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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SamsonD on December 23, 2011, 11:00:16 PM
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Hey all,
So I have been absorbing as much info here on Getbig as I can and going over and over the bible. In the absence of phase 4, I'm wondering if we could get a topic going on proven prep methods. I'm thinking the preached and preached diet diet cardio cardio cardio is not the most effective way to get shredded and keep/gain lean tissue.
I learned a decent amount from Reardons thread and that's what got me thinking about this. I'm going to throw out my stats just as a starting point but this thread should be for anybody to read and get ideas from.
I'm 5' 10" and 245-250 depending how much water I'm holding. 12-14% BF, been "bulking" all year. I can flex and see abs but let's just assume 14% to be on safe side. Bulking "cycles" have been 750-1200mg test(usually sust), 400-600mg deca or EQ, and I've been dropping tren in and out at 300mg a week since Sept. I'll cruise at 300mg test for 4 weeks or so and then ramp back up. I've been on GH for the last six weeks starting at 4IU for 25 days then 6 for a couple weeks. Lately I've been doing 10IU PWO four days per week.
What would you guys recomend someone like me start running at about 20 weeks out? And then what kind of diet and training to maximize what's going on?
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in the past tren ace has been paramount to my prep. i even went as high as 1 gram every week of ace at some point last year. unfortunately, i was not running GH at the time, so this meant i was doing more cardio than anybody else. having said that, i am doing it right this time around and running gh year round as well as tren ace and masteron with some low dose prop for 12-16 weeks before my next contest. i will cut the gh 3 weeks before contest, and really blast the tren ace @ up to a gram a week again, and introduce a diuretic and obviously diet.
however we may want to listen to someone who has experience with GH, and how to use it in the lead up to contest.
what i really want is phase 4
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i highly doubt you're 14% bf and can see abs..... give yourself some slack if you actually have abs probably no higher than 10. personally my abs wont show well unless im 9 or below
Proabably right, but I'm too hairy and pale to post any pics at the moment LOL. And I'm sick of internet heros posting stats about how great they are. I'd rather exagerate in the opposite direction.
Smoof, I'm probably going to work my way up to at least 700mg tren and mast this go around. 3-400mg prop, keep EQ high at close to a gram till a month out maybe unless I'm not holding much water. GH three weeks like you said.
I am also interested in how people ran GH and when they took it out, and what kind of diet has been succesful.
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Don't have much time today or tomorrow but I'll get in here after and offer whatever I know.
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300MG PROP, 600MG PRIMO & EQ, 5-6IU GH ED FOR 12 WEEKS
150MG PROP, 300MG MASTERON, 400MG TREN, 600MG EQ, 75MG ADROL ED, 8-10IU GH ED FOR 6 WEEKS
HAVE ZERO EXPERIENCE.
HOPE THIS HELPS.
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300MG PROP, 600MG PRIMO & EQ, 5-6IU GH ED FOR 12 WEEKS
150MG PROP, 300MG MASTERON, 400MG TREN, 600MG EQ, 75MG ADROL ED, 8-10IU GH ED FOR 6 WEEKS
HAVE ZERO EXPERIENCE.
HOPE THIS HELPS.
is there any reason for the gh being low for the first 12 weeks?
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i highly doubt you're 14% bf and can see abs..... give yourself some slack if you actually have abs probably no higher than 10. personally my abs wont show well unless im 9 or below
yeah, i agree if you have abs you are definitely lower than 14%.
though with that said, some peopple hold fat/water differently, like my good buddy's abs are the last thing to come in while with me, my abs are usually pretty visible in lower double digits since i store a lot of fat around my legs/back/chest and face but not abs. i start to get a pretty decent set of abs around 11-12% with top and bottom portion visible when flexed but i carry a little pouch around my belly button.
i'm curious about people's experience with diuretics though, if people don't mind sharing i'd like to read about it. i've used aldo in the past without great efficacy, i dropped water well but man, cramps killed me. i don't think aldo is as dangerous as people make it out to be, i mean, christ, there are trannies who run 100mg/day 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year - not that i would do that.
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yeah, i agree if you have abs you are definitely lower than 14%.
though with that said, some peopple hold fat/water differently, like my good buddy's abs are the last thing to come in while with me, my abs are usually pretty visible in lower double digits since i store a lot of fat around my legs/back/chest and face but not abs. i start to get a pretty decent set of abs around 11-12% with top and bottom portion visible when flexed but i carry a little pouch around my belly button.
i'm curious about people's experience with diuretics though, if people don't mind sharing i'd like to read about it. i've used aldo in the past without great efficacy, i dropped water well but man, cramps killed me. i don't think aldo is as dangerous as people make it out to be, i mean, christ, there are trannies who run 100mg/day 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year - not that i would do that.
WTF why?
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yeah, i agree if you have abs you are definitely lower than 14%.
though with that said, some peopple hold fat/water differently, like my good buddy's abs are the last thing to come in while with me, my abs are usually pretty visible in lower double digits since i store a lot of fat around my legs/back/chest and face but not abs. i start to get a pretty decent set of abs around 11-12% with top and bottom portion visible when flexed but i carry a little pouch around my belly button.
i'm curious about people's experience with diuretics though, if people don't mind sharing i'd like to read about it. i've used aldo in the past without great efficacy, i dropped water well but man, cramps killed me. i don't think aldo is as dangerous as people make it out to be, i mean, christ, there are trannies who run 100mg/day 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year - not that i would do that.
You realize trannies take aldactone because it totally destroys androgen levels, right? It should only be used for a few days before a show. 4 days of aldactone and then dyazide the night before and morning of is a common protocol.
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What about macro ratios, do any of you guys care about that kind of stuff? Like carbs, do you guys like to go lo carb at the end and then carb up or what? I see so many guys miss the mark trying that kind of stuff it scares the shit out of me. I would honestly like to keep carbs higher for training intensity, keeping fat low and dropping carbs some during the final weeks but still a decent amount. I want to stay full and eat the same shit the day before the contest as two weeks prior if you know what I mean?
Basically I want to be in shape a couple weeks out and just coast in and not have to try and shitload or carb load or anything. Anyone ever do THAT?
How about cardio? I'm thinking that if I'm running at least 10IU GH and ever increasing amounts of tren I can get to 6-7% withougt a ton, but I could be wrong there. Then add some clen and t3 the final four or six weeks to get to 5% or less?
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You realize trannies take aldactone because it totally destroys androgen levels, right? It should only be used for a few days before a show. 4 days of aldactone and then dyazide the night before and morning of is a common protocol.
i know exactly what spiro does, and i took it because of it's androgen blocking characteristics; i was experimenting with it to see if it would help with hairloss while on a bad cycle. But, the reason i pointed out the trannies using it is because i wanted to use an example of long term high dosages without serious health complications. though, it does cause tumors when used at those durations which is why i said using it like that is not something i'd recommend:
Studies of spironolactone and the related compound potassium canrenoate (which, like spironolactone, metabolizes to canrenone) in rats for one- to two-year periods show an increase in carcinogenesis in the thyroid gland, testes, liver, breasts, and myelocytic leukocytes. Mammalian cells, depending on the presence of metabolic activation, show mixed results for mutagenicity in vitro.[8]
taken straight off wikipedia, but i can't get access to the source of the study they used on the wiki page.
i'd honestly just use lasix and then increase potassium supplementation. it's not as if increasing K+ intake is that difficult to warrant labeling lasix the more dangerous diuretic, and from my own personal experience with spiro and having trouble pissing when on it, i wouldn't say spiro is completely side effect free and significantly safer than lasix. something about aldo inherently being an androgen and working via gene transcription at the cellular level and considering it's been proven to cause tumors in rats and also leaves spironolactone bodies in the adrenal gland with long term usage, it all just doesn't sit right with me - i mean look at this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Spironolactone_bodies.png/220px-Spironolactone_bodies.png)
Long-term administration of spironolactone gives the histologic characteristic of spironolactone bodies in the adrenal cortex. Spironolactone bodies are eosinophilic, round, concentrically laminated cytoplasmic inclusions surrounded by clear halos in preparations stained with hematoxylin and eosin.[11]
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the big secret to contest cycles is to use as much fast acting gear and gh as you can afford, i also like to use alot of orals last few weeks too, obviously along with clenbuterol and ephidrene
as for carbs, last time out i never carbed up and looked the best ive been, just kept everything the same the last week, and knew exactly how id look on the day with the water taken out
if i were to compete again id go this route again, unless i learnt the secret of carbing up with insulin without totaly fucking up or dying
the thing with lasex is you can almost see it work after an hr or so, i do prefer aldactone tho, just as its far safer
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i know exactly what spiro does, and i took it because of it's androgen blocking characteristics; i was experimenting with it to see if it would help with hairloss while on a bad cycle. But, the reason i pointed out the trannies using it is because i wanted to use an example of long term high dosages without serious health complications. though, it does cause tumors when used at those durations which is why i said using it like that is not something i'd recommend:
taken straight off wikipedia, but i can't get access to the source of the study they used on the wiki page.
i'd honestly just use lasix and then increase potassium supplementation. it's not as if increasing K+ intake is that difficult to warrant labeling lasix the more dangerous diuretic, and from my own personal experience with spiro and having trouble pissing when on it, i wouldn't say spiro is completely side effect free and significantly safer than lasix. something about aldo inherently being an androgen and working via gene transcription at the cellular level and considering it's been proven to cause tumors in rats and also leaves spironolactone bodies in the adrenal gland with long term usage, it all just doesn't sit right with me - i mean look at this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Spironolactone_bodies.png/220px-Spironolactone_bodies.png)
Long-term administration of spironolactone gives the histologic characteristic of spironolactone bodies in the adrenal cortex. Spironolactone bodies are eosinophilic, round, concentrically laminated cytoplasmic inclusions surrounded by clear halos in preparations stained with hematoxylin and eosin.[11]
have you tried dyazide?
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Winstrol 50mg/day
Halotestin 30mg/day last 3 weeks
Masteron + tren + prop same dosage, 100-150mg/day
Clen max 200mcg 7 last weeks
T3
Equipoise 1g/week, vascular look
Primo 100mg/day if you have enough budget
Gh, as much as you can afford
Dont touch dnp
Letrozol to cut estrogen and drop water
Ur good to go with that ;)
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Winstrol 50mg/day
Halotestin 30mg/day last 3 weeks
Masteron + tren + prop same dosage, 100-150mg/day
Clen max 200mcg 7 last weeks
T3
Equipoise 1g/week, vascular look
Primo 100mg/day if you have enough budget
Gh, as much as you can afford
Dont touch dnp
Letrozol to cut estrogen and drop water
Ur good to go with that ;)
Yes looks ok but what about using tren instead of winstrol? & what about adding some anadrol 50 last 3 weeks to blow your muscles out from the inside? Ever thought about that?
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In my experience, if you haven't recently competed, like in the last year or so, then you probably have zero idea how your body REALLY will react to things. More than likely, if you're not within a year of being totally ripped, then you are probably around or above 10% bf or at the least you have stubborn areas that will require extra dieting.
What I found to be true is that I kept making progress on small modifications in diet and drugs. (You can see my thread to see exactly what modifications were made). I would continually progress, but the mistake I made was in believing I was closer to stage shape than I thought I was. The result was I needed 3 weeks of almost zero carbs, 2 hrs cardio a day plus training to hit my deadline when I actually started dieting at 15.5 weeks out!
So either A.) I was fatter than I thought when I started, B.) I didn't diet hard enough throughout or C.) something made me stagnate when progress was possible.
I suspect a combination of all three. But even so, I lost a total of 61 lbs and came in good enough for 2nd, so some things DID work too:
Things that worked:
1. gh. I took 10iu/day blue tops and it enabled me to forego cardio until 8 weeks out and eat an average of 800 kcal MORE per DAY than when I dieted without gh.
2. tren ace- I cycled it throughout the year and towards the end line I dosed up to 200mg/day. It shed off stubborn fat and gave me the intensity I needed to train.
3. Bronkaid (ephedrine)- as soon as I switched from clen to ephedrine I dried out immediately and had tons of energy. Would not prep without it.
4. Taking out gh 2.5 weeks before the show. I dropped 7-8 lbs of water immediately and hardened up every day considerably. Of course, I was using ND blues which bloat you a fair bit. But I would recommend this in lieu of several weeks of diuretic use.
5. Lasix- Only used a small amount but the difference overnight was drastic. Much, much tighter and drier.
Everything else could be seen as independant to the user. There's no cookie cutter answer to getting in top shape, except you're going to restrict calories and you're going to do cardio at SOME point.
Things I could have done better:
1. Started cardio earlier in the prep. I started in earnest at 8 weeks out when I should have been doing it from 12 weeks.
2. tightened diet up about 2 weeks earlier. I didn't get really tight on the diet until 5 weeks out. Would have been better being tight from 7-8 weeks out.
3. Had a leaner starting point. Being that my offseason was 9 years, I'm gonna give myself a pass on this, but still, I could have done much better starting from 8% instead of 11-13%
4. Been more conscious of long ester product use in offseason, the reason I bloat so badly. 2 whole weeks in the beginning was just pissing out water, which could have been semi avoided. I was always afraid to run short esters too much, but now I realize how awesome they make you look so I'll stick to them for the entire prep.
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Yes looks ok but what about using tren instead of winstrol? & what about adding some anadrol 50 last 3 weeks to blow your muscles out from the inside? Ever thought about that?
?? There is allready both tren and winstrol
If you want your muscles to blow, just use insulin instead during last 3 weeks, stop 3-4 days before the show, will give u enough time to drop the water
Use slow slin, humulin n, 30iu/day will do the work
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Thanks for the input Reardon.
I'm not even close to 10% right now so I'm looking at a long probably arduous prep most likely. I'm going to blast some GH and slin, test c, npp, and EQ for the next four weeks and get as much size on as possible then start the prep first of Feb. for a late May show. I think the first few to four weeks I will tighten up a decent amount just from cleaning my diet up, but I think I'm going to get some cardio going right from the get go so I don't get behind. If all goes perfect I'd like to be ready a couple weeks out so I can cruise in and/or maybe experiment with dropping water etc.
I think I'll stay on EQ right close to the show at 900mg, maybe a gram. Prop and tren in increasing amounts as I go. I don't think I'll go any higher than 4-450mg prop, but I'll see if I can stand 600-700mg tren, hell maybe more. Once I start looking lean, hopefully by 8-10 weeks out I'll add in masteron and winny 500-700mg. 6-8IU GH througout, dropping a couple weeks ahead of time.
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thanks to rearden and samsonD for your help in two very different areas of my contest prep.
Rearden, the advice to pin in my chest and tris has paid some noticeable dividends in the past week and a half. I can actually see growth.
and samson... We are in the same boat in terms of being rookies to insulin (although I have never touched it, only am about to). you do seem to be intelligent and on a similar pursuit of knowledge in this field as I am. I'm going to the pharmacy to ask for some humulin R right now lol, I hope the lady doesn't look at me like I'm insane.
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have you tried dyazide?
no, why?
i don't feel much of a need to run diuretics, i ran spiro for another reason than to dry out but also i was a bit curious what it would be like so i tried it. i'm around 11-12% bodyfat at the moment so to me it would feel like a waste to run diuretics, if i ever get down to 6% again i'll run a couple days of lasix, just for fun and to parade around while shirtless like a giant toolbag lol.
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thanks to rearden and samsonD for your help in two very different areas of my contest prep.
Rearden, the advice to pin in my chest and tris has paid some noticeable dividends in the past week and a half. I can actually see growth.
and samson... We are in the same boat in terms of being rookies to insulin (although I have never touched it, only am about to). you do seem to be intelligent and on a similar pursuit of knowledge in this field as I am. I'm going to the pharmacy to ask for some humulin R right now lol, I hope the lady doesn't look at me like I'm insane.
i think you will get turned down more often asking for insulin needles than you will humulin-r, at least i don't think they'll turn you away when asking for humulin-r since it doesn't require a script.
if you run insulin, avoid consuming fats at the same time, as free fatty acids in the presence of insulin will get shuttled into adipose tissue, which, obviously you want to avoid! there's really nothing to insulin though, it's a good hormone and people exaggerate the risks involved with its use.
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I recomend you use humuin n instead of humulin r.
You have no risk of hypo, less water retention, and people tend to eat too much on fast slin, wich will make you gain fat easily
I prefer way better slow slin
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I had no problem whatsoever getting a bottle of humulin at the pharmacy an hour ago, and I got an additional 10 slin pins as well. They didn't even look at me funny, because I so clearly am not a dope addict or anything like that.
Actually, come to think of it, I have never had an issue from any pharmacy when going in to grab needles. Nobody has ever given me attitude or anything like that. I think it is because I present myself professionally, and am assertive and confident with my requests. I think that if you are looking at your feet and stumbling your words, then the pharmacist might think something is up. I don't know.
I am not even sure that I am going to run this humulin stuff yet. I have already gained a huge amount of weight in the last couple of months, and while the insulin pre workout pump sounds like something I would enjoy, I don't know if I want to jump up to 240 this quickly. I mean going from under 220 to 240 in 6 weeks is kind of ridiculous. This is a marathon not a sprint, and with that adage in mind, I might just wait until after my next contest to start the insulin. However, I wanted to report to you guys that it is in fact very easy to get this shit at the pharmacy.
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Its easy because you dont need a prescribtion
By law they have no choice selling it to you, same with syringues
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needles...syringes...bins...bacteriostatic...water...are...free...to...get...here...in...england...
love...it...
well in that case i am very jealous, because all of that shit costs me a small fortune. at least 500 dollars a year for my pins syringes my 2 bins my bac water etc
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Its easy because you dont need a prescribtion
By law they have no choice selling it to you, same with syringues
Depends what state you live in.
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no, why?
i don't feel much of a need to run diuretics, i ran spiro for another reason than to dry out but also i was a bit curious what it would be like so i tried it. i'm around 11-12% bodyfat at the moment so to me it would feel like a waste to run diuretics, if i ever get down to 6% again i'll run a couple days of lasix, just for fun and to parade around while shirtless like a giant toolbag lol.
I see now in your other post you were running aldac for hair loss. To me, taking an anti androgen for an extended amount of time is not ideal for what we are doing here. I would prsonally not run a diuretic for more than 5 days.
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Depends what state you live in.
I live in Canada..here it's all legal by the law :)
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well in that case i am very jealous, because all of that shit costs me a small fortune. at least 500 dollars a year for my pins syringes my 2 bins my bac water etc
That's one small perk of my job, haha. I get all the syringes, pins, sterile water etc I need for free.
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In the spirit of pre contest prep and just getting bigger in general, I wanted to re-post this gh 15 post that I recently came across that I think is really important (in bold below). this is a tactic with the anadrol and testosterone switcharoo that I have been using lately, and although I have more of a larger fitness model body right now @ 5'11.5'' and 225 lbs @ 6%, I am preparing for my mutation, and am about to up the GH and add the top chef tren in. However, this tactic that he points out has helped me TREMENDOUSLY, and he has had many posts about it (I read the first one over a year ago):
high testosterona dose is NOT needed to fellas who are not on gh all the time and for long periods of time,, simply no need,, you will look like complee and uter balonie on 1+ gram of testosterona if not on good good dose of gh for long time! ,, blp is on gh al the time and he doesnt play with balonie gh he i shigh level comeptitor and on gh all the time,,
for you fellas who play with 4-5 iu ...even on 300 mg of testosterona even less even on 200mg of testosterona a week and higher anabolic you wil make amazing gain and get up to good 200lb mid singles which is very very good ,, in some era it was considered mr o...
now...inorder to get biger as in 225lb? 6% 5'9 5'10 and conditioned you will need in your blood more than 250mg testosterona aweek but you will also need higher doses gh ...as ismple as that ,, if you can hav ein your blood 8-15 iu of gh ...on regular basis ,, legit legit gh ...and for prime time not afetr 5 days but good 4-6 weeks thennnn you can add in higher testosterona into the 500mg 750 and go on from there to 1 gram and 1200mg
if you can put in you 30 iu gh then you wil need 2 grams testosterona afgter a while to grow to that level of mutaititon as simple as that
it all depend on how long you been on hgh and what dose of hgh you use,, fellas who use up to 8 iu legit gh can realy get by with 300-600 mg of legit testosteerona propioneta or phnyl
the secret most of us bodyubuild do ....is we change testosterona dose swith anadrola doses,, as in we use les testosterona in the 500 mg in time and put in the anadrola ....then again we are 240 not 200....if you are 200 you can do 300mg testosterona and if want to grow put in the anadrola and increae trenbolona with gh in good doses,, if you increase gh to very high dose 15 plus and do it for some time...THEN you will be benficial to add in the 1 gram + of testosterona
reason 60s 70s profesioanals didnt use high sdose testosteorna is....ALL TOGETHER NOW PUPILS...they did not have fucking gh to go into blood in consistant level and high doses...as simple as that
gh15 approved
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Also, Samson, I have decided to not use insulin yet at the advice of a pro who I am friends with in the city and trust (he knows his shit). I'm going to get through this competition, and then fuck with the insulin when I do my next bulk on test-eq-10 iu gh for 8 months.
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ive never prepped with insulin,,, id be very intrested in how you actualy diet on the stuff
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ive never been able to get bac water from the clinics?
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ive never been able to get bac water from the clinics?
You can make bacteriostatic water with distilled water and vinegar. I don't understand why anyone would buy that stuff.
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ive been on cycle for about 10 weeks, using 500mg test e, 525 tren ace, and 600 eq, this is my off season cycle has kept me very lean at aheavier bodyweight just decided to do a show and am now 10 weeks out, currently running 750mg test e, 700mg tren ace and 900mg eq, was using about 21mg a say methy-stenbolone, in about 2 weeks am adding 5-700mg masteron(what dose should i do?) switch test to prop im thinking of going lower mabey 3-500mg a week?, and keeping eq high, tren same dose 1cc ED prob bump it up closer to show, and in 2-3 weeks will start 80mg ED anavar, been doing hgh off and on because of finaicals, if i have the money will run 10iu ed till 2 weeks out deff getting kigs, and about 3 weeks out will use halotestin, i have 2.5mg stenox halo tabs staright from pharmacy.
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ive never been able to get bac water from the clinics?
You can get it for free in needle exchanges.
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are you sure, last time i asked around 6month ago, they werent allowed to supply it,,,
they will give you sterile water tho,,
but your best off with bac water if your using anything that isnt made in a real lab
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are you sure, last time i asked around 6month ago, they werent allowed to supply it,,,
they will give you sterile water tho,,
but your best off with bac water if your using anything that isnt made in a real lab
Oh, maybe it's sterile water. It only says 'for IV injection', not IM. Can I use it for IM, though?
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Oh, maybe it's sterile water. It only says 'for IV injection', not IM. Can I use it for IM, though?
I use sterile water all the time for gh. You need bacteriostatic water only if you are using small amounts and the vial will be reconstituted for morre than 3 days.
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bacteriostatic just means it slows down bacteria growth and not that it's sterile or that it will sterilize the solution of gh. so essentially, if you use up your reconstituted gh in a timeframe before bacteria can grow it's irrelevant if it's bacteriostatic or not. there's always bacteria in the vials or the solutions anyways, it's very difficult to get from 99% to 100% sterile, but it doesn't matter when it's such a small amount because the body's immune system can deal with it
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I decided I'm going to try and do a show mid april. It's a big one around here though so I need to be in shape and I'm behind right now. I'm about to drop my test dose way down and only use prop, keeping EQ in and I need to start tren asap. I handle 100mg eod awesome, so I'm wondering, since I'm behind right now should I try and hop on a big dose right away, or should I start out at say 150 eod and go up every week or every other week or something?
Oh, also running 10IU GH per day every day now five morning and five PWO. 2 kits of legit kigs left and 5 novos.
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I decided I'm going to try and do a show mid april. It's a big one around here though so I need to be in shape and I'm behind right now. I'm about to drop my test dose way down and only use prop, keeping EQ in and I need to start tren asap. I handle 100mg eod awesome, so I'm wondering, since I'm behind right now should I try and hop on a big dose right away, or should I start out at say 150 eod and go up every week or every other week or something?
Oh, also running 10IU GH per day every day now five morning and five PWO. 2 kits of legit kigs left and 5 novos.
depends how close to competition shape you think you are. I would run 100 ed regardless (ed shots seem better to me with tren ace). Are you going to run masteron?
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I was gonna add mast after I was sub 10%
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I was gonna add mast after I was sub 10%
If you are over ten percent right now, I would strongly recommend picking a show later than april.
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btw, what is the consensus on WHEN to take HGH while prepping for a contest or any sort of cutting cycle?
2x's a day? 1x a day?
before bed? first thing in the morning? PWO?
it's like, there is so much conflicting info
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btw, what is the consensus on WHEN to take HGH while prepping for a contest or any sort of cutting cycle?
2x's a day? 1x a day?
before bed? first thing in the morning? PWO?
it's like, there is so much conflicting info
For fat burning more frequent is better. SO min. two times per day, I've heard of people doing 3x also. I am just doing 5iu twice a day.
And hang clean, I'm going to prep as if I'm going to do the show in april, but if I get into march and I know i'm not going to make conditioning I will not do it. Plenty of shows coming up after this one. But I need to get after it, and having a show picked and date in mind makes it easier to focus.
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its best to set a date and try and stick with it in my experience, and do what ever it takes to get that last few lbs off, even if it means 2 cardio sessions per day
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For fat burning more frequent is better. SO min. two times per day, I've heard of people doing 3x also. I am just doing 5iu twice a day.
see, I was going with the 2x a day protocol as well
Now, its a matter of deciding between one shot in the morning and a shot in the afternoon vs. one shot in the morning vs. one shot before bed
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Bumping this thread up. Doing well so far first two weeks of prep. I'm either 12 or 14 weeks out now depending what show I may end up doing. Got down to 232lbs but back up to 234 or so after switching to novos from kigs. Overall looking pretty decent IMO for where I started. Abs and obliques and even intercostals starting to show a bit, great vascularity in arms and legs. I think I may be able to pull off a April contest after all.
Currently running 900mg a week of EQ, 100mg prop and 150mg tren ace EOD, 100mg oral winny ED and 10IU GH(novos) ED. Going to run the winny for a couple more weeks then pull it for masteron, and add it back in last couple weeks.
Getting about 250g protein per day depending on how many meals I eat in a day. Fat is low, less than 60g a day just what little bit is in chicken and fish, an oz of almonds per day, and sometimes a little pasture butter on green veggies. About 120g carbs from a cup of oatmeal in the AM and post workout. Doing 30-35min low intensity cardio ED except legs.
I know I'm going to cut the GH at 2-3 weeks out. When do you guys pull out test? It's prop so I'm thinking a week out would be good? maybe 2? What about EQ? I was going to pull the EQ same time as GH, but maybe I need to sooner? You guys inject tren and masteron all the way up to the show? What do you guys run for anti e the last week? I was thinking letro is probably the strongest yes?
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you could pull a picture or two,we are blind here ???
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OK, I didn't want to do this but fuck it. Here is two weeks ago, and today.
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cut the prop 10 days out should be good some 1 correct me if i am wrong
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Anybody else got an opinion?
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id say it depends on how your looking, if your looking great 2 weeks out,,, why would u take it out?, if i were to take it out it would be only last week for me, as if prop will still make u retain water 2 weeks later
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aromasin. 12.5 mgs a day up till the show.
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Here's a couple more pics
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10 weeks out
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Drop your kcal by 300-400 NOW and add 45 min cardio to whatever you're doing. Also, if you're not already on T3 and Ephedrine, get on soon.
Get all long ester test out. Stop orals. Go with test prop/mast/tren and gh. spend your money on gh and tren.
Switch to fish. Drink coffee. Drink tons of water/crystal light.
You're a little behind, nothing unsolveable.
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Drop your kcal by 300-400 NOW and add 45 min cardio to whatever you're doing. Also, if you're not already on T3 and Ephedrine, get on soon.
Get all long ester test out. Stop orals. Go with test prop/mast/tren and gh. spend your money on gh and tren.
Switch to fish. Drink coffee. Drink tons of water/crystal light.
You're a little behind, nothing unsolveable.
Roger that!
No t3 or ephedrine yet. Clen a viable option? Its almost easier to get than damn ephedrine now.
All fish, no chicken?
EQ ok at this point? That's the only long ester. Otherwise 300 prop and 450 tren ace. 10 iu GH. Should I bump tren to 200 eod from 150?
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Roger that!
No t3 or ephedrine yet. Clen a viable option? Its almost easier to get than damn ephedrine now.
All fish, no chicken?
EQ ok at this point? That's the only long ester. Otherwise 300 prop and 450 tren ace. 10 iu GH. Should I bump tren to 200 eod from 150?
You want me to reply here or to the PM?
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Sorry, here is fine. That way other's can see it.
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Ok.
Clen is viable, but ephedrine made a huge noticeable impact right away with water retention. Also, made cardio fucking easy. I ran clen on and off and added ephedrine at 7 weeks out.
EQ is fine. I like NPP better but if you react to tren and NPP together then you should stick w EQ.
Yes, go to 100mg ED of tren. Stick everyday if you can handle it.
chicken is ok. turkey is a little better. Fish is best. Make fish the staple and have chicken and eggs the other meals. Steak 2x a week until 6 weeks out.
Get on the T3 at 50ed and bump by 25mcg every week until at 125 and stay there.
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Oh, and cardio = stepmill as long as you can with treadmill after. Do an hour a day.
Bottom line is the water/fat below the belly buttom must = gone ASAP.
Yes, use masteron. 75-100 EOD right now is fine. Letro close to the show is potent too.
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You are the mother fucking man homie!
Thanks!
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Ok.
Clen is viable, but ephedrine made a huge noticeable impact right away with water retention. Also, made cardio fucking easy. I ran clen on and off and added ephedrine at 7 weeks out.
EQ is fine. I like NPP better but if you react to tren and NPP together then you should stick w EQ.
Yes, go to 100mg ED of tren. Stick everyday if you can handle it.
chicken is ok. turkey is a little better. Fish is best. Make fish the staple and have chicken and eggs the other meals. Steak 2x a week until 6 weeks out.
Get on the T3 at 50ed and bump by 25mcg every week until at 125 and stay there.
I do have some NPP, and and hadn't had problems with tren. Should I switch? Run both?
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I do have some NPP, and and hadn't had problems with tren. Should I switch? Run both?
Eh, this one is up to you. Some ppl say NPP sucks, others love it. I personally feel very round on it and EQ never made me as veiny and horselike as I wanted. I think great EQ is rare to come by.
If you have the funds, run them both. Why the fuck not.
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Eh, this one is up to you. Some ppl say NPP sucks, others love it. I personally feel very round on it and EQ never made me as veiny and horselike as I wanted. I think great EQ is rare to come by.
If you have the funds, run them both. Why the fuck not.
I'm with you on this one. EQ gives me great veins, but both deca and npp make me round as fuck. I'll have to see how much I have left, but I bet I could do 100 eod of NPP. When should I drop the two of them? 2 weeks out?
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in the past tren ace has been paramount to my prep. i even went as high as 1 gram every week of ace at some point last year. unfortunately, i was not running GH at the time, so this meant i was doing more cardio than anybody else. having said that, i am doing it right this time around and running gh year round as well as tren ace and masteron with some low dose prop for 12-16 weeks before my next contest. i will cut the gh 3 weeks before contest, and really blast the tren ace @ up to a gram a week again, and introduce a diuretic and obviously diet.
however we may want to listen to someone who has experience with GH, and how to use it in the lead up to contest.
what i really want is phase 4
How'd that GH protocol turn out?
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How'd that GH protocol turn out?
I know a National competitor who uses Serostim up to the day of the show because he holds almost no water on it. But if you're using chinese gh like most of us, dropping water 2 weeks out will yield a pretty significant 5-7lbs of water loss, and FAST.
It all depends on condition. If you're reallllllllllly in shape, change nothing.