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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: seraph on December 23, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
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I can't speak for anyone but myself and what my goals are. My first cycle is tbol and deca. Why? Cause I wanna keep my hair. I don't care what people on this board or other boards think and why should you?
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It has nothing to do with what people on here think... wtf lol. I want to have good information from professionals to guide me in the right way for performance and health reasons. People talk crap about test for a cycle on a daily basis here but don't back it up with any proof. Doctors prescribe patients test only cycles all the time. So on one hand you have doctors saying a test only cycle is healthy yet you have forum people here saying its garbage. I basically made this topic to see if some one with knowledge could actually provide proof is to why a test only cycle is not the best first time cycle. I also have a feeling that all the people saying it is not are just clowns who have no clue.
ALSO I KNOW NOT EVERY ONE HERE SAYS A TEST ONLY CYCLE IS BAD THIS IS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO DO.
Professional what? lol
Doctors do not recommend any cycles. Testosterone is prescribed to those with low levels of the hormone that's it.
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in for input...
getbig is the only place where tren is recommended as a first cycle....i missed out lol.
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Professional what? lol
Doctors do not recommend any cycles. Testosterone is prescribed to those with low levels of the hormone that's it.
PROFESSIONAL GETBIGGERS BRO. WE'RE PRO GB'ERS.
in for input...
getbig is the only place where tren is recommended as a first cycle....i missed out lol.
U KNOW THE LOGIC BEHIND IT MADE SENSE THEN, BUT NOW IT DOESNT. WHY NOT TREN FOR YOUR FIRST CYCLE?
PEOPLE SAY DONT DO IT TILL YOUR X(FILL IN 2ND, 5TH OR EVEN 10TH LOL) CYCLE, BUT TRUTH IS IF TREN SIDES EXIST TO YOU THEY WILL ON YOUR VERY FIRST CYCLE OR YOUR TENTH CYCLE.YOU AREN'T RUNNING AWAY WITH THEM, MIGHT AS WELL RUN WITH THEM AND SOLVE HOW TO COUNTERACT THOSE.
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I am only 25, but I have as much hormone experience as most people who "cycle" who are 50. This is basically my life and I am a legitimate contender to go pro one day. So take my advice for what it is, but don't expect me to spit some bro science at you right now (i.e. the alpha-keloids that testosterone produces are simply more effective than the celluloid inducing binders of trenbolone, despite the fact that trenbolone is 7 times more anabolic... etc etc etc). This is just real talk from my massive amount of experience:
A test only cycle is not fucking smart as your first cycle or ever. Testosterone in a cycle is for many purposes, but mainly libido. Think of it as your balls. But there are a list of other compounds that are straight up superior for muscle building purposes. However, they will often shut you down, hence the need for synthetic testosterone. Tren for example will build thick, lean muscle. On tren ace, you will build more lean muscle in one week than you would have otherwise built on a 3 month cycle of test @ 500 mg per week. Think of tren as your heart. But tren often leads to libido problems, and it definitely does shut you down. Here is where testosterone comes in- the synthetic testosterone raises your libido again and balances everything out.
But you are probably scared of running tren. You have read 1001 threads condemning the first time cycler for thinking about running tren. You have also read 25,000 threads telling you to run test only as your first cycle. So you definitely don't want to run tren, because you are convinced that you need to run "at least 3 cycles before you run tren". You have also read 1,000 threads on that topic on other boards. So I introduce either deca or eq, and in my recommendation you should run both. But you don't want to run both deca and eq at the same time because you have read 183 threads last month on the other board about not running deca with eq, because it will "shut you down too hard." So pick one or the other.
Now I'll cut the shit and give it to you straight. If you run the deca, don't do it for less than 10 weeks. Do it at least @ 250 mg per week and at the most 500 mg per week, and you can shoot it only once per week if you want. The esters will allow that. If you choose the EQ, run at the minimum at 600 mg per week (the conversion is NOT 1:1 from deca to eq, so 250 mg deca does NOT equal 250 mg EQ) and at the maximum 900 mg per week. If you choose EQ, run it for at least 12 weeks, but I would highly recommend 16 weeks at least on it. EQ takes a little while longer to really kick in.
Then add in your 500 mg of testosterone on top of either of these two cycles and you are golden. You will gain so much more lean, real muscle than you would have on a 10-12 week test alone cycle.
There is a reason we dislike test only cycles in the thunder dome (get big). It is because if you run a testosterone cycle without anything else you will look like a furniture mover, not a bodybuilder. And also, a testosterone only cycle is worthless without gh. There is a saying that for every gram of testosterone, you need 5 iu of GH to make it work. That saying has a great deal of merit to it.
And heed my last piece of advice strongly- there is a TON of fake deca and eq out there. Do your research. Because you might take my advice and run a 16 week cycle of EQ @ 600 mg and test cyp @ 500 mg, and purchase both compounds, but the EQ turns out to actually not be EQ, and in all likelihood if it is counterfeit EQ it is testosterone. So in that situation, you end up running 1,100 mgs of testosterone a week.
Do your homework. You found the right board, trust me. Now take our advice and never fall victim for another internet steroid cliche again. Here at the thunder dome we shatter cliches and turn skinny kids into local champion; local champ into "I just won my ticket to nationals"; national invite into pro card. The other boards give you a sticky and they repeat the information over and over from that sticky like a bunch of parrots, and overall hormone IQ is very low.
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And heed my last piece of advice strongly- there is a TON of fake deca and eq out there. Do your research. Because you might take my advice and run a 16 week cycle of EQ @ 600 mg and test cyp @ 500 mg, and purchase both compounds, but the EQ turns out to actually not be EQ, and in all likelihood if it is counterfeit EQ it is testosterone. So in that situation, you end up running 1,100 mgs of testosterone a week.
DID NOT READ ALL. BUT PEOPLE READ THIS.LEGIT HORMONAS.
IF U GOT A GREAT SOURCE, NEVER WORRY ABOUT THIS SWITCH UP OF EQ FOR TEST OR PRIMO FOR MASTERONA...HENCE,NEVER BUY UNLESS YOU KNOW YOUR SOURCE.
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DID NOT READ ALL. BUT PEOPLE READ THIS.LEGIT HORMONAS.
IF U GOT A GREAT SOURCE, NEVER WORRY ABOUT THIS SWITCH UP OF EQ FOR TEST OR PRIMO FOR MASTERONA...HENCE,NEVER BUY UNLESS YOU KNOW YOUR SOURCE.
Exactly. Listen to this guy's advice. I wish I had taken this advice over all of the baloney cliche advice on the other boards as a young man. This is the advice that gets you ahead in this game, and the failure to heed this advice is what gets you gyno and makes you look like Larry the Furniture Mover.
Legit... Hormonas...
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There's a lot of good points in this thread, but I still don't understand why so many here seem to think a testosterone only cycle is such a horrible thing. I always here talk here about how test only will leave you puffy looking, and that can be true, but at the same time it can be false. I know plenty of guys who have dieted down for a show using only testosterone or testosterone and little else because that's all they could afford, and they ended up looking great. I've done it myself.
Now, I won't say you have to run a test only cycle for your first cycle or that you have to run X amount of cycles before you can add Trenbolone or anything like that....that's all ridiculous talk. I will say testosterone is the most important steroid IMO and will do far more for you than just protect your libido. I've run a bazillion test only cycles, I've run plenty of cycles with everything under the sun in a stack...you can make anything work.
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There's a lot of good points in this thread, but I still don't understand why so many here seem to think a testosterone only cycle is such a horrible thing. I always here talk here about how test only will leave you puffy looking, and that can be true, but at the same time it can be false. I know plenty of guys who have dieted down for a show using only testosterone or testosterone and little else because that's all they could afford, and they ended up looking great. I've done it myself.
Now, I won't say you have to run a test only cycle for your first cycle or that you have to run X amount of cycles before you can add Trenbolone or anything like that....that's all ridiculous talk. I will say testosterone is the most important steroid IMO and will do far more for you than just protect your libido. I've run a bazillion test only cycles, I've run plenty of cycles with everything under the sun in a stack...you can make anything work.
I was only using "testosterone as a libido booster" as support for the "testosterone is to your balls as tren is to your heart" analogy. Let me be literal here for a moment- test does far more for you than just boost your libido. That being said, I still view it as significantly less effective than deca, eq, and tren and I would go as far as to say that I think higher of masteron, halo and primo than I do of testosterone. That is just my personal opinion of testosterone for bodybuilding purposes. It has its time. If you are on year round, there are definitely times when you are running a gram or close to it of test. I know some guys who run more than a gram of test. However, the biggest and best physiques I know were not built of test. Test was used as a supplement to support their libidos as the other drugs built them.
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I went with Turinabol for 4 weeks 20,30,40,50 ED and used some suspension after the first week. I only ran the cycle for 6weeks I got huge just off the tbol in a week. after 3 weeks I had almost gained 20 pounds and i was honestly pleased so i didnt see a point of running the cycle longer than a few more weeks just to see if the strength gains got more intense. I would definatley say use a oral and a low dose test for your first cycle.
Test E-250-500mg-8-12 weeks
Dbol-10,20,30,40mg foir the first 4 weeks only jump up 10mg every week
make sure you have everything before you start get your pct in check before you start that is a stupid mistake alot of first timers make they orer it towards the end but get puffy aching nips within a few weeks. you could also throw in EQ to this cycle. I wouldn't go with deca till your 2nd cycle. 400mg EQ stack great with Test E and Dbol. you will get 20 pounds easy if you train and eat right if you are a responder and get good gear.. I was sent highly potent gear my first cycle. very potent!
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PROFESSIONAL GETBIGGERS BRO. WE'RE PRO GB'ERS.
U KNOW THE LOGIC BEHIND IT MADE SENSE THEN, BUT NOW IT DOESNT. WHY NOT TREN FOR YOUR FIRST CYCLE?
PEOPLE SAY DONT DO IT TILL YOUR X(FILL IN 2ND, 5TH OR EVEN 10TH LOL) CYCLE, BUT TRUTH IS IF TREN SIDES EXIST TO YOU THEY WILL ON YOUR VERY FIRST CYCLE OR YOUR TENTH CYCLE.YOU AREN'T RUNNING AWAY WITH THEM, MIGHT AS WELL RUN WITH THEM AND SOLVE HOW TO COUNTERACT THOSE.
oh yeah ;D
But you see op...you will get different responses as to which "cycle" to run your first go at it. This is the best board online cause we don't regurgitate the same advice over and over like on other boards like smoofcat mentioned. There is freedom here where as on another board if someone was to suggest something other than 500 mg of test e for 12 weeks he would get flamed and have their input censored.
How can or why should every single beginner use the same generic first time cycle??? I never understood that...does that make sense to you?
Does everyone train the same, eat the same or have the same goals too?
And if someone here says that a test only cycle sucks than that's their personal opinion. There is no predominant thought here like on the other boards. You have your own goals and you have to be the one that chooses which side effects you are willing to put up with if they do arise. Not that you will get them all from certain steroids but if they do, you're the one that has to deal with them not some random person on a steroid board.
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Unfortunately you won't know what the best cycle would've been until you've experimented with several compounds, doses, combinations etc.
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safest most fool proof cycle imo is testosterone enanthate and nandrolone decanoate at a dosage of between 375 and 600 mg each (depending on your height and size already). no reason to do an oral first cycle. just unnecessary liver strain.
after running that for eight to 12 weeks. take at least four weeks off and then jump on a more specialized-to-your-goals stack.
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250 mg test enanthat e5d for 20-25 weeks...
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What dosage would you recommend for 205 pounds at 12% bf.
500 or 600 mg
Also Any issue with running test sustanan instead of test enanthate?
nah. that's fine. i just avoid sustanon bc i think it's over rated. enanthate is cheaper and you get more test mg per mg. however the difference is negligible.
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safest most fool proof cycle imo is testosterone enanthate and nandrolone decanoate at a dosage of between 375 and 600 mg each (depending on your height and size already). no reason to do an oral first cycle. just unnecessary liver strain.
after running that for eight to 12 weeks. take at least four weeks off and then jump on a more specialized-to-your-goals stack.
Id go with the Test E 250mg-500mg a week but EQ 400mg not deca. I would also use a oral to jumpstart. dbol or tbol. first timers respond great to orals. really only a little Test E say 250mg one shot a week and 30mg dbol should get a first timer 20 pounds if the gear is potent and they know how to train and eat like a bodybuilder
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Id go with the Test E 250mg-500mg a week but EQ 400mg not deca. I would also use a oral to jumpstart. dbol or tbol. first timers respond great to orals. really only a little Test E say 250mg one shot a week and 30mg dbol should get a first timer 20 pounds if the gear is potent and they know how to train and eat like a bodybuilder
In a way I agree with this. Going with EQ over Deca might be the smart move. Because IMO deca leads to a lot more sides than tren does for me. I really never understood the propaganda out there on the boards about awful tren sides. And I have run everything from home cooked fina to top chef batches @ up to a gram per week. It is when I start using deca @ over 500 mg per week that I start to get funny sides, and I find EQ to be a very smooth experience even at up to a gram. The anxiety can be a little intense, but as I have said repeatedly, there are many ways to beat your anxiety (obviously I am not referring to narcotics. narcotics + AS: maniac).
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Id go with the Test E 250mg-500mg a week but EQ 400mg not deca. I would also use a oral to jumpstart. dbol or tbol. first timers respond great to orals. really only a little Test E say 250mg one shot a week and 30mg dbol should get a first timer 20 pounds if the gear is potent and they know how to train and eat like a bodybuilder
my first cycle i gained 30 lbs on locally cooked test and deca. clean too. albeit watery.
i went off for too long hunting for another local source.
when i finally went back on i had lost most of my gains and that time i did test at 750, deca at 600, and five weeks of dbol tapering up to 50 mg a day. i gained 34lbs in 12 weeks this time, but judging by the mirror i know that that extra four lbs was just water. :-\ so what was really the point in adding an oral and upping the dosages? none that i can see. you can only gain so fast and only so much on aas before you have to explore other mechanisms like gh and insulin anyway.
so in my experience orals are just not necessary imo ever. you can accomplish the exact same thing with injectables without unnecessary liver toxicity. (remember: "all aas drugs activate the same cellular receptor, and as such share similar protein anabolizing properties.") and always remember more does not necessary equate more gains; although it does always equate more side effects!
let me share with you all something that i feel is very important especially in light of the information bfg is sharing and the out of this world dosages he's condoning
this is a paragraph from william lleyllen's anabolics 10th edition:
the dosage used is important in determining the level of benefit received. anabolic/androgenic steroids tend to be most efficient at promoting muscle gains when taken at a moderately supratherapeutic dosage level. below this (therapeutic), potential anabolic benefits are often counterbalanced, at least to some extent, by the suppression of endogenous testosterone. at very high doses (excessive supratherapeutic), smaller incremental gains are noticed (diminishing returns). in the case of testosterone enanthate or cypionate, for example, a dosage of 100 mg per week is considered therapeutic, and is generally insufficient for noticing strong anabolic benefits. when the dosages is in the 200-600 mg per week range, however, the drug is highly efficient at supporting muscle growth (moderate supratherapeutic). above this range, a greater level of muscle gain may be noticed, but the amount will be small in comparison to the dosage increase.
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In a way I agree with this. Going with EQ over Deca might be the smart move. Because IMO deca leads to a lot more sides than tren does for me. I really never understood the propaganda out there on the boards about awful tren sides. And I have run everything from home cooked fina to top chef batches @ up to a gram per week. It is when I start using deca @ over 500 mg per week that I start to get funny sides, and I find EQ to be a very smooth experience even at up to a gram. The anxiety can be a little intense, but as I have said repeatedly, there are many ways to beat your anxiety (obviously I am not referring to narcotics. narcotics + AS: maniac).
this is the first i've ever heard someone say they experience more sides on deca than tren! although i've experienced none on either. i love steroids. ;D
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this is the first i've ever heard someone say they experience more sides on deca than tren! although i've experienced none on either. i love steroids. ;D
tren makes me feel great, deca often makes me feel lazy and bloated. as i have said before, i can deal with the anxiety related effects of tren, because i am a bi of a jedi. but the bloat from deca is a bit hard to deal with, especially when i used to run it without gh
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tren makes me feel great, deca often makes me feel lazy and bloated. as i have said before, i can deal with the anxiety related effects of tren, because i am a bi of a jedi. but the bloat from deca is a bit hard to deal with, especially when i used to run it without gh
HAVE YOU RAN NPP BEFORE? AND CAN YOU COMPARE THOSE TWO?
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HAVE YOU RAN NPP BEFORE? AND CAN YOU COMPARE THOSE TWO?
yes i have and they are both amazing for the joints. with npp you retain significantly less water. however, obviously the downside is pinning.
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i don't know why people keep making an emphasis on "first" and "second cycle"
generally, all that means is that people haven't run a lot of gear and are inexperienced with various compounds other than test deca or d-bol. so the logical next step in their cycle progression, whatever cycle number it is (since it's irrelevant) would be to just add more steroids. i mean, that's really all there is too it, bodybuilding is all drugs anyways. keep adding more until you get to the size you want.
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You are some one who says a test only cycle is not good. So what would your first cycle be?
ok I think the better question at this point is how often do you want to pin? Can you imagine pinning 4-7 times a week, or would you be much happier with just pinning 2-3 times per week? Also, what are your goals with this cycle. Describe them in detail. Give me more information one what you are after and I am going to construct you something tailored to what you are after.
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i don't like test, i get more side effects than benefits from it. for myself, if i were to start all over again with my first cycle? i would have gone straight to tren, i would have just blasted tren and d-bol from the very start.
for someone else though? i don't know, i think tren is absolutely the best steroid for bodybuilding, period. but for some people the sides are unbearable and so it's hard to make a blanket statement, like is done on a lot of these boards, stating what someone "should" or "shouldn't" do for their cycles. most people know their own body's better than some random goofball on elitefitness named Ronniecoleman'sBicep1988, and with experience and experimenting people will eventually learn what works best for themselves.
it's very hard to guess how someone will react to a steroid but i think since everyone who is serious about bodybuilding will eventually run tren there's really no point in putting it off for a later "cycle" since it's not as if the body will build a resistance and an immunity to steroid side effects after running them for a year, lol
safer, non-test route, would be running nandrolone either deca or NPP (npp is better, in my opinion). d-bol is always good, anadrol is great too but like tren it comes with the baggage of harder side effects (which is again, also subjective, because similar to how i get worse sides from test than tren, people get worse sides from d-bol than drol, so who knows).
i guess, since it sounds like you are trying to break into steroids with the milder compounds: EQ, deca, var would be in the list of the more mild steroids. primo could debatably be in that list too but, it's so subjective and some people actually get some real serious androgenic side effects from primo because primo is a pure-dht derivative and is actually pretty androgenic causing the typical androgenic sides like prostate hypertrophy and hairloss. d-bol is pretty mild overall, at least for an oral, but some people get pretty bad estrogen related sides and need to run an AI with it, i don't but again, huge variance with how people respond to steroids.
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Goal : Get big And aesthetic... walk around 220 at 10% body fat year round.
I would like to add 10-15 pounds of lbm and drop my body weight 2-4%. My only down side is I still like to run and be athletic and from research tren seems to be horrible for an athlete. Maybe a test var or test t-bol cycle would be better? Getting big/aesthetic is the focus here so i'm not looking for a purely athletic cycle. It's to decide what to do in this thread alone there is like 5 first cycle suggestions(test only, test deca, test eq, test orall, test tren. faurk. I am trying to do as much research but the more research I do the more confusing it gets.( By confusing I mean by 1000 different opinions. )
Maybe you should try to forget this whole "cycle" idea, start trying different hormones and stick with the ones you like.
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That does not seem like the best approach... Mainly for health reasons and outcome.
Well, you can see why you will always get all sorts of suggestions though right?
These guys with actual experience are all affected differently with the steroids that they themselves have tried. There's only one way to find out how your body will react.
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Goal : Get big And aesthetic... walk around 220 at 10% body fat year round.
I would like to add 10-15 pounds of lbm and drop my body weight 2-4%. My only down side is I still like to run and be athletic and from research tren seems to be horrible for an athlete. Maybe a test var or test t-bol cycle would be better? Getting big/aesthetic is the focus here so i'm not looking for a purely athletic cycle. It's to decide what to do in this thread alone there is like 5 first cycle suggestions(test only, test deca, test eq, test orall, test tren. faurk. I am trying to do as much research but the more research I do the more confusing it gets.( By confusing I mean by 1000 different opinions. )
600MG EQ, 300 TREN, 300 PROP. MOVE TREN UP BY 50, PROP DOWN BY 50 EVERY PLATEAU AND ADD MASTERON 50MG EOD UP TO 100MG EOD AFTER YOU PLATEAU FROM THAT.
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my first cycle i gained 30 lbs on locally cooked test and deca. clean too. albeit watery.
i went off for too long hunting for another local source.
when i finally went back on i had lost most of my gains and that time i did test at 750, deca at 600, and five weeks of dbol tapering up to 50 mg a day. i gained 34lbs in 12 weeks this time, but judging by the mirror i know that that extra four lbs was just water. :-\ so what was really the point in adding an oral and upping the dosages? none that i can see. you can only gain so fast and only so much on aas before you have to explore other mechanisms like gh and insulin anyway.
so in my experience orals are just not necessary imo ever. you can accomplish the exact same thing with injectables without unnecessary liver toxicity. (remember: "all aas drugs activate the same cellular receptor, and as such share similar protein anabolizing properties.") and always remember more does not necessary equate more gains; although it does always equate more side effects!
let me share with you all something that i feel is very important especially in light of the information bfg is sharing and the out of this world dosages he's condoning
this is a paragraph from william lleyllen's anabolics 10th edition:
you can use Tbol instead of dbol and you want get that water retention. so I would go Test E 250-500mg 400-600EQ and 4 weeks of Tbol start at 20mg and bump up 10mg a week for 4 weeks I bet a first timer would gain 20 fairly lean pounds off of Test E 250mg-500mg, 400-600mg EQ, 20mg tbol raising up to 50mg by the end of week for and continuing out 6 more weeks of just Test E and EQ
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you can use Tbol instead of dbol and you want get that water retention. so I would go Test E 250-500mg 400-600EQ and 4 weeks of Tbol start at 20mg and bump up 10mg a week for 4 weeks I bet a first timer would gain 20 fairly lean pounds off of Test E 250mg-500mg, 400-600mg EQ, 20mg tbol raising up to 50mg by the end of week for and continuing out 6 more weeks of just Test E and EQ
oh yeah, i completely forgot about t-bol. t-bol is probably the best oral option for this guy. only issue with t-bol is it's hard to find properly dosed legit t-bol since it is pretty expensive.
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since i have fallen for the ' first cycle ' trap...* im in week 6 of dbol n test e...* i have a question..
can i by week 10 or 8 if i feel z gainz have slowed down , can i lower the test dose to 300mg and add a second compound and run them both? or should i keep it the same? what compounds would be recommended?
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600MG EQ, 300 TREN, 300 PROP. MOVE TREN UP BY 50, PROP DOWN BY 50 EVERY PLATEAU AND ADD MASTERON 50MG EOD UP TO 100MG EOD AFTER YOU PLATEAU FROM THAT.
^^ this..stop overanalyze
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i don't know why people keep making an emphasis on "first" and "second cycle"
his "cycle" = your blast. he doesn't have plans to stay on. he's testing the waters.
just add more steroids. i mean, that's really all there is too it, bodybuilding is all drugs anyways. keep adding more until you get to the size you want.
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in this thread alone there is like 5 first cycle suggestions(test only, test deca, test eq, test orall, test tren. faurk. I am trying to do as much research but the more research I do the more confusing it gets.( By confusing I mean by 1000 different opinions. )
research these compounds. read articles that site scientific studies. weigh the science with our opinions. make a decision.
the reason i suggested test and deca is because they make a nice synergistic combination since test is more androgenic--deca more anabolic (both are also naturally occurring hormones--neither have been altered so i believe this is why they sit well with the body) and it really is among the safest (if not the safest) stack you can run.
although, given your goals, i suggest tren 300 mg/week + test 250 mg/week + drostanolone 150 mg/week + 4 iu gh daily.
you pick the ester depending on how frequently you want to stick yourself. there's no science behind claims that different esters = different results. it's the same exact fucking thing just with varying half-lives.
Maybe you should try to forget this whole "cycle" idea, start trying different hormones and stick with the ones you like.
this. but for pity's sake, read about it before you stick it in your body.
Oral at the start of the cycle not in the middle when.you hit a plateau?
the gains will be negligible. it's not worth the dramatic negative effect orals have on your cholesterol + hepatoxicity. how many ways can i say DIMINISHING RETURNS??
when you truly plateau gh higher dose is your answer. not more steroids and more orals. they all activate the same fucking androgen receptors. once they're all saturated there is no point in dumping more steroid on them.
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Would Geneza Pharmaceuticals t-bol be properly dosed good quality tbol if of course it was legit?
Also I read something that the oral should be used in the middle to the end of a cycle when you hit a plateau instead of at the start what do you think?
i have not heard good things about GP. they are inconsistent like most public UGLs, no clue about their t-bol though. with most ugls when you go with test/deca/d-bol it's usually those steroids you are getting, possibly under or overdosed, but those rarely get faked and are actually used to fake other compounds. when you buy other steroids from ugls though, it's a crap-shoot. you have no idea what's actually in the vial. there's a reason people spend 3 times more money on human grade or bust their ass to get in with private sources, it's because most ugls are shit.
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the distinction isn't so much human grade or UGL as it is trustworthy source or not. human grade gets faked more than any other product because you can make an oil, already marked up 15x cost and mark it up another 3 times by claiming it's human grade. happens very often so you have to be even more careful when going HG.
like i told you before, the only sources that i trust, and the only sources you see other people here recommend are all private so i can't really help you in this regard even if i gave you their names. i know it sucks, i've been in your position before, i know exactly what it feels like but really not much can be done. i don't really want to say much more on the subject though because it's broaching the line of open sourcing and it's making me feel uncomfortable. try reading a few open source boards though, tons of people talk about sources there, you will get pointed in the right direction at which point you will know the right questions to ask without making people feel awkward.
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Shit man, I wish I had known about getbig before I ran my first cycle. I ran test c at 400 a week with 40mg dianabol per day for first 6 weeks. I LOOKED LIKE A FUCKING SHORT OFFENSIVE LINMAN. I was all bloofed out to the tune of 260lbs, mostly water and some fat because I was too fat starting the cycle and estrogen fucking owned me.
If I could do it all over I would run sust at something like 500(for whatever reason I don't get anywhere near the estro sides on sust) and EQ at 600 and I would run that shit for 16 solid weeks. Something else that I've learned that helps with test a lot is if I get sides 10mg of nolva per day or even 20 EOD gets rid of a lot of water and cures itchy nips. What I like better though is masteron at 50-100mg EOD.
Hell you could even run the cycle above and have mast or even winny on hand and end the cycle four or six weeks with the three compounds and dry out a little bit.
The last thing you should consider is that you will fucking LOVE being "on" so much you will turn into the rest of us and never get off LOL! Once you cross over, training natural fucking SUCKS.
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So sust 250 twice a week and eq 250 every 3 days? What about pct? Any opinions on HCG?
Are you a mentally stable individual? For real. If stay away from clomid. It'll turn you into a bitch a girlyman with moodswings etc. Just use your hcg with nolva and aromasin for instance.
If you can handle the clomid sides. them clomid and hcg and you're good to go.