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Let's face it...most hardcore, ardent Ron Paul fans are assholes.
Not all (Bindare, Hugo, Loco - all pretty decent), but most.
RP and Huntsman are the best two up there, IMO.
But remember, if Ron Paul wins...
It's not because of...
It's in spite of you goddamn annoying assholes.
And that would be one hell of an accomplishment!
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What are most Ron Paul fans doing that is holding back his campaign?
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Skip - any names in particular on this?
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Skip - any names in particular on this?
Read his post... He said who he's not talking about... Which my guess is who you are looking to be named.
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Skip - any names in particular on this?
you bitch
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Let's face it...most hardcore, ardent Ron Paul fans are assholes.
Not all (Bindare, Hugo, Loco - all pretty decent), but most.
RP and Huntsman are the best two up there, IMO.
But remember, if Ron Paul wins...
It's not because of...
It's in spite of you goddamn annoying assholes.
And that would be one hell of an accomplishment!
True. His most hardcore fans aren't really any different from the Obama drones and are definitely just as off-putting.
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True. His most hardcore fans aren't really any different from the Obama drones and are definitely just as off-putting.
Not in my opinion. I think his fans are just about as sensible as they come in our current state. Obama supporter or Newt.
All of these fucks are playing politics. And the idiots who rather the double talk for election purposes are fucknuts in my book as well
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Not in my opinion. I think his fans are just about as sensible as they come in our current state. Obama supporter or Newt.
All of these fucks are playing politics. And the idiots who rather the double talk for election purposes are fucknuts in my book as well
Obama supporters are sensible? Ha ha ha. U6 at 18% and most of those jerk-offs are practically cumming in their pants over 100k jobs added. They're anything BUT sensible.
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Let's face it...most hardcore, ardent Ron Paul fans are assholes.
Not all (Bindare, Hugo, Loco - all pretty decent), but most.
RP and Huntsman are the best two up there, IMO.
But remember, if Ron Paul wins...
It's not because of...
It's in spite of you goddamn annoying assholes.
And that would be one hell of an accomplishment!
I think if you saw more fair treatment from the establishment people wouldnt be as annoying to some. The attitude of the establishment is the fuel taht feeds the people you are having problems with.
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Yes.
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Yes.
arn't you in timeout from talking about Paul? Go sit in your corner and we'll let you know when it's ok to come out.
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arn't you in timeout from talking about Paul? Go sit in your corner and we'll let you know when it's ok to come out.
:)
But remember, if Ron Paul wins...
It's not because of...
It's in spite of you goddamn annoying assholes.
And that would be one hell of an accomplishment!
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:)
I think you're in love with Skip.
Let's face it...most hardcore, ardent Ron Paul fans are assholes.
Not all (Bindare, Hugo, Loco - all pretty decent), but most.
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True. His most hardcore fans aren't really any different from the Obama drones and are definitely just as off-putting.
EXACTLY!!!
I was attacked by 2 Paultards at work today - unsurprisingly neither seemed to know shit about RP's voting record.
And for the record:
He is not perfect.
He is not 100% consistent.
And he is not the next Messiah.
Fucking drones.
Oh, and I don't care how he's affiliated himself, IMO, he's no Republican.
Nor is he a "True Republican". ::) This is usually the same douchebags who don't know the history of the Republican Party and just start spitting shit out and cherry picking past aspects of the party. Refer to my asshole comment above... :D
His views are most aligned with Libertarians and he's Republican because he's smart. Republicans have the money and infrastructure to get people elected on the Federal level.
BTW, hope everyone is having a good Christmas season despite my RAGE. :D
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I think you're in love with Skip.
True. His most hardcore fans aren't really any different from the Obama drones and are definitely just as off-putting.
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LOL Skip. I was planning a big FU on XMas to the obamabots on this board, bit o guess that ballon is deflated. LOL.
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Funny because BF already admitted on the board that Obama's hardcore fans were way worse than RP fans...
Enjoy asswipe ;)
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Can anyone find me clips of Paul Support like this shit?
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That first clip is nuts!!!
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That first clip is nuts!!!
The second clip is totally wtf.
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The second clip is totally wtf.
Have. Seen that before and mocked it many many times. Reminds me of lean on me. Wish I could find these fools now and laugh at them.
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Also you have to understand that Paul's message was ignored and mocked by the MSM for a long time. Yes this made his supporters get more agressive in trying to get the message out and defend the message. If there had been a more honest coverage and debate about Paul and his ideas i don't think you would have some of his followers being nearly as aggressive as they are. When you actually start talking with these people rather than ignoring them or denouncing them you find out real fast they're pretty normal.
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Have. Seen that before and mocked it many many times. Reminds me of lean on me. Wish I could find these fools now and laugh at them.
I'm fairly certain 240 is leading one of those groups of children.
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I'm fairly certain 240 is leading one of those groups of children.
Ok. Now my side hurts from the laughter.
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Obama supporters are sensible? Ha ha ha. U6 at 18% and most of those jerk-offs are practically cumming in their pants over 100k jobs added. They're anything BUT sensible.
Slow down son. Relax. And read what im saying. Obama supporters and newt supporters are the idiots. And another vote will be a vote for a regular double talking politician. But RON PAUL supporters are the sensible ones as they are more objective and vote for a straight talker who might say something that would hurt some of the far rights feelings, but is right to him.
Get it. Should I say it one more time? Not voting for Obama. Voting for ron Paul. But I'm. It going to be a fag about and critique and blame him for everything under the sun . Please kid, tell me you understand . You're a smart kid. I have faith in you.
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EXACTLY!!!
I was attacked by 2 Paultards at work today - unsurprisingly neither seemed to know shit about RP's voting record.
And for the record:
He is not perfect.
He is not 100% consistent.
And he is not the next Messiah.
Fucking drones.
Oh, and I don't care how he's affiliated himself, IMO, he's no Republican.
Nor is he a "True Republican". ::) This is usually the same douchebags who don't know the history of the Republican Party and just start spitting shit out and cherry picking past aspects of the party. Refer to my asshole comment above... :D
His views are most aligned with Libertarians and he's Republican because he's smart. Republicans have the money and infrastructure to get people elected on the Federal level.
BTW, hope everyone is having a good Christmas season despite my RAGE. :D
MERRY F'N CHRISTMAS to you too man.
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EXACTLY!!!
I was attacked by 2 Paultards at work today - unsurprisingly neither seemed to know shit about RP's voting record.
And for the record:
He is not perfect.
He is not 100% consistent.
And he is not the next Messiah.
Fucking drones.
Oh, and I don't care how he's affiliated himself, IMO, he's no Republican.
Nor is he a "True Republican". ::) This is usually the same douchebags who don't know the history of the Republican Party and just start spitting shit out and cherry picking past aspects of the party. Refer to my asshole comment above... :D
His views are most aligned with Libertarians and he's Republican because he's smart. Republicans have the money and infrastructure to get people elected on the Federal level.
BTW, hope everyone is having a good Christmas season despite my RAGE. :D
That's fucking crazy... I don't know any paul supporters that act like he's the messiah ::) And a great many paul supporters are willing to acknowledge there are things they don't like about Ron Paul but the things they do like are important enough that they overweigh the faults... I think you have the average Paul supporter totally misunderstood.
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If I had to sit at a table for 5 minutes with a person
1) excusing newt's marriages while saying newt is a better fmaily man than obama
2) excusing newt's global warming because "that was just for a commercial"
3) excusing newt's fannie mae because "he wasn't technically lobbying, he used a loophole, smart guy!"
4) excusing newt's getting voted out of congress because "90% of repubs were just jealous of his success"
5) excusing newt's trashing Paul Ryan as "newt was just misquoted all those times..."
if I had to listen to a person lie to my face like that, i'd probably want to smash their face.
People that support RPaul have to defend a LOT less bullshit from paul.
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;)
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LOL, is that Santorum in the first pic?
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LOL, is that Santorum in the first pic?
Yeah
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He must have read your thread Skip. :)
He's right.
Radio Host Clovis: Paul Victory Could Tarnish Iowa
Thursday, 22 Dec 2011
By Martin Gould
A Ron Paul victory in the Iowa caucuses would be bad for the state and could even cost it its first in the nation status, influential radio host Sam Clovis tells Newsmax.
“I am not sure that that is in the best interests of the state, or our caucus system or us being first because I don’t think he is going to get any traction the rest of the way,” said Clovis, a college professor who hosts the popular conservative talk show “Impact with Sam Clovis” on Sioux City’s KSCJ radio.
“He has a very select group of people that follow him and I just don’t think he is going to attract anywhere close to even a plurality at any point along the way.”
Clovis was talking as polls continue to put the 76-year-old Texan ahead with less than two weeks to go before the Jan. 3 caucus night, but before the latest storm about racist newsletters sent out in Paul’s name blew up.
“A Ron Paul win is quite possible,” he said. “He has a good infrastructure here in the state, his followers are zealots and he attracts an interesting group. I heard Karl Rove say that he’s a person with a high floor but a low ceiling.
“Whatever he gets out of here is probably the best he’s going to do in any primary or caucus the rest of the way because he does have a lot of strong followers out here and they recognize the importance of a good showing, so they’re going to do everything they can to make sure that they puff up those numbers on caucus night.”
Clovis said he felt the wrath of Paul’s followers after posting an article on his website on the day after the most recent debate in the state, in which Paul said the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon was being “trumped up.”
“I essentially said that he had disqualified himself based on his world view,” said Clovis. “I cannot tell you the fecal storm that erupted on my Facebook page and on my website based on me making that comment.
“I live out here in a small town and I get two or three comments a day on my web posts, but I got two or three hundred comments from Ron Paul supporters that sometimes were not very respectful.”
Clovis said he believes four candidates are going to be “clustered” in the caucuses: Paul, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
“We’re going to see at least four candidates in double digits. You are not going to see any one candidate over 30 percent. So no-one will be able to declare a pound-your-chest victory in this issue because getting 25 percent in a field of seven is not going to be what I would call a rabid endorsement.”
Clovis has endorsed Santorum, who, he said, “is going to get enough votes to be part of the conversation leaving Iowa. He is a longer shot than the other three but I wouldn’t say he couldn’t win because it is really fluid out here.”
Of the other candidates, he said that Michele Bachmann will probably not survive to go on to New Hampshire, Rick Perry will do badly but will have the money to limp on and may improve in South Carolina and Florida and Jon Huntsman “ought to be fighting President Obama in the Democratic primary.”
Clovis echoed what other Iowa radio hosts have told Newsmax, saying that the race is still wide open going into the final few days. He said as many as one-in-eight won’t make their mind up until they are in the caucus hall. Around 30 percent will pick their candidate in the few days remaining.
“Contrary to what the media says, most Republicans consider this to be a pretty strong field and there are a lot of choices, so people are picking and choosing,” he said. “Everyone wants to see Ronald Reagan on stage and I keep telling people Ronald Reagan is not in this pack, get over it, and start to think about who you want to be the president.”
Clovis described the Iowa caucuses as “not as important as a lot of people in Iowa would like, but more than a lot of other people elsewhere think.
“It’s is an important first step, it is the first part of the vetting because we do a lot of retail politics out here in Iowa. People don’t get to pay a lot of attention to that until they see them in their own primaries and they don’t realize all the work that has been done ahead of time.
“After New Hampshire and by the time they get to South Carolina, they are really good candidates – they’re polished and their stump speeches are good and specific. We hammer them out here.”
When it gets down to the general election, Clovis believes any of the Republicans – even Paul – can beat President Obama, and as for the idea of someone such as New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels or former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush getting in the race, he said it is possible but it would be difficult.
“Mitt and Newt and Paul and Santorum are going to come out of Iowa with a little bit of momentum and it would be hard to get another nose in there.”
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-iowa-romney-gingrich/2011/12/22/id/421939
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LOLZERs at all the ron paul hating.
A month ago, yall were defending "We need a leader, not a reader!" Cain who bragged about being ignorant on foreign policy.
Now you're worried about the INTEGRITY of the national voting system because a guy who doesn't suck corporate cock might win.
pathetic, but funny too! :D
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He must have read your thread Skip. :)
He's right.
Radio Host Clovis: Paul Victory Could Tarnish Iowa
Thursday, 22 Dec 2011
By Martin Gould
A Ron Paul victory in the Iowa caucuses would be bad for the state and could even cost it its first in the nation status, influential radio host Sam Clovis tells Newsmax.
“I am not sure that that is in the best interests of the state, or our caucus system or us being first because I don’t think he is going to get any traction the rest of the way,” said Clovis, a college professor who hosts the popular conservative talk show “Impact with Sam Clovis” on Sioux City’s KSCJ radio.
“He has a very select group of people that follow him and I just don’t think he is going to attract anywhere close to even a plurality at any point along the way.”
Clovis was talking as polls continue to put the 76-year-old Texan ahead with less than two weeks to go before the Jan. 3 caucus night, but before the latest storm about racist newsletters sent out in Paul’s name blew up.
“A Ron Paul win is quite possible,” he said. “He has a good infrastructure here in the state, his followers are zealots and he attracts an interesting group. I heard Karl Rove say that he’s a person with a high floor but a low ceiling.
“Whatever he gets out of here is probably the best he’s going to do in any primary or caucus the rest of the way because he does have a lot of strong followers out here and they recognize the importance of a good showing, so they’re going to do everything they can to make sure that they puff up those numbers on caucus night.”
Clovis said he felt the wrath of Paul’s followers after posting an article on his website on the day after the most recent debate in the state, in which Paul said the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon was being “trumped up.”
“I essentially said that he had disqualified himself based on his world view,” said Clovis. “I cannot tell you the fecal storm that erupted on my Facebook page and on my website based on me making that comment.
“I live out here in a small town and I get two or three comments a day on my web posts, but I got two or three hundred comments from Ron Paul supporters that sometimes were not very respectful.”
Clovis said he believes four candidates are going to be “clustered” in the caucuses: Paul, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
“We’re going to see at least four candidates in double digits. You are not going to see any one candidate over 30 percent. So no-one will be able to declare a pound-your-chest victory in this issue because getting 25 percent in a field of seven is not going to be what I would call a rabid endorsement.”
Clovis has endorsed Santorum, who, he said, “is going to get enough votes to be part of the conversation leaving Iowa. He is a longer shot than the other three but I wouldn’t say he couldn’t win because it is really fluid out here.”
Of the other candidates, he said that Michele Bachmann will probably not survive to go on to New Hampshire, Rick Perry will do badly but will have the money to limp on and may improve in South Carolina and Florida and Jon Huntsman “ought to be fighting President Obama in the Democratic primary.”
Clovis echoed what other Iowa radio hosts have told Newsmax, saying that the race is still wide open going into the final few days. He said as many as one-in-eight won’t make their mind up until they are in the caucus hall. Around 30 percent will pick their candidate in the few days remaining.
“Contrary to what the media says, most Republicans consider this to be a pretty strong field and there are a lot of choices, so people are picking and choosing,” he said. “Everyone wants to see Ronald Reagan on stage and I keep telling people Ronald Reagan is not in this pack, get over it, and start to think about who you want to be the president.”
Clovis described the Iowa caucuses as “not as important as a lot of people in Iowa would like, but more than a lot of other people elsewhere think.
“It’s is an important first step, it is the first part of the vetting because we do a lot of retail politics out here in Iowa. People don’t get to pay a lot of attention to that until they see them in their own primaries and they don’t realize all the work that has been done ahead of time.
“After New Hampshire and by the time they get to South Carolina, they are really good candidates – they’re polished and their stump speeches are good and specific. We hammer them out here.”
When it gets down to the general election, Clovis believes any of the Republicans – even Paul – can beat President Obama, and as for the idea of someone such as New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels or former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush getting in the race, he said it is possible but it would be difficult.
“Mitt and Newt and Paul and Santorum are going to come out of Iowa with a little bit of momentum and it would be hard to get another nose in there.”
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-iowa-romney-gingrich/2011/12/22/id/421939
Sounds clueless. He wonders why he would get such a response but look what he said and he has the balls to call other people disrespectfull? ::)
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Sounds clueless. He wonders why he would get such a response but look what he said and he has the balls to call other people disrespectfull? ::)
Except he's right. A lot of Ron Paul fans are zealots. They flood online polls. They pack events and distort the outcome of various straw polls. They flood telephone polls. They are nothing if not efficient.
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Except he's right. A lot of Ron Paul fans are zealots. They flood online polls. They pack events and distort the outcome of various straw polls. They flood telephone polls. They are nothing if not efficient.
go surfing with a leaking sack of blood. thanks.
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go surfing with a leaking sack of blood. thanks.
lol
his followers are zealots
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beach bum,
that kind of rabid fan base sounds familiar. It sounds a lot like the zealots that got obama elected. when you have the young generation willing to crawl thru glass to get you elected - and they own the online world - that candidate wins.
I don't understand why repubs continually shit on a candidate who would completely undermine the youth vote with obama, who would own the internet, who would pack every event and scream at the top of their lungs, who would get tattoos for their candidate, who have been wearing that candidate's t-shirts for 6 years.
IMO, that kind of zealot is EXACTLY what you want - if you want to defeat obama in 2012. you don't fight insanity with logic - you fight it with a stronger brand of insanity. Obama-mania won't be conquered with lukewarm Mitt supporters or unsure Newt defenders. No, RP's people will be on the ATTACK - you can bet on that.
Except he's right. A lot of Ron Paul fans are zealots. They flood online polls. They pack events and distort the outcome of various straw polls. They flood telephone polls. They are nothing if not efficient.
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beach bum,
that kind of rabid fan base sounds familiar. It sounds a lot like the zealots that got obama elected. when you have the young generation willing to crawl thru glass to get you elected - and they own the online world - that candidate wins.
I don't understand why repubs continually shit on a candidate who would completely undermine the youth vote with obama, who would own the internet, who would pack every event and scream at the top of their lungs, who would get tattoos for their candidate, who have been wearing that candidate's t-shirts for 6 years.
IMO, that kind of zealot is EXACTLY what you want - if you want to defeat obama in 2012. you don't fight insanity with logic - you fight it with a stronger brand of insanity. Obama-mania won't be conquered with lukewarm Mitt supporters or unsure Newt defenders. No, RP's people will be on the ATTACK - you can bet on that.
Zealots did not elect Obama. Independents and Republicans did.
Ron Paul's zealot fan base is a loud but extremely small group. They're not going to win any election. They're not going to win the Republican primary. They didn't do squat in 2008. They'll do nothing outside of Iowa in 2012.
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I disagree. I think zealots did elect obama. I think 'obama mania' is what got him into office. Everyone caught the craze and wanted to be a part of it. he was the cool kid and he wanted to be your friend. maybe they weren't as intense as RP's are...
But you've hated ron paul for 6 years now. so I don't expect you to endorse him now, and I respect your consistency on the issue.
Nobody in their right mind believed he would be LEADING in Iowa. That boggles the mind. He should be in 6th and he's in 1st. That is insanity.
So at this point, I couldn't say "He'll do nothing outside of Iowa". Whatever formula he has for locking down 22 or 25% or 30% in Iowa... it's a damn good formula. Winning Iowa will give him more credibility - it worked for huck in 2008. He went from being former fat guy hocking education reform book on Imus' show on MSNBC to a solid #3 in the race. And Huck had chuck norris - Ron Paul has literally millions of zealots.
Underestimating him is probably the best way you can help him get elected, BB. If you said "Ron Paul is a legit threat to win the nomination, and he will get shredded by obama, so I think we should votet Mitt" - THEN You might get a little support. Ignoring while bashing while saying he's a non-factor... not too convincing ;)
Bottom line: There's no need to bash a non-factor nonstop.... You know he's a factor ;)
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I knew Obama was going to a catastrophe from day 1.
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I disagree. I think zealots did elect obama. I think 'obama mania' is what got him into office. Everyone caught the craze and wanted to be a part of it. he was the cool kid and he wanted to be your friend. maybe they weren't as intense as RP's are...
But you've hated ron paul for 6 years now. so I don't expect you to endorse him now, and I respect your consistency on the issue.
Nobody in their right mind believed he would be LEADING in Iowa. That boggles the mind. He should be in 6th and he's in 1st. That is insanity.
So at this point, I couldn't say "He'll do nothing outside of Iowa". Whatever formula he has for locking down 22 or 25% or 30% in Iowa... it's a damn good formula. Winning Iowa will give him more credibility - it worked for huck in 2008. He went from being former fat guy hocking education reform book on Imus' show on MSNBC to a solid #3 in the race. And Huck had chuck norris - Ron Paul has literally millions of zealots.
Underestimating him is probably the best way you can help him get elected, BB. If you said "Ron Paul is a legit threat to win the nomination, and he will get shredded by obama, so I think we should votet Mitt" - THEN You might get a little support. Ignoring while bashing while saying he's a non-factor... not too convincing ;)
Bottom line: There's no need to bash a non-factor nonstop.... You know he's a factor ;)
You are a lying nut, but you have the right to express whatever loony opinion you want. :)
The facts disagree with you (as usual). Anyone looking at the actual results on election day in 2008 knows what happened. And anyone who looks at the facts during this cycle, knows there isn't a snowball's chance that Ron Paul will win the nomination.
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I knew Obama was going to a catastrophe from day 1.
I was hoping he wouldn't be. I wanted him to succeed. But he has been an abject failure.
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BB, I think Mitt will win the overall nomination. Too much money and will outlast everyone. Weak field overall.
But I also believe RP will be a factor in 08. If he takes Iowa, it means Mitt gets bloodied and doesn't sweep. He's already a factor in that case.
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He'll be a factor if he wins Iowa just like Huck was a factor in 2008 after winning Iowa.
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He'll be a factor if he wins Iowa just like Huck was a factor in 2008 after winning Iowa.
I believe Ron Paul has more money than huck had.
Also much more rabid fan base.
Also much better ground game/GOTV effort.
Also ran WAY more commercials.
I coudl be wrong - let me know if I am. I dont wanna get my hopes up. But I do believe Ron Paul has tools that Huck just didn't have at his disposal.
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I doubt everything you say, so yeah, wrong. A "rabid fan base" doesn't win squat if it's a mile wide and an inch deep.
Ron Paul doesn't have the votes, party loyalty, or the money to win the nomination.
If by chance he wins Iowa, the 911, newsletter, Bradley Manning comments, extreme foreign policy views, etc., will overwhelm him.
In any event, Iowa is not an accurate predictor, as 2008 showed.
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hey, we disagree.
merry christmas man.
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lol
go surfing with a leaking sack of blood. thanks.
his followers are zealots
how does telling you that make me a zealot? I want to say that kind of shit to you on over 80 percent of what you say and most of it has nothing to do with Paul. That you're a douchebag and troll way to much for a mod doesn't make me a zealot, it makes you annoying...
Merry fucking christmas jerkoff.
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I doubt everything you say, so yeah, wrong. A "rabid fan base" doesn't win squat if it's a mile wide and an inch deep.
Ron Paul doesn't have the votes, party loyalty, or the money to win the nomination.
If by chance he wins Iowa, the 911, newsletter, Bradley Manning comments, extreme foreign policy views, etc., will overwhelm him.
In any event, Iowa is not an accurate predictor, as 2008 showed.
nobody has ever said Iowa means everything to the nomination but a win isn't meaningless like Paul haters will say it is if he wins. ::)
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Dick Morris: Ron Paul 'Terrifying', Romney's 'Apostasies'
Sunday, 25 Dec 2011
With Ron Paul surging in Iowa polls, Dick Morris, the Fox News analyst and Republican strategist, warns of horrific consequences for the GOP if he wins the GOP nomination.
In a column released on Dickmorris.com this weekend, Morris writes:
"Ron Paul remains terrifying. He is really the ultimate liberal in the race. He wants to legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion. On these issues, he’s way, way to the left of Obama. What makes him a conservative is hard to tell. But, whatever he is, he would be a disaster as the Republican candidate. His bland assertion in the last debate, that 'anyone' will beat Obama is both self-serving and inaccurate. He wouldn’t. Anyone who votes for Paul and is not brought up short by his denuding us in our defenses against terrorism and his passivity in the face of Iranian nuclear weapons, has to realize that nominating him is tantamount to re-electing Obama."
Morris notes that while Newt Gingrich leads as the favorite candidate among Tea Party Patriots polled, a splintering effect among more conservative candidates continues to help Romney.
The latest conservative-leaning candidate to see a surge is Rick Santorum, Morris says.
But Morris predicts that support for Romney will wane as a "buyer’s remorse may set in," especially as Republican primary voters realize they are backing the candidate who instituted Romneycare, a program similar to President Obama's healthcare plan. Also, conservatives will again focus on Romney's "apostasies" including his past support for abortion rights.
As conservatives realize a vote for any conservative other than Gingrich is a vote for Romney, Morris predicts a Gingrich come back.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-terrifying-apostasies/2011/12/25/id/422087
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You people who are supporting Ron Paul are only contributing to Obama's re-election. If he garners enough enthusiasm in the primary, he may decide to run as a third party candidate and will therefore give the election to Obama.
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Myth pushing for a vat tax is worse.
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You people who are supporting Ron Paul are only contributing to Obama's re-election. If he garners enough enthusiasm in the primary, he may decide to run as a third party candidate and will therefore give the election to Obama.
Bullshit. Just about everything in that article is bullshit as well and the mote lies people spread the stronger his campaign run gets.
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Let's face it...most hardcore, ardent Ron Paul fans are assholes.
Not all (Bindare, Hugo, Loco - all pretty decent), but most.
RP and Huntsman are the best two up there, IMO.
But remember, if Ron Paul wins...
It's not because of...
It's in spite of you goddamn annoying assholes.
And that would be one hell of an accomplishment!
Hardcore= extreme fans of either candidate or party, is never a good thing
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Legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion ?
Sounds good to me
Who is against this?
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Legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion ?
Sounds good to me
Who is against this?
Believe it or not, some people are.... :-X
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Legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion ?
Sounds good to me
Who is against this?
The majority of the country? Definitely not something rank and file Republicans support.
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The majority of the country? Definitely not something rank and file Republicans support.
what does 'rank and file' mean these days?
neocon, RINO (mitt), DC insider (newt) or libertarian (ron paul)?
I don't think there is a clear definition of rank/file follows anymore. Whoever Rush tells them - that week?
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Dick Morris: Ron Paul 'Terrifying', Romney's 'Apostasies'
Sunday, 25 Dec 2011
With Ron Paul surging in Iowa polls, Dick Morris, the Fox News analyst and Republican strategist, warns of horrific consequences for the GOP if he wins the GOP nomination.
In a column released on Dickmorris.com this weekend, Morris writes:
"Ron Paul remains terrifying. He is really the ultimate liberal in the race. He wants to legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion. On these issues, he’s way, way to the left of Obama. What makes him a conservative is hard to tell. But, whatever he is, he would be a disaster as the Republican candidate. His bland assertion in the last debate, that 'anyone' will beat Obama is both self-serving and inaccurate. He wouldn’t. Anyone who votes for Paul and is not brought up short by his denuding us in our defenses against terrorism and his passivity in the face of Iranian nuclear weapons, has to realize that nominating him is tantamount to re-electing Obama."
Morris notes that while Newt Gingrich leads as the favorite candidate among Tea Party Patriots polled, a splintering effect among more conservative candidates continues to help Romney.
The latest conservative-leaning candidate to see a surge is Rick Santorum, Morris says.
But Morris predicts that support for Romney will wane as a "buyer’s remorse may set in," especially as Republican primary voters realize they are backing the candidate who instituted Romneycare, a program similar to President Obama's healthcare plan. Also, conservatives will again focus on Romney's "apostasies" including his past support for abortion rights.
As conservatives realize a vote for any conservative other than Gingrich is a vote for Romney, Morris predicts a Gingrich come back.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-terrifying-apostasies/2011/12/25/id/422087
Veterans respond to Dickhead Morris.
http://cvrp2012.com/letters-to-dick/
Mr. Morris,
My name is Jesse. I am writing in response to your comments on the Sean Hannity show. I am a 25 yr old Marine Corps veteran. I enlisted when I was 17 and served from 2004-2008. While assigned to 3rd bn 4th mar I deployed to Iraq twice once to Fallujah and once to Al Quaim. I am now rated by the VA as 60% percent disabled and can no longer serve my country in a military capacity. So I choose to serve my community as a law enforcement officer instead. I have proven my patriotism through self-sacrifice and service and continue to do so daily. What have you done for your country lately (or ever) Mr Morris? I swore an oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. That is why I support Ron Paul. He is the only candidate that truly sticks to the Constitution. So Mr Morris please explain to me how participating in our countries election process and supporting with my vote the Constitution is somehow unpatriotic. I look forward to your response.
Sincerely,
Jesse
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Dear Dick,
I bled in the jungles of Vietnam while you hid safely at home. I find it deeply insulting that you would so carelessly say these words: “Ron Paul would weaken America so much that no true patriot could be for Ron Paul.” You have shown your true colors along with your ignorance.
And now, I have something to say to you, sir: I support Ron Paul and everything he stands for. I am a veteran. I love this country more than you can imagine. You, sir, are a scumbag and a liar.
-Sgt. Adam Thomas, Jr, Vietnam War Veteran, 101st Airborne Div, U.S. Army, 1967-1970.
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Mr. Dick,
Rarely in my life have I taken the time to write letters in response to pathetic, neoconservative, trolls, like yourself, who utter vitriolic lies to continue the livelihood of your brand of establishmentarianism. But in light of your recent claim that “No true patriot could be for Ron Paul,” I first saw red and then decided to let you know: (1) how wrong you are, (2) how right Ron Paul is, and (3) how pathetic and unpatriotic you are, draft-dodger!
Exactly why is it that a 10-year Army veteran, earning the rank of Sergeant First Class, who served on 3 deployments to Iraq, earned a Purple Heart, Bronze Star Medal, and numerous other decorations is not a patriot for supporting Dr. Ron Paul? My exemplary military service has only been ended because of the two failed back surgeries, brought on by a decade of infantry maneuvers and parachuting, that have left me disabled. I have no regrets from my actions in combat, other than wishing that I could have saved my comrades, and my support of Dr. Paul is not based out of those desires. I am honestly thankful for the opportunities that I have been given to engage in bloody warfare (oops, I’m speaking to the walls on this one since you wouldn’t fucking know anything about it, pussy!), and I believe that wars are at times necessary… just not necessary when they are produced out of the military-industrial complex’s grip on RINO’s who view the Constitution as an obstacle rather than law.
I, just like Dr. Paul, love this country and its Constitution. My patriotism is unwavering, just like Dr. Paul’s historic commitment to defend the Constitution and abide by its content. Many Paul supporters, particularly those who are in the military, hold the same patriotic values as I do and back the Champion of Liberty because of his patriotic, constitutional positions.
Neoconservatism might be your disgusting cup of tea, Mr. Dick, but your morbidly un-American attempt to dissuade true conservatives from supporting Dr. Paul needs to cease. You know very well how many of Dr. Paul’s supporters either have worn or are currently fucking wearing the uniforms of the services of the greatest nation on Earth. Your recent statement on Hannity’s establishment-based, evangelically-oriented, neoconservative, anti-Constitutional, anti-gentile talk show not only represented your disdain for true conservatives, but also served as a means of you taking a fat shit on all of those veterans who support Dr. Paul. Fuck you!
Mr. Dick, you have to realize that not all republicans and conservatives are selfish cocksuckers like you. Just because you are a plump and worthless “quasi-man” with an extremely annoying accent does not mean that you need to cling to the establishment and offend the sensitivities and values of real American patriots. Lots of “men” found their way out of the service (draft or not) during Vietnam, just not real men like my father (who wasn’t even a fucking citizen until the 90′s) or Dr. Paul. But it is dead fucking wrong for you to chastise so many who have served and discount their patriotism because you: desire to increase the size and scope of government; establish a one world government; regulate social values; use taxes as weapons and control measures; reduce entrepreneurship and self-reliance; enhance welfare programs through pork spending; increase constituents’ dependency on the government; print fiat money; establish an empirical aristocracy that spans as far as possible; restrict personal and economic liberties; denounce humankind’s inalienable rights; create a more robust military-industrial complex; remove the balance of powers with an imperial presidential seat; grow the Federal Reserve; shit on justice; etc.
Mr. Dick, this message was as kind as I could possibly write it. I am honestly a very courteous and polite person. I am a devoted husband, a caring father, a responsible gun-owner, a friendly neighbor, a virtuous nondenominational believer, an avid fly-fisherman, an expert shooter, a fastidious college student with a 4.0, and a TRUE PATRIOT! I normally speak and write with dignity and poise, but I think that my selection of vocabulary used in this message was well chosen. Please apologize, Mr. Dick, not only is it the right thing to do, but you might gain a higher sense of self-realization and move up a step on Maslow’s hierarchy if you just move past your callous and pathetic current state of being. Take off the horse-blinders of neoconservatism, Zionism (and don’t try to label me as an anti-Semitic, I just fail to see where the Constitution authorizes the U.S. Congress and other areas of government to act as a surrogate for the legislation, governance, and feeding hand of Israel), pompousness, and hate because you might just learn a thing or two about how right Dr. Paul truly is.
Sincerely,
Cody P. Burke,
Hope Mills, NC
P.S. Where were you after you graduated Columbia in 1967? A quick look on open sources came up with no definitive answer to your absence in Vietnam.
Mr Morris:
I was made aware of your comments on the Sean Hannity program in which you stated (erroneously) that true patriots could not support Ron Paul. Well, this one does. Unlike you, I served in the military (E Troop, 2d Squadron/ 2d Armored Cavalry Regiment) and saw combat at the Battle of 73 Easting in Operation Desert Storm.
I support Ron Paul unequivocally and enthusiastically. Do you dare to question my patriotism, sir?
R. Matthew Lee
Texas
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Dick Morris,
You did not serve yet have the nerve to say what is patriotic? The fact that Ron gets more money from our soldiers that any other candidate would suggest that you claim most of our soldiers are not patriots.
Chickenhawk!!!!!
-Alan Richards
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Mr. Morris,
I caught your comment about how no true patriot could support Ron Paul. I’m a retired/disabled combat veteran of the War in Afghanistan, and a very patriotic American. I support Ron Paul for President. You’ve deeply insulted me and the cause for which I’ve dedicated so much of my life, so I have something to say to you: FUCK YOU sideways, you punk-ass little bitch pile of shit! Feel free to come get your ass kicked any time.
Sincerely,
Adam G. House
U.S. Army (retired)
UNCLASSIFIED
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Dick (Just about sums it up),
I served in the United States Marine Corps and am proud to see
Congressman Paul live up to his oath to the Constitution. I don’t
appreciate being called “unpatriotic” by someone who has never
volunteered to serve in our nation’s military. You had your chance to
serve, you did not.
So, kindly, Sir, it’s time for you and all your chickenhawk friends to step aside and let the real patriots take back our Constitutional Republic.
Jon Melendez, USMC
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Dear Dick,
As a combat veteran and Ron Paul supporter, I think you are a hypocrite and the last person who would know what patriotism is.
According to Thomas Jefferson dissent is the greatest form of patriotism and that is exactly what our vote for Ron Paul is. We no longer will support the status quo. What do you think about that Dick?
A compilation of videos I have collected from veterans over the last five months. As veterans we have a duty to the American people to let them know that we overwhelmingly support the candidate of peace and the champion of The Constitution. Please share. &feature=youtu.be
SGT Ryan Treat
US Army
OIF 1 Sadr City, Iraq
OIF 2 Al Najaf, Iraq
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Mr. Morris,
I am an active Coast Guardsman who has served for 5 years at sea. Every cutter I have served on has been unfit for sea, in other words we fought tooth and nail to stay afloat and not catch fire. I highly doubt you’ve been on a burning ship in the middle of the ocean, but trust me, it sucks. So after 5 years, I have suffered injuries that make me no longer fit for duty and I will be returning to civilian life soon. Being active duty I have seen politician after politician give empty speeches and downright lies to my shipmates and I. I am supporting Ron Paul because he’s NOT another empty suit and I fell your comment was a disgusting slap in the face to myself as well as every other member who HAS served. I urge you to apologize for your choice of words and think next time you might offend the vast majority of the military.
Jay
Doug Thomas says:
December 24, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Mr. Morris,
I find your opinions that come out of your ignorant,obese mouth on the Hannity program reprehensible.I am a Navy veteran of Operation Desert Shield/Storm and support Ron Paul for President.I rarely get upset with the useless talk of ignorant trolls as yourself,but when those who have NEVER served question the patriotism of those who did,Most assuredly you will get a response from me.
Ron Paul has also served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon,What have you done for this country as an act of patriotism?I would be willing to wager you could spend hours in cogitation thinking of this and trying to find one remote instance where you gave of yourself in a patriotic manner that did not serve your selfish agenda in some capacity.
Ignorant and selfish sloths such as yourself with careers in the media have nothing to contribute to our nation that will ever foster or perpetuate Americanism.Happy holidays,and have another cheeseburger you fat bastard.
DC3 Douglas Thomas,USN
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andrew gonzales says:
December 23, 2011 at 11:01 PM
I am an Iraq war veteran of the United States Marine Corps and I support Ron Paul. If this country worried more about its border and less about other countries borders we would be safer and return a lot money back to the economy. Not sure how that is unpatriotic. I guess to love america today your suppose to want more of our troops to risk their lives in foreign affairs while the country goes bankrupt, yeah that sounds way more patriotic.
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Thaddeus S. Kaczor, Jr. says:
December 23, 2011 at 10:26 PM
Mr. Morris:
Your statement on the ‘Bill O’Reilly’ show the other day that “Ron Paul would weaken America so much that no true patriot could be for Ron Paul.” was outrageous and insulting to the many brave and women currently serving in the armed forces. My son is currently an Army Infantryman serving in Kandahar, Afghanistan. He supports Ron Paul, as do many of his brothers and sisters, as evidenced y the Federal Election Commission reports on donations by both Active Duty and retired military personnel. TO make such an appalling and blanket statement disparages the intelligence, integrity and patriotism of some of the finest most upstanding men and women in America. I demand you issue an apology immediately, not only for the good of your somewhat diminished reputation, but also for the honor and integrity of the men and women in the armed forces who are fighting to maintain you ability to spew such ignorant and hateful words, even though they, and dare I say, most Americans disagree with them.
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Navy Seal Team Member NV1 says:
December 23, 2011 at 10:23 PM
I forgot to add that Ron Paul would strength this country more than any other candidate. You statement that he would weaken it such that no real Patriot would support him is complete wrong and misleading of the principles for which Ron Paul stands. I suggest that you learn about Paul’s platform and stance on protecting our country for you make a further ass of yourself (if that is possible).
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Navy Seal Team Member NV1 says:
December 23, 2011 at 10:09 PM
Ron Paul is more of a patriot than you or you friend who’s ass you kiss every time you are on the O’Rielly show. For some reason you think that a candidate needs to be a hawk to fit into your definition of a true American.
You need a reality check Mr. Moron. OReally is not a conservative patriot, he is a progressive neocon, as you are. That’s right a neocon. Just like Bush and Obama.
Ron Paul is the best Patriot that is running for office on either side of the fence. He is not only a Patriot, but he a Constitutionalist. Something that you seem to ignore in your warmongering rants that you do on Faux news.
Ron Paul is on par with Thomas Jefferson. He is one of those outstanding men that come along every so often that are TRUE Patriots and wants to help our nation get back to the Constitution.
Nowhere in Constitution does it suggest that we should be the policemen of the world, or should mind other countries’ affairs. Nor does it say that we should try to spread our democracy by bombing other countries.
It is also clear that all the people that lead our country need to lead by the principle of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Ever heard of those. If not, you can find a copy by typing “Constitution” and “Bill of Rights” into a Google search window. Bush and Obama along with the Patriot Act, now the NDAA and a few others have taken us further from the Constitution than any other Presidents have. We now appear to be living in a fascist police state with Obama as a dictator.
Wake your dump ass up and realize that our government is corrupt and bought by the banks. The banks and the Federal Reserve are the ones really running the country.
I for one am proud and thankful for Ron Paul to be our next President. Someone that will start turning around all the abuses made to our constitution and return our government back to its appropriate size. He will also deal with other countries as a friend and use diplomacy where need. He also stands for a strong national defense.
He is not an isolationist as many of you like to categorize him, he is a non interventionist. He wants to trade and be friends with our neighbors rather dropping bombs on their heads and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians.
Ron Paul is more of a Patriot than you could ever hope to be. And more than OReally could ever hope to be also.
I’m a veteran that believes in my oath to fight for the Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, and it seems like we have more domestic enemies these days. Our government has turned from the Constitution and does not respect the freedom and liberties of the American citizens. The government is corrupt and bought by banks and corporations through the use of lobbyists.
Ron Paul will change all this, and I am proud to be a supporter of Ron Paul. He is the best Patriot we’ve had run for President since Kennedy.
So watch who you call unpatriotic, you OReally ass kissing twit.
best regards.
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Anonymous says:
December 25, 2011 at 10:56 AM
It’s Christmas morning. My daughter and husband are safe at home. I am more than happy. I as many other Americans know how much we are to be thankful to the Sons and Daughters in and of America who have gone to serve in America’s Armed Forces. They are for me, my family, Heroes. the letters of veterans writting in speaking to the charster of Ron Paul speaks loud and clearas to who truly should be and lead America. I certainly agree with our Veterans. My husband served in Vietnam. As a young girl, I was volunteering and addressing the wounds of our American Military Veterans. I started to notice then how poorly their lives and service were NOT being respected as well their personal concerns were coming to the forefront. From that time of service to present our Sons and Daughters have given every ounce of patriotism that could be asked. They of course would know more than any politician what IS needed here in OUR Country today. The Military Industry and So called Political Traitors Leaders have done everything but serving OUR country and filled their back pockets with and from OUR public coffers. Our sons and daughters have and continue to Serve Honorably. The issue at heart IS NOT to go order our men and women abroad, to war for other countries, BUT to adress the gross incalcuable deficits of political ineptness that has brought down our once proud country that it is today. I willingly would trade every soldier to be in the place of those people now supposedly serving in the peoples best interest on the hill as well those loathsome generals robbing also the Pentagon Blind along with those political mafia serving the House, Senate and Congress. Our men in Uniform as these Robbers we can NO longer Trust! Our soldiers we can TRUST when they individually and collectively stand up and say Ron Paul IS the right man for Presidency! America NEEDS a real Honest Leader and Role Model for America. He IS a man who respects and honors OUR Constitution! This IS America’s need in serving real Law. I am so happy OUR Sons a d Daughters are stepping up and speaking to address the lawlessness of our leaders as well to those who have hijacked America. I pray that All who have destroyed our country and robbed our country WILL be brought to Justice by the Soldiers who have served America Honorably. I pray Our Sons and Daughters will take back our country and throw out the riff-raft now in seats they to not deserve to sit in, as well throw out the corrupt Corporations and the Federal Reserve and banking system stealing without letup the American peoples. Thank God OUR Sons and Daughters are home. With them and Ron Paul, we will for sure take back our Country and make sure the America we love will be returned to the People’s of America. God Bless Our Veterans and America. Please spread the word for America’s Veterans to really serve America NOW in America alongside Ron Paul! America NEEDS you more than any other Country. Help to clean up America and take back from the Traitors now in office as well from these Mafia Industries stealing from America and the American People’s. Merry Christmas America, let’s join with the real heroes and Take Back America For America and our American Children. America’s Interest must be For and By the People’s Here at home! America’s Rights and Voice’s Must be Validated NOW! Stand up America and join together as one. Let’s show OUR Children who America really belongs to! Welcome Home America’s Heroes and let’s starting to kick butt and place OUR Constitution as the law of the land rather than these Mafia Thugs now in so called office. God Bless you and God Bless America!
Mrs. Tatiana A. Kostanian
Human Rights Disabled Rights Advocate
Proud Wife of a Vietnam Veteran
1st Calvary Division
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Bill says:
December 23, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Dick (what an appropriate name),
As a veteran of the first Gulf War in Iraq, I find your comments about Ron Paul and his supporters to be more than just offensive… they are unamerican and unpatriotic… to say the least. Just because someone doesn’t agree with your view of the world they couldn’t possibly be a patriot? Or maybe you don’t really think that way, but rather you are PAID to think that way… could that be it??
I’ll tell you what…
If you think that these wars for profit are so admirable, why don’t you let us bring our troops home and you and your neo-con, piece of shit buddies go over there and do some fighting?
Oh yeah, I forgot. You’re all cowards.
I could go on and on, but judging from the rest of these letters, I think you’re starting to get the idea. You sir, are a waste of human flesh.
Bill
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Mo says:
December 23, 2011 at 8:57 PM
lmfao, i love these comments. Ron Paul 2012. Bring them home to defend the nation from these bureaucrats.
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Navy Vet's Daughter says:
December 23, 2011 at 8:54 PM
Please share this with friends and family who “like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy.” This 14-minute mini-documentary is an easy-to-understand introduction into “blowback” and the effect of U.S. interventionist foreign policy on our national security.
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What people trashing Ron Paul need to realize is that we don't trust the govt anymore on anything! Do I agree w everything he says? He'll No!!!
but if anyone thinks newt or Romney will be anything but Obama-lite , you guys are in for a major let down.
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You are a lying nut, but you have the right to express whatever loony opinion you want. :)
The facts disagree with you (as usual). Anyone looking at the actual results on election day in 2008 knows what happened. And anyone who looks at the facts during this cycle, knows there isn't a snowball's chance that Ron Paul will win the nomination.
I think you're dead-on with his hardcore base. A bunch of assholes, who often need to get their facts straight first...then defend the guy.
I would disagree about the 2008 comparison. Remember, last time his hardcore followers were attempting to buck the party, not follow the rules, and his campaign was no where near the caliber it is today. This time around, they're following party rules, getting his name down on time, running highly effective grass-roots campaign, strategically spending (my opinion from what I've looked at), and his doing well in the debates. It's like a completely different campaign, IMO.
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Legalize drugs, repeal the Patriot Act, slash our military spending, pull out of Afghanistan, and remove all limits on abortion ?
Sounds good to me
Who is against this?
Believe it or not, some people are.... :-X
Exhibit A
The typical retards who have no clue about RP on the issues. Sorry dumbfucks...but that's not his position on abortion.
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Exhibit A
The typical retards who have no clue about RP on the issues. Sorry dumbfucks...but that's not his position on abortion.
3 out of 5 aint bad. :D
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Mr. Morris,
What have you done for your country lately (or ever) Mr Morris?
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Dear Dick,
You, sir, are a scumbag and a liar.
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Mr. Dick,
Rarely in my life have I taken the time to write letters in response to pathetic, neoconservative, trolls, like yourself . . . I first saw red and then decided to let you know: how pathetic and unpatriotic you are, draft-dodger!
. . . I’m speaking to the walls on this one since you wouldn’t fucking know anything about it, pussy! . . . Fuck you!
Mr. Dick, you have to realize that not all republicans and conservatives are selfish cocksuckers like you. Just because you are a plump and worthless “quasi-man” with an extremely annoying accent does not mean that you need to cling to the establishment and offend the sensitivities and values of real American patriots. . . .
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Dick Morris,
Chickenhawk!!!!!
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Mr. Morris,
I have something to say to you: FUCK YOU sideways, you punk-ass little bitch pile of shit! Feel free to come get your ass kicked any time.
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Dick (Just about sums it up),
So, kindly, Sir, it’s time for you and all your chickenhawk friends to step aside and let the real patriots take back our Constitutional Republic.
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Dear Dick,
As a combat veteran and Ron Paul supporter, I think you are a hypocrite and the last person who would know what patriotism is.
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Mr. Morris,
I find your opinions that come out of your ignorant,obese mouth . . . I rarely get upset with the useless talk of ignorant trolls as yourself . . .
Ignorant and selfish sloths such as yourself . . . have another cheeseburger you fat bastard.
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So watch who you call unpatriotic, you OReally ass kissing twit.
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You sir, are a waste of human flesh.
Boy was this guy spot on:
He must have read your thread Skip. :)
He's right.
Radio Host Clovis: Paul Victory Could Tarnish Iowa
Thursday, 22 Dec 2011
By Martin Gould
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“A Ron Paul win is quite possible,” he said. “He has a good infrastructure here in the state, his followers are zealots and he attracts an interesting group. I heard Karl Rove say that he’s a person with a high floor but a low ceiling.
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Clovis said he felt the wrath of Paul’s followers after posting an article on his website on the day after the most recent debate in the state, in which Paul said the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon was being “trumped up.”
“I essentially said that he had disqualified himself based on his world view,” said Clovis. “I cannot tell you the fecal storm that erupted on my Facebook page and on my website based on me making that comment.
“I live out here in a small town and I get two or three comments a day on my web posts, but I got two or three hundred comments from Ron Paul supporters that sometimes were not very respectful.”
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http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-iowa-romney-gingrich/2011/12/22/id/421939
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I think you're dead-on with his hardcore base. A bunch of assholes, who often need to get their facts straight first...then defend the guy.
I would disagree about the 2008 comparison. Remember, last time his hardcore followers were attempting to buck the party, not follow the rules, and his campaign was no where near the caliber it is today. This time around, they're following party rules, getting his name down on time, running highly effective grass-roots campaign, strategically spending (my opinion from what I've looked at), and his doing well in the debates. It's like a completely different campaign, IMO.
I agree he is more organized this time around. The problem is he has not and cannot change who he is. He doesn't have what it takes to win the nomination. That includes the charisma, the message, the money, the party loyalty, and most importantly the money.
Look at his numbers outside of Iowa. He's not going to Win NH. He's way behind Newt and Romney in South Carolina, which is the most accurate predictor of the eventual nominee. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html
He's way behind Newt and Romney in Florida. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html
It's completely unrealistic to think he has any chance to be the nominee.
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Veterans respond to Dickhead Morris.
Good stuff!!
Our resident neocons won't be happy with this.
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I agree he is more organized this time around. The problem is he has not and cannot change who he is. He doesn't have what it takes to win the nomination. That includes the charisma, the message, the money, the party loyalty, and most importantly the money.
We will find out in a few days who got the $$$ last quarter, right? I think that's the date, jan 15?
Either way, perry will be down, cain will be out. Mitt, newt, and ron paul... I believe RP was 3rd in fundraising up to the Oct 15 deadline - Mitt and Perry were someting like 17 and 14 million, and paul was 3rd with 8 million?
Now this time - mitt will still be up there... Newt will have peaked but earned 2/3 of the time... then Paul, who knows? He was 3rd in fundraising BEFORE he climbed so far. Toss in a month more of being #1 in Iowa....
So your argument of "Ron Paul doesn't have the money" - I'm not sure that is true.
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I agree he is more organized this time around. The problem is he has not and cannot change who he is. He doesn't have what it takes to win the nomination. That includes the charisma, the message, the money, the party loyalty, and most importantly the money.
Look at his numbers outside of Iowa. He's not going to Win NH. He's way behind Newt and Romney in South Carolina, which is the most accurate predictor of the eventual nominee. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html
He's way behind Newt and Romney in Florida. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html
It's completely unrealistic to think he has any chance to be the nominee.
Yeah, I agree SC is the biggie at this point. I'm not willing to write him off though until I see the bump he gets from Iowa.
If he wins Iowa, places in the top three in NH...
I'm still thinking it's a maybe...but you make a good case.
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This guy better brace himself for some hate mail. lol
Falwell Group: Ron Paul Is Dangerous
Monday, 26 Dec 2011
The following is a column by Matt Barber, Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action, an organization supported by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell.
After the most recent GOP presidential debate, reasonable people can disagree as to who came out on top. It was abundantly clear, however, who was smothered beneath the pile.
As Ron Paul waxed naive from his perch in Sioux City, Iowa, on issues ranging from foreign policy to judicial activism, one could almost hear his campaign bus tires deflate. Although some polls indicate that Mr. Paul has surged in Iowa, most national polls suggest that, beyond a relatively fixed throng of blindly devoted “Paulbots,” support for the eccentric Texas lawmaker has a concrete ceiling.
Mr. Paul did himself no favors during the debate. Afterward, former Iowa House Speaker Christopher C. Rants blogged, “Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline.”
Putting aside for a moment Mr. Paul’s leftist policies on a variety of social issues ranging from his unwavering support for newfangled “gay rights” – to include open homosexuality in the military – to advocacy for across-the-board legalization of illicit drugs, Mr. Paul demonstrated that he has a dangerous, fundamental misunderstanding of the threat posed to every American citizen by radical Islam. This alone disqualifies him for serious consideration as our future Commander in Chief.
During the debate, moderator Bret Baier asked Mr. Paul: “Many Middle East experts now say Iran may be less than one year away from getting a nuclear weapon. … Even if you had solid intelligence that Iran was in fact going to get a nuclear weapon, President Paul would remove the U.S. sanctions on Iran - including those added by the Obama administration. So, to be clear, GOP nominee Paul would be running left of President Obama on Iran?”
Mr. Paul responded: “But I’d be running with the American people because it would be a much better policy.” (The only American people running with this policy risk running the rest of us off a cliff.)
He went on to reject a U.N. agency report that indicates Iran is within months of developing nuclear weaponry, calling it “war propaganda.” He then spouted the same anti-American talking points we’ve come to expect from the hard-left “progressive” establishment, blaming America for Iran’s efforts to go nuclear.
In defense of Islamic terrorists, not unlike those responsible for Sept. 11, Mr. Paul said, “Yeah, there are some radicals, but they don’t come here to kill us because we’re free and prosperous. … They come here and want to do us harm because we’re bombing them.
“I don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” he continued, all the while demonstrating to everyone watching that a President Paul would be unwilling to lift a finger to prevent it.
His pacifist ruminations prompted fellow presidential candidate Michele Bachmann to respond: “With all due respect to Ron Paul, I think I have never heard a more dangerous answer for American security than the one that we just heard from Ron Paul. … I’ll tell you the reason why, the reason why I would say that is because we know without a shadow of a doubt that Iran will take a nuclear weapon, they will use it to wipe our ally Israel off the face of the map, and they stated they will use it against the United States of America. Look no further than the Iranian constitution, which states unequivocally that their mission is to extend jihad across the world and eventually to set up a worldwide caliphate. We would be fools to ignore their purpose and their plan.”
Mr. Paul evidently is one of those fools. Iran is today’s version of Nazi Germany, and Mr. Paul’s obtuse strategy of reckless inaction affords him the dubious title of this generation’s Neville Chamberlain. Like Chamberlain’s fruitless appeasement, Mr. Paul’s similar strategy simply feeds the insatiable beast.
Don’t get me wrong. I personally like Ron Paul. He’s that affable - if not a little “zany” - uncle who has the whole family on edge at Thanksgiving. “Oh boy; what’s Uncle Ronny gonna say next?”
Still, you wouldn’t give Uncle Ronny the carving knife for the turkey, much less the keys to the Oval Office.
Mr. Paul is many things, but conservative is not one of them. He’s a died-in-the-wool libertarian. That’s one part conservative, two parts anarchist.
Ronald Reagan often spoke of a “three-legged stool” that undergirds true conservatism. The legs are represented by strong free-market economic principles, a strong national defense and strong social values. For the stool to remain upright, it must be supported by all three legs. If you snap off even one leg, the stool collapses under its own weight.
Mr. Paul is relatively conservative from an economic standpoint, but in true libertarian form, has snapped off the legs of national defense and social values.
The libertarian is a strange and rare little animal – a bit like the woolly flying squirrel. It spends its days erratically darting to-and-fro atop this teetering, one-legged stool in a futile effort to keep it from toppling. America witnessed Ron Paul doing this squirrelly libertarian tango Thursday night. Cute but unstable.
Ron Paul never had a chance; but now, with the possible exception of his most committed devotees, I suspect most people will finally admit it. Regardless of what happens in Iowa, the Paul engine has run out of steam. During the debate it pulled into the station and released its final wheeze right alongside the Cain Train.
Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating in constitutional law. He serves as Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/paul-falwell-iran-gay/2011/12/26/id/422121
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We will find out in a few days who got the $$$ last quarter, right? I think that's the date, jan 15?
Either way, perry will be down, cain will be out. Mitt, newt, and ron paul... I believe RP was 3rd in fundraising up to the Oct 15 deadline - Mitt and Perry were someting like 17 and 14 million, and paul was 3rd with 8 million?
Now this time - mitt will still be up there... Newt will have peaked but earned 2/3 of the time... then Paul, who knows? He was 3rd in fundraising BEFORE he climbed so far. Toss in a month more of being #1 in Iowa....
So your argument of "Ron Paul doesn't have the money" - I'm not sure that is true.
How high would Paul need to soar before he couldn't be discredited (where other candidates wouldn't be) anymore? ???
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Yeah, I agree SC is the biggie at this point. I'm not willing to write him off though until I see the bump he gets from Iowa.
If he wins Iowa, places in the top three in NH...
I'm still thinking it's a maybe...but you make a good case.
If he does as you say (wins Iowa and places in NH), maybe some of the big money will get behind him. I seriously doubt it, but I guess anything is possible.
Although, if he wins Iowa, the fringe/kooky stuff is going to engulf him IMO.
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This guy better brace himself for some hate mail. lol
Falwell Group: Ron Paul Is Dangerous
Monday, 26 Dec 2011
The following is a column by Matt Barber, Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action, an organization supported by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell.
After the most recent GOP presidential debate, reasonable people can disagree as to who came out on top. It was abundantly clear, however, who was smothered beneath the pile.
As Ron Paul waxed naive from his perch in Sioux City, Iowa, on issues ranging from foreign policy to judicial activism, one could almost hear his campaign bus tires deflate. Although some polls indicate that Mr. Paul has surged in Iowa, most national polls suggest that, beyond a relatively fixed throng of blindly devoted “Paulbots,” support for the eccentric Texas lawmaker has a concrete ceiling.
Mr. Paul did himself no favors during the debate. Afterward, former Iowa House Speaker Christopher C. Rants blogged, “Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline.”
Putting aside for a moment Mr. Paul’s leftist policies on a variety of social issues ranging from his unwavering support for newfangled “gay rights” – to include open homosexuality in the military – to advocacy for across-the-board legalization of illicit drugs, Mr. Paul demonstrated that he has a dangerous, fundamental misunderstanding of the threat posed to every American citizen by radical Islam. This alone disqualifies him for serious consideration as our future Commander in Chief.
During the debate, moderator Bret Baier asked Mr. Paul: “Many Middle East experts now say Iran may be less than one year away from getting a nuclear weapon. … Even if you had solid intelligence that Iran was in fact going to get a nuclear weapon, President Paul would remove the U.S. sanctions on Iran - including those added by the Obama administration. So, to be clear, GOP nominee Paul would be running left of President Obama on Iran?”
Mr. Paul responded: “But I’d be running with the American people because it would be a much better policy.” (The only American people running with this policy risk running the rest of us off a cliff.)
He went on to reject a U.N. agency report that indicates Iran is within months of developing nuclear weaponry, calling it “war propaganda.” He then spouted the same anti-American talking points we’ve come to expect from the hard-left “progressive” establishment, blaming America for Iran’s efforts to go nuclear.
In defense of Islamic terrorists, not unlike those responsible for Sept. 11, Mr. Paul said, “Yeah, there are some radicals, but they don’t come here to kill us because we’re free and prosperous. … They come here and want to do us harm because we’re bombing them.
“I don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” he continued, all the while demonstrating to everyone watching that a President Paul would be unwilling to lift a finger to prevent it.
His pacifist ruminations prompted fellow presidential candidate Michele Bachmann to respond: “With all due respect to Ron Paul, I think I have never heard a more dangerous answer for American security than the one that we just heard from Ron Paul. … I’ll tell you the reason why, the reason why I would say that is because we know without a shadow of a doubt that Iran will take a nuclear weapon, they will use it to wipe our ally Israel off the face of the map, and they stated they will use it against the United States of America. Look no further than the Iranian constitution, which states unequivocally that their mission is to extend jihad across the world and eventually to set up a worldwide caliphate. We would be fools to ignore their purpose and their plan.”
Mr. Paul evidently is one of those fools. Iran is today’s version of Nazi Germany, and Mr. Paul’s obtuse strategy of reckless inaction affords him the dubious title of this generation’s Neville Chamberlain. Like Chamberlain’s fruitless appeasement, Mr. Paul’s similar strategy simply feeds the insatiable beast.
Don’t get me wrong. I personally like Ron Paul. He’s that affable - if not a little “zany” - uncle who has the whole family on edge at Thanksgiving. “Oh boy; what’s Uncle Ronny gonna say next?”
Still, you wouldn’t give Uncle Ronny the carving knife for the turkey, much less the keys to the Oval Office.
Mr. Paul is many things, but conservative is not one of them. He’s a died-in-the-wool libertarian. That’s one part conservative, two parts anarchist.
Ronald Reagan often spoke of a “three-legged stool” that undergirds true conservatism. The legs are represented by strong free-market economic principles, a strong national defense and strong social values. For the stool to remain upright, it must be supported by all three legs. If you snap off even one leg, the stool collapses under its own weight.
Mr. Paul is relatively conservative from an economic standpoint, but in true libertarian form, has snapped off the legs of national defense and social values.
The libertarian is a strange and rare little animal – a bit like the woolly flying squirrel. It spends its days erratically darting to-and-fro atop this teetering, one-legged stool in a futile effort to keep it from toppling. America witnessed Ron Paul doing this squirrelly libertarian tango Thursday night. Cute but unstable.
Ron Paul never had a chance; but now, with the possible exception of his most committed devotees, I suspect most people will finally admit it. Regardless of what happens in Iowa, the Paul engine has run out of steam. During the debate it pulled into the station and released its final wheeze right alongside the Cain Train.
Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating in constitutional law. He serves as Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/paul-falwell-iran-gay/2011/12/26/id/422121
I stopped at Jerry Falwell.
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Me personally as of today:
Newt: Liar, Scammer Artist, approved of the individual mandate, sat w pelosi on the couch, supported sozzafaffa, attacked Ryan, etc.
Myth: List too long on his lies. He is a trojan horse and vehicle for disaster.
Perry - probably a little corrupt, generally not affable, but probably would do the right thing.
Santorum - good guy - but over his head against the marxists. No ground game.
Bachmann - Hell cat and vicious street fighter. Maybe not prez, but i want her on my side.
Hunts - I dont agree with him on everything - but he is not a lying snake and political pedo like Newt or Myth.
RP - winner by default and the only one seriously trying to shake up things w an army of supporters who would die for him and take it to the communist left like the others wont.
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Me as of today: ABO.
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RP - winner by default and the only one seriously trying to shake up
How any Republicans, and anti Obama voters can disagree with this is absolutely beyond me.
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It's going to come down to weather - I think huck said it.
If the sun is shining, the people who 'settled' for Mitt might come out and vote for him.
If it's shitty and cold and nasty on Jan 3 in Iowa, people who aren't enthusiastic anyway will stay home.
Ron Paul supporters would crawl thru a mile of glass to vote for him, particularly if they have hope he can win.
RP supporters have always liked his message, but always kinda knew he couldn't win. Now? They're already shitting on Iowa AND new hampshire as not mattering lol...
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It's going to come down to weather - I think huck said it.
If the sun is shining, the people who 'settled' for Mitt might come out and vote for him.
If it's shitty and cold and nasty on Jan 3 in Iowa, people who aren't enthusiastic anyway will stay home.
Ron Paul supporters would crawl thru a mile of glass to vote for him, particularly if they have hope he can win.
RP supporters have always liked his message, but always kinda knew he couldn't win. Now? They're already shitting on Iowa AND new hampshire as not mattering lol...
240 - dead serious no bs.
My cousin out of nowhere who voted for Clinton twice. She is a pretty lib type and a business owner. She sells womens bullshit fashion accessories just let it out. She is not too politcal and blurted out of nowhere yesterday - "I think obama is going to win unless ron paul wins, he is the only one I like"
My dad likes Huntsman and RP, and my mother will vote for who we tell her to in the primary usually.
He really is the best chance we have to get rid of obama, and even other friends of mine are talking about him.
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240 - dead serious no bs.
My cousin out of nowhere who voted for Clinton twice. She is a pretty lib type and a business owner. She sells womens bullshit fashion accessories just let it out. She is not too politcal and blurted out of nowhere yesterday - "I think obama is going to win unless ron paul wins, he is the only one I like"
My dad likes Huntsman and RP, and my mother will vote for who we tell her to in the primary usually.
He really is the best chance we have to get rid of obama, and even other friends of mine are talking about him.
I talk to a lot of people about politics and I haven't heard any of them speak of Ron Paul as a legitimate contender.
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youre right.
however, people who are 'rank and file' republicans - who brag about their loyalty to whomever Rush & Hannity assign value - will probably cost the repubs the presidency.
so really, if they end up with shit soup (4 more years of obama) it's because they made it themselves. Can't blame anyone - they actually have a ron paul in very viable shape. They have to decide if they want more of the same (newt and mitt) or if they want real change.
It's up to yall. Maybe it's time to discard that "but I'm a rank and file, loyal kinda guy who does what my talk show host recommends". Just a thought!
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I'm for RP in the primary and A B O in the general.
But i will tell you - if its newt or romney - i will not spend a week or two on my own dime like i did the last two elections. I will vote for A B O regardless.
I will volunteer my time for a week or so for RP, Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, or even Perry.
Newt and romney? fuck no. newt and romney are two sleezebags who are big govt RINO party thugs who will be more fo the same garbage.
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I'm for RP in the primary and A B O in the general.
But i will tell you - if its newt or romney - i will not spend a week or two on my own dime like i did the last two elections. I will vote for A B O regardless.
I will volunteer my time for a week or so for RP, Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, or even Perry.
Newt and romney? fuck no. newt and romney are two sleezebags who are big govt RINO party thugs who will be more fo the same garbage.
I'm not crazy at all about this field. I'd vote for any of them over Obama, but some of them should not be president, including Newt and Ron Paul.
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I'm not crazy at all about this field. I'd vote for any of them over Obama, but some of them should not be president, including Newt and Ron Paul.
just curious - what qualifies mitt as 'should be president', but disqualifies Newt?
They're very much alike. Both swing left whenever convenient, both are pretty good at lying. If anything, I'd probably argue Newt actually takes (multiple sometimes) positions while Mitt likes to "sit things out". Example: Mitt refused to comment on if he supports the senate or house in this budget mess, while newt would answer Qs
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just curious - what qualifies mitt as 'should be president', but disqualifies Newt?
They're very much alike. Both swing left whenever convenient, both are pretty good at lying. If anything, I'd probably argue Newt actually takes (multiple sometimes) positions while Mitt likes to "sit things out". Example: Mitt refused to comment on if he supports the senate or house in this budget mess, while newt would answer Qs
Myth is obama w good hair.
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I talk to a lot of people about politics and I haven't heard any of them speak of Ron Paul as a legitimate contender.
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hahah.....
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Myth is obama w good hair.
what do you think about self-proclaimed tea party members - who believe Mitt best supports those tea party ideals?
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what do you think about self-proclaimed tea party members - who believe Mitt best supports those tea party ideals?
In for a rude awakening. Mitt romney makes me sick to my stomach. He is a liar, a fraud, a rino, a hack, and will say anything to fool other people.
I will vote for him over obama - but Myth is going to be the second biggest scam on the voting public next to obama.
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hard to believe this is real
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hard to believe this is real
Kinda makes you wonder what happens to presidents once they reach office that makes them abandon their beliefs so much...
Bush.. Obama... etc...
Hopefully Paul would not allow himself to become like the others.. but you have to wonder what is so persuasive that they totally abandon their ideals and become the exact opposite of what they tout in their election speeches...
Or maybe they never believed that at all, they just know what to say to get elected.
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hard to believe this is real
He's not running. You can stop crying now.
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He's not running. You can stop crying now.
I think you kinda missed the point of posting that video.
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I think you kinda missed the point of posting that video.
I get the idea that this Skip fellow is kind of a dumb ass.
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I get the idea that this Skip fellow is kind of a dumb ass.
na.. Skip is ok and I don't often say that about a steelers fan :D I would be more worried about Beach Bum's worship of Skip. That's a little creepy.
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na.. Skip is ok and I don't often say that about a steelers fan :D I would be more worried about Beach Bum's worship of Skip. That's a little creepy.
RP fans are zealous but is that a necessarily bad thing ? At least most of the issues RP favors are correct unlike obamabots who push a man favoring disgusting policies and positions.
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na.. Skip is ok and I don't often say that about a steelers fan :D I would be more worried about Beach Bum's worship of Skip. That's a little creepy.
The RINOs attacking RP are doing thecGOPa grave disservice IMHO.
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na.. Skip is ok and I don't often say that about a steelers fan :D I would be more worried about Beach Bum's worship of Skip. That's a little creepy.
Ooooooooooops........... .. Maaaa bad..... ;D
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RP fans are zealous but is that a necessarily bad thing ? At least most of the issues RP favors are correct unlike obamabots who push a man favoring disgusting policies and positions.
I really do think that most Paul fans are pretty normal people who have been brought to being a bit more aggressive by how the media has treated Paul. When you start seeing all the shit the media has pulled with Paul, I imagine it makes a follower of his message get a little more aggressive. If the media would have been giving him a fair shake none of this would be an issue. I can't really blame them for that.
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Ooooooooooops............. Maaaa bad..... ;D
I disagree with him on Ron Paul but otherwise he seems ok to me.
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I really do think that most Paul fans are pretty normal people who have been brought to being a bit more aggressive by how the media has treated Paul. When you start seeing all the shit the media has pulled with Paul, I imagine it makes a follower of his message get a little more aggressive. If the media would have been giving him a fair shake none of this would be an issue. I can't really blame them for that.
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It's frustrating as hell when the most sensible candidate is smeared by both sides simply because he isn't corrupt... And it makes it twice as hard to deal with when anyone you talk to has their heads full of bullshit from corrupt media or a party that's butthurt hes not their Bitch.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/26/eric-dondero-ron-paul-racist-homophobic_n_1170054.html
Lol!!!! Panzie ass leftists are melting all over the place.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/26/eric-dondero-ron-paul-racist-homophobic_n_1170054.html
Lol!!!! Panzie ass leftists are melting all over the place.
Eric Dondero:
"We need a squeeky clean candidate against Obama. Zero baggage. And that's Zero, not 5% or even 1%. Huntsman or Romney. I'm a fmr. Cain supporter, now a Libertarian for Mitt!"
::) Ok....
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Eric Dondero:
"We need a squeeky clean candidate against Obama. Zero baggage. And that's Zero, not 5% or even 1%. Huntsman or Romney. I'm a fmr. Cain supporter, now a Libertarian for Mitt!"
::) Ok....
Myth scares the living shit out of me.
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Myth scares the living shit out of me.
he sure doesn't scare libs.
we bedwetting bags of shit know he'll be obama with fewer style points. Mitt 2012 baby.
If you think he's revoking obamacare on day 1, you're smoking crack. really. str8 freebase.
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na.. Skip is ok and I don't often say that about a steelers fan :D
Denver ending at 8-7....not so bad.
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Eric Dondero:
"We need a squeeky clean candidate against Obama. Zero baggage. And that's Zero, not 5% or even 1%. Huntsman or Romney. I'm a fmr. Cain supporter, now a Libertarian for Mitt!"
::) Ok....
LOL - don't confuse 333 with the facts
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Myth scares the living shit out of me.
from your postings on this board it seems almost everything scares the living shit out of you