and tried to ask the intruder if he was sober and had the right house.
But, no...as soon as someone comes in your yard in the middle of the night and starts banging on doors & windows, yelling that he's going to force his way in, you gun-toting, right-wing loons all jump to conclusions that he's up to no good.
Hey, I don't care if the guy was mistaken and/or high, or drunk, etc.
Whatever his state or rationale, he had no good intentions.
Those people had a right to protect themselves.
And, if the stupid fukker hadn't been trespassing, he'd have never gotten shot.
The only thing I feel bad about is that, since the guy lived, he'll probably now come back, press charges, and sue the shit out of the elderly couple.
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Customer shoots robbery suspect at SC Waffle Shop
CBS News ^ | Jan 21, 2012 | AP
Posted on January 22, 2012 12:38:34 AM EST by Innovative
Authorities say a customer at a South Carolina Waffle shop pulled a gun and shot one of two men trying to rob the restaurant.
Authorities said the customer had a concealed weapon permit and tried to hold the two men at gunpoint until officers arrived, but that one suspect began to point his gun at the customer, who then fired shots. The second robber fled and is being sought by authorities.
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My new AR-15 I just built last week ...way too much fun to shoot to put in words.
Built this as a Christmas present for myself.
awesome weapon, I love it
learned how to shoot not too long ago and I am love with the AR-15
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Where did bench go he hasnt posted in a long time is he still alive? He would be all over this thread.
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Where did bench go he hasnt posted in a long time is he still alive? He would be all over this thread.
Bench hasn't posted since the Bin Laden raid.
Good dude.
Bench, I mean.
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Bench hasn't posted since the Bin Laden raid.
Good dude.
Bench, I mean.
x2, after the Bin Laden thing he needs to lay down a bit, he will be back probably after he shot the Iranian dude.
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Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens (New Cato study, FReeper author)
The Cato Institute ^ | February 2, 2012 | Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett
Posted on February 2, 2012 8:56:56 PM EST by FreedomPoster
The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. The restriction of access to firearms will make criminals unable to use guns to shoot people. Gun control laws will also reduce the number of accidental shootings. Those are the desired effects, at least in theory. It is important, however, for conscientious policymakers to consider not only the stated goals of gun control regulations, but the actual results that they produce.
What would be the effect of depriving ordinary, law-abiding citizens from keeping arms for self-defense? One result seems certain: the law-abiding would be at a distinct disadvantage should criminals acquire guns from underground markets. After all, it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where they are urgently needed.
Outside of criminology circles, relatively few people can reasonably estimate how often people use guns to fend off criminal attacks. If policymakers are truly interested in harm reduction, they should pause to consider how many crimes — murders, rapes, assaults, robberies — are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns. The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year.
This paper uses a collection of news reports of self-defense with guns over an eight-year period to survey the circumstances and outcomes of defensive gun uses in America.
Federal and state lawmakers often oppose repealing or amending laws governing the ownership or carrying of guns. That opposition is typically based on assumptions that the average citizen is incapable of successfully employing a gun in self-defense or that possession of a gun in public will tempt people to violence in "road rage" or other contentious situations. Those assumptions are false. The vast majority of gun owners are ethical and competent. That means tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns.
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Wow. What a surprise. Getbig's simpleton bumps a thread... ::)
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Wow. What a surprise. Getbig's simpleton bumps a thread... ::)
Yeah, too bad it's the thug savage anima element getting taken out by law abiding citizens sick of dealing w the apes and baboons of society who can't live like civilized people.
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Yeah, too bad it's the thug savage anima element getting taken out by law abiding citizens sick of dealing w the apes and baboons of society who can't live like civilized people.
See, here's the deal, idiot. 'Anima,' is a Jungian psychological archetype. You are a farking retread, with too many miles on the road. ::)
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See, here's the deal, idiot. 'Anima,' is a Jungian psychological archetype. You are a farking retread, with too many miles on the road. ::)
I live in the Bronx NY. I know the animals ghetto thug beasts beyond most. Society would be way better off if we could get rid of most of these worthless slugs.
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I live in the Bronx NY. I know the animals ghetto thug beasts beyond most. Society would be way better off if we could get rid of most of these worthless slugs.
From where I live, we would be better off without you swarthy scum. ::)
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From where I live, we would be better off without you swarthy scum. ::)
I have never done , sold, or committed acts of violence for drugs. I have never been arrested or convicted of a crime, I have never taken a penny of welfare, UE, etc.
I am not the problem.
The ghetto criminal savage animal element is the problem.
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I have never done , sold, or committed acts of violence for drugs. I have never been arrested or convicted of a crime, I have never taken a penny of welfare, UE, etc.
I am not the problem.
The ghetto criminal savage animal element is the problem.
You're an I-tay, right? You're scum, so fuck off. Thieving piece of shit.All I'Tays are thieves. American immigration policies were/have been so garnered against you, and Asians. ::)
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You're an I-tay, right? You're scum, so fuck off. Thieving piece of shit.All I'Tays are thieves. American immigration policies were/have been so garnered against you, and Asians. ::)
LOL. Those closest to the thugs are often the most against them.
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LOL. Those closest to the thugs are often the most against them.
Hmm. That almost makes sense. Maybe another generation will see it right?
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Hmm. That almost makes sense. Maybe another generation will see it right?
Bernie Goetz is my hero as is Dirty Harry, Taxi Driver, Michael Douglas in Falling Down, etc.
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Bernie Goetz is my hero as is Dirty Harry, Taxi Driver, Michael Douglas in Falling Down, etc.
Ah. Vengeful psychopaths. Mostly fictitious characters. Gotcha. ::)
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Ah. Vengeful psychopaths. Mostly fictitious characters. Gotcha. ::)
Taking out the thugs.
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Taking out the thugs.
You don't get it, do you? When the GOP do the the political D&C, they will be first scraping you and your kind, not me, nor mine.
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Hawkins as a younger man.
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NEW INFO: Intruders Killed In Foiled Burglary Identified
WITN - Jacksonville, NC ^ | Mon 7:56 PM, Apr 16, 2012 | WITN
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Police say they are still investigating a deadly burglary where the two intruders were killed early Sunday morning.
It happened around 1:55 a.m. Sunday at a home on Country Club Drive in Jacksonville. Police say according to the victims, as the three residents entered the house they were attacked by two people who were inside.
Police say Diego Everette and Maurice Skinner, both 33 years old and from Jacksonville, were killed.
They say the three people who live at the house, two who are Camp Lejeune Marines, were all treated and released from Onslow Memorial Hospital.
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2 more obama voters dead!
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NEW INFO: Intruders Killed In Foiled Burglary Identified
WITN - Jacksonville, NC ^ | Mon 7:56 PM, Apr 16, 2012 | WITN
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Police say they are still investigating a deadly burglary where the two intruders were killed early Sunday morning.
It happened around 1:55 a.m. Sunday at a home on Country Club Drive in Jacksonville. Police say according to the victims, as the three residents entered the house they were attacked by two people who were inside.
Police say Diego Everette and Maurice Skinner, both 33 years old and from Jacksonville, were killed.
They say the three people who live at the house, two who are Camp Lejeune Marines, were all treated and released from Onslow Memorial Hospital.
(Excerpt) Read more at witn.com ...
2 more obama voters dead!
Always happy to see GOOD triumph!!
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NEW INFO: Intruders Killed In Foiled Burglary Identified
WITN - Jacksonville, NC ^ | Mon 7:56 PM, Apr 16, 2012 | WITN
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Police say they are still investigating a deadly burglary where the two intruders were killed early Sunday morning.
It happened around 1:55 a.m. Sunday at a home on Country Club Drive in Jacksonville. Police say according to the victims, as the three residents entered the house they were attacked by two people who were inside.
Police say Diego Everette and Maurice Skinner, both 33 years old and from Jacksonville, were killed.
They say the three people who live at the house, two who are Camp Lejeune Marines, were all treated and released from Onslow Memorial Hospital.
(Excerpt) Read more at witn.com ...
2 more obama voters dead!
Good stuff
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New ones since last months newsletter:
https://fox4kc.com/2018/11/29/family-of-intruder-killed-by-leavenworth-woman-say-theyre-not-angry-at-her/
https://www.apnews.com/c84c1f16fb414aac990bf71670099070
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-woman-headed-for-church-shoots-kills-home-intruder
https://ktul.com/news/local/tpd-homeowner-shoots-kills-intruder-in-south-tulsa
https://www.wltx.com/article/news/local/man-dressed-as-woman-tried-to-rob-columbia-store-gunfight-ensued-with-clerk-police-say/101-617352498
https://www.kxly.com/news/hillyard-store-owner-pulls-gun-on-armed-robber/862935192
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It's, it's just like Chumming the water for Medford. ::)